Iodo, Cetogénica e Carnívora — o que Te Esconderam, com Fernanda Anders

Today I have with me a revolutionary woman, I can even say that. A woman who transformed her health through a carnivorous diet, through correctly replacing iodine levels, which has nothing to do with what is spoken, what is known, and that with all this has come to this path that has also revolutionized and transformed the health of hundreds of people.

We have here with us Fernanda Anders and her book "The Carnivorous Revolution". We will talk not only about this carnivorous revolution but also about the issue of iodine, which is very relevant. Because we all heard that people with thyroid problems, such as hyperthyroidism, Hashimoto's thyroid, etc.

can't take iodine supplements and it's not like that. Let me introduce you a little bit. She is an ancestral nutrition consultant, founder of Cetogénica Portugal, which I invite you to check out on Instagram.

expert on iodine and has studied a lot about new scientific studies and so much more that is there to deconstruct this narrative of the "bitch" for bread as to iodine and is the author of this book that I just showed you. Fernanda, you are very welcome.

Thank you, it's a pleasure to be here. We were saying here in OFF, and it's true, we've been here for two years, between messages, but now the day has come for us to sit face to face and bring this conversation. Yes. And it is said that when the person is prepared, the student is prepared, the master arrives, right? So let's also believe that you only came today because today, from now on, is the right time for this whole community and this whole message to be

if you can welcome with another integrity and openness, right? Everything is right. I think so. Everything comes at the time it has to come. Exactly. I also believe in that. Thank you very much. So, thank you very much. Before we go there, I'm just going to present the product I chose for this week. I chose it for you to offer you the Cerebral Tonic, which is a supplement that I really like. Well, it's not worth opening, I have it open. They are ampoules, they come in tubes.

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Thank you very much. When we are with a cerebral fatigue, and so many of us are living phases like this, with sleep issues, memory issues, concentration issues, I believe, and you know that,

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where to find it? In this case, on the site of Thomas Vitte, www.thomasvitte.com and have my discount coupon to be able to use it, which is LISA15. And now, let's get to the conversation. Let's go. So Fernanda, I'm super curious here and I really want to learn how much you've brought.

Tell us a little about yourself, who Fernanda is, and the before Fernanda arrived in this world, which opened up, and then the big differences you have seen in terms of energy, in terms of, look, we're talking about brain and concentration, all this, a little bit in terms of health, but also quality of life. So, I was originally trained in advertising, I'm an advertiser, I worked in the advertising market for 20 years,

which is a very stressful career. My work always left me at the limit of exhaustion, of pressure. But I was also a person who always took care of health. I was raised by a vegetarian mother. So I was raised drinking green juice, which was called green juice, which was not even green because it had beetroot, it was red. And I grew up drinking this juice, seeing my mother eating Brazil's chestnuts.

because she had protein, because she didn't eat meat. And I've always been very concerned about health, it was a hobby of mine. So I've been doing physical activity for about 20 years, I've always liked to eat whole grains, lots of vegetables, lots of fruits, I've always done physical activity. And at the age of 40, I discovered myself with a lot of diagnosis, and I was an athletic, skinny person. I ate sweets, but I thought that as I trained a lot, everything was fine.

So, when I was 40, I discovered that I had Hashimoto's disease, hypothyroidism, reactive hypoglycemia, insulin resistance, a quadriculitis, I had to do rehabilitation because I couldn't even walk properly, I had already left Disney's wheelchair, and I didn't understand, I thought it was something like genetics, I said, "Wow!"

And that's what happened. I took the medication and controlled it. I only understood what happened to me a short time ago.

Because, precisely, then comes the question of iodine, the question of food. I never liked eating meat. People are shocked when I say that, but I hated meat, people. I hated eating meat. My mother, despite being vegetarian, she was vegetarian because of the animals, but she knew that meat was fundamental and she forced us to eat meat. So, there were three little dogs at home, little dogs, Dachshund.

It's that sausage. I sat down to have lunch and my mother let me have lunch alone, because I had school, so I had lunch earlier. I was alone and the dogs around me, they ate all the meat. I didn't eat, I gave it to them. You passed it to them. I hated it, I hated it. I was disgusted with meat. Once we had a Thursday in Brazil and I saw a pig and a chicken killed. I was so traumatized.

I remember my mother forcing me to eat pork meat, which I had seen in the taia, and it left me so traumatized. I hated eating it. So I ate meat, it was the minimum I needed to know that I had to eat, because I grew up listening to that, that I had to eat meat. But I ate little, I ate very little meat, a lot of vegetables, a lot of plants and sweets.

After that, I understood a lot of things that I did throughout my life that blocked the absorption of iodine. I think that's what happened to me. I was stressed out about my work, which was very stressful. Here in Portugal, I gained a lot of weight because immigrants gain weight. You arrive in a new country and want to try everything, right? You gain weight. When I started doing ketogenic, I started studying,

Then, a journey began to information, and I have hyperfocus. When I get really curious to understand a subject, I am very obstinate, I read all the books, I go after scientific studies, I go after information, I go to the root of the issue. And that's when I understood that the big problem we live today is political, because we suffered a brainwashing of what is an adequate diet.

- And I followed it. - On many levels. - On all levels. - Even cholesterol, etc. Everything. So I realized that I followed a label and that label made me sick. That moves me to this day, because that's what made me create my page. Because before I created my page, I started talking about this subject, I was so outraged, I started talking about this subject on my personal page.

I started to realize that there were people who were coming to my page because of this subject and there were people who were bothered because they weren't willing to hear about food. I said: "I'll create a page where I can talk about food all day long, that won't bother anyone." That's when I created the subject of "Portugal". I was very angry. I started to see people having breakfast in the cafes in Lisbon, where I lived at that time.

