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Are the End Times Here? Explaining Each Event

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AI Summary

The primary goal of eschatology is to fuel present faithfulness through the certainty of Christ's return, rather than providing a precise timeline for speculation. Most modern debates over the Rapture and the Millennium are 'third-rank' issues that should not divide the church.

In an era of global instability and sensationalist media, this video provides a framework to distinguish essential Christian hope from speculative 'hype' and historical misunderstandings.

Section summaries

0:00-1:29

Introduction and Definition

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Defines eschatology and the 'one-stop shop' goal of the video.

1:29-4:27

The Lighthouse Metaphor

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Illustrates why the topic matters emotionally, but contains less technical data.

4:27-14:50

Chapter 1: Four Dangers

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Crucial for understanding the historical and intellectual pitfalls of end-times study.

14:50-34:07

Chapter 2: Essential Doctrines

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Covers the core orthodoxy (Second Coming, Resurrection, Judgment) that applies to all Christians.

34:07-57:51

Chapter 3: Disagreements (Millennium, Rapture, Antichrist)

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Provides a high-level triage of the most controversial topics and why they shouldn't divide the church.

Key points

  • The Four Essential Doctrines — Every orthodox Christian should affirm four core events: the personal/bodily Second Coming, the final resurrection of all people, the final judgment, and the eternal final state (New Heavens and New Earth).
  • The Danger of Historical Ignorance — Many modern views, such as Dispensational Premillennialism and the 'Secret Rapture,' did not exist as developed systems until the 1830s.
  • Theological Triage — Issues like the nature of the Millennium, the timing of the Rapture, and the identity of the Antichrist are 'third-rank' issues—important for study but not grounds for breaking fellowship.
  • Second Coming vs. Ascension — While the Ascension was a local event, the Second Coming is a cosmic, universal, and bodily transformation of all creation.
Future hope fuels present faithfulness. Gavin Ortlund
Jesus is more interested in our faithfulness than in our charts. Gavin Ortlund

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0:00

Are we currently living in the end

0:02

times? A lot of Christians are wondering

0:03

about this, panic watching the news each

0:06

day, wondering what is happening to the

0:08

world. We need hope. And this area of

0:11

theology is designed to give it to us,

0:14

to put hope in our hearts every day if

0:16

we get it right. But there's a lot of

0:18

errors and misunderstandings and also

0:20

neglect in this area. So, this video is

0:22

my effort to serve the body of Christ,

0:24

offering what I hope is a one-stop shop

0:27

overview of esquetology. Esquetology is

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the branch of theology concerned with

0:32

the final events in history, especially

0:34

those things leading up to the second

0:35

coming of Christ. In one sense, we've

0:37

been in the last days or the end times

0:40

ever since Pentecost. But, as you know,

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there's a specific chain of events that

0:43

many Christians are are thoughtful about

0:45

right now. uh what is the nature of the

0:48

antichrist, the great tribulation, the

0:50

final resurrection? All of these things

0:52

we want to think through together in

0:53

this video. You'll be disappointed if

0:55

you're expecting me to nail everything

0:56

down. The goal is actually more to

0:58

triage these different issues with a

1:00

view to just dayto-day faithfulness to

1:02

Christ, but I'll do my best. And where I

1:04

don't address things, I'll highlight

1:06

other videos where I either have or

1:08

will. And if you're expecting a specific

1:11

answer in terms of the timeline, I can

1:12

disappoint you upfront and say I have no

1:14

idea how far away the second coming of

1:17

Christ is. I just think we should be

1:18

ready at any time. But there are some

1:20

things we can say about that, and I'll

1:22

return to that at the end. We'll go in

1:24

three chapters in this video. Chapter

1:27

one warns against four dangers that are

1:30

present when we're studying the end

1:32

times. Majoring on the minors, hype,

1:35

speculation, and historical ignorance.

1:37

Chapter 2 will explain four essential

1:40

doctrines that all Christians should

1:42

agree on concerning the end times. The

1:45

second coming, final resurrection, final

1:47

judgment, and the final state. And then

1:50

chapter 3 will explain four

1:52

disagreements that Christians have about

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the end times that even though they

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matter, they don't make you a faithful

1:57

Christian or not if you get them right

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or wrong. They're important, but they're

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not the difference between orthodoxy and

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heresy. That's the millennium, the

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rapture, the antichrist, and the great

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tribulation. Those final three topics

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there, I'll treat briefly, but I at

2:10

least want to kind of sketch out, you

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know, here's what this is and where you

2:14

can find more information. And I'm going

2:15

to argue those are third rank issues,

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which I'll explain more. That just means

2:19

we don't need to divide from other

2:21

Christians based on disagreements with

2:23

them. That's a huge uh part of my heart

2:26

on this topic. So, we've got four

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dangers, four doctrines, four

2:30

disagreements. Let's dive right in. This

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will be a longer video, but even as long

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as it is, I've condensed it down, boiled

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it down, trying to be helpful to you so

2:38

that my videos aren't wasting your time.

2:41

Before diving in though, one quick

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question. Why does this matter? And the

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answer to that in one sentence is that

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it's imperative for Christians to have

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an accurate view of our future hope

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because that affects how we follow Jesus

2:54

in the present. Put it like this, future

2:57

hope fuels present faithfulness. Here's

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a metaphor. Suppose you're sailing

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toward the shoreline and it's a a dark

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night and a stormy night and there's a

3:07

lighthouse that's there that is

3:09

specifically designed to guide you

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safely to the shore, but someone goes up

3:14

to the lighthouse and turns it down by

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50%. Now you're struggling to see it and

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then they turn it down to 95% or they

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turn it down by 95% so you can't see it

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at all. H this is going to cause

3:26

problems and you might crash into the

3:28

rocks. You need the lighthouse to be

3:30

bright so that you know where to sail.

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And in the same way, when we can clearly

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see what the Bible teaches about our

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future hope, it helps us follow Jesus

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faithfully in the present. And we

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desperately need that hope. We've just

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launched into 2026. If there's ever a

3:46

time where it feels like people are

3:48

aching for hope, uh certainly in my

3:50

lifetime, it's never felt quite like

3:51

this. the global instability, political

3:54

turmoil, the rise of AI, so much else

3:57

leaves people like they're sailing in

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the dark and they don't have a

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lighthouse to guide them. The gospel

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speaks to that. Part of the gospel is

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these future events. It gives us the

4:07

best possible hope. Uh the gospel is

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that lighthouse. And so we want to turn

4:12

the light up and get biblical clarity so

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that if you're not a Christian watching

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this, you might think by the end of this

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video, I wish that were true. And if you

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do know Jesus, your heart would be

4:22

filled with peace and joy and abounding

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in hope as Paul says in Romans 15:13. So

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may that be in your heart as we go.

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Chapter one, four dangers in studying

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the end times. And let's start with

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majoring on the minors. I've kind of

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already mentioned this already. This is

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a huge temptation to put the primary

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focus both emotionally and or

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intellectually

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on the secondary and tertiary aspects of

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the end times, especially the chronology

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of events leading up to the second

4:56

coming of Christ where there's areas of

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disagreement among godly Christians.

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We're going to cover these things in

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chapter 3. Now, these doctrines are

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still important. We're not minimizing

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them, but they are not the main object

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of Christian hope that is meant to

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sustain us day by day. We should study

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them. We should debate them. But there's

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a real danger of becoming more

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emotionally preoccupied by what you see

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on the right side of the screen than

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what you can see on the left side of the

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screen. What the New Testament

5:25

emphasizes as our central hope is that

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Jesus will come again. The dead will be

5:30

raised. There will be final judgment day

5:32

and then we will enter into the final

5:34

state which includes what are sometimes

5:36

called heaven and hell. And we'll

5:38

explore those termin that terminology a

5:40

little bit when we get there. Those four

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events I suggest to you form the

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skeletal backbone of Christian

5:48

esquetology.

