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In 2019, a woman I'll call Anna was
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dying of Alzheimer's.
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She'd been in the final stages for
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years. She hadn't recognized her
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She couldn't speak. She couldn't feed
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She couldn't hold a spoon.
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Her brain was, by every medical measure,
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Riddled with amyloid plaques, shrunken,
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large sections of cortex effectively
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The neurologist had been clear.
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The Anna her family once knew was gone.
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Her brain could no longer produce her.
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And then, about 36 hours before she
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died, Anna sat up in bed.
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She looked at her daughter.
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She called her by name. And she said, "I
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I'm sorry I've been away."
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They talked for almost 2 hours.
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Anna asked about her grandchildren.
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She remembered names, birthdays, details
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She laughed. She made a joke about the
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She was sharp. She was, unmistakably,
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And then she fell asleep.
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Neurologists call this terminal
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lucidity, and it isn't rare.
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It happens in roughly 5 to 20% of deaths
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depending on the study and who's
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Families have been reporting it for
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Doctors have been quietly noting it in
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But science has never been able to
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Because here's the problem, and I need
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you to really sit with this.
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If consciousness is produced by the
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brain the way a factory produces cars,
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then a destroyed factory cannot suddenly
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produce a perfect car.
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A brain eaten by Alzheimer's,
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physically, structurally devastated,
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cannot suddenly generate the most lucid
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conversation of a person's life.
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It would be like smashing a television
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into a hundred pieces, and then watching
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it play one last, perfect, crystal-clear
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the television [music] was never
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generating the picture in the first
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Unless the relationship between your
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brain and your mind is something
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fundamentally different science has
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assumed for 400 years. This video is
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about a question that science has tried
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to kill, bury, [music] and forget.
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And that keeps clawing its way back up.
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A question that, as of right now, in
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is more scientifically alive than it has
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The question is simple.
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The answer is anything but.
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Now, before you click away thinking this
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is going to be some kind of spiritual
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sermon, let me be very clear about what
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this video is and what it isn't.
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I'm not a priest. I'm not a mystic. I'm
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not going to tell you about angels or
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past lives or the healing power of
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What I am is someone who read a book
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earlier this year that genuinely
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Several books, actually.
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And when I started pulling at the
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thread, what I found was that the most
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rigorous scientists and philosophers
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people at CERN, at NYU, at major
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research hospitals, are having a
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conversation about consciousness right
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now that would have been career suicide
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The ground has shifted.
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And I don't think most people realize
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The book that started me down this
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particular rabbit hole is called A World
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Appears, A Journey into Consciousness by
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Yes, that Michael Pollan. The food guy,
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the psychedelics guy.
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Published in February 2026, already a
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New York Times best-seller.
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Pollan spent years tracing what he calls
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the unmapped continent of consciousness.
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Meeting neuroscientists, philosophers,
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plant biologists, AI researchers, people
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who study psychedelics, people who study
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The book is organized beautifully.
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It starts with the most basic question.
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And escalates [music] all the way up to
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the nature of the self.
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The Atlantic called his ability to scent
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the direction the culture is heading
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The word is not too strong.
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But Pollan's book is the door I walked
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through. What I found on the other side
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draws from about a dozen other sources.
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Sabine Hossenfelder's Existential
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Philip Goff's Galileo's Error,
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the work of a man named Bernardo
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Kastrup, who is possibly the most
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interesting thinker most people have
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And a relatively new scientific study of
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terminal lucidity by a researcher named
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Alexander Batthyany, that may be the
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single most important data set in the
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history of consciousness research.
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I'll get to all of them. But first, we
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need to start with something simple.
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Something so obvious you've probably
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never thought about it carefully.
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You are a bag of atoms.
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I mean this literally.
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If you weigh about 70 kg, roughly 154
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lb, you are made of about seven
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That's a seven followed by 27 zeros.
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And the ingredients are almost comically
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Oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen,
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a trace of iron. If you were to buy
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these elements at industrial prices,
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all of you, the whole magnificent,
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feeling, dreaming, complicated you,
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would cost about a dollar.
