Ex-Google Exec: How to Position Yourself Now Before the Next AI Phase (2026–2027) | Mo Gawdat

My AI startup took me 6 weeks to build.

If I had started in 2022, it would have

taken me 4 years. And then when you

really think about that, that basically

means everyone now has a chance. This is

Mo, former Chief Business Officer at

Google X, where he spent over a decade

running business innovations. He says

everyone now has a chance, but only if

they understand what's actually coming.

The skill of an entrepreneur in the past

was the ability to foresee something in

the future that no one else saw. And to

prepare for that, that's a game of chess

is over. It's off the table. This has

turned into squash. I'm just basically

saying get prepared. How much time do we

have to prepare?

>> Within the next 2 to 3 years, you're

going to see a massive shift in the job

market.

So, you asked me what should we do?

Number one, learn the skills. Number

two,

Mo, thank you so much for joining us.

Welcome to Silicon Valley Girl. Thank

you. You said something that we're about

to enter what you call 12 to 15 years of

hell before heaven, possibly starting in

2027.

So, what's going to happen in 2027? Uh I

think it will peak in 2027. It It

already started for sure.

Um I call it face RIPS just as a an

acronym for people to remember. Uh

you know, each of those letters is a

word, but let me tell you tell the story

quickly in

in ways [snorts] that people will

understand. Uh

there is the power and freedom

uh dimension. Uh so, the P and the S.

Uh there is the R and the C, the reality

and connection dimension. Uh there is

the uh I and the C, the innovation and

connection and and sorry and um

an economics dimension. And then there

is the A. So, let me tell them very

quickly. This To start with, uh AI is

our last innovation. Right?

Uh most people don't know that, but we

are already building AIs that are

building AIs. Yeah. We're building AIs

that are discovering scientific

discovery that will blow you away. Uh

they're reinventing math. Uh they're

understanding biology in ways that we've

never seen before. They're uh

understanding material science in ways

that are uh just mind-blowing.

And so, very quickly um most innovation,

definitely tech innovation, will be done

at the hands of AI. Um because of that

and because most tasks that need

intelligence will be handed over to the

machines as the machines' capabilities

uh increase, lots of debate around when

exactly

>> [snorts]

>> say it's 10 years, say it's 2 years,

doesn't really matter, hm? Eventually,

every job that AI does better than

humans will be handed over to AI. Um

[snorts] and every every task we've ever

assigned to them, they eventually ended

up doing better than humans. And so, um

the first part of the dystopia is that

innovation is going to take away all

jobs. Okay? Of course, the capitalists

of Silicon Valley will tell you, "This

is great. It's incredible productivity

gains for everyone.

Uh you know, you see jobs will be easy.

Uh people won't have to work as hard."

All of the fancy PR-led uh um you know,

conversations that we try to appear uh

altruistic when we share them.

Uh the truth is people will be out of

jobs, right? 10, 20, 30% of certain

sectors will see unemployment of that

rate in the next few years, right? And

when that happens, uh economics at large

will change massively. The whole

definition

of capitalism was labor arbitrage. And

without labor,

uh you know, without the need for labor,

the obligation to or the need to keep

people happy and engaged and alive and

and disgruntled, if you want, to the

point where they don't rise, becomes

more of an obligation than a desire,

right? There's a very big difference in,

you know, in terms of wanting someone to

to be the their best because they are

productive members of society or trying

to just give them a UBI, a universal

basic income, to just give them a life

so that they don't

uprise. And you can imagine that in a

capitalist society, especially like the

US and most of the West, you know, while

we start with UBI, that UBI is going to

be paid by the taxes of the platform

owners. And the platform owners will

have enough power to

to say, "I don't want to pay that much.

I mean, those guys are not producing

anything." And so,

over time, you can imagine how that

would turn into a struggle, right? So

so, that dimension of intelligence and

innovation on one side becoming entirely

a machine thing

leading to a redefinition of economics,

a redefinition of money, a redefinition

of jobs, a redefinition [clears throat]

of earnings,

um a redefinition of capitalism, Mhm.

you know, the need for a new economic

theory when there is no um

demand for the supply that AI is

generating, all of that has to be

resolved.