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Sometimes Christians just assume that

5:53

and then we put all the focus on these

5:54

other little details, the things on the

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on the right side of the screen. Uh and

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this to me is like when my kids focus

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all on eating snacks uh rather than

6:03

eating meals, which is not healthy, but

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sometimes we could be tempted to do

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that. And the results that I see from

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this danger is two things. First,

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unnecessary division. Many Christians

6:13

separate over and require agreement on

6:17

these tertiary doctrines, placing them,

6:20

for example, in a a local church's

6:21

statement of faith or a Christian

6:23

institutions statement of fa faith. So

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you have to be you have to affirm this

6:27

to be a member there. I'm going to argue

6:29

in chapter 3 that we can just allow for

6:32

Christians to have to follow their

6:34

conscience on those kinds of issues that

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I'll cover there. The second danger

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though, the second consequence when we

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major on the minors is we have a reduced

6:42

hope. We turn down the brightness of the

6:45

lighthouse because the primary object of

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our hope is Jesus himself will return.

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And this is what is so emphasized so

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pervasively all throughout the New

6:56

Testament. I'll just put up one passage

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as an example of this from Hebrews 9:28.

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And we don't just want to affirm what

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the Bible affirms. We want to emphasize

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what the Bible emphasizes. And that

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means we got to be so clear on the

7:11

primary issues so we don't turn down the

7:12

lighthouse. A second danger is hype.

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Sometimes what generates excitement in

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the end times is not the grounded hope

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of scripture, but hype and

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sensationalism. And there's kind of a

7:24

wow factor involved in the thrill of

7:27

decoding headlines and the sense of

7:30

insider knowledge and a feeling of

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urgency. You know, each day the

7:34

newspaper has new stories and it feels

7:37

exciting to try to put it all together.

7:38

And I guess I don't want to push against

7:40

that desire in your heart too much. That

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desire for your life to matter within a

7:45

larger meaningful context is good, but

7:48

the hype that comes gives you an

7:51

adrenaline rush rather than a really

7:53

healthy sustaining faith. It creates

7:56

nerves. Uh it excites you, but it

7:59

doesn't really anchor your soul. And so

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whatever is legitimate about that

8:04

longing in our hearts for a sense of the

8:06

unfolding drama of history should be

8:09

fulfilled by the true hope of the

8:10

gospel. The gospel speaks to that. The

8:12

gospel is exciting. Resurrection is

8:14

exciting. The renewal of all things is

8:16

exciting. So we want to locate our

8:18

excitement in Jesus and major on the

8:21

majors. And a good test for whether

8:23

we're being drawn into an unhealthy hype

8:25

here can be, is our view of the end

8:27

times leading to godliness? Is it

8:30

causing me to be faithful? Is it causing

8:32

me to put sin to death? Is it causing me

8:34

to persevere in suffering and to abound

8:36

in the fruits of the spirit and so

8:37

forth? It should. Just think about it.

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You know, one day Jesus will return and

8:44

all glory will go to the one to whom it

8:47

should go. Now, that's the most painful

8:49

thing about the world right now. It's

8:51

not that uh we still suffer, though that

8:53

is terrible and that would be great to

8:55

be over with that. that glory isn't

8:57

given to Jesus as it ought to be. And so

9:00

this should mobilize the feeling in our

9:02

heart of I want to be faithful to him

9:04

now because he is coming then. I think a

9:06

good prayer can come from 1 John 3:3 to

9:09

simply say Lord purify my heart now

9:13

because I'm going to see you. Here's a

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third danger and that's speculation.

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Throughout church history, I'm sure

9:20

you're aware of this. Hopefully you are

9:21

aware of this. There have been these

9:24

unfortunate episodes where Christians

9:25

make predictions about the second

9:27

coming. And this has been very

9:30

unfortunate with very disillusioning

9:32

consequences. Uh here's a famous

9:34

example. In the 1840s, William Miller

9:36

predicted that the second coming of

9:38

Christ was imminent. And so you can see

9:41

him on the screen here along with a

9:43

prophetic chart of 1843.

9:46

The initial predicted date was between

9:48

March 21st, 1843 and March 21st, 1844.

9:53

Then it was adjusted to October 22nd,

9:55

1844. And when it didn't happen, it it

9:58

damaged a lot of people. In the New

10:01

Testament, Jesus explicitly warns

10:04

against overconfidence in identifying

10:07

the timing of the second coming. Matthew

10:10

24, he even says, "Nobody knows, not

10:12

even the angels, nor the Son." Just

10:14

think about that. Even the angels don't

10:17

know exactly when it's going to be. I

10:19

never never thought about that for some

10:20

reason about the angels. You know,

10:22

they're they're they're waiting too. Um

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in Acts 1:7, Jesus says, "It's not for

10:28

you to know the times or seasons that

10:31

the father has fixed by his own

10:33

authority." So, this is there's a

10:36

tension here because on the one hand, we

10:38

should be ready at all times. On the

10:39

other hand, we want to be discerning

10:41

about the times. But the simple fact is

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we are not given a countdown clock. And

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the focus of the Bible is not on

10:48

satisfying our curiosities but on

10:50

shaping our character. Jesus is more

10:53

interested in our faithfulness than in

10:54

our charts. We should have the heart cry

10:57

of come soon and I'm ready at any time.

10:59

But we don't know need to know the exact

11:01

timing. And so the excitement in our

11:03

hearts shouldn't be rooted in the

11:05

details or timing but in its certainty

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and in what it is. What should thrill us

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is what's going to happen, not knowing

11:15

when. Now, if someone is tempted toward

11:18

speculation here, I don't want to put

11:20

too much shame on that. I would just

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invite us to turn our prayers from

11:24

Jesus, when are you coming to Jesus, let

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me be ready at any moment. And and I

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also think the prayer right with that

11:31

one can be, "Lord Jesus, come soon."

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What a wonderful prayer. I mean, you

11:34

should pray that prayer every day. Let

11:35

that be just part of your regular prayer

11:37

life. If you struggle with prayer, this

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is a great thing to come back to again

11:40

and again. Come soon. A fourth danger is

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historical ignorance. Let me say this

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one with all the love of my heart. As

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one who aspires to be a servant of

11:51

evangelicalism, and I defend

11:53

evangelicalism from criticisms, but it's

11:56

time for some straight talk here on this

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one. What often happens in Christian

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circles today, especially evangelical

12:03

ones, is not just that we teach views of

12:06

the end times that were unpopular in

12:08

church history, but that we require

12:11

views of the end times that did not

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exist anywhere for the majority of

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church history. Let me say that again.

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We're we're not just affirming what is

12:20

unpopular. We're requiring what was

12:23

non-existent.

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Uh, for example, some surveys estimate

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that a majority of American evangelicals

12:30

hold to dispensational premillennialism.

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I will say more about that view later.

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For now, I'm establishing just the

12:36

principle. So, don't worry about those

12:37

big words. But this view did not exist

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as a developed system before the 1830s.

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I'll explain that more in chapter 3. So,

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you know, here's the thing. It's one

12:49

thing if you say we need to make a

12:52

change and uh as the church we we we

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need to make a course correction.

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Sometimes that is necessary especially

12:59

when the reform or change you are

13:01

calling for has precedent in prior

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church history. It's another thing to

13:06

make the change without even realizing

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that that's what you're doing and when

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there is zero precedent for it. If

13:11

you're walking through the woods and you

13:13

decide to stray off the path a little

13:14

bit for a principled reason, that's one

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thing. But if you stray off the path and

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you don't even realize you've strayed

13:20

off the path, that's another. And so as

13:22

one who aspires to literally spend my

13:24

life serving evangelical Christianity, I

13:27

need to say that a huge weakness of

13:29

modern evangelicalism is our

13:32

underdeveloped awareness of church

13:34

history. I feel this personally by the

13:36

way as an academic who works in

13:38

historical theology and loves reading

13:40

like Anselm and so forth and then I live

13:42

and pastor in evangelical contexts. I

13:45

often feel the effects of this tension.