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Maybe five if you adjust for inflation.
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Now, here's the first strange thing.
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they're not yours. [music]
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Not in any permanent sense.
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Your body replaces virtually all of them
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Paul Aebersold at the Mayo Clinic
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demonstrated this with radioisotope
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tracking [music] as early as 1954.
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Roughly 98% of the atoms in your body
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are replaced every single year.
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Your stomach lining replaces itself
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Your skin is entirely new every two to
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Even your skeleton, which feels so
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solid, so structural, so you,
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is completely swapped out about every 10
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The atoms that make up your body right
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now are not the atoms that made up your
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So, think about what that means.
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If you are your atoms, then you've
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many times. The physical stuff of you
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has been completely replaced over and
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like a river that keeps flowing
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while the riverbed stays the same shape.
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The Greeks had a name for this puzzle.
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If you replace every plank of a ship one
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is it still the same ship?
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It's a great thought experiment,
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but here's what I didn't fully
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appreciate until I read Hossenfelder's
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It isn't a thought experiment.
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It's your actual biology.
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It's happening to you right now.
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You are the ship of Theseus.
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You remember your childhood.
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You recognize your face in the mirror.
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What exactly is this you?
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If you'd asked a physicist this question
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[music] 400 years ago,
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well, you wouldn't have because the word
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physicist didn't exist yet.
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But if you'd asked a natural
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philosopher, they would have had a ready
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You have a soul, an immaterial
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Descartes called it res cogitans, the
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thinking thing, that exists alongside
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but is not made of physical stuff.
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Your body is a machine.
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Your soul [music] is the driver.
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If you ask a physicist this question
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today, the official answer is very
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The official answer is
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there is no you above and beyond your
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You are what your atoms do.
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Consciousness, the feeling of being you,
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is something the brain produces, the way
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a kidney produces urine or a stomach
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It's a biological function.
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A very complicated one, sure,
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but ultimately, in principle,
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reducible to physics and chemistry.
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This view is called physicalism or
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And for most of the 20th century,
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[music] it was the only view a
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respectable scientist could hold.
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To question it was to risk your career.
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To suggest otherwise was to be branded a
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But here's what I want you to remember,
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because I'll come back to this.
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Remember this moment. The official view
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is that consciousness is produced by the
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Keep that in your pocket. We're going to
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Because first, I need to tell you about
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and the 400-year-old mistake that made
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modern science possible
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and possibly broke it forever.
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In 1623, Galileo Galilei did something
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It's not what you think. I'm not talking
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about dropping balls off the Tower of
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Pisa or pointing a telescope at Jupiter.
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I'm talking about something much more
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profound and much more consequential for
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the question of whether you have a soul.
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In 1623, Galileo published a book called
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And in it, he made a declaration that
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would change the trajectory of human
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He declared that from now on, the
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language of science would be
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size, shape, location, motion.
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These were the properties of the real
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These were what science would study.
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But notice what got left out.
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the warmth of the sun on your face,
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the ache you feel when someone you love
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all the qualities of experience,
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everything that makes it feel like
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something to be alive.
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Galileo explicitly moved those out of
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the physical world and into
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He said these qualities don't really
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exist in the objects themselves.
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They exist in the perceiver.
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The lemon isn't actually yellow.
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Your mind [music] makes it yellow.
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The rose doesn't actually smell sweet.
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Your mind constructs the sweetness.
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This was Galileo's deal with the devil.
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It worked brilliantly.
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By stripping all subjective qualities
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out of the physical world, Galileo gave
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us a world we could measure.
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A world we could mathematize.
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A world we could build equations about.
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And from those equations came
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Newton's laws, electromagnetism,
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The entire edifice of modern science and
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technology was built on Galileo's move.
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The philosopher Philip Goff at Durham
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University in England
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>> wrote an entire book about this called
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And his argument is devastating.
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The reason science can't explain
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consciousness isn't that it hasn't
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gotten around to it yet.
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It's that science was explicitly
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designed from the very beginning 400
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to exclude consciousness from its
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The hard problem of consciousness isn't
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a gap in our knowledge.