People only eat sugar in the morning, orange juice with bread and croissant. Nobody eats protein. It's just sugar. People are afraid of eating protein and not afraid of eating sugar, which is the problem. Or a protein that is not good, like the fiembre full of sugar. Yes, or that doesn't even have bad things in it. There's flour, there's anything in it.

It's not a real protein. So I started to get very angry to see how people are being induced to make mistakes and are getting sick because they follow the guidelines. And that started to move my life in such a way that I started to study more, I started to study history to understand where it came from. So much so that my content always talked a lot about history.

Where did it come from? If you know, I don't know if you know. This question about iodine, for example. Yes, just to close the diet question. So, in terms of food, there was a very short influence, an American influence, from the way we understand food, which came from the nutritional epidemiology, in my book I talk a lot about it,

and how this was distorted and influenced by the American industry, which was the one who, in the frying of eggs, created the food pyramid. The American food pyramid from the 70s, which was initially made by Louise Light, who is a nutritionist, was delivered by the American government to be criticized by the US industry and agro-cultures sector.

And this pyramid came back completely altered. Louise Light herself turned to the American government and said: "You will create the greatest epidemic of diabetes in the history of the United States." What happened? Until then, the population was thin. There were no obese people in the United States. What happened? After they released this pyramid, the biggest wave of obesity was what she said.

So it wasn't a technical work done by a nutritionist. "But there are studies!" There are studies for everything, people! It's not a study. We have good and bad studies. And not necessarily the good study that is used to form a diet. And that's what we live in relation to the diet. And in relation to iodine, it's complex. But iodine already exists, it was discovered in the beginning of 1811.

and Lugol was developed in 1829 by Dr. Juliana Lugol. What is Lugol? Lugol is a combination of two inorganic iodides, which are elementary iodine and potassium iodide. Why? Because part of our body uses iodine and the other part uses another iodine.

They can be soluble together in water and contain the two perfect forms that our body needs. It is pure iodine, there is no allergy to this iodine, the allergy that people have to contrast, which is not iodine, it is an organic iodine that has a junction with another element, which is what gives the allergy. There is no allergy to iodine. We have iodine in the bloodstream, there is no allergy to iodine, there is none.

And this iodine, which was Lugol, was used as the Swiss medicine cannivate.

So, what happens? If someone is interested, we have a substance that has no patent, that costs 20 euros a glass, lasts months and cures a panacea of disease. Who is going to be interested in promoting such a simple solution, so accessible and so versatile? Why is it versatile? Because when you have a nutrient deficiency, you correct this deficiency,

There's the theory of chaos. A small thing can organize many other things. You have no idea how many things are disorganized when you have a problem. You lack money in your house. You have no idea how many problems arise from that lack of money. It's the same thing when there's a lack of nutrients as important as iodine.

There are many issues that will disorganize you because of this deficiency. And this was a series of problems that were happening, studies that were poorly done, like Wolf-Chaikov,

and a series of poorly done studies and the lack of interest in the industry and if there is an absurd iodophobia today, people are afraid to use iodine. Because of the lack of interest, because there was such a spread, then there is actually an interest, because the pharmaceutical industry ends up making millions with medication for thyroid and etc. Exactly. For thyroid, for cholesterol, for everything. Exactly, it's the same thing. So, for example, we see in the group that people supplement iodine,

Most of the time, the cholesterol drops naturally. Because everyone knows, it's something I'm not inventing, iodine deficiency.

will propitiate hypothyroidism. And hypothyroidism has an association with high cholesterol. Do you know more or less what is the percentage of population? I don't know if you have an example. It's 100%. With iodine deficiency? Everyone has iodine deficiency. It's 100%. Dr. Dave Brownstein, who is one of the authors, because he had a scientific rescue,

that happened in the beginning of this century, in 2005, with Dr. Gay Abraham. So he was so proud because he treated his patients with iodine, he saw the incredible result that people were reborn. So he knew about this resistance to medicine, he took all this scientific mark on iodine, 150 years old, and made a review of all this scientific bibliography on iodine.

He created something called the Wildein Project, which is the rescue of this scientific literature about iodine. And also his clinical experience, and the doctors who wrote this project with him, which is Dr. David Brownstein, who I even did a live with him a month ago, Dr. Flechas, Dr. Hakala, and the main one, Dr. Gay Abraham.

and they had clinical practice, so the Well Done Project with their clinical practice and scientific review, so they have information about iodine that is fantastic, this is not taught in any place in the world. And these doctors can do remission in diseases that even today traditional medicine cannot bring an answer. For people to be able to contextualize better at home, what diseases are we talking about?

that the iodine deficiency is actually at the origin of them, it can also be one of the factors, and then iodine levels can be corrected. Look, there's a fantastic book by Dr. Elizabeth Bright, it's a book only about thyroid. When you understand what happens, the T3 hormone, which is the active hormone of the thyroid, these three are three iodides, then you already understand.

The thyroid hormone is the main hormone, it is like the director of all the hormonal processes in your body, physiological and even epigenetic roles. It is the main one. For example, your hormonal production of sex hormones, it will have a fundamental role as a master of all this.

T3 is made of iodine. People are terribly deficient in iodine. There is a test that Wild Dive Project teaches, which is the 24-hour iodine test with load. I've never seen anyone not give a lot of deficient in this test. Everyone who does it gives 11% of saturation. For example, imagine a surfer who is in contact with the sea every day.

- Okay.

In the original world, hundreds of years ago, there were no competitors. The diet itself has competitors. So, can the endocrine disruptors also be competitors? What is more the competitor is a little heavy metal, but the main one is the bromine, the fluorine, the halogens and the chlorine.