13:47

People will for example accuse me of

13:49

liberalism on certain views like

13:51

creation or the flood or even my

13:52

political posture and but my views on

13:56

those things are informed by historic

13:58

Christian orthodoxy. And when people

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call these things liberal, I'm afraid

14:03

they're often simply unaware that these

14:05

views are widely represented among

14:07

faithful Christians of the past,

14:08

including fundamentalists of previous

14:11

centuries. If your if if where you set

14:14

the bandwidth entails that Jay Gresian

14:17

man and BB Warfield and Charles Spurgeon

14:19

and countless others are all liberals,

14:22

you at least need to give an argument

14:23

for that view. Otherwise, it's coming

14:25

across as a judgment of ignorance. And I

14:28

don't say that to jab at anyone or out

14:31

of defensiveness. Truly, I think I I say

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that because I think it needs to be said

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because I want to one of the things I

14:36

want to do is serve evangelicalism by

14:38

doing a lot of retrieval work and that

14:40

leads to the triage work. I just think

14:42

we have a huge issue here and uh some of

14:44

you who watch my channels are very

14:46

sympathetic to this already. There's

14:48

whole swaths of evangelicalism that I

14:51

think are still here where we need more

14:54

awareness and I think we need that on

14:56

our views of the end times. So, as we

14:59

dive into this now, I'm going to

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encourage us to consider the insights of

15:03

church history, not because it is

15:05

infallible, but because it is so

15:07

tremendously useful and necessary and

15:10

helpful, particularly as we interpret

15:12

the scripture, which is our chief

15:14

authority. So, I [snorts] hope you hear

15:15

that from my heart and where I'm coming

15:16

from on that. We've got some

15:18

eccentricities in this area. Let's work

15:20

through them. Chapter two, essential

15:23

doctrines. And let's start here with the

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second coming which is the central

15:28

organizing climactic end times event.

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And I want to say four things about it.

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First, the second coming is personal.

15:38

Jesus himself will return. This will not

15:42

be an angel on Jesus's behalf. Uh nor is

15:46

the second coming a metaphor for the

15:48

kingdom of Jesus being established in

15:50

some way. Rather, scripture emphasizes a

15:54

continuity of identity between the first

15:56

and second coming. And think about like

15:59

this. When Jesus ascended into heaven in

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Acts chapter 1, the angels say, "This

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Jesus who was taken up will come in the

16:08

same way." And so the pas, this is a

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simple point, but it actually is is

16:12

vital pastorally, and it can help ward

16:15

away. I'm trying to be I'm I'm thinking

16:17

very pastorally throughout this video.

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We want to have lots of prayers

16:20

interlaced with everything. Um, some

16:22

Christians I've discovered are scared of

16:24

the end times. They are scared of the

16:25

second coming. Um, and if you experience

16:28

that, one way to help that, push against

16:30

that, is to think of the absolute center

16:34

of esquetology is not a series of

16:36

events, but a person. This is Jesus, the

16:40

one who died for us, the one who loves

16:42

us, the one to whom we can fully yield

16:44

our souls and be vulnerable and worship

16:46

and love. He's coming. Second, the

16:50

second coming is bodily. Jesus returns

16:53

in his glorified resurrected human body.

16:57

He will not return in an invisible

17:00

manner. It will not be in a disembodied

17:02

spirit. Therefore, this event will be

17:04

visible. And here again, we can go back

17:06

to Acts 1:11. This simple verse helps us

17:09

a lot. And in particular, I've

17:10

emboldened the words this time, in the

17:13

same way. Now, this is tricky. This does

17:16

not mean that the ascension of Christ in

17:18

Acts one and the second coming are

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identical in every respect as though you

17:23

know it's the same thing but in one he's

17:25

going up and the other he's coming down.

17:28

The ascension was a local event. So

17:30

people in Brazil did not witness the

17:32

ascension. And I have a video on the

17:34

ascension for what a kind of a unique

17:35

event that is and how instructive it is

17:37

to think about that. The second coming

17:40

is a cosmic universal event. You know, I

17:44

actually thought about this more clearly

17:46

today in preparing this video for you

17:47

all. The second coming is associated

17:50

with this broader transformation of all

17:53

creation. So second Peter 3:10 says the

17:55

heavens are going to pass away. Heavenly

17:57

bodies will be dissolved at the second

17:59

coming. However you interpret that, it's

18:01

clear that the scope of the second

18:04

coming is different from the ascension.

18:07

And the words in the same way in Acts

18:09

1:11 are talking about its mode. Both

18:13

events are bodily. Okay? So the all and

18:17

there's probably more we could say about

18:18

that too, but what I'm just trying to

18:20

emphasize right now is the second coming

18:21

is not a spiritual event. Sometimes we

18:23

say, you know, Jesus came into my life

18:25

in 1994 or whenever or Jesus showed up

18:28

at church today. And we're just talking

18:30

about where he's at work, not where he's

18:32

bodily present. There are [snorts] even

18:34

in the New Testament judgment comeings

18:36

of Christ threatened to several of the

18:39

churches in Revelation 2 and 3. These

18:41

are distinct from the second coming. For

18:43

example, to the church in Pergamum,

18:45

Christ says, "I will come to you and

18:47

wage war with the sword of my mouth if

18:49

you don't repent." So that's a

18:51

particular coming. We sometimes speak of

18:53

these as judgment comeings. We sometimes

18:55

say these are typological anticipations

18:58

of the second coming, but the second

19:01

coming is going to be a visible bodily

19:04

event. unlike these more local

19:06

activities of Christ that can be spoken

19:08

of as a coming and that anticipate the

19:09

second coming but they're not the second

19:11

coming. So what we were trying to I'm

19:14

I'm actually think it's important to

19:15

belabor this point pastorally because we

19:17

want to push against any sort of gnostic

19:19

idea. Um we are not a we are not

19:22

awaiting being whisked away from

19:25

physical material creation. Rather when

19:28

Jesus returns in his resurrected flesh

19:31

he will renew all of creation. And I say

19:33

more in this video about that. It's a

19:35

video about heaven that I worked pretty

19:36

hard on back in the day a couple years

19:38

ago. Third, the second coming will be

19:42

sudden. Okay, here we can go back to

19:44

second Peter 3 and the language I've

19:46

emboldened like a thief. This phrase

19:49

like a thief is used throughout the New

19:51

Testament for Christ's second coming.

19:53

And it conveys that the second coming

19:54

will be a sudden and unpredictable

19:57

event. Just like a thief breaking into

19:59

your house, it's not broadcast in

20:01

advance such that you can prepare for

20:03

it. So therefore, you have to be ready

20:05

at any time. The second coming of Christ

20:08

is not a gradual unfolding process. It

20:11

is a sudden event rupturing history

20:14

unveiling Jesus suddenly in his true

20:16

glory. However, these three

20:18

characteristics are not enough to really

20:20

capture the full meaning of the second

20:22

coming. Because Jesus can conceivably

20:25

appear personally, bodily, and suddenly

20:28

in ways that aren't the second coming.

20:30

Perhaps this is what happens with the

20:32

Apostle Paul on the Damascus road where

20:34

he says, "I I saw Jesus." And Jesus is

20:38

omnipotent. He can show up anytime he

20:39

wants in a bodily way. So, but that

20:41

wouldn't be the second coming. Fourth,

20:44

the second coming is consummating. This

20:46

is the end of human history. This is the

20:50

climactic undeniable

20:53

summation of all God's prior work. And

20:56

this is really the key point because

20:57

this is why it is our hope. And to

20:59

develop this, we can just appreciate how

21:02

different the first and second

21:04

comingings of Christ are. The first

21:06

coming of Christ was in humility to

21:08

bring salvation. The second coming of

21:10

Christ will not be in humility. It will

21:12

be in power and glory and it will bring

21:15

that work of salvation to its

21:16

consummation. And therefore it is

21:19

fittingly described as for the purpose

21:21

of judgment. For example, in the

21:23

apostles creed we say that he will come

21:25

to judge come to judge the living and

21:29

the dead. And in the nyine creed I

21:31

underlined this phrase come again in

21:34

glory to judge the living and the dead.

