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welcome to another deep dive and this
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time we're diving into the world of
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ibben Cena iban Cena ibben Cena you know
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how EV yeah abis well both yeah we're
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going to be looking at um the book of
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healing okay specifically the
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metaphysics section now you know the
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title of the book of healing kind of
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makes it sound like it's uh you know all
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about medicine right but this book is uh
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it's really more like a a big
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Encyclopedia of uh philosophy and and
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science it really I mean iban Cena was a
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a true polymath oh yeah I mean he was a
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physician philosopher astronomer all all
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in the 11th century wow really
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impressive yeah and and the book of
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healing just reflects that broad uh
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knowledge you know covering logic
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Natural Sciences psychology metaphysics
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you name it and and that's where we're
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focusing our um our Deep dive today so
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the metaphysics section it's uh iban
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Cena grapples with some some pretty big
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questions here like like what does it
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mean for something to exist right what
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is the soul what is the nature of God
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exactly all the big ones and you know
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these are questions that people have
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been asking forever but but IM Zena he
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brings this this really unique
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perspective to them uh kind of blending
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uh Aristotelian philosophy with Islamic
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theology okay cool let's let's unpack
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that a little bit um one of the first
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things that that really struck me was uh
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I's idea of of wujud this concept of
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finding or occurring right as being a
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IAL for something to exist yeah so it's
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not enough for something to just you
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know be an idea or a concept it has to
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actually you know be out there in the
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world in some way exactly it has to it
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has to be realized to become actualized
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and and you know when I was thinking
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about that it it kind of it makes you
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think about you know our own lives and
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you know how we're always we're always
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in this process of becoming right like
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constantly um shaped by the choices we
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make and the experiences we have right
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we're never we're never really a
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finished product we're always unfolding
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and and that actually connects to to a a
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really important distinction that even
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Seena makes between Essence and
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existence okay and we we've talked about
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this a little bit before but but Essence
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is like the whatness of something it's
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it's the concept okay whereas existence
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is its actual being in the world so like
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okay so a unicorn okay a unicorn has an
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Essence but it doesn't it doesn't have
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existence in the real world right like
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it's a concept exactly it's an idea it's
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not a reality but not something that we
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encounter walking down the street right
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right right and and imena takes this
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decision even further he argues that
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that only God possesses an Essence
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that's identical to existence okay in
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other words God just is God just is so
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so God's existence is necessary while
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everything else is is dependent on
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something else to exist exactly okay so
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it's like this chain of causes and
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effects kind of makes you think about
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our place in the grand steam of things
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doesn't it it really does and this this
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whole idea of a chain of causality leads
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us to another really fascinating Concept
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in iban Cena's metaphysics which is the
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soul the soul yeah he defines the soul
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as the uh first Perfection of a natural
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organic body kind of drawing on on
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Aristotle's ideas here okay now what
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exactly does that mean is it like is it
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like saying that our soul is what what
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animates us what what gives us life
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that's a great way to put it for I Cena
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the soul is like the the principle of
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our ability to move to sense to think to
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to experience the world it's what makes
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us living beings okay okay but here's
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here's where gets really interesting
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okay um Ian Cena distinguishes between
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the animal soul and the human soul right
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he's saying there's a a part of us
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that's that's tied to our physical body
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right and then there's this this other
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part this uh rational thinking part that
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that he believes is Immortal exactly
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he's saying that the human Soul uh with
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its its capacity for reason and
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understanding it it continues to exist
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even after the body dies okay so how
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does he support that idea because the
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the concept of an immortal Soul that's
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that's a pretty big claim it is a big
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claim and and iban CA uses a a really
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interesting argument based on the Soul's
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Simplicity Simplicity yeah he says the
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soul is indivisible okay meaning it
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can't be broken down into Parts okay and
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because it's indivisible he argues it
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can't be destroyed okay that's that's
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pretty mind-blowing so if our souls
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can't be destroyed where where do they
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go after death does does Ian Cena have
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any thoughts on that he did he he