So we have an environment today of a lot of competition, and also in food. So we have, for example, substances present in crucifers, in linseed, that we will form thioceanates, and these thioceanates block the absorption of iodine. So, raw vegetables, linseed, raw vegetables, crucifers.

So, the crucifixes, for example, broccoli, if you eat it cooked and don't overdo it, it's not a problem. It's not that you can't eat broccoli, but people are... This mindset, which is something I say in the book, this mindset of thinking

The plant is the main food that is the problem, because people are eating a food that has always been our food of accompaniment, the plant has always been a food of accompaniment and a food that we call food of survival. So, in the lack of meat, "I'm going to eat a potato, a broccoli, because there is no meat." It was never the main food and people transformed the juicer into the main one. And the plants have a lot of iodine blockers.

And people are on a plant-based diet. Then you combine a plant-based diet with countries, here it's not the case, but in Brazil there's flower in the water.

There's a lot of chlorine in the water. Here there is, it's not added. Bromo also exists in the water, doesn't it? Brometo has nociano, nociano has more brometo in the ocean than iodine, actually. But it's because the brometo here is not as problematic as it is in Brazil, because in Brazil they added bromato in bread, in breading, and in the United States too.

In Brazil, there is the addition of fluorine in water, bromide in the water, a lot of chlorine in water. Chlorine doesn't store in our body, like bromide and fluorine, we keep it stored. This competes within our body, because it is stored. Chlorine we don't store, but every day you have contact with chlorine, and it also prevents you from absorbing iodine.

So this iodine that you are having contact with in the ocean is not enough for you to supply in today's world, you know? Because the right thing is not to have iodine from the sea only, you have the iodine of marine animals and the iodide of marine waters. That's how we prospered, consuming this iodine. We don't have it anymore, this is unreal. We don't have this iodine consumption anymore. You were talking about

of our ancestry, that plants were only the accompaniment because the human being went hunting, the main food was meat. How did they at that time, I don't know if the question makes sense, just out of curiosity, how did they at that time overcome the needs for iodine? Was there? You know that there is a book by Elizabeth Bright, she talks

which was exactly why she has this theory that the Nandertals did not prosper and the Homo sapiens did not, because there was a time when the two species lived together, Nandertals and Homo sapiens, and the Homo sapiens had a predominance of presence in coastal regions, in relation to the Nandertals, which were more to the interior.

So she shows in the studies she did that the nandertals did not prosper, because the lack of iodine brings many diseases. So what does her book bring?

for example, arteriosclerosis, inflammation, juvenile scoliosis, everything has the influence of a subclinical hypothyroidism, which is usually not diagnosed, because the best way to diagnose hypothyroidism is not by blood test, it is by basal temperature, nobody does that. I have one doctor in Brazil who talks about this, Dr. Italo Rachid. So the question

of the basal temperature, we have to be 37 degrees orals when we wake up. Nobody has this temperature. Nobody! You see? What happens when you start to supplement iodine, your temperature starts to rise. Day by day. Then you reach the temperature.

So we realize that people are not operating on their potential. What are the other consequences of this iodine deficiency? For example, dry skin, hair loss, vision problems,

joint tissue problems, nodules and cysts, the gland changes its architecture, it starts to get hard, painful, fibrocystic, so the gland changes its architecture due to the lack of iodine. Iodine is like a little worm in your gland. And the main consequence of the lack of iodine is cancer. Why? Because iodine has a role, when we consume iodine, we produce something called iodolipids.

These iodolipids are anticancerous, because they have several roles to protect against cancer. They clean the gland, so they will help in the lymphatic system. They are pro-optoptics. What is this? Pro-optoptics is when the cell is induced to die when it is sick. So when a cell is sick, what is right? It dies to protect us from a disease. When a human being is in balance, he is a being that cures himself.

So, iodine promotes cell apoptosis when the cell is sick. And, mainly, it is antiproliferative, this iodolipidium, and also iodine will help to make the estrogen receptor in the mammaries, in the ovaries, in the uterus, not to capture excess estrogen.

So, one thing we notice in the use of iodine, a huge amount of people are eliminating the nodulus and cysts in two months of iodine use, a deal that costs 20 euros, people! It's absurd! Wow, in the middle of all this, what are the reference values, which, as I understand it, are very low, are very far from the true amount of iodine that we need in us? Ah, okay. So, the question here is:

Everything that is taught in the medical and nutrition universities in the world about iodine

It's questioned by the Wildein Project, it's not Fernanda, it's the Wildein Project. So, what is taught in the Faculty of Nutrition and Medicine is that 150 micrograms of iodine per day and the urinary test, which is a possible urine, which is a little pot of urine, which will have up to 300 micrograms of iodine in the urine. But what does the Wildein Project say?

because this amount of iodine that was conceived by the guidelines is for thyroid, because the traditional vision of iodine is that iodine is only used for thyroid. But what does the Wildein Project show? That we need iodine to feed the body. Our thyroid needs iodine, but the whole body needs iodine, in a very large amount.

than what is foreshadowed by the guidelines. So what will it bring? A consumption of at least 13 milligrams of iodine, that is, while medicine says 150 micrograms, the Wild Dime Project says 13,000 micrograms. Look at the difference. But our iodine capacity in the body is 1.5 grams. See the difference in the guidelines.

And what do we notice? When the person uses it, what the IOD approach brings are doses ranging from 2 drops to 8 drops of Lugol 5%, that is, from 13 to 50 milligrams, that is, up to 50,000 micrograms of iodine. It's crazy, isn't it? But then, when the person makes an adequate supplementation, they can reverse several diseases.