21:37

That little phrase in glory

21:38

distinguishes the second advent from the

21:40

first. Uh the first advent in the nyine

21:43

creed is spoken of as a descent. He came

21:45

down from heaven. But the second is not.

21:48

The second is spoken of as in glory. So

21:51

we've got two different comeings. The

21:53

first is humble in nature and saving in

21:55

purpose. The second is glorious in

21:57

nature and judging in purpose. These are

22:00

not at cross purposes or in competition.

22:03

Both advents of Christ serve the same

22:06

ends but they play different roles and

22:09

they are different in their nature. So

22:11

we want to say the second coming is the

22:12

consummation of all of God's purposes

22:15

and that is why it is our hope. Paul can

22:18

even refer to this event as simply our

22:21

blessed hope. I hope that feeling of

22:24

hope settles in your heart as we're

22:25

talking about this. Um some Christians

22:28

feel anxious about these things. I hope

22:30

that the second coming of Christ would

22:32

instead make you feel steady and happy.

22:35

Uh think of uh the way you feel when the

22:38

sun is starting to rise after a long

22:40

cold night and it's this feeling of

22:42

relief like at last the morning is here.

22:45

The New Testament's emotional register

22:47

for the second coming is not alarm but

22:50

it's relief for the people of God. I'm

22:53

thinking right now for faithful

22:54

Christians waiting for it. It's

22:56

vindication, homecoming, total joy.

23:00

Think about this. You will finally feel

23:02

seen. You will finally feel normal. you

23:05

will finally feel at home. Think of a

23:07

child who is waiting for a parent who's

23:09

been delayed, okay? And they're anxious.

23:12

I remember one time, I'll see if I can

23:14

find this picture and put it up on the

23:15

screen. I was coming back to Ohigh where

23:17

we lived for many years, beautiful spot

23:18

in California. Loved our time there. And

23:20

I had been gone for a long time, and I

23:22

got home. My kids were waiting for me on

23:24

the front porch, and they ran down to

23:26

the car, and we just hugged in the

23:27

street for like 30 seconds. I just could

23:30

not believe, you know, think of the joy

23:32

of that moment. You're waiting for dad

23:34

to get home and there he is. Those are

23:36

the emotions that we should have in our

23:38

hearts for the second coming. If you're

23:40

walking with Jesus now, that is what you

23:42

will feel when he shows up. Now, if you

23:45

are not a Christian, you've not

23:46

surrendered your life to Christ, that

23:47

will not be what the second coming is

23:49

like. That is why it is so important to

23:52

surrender our lives to Christ now before

23:55

that time. Now the second coming of qu

23:58

Christ is intertwined with several other

24:01

events that it initiates.

24:04

Let me more briefly describe these

24:06

resurrection, judgment, final state.

24:10

First, the final resurrection. This is

24:11

the second of these four essential

24:13

doctrines. We're just trying to give a

24:15

brief overview just for people to have a

24:16

sense of okay, this is basically what

24:18

Christian esquetology is. And this is

24:21

actually so important. And actually, do

24:22

Christians miss out on this all the time

24:24

and and assume this, neglect this, fail

24:26

to appreciate this? I think we do.

24:28

Sometimes we think of uh our our hope in

24:32

escapist terms. That is not our hope.

24:35

The resurrection of the body entails so

24:37

much for how we anticipate our future

24:40

hope of being with Jesus. There's way

24:42

too much gnosticism in Christian thought

24:44

today. Just as the second coming of

24:47

Christ will be bodily, so our experience

24:50

of the last things that follow it will

24:53

also be a bodily one. In the New

24:55

Testament, this event seems to be

24:58

portrayed as occasioned by the second

25:01

coming of Christ. For as in Adam all

25:04

die, so also in Christ shall all be made

25:07

alive, but each in his own order, Christ

25:09

the first fruits. then at his coming

25:14

those who belong to Christ. That's a

25:16

pivotal text. This in in my mind this

25:20

fits better with a millennial and

25:22

postmillennial views which I will define

25:25

in chapter 3 because they don't split up

25:27

the second coming and the final

25:29

resurrection. And I know there are

25:31

responses that premillennialists can

25:33

give. But at least this puts the burden

25:34

of proof to explain something like this.

25:36

How do you get a huge gap between these

25:38

two events?

25:40

That's not settling that. I'm flagging

25:41

that. Okay. Pop quiz. Are only

25:44

Christians resurrected or is everyone

25:46

resurrected? And the answer is final

25:49

resurrection is for absolutely every

25:51

human being without exception. When Paul

25:54

is on trial in the book of Acts, he

25:56

speaks of the resurrection of both the

25:58

just and the unjust. And Jesus himself

26:01

said that some will come out of their

26:03

tombs for life and others will come out

26:06

of their tombs for judgment. So this

26:09

closely links here final resurrection

26:11

and final judgment. The final

26:13

resurrection is unto the final judgment

26:16

or what we sometimes call judgment day.

26:20

This is where God publicly and

26:22

decisively sets the world right. Think

26:26

of the the disharmony of a fallen world

26:29

finally snapping back into harmony,

26:32

equilibrium restored. Every person will

26:35

stand before Christ and full justice

26:39

will be done. Evils will be exposed that

26:42

were gotten away with. Wrongs will be

26:45

addressed. Um justice will be meated

26:48

out. Truth will be revealed. Goodness

26:51

will be recompensed. Every score will be

26:54

settled. This is a good thing. Sometimes

26:55

we think of judgment day only in somber

26:57

terms as though something we're fearful

26:59

of. Now we should have a sense of the

27:01

fear of the Lord. But for those of us in

27:03

Christ, we can also face that day with

27:05

confidence, a fear and trembling kind of

27:07

confidence, but a confidence knowing our

27:09

our righteousness before God is not

27:12

based upon anything inside of me. It's

27:14

based on the perfect external alien

27:16

righteousness of Christ. And therefore,

27:18

I I don't need to fear damnation.

27:21

Nonetheless, uh we should take this into

27:23

our hearts that this is this is a a

27:25

serious moment. And but I just I'm what

27:28

I'm also emphasizing right now though is

27:29

belief in judgment day is incredibly

27:32

stabilizing. It it helps you practice

27:34

turning the other cheek because you know

27:36

God is going to deal with everything and

27:38

and judgment day will be totally fair.

27:42

God is the most just person and the the

27:45

perfect judge.

27:47

Now as we say for those in Christ, you

27:49

don't need to live in fear of

27:50

condemnation of this event because you

27:52

are wrapped in his righteous robes as

27:54

you trust in him. However, and this is a

27:56

point we often overlook, we will still

27:58

be examined on judgment day on the basis

28:01

of our lives. Paul is speaking to

28:03

Christians as a Christian when he writes

28:05

in 2 Corinthians 5:10, we will all

28:07

appear before the judgment seat of

28:09

Christ. And in Romans 14:12, each of us

28:12

will give an account of himself to God.

28:14

Think about this verse. You're going to

28:16

stand just, you know, again, this is why

28:17

the whole thing we're saying of we don't

28:19

want to assume these essentials. Future

28:22

hope fuels present faithfulness. Just

28:24

think about this. We sometimes forget.

28:27

You're going to stand before Christ and

28:29

you're going to say to him, "Here's how

28:30

I spent 2026.

28:33

Here's what my social media was feed.

28:35

I'm giving you an account of the life

28:36

that you gave me as my perfect judge and

28:38

I'm explaining it to you. Here's how I

28:41

treated my family. Here's how I endured

28:43

that slander." And so on and so forth.

28:46

Think about the reward of pleasing

28:49

Christ. You see how this will stabilize

28:51

you and help you? Do you see the the

28:54

tragedy of turning down the lighthouse?

28:56

We want this every day to be aiming

28:59

toward that good and well done, good and

29:01

faithful servant. Put it like this. If

29:03

you've trusted in Jesus, your sins are

29:05

totally forgiven through the cross. That

29:07

that happened at the first advent. So

29:09

now we want to live to please the one

29:12

who did that. So we will receive the

29:14

crown of righteousness on that day. So

29:17

we will be able to give an account of a

29:18

fruitful life.