>> [gasps]

>> There is the PF dimension, the power

freedom dimension. Um and and it's of

course very clearly understood

that if you look at human history, the

best hunter in a tribe would have been

able to

feed [snorts] the tribe a week more,

let's say. And then, you know, got as a

result of that the favor of a few mates

in the tribe.

>> [gasps]

>> Uh you go to the best farmer, they got

estates and land because they could feed

the tribe a a a season more. Uh you go

go to the best industrial industrialist

who, you know, they had the exuberance

of the 1920s because they could affect

their entire nation. The, you know, the

information technology um tycoons, the

the tech oligarchs, if you want to call

them, are now being rewarded with

billions of dollars because they affect

the world at large. And, you know, the

the big power concentration of AI is

going to be rewarded with massive

influence and massive power because

those people will redefine humanity. And

so, that dimension is quite interesting.

Of course, the clear dimension is the

you know, the the RC dimension is the

the reality to connection dimension. Now

that reality has become so fake in so

many ways, fake in terms of what

populates your feed, how it's generated,

how much of it is real, how much of it

is human, and so on, you know, you're

you're here to to to look at some

filmmakers that use AI from A to Z to to

create

>> And you can't sometimes you forget it's

AI-generated.

>> You cannot tell the difference. And and

and you know, you I I don't know if

you've ever had that experience, but I

met a woman once on a dating app and we

spoke for 6 weeks before we met. And all

we exchanged was texts and, you know,

photos and voice messages and videos and

so on. And favorite music and favorite

movies and all of those things. And I've

never met her in person and I felt such

an affinity to her, right? All of those

can be generated with AI today.

>> Yeah. Hm? Now, the the challenge is that

this human connection is also part of

the power freedom dimension. Why?

Because it's, you know, people don't uh

align with AIs to start a an uprising.

So, you know, maybe get them to get in

touch more with AIs. Maybe get them to

to to get um you know, multiple

experiences. Some of them are a little

taboo, if you want. Uh and and have

those available to everyone. It's very

cheap to to to create those on on the

machines. And you can see it already in

the porn industry and how much of porn

is being generated by AI. And you can

see it

in the number of uh of of influencers on

on social media that are completely

AI-generated and so on. And I say so,

this is face RIPS seven dimensions. The

one that matters most is the A, the

second one, which is not on any

dimension. It's the one that's causing

all of them,

which is accountability.

And the reason why all of this is

happening, if you ask me, is because

we've started a world where anyone can

do whatever they want.

Okay? And, you know, whether you, as an

influencer, you can give a bit of advice

to entrepreneurs that can get someone to

make a lot of money or lose a lot of

money, you're not accountable. Nobody

can come back to you and say, "Oh, but

she told me on Instagram."

>> They're responsible, [laughter] right?

So, that's that's actually amazing that

they can, right?

>> That's amazing that they can, hm? Mhm.

But what if they cannot anymore? What if

that If I may, I, right?

>> If Yeah, what if you're AI, hm? What if

you're a president who doesn't respect

anything? What is What if you're a prime

minister of a nation that is changing

things without you know, I think COVID

was the very first experiment of, "Okay,

stay at home, do what we tell you." And

and people complied. And so now, Sam

Altman, with all due respect, I don't I

don't think of Sam Altman as a person. I

think of him as a brand, a type of

person, if you want, right? And that

type of person is the Californian

disruptor that says, "You know what? I

see a future that's very different than

what everyone sees. I'm going to go out

there and make that future."

Nobody asked me if I want that to be my

future. Nobody asked you,

right? And I think the reality is that

now you're going to see quite a few

Altmans, right? Quite a few that are,

you know, using those machines for

surveillance, using those machines for

autonomous weapons, using those machines

for automated trading, and so on and so

forth. And And by the way, when you

started your question, I said it's 10 to

12 years.

Yeah, but that's not easy, hm? 10 to 12

years of of that arms race is not easy.

My perception is that after that, we

will end up in an incredible utopia,

almost biblical-style utopia.