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believed in a in a realm of pure
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intellect a place where souls go after
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death to to contemplate the Divine to
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contemplate the Divine okay but before
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we get into into the Afterlife um I I
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have to ask sure what exactly did did
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iban Cena mean by by the soul being
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rational what what makes it different
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from the from the animal Soul well for
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imy rationality was like the defining
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characteristic of the human soul okay
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it's our ability to think abstractly to
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to engage in in logical reasoning and
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and to to grasp these these Universal
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Concepts that's what sets us apart from
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from other living beings so so it's
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almost like our superpower in a way yes
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this this ability to reason to to
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understand to to connect with something
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beyond our immediate physical experience
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absolutely and it's it's directly
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connected to iban Cena's views on
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knowledge okay he believed that true
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knowledge comes from the active
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intellect active intellect which he
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describes as as a a Divine emanation
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that eliminates our minds okay so let's
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let's break that down a little the the
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active intellect that's that's kind of
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like a a direct connection to a higher
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source of wisdom it is it's like our
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minds are being uh illuminated by this
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this Divine Light okay and through this
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this connection with the active
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intellect uh we can grasp eternal truths
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and and ultimately come closer to
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understanding God I see so so through
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our our rational Souls Guided by this
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this Divine Light we we acquire true
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knowledge and it's this this pursuit of
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knowledge that that leads us closer to
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God precisely okay makes sense and that
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actually brings us to another really
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fascinating dimension of in Cena's
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thought right he believed that that the
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closer we move towards God towards
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Perfection the closer we move towards
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true happiness okay so for IM true
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happiness isn't about you know material
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wealth or worldly success right it's
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it's about aligning ourselves with with
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the Divine will about pursuing knowledge
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and virtue exactly it's about this this
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journey of the Soul towards towards
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understanding and Enlightenment that's
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that's a powerful idea it is a powerful
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idea it it makes you kind of rethink you
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know how we define success in our own
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lives doesn't it absolutely what are we
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what are we really striving for yeah but
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you know emena talks a lot about this
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Journey towards God and that kind of
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raises a question for me what what
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exactly is his concept of God how how
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did he understand the Divine well that's
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a that's a really great question and it
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it kind of leades into some of the most
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complex parts of Inca's metaphysics okay
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um he he drew heavily on Islamic
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theology describing God as the necessary
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being the necessary being right the one
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the one whose Essence and existence are
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are identical so God just eyes exactly
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there's no there's no separation
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between between God's concept and and
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God's being right I mean it's it's hard
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to wrap my head around that it is I mean
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how how can we with with our limited
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human Minds even begin to to comprehend
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something so utterly beyond our our
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experience well ibben Cena gives us some
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tools he describes God through um what
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are called negative attributes netive
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attributes so so basically outlining
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what God is not okay in order to kind of
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approach what God is back I think I read
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somewhere that that trying to describe
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God is like like trying to describe the
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Sun by by talking about the Shadows it
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casts that's a that's a great analogy
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yeah I it says that God is not Material
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not limited by space or or time not
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subject to change or division so God is
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is pure absolute Eternal that's that's a
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lot to take in it is but but Edina says
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that that we can you know through
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through reason and contemplation we can
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come to know some some fundamental
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truths about about God right so so like
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what what are some things we can know
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about the Divine well for example um
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even Cena he demonstrates God's
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existence through a a really famous
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proof uh called the proof of the
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truthful the proof of the truthful never
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heard of that one yeah it it starts with
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a premise that we all have this this
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innate awareness of our own existence
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okay so like I know that I exist I think
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therefore I am right exactly okay and
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from this simple truth even Cena builds
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his argument he says that because we are
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contingent beings contingent beings
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meaning our our existence depends on
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something else okay there must be a
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necessary being a necessary on which all
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existence ultimately depends okay so so
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if I need something else to exist and
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and that something else needs something
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else and and so on and so on there has