Tell us a little more about it. We were talking about nodules, hormonal cancers too. I have received comments from followers and people I don't even know, telling cases of cancer remission with iodine. And you have your own case, right? I eliminated a cyst in the ovary. It was a cyst that I have proof of, that I had at least four years ago.

in the ovary, and then I went to do the image test in December, and the ST came out there, the same cyst continued, which was in another exam, which I did in the same laboratory, and so on. Then I repeated it, eight weeks later the cyst was no longer there. It's the easiest thing to have, to eliminate the cyst in the ovary, in the ovary it's easy. Myoma that takes longer, myoma, it shrinks, it's slow, it's not guaranteed to come out. Oh, it's full of people there, if you look at my Instagram,

comments, messages, there's a highlight there, a highlight, testimonials, every day there are people who eliminate cysts. Very good. And nodules. So, effectively, it's not that you recommend the person to do it alone, you can do a transformation. It's not to do it alone, people, you can't do it alone, you have to have information, because, like, my vision is that everyone has to use iodine, but not everyone is

I like that you talk about it, because I've heard you talk about iron deficiency. Exactly. For example, if the person has anemia, iron will worsen the person's anemia. At first, iodine will worsen the person's anemia. It's the lack of iron. Why? Because it increases metabolism.

iron we have enzymes in the body that will produce thyroid hormone that will convert the t43 we have enzymes that use iron-dependent so it will increase production without so we have to give the nutrients together with the iodine the iodine it will greatly increase the hormone production of the thyroid we have to have other nutrients that will participate in this together and there are people for example you take a person who has Hashimoto's

There is a phase of Hashimoto's that the person is very inflamed, the thyroid is very inflamed. You can't enter with a low goal in this phase. You have to deflate the person. So, what do I always say? Stabilize the person, deflate, a good natural diet, a good meat base, of course you can eat plants, it's obvious,

Take out processed food, avoid alcohol or reduce it to the maximum, de-inflate the person, take out sugar or at least reduce it drastically, improve nutritional status, correct iron deficiency, and then enter with iodine. That is, not giving iodine makes a lot of difference in the person's life.

But if the person doesn't have... It's the same thing as having a car parked in the garage for five years. You won't fill it with gasoline and go out on the road with that car. It's the same thing. You go there to see the oil, take it to a checkup, see if it's not rusty. Or at least you should. You should. Of course there are people who do it anyway, take two drops and it works. A lot of people there comment

"I took two drops in three months and eliminated the nodule." There are a lot of comments like that. People who did it anyway. But there are also people who did it anyway and had symptoms of detox. Because when you start taking iodine, you will clean, expel the bromide and the fluorine.

that have been stored for a long time. And when you detoxify these allergens, you will overload the body. What happens? What are the symptoms? You have several reactions, you have stress reactions, for example, a trembling eyelid, you have symptoms in the skin, eczemas that may appear, sleep, fatigue, there is a slight decrease in thyroid hormone, momentarily, so you have to reduce the dose,

use water with salt to release the bromide and fluoride. So there is a process that the I-Dyne Project teaches you to go slowly. Each person will have a dose. It's not the same for everyone. Exactly. And it's not a dose that is the same every day. When you see that it's too much, you reduce it, take a break, stay there a few days without using it and come back with less.

knowing how to manage detox is very important because detox will overload the body and the person thinks it's the place that is doing bad. I also heard you talk about the loading phase, the amount you give in the loading phase and the amount you give in the maintenance phase. Exactly. It's different and it depends a lot on the lifestyle. For example, here in Portugal there are much fewer iodine competitors than in Brazil because there is no flower addition in the water, there is no

- Bromatoid in the panification. - But you have it in toothpaste. Yes, that's why we don't use it. I don't use toothpaste with flowers. I use it without flowers. But most people use it. - They have it in the same container. - It's better to change. We go out... I have a course that teaches and in the course I...

I tell people to try to reduce the number of dialogues. What is the B2 and B3?

all the nutrients that participate in the hormone production of the thyroid you have to give a greater support to the body because it will suddenly start producing more hormone in the thyroid

So, think about it, you're going to set up a cake factory in your house, on Monday, a cook will arrive, a cake specialist. Then you bought more flour there, but where's the butter, where's the eggs, where's the sugar, where's the rest of the ingredients? So, when you have iodine in a larger amount, you will increase your thyroid hormone production a lot. Increase with balance, right? Because there is a balance inside our body. Exactly. So, because iodine will increase demand for other nutrients.

So, this has to be followed. In this loading phase, this is very important, mainly because when people have hypothyroidism, they do not have a good digestion, they do not absorb iron well, nutrients in general. So, this hypochloridria is associated with hypothyroidism. So, this is the problem, hypothyroidism, it goes like...

cancer that is getting through the edges. Hypothyroidism is subclinical, many times, the person does not know that it has and it deteriorates the person's health at various levels and no one discovers: "Oh, cholesterol has risen, then take statin." The person is tired, is not able to sleep, is very tired, has no energy, or is with hypochloridria, gives a

a medicine for the stomach instead of seeing why the person has hypochlorite. So, when you see that person taking several medications, why didn't anyone realize that they don't have iodine to make thyroid hormone? In other words, we all need to look and increase our amount of iodine.

- So, the Wildein Project, there's a study by David Brownstein, that does a test of the right one, which is the 24-hour urine diod,

pee, take 50 mg, which are 8 drops, from the time you took it, you will collect urine for 24 hours. And the right thing is to give 90% saturation, that is, you took 50 mg and there will be 45 mg left in the urine, then you reached the point where you are already well on iodine, 90% saturation. People barely reach 10%.

in general. It is also important to say here, I think, for those who want to start doing it and in a way accompanied,

There are indeed other people who talk about two drops always, or just talk about two drops. Yes, but that doesn't solve it. What happens is that only one bag of green tea has a corresponding drop of Lugol or flower, of flower iodine. So, for example, a bag of green tea or black tea, which is that Camellia Sinensis tea, it's not that, this is an infusion that we are taking, but the green tea, the Camellia Sinensis.