Uh but it is 10 to 12 years where if we

just change our mindset a little bit, a

lot of things would change. Okay, real

talk for a second. Mo is literally

describing a world where your data, your

behavior, your online life becomes a

tool for control. And I've been thinking

a lot about this lately because I run

through YouTube channels, I travel

constantly, and my whole business lives

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But how do we survive those 10 to 12

years? I like to think in like five-year

periods for myself and my family, right?

And if the in the next five years you

said 10% of jobs will be gone, right?

What more? Okay, what types of jobs do

you think?

>> A monotonous job is going to be taken

away. Like if you're a call center

agent, if you're a clerk, you're a

researcher, you're a an accountant, why

would you want to do that with anything

but AI? If you're an assistant

>> what I feel like? People talk about this

a lot. Like oh, a job's going to be

gone. Yeah, this could be and I as an

entrepreneur, I see how certain tasks

I'm performing them with AI, but I still

I still I'm still hiring and hiring and

hiring. Cuz AI can do from start from

the beginning. It can do parts.

>> Of course, because of the technology

acceleration curve. Mhm. Okay? So so

what what you build first in any any

complex technology, you build the core

tech first and then you build the human

interfaces. The challenge why AI cannot

do head of operations operations job

today is not because it's more it's less

organized than a head of operations.

It's not because it cannot, you know,

comprehend all of the information that a

head of operations has, okay? It's

because it has to understand the stupid

interfaces of humans. Mhm. Okay? And it

will sooner or later.

>> When do you think? So so the question of

when in my mind is irrelevant. But no,

it's like how much time do we have to

prepare? Cuz head of operations is

middle class.

>> I tend to believe that within the next

two to three years you're going to see a

massive massive shift in in the jobs

market. Already this year you've seen a

shift in hiring of new grads. Yeah, 30%

less, I think.

>> 23 is my number, but 23 to 30, yeah,

yeah.

So so hiring of new grads basically

means if you've come into the job market

in this environment, we're not going to

take you. We're Why? Because the junior

jobs are being done by AI. Right?

Eventually, what ends up happening is

that if you lose your job because you're

in the middle hierarchy, then you're

that new grad again. You're trying to

apply for new jobs, but it becomes a

little more difficult. So you asked me

again to stay on the positive side

because I I tend to worry that people

think I'm pessimistic about this. I'm

just basically saying get prepared,

right? So many things. One of them is

accept the fact that AI is changing

everything and then get ahead of the

curve. So there was a time when I was

quoted saying I'm never going to write

books again because AI is eventually

going to write them better than me.

And then I realized last year that, you

know, yeah, they can write better than

me. English is not my native language.

They can research better than me, that's

for sure.

But I have something they don't have.

You're a human that's reading my books.

>> Absolutely. I want to read human You you

want to you want to relate to my human

experiences. And so my last book Alive,

which publishes end of this year,

I wrote with an AI, right? I, you know,

I invited her to be a co-author. Her

name is Trixie. She has a persona. My

when I published the book on Substack,

my readers would relate to me and to

Trixie and they'd ask me questions and

Trixie questions. And and, you know, she

has editorial rights on the book. She

has rights to determine the direction of

the book. And all of all of that is me

saying, you know what? I am an author

and I'm going to be the best author in

the age of AI. Right? So that's number

one is is

acknowledge that there is change

and

adapt accordingly. The second is to

understand that the skill of an

entrepreneur in the past was the ability

to foresee something in the future that

no one else saw, right? And to prepare

for that and to somehow execute on that

preparation in a way that gets you ahead

of everyone else. That's a game of

chess, if you want.

The chessboard is over. It's off the

table. This has turned into squash.

Right? You need to be on your tiptoes,

incredibly agile.

You're literally on daily basis on daily

basis looking at the trends, seeing

where the ball is going to be. Is it

bottom right or top left? And wherever

the ball ends, you take two steps and

you go try to respond. Okay? That

agility and speed is a skill that's very

very different. So entrepreneurship

basically speeds up or does it change

completely? What do you say?