29:21

Fourthly, then consequent upon final

29:24

resurrection and final judgment will be

29:25

the final state. This is that

29:27

everlasting outcome of God's redemptive

29:30

work, eternal life with God for the

29:32

redeemed and eternal separation from God

29:35

from those who reject him and judgment.

29:38

Sometimes we call eternal life heaven,

29:41

but sometimes we use that term heaven

29:43

more specifically for the intermediate

29:45

state. This is where deceased believers

29:48

uh now currently reign with Christ

29:52

awaiting their resurrection body.

29:54

Sometimes I like to call the final state

29:56

for the righteous the new heavens and

29:58

the new earth following the language of

30:00

Revelation 21 which is obviously echoing

30:02

Genesis 1. H because scripture presents

30:05

this not as floating in the clouds. And

30:07

I say this so much because I think

30:09

Christians we have a skewed

30:11

understanding here.

30:13

Heaven will be this world renewed,

30:16

resurrected, and organized around the

30:18

glory of God. And there is so much more

30:21

to say about that. See my video on

30:22

heaven for that for all the pastoral

30:25

implications of that. Now, regarding the

30:27

nature of hell, I'm not going to say a

30:29

lot about that here because I just did a

30:30

great discussion on that. Uh Kirk

30:32

Cameron hosted four of us, two eternal

30:35

conscious torment proponents, myself and

30:38

Paul Copan, and then Dan Patterson and

30:40

Chris Day defending annihilationism. So,

30:42

I'm just going to direct you to that

30:43

video. I thought it went really well.

30:45

Um, thanks for those of you who prayed

30:46

for me. I thought it was a really

30:47

productive discussion. It was very

30:49

loving, but we also kind of worked

30:50

through differences and so forth. And I

30:52

do want to clarify that I think

30:53

Christians have to believe in hell. But

30:55

I think that disagreement, important as

30:57

it is, is not a first rank doctrine.

31:00

There are faithful Christians on both

31:01

sides of that debate. So, when I'm

31:02

canvasing these first rank issues, then

31:05

the exact nature of something like that,

31:08

how do you understand what it means to

31:09

be everlastingly punished? And these

31:11

kinds of questions which are more

31:13

complicated than some people realize,

31:14

those are not necessarily first rank.

31:16

And I'll just encourage you to watch

31:18

that video when it comes out if you're

31:20

curious more on that topic of the nature

31:22

of hell. Okay. Now, these four points

31:24

are the core of Christian future hope.

31:26

This is what you have to have. There are

31:28

people who reject some or all of these

31:31

points. For example, full predtoists

31:34

believe that all escatological events

31:37

were fulfilled in the first century uh

31:39

or some other time in the past. And they

31:42

think we're now living in the new

31:43

heavens and the new earth. Jesus's

31:45

second coming was not a bodily and

31:47

visible return at the end of history.

31:50

It's some kind of spiritual return. And

31:53

basically um the final resurrection has

31:56

already happened. It was a spiritual

31:58

resurrection. And I have a full video

31:59

arguing against this view. Let me just

32:02

recap why summing up why full predtoism

32:06

has been viewed by Christians throughout

32:08

church history as heretical and that is

32:11

uh the way Paul classifies the teaching

32:13

of Himaeus and Felitus in 2 Timothy 2

32:16

saying they swerve from the truth

32:17

upsetting the faith of some by denying

32:20

by saying the resurrection already

32:21

happened. And then you have in 1

32:23

Corinthians 15, Paul teaches that

32:26

denying the bodily resurrection means

32:29

your faith is futile and you're still in

32:31

your sins. Uh this is a first rank

32:33

issue. It's not unkind to identify first

32:36

rank issues and use the word heresy when

32:38

it's appropriate. This is why

32:40

theological triage is so valuable. It

32:42

protects the seriousness of that term by

32:45

not diluting it by using it for too many

32:47

things. Some things are heresy because

32:50

there's boundaries to Christianity and

32:52

it's not unloving to recognize those.

32:54

Christianity is not a shape-shifting

32:56

religion. There are edges and you have

32:59

to be able to tell where those edges

33:00

are. If you say these four events have

33:03

already happened, you can't even

33:05

experience the same feelings of hope and

33:06

joy when you read the last battle by CS

33:09

Lewis, the final of the Chronicles of

33:11

Narnia. You can't even affirm the

33:12

Apostles Creed. And as we say, it goes

33:15

against the New Testament. So we want to

33:17

coalesce around and emphasize and orient

33:20

our hearts toward these four cardinal

33:24

Christian doctrines of the end times.

33:26

That is our primary hope. Let's

33:28

emphasize that. Chapter 3. Let's also

33:32

talk about some of the disagreements and

33:34

just canvas these in what follows. My

33:36

goal is not an exhaustive treatment by

33:38

any stretch. a brief overview and

33:41

basically just to provide an outline of

33:44

how you might think about these things.

33:46

Uh I'm a partial predtoist and I have a

33:48

video explaining that. So that full

33:51

disclosure lets you know a little bit

33:52

about how I approach some of these

33:54

topics. And I'm going to follow up if if

33:56

you're interested in that, if you really

33:57

want a case for one view versus another

34:00

on these topics. I'm going to have a

34:02

video, Lord willing, coming out one week

34:04

from the day this video is released

34:06

called the book of Revelation explaining

34:08

every chapter. That's an ambitious video

34:10

title, right? I'll do my best to lay it

34:13

out. Uh uh again even that won't be

34:15

exhaustive but just giving a a sense of

34:17

what these different things are like the

34:19

mark of the beast in revelation 13

34:20

fascinating everyone's curious about

34:22

this some people it almost feels like

34:24

it's like they've seen so much over

34:25

speculation they don't even want to talk

34:27

about those things and I don't want to

34:28

do that either I think that's wrong this

34:30

is in God's word we want to be able to

34:32

talk about these things um so that is

34:34

the video where I'll drill down and give

34:36

you my own perspective if you want my

34:38

argument see that here I want to lay out

34:41

the options and then I want to give an

34:43

argument that Christians can disagree

34:46

about these four topics without

34:48

questioning each other's integrity,

34:50

commitment to scripture, without

34:52

separating at the level of church

34:53

membership, and so forth. Let's work

34:55

through this and I'll make my case.

34:56

First, let's talk about the millennium.

34:58

The millennium refers to the

35:00

thousand-year golden era prophesied by

35:03

John in Revelation 21-6 during which

35:07

Satan is bound. Now, how we interpret

35:11

that and in particular how we situate it

35:14

in relation to the second coming and

35:16

other esqueological events has been a

35:19

hugely divisive issue especially in

35:21

recent church history and especially

35:24

among evangelicals. We can I'm going to

35:26

try to break things down really simply.

35:28

I love to try to popularize and make

35:30

things clear. So, the basic issue can be

35:33

said very simply. Postmillennialists

35:36

in yellow on the screen believe that

35:38

Christ returns after the millennium,

35:41

hence postmillennialist.

35:44

And they see the there's differences

35:46

from one kind of postmillennialist to

35:48

another. But they often see they're

35:49

often very optimistic about human

35:51

history. And there's they're

35:51

anticipating this kind of golden age

35:53

where the world is heavily Christianized

35:56

towards the end of church history.

35:58

[snorts] Premillennialists,

36:00

hence the name, believe Christ comes

36:02

before the millennium. And you've got

36:04

lots of different species of this view,

36:06

often distinguished by uh their by

36:09

differences on the timing of the great

36:11

tribulation and the rapture. You can see

36:14

two options here in in blue and red on

36:16

the screen. And the big divide here is

36:19

between historic premillennialism and

36:21

dispensational premillennialism. More on

36:24

those to come. And then amillennialists

36:26

in green do not think of the millennium

36:29

as a literal thousand years. That's true

36:32

sometimes for the post mills too, but

36:34

rather amalillennialists view it as

36:36

Christ's reign in heaven with his saints

36:40

during the time between the two comeings

36:42

as the gospel is advancing on earth. And

36:44

the binding of Satan, they say, but they

36:47

they say, "Look, thrones are always

36:48

heavenly." In Revelation, the binding of

36:50

Satan is for the specific purpose of not

36:52

deceiving the nations. And that's what's

36:54

happening in this time period. The

36:55

gospel is going out throughout all the

36:57

world. Now, I I'm a nonmillennialist.