- What? - It's chamomile. - Yes, I saw it. It's infusion. So, green tea, black tea, white tea, which is made from Sinensis, which is a hyper-accumulating plant of fluid, a bag has an average of 5 mg of fluid. So, if you take two bags a day, on average 10 mg of fluid, you have to take at least two drops of Lugol just to balance the fluid of the tea.

When you have a lifestyle or a context with many competitors, you have to do it. It's a competition. You will never be able to have enough iodine like that. You will have a direct blockage of iodine. And in perimenopause and in menopause, what happens then? So, what happens? Dr. David Brown's book shows all these graphs. First, he shows

Everyone who gets there is seriously iodine deficient. And it has a comparison by age. Women, from 40 to 50 years old, each decade, their deficiency gets worse. So, the deficiency gets worse every decade. So, in my view, why are women who have the most breast cancer in the 50-year range? Because they don't have iodine.

I think it's very difficult for someone to have breast cancer if they have enough iodine. They already have enough iodine since they are 35 years old, at least. The ideal is the child, everyone has enough iodine. But to get to such a critical age, that we have very high statistics for breast cancer, iodine deficient, wow! Look, I'm going to tell you, fibrocystic breast, the Wild End Project shows that 100% remission,

in all women who used 50 mg of iodine for a year. 100%! And fibrocystic breast cancer is a very high risk factor for breast cancer. So we see that the people who are supplementing iodine in the group, the women, the texture of the breast changes, it gets softer. That hard breast that you will hug your husband and it hurts, it ends.

So it changes, the breast changes completely. This hard breast thing, people, this is a lack of iodine. Nobody knows about it, I get desperate when I see people not knowing about it. It's what you say, right? There is an iodophobia. And possibly even this theme that we are bringing to many people will shock, because we even have this idea that iodine has a limit. It's because the vision of medicine is potassium iodide, because really the amount of iodine we need

to produce thyroid hormone is very little. But what Iodine Project brings is precisely this, it's not just iodine, it's not just thyroid. Our body needs elemental iodine, because iodine is for thyroid, and the rest of the body needs to be fed with elemental iodine.

That's what's missing. What if we started eating seaweeds? That's a good idea. We have an ancestral blend, which is plant and animal. I always say that the best diet is plant and animal. You have meat and meat and plant and animal.

and on the other side, some plants to accompany the meat. So, in the animal kingdom, you have the marine animals, half of the plate, and you can eat the seaweed on the other half of the plate. Why? Because the seaweed has potassium iodide.

And marine animals have an elemental iodine. It's a no-go. What do you suggest for marine animals? All of them. But the ideal is to eat animals that are not from farms. That are deep-water animals, that are not really cattle. So, if we choose, and we're talking about fish, if we choose fish that are more deep-water, so, from the sea and deep-water, not from the river,

Exactly. But the problem is that we have a lot of ocean pollution. There is a nutritionist, Dr. Juliana, who always says: "I test all my patients for heavy metals, and the more people eat fish, the more mercury they have."

So, people who have a very high mercury level eat fish every day. If they have low mercury level, they don't eat fish. Or they don't have mercury. And then, if they need to mix it with cosmetics, etc. Then, there's dysbiosis, a context in which we live with a lot of stress, a lot of cortisol, which opens the intestinal barriers, increases contamination by metal.

So, the issue of fish has this problem. I think the ideal way to solve the issue we have today of iodine is to take Lugol. Very well. And I'm going to take advantage of it, and in the middle of all this, it's going to be wonderful. I don't know if there at home, if it's a new topic, of course it's to be heard again, but it's super interesting.

And I want to bring the subject of meat. Paleo, paleo, cetogenic, carnivorous. The differences between them.

Yes. And then we'll talk about carnivorous and cetogenic. When the paleo diet came out, I have to be polite to say paleo, because in Brazil we say paleo, right? Paleo is very similar to the carnivorous diet. The original paleo, which was formulated in the book

from the 80s, that brings this novelty. Let's stop looking at agriculture, let's look at the diet that man did in the pre-neolithic era, because what is believed here is that agriculture brought diseases, diseases that started with the introduction of agriculture 8, 10 thousand years ago.

So, these modern diseases didn't start only after the Industrial Revolution, they started after the Neolithic.

dental caries, bone health reduction, stature reduction, everything happened when the transition from paleolithic to neolithic was the introduction of agriculture. So, the paleo diet is actually a carnivorous diet and the plants complement each other.

trying because we always had to eat plants because we always lived in an era of scarcity, we didn't have the will to count the meat, we couldn't eat meat. Sometimes we had to eat roots, berries, etc. Yes, because sometimes we didn't have it, it was one day away, the hunting was over, we couldn't hunt the animal, we lived on the planet in an era of ice, which only ended 10,000 years ago, there wasn't

There were plants, but more in the tropics, closer to the poles there were fewer plants, there were more plants closer to the Equator line, the geographical issue is also very important. So the carnivorous diet

it will take the straw to an extreme. So the straw actually has the plant and the animal. But the straw, over the last 10, 15 years, has been adapted, it ended up in potatoes, for example, potatoes are a food

from 10,000 years ago. The original paleo has no potatoes, no yams, no tubers that have a lot of starch. So they are very low-fat vegetables, it's practically cetogenic. The original paleo is between a low-carb and a cetogenic. What is cetogenic? It's a diet that is so low

is so low in carbohydrates that it forces the organism to dig and produce its own energy. So we will, for example, produce carbohydrates from glycerol, which is a piece of triglycerides,

will produce amino acids, which can be a protein enzyme. So we produce carbohydrates from other substrates, we will run on fat, so we will use fat from the diet, we will use the carbohydrate that we produce from protein fat.