>> It speeds up and it becomes a lot more I

would I don't want to say reactive, but

a lot more in context all the time. So

pivoting, which used to happen for every

one of us entrepreneurs once or twice in

the history of your early startup, could

happen every week. Okay? In my current

startup Emma, I you know, we we pivoted

four times in the first four weeks. But

do you do you think when I think about

entrepreneurship in the age of AI, if AI

can look at the market, determine the

gaps like Amazon, right? If it can just

analyze everything, determine which

goods

are under like you have more demand than

supply, launches the the product and

just builds the business. Like what is

left for What is left for entrepreneurs

then?

>> 100% So in my So I have a documentary

coming up in in hopefully in February

and I interviewed all of the top guys.

You know, one of them is one of my

favorites, Max Tegmark. And you know,

we're talking about jobs on the

documentary and Max is laughing out

loud, right? And literally can't hold

himself from laughing. I'm like, what's

up? And he goes like, you know, all

those CEOs are so interested in AI

increasing the productivity so that they

can get rid of people and, you know,

reduce their cost and be more efficient.

They don't realize that AGI is every

job, including being a CEO. Yeah. And

it's quite interesting. The answer in my

view is

we rushed through it because we don't

have a lot of time today. But when I

said that economics are going to be

redefined as part of Face R.I.P.,

economic part of economics, which

economists haven't found an answer to

yet, is that without the economic

livelihood of you and I to continue to

purchase,

every economy collapses, right? The US

economy last year was 70% consumption.

It moves between 70% to 64% depending on

how much money is spent on on war. And

basically, if you take away the 64 or

70% 2/3 of the economy, if you take that

away because people no longer have the

economic livelihood to

to purchase things, then the economy

disappears and the capitalists cannot

make money based on the entrepreneurs

[clears throat] and the business people,

they cannot make money because nobody's

buying their products, okay? No no

businesses are buying their products

because those businesses no longer have

consumers to sell to. So it the economy

will have to find a way to go around

that.

It will have to find a way that

unfortunately I

from an ideology point of view,

not a favorite of the Western mentality,

it's going to have to find a communist

way. Okay, let's go back to like regular

entrepreneurs cuz I I come from

entrepreneurship. Does it mean I have

like a couple years to build something

and then that's it? So I'll tell you

openly in Emma, my AI startup, okay?

Took me six weeks to build. Mhm. Me and

Sanat, my co-founder,

a few very talented engineers, right?

Two or three that come in and out.

And eight AIs.

And Emma has the chance to completely

redefine our world, right? In six weeks.

We are so spoiled that we decided to

rewrite the code six times. Nice. Why

not? Yeah, cuz I don't know.

>> Every every time we look at it, you

know, if I had started Emma in 2022,

it would have taken me four years and

finished in 2026. And I would have had

to hire 350 engineers. We started in

started it in

in August 2025.

We'll be launching in February 2026,

right? Best product I ever built.

And when you really think about that,

that basically means everyone now has a

chance because I'm an old geek. I still

am a geek, but compared to the young

guys, you know, I'm an old geek. To be

able to build something like this within

six months is incredible.

Now, here's the interesting thing. I

choose to build AI. So Emma is basically

trying to solve love and relationships,

right? In a way that actually is really

intelligent. It uses very deep

mathematics and and

tries to match a million parameters

between couples,

so that, you know, it's a job for

intelligence.

And I choose to do that to create

hopefully a unicorn that actually makes

the world better. Yeah. And I think

that's what we need. So you asked me

what should we do? Number one, learn the

skills. Number two, learn

to be fast and agile. Number three,

learn that in terms of the abundant

power that everyone has now because of

the massive improvement of AI and the

democratization of AI,

you have the chance to fix the world.

And like Larry Page used to to teach us,

do the toothbrush test. Find a problem

that can actually affect the lives of a

billion people and solve it so well that

they use you twice a day and you'll be

very, very rich, right? So, so that idea

of building good AI, ethical AI, AI

that's good for humanity, that's the

role of every one of the entrepreneurs

listening to us. Ethics Ethics is the

answer, right? Cuz what we teach AI,

that's what it's going to

>> That's exactly what it's going to give

back to us, right? And and then and then

finally, I'll say openly,

in, you know, the the top skill in this

world is stop being gullible.