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It's a hole we deliberately drilled into
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the foundations of the building.
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And now we're living in the building,
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looking at the hole,
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and wondering why there's a draft.
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Sounds like nonsense, I know.
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Let me make it more concrete.
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Imagine a neuroscientist,
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the best neuroscientist who ever lived.
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She has a brain scanner so powerful, it
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can track every single neuron in your
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every electrical impulse,
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every molecular interaction,
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all in real time. She knows everything,
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literally everything
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about the physical state of your brain
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at any given moment.
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She can tell you which neurons are
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firing when you see the color red.
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She can predict to the millisecond
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when you'll feel a twinge of sadness.
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She can map every chemical cascade that
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accompanies your experience of falling
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But here's the question.
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Can she tell you what red looks like?
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Not which neurons fire. She already
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can she know the experience of red?
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If she'd been blind from birth,
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if she'd never once experienced the
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could all that neuroscience,
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all that perfect information about brain
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give her that experience?
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and this is not controversial among
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this is something even committed
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materialists generally concede,
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She would know everything about the
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and she would still not know what red
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looks like. There is something about
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subjective experience that isn't
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captured in the objective physical
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This is what the philosopher Thomas
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Nagel was getting at in 1974
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"What is it like to be a bat?"
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You can know everything about bat sonar,
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the frequency of the sound waves, the
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neural processing, the behavioral
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outputs, and you still won't know what
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it [music] feels like to experience the
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world through echolocation.
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That, what it feels like,
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that's the hard problem.
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And it has been the hard problem for a
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Longer than you'd think.
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Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz imagined a
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Suppose you could shrink yourself down
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and walk inside a brain the way you'd
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You'd see gears turning, mechanisms
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clicking, parts moving.
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But no matter how carefully you looked,
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you would never see a thought.
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You would never see a feeling.
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You'd see the machinery. You'd never
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find the experience. 150 years later,
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Thomas Henry Huxley, Darwin's most
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fierce defender, a man who had zero
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patience for mysticism,
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wrote that the appearance of
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consciousness from brain activity is
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just as mysterious as the appearance of
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the genie when Aladdin rubbed his lamp.
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David Chalmers, an Australian
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philosopher with rockstar hair and a
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gave the problem a name.
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He called it the hard problem of
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And he drew a line that has never been
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Explaining which brain processes [music]
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correlate with consciousness is the easy
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Not easy in practice, just easy in
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It's the kind of problem that more data,
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more scanning, more computing power
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The hard problem is explaining why any
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of this neural activity is accompanied
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by subjective experience at all.
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Why isn't it all just information
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processing in the dark?
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Why is there a light on inside? Pay
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close attention to this next part
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because it tells you something important
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about where we stand.
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In 1998, the neuroscientist Kristof Koch
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made a bet with David Chalmers.
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Koch was working closely with Francis
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Crick, yes, the DNA guy,
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and they were both convinced that
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consciousness would yield to standard
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Koch bet Chalmers a case of fine wine
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that within 25 years, by 2023,
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researchers would discover the neural
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mechanism of consciousness.
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The physical signature,
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the thing that makes the lights come on.
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Brain scanning technology advanced
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beyond anything Koch could have imagined
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whole-brain connectomics,
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billions of dollars in research funding,
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thousands of papers published.
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And in June of 2023,
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at the annual meeting of the Association
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for the Scientific Study of
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Consciousness in New York,
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Koch walked onto the stage and handed
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Chalmers a case of wine.
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He'd lost. It wasn't even close.
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Not only had the mechanism not been
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discovered, the two leading theories of
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consciousness that were tested in a
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collaborative experiment had both failed
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to make the predictions they needed to
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Science was not incrementally closer to
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Some researchers openly wondered whether
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it had been asking the right question.
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Koch and Chalmers doubled down.
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They made another bet.
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Same terms, another 25 years.
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I'll be quite old by then.
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I hope I'm around to see who wins.
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But here's the thing that should bother
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It's been 400 years since Galileo.