There are practically no potatoes, no sweet fruits, so there are, for example, the fruits that we would eat in a cetogenic diet, which are red fruits, an avocado, a coconut, a lemon, a lime, low-amid vegetables, for example, green beans, broccoli, cauliflower, the leaves,

We don't have any starch in these vegetables. -Mirin, bananas... -No, it's not a low-carb diet. It's a paleo diet. Paleo includes more carbohydrates. We have fruits, but even paleo, which I explain to people,

because we try to make a diet closer to what we did in the Paleolithic era, because this is the reason, because our genetics is more adapted to this. Because, look, the most important concept of nutrition that was forgotten with this nutritional epidemiology, this modern nutrition,

that was forgotten is that the healthiest food that exists is the one we are most adapted to. That's what's worth. So no one is discussing what is the food of the bear. The bear has his food there that you always ate.

We who are in doubt about what we should eat, humans are a little confused. What should we eat? This example you just brought, putting it as a joke, but it's not a joke, really brings a very interesting perspective. Because a bear has its food. Every animal has its food. And humans are constantly changing. And we learn that from official nutrition. Individualities. Each one will eat something.

Why does every human being have to eat something? It doesn't make sense. Every animal has its own diet. Of course, there are nuances. Some people eat more carbohydrates, some people need more protein, like a bodybuilder, for example. Of course, there are fine adjustments, but they are fine adjustments. There is a diet that belongs to humans that he ate for 2.5 million years.

Then we started eating cereal, which is 10,000 years old. In evolutionary terms, 10,000 years is nothing. But now cereals with sugar and more additives. And this is 150 years ago. And with colors. Right? Many colors. Additives. We don't have the adaptation for this. Diet, people.

Whenever you have doubts about what makes sense, because today everyone says something, "I can't stand listening anymore, every time I hear something different on Instagram about food." Whoever is telling the truth will study history. The answer is what we ate for two and a half million years. It was not rice, it was not wheat. "But wheat is an ancestral grain." Ancestral in 4,000 years, people. At most 8,000 years.

Our genetic evolution is very slow, very slow. We have much more affinity with even the vegetables we eat today, then we talk a little about carnivorous, because of the vegetables we eat today, which we think is ancestral food, they were created not even two thousand years ago. All the vegetables we eat, most of them, come from mustard, it's genetic change, it's not our original diet.

and it doesn't hurt, ok, we eat this, there's no problem, it's not like you eat the colorful cereal, each one of a color, right, let's differentiate, of course there's no problem eating this, eat it too, it's all right. You even said that it depends, because if it's a blocker of iodine absorption, it has to be cooked, and it's also not to base your diet on that. Why is it important to talk about this vegetable issue? Because I think the carnivorous community, sometimes,

or it's misinterpreted, or sometimes there are some people who have a more extreme view, but the point is that we are always promoting the anti-nutrients that have the vegetables, which shocks people, but it's not, in my view, it's not that we, at least I don't want people to be afraid and let us eat totally vegetable, no, but it's for people to understand. As a follow-up. It's not the basis of the diet, people, the basis of the diet is animal product. I also have

I'm sorry, I tried to be vegetarian, I love it, I have three cats and a dog, I love animals. If I could prosper, my health prosper, without eating animals, eating grass, I would love it. In fact, I love eating vegetarian, I love it, I eat falafel, vegetables, I like it. But it's no use, we don't have performance in a diet without animals.

The person may be fine, but they would be better if they had a diet with animals. So, just to try to synthesize, if we put a little table like this: paleo,

meat but it already allows a little more carbohydrates and various fruits. Cetogenic, more restricted than carbohydrates and more based on protein and also fat. Vegetables that are more fibrous, that don't have much starch. In the straw there is still more starch. Potatoes or sugar, like the sweetest fruits in straw. In cetogenic there are already fruits that are not sweet, like red fruits, avocados,

and the vegetables that are fibrous. What are the fibrous? For example, green beans that don't have much starch, you know? Leaves, salads, broccoli, that's it. And in carnivorous? Then it's more meat with a little bit of vegetables, a little bit of vegetables, it doesn't have to be just 100% meat, but at least 80% meat on average would be that, 70% to 80%.

Is the fat animal or does it come from avocado? It comes from the carnivorous part of the body. When we have a carnivorous mentality, we understand that animal fats are better than vegetable fats. Vegetable fats are also very good. We have coconut oil fat, olive oil, it's great, but animal fats

In our view, it is a better fat, because it does not have phytoestrogens, phytoesteroids, which for example coconut oil has, which is cholesterol.

of the plant and we avoid this type of substance, for example, phytoesterol, today, the doctors who used to receive it to lower cholesterol, do you remember? In the past, they gave phytoesterole as a supplement to reduce cholesterol, but today it is already known that they are heterogeneous, they can cause a plaque of atheroma, so we try to eat animal fats,

So when should people choose between one or the other? Does it have to do with some health issue that should be put in these different foods? Does it have to do with whether or not you can release meat and carbohydrates? I see that the issue of strict diet, as it is only meat,

Some types of diseases have been studied, we have seen many results that really make a lot of difference. So, inflammatory intestinal diseases. There is a study that came out now, which is 10 reports of cases, of people who tried everything and then when they start doing carnivorous in 15 days it is a relief that the person never had in life.

which is an incredible result. So some diseases, really the carnivorous, autoimmune diseases, because when you do a strict carnivorous, you take all the anti-nutrients from the plants, which for a healthy person does not make much difference, for a sick person it does. So it really helps to do the remission of autoimmune diseases, for example.