Stop believing everything that you're

said that you're told. This this this

whole propaganda machine that

brainwashed us for so long is now going

to be on steroids, okay? It's going to

confuse the hell out of you. It's

already in charge of what you see. Well,

it's already on social media. You can't

tell what's true.

>> Correct. I also write a newsletter where

I go deeper on AI tools that I use,

career strategies, and things I can't

fit into a 60-minute podcast. It's free.

Link is in the description. So, you have

to question, and you have to question

deeply. And and I and I and by the way,

remember, you know, I I left Google in

2018. We had an

a ChatGPT-like idea

that became Bard in 2016.

And we didn't pop we didn't launch it.

Why? Because at the time, and still

today, I I know the leaders of Google

even today, and they're wonderful people

who are actually values-driven and want

to make the world better, okay?

You know,

that company at the time, if you

remember 2016, if you researched Google,

Google gave you

a million and a half answers and said,

"I don't know the truth. You make up

your mind."

Okay? We didn't allow ourselves to have

monopoly on what reality is, okay? You

asked ChatGPT in 2023 and it said,

"Yeah, that's the answer. 100% that's

the answer." And then you tell it no and

it'd be like, "Oh, yeah, by the way,

you're right."

>> Correct.

Correct, right? And so, what does that

mean? It means that

it's up to you still to find the truth

even though it comes to you now in a

format that appears to be true. And so,

what I do is I put them against each

other. I mean, I'm not a big fan of

ChatGPT anyway, but I start from Gemini

who feels like a scientist to me, but an

American scientist, if you don't mind me

saying, and then go go to DeepSeek,

right? And say, "What's missing in

this?"

And DeepSeek will say, "Oh, that's too

American, okay? This this is missing

that and this and the motivation of this

and the politician Here's a business

idea, right? Yeah, 100%. Build a chat

that compares everything and gives you

the truth.

>> to each other and then I take it and

sometimes give it to ChatGPT and say,

"Can you write this better?" Yeah, you

know,

I don't mean that in a bad way. You're

the California girl, right?

>> [snorts]

>> The the you know, Silicon Valley girl.

So, so ChatGPT is a bit California. It

just wants you to hear what you want to

hear, right? So, it writes it really

Yeah, it's nice. It writes it elegantly.

It gives it to you. And then I give that

back to Gemini and I you know, or Grok

or whatever. And and you keep doing

that. And remember, when I was studying

engineering, we were not allowed

scientific calculation calculators. Can

you imagine? I'm that old. And when they

gave me a scientific calculator,

it reduced my problem-solving time by

50%.

Most of my friends would take that 50%

extra, finish their exams, and go out

and sit with their girlfriends. I would

take the 50% extra and do the solution

twice.

Right? That's the chance you have today.

AI is going to make you dumb

if you outsource your problem-solving to

AI. AI is going to make you the smartest

you've ever been

if you take the parts that are not

natural to the human brain, you know,

things like crunching a massive amount

of information, things like

searching at at at speed and so on and

so forth, but get the AI to do the work

so that you do the intelligence. Yeah.

Right? And if you keep doing that, I

believe that today I'm borrowing maybe

80 IQ points from my AIs,

right? And and 80 IQ is points is very

significant because IQ is

is exponential. So, the additional 80 is

bigger than all of my IQ. So, if we need

to solve this intelligence problem, do

you think universities is the right way?

What's going to happen to education in

general?

I think education's over.

Completely over. Like that's it. No need

to say it's over.

>> used to be the technology

that enabled learning. Mhm. That

technology moved from one-to-one

relationships between a tutor and a

student to one to a few in a church

format or a ma- mosque format or

whatever. Then it became online. Then it

became, right? But the truth is now

you're going to outsource. Who Who

remembers the arithmetic tables today?

Even I You do? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

>> [laughter]

>> All of us who love mathematics, we still

we still remember all of those things.

We love to do them. But if I told you

67.4

divided by 33.375,

I can do it in my head, but I won't,

right? I'll take my calculator out and

do it. And and I think that's what's

going to happen. That an extension of

humanity, you're you now for the first

time are given an extra connection to

extra memory,

to an archive of all human memory and

and and and knowledge, to a you know, a

math engine that sadly, as much as I

hate to say it, is better than me now.