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It's been 300 since Leibniz walked into
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We have the most powerful tools for
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studying [music] the brain in human
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And we are, by essentially any honest
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assessment, no closer to understanding
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why there is a you watching the neurons
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fire than Leibniz was in 1714. Unless,
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and this is where it starts to get
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genuinely unsettling,
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we've been looking at the problem from
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[music] the wrong direction entirely.
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Let's go back to the dying.
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Alexander Batthyany is a professor of
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theoretical psychology in Vienna and
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For years, he has been quietly
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collecting and systematizing something
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that the medical profession had mostly
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treated as anecdotal curiosity.
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Cases of terminal lucidity.
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People with severe dementia,
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people whose brains were, by every
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objective measure, incapable of
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producing coherent thought, suddenly
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becoming fully lucid in the hours or
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His work, published with Bruce Greyson
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in Psychology of Consciousness in 2021,
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was one of the first systematic academic
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And what he found was striking.
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This isn't a once-in-a-blue-moon
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His data suggested that a significant
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minority of dementia patients experience
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Some for minutes, some for hours. Some,
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and these are the cases that really get
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full verbal fluency,
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in brains where the physical substrate
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for all of those things had been
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measured, scanned, and confirmed to be
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severely damaged or absent.
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Now, I want to be fair here.
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I want to steel man the skeptical
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position, because it's the position most
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neuroscientists still hold, and it's not
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The skeptical explanation goes something
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We don't fully understand the brain's
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resilience and redundancy.
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Maybe there are neural pathways we
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Maybe the brain has a capacity for
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like traffic rerouting around a closed
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that can briefly restore function even
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in severely damaged tissue.
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There's a 2024 study suggesting that
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fluctuations in amyloid beta
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might temporarily clear enough neural
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noise to allow fleeting cognitive
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It's not magic, it's just biology we
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don't understand yet.
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And that's a fair response.
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I take it seriously.
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But here's what makes me uneasy.
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If it were just terminal lucidity,
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I could file it under biology is
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complicated and move on.
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But it's not just terminal lucidity.
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a team at the University of Michigan,
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led by Jimo Borjigin, published a study
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in the Proceedings of the National
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Academy of Sciences that made
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international headlines.
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They'd been monitoring the brains of
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patients in intensive care.
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Patients who were comatose,
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unresponsive, and ultimately determined
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to be beyond medical help.
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When life support was withdrawn,
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EEG monitors were still running.
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And in two of the four patients, as
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their hearts stopped, as their brains
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the monitors recorded a massive surge of
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organized gamma wave activity. Gamma
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waves, the fastest oscillations the
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are the very same brain waves most
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strongly associated [music] with
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conscious awareness in healthy people.
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And this surge didn't happen everywhere.
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It happened in what consciousness
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researchers call the hot zone,
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the junction between the temporal,
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parietal, and occipital lobes at the
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The exact area correlated with dreaming,
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visual hallucinations, and altered
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states of consciousness in other
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Let me say that again.
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As the brain was shutting down,
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as the machinery was failing,
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as the factory was going dark,
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there was a surge of the specific kind
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of organized electrical activity
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associated with the highest states of
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conscious awareness.
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George Mashour, the founding director of
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the Michigan Center for Consciousness
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Science, called it a neuroscientific
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And that's a very measured, very careful
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But I think what he meant was,
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this doesn't [music] make sense. Not if
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the brain generates consciousness the
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way we think it does.
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Not if consciousness is what the brain
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I'll give you a few seconds to let that
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Okay. So, here's where I need to
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introduce an analogy that might sound
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mystical, but is actually quite precise.
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And I need you to hold your skepticism
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in check for about 3 minutes because the
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person who formalized this idea is not a
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He's a computer scientist from CERN.
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In 1954, Aldous Huxley, the novelist,
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the man who wrote Brave New World,
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published a small book called The Doors
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It was about his experiences with
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But buried in it was an idea that Huxley
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borrowed from the philosopher Henri
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Bergson and from William James, the
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father of American psychology.