37:00

I'm not going to argue for that here.

37:02

I'll do that in another context. I've

37:03

done that in my previous video on

37:05

esquetology too. But here's what is to

37:08

observe is how divisive this has been.

37:10

Uh so much so much more so uh in recent

37:14

times than in previous times in church

37:17

history.

37:19

What has happened is during the

37:21

emergence of evangelicalism, you have

37:24

especially in the 20th century, so like

37:25

the neoeangelical movement coming out of

37:27

fundamentalism, you have

37:29

premillennialism

37:31

coming alongside biblical inherency as

37:34

an identity issue to kind of distinguish

37:37

the faithful Christians from the

37:39

liberals. And though there's debates

37:41

about the millennium earlier in church

37:42

history, it doesn't play out like that

37:44

earlier in church history for the most

37:46

part. And I remember I you see this I

37:49

mean we forget the 20th century already.

37:51

We it's like ancient history for us. But

37:53

if you go back I remember reading the

37:54

autobiography of Carl Henry for example

37:57

a famous evangelical leader. He talks

37:59

about how many occasions this was a

38:01

point of division uh among the early

38:04

evangelicals and among between the

38:06

evangelicals and fundamentalists. In

38:08

George Marsden's book, Reforming

38:10

Fundamentalism, fascinating book about

38:12

the early years of Fuller Theological

38:14

Seminary, he talks about how that

38:16

institution was thoroughly premill. It's

38:19

in their statement of faith. And then

38:21

it's the faculty is is divided over a

38:25

pre-tribulational versus a

38:27

post-tribulational view of the rapture,

38:29

which I'm explaining next. And Marston

38:31

talks about this as, you know, a point

38:33

of contention. Um, when George Lad

38:36

published a book called The Blessed Hope

38:38

in 1956, arguing for historic premill,

38:43

it was hugely controversial. So, you can

38:45

imagine how controversial a mill or

38:46

postmail would have been. Here's a funny

38:49

anecdote that David Roach notes that

38:52

gives you a flavor of how things were

38:53

playing out in the mid- 20th century, at

38:54

least in the United States and a few

38:56

other places. Quote, "In the mid- 20th

38:58

century, Memphis pastor R.G. Lee quipped

39:00

that he wouldn't even say ah at the

39:03

dentist, a reference to the strong

39:05

aversion he and other theological

39:07

conservatives in the Southern Baptist

39:08

Convention felt toward a millennialism.

39:12

Now, if you read this book or others

39:14

like it, you find similar things like

39:15

this. They finished the full book going

39:18

through four different views. These are

39:19

great books to read to learn the

39:20

different arguments for each side. And

39:21

the editor's closing comment is that

39:24

this issue is one of the most divisive

39:26

elements in recent Christian history.

39:28

So, I think that the role that the

39:30

millennium has played in dividing

39:32

evangelicals is unfortunate. I think

39:34

it's historically eccentric. I think

39:35

it's one of those ways we're departing

39:37

from the path without really fully

39:39

realizing it. And so, I hope you'll

39:41

consider this case. Three reasons why I

39:44

think we should not divide over the

39:46

millennium in any context. A biblical

39:49

argument, a practical argument, and a

39:51

historical argument. Again, these are

39:52

not arguments for my view, which is a

39:54

mill. These are arguments why we

39:57

shouldn't divide over this. And if

39:59

you're not a millil I hope you'll still

40:00

be able to watch my YouTube channel and

40:02

benefit and we can just keep hanging

40:04

together as the body of Christ serving

40:06

the same larger end. We're on the same

40:08

team here. This this issue doesn't need

40:10

to tear us apart. First, a biblical

40:12

argument. The millennium is only

40:14

explicitly taught in one passage of the

40:16

New Testament. A notoriously difficult

40:19

passage coming in perhaps the most

40:21

difficult book in the New Testament. Now

40:23

there's other passages that are

40:25

involved. Okay? Uh you know

40:26

premillennialists for example will

40:28

appeal to other texts as well. But the

40:30

only passage that actually mentions a

40:32

millennium is Revelation 20 1-6.

40:36

Now on the one hand one text should be

40:38

enough to require our ascent if we're

40:41

clearly convinced of a particular

40:43

understanding of it. But as we've said

40:46

this is a very difficult passage.

40:49

Revelation is filled with apocalyptic

40:51

imagery and symbolism is notoriously

40:53

challenging to interpret and so want to

40:55

be careful about dividing from other

40:57

Christians on the basis of a text that

41:00

is highly disputed where you've got

41:01

godly Christians like Augustine changing

41:04

their mind on it throughout their

41:05

career. More on Augustine and church

41:07

history in a second. A second argument

41:09

is that practically the doctrine of the

41:11

millennium makes much less difference to

41:14

the Christian life and to the health of

41:16

the church moment by moment. I'm not

41:19

saying it makes no difference, but it's

41:21

very different from the first rank

41:22

issues we've surveyed or even the things

41:24

I tend to put in the second rank

41:26

category like aspects of ecclesiology or

41:29

the doctrine of the church like the

41:30

sacraments for example. Those are

41:32

practical issues you just have to do

41:34

something about and they're affecting

41:36

your church life every Sunday. But your

41:40

view of the millennium isn't going to

41:41

come up that regularly on Sunday morning

41:43

worship services when you're sharing the

41:45

gospel. It'll flavor things here and

41:47

there, but it's not right in the center.

41:48

It's not this fork in the road where you

41:50

just have to come together in one way or

41:52

the other. And the most com most

41:55

Christians can recognize that the the

41:56

biggest way people will dispute that is

41:59

they'll say uh a lot of times our

42:01

premillennialist friends will say that

42:04

the aale and postmale views spiritualize

42:08

the Bible and therefore it affects the

42:10

church profoundly because it punctures

42:12

our doctrine of scripture. Here's how

42:14

one person puts it. Quote, "The

42:16

modernist who spiritualizes the

42:18

resurrection of Christ does so by almost

42:20

the same techniques as are used by BB

42:23

Warfield, who finds heaven described in

42:25

Revelation 21-10."

42:28

And I would just respectfully push back

42:30

by saying that those of us who are

42:32

persuaded against a premale view are not

42:35

spiritualizing the passage. We are

42:37

simply trying to read it according to

42:38

its literary genre. And even if we're

42:41

wrong, that's a crucial difference

42:43

between the liberal who denies the

42:45

resurrection because that person

42:47

typically says, "Yeah, the initial

42:49

disciples believed in a bodily

42:50

resurrection." And then they reject that

42:52

on other grounds. But an amill or

42:54

postmill reader of Revelation 20 is

42:57

coming to their view precisely because

42:59

they think that's what the text means.

43:02

That's not puncturing our doctrine of

43:04

scripture. This is just a disagreement

43:05

about how to interpret it. And so this

43:08

is where my concern about the awareness

43:09

of church history is so critical and

43:11

it's my third argument here. The idea

43:13

that a mill or postmill spiritualizes

43:17

revelation 20 just like a liberal

43:20

spiritualizes the resurrection

43:22

requires us to say that most Christians

43:25

throughout church history spiritualized

43:27

this passage because that's the majority

43:30

view. Throughout church history, you do

43:32

find the notion of a literal 1,000-year

43:35

reign on earth after Christ's coming. U

43:39

it usually goes by other names like

43:41

killism and millinarianism and things

43:44

like this. And you can find a rough

43:45

version of this view. There's

43:46

differences uh among some early church

43:49

fathers like Justin Martyr and Irenaeus.

43:51

Sometimes it crops up among more

43:54

separatist groups with more of an

43:55

apocalyptic kind of vibe to it. Um and

43:59

but it is not the only view in the early

44:01

church in those first several centuries.