Well, in the way it was taken to vegetarianism, it was said that our digestive system is very different from a carnivorous digestive system, for example, a lion's digestive system, it's not to create a shock, it's to solve questions and doubts.

The lion's is supposed to be short, so it eats a certain amount of meat and quickly defecates. In humans, our gut is much longer, so we will take hours and the meat will get rotten. That's what they say. So we shouldn't eat, we are not carnivores, like a lion.

What would you say about this? I know that there is this... I hear a lot of these comments on my Instagram. So, the digestive tract of the human being is a hyper carnivorous animal. First, we have a 1.7% of stomach pH, which is more acidic than that of the cat and the lion.

Extremely acidic. What is it made for? To digest the meat. When you eat meat, it becomes liquid in your stomach. It leaves your stomach liquid. You will never see a piece of meat in your feces. Never. You already see in your feces pieces of broccoli.

You will never see it. Why? Because the pH is very acidic. Then you have the thin intestine, which is long, which is where we absorb amino acids. And it has to be long. Now, the thick intestine, which is the intestine that will ferment the fiber, is not long. It is shorter. So much so that we have a maximum fiber intake capacity, which is 30 grams per day. You can't eat more than 30 grams per day, because you will be stuffed. So,

This issue of man being carnivorous or not, of being herbivorous, people talk about the monkey, but we were monkeys 6 million years ago, we are no longer monkeys. This is very distant, 6 million years.

There is a very good study by Rafael Sirtoli that shows that human studies of isotopes show, by paleontological findings, that humans were hyper carnivorous, they were at the top of the food chain for two and a half million years.

"Oh, because we don't have the claws, because we have the intelligence to develop tools."

So we worked with Homo habilis, we made tools that we didn't need to evolve with claws, we have canines, but we don't have so many pointed teeth because we always have tools. And how did the brain of the species that came evolving until we are today Homo sapiens,

The brain was increasing, and this was only possible with the energy of the fat of the meat. A man is a fat hunter, there is a study that says "man the fat hunter". Well, we're almost done. To close, maybe the other side is full of curiosity,

One question, when we talk about iodine and now this type of diet, it is important to combine, right? It's not just one thing or just another thing. Talk to us a little bit about this and then for those at home who are curious to switch diets, whether for a palaeo, cetogenic or carnivorous, more or less how to start, because I've also heard you say, for example,

types of meat I think we can talk a little bit about it. In the previous episode, Dr. Diana also talked very briefly, but I think we have to base it on that, even for those who are only listening to this and not listening to the previous one. You recommend two or three times a day at the meal, but leave your suggestion here. First, iodine and

and how to combine these diets? Well, the thing I see is that iodine will demand from the body, from the person who will use iodine, a good nutritional status. So much so that, something I teach in my course,

Not everyone is ready to take iodine, they need to do a supplementation, go to a professional, correct it, or take a basic supplementation that the protocol teaches, the protocol of the Iodine Project has a supplementation there, or does that supplementation. That is, when you make a diet based on meat, and it doesn't have to be strict carnivorous, it can be a paleo that already has a good amount of meat,

you're already increasing your nutritional status. And what I notice in my program, that I receive people who come from my page, who have been eating a lot of meat, most of them are already ready.

Not the majority, but many people there are already ready. Because it already came from a nutritious diet. Because the carnivorous diet, omapaleo, is nutritious. So the person is already more unflammable, healthier, more nourished. So iodine works better for these people. Because you are not putting iodine in a system that is malnourished, you know?

Because a person who only eats bad, a processed diet, a diet that has no enough nutrients, she will have to correct it first before starting another. So I see that both things work very well with synergy. Even the iron correction, as you said a little while ago. First look to see our state. Exactly. Then correct what is needed until we are ready to start

- Exactly. - That's it. Now, the question of carnivorous diet. Usually, two or three meals a day are enough. I think three meals a day is great. I don't agree with one meal a day. It's very common in carnivorous diet, because hunger goes away.

and it's a food that feeds a lot, especially red meat, which we'll talk about later. But this doesn't work in the long run. What you're saying is very interesting, let me make a parenthesis, because we're all addicted to eating every day, right? There's almost a compulsive movement, the person doesn't even notice it and unconsciously starts eating. Exactly. And that reveals, I would say,

that we are not well, because if we were nutritionally balanced, we would not be hungry all the time or always eating. Exactly, so a person who feels hungry to eat more than three times a day is because what she is eating is not feeding her. So when you make a meal that has nutrients and has energy and nutrients, you stay at least five hours without even remembering that there is food.

If you can't stay 5 or 6 hours without eating, then you ate something wrong with your diet. I always say that. But I think that eating once a day, the person ends up making a caloric restriction without realizing it. And this in the long run is destructive to health. There are many people in carnivorous who are very thin and then start to have hormonal damage. It's not because the diet is missing something, it's because the person is not eating enough.

I've talked about it, eat more, you know? You can't eat 1200 calories every day, that doesn't work. But I also know people who only eat when it's sunny, but then they eat... Most people can't eat enough. That's the problem, most people won't eat enough. If the person is obese, they have stock, but over time you need to eat more, because if the person is too thin, they need to eat more, you know?

And the question of meat. Red meat, ruminant, is the best meat there is. Because it's an animal... For example, why does the industry give soy oil as a supplement to pork, chicken, and not to ox?

Because the industry's intention is to turn the fat of the chicken and the chicken into polyunsaturated fat. Because the guidelines say that this fat is good. Right? Right. But this doesn't work with oxen, with ruminants. Because the ruminant transforms this fat into unsaturated fat.