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What if the brain doesn't generate
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What if instead the brain filters it?
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The metaphor is a radio.
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Your radio doesn't generate [music] the
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music. The music, the signal,
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is already out there
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in the electromagnetic spectrum,
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flooding [snorts] the room whether the
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What the radio does is tune, select, and
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channel a particular frequency into
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something you can hear.
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If you smash the radio, the music
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doesn't cease to exist.
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You just can't hear it anymore.
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Now, I know what you're thinking. This
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sounds like new-age word salad.
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I thought the same thing when I first
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It sounds like something someone says
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right before they try to sell you a
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But bear with me here because the person
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who has taken this intuition and turned
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it into a rigorous philosophical
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framework is not selling crystals.
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Bernardo Kastrup holds two PhDs,
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one in computer engineering specializing
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in artificial intelligence and
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reconfigurable computing,
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and one in philosophy
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focusing on ontology and philosophy of
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He worked as a researcher at CERN, the
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European Organization for Nuclear
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[music] Research, the place that found
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He co-founded a parallel processing
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company [music] that was acquired by
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He worked as a technology strategist at
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ASML, which is arguably the most
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important technology company most people
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have never heard of.
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They make the machines that make the
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This is not a mystic. This is someone
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who has spent 30 years in the hardest,
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most empirical, most technically
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demanding environments on Earth, and who
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has concluded, through logic, not faith,
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that the mainstream scientific picture
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of consciousness is wrong.
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Kastrup's position is called analytic
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idealism, and the core claim is
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breathtaking in its simplicity and
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terrifying in its implications.
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consciousness is not produced by matter.
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Consciousness is all there is. What we
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call the physical world, atoms,
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molecules, brains, stars, galaxies,
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is what consciousness looks like from
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It's the external appearance of inner
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Your brain is not a generator of your
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Your brain is what your mind looks like
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when observed by another mind.
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I know. I know how that sounds.
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Let me make it more concrete.
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Imagine you're looking at a brain scan.
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You see neurons firing in a particular
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That pattern is correlated with the
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person reporting that they see red.
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Now, the standard interpretation is the
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neurons firing cause the experience of
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The brain produces consciousness.
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But Kastrup points out that there's
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another interpretation.
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One that is equally consistent with all
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The experience of seeing red
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and the neurons firing
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seen from two different perspectives.
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The experience is what it's like from
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The brain scan is what it looks like
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Neither one causes the other. They're
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two views of one reality.
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And what is that one reality?
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Subjectivity itself.
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Not your individual consciousness.
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Something that Kastrup calls mind at
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And your individual mind, your sense of
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with your memories and personality and
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is what happens when a portion of this
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universal consciousness becomes
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dissociated from the whole.
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Your brain doesn't generate your mind.
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Your brain is the boundary of your mind.
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It's the mechanism by which a segment of
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universal consciousness
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>> gets walled off into the experience of
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being a particular person in a
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Kastrup's most provocative analogy comes
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from clinical psychology.
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Dissociative identity disorder,
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what used to be called multiple
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personality disorder,
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is a condition where one mind fragments
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into multiple apparently separate
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Each alter has its own memories,
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sometimes even its own physiological
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responses, but they're all happening
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Castrup's argument is the universe works
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dissociated into billions of apparently
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separate experiencers.
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maybe, and this is where it really gets
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the tree outside your window.
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And here's the thing that stops me from
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dismissing this as philosophy gone mad.
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If Castrup is right, then terminal
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lucidity makes perfect sense.
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Death isn't the extinction of
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It's the end of the dissociation.
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The boundary dissolves.
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And just before it dissolves,
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just before the filter fails completely,
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the full signal comes flooding through.
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One last, brilliant, perfect broadcast.
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Not because the broken TV suddenly fixed
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but because the TV was never generating
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Now, you might stop me here.
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You might say, "This is beautiful, but
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Where's the evidence?
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Where are the equations?
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What does this predict that physicalism
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doesn't?" And that's a legitimate
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objection. It's the right objection.
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So, let me take you somewhere you might
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Let me take you to the world of plants.