44:03

Uh and if you want a case to that de

44:06

demonstrates that you can see this book

44:07

by Charles Hill that is quite good. Uh

44:10

moreover, from the time of Augustine,

44:12

when Augustine sort of changes his mind

44:13

on this question in favor of

44:15

amillennialism in the city of God, early

44:17

fifth century up until the 17th century,

44:22

all premillennial schemas were broadly

44:26

eclipsed and they really weren't in the

44:29

mix. uh the prevailing predominating

44:31

view during this huge span of time,

44:34

these 12 centuries or so is well

44:37

expressed by Thomas Aquinas when he says

44:39

the thousand-year period of Revelation

44:42

20 is the whole time of the church in

44:44

which the martyrs as well as other

44:45

saints reign with Christ both in the

44:47

present church which is called the

44:49

kingdom of God and also as far as souls

44:51

are concerned in the heavenly country

44:52

for the thousand years. The thousand

44:54

means perfection. That is the broad view

44:57

of the majority of church history.

45:00

That's what the reformers broadly held

45:02

to. I'm allowing for some variation

45:04

here. And so here's the point that I'm

45:06

trying to make is that doesn't mean it's

45:08

automatically right, but it does rub

45:10

against the idea that this view doesn't

45:12

take scripture seriously. It's really

45:15

hard to sustain that critique when it

45:17

entails you're saying everybody from

45:19

Augustine to John Calvin to BB Warfield

45:21

all had an sort of aberant doctrine of

45:23

scripture. Just one final point and then

45:26

I'll move on and that's Jay Gres from

45:27

man who wrote the book Christianity and

45:29

liberalism. This is a leading statement

45:31

against theological liberalism from

45:33

about a hundred years ago. Uh and this

45:35

book is a great model of triage actually

45:38

and he states his disagreement with the

45:40

premillennial view but then he says I'm

45:42

unwilling to divide from them. Quote yet

45:45

how great is our agreement with those

45:46

who hold the premillennial view. They

45:48

share to the full our reverence for the

45:50

authority of the Bible and differ from

45:52

us only in the interpretation of the

45:54

Bible. Certainly then from our point of

45:56

view their error, serious though it may

45:58

be, is not deadly error. And Christian

46:01

fellowship with loyalty not only to the

46:04

Bible but to the great creeds of the

46:06

church can still unite us to them.

46:09

[snorts] End quote. Manchan of course

46:10

was the great leader of the conservative

46:13

Presbyterian split in the early 20th

46:15

century. You can't accuse him of being

46:17

weak on sound doctrine or unsympathetic

46:20

to the cause of pmics. So I think we

46:24

should hear his his appeal there that

46:26

Christian fellowship is not at stake on

46:27

this issue important as it is. Okay,

46:30

let's talk about the rapture next. I'm

46:31

going to go quickly on these next three

46:33

because a lot of what I've just argued

46:35

about the millennium will have some

46:36

crossover applications as you will be

46:38

able to discern as we go here. I'm just

46:41

going to canvas these topics and then

46:42

make the case that we don't need to

46:44

divide over these things. And some of

46:46

these things I'll then drill down to

46:48

into more in my video next week on the

46:51

book of Revelation. The rapture, the

46:54

word rapture comes from the Latin

46:55

translation of 1 Thessalonians 4:7 where

46:59

Paul says that we'll be caught up to

47:02

meet the Lord when he comes. And all

47:05

Christians believe in this text, but

47:07

there's disagreement about the nature of

47:09

the rapture. So for example, is it a

47:11

secret rapture? And then about its

47:14

chronology. So you'll find discussions

47:15

about a pre-tribulational rapture where

47:19

as the term implies, the t the uh Christ

47:23

will will secretly rapture believers

47:25

before the great tribulation. A there's

47:29

a midtribulational rapture where it

47:32

happens halfway through. So you've got

47:34

some persecution that Christians are

47:35

preserved from. Sometimes they'll link

47:38

that with the seventh trumpet in

47:39

Revelation. And then you've got the

47:41

posttribulational rapture view where the

47:44

rapture occurs at the same time as

47:46

Christ's second coming and visible

47:49

return after the tribulation. We're

47:50

caught up to meet the Lord. The fourth

47:52

option here would be many Christians

47:55

especially in the a mill and postmail

47:57

camps don't see the rapture as a

48:00

distinct event to be correlated to the

48:03

great tribulation at all.

48:05

uh this would be my perspective and we

48:07

would just say this is just what happens

48:09

at the second coming. Uh we're caught up

48:11

to meet him as he comes and the language

48:13

here in 1 Thessalonians 4 is drawing

48:15

from the ancient practice of greeting a

48:17

a dignitary or important person who

48:20

arrives and then escorting him into the

48:22

city. It's kind of using this language

48:24

and uh the the focus here is that the

48:27

rapture is not an evacuation of this

48:29

world. It is a participation in Christ's

48:32

decisive arrival to renew it. And so,

48:36

uh, in so far as in the New Testament,

48:39

uh, you find people swept away, it's

48:41

swept away for judgment. And that seems

48:43

clear from the context of Matthew

48:45

24:40-41

48:47

where it's the one who's taken away, who

48:49

is in judgment, and the one who is left,

48:51

who is saved. Not to argue for that

48:53

here, but those are some of the options

48:55

you you get there. And as you can see,

48:58

this disagreement is then a subd

49:00

disagreement within the larger issue of

49:02

the millennium. And so a lot of the same

49:04

reasons for why we shouldn't divide over

49:06

the millennium. I want to argue we don't

49:08

need to divide here. Uh biblically it is

49:11

again less clear. Practically it is less

49:14

consequential and historically it is

49:16

more diverse. Though I need to say the

49:19

idea of a secret pre-tribulational

49:22

rapture does not appear anywhere in

49:25

church history prior to the 19th century

49:27

so far as I can tell. Maybe I'm missing

49:29

something, but I cannot see any

49:31

historical precedent for this view

49:33

whatsoever. Most Christians from the

49:36

early church through the reformers

49:37

expected Christ's return and the

49:39

resurrection of the dead, but didn't

49:41

separate out any kind of secret event

49:44

from that schema. And so I would be

49:47

strongly encouraging this is not an area

49:49

again when evangelicals assume this kind

49:52

of view. We're straying off the path

49:55

without realizing it. With all respect,

49:57

please I hope you will consider that.

49:59

Here's a third area where I'm arguing we

50:02

don't need to separate over

50:03

disagreements and that is the nature and

50:06

timing of the antichrist. Now the term

50:09

here is itself kind of the part of the

50:11

challenge. Um, the term antichrist is

50:14

not always a technical term. First John

50:17

uses this term to refer to antichrists

50:19

in the plural who have already come in 1

50:23

John 2:18. But many Christians have

50:26

thought that the New Testament also

50:27

envisions one particular figure or

50:29

entity of some kind that we can call the

50:32

antichrist. And sometimes this person or

50:35

this entity is considered to be the same

50:38

as the beast of revelation and the man

50:40

of lawlessness in 2 Thessalonians 2.

50:43

Very broadly speaking, there are three

50:46

main views about the the antichrist

50:48

throughout church history or the beast

50:50

or the man of lawlessness. Pick your

50:51

terms.

50:53

Some, especially in the early church,

50:56

thought this referred to Nero or some

50:59

other Roman emperor and the imperial

51:02

power that they represent and and wield

51:04

against Christians. You find that view a

51:06

lot. You see it in Lactius. You see it

51:08

in John Crosstum. The first commentary

51:11

on the book of Revelation by

51:12

Victorianists in the 3rd century argues

51:15

for something like that. A second common

51:18

view is that the antichrist is the

51:19

papacy. Very common among the reformers.