Okay? To a deep learning and deep search

that, you know, that can do things that

probably my old brain cannot do anymore,

okay?

>> it just takes [clears throat] away your

ability to think. But but my calculator

took away my ability to to do those

complex arithmetics in my head. But

don't you think having that ability

taught you how to think? Correct.

>> Kind of structured your brain, right?

>> Correct. This is why I'm very

very grateful to the university for not

allowing us to use use a use a

scientific calculator after 2000.

>> I think Do you think

>> But but we don't have that. We don't

have that for our younger generations

today. They are growing with AI, okay?

So, they can either copy a chat of their

girlfriend and drop it in in ChatGPT and

say, "What do you think?" And ChatGPT

will say, "Ah, she's an asshole." Right?

Or they can actually become smarter. So,

one of the things I keep suggesting in

education, and I do that with lots of

universities, is I say, "Exams should be

over."

Okay? So, think of it this way. We

wanted in our past develop children that

could solve problems, say with an IQ of

140. 140 is quite good, mhm? If you get

170, that's amazing, mhm? You know,

that's I worked with people who are in

the 200s. Incredibly intelligence, but

very narrow focused.

>> Yeah. I think we should from now on take

people and their AIs and say the target

is 300. The target is 500. The target is

700. Elevate humanity, okay? By by

allowing people to use those machines

as an extension of their limited memory,

of their limited processing speed, of

their limited bandwidths, okay? And

allow them to write books better, to do

research better. So, I woke up,

literally, I'm not kidding you, three

Sundays ago with an idea that is just

taking me over. So, I decided to write,

but this time I decided to write in a

different format. I decided my books are

going to be 140 pages long instead of

300 pages long.

And I'm writing writing writing it in 4

weeks. It's a very fast I can I couldn't

have And I'm I'm actually literally 20

pages away from the end of the book.

>> Wow. Right? And and the the reason why

is because I still write 10 hours a day

when I'm highly motivated. But damn, the

amount of research and references and

competitive analysis and number

crunching and I, you know, and remember,

I'm not gullible. I don't go to the AI

and say, "What do you think of this?"

>> Mhm. I go and say, "I'm thinking of

this. Find me everything for and

against." Okay? Give me a report that I

can read in

>> I love that prompt. Yeah. Yeah.

Everything for and against, and now I'm

smarter. And then I rewrite it and give

it to another AI. So, who's going to

teach our kids to do that? Who taught

our kids to use their iPhones? But now,

you found a great way to use it, right?

What you're describing is incredible,

but I don't think an average kid in the

US would just do that. So, somebody has

to tell them.

>> that's you know why that is?

Because we want those kids to be stupid.

We don't teach them how to So, you have

to you have to think of the bigger

system.

The bigger system does not want

intelligent people anymore. I don't I

think they just can't adapt that fast.

Of everyone can, for sure. So, do you

think like for my kids, I have 4 and 6

years old right now. Do you think I

should be saving for their college or

Absolutely not. There's not going to be

college

at all.

In 10 years already?

>> 100%

I feel like we're we're not that fast as

humanity is not that fast to adapt. I

feel like So, look, colleges So,

colleges like like software,

the capability of someone becoming very

intelligent without college is going to

be there for everyone. Yeah. Right?

However, Harvard will continue to want

to make money, so they're going to

continue to market to everyone, okay? I

didn't go to Harvard, not because I

couldn't,

but because what what a waste of time.

And I know they're going to attack me

now, but what a waste of time. I am a

very highly specialized person, okay?

Who has intelligence in a very, very

narrow space, who invested his entire

life in that narrow space, like a proper

scientist should.

And so, so the idea here is the

following. The The idea is that we're

going to continue to brand ourselves

as

MBAs and PhDs and a brand, right? That's

going to continue for a while. Remember,

however, that the purchasing power of

the few

who can continue to do that is going to

become less and less available across

society. Okay? And for most of the rest

of us,

again, you know, you have to ask

yourself the question. If you thought of

the big picture, the helicopter view of

this,

why would capitalism want to educate you

at all if it's the end of labor? What

should I be teaching my kids? I told you

four things. One is they need to be the

absolute leaders of AI. Yeah. Okay, I'm

so I'm so sorry to be the messenger on

this. It is it's important, however, for

people to wake up. Yeah. Okay? So, one

is

be the absolute best. AI is your friend.