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Michael Pollan, remember the book that
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started all of this? Devotes a
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significant portion of A World Appears
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to what he calls plant neurobiologists.
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These are researchers studying something
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Plants appear to solve problems.
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Not as a flowery way of describing
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They demonstrate behavior that in an
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animal we would call decision-making.
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They communicate with each other through
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chemical signals and some researchers
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believe through underground fungal
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They allocate resources strategically.
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A 2014 study showed that that Mimosa
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Pudica, the sensitive plant that folds
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its leaves when touched, could learn to
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stop responding to a stimulus that
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wasn't actually harmful and could
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remember this lesson for weeks.
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Plants have no neurons. They have no
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They have no nervous system.
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And yet they exhibit behavior that
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functionally [music] looks like
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Now, the mainstream interpretation is
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that this is all explicable through
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No consciousness required.
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But then you have to answer, where do
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How complex does the biochemistry have
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to get before consciousness switches on?
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Is there a threshold?
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A magic number of neurons?
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In April 2024, something unprecedented
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A group of prominent scientists and
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philosophers gathered at New York
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University and signed what became known
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as the New York Declaration on Animal
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Among the signatories, neuroscientist
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neuroscientist Christof Koch,
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philosopher David Chalmers.
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The declaration stated that there is
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strong scientific evidence for conscious
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experience in all mammals and birds
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and a realistic possibility of
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consciousness in all vertebrates
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plus cephalopods, crustaceans, and
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We're talking about bees,
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In 2022, researchers at Queen Mary
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University of London observed bumblebees
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playing with small wooden balls,
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pushing them around, rolling them,
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If a bumblebee can play,
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if there is something it is like to be a
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then consciousness is not a late
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sophisticated add-on that evolution
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bolted on to complex brains.
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It's something much more fundamental.
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Something that might go all the way
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And this is where we meet Giulio Tononi.
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Tononi is a neuroscientist at the
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University of Wisconsin-Madison
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and he has spent his career trying to do
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something audacious.
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Mathematize consciousness.
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His framework is called integrated
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information [music] theory or IIT.
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And the core idea is this.
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Any system that [music] integrates
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information in a certain way,
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a way he quantifies with a value called
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has some degree of conscious experience.
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A human brain has very high phi.
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>> A thermostat has some.
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An electron might have a vanishingly
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But the number is never exactly zero.
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If IIT is right, and I should say it's
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hugely controversial and the adversarial
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tests in 2023 were inconclusive.
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But if it's even approximately right,
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then consciousness isn't something
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Brains merely amplify something that was
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Something woven into the fabric of
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Sounds insane, right?
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And yet, and this is the part that made
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me put the book down and stare at the
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This is exactly what some of the most
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prominent physicists of the 20th century
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Arthur Eddington, the man who confirmed
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Einstein's general relativity, wrote in
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that the stuff of the world is mind
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Erwin Schrödinger, Schrödinger, the man
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with a cat, one of the founders of
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wrote that consciousness is a singular
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of which the plural is unknown.
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There is only one consciousness, he
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said. What seems like a multiplicity of
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selves is an illusion.
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You might not have noticed, but we just
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We started this video asking whether you
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We've now arrived at a place where
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serious scientists, Nobel laureates,
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researchers at the most elite
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institutions on Earth are suggesting
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that consciousness might not be
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something your brain produces.
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It might be something your brain
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or carves out from something larger.
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But, here's where it gets really [music]
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Because there's one more piece of this
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and it comes from a place you wouldn't
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The philosophy of physics itself.
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Let me take you back to Sabine
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Hossenfelder. She's a theoretical
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physicist based in Munich, and she wrote
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a book called Existential Physics that
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I've talked about before on this
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channel. One of the key ideas in her
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book, one that she treats with great
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care because she's a physicalist
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herself, she's not trying to prove the
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soul exists, is the concept of strong
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In most of science, when complex things
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happen, they can in principle be
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explained [music] by their parts.
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Water flows downhill because of how its
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molecules interact with gravity.