So you can't change the fat profile of these animals so easily because they are ruminants. They produce fat. So the ruminant animal produces a very good fat profile. It's a mixture of unsaturated and monounsaturated fat, which is the same as the oil,

with saturated fat of very high quality, for example, trans-vacinic acid, because we hear about saturated fat, and in fact, saturated fat, people, what hurts is when we produce fat by excess of food. Because when we get fat, we get fat with saturated fat. So all, in my book I talk a lot about this, all studies that talk about saturated fat in a bad context,

saturated fat is there for association, it is not causative. When you eat saturated fat from a good natural food, such as a beef, for example, the trans-vacinic acid, which is a saturated fat, there is a study that came out, all the press came out, about a year and a half ago, that it has anti-cancer properties.

CLA, which is a linolenic acid, is excellent for health, it's a saturated fat. Steatococcal acid is a fat that gives a lot of satiety, it's saturated fat.

C15, a fat acid that has incredible health properties, is saturated fat. That's another problem. We are used to the fact that cow's milk creates mucus.

There are no pros and cons. The only food that I don't see any cons is a pasture ox, created by the herd, with the least possible interference from the human being. And let me just take advantage of what you're saying. So, when you talk about ruminants, you're talking about the ox... The goat and the sheep. The sheep and the goat. The pig, where would you put it? The pig is not a ruminant. So, what is the problem with the pig?

The way it's created, because the fat of the pig is going to be a reflection of what it eats. What does the pig eat? Cereal. So it's going to have a lot of omega 6. So it's going to be a little bit like white meat, right? It's going to be like chicken meat, which has the fat of the chicken, it also has more omega 6. So it's not that you can't eat, we think we have to have a non-perfectionist vision of food. We have to do the best we can,

and don't try to think everything will be perfect because there is air pollution. We are surrounded by problems, a problematic world, so it's about minimizing problems. So if you need to buy cheaper meat to close the budget, it's okay to eat pork and chicken, but when possible, try to eat more ruminants. Very good. And "se"

At home, if you were curious or really convinced to choose one of these diets,

What would you say? I also liked to ask if you could give us a little bit more information about grilling and cooking, one gives more vitamin C, the other gives more collagen. Yes, for example, when you take a meat that has a lot of connective tissue, a tail, and you cook it, it gets very soft, you are increasing the bioavailability of collagen. Because collagen, you eat there a

for example, that nerve, those very hard things. If you don't cook a lot, you'll be chewing for a long time, and you won't be able to enjoy it as well when you cook it better, it gets softer, right? And a meat that is more reddish, has a little bit of meat vitamin C, which is a vitamin C that is more resistant to heat than citrines. - Your bone broth also has a certain cooking time, right? - Yes, it will melt all that collagen and such.

So we have a vision of the issue of heterocyclic amines, this caramelized protein thing that does harm, that increases a series of issues due to oxidative stress. But I see that we have evolved by eating meat made on the fire. I think we have evolution for that. Very well. Well, there it is, this is a world. Now we all built a narrative, now we can or can't deconstruct it.

Anyway, here's the suggestion of so much you brought. You asked me something I didn't answer. How to start? Clean the diet and move slowly. Because a lot of people say: "I'm going to start carnivorous, I change from night to day, I have diarrhea, I have low electrolytes, I have a lot of symptoms, it's not worth it."

Do it slowly, move slowly and another, you don't need to do strict carnivorous people, people don't have to eat just meat, understand? Few people have to eat just meat to treat some disease, most don't need to eat just meat. There were many studies that associated meat and eating a lot of protein with joint problems.

Yes, but it happens that this is uric acid, but we already have several people who do a high-salt uric acid remission in a carnivorous diet, because then the metabolism of fructose also enters, which increases uric acid. I wanted to say, because possibly in these studies the rest was not analyzed, I wanted you to say at the end. You have to see the rest, because what happens, uric acid is an inflammatory marker, when the person is obese, is inflamed, the uric acid rises. So, in fact, we see in our environment people with uric acid falling, it can even

momentarily rise, that's why it's important to make the gradual transition. Because in the medium and long term it will fall. Very well. Fernanda, I don't want to take much more time from you. Would you like to add something that I haven't said?

I don't have to ask because I don't have any sense to talk about it. I think we've covered more or less all the subjects. I think we've brought a lot of nuances. The main message is that we eat meat. Don't be neurotic trying to find a bio meat, the best meat. Buy meat that you can...

I once talked to a doctor and he said that the worst meat is better than the best carbohydrate. Why? Because even if we have problems, we have a very high nutritional density in the meat and people get sick because of lack of nutrients. People can't imagine how the nutritional deficiency is behind all the diseases we have today. Very good.

Very well, thank you very much for coming, for finally having a conversation with us. Here is the suggestion to read "The Carnivorous Revolution", to follow you on social media and eventually look for your course. Yes. Because I think it's fantastic that you're bringing so many cases of cysts, nodules, etc.

The course is called "Yodo Revolution" and it's a symbolic price because my goal is to massify this knowledge. And you can see that you are a source, in fact several sources, as you said at the beginning, you are hyper focused.

You speak as knowledge, you are not just in an archism. No, not at all. Very good. Thank you, it was a pleasure. Well, on that note, subscribe to the channel, share this information, I believe it is one of these contents that deserves and lacks to be heard more than once, so go back, take notes,

integrate, digest, not only the digestion of meat, but also the digestion of all the information. I myself will do the same, I will digest, because red meat is something I haven't eaten in 24 years, but it's not like that, knowledge doesn't take up space, so we need to have knowledge, to broaden our perspective, because it often comes from a source and we can be open to many, and at the right time it will certainly resound.

From my side, that's all for today. Thank you very much for being on this side. A big kiss and see you next week.