51:22

I think that's a difficult view to

51:24

sustain exoggetically. And then a third

51:26

common view mo this is this is very

51:28

common. This is the dominant one among

51:29

evangelicals today is the antichrist is

51:32

some kind of future world politician. So

51:35

you can see a big difference here is

51:36

going to be whether we're looking to the

51:38

past or the future. Futurist views

51:41

versus predtoist views. My next video on

51:44

revelation will make an argument in

51:46

favor of option one particularly nero

51:49

that'll come out next week. I am not

51:51

100% sure about that, but I think that's

51:53

a good candidate. Uh I think that's a

51:55

reasonable interpretation.

51:57

It probably explains the texts better

51:59

than any other interpretation. Even if

52:01

we can just be recognize this is

52:04

difficult and and not be so dogmatic

52:06

about these things. That's just a simple

52:08

point about theology and and life in

52:09

general. You don't need 100% certainty

52:12

about everything, right? But I'll make

52:15

the argument there and try to triage

52:16

that as best as I can as well. But my

52:19

triaging of this issue would be the same

52:21

as these past two. Biblically, this is

52:23

less clear. Practically, this is less

52:25

consequential. And historically, there's

52:27

much more diversity. When I preached

52:29

through 2 Thessalonians 2 a few years

52:31

back, and I'm wrestling with uh this I

52:33

was trying I remember praying for that

52:34

sermon and think what what do I say

52:36

about the man of lawlessness or as he's

52:38

called here as you see on screen, the

52:40

son of destruction. And my preaching

52:42

strategy was to emphasize application of

52:45

the principles more than speculation

52:48

about the details, which I think is a a

52:51

legitimate way to make the emphasis in a

52:54

sermon. But it was also quite relieving

52:57

to be able to quote Augustine as saying,

52:59

I frankly confess I do not know what he

53:02

means. And uh that's it's kind of

53:04

endearing to see these this these great

53:06

theologians struggling with these

53:08

passages. This is a difficult topic. Um,

53:11

I think the man of lawlessness here can

53:14

plausibly refer to Nero because Nero is

53:17

a ruler who exalts himself as divine in

53:19

some sense. He demands worship. He

53:21

unleashes horrific persecution against

53:23

believers unfathomable. And he embodies

53:25

lawlessness and rebellion. And he just

53:27

seems to fit the profile generally, but

53:29

there's little wrinkles in these texts

53:30

that I don't know how to explain either.

53:32

So that's why I'm saying this is my best

53:34

effort. Stay tuned for that video if you

53:36

want to see me work that through here.

53:38

I'm just saying let's not divide in the

53:40

body of Christ over this issue, but

53:42

let's keep studying it and talking about

53:44

it. And I think the same way for the

53:46

great tribulation here. Again, the great

53:48

divide, one of them will be whether this

53:50

is a past or future event. So typically

53:54

in the great tribulation, we're drawing

53:56

not just from the book of revelation and

53:58

certain texts there. But the events that

54:01

are spoken of in Mark 13 and then the

54:04

parallels in the other synoptic gospels,

54:06

Matthew 24, Luke 21, the so-called

54:08

Olivet discourse.

54:10

And uh some people see this as future

54:12

events. Others see this as actually

54:14

talking about the past. Uh referring to

54:17

the Roman siege of Jerusalem toward the

54:19

end. Well, not not right at the end in

54:22

the in the context of the first Roman

54:23

Jewish war culminating in the

54:26

destruction of the temple in 70 AD. A

54:28

colossal event that sometimes we forget

54:30

how how worlds shattering it was. And

54:33

the argument here is this fits the

54:35

context. The entire discourse is

54:37

occasioned by the disciples talking

54:39

about these buildings in Jerusalem and

54:41

Jesus saying they're all going to get

54:43

knocked down, which is of course exactly

54:45

what happens. And then you have just

54:47

what seemed like explicit references to

54:49

the siege of Jerusalem in these passages

54:51

like Luke 21:24. It's right there in the

54:53

text. Jerusalem will be trampled

54:55

underfoot by the Gentiles. And the the

54:57

the tricky thing about the nature of

55:00

biblical prophecy is the telescoping and

55:03

all these different ways that prophecy

55:05

works. Which is why I'm going to argue

55:07

in my video next week that if we are

55:09

consistent with how we read books like

55:11

Isaiah and Hosea and Zechariah and

55:14

Ezekiel, with how we read Revelation and

55:17

the Olivet discourse, we can make some

55:20

sense out of this. And I'll argue for a

55:21

partial predtoist view, but this is

55:24

another area where Christians can

55:26

disagree and we don't need to divide

55:28

from one another. And uh I have really

55:30

the same kind of appeal here. By the

55:33

way, there's some other views on this

55:34

too. It's not just futurism and and uh

55:36

predtoism. Uh historicism is a view that

55:40

thinks the events of revelation and find

55:43

fulfillment throughout the course of

55:44

church history. And then you have

55:46

idealism which holds that the book of

55:49

revelation is not so much describing

55:52

singular specific historical episodes as

55:55

much as kind of the timeless struggle

55:57

that will go on and is probably

55:59

instantiated in many different events uh

56:02

prior to the return of Christ. So I'll

56:05

cover I I'll say more about those in my

56:07

next video. Here I I'm making the

56:09

argument that it's third rank for the

56:10

same reasons. It's less clear in the

56:12

Bible. It's less practical on the ground

56:15

and historically it's more diverse. As

56:18

important as these issues are, they are

56:19

not the center of our hope. More on that

56:22

in my next video. So, what's the upshot

56:24

of all this? I would say I simply don't

56:27

think we can know exactly where we are

56:31

in the in the schema of events leading

56:33

up to the second coming of Christ. And I

56:35

think simple uncertainty is good in the

56:37

sense that it requires us to say, "Let

56:40

me be ready at any moment." But what we

56:44

can know and should emphasize is the

56:47

certainty of Jesus's coming. The fact

56:50

that there will be suffering. You know,

56:52

here's the thing. Even if you think the

56:55

great tribulation, so-called described

56:57

in the Olivet discourse is referring to

56:59

a specific historical event as I do,

57:01

that doesn't mean there's not going to

57:02

be other tribulations. And it doesn't

57:04

mean that some of them aren't going to

57:05

be great. So just like there's not going

57:07

to doesn't mean there won't be other

57:09

things that are antirist.

57:11

And so we're not saying there won't be

57:13

other forms of suffering. In fact, I

57:15

think we have many reasons to think

57:16

there will be persecution and suffering

57:18

that we should expect prior to the

57:21

return of Christ. And the emphasis and

57:24

the urgency and the priority is now

57:26

evangelism, global missions, and living

57:28

fully as the people of God. That's why

57:30

I'm on YouTube. I'm trying to be an

57:32

evangelist. And in the context of that,

57:34

I'm trying to serve the church. And

57:35

that's where triage comes in. And it's

57:37

why I wrote a book, by the way, called

57:39

Why Christianity Makes Sense, releasing

57:40

November 2026. I'm really excited. I'll

57:42

share more about that in other videos.

57:45

Let's keep studying all these tertiary

57:47

doctrines. They're important. Uh but

57:50

let's focus on the main things. The the

57:52

final thought is let's go back to the

57:54

lighthouse metaphor, right?

57:57

Can you see the light of the lighthouse?

57:58

Are you living with that as your daily

58:00

hope? Let me give you this final passage

58:02

from the last battle which captures the

58:04

emotions of our hope and let this be the

58:07

thing that we sort of land the plane out

58:08

of like this is what all Christians can

58:11

come together around. I love this scene

58:14

as speaking and he tells them they've

58:16

died and therefore the term is over. The

58:18

holidays have begun. The dream is ended.

58:21

This is the morning. And then it says,

58:23

"As he spoke, he no longer looked to

58:25

them like a lion, but the things that

58:27

began to happen after that were so great

58:29

and beautiful that I cannot write them."

58:32

And for us, this is the end of all the

58:33

stories. And we can most truly say that

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they all lived happily ever after. But

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for them, it was only the beginning of

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the real story. All their life in this

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world and all their adventures in Narnia

58:45

had only been the cover and the title

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page. Now at last they were beginning

58:49

chapter 1 of the great story which no

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one on earth has read which goes on

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forever in which every chapter is better

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than the one before.

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