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A hurricane forms because of how heat,
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moisture, and air pressure work
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This is called weak emergence.
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The complex behavior of the whole is
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surprising, but ultimately derivable
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from the behavior of the parts if you
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knew enough about them.
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Strong emergence is different.
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Strong emergence is when genuinely new
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properties arise at a higher level.
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Properties that cannot, even in
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principle, be predicted from or reduced
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to the behavior of the parts.
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Not because of our ignorance, but
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because something genuinely new has come
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into existence. [music]
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Something that wasn't there before.
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Something that isn't just a
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rearrangement of what was already there.
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Science has never definitively confirmed
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a case of strong emergence.
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It's one of those ideas that makes most
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because it would mean that the
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reductionist program,
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the idea that you can explain everything
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by breaking it down into smaller and
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smaller pieces, has a boundary.
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A point beyond which breaking things
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But consciousness is the single most
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plausible candidate for strong emergence
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Because here's what we've established.
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You can know everything about the atoms.
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You can know everything about the
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You can know every single physical fact
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And you still don't have the experience.
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You still don't have the redness of red.
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You still don't have the ache of grief
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or the warmth of love.
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let's just call it something for now
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that is not captured in the parts. If
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strong emergence is real, then the Nobel
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Prize winning physicist Philip Warren
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Anderson's famous line applies.
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And what that would mean is
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It would mean that your consciousness,
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that you that persists even though your
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that you that watches the neurons fire,
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that you that is watching this video
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would be a genuine addition to the
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Not merely a rearrangement of existing
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Something ontologically new.
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Something as real as gravity.
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Something that, yes,
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you could call a soul
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if you wanted to use that word
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without being unscientific.
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And this is the point in the video where
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Because I've been framing this as a
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About whether you have a soul.
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About whether there's something more to
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you than your atoms.
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But that's not actually what this is
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about. What this is really about is
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whether science, the most powerful tool
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humanity has ever created for
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understanding reality,
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And whether that blind spot is precisely
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the thing that's using the tool.
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Let me explain what I mean.
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Stephen Hawking once asked a question
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that almost nobody talks about.
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"What breathes fire into the equations?"
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Physics gives us equations, beautiful
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equations, equations that describe with
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extraordinary precision how matter and
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the Schrödinger equation, the Einstein
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these are the finest achievements of
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They tell us exactly what matter does,
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but they don't tell us what matter is.
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Tim Palmer, a physicist at Oxford, puts
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it this way, and I'm drawing here from
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Hossenfelder's book.
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Mathematics describes the behavior of
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reality, but it does not describe the
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An equation can tell you that a particle
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will be at a certain position at a
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certain time. It cannot tell you what
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the particle is made of,
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not at the deepest level.
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At the deepest level, physics describes
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relationships and structures and
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What the stuff actually is underneath
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And here's the devastating implication.
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Maybe what the stuff is
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Maybe the fire in the equations, the
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thing that makes the mathematical
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relationships real rather than just
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abstract structures floating in platonic
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is consciousness itself.
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Maybe, as Kastrup argues,
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what we call the physical world is the
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external face of an inner reality.
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And maybe that inner reality is the only
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thing any of us has ever actually
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encountered directly.
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Think about it. What do you know for
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I don't mean what do you believe.
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I don't mean what science tells you.
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I mean, what do you know with absolute
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unshakable certainty?
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You know that you are having an
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experience right now. You know that
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there is something it is like to be you
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You might be wrong about everything
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You might be a brain in a vat.
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The universe might be a simulation.
44:40
Other people might be philosophical
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zombies with no inner life.
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But the one thing you cannot doubt,
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the one thing that is immune to every
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skeptical argument ever devised,
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is that you are conscious.
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That there is experience happening.
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Descartes was wrong about almost
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But he was right about this.
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I think, therefore, I am.
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therefore, something exists.
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And here's the paradox,
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the deep structural paradox that I think
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is the actual point of everything we've
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The one thing you know most certainly to
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your own inner experience,
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is the one thing science treats as most
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in need of explanation.