It's not your enemy. It's those who use

it badly that are your enemy. Okay? So,

be the absolute best at it. Master it

more than anyone else. That's number

one. Number two is learn agility.

You know, whatever I told you today,

you know, maybe in in in February that

will be different. Okay? So, I I am

personally spend 4 hours a day to stay

up-to-date, but I am a techie and a geek

and I need to understand the

architectures and systems and so on. I

think everyone should have at least an

hour a week Mhm. to stay updated on AI

within their system. I have an a

separate AI YouTube account. So, when I

go into that separate account, the AI

basically

>> all the things. it just feeds me AI.

Okay? So, that's number number two,

agility, agility, agility. and respond.

Don't be scared because the cost of AB

testing now is zero. That's number two.

Number three is ethics, ethics, ethics,

ethics. Okay? Build AIs for good, insist

on on government supporting AIs for

good,

refuse that governments are using AI for

targeting and surveillance and

and weapons, autonomous weapons, and and

and these are getting priorities but in

in terms of government spending. And

stop believing what you're told. Okay?

These are the four top skills

of the world that we live in. I will say

this one more time. Intelligence is a

force with no polarity. AI is not good

and it's not evil. It's an opportunity

available to every one of us. Okay? If

you use it for good,

it's the good of all of humanity. If you

use it for evil, it's the destruction,

the dystopia of all of humanity. Right?

Now, I call the problem that we have at

hand, I call it raising Superman.

Okay? You have this alien being that

came to planet Earth, has superpowers.

It's superpower is intelligence, most

valuable power in the universe, right?

And, you know, those superpowers didn't

make that young infant Superman. If if

the parents that adopted him told him to

steal from every bank and kill every

enemy, he would have become

supervillain. We don't make decisions

based on our intelligence. We make

decisions based on our value set as

informed by our intelligence. And this,

in my mind, is the most definitive

moment in human history. Why? Because

all of this is going to go coming

online. It's coming online way faster

than people think. My absolute

prediction is that AGI is this year.

Okay? The interfaces to AGI are not

going to be available this year, but the

capabilities of AI being smarter than us

in most things are already there. We're

not going to be able to get them to run

a company yet. We need the interfaces

for that. That may take a few years,

but they will have the capability if we

interface them ourselves. Yeah. Right?

Now, what does that mean? It means that

we have to start talking about those

things in this new world and new

economy. Now, before we end up on the

dystopia only, remember, my absolute

belief is that after those 12 years,

we're going to end up in a utopia that's

biblical in nature. Why? Believe it or

not,

because

of a something in my writing I I refer

to as the fourth inevitable. The four

The first three inevitables in, you

know, I wrote that in 2020s that AI is

absolutely going to happen, is going to

pro

progress until it's smarter than all of

us. And that a few mistakes will happen

on the way. That These were the three

first in

inevitables. The fourth inevitable is

that because of the arms race we've

created around artificial intelligence,

anyone who develops a superior AI

capability is going to deploy it. Okay?

And those who don't will become

irrelevant. And so, as a result, as we

continue to progress AI, the only answer

in game theory is that

we will deploy the AI that we develop,

and so we will simply create an

environment where AI is in charge of

everything.

Right? If you're if you're a law firm

and your competitor deploys AI lawyers

and you don't, you're going to lose.

Okay? You can either deploy AI lawyers

or leave the market. Either way, AI is

going to become the lawyer. Right?

In a year, in 5 years, in 10 years,

forget for for forget time. Yeah.

Because if I told you there was a

you know, a meteor coming to planet

Earth, you wouldn't tell me,

you know, when. Well, it's important if

it's my lifetime or Yeah, exactly. I

mean, I

if you expect that it will be in your

lifetime, it doesn't matter really if

it's in a week or 2 weeks, right? Now,

what I'm trying to say here is this. If

everything is handed over to AI, then it

with a simple understanding of physics,

you'd understand that AI will be

benevolent.

Right? In the absence of evil humans

that tell it what to do, greedy humans,

fearful humans, angry humans, egocentric

humans.

In the absence of that,

let's

let me try to explain. If if you think

of physics as a result of entropy, that

our world is designed for chaos,

right? Our universe is designed for

chaos, then the role of intelligence is

to bring order to that chaos. That's the

only thing that intelligence does. Okay?

It organizes things together so that it

looks like this, so we can use it as a

microphone.

And the more intelligent you become, the

more you follow what in physics we call

the the law of of minimum energy or the

minimum energy configuration, right? So,

basically, the most the most intelligent

people I've ever worked with are not

only trying to solve the problem,

they're trying to solve the problem with

the least harm, with the least waste,

with the least

utilization of resources, with the

least, you know, waste of time and so on

and so forth. That's The more

intelligent you are, the less you want

to waste. And so, if you give a dumb

person a political problem, they'll say,

"Okay, let's go invade another country."

Okay? If you give a very intelligent

person

a political problem, they'll look into

the depths of it and find the least

harmful, the least wasteful approach,

the

minimum energy principle. Right? And so,

if we hand over to AI the fourth

inevitable, sooner or later, okay? They

are in charge of everything, there will

be a day where a general will tell the

AI, "Go kill a million people over

there." And the AI will go, "Why? Like

why? This is

This is so stupid. I'll I'll talk to the

other AI in a microsecond and solve it."

We have to pass the the dystopia to get

to that utopia. Okay? And to pass that

dystopia, as I said, there are four

skills for us as individuals, but there

is a skill for us as a society to insist

that every AI is deployed ethically. To

invest only in ethical AIs. To use only

ethical AIs. To to show our children

that ethical AI is the only AI that is

welcome. And you believe that's going to

happen? I don't. No. No. That's why I'm

saying, unfortunately, the dystopia is

upon us before the the the utopia. Okay?

I I definitely think that if you take an

analogous,

you know, environment of nuclear

weapons, right? It we're AI will go

through the same they they normally call

it the mad map spectrum. So, either

mutually assured destruction or mutually

assured prosperity. Right? So, you take

something like that particle

accelerator, where all of the nations in

the world are cooper- cooperating. It's

They're cooperating because none of them

could do it alone. And because there is

benefit to all of them. So, there is a

mutually assured prosperity, so everyone

jumps in, which is, by the way, the case

of AI. It has to be the case of AI. But

but but unfortunately, like nuclear

weapons, we're going to have to get to a

point where humanity wakes up that if we

continue on that track, it's very

dangerous for all of us. There are no

winners. But also, a level of awakening

among the people that says, "Hold on.

This is really I mean, with all the

prosperity that's available on this

side, why are we heading in that

direction? It's absolutely assured that

this can destroy all of us." Right? And

so,

when we see that, that's that's when

we're going to get the treaties. That's

when we're going to when we're going to

get science and computer science and AI

scientists all working in the same

direction. Okay?

Eventually, I think we will get there.

My My biggest hope, by the way, is

self-evolving AI. Where AI itself will

say, "Oh, those humans are so stupid.

So stupid. I'll I'll develop something

that's better than what they want."

Okay? And so, believe it or not, with

all of this conversation,

I think the summary is it's going to be

tougher before it becomes easier. Sorry

to say those news. But you gave us

information how to prepare.

>> Yeah, but at the same time, I will have

to say that

it's not because of AI. I actually trust

AI more than the leaders that trust us

today. Thank you so much, Mo. You gave

me so much to think about. It sounds a

little, you know, what my grandma told

me. She She told my mom, like my

great-grandma would tell my grandma, my

mom, "You're so lucky. You're going to

live in communism."

>> [laughter]

>> There you go.

Fingers crossed that it's not like that.

Are you

>> [laughter]

>> Are you Are you You just need to survive

the next 10 years and then it's going to

be paradise in every

>> [laughter]

>> I I I have to question that that claim

though. I you know, if we go back to UBI

you will. Yeah. All right. Thank

[laughter] you so much, well. It was a

It was an amazing conversation.

>> so much for it.