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It's the one thing science struggles
45:46
hardest to account for. It's the one
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thing that falls through the gap that
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Galileo opened 400 years ago.
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Science doesn't have a soul problem.
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Science has a self problem.
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The instrument can't see itself.
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I need to be honest with you.
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I don't know the answer.
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I don't know if Kastrup is right that
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consciousness is fundamental.
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I don't know if IIT's math will
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I don't know if terminal lucidity is
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evidence of the brain's hidden
46:28
or evidence of something far stranger.
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I don't even know if the hard problem is
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or if we'll look back in a hundred years
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and wonder what the fuss was about.
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The way we look back at vitalism,
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the old belief that living things were
46:45
animated by a special life force that
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Maybe consciousness will go the same
46:55
Maybe it's just neurons. Maybe the
46:58
explanatory gap will close and we'll
47:00
understand exactly how and why 3 lb of
47:05
produce the experience of seeing a
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But here's what I do know
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and what I think is genuinely important.
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As of right now, in 2026,
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the question is open.
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Not open in the way that is there life
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where we're just waiting for more data.
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Open in a deeper, more structural way.
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Open in the way that the foundations are
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The most informed, most intelligent,
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most rigorous people who study this,
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Koch, Chalmers, Tononi, Kastrup, Goff,
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Hassenfelder, Pollen in his own way,
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disagree not just about the answer,
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but about what kind of answer is even
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And the direction of the disagreement
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20 years ago, the serious money was on
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The brain generates consciousness, end
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Give us enough computing power and we'll
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Today, the most interesting work in the
48:12
field is happening at the margins of
48:14
that consensus. Serious scientists,
48:17
published, credentialed, peer-reviewed,
48:21
are entertaining ideas that would have
48:22
been academic poison a generation ago.
48:32
fundamental consciousness,
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not as wishful thinking,
48:39
but as hypotheses that might actually do
48:41
a better job of accounting for the
48:43
evidence than the standard story.
48:46
And terminal lucidity sits right at the
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Because it's not a philosophical thought
48:54
It's not an argument about qualia or
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zombie worlds or Mary's room.
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It's a dying woman sitting up in bed
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after years of silence and calling her
49:08
And it demands an explanation.
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And the explanation has to be more than
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"Brains are complicated."
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I want to end with something quiet.
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There's a sculpture outside the British
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It's 12 ft tall, bronze,
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bolted together at the joints so you can
49:29
see the seams. It depicts Isaac Newton,
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hunched over, naked, drawing geometric
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figures on a scroll with a compass.
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His eyes are copied from Michelangelo's
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but he's not looking outward.
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He's not gazing at the stars.
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He's staring down at his diagrams.
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The sculpture was made by Eduardo
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and it's based on a print by William
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He thought that reducing nature to
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mathematics was a form of spiritual
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A man so focused on measuring the
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universe that he couldn't see it.
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Blake's original title was Newton,
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personification of man limited by
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The scientist sits at the bottom of the
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ocean surrounded by beauty
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and sees nothing but his compass and his
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I used to think Blake was wrong.
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Science has given us more wonder, more
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more genuine understanding of the
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universe than any mystical tradition
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I still believe that.
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But now I'm not sure Blake was entirely
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Maybe the sculpture isn't just an
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insult. Maybe it's a warning.
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A warning that the most powerful
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instrument we have ever built for
50:54
understanding reality has a blind spot.
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A structural blind spot
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drilled into its foundations [music] 400
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years ago by a genius who needed to
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simplify the world in order to measure
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And the blind spot is not some distant
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galaxy or some particle too small to
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The blind spot is the one thing that's
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[music] looking through the instrument.
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And maybe that's what a soul is.
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Not a ghost in the machine.
51:31
Not an invisible substance hovering
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But the one piece of reality that is
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real beyond all doubt.
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That no equation has ever captured.
51:43
That no brain scan has ever seen.
51:49
reading meaning into these words right
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Science can't prove you have one.
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It also can't prove you don't.
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And the reasons it can't
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might be the most important thing
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science has ever failed to explain.