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to be something at the the very
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beginning of that chain that doesn't
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need anything else something that just
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is exactly and that necessary being
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source of all existence is what Ian Cena
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calls God that's right that's a that's a
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pretty powerful argument it is and it
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seems like it's it's based on on logic
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and reason not not just Blind Faith yeah
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that's one of the most remarkable things
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about iban Cena yeah he he brings
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together uh philosophical reasoning and
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and Theological Concepts right in a way
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that's both profound and and
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intellectually stimulating it's making
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me rethink this whole idea of of Faith
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versus reason MH maybe they're not so
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opposed after all yeah that's a that's a
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great Point yeah soone no if if God is
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this this ultimate cause this right this
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necessary being then then does that mean
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everything that happens is is
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predetermined do we do we have free will
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that's the big question right when you
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start talking about God as the first
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cause yeah um and and of course you know
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there are lots of different perspectives
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on this even within within Islamic
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theology okay so what's what's Ian
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does does he believe we have free will
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or is everything just just fate IM Cena
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he actually goes to Great Lengths to
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defend the idea of Free Will okay he he
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argues that while while God is the
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ultimate cause God has bestowed upon
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humans the the power of of intellect and
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choice okay so we're not we're not just
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puppets on strings right we we have the
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the ability to make our own decisions
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absolutely and and Ian Cena really
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emphasizes that we have this this moral
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responsibility to to use our intellect
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and and free will to choose good and to
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strive for knowledge and and
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understanding okay that that makes a lot
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of sense I mean it would be kind of
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pointless to talk about about a Soul's
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journey toward Perfection if we if we
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didn't have any any say in the matter
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exactly right and and this idea of of
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moral responsibility it it plays a
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central role in Ian Cena's ethics he
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believed that true happiness or udonia
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as the ancient Greeks called it comes
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from from aligning ourselves with the
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with the Divine will that's right so
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living a virtuous life making making
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choices that that reflect our our
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understanding of the Divine is is key to
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happiness and makes you think about you
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know how how we often chase after these
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these external markers of of success
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wealth status possessions when true
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fulfillment might might lie in something
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much much much deeper yeah it really
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does and and it reminds us that that
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ionia's ideas while they're they're
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grounded in in 11th century philosophy
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and theology right they still have this
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incredible relevance for for how we
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think about you know ourselves and our
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purpose and our place in the universe
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absolutely you know thinking about all
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of this it it makes me wonder about the
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the concept of of heaven and hell if if
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our souls are are constantly seeking
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seeking knowledge and striving for for
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perfection even after after what what
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does that mean for those traditional
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ideas of of reward and Punishment in the
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afterlife yeah that's a that's a really
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fascinating question yeah and it it
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leads us into some of the more mystical
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aspects of I Cena's thought okay while
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he he acknowledges the the traditional
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Islamic concepts of of heaven and hell
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he he presents them in a in a rather
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nuanced way okay he sees them not so
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much as as physical places okay but as
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as states of being okay determined by
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the the Soul's proximity to God so it's
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not it's not like there's this this
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literal fiery pit or or Pearly Gates
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exactly it's more about our our inner
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State our spiritual alignment precisely
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for for Ian Cena uh hell represents a
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state of of separation from God
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characterized by ignorance suffering and
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and spiritual darkness and and Heaven is
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the the opposite the the state of of
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closeness to God filled with with light
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and and knowledge and and joy and our
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actions in this life our our choices our
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pursuit of of knowledge and and virtue
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right all of all of these contribute to
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to determining which which state our our
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soul will ultimately inhabit that's
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right that's a that's a lot of
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responsibility it is it's like every
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decision we make has has Eternal
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consequences it's a weighty concept yeah
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but it also emphasizes the the power and
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significance of our choices yeah even
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even seemingly small acts of of kindness
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or or Compassion or seeking
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understanding right can contribute to to
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our Soul's Journey towards towards the
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Divine Light ibben Ceno really packs a
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punch you know thinking about his his
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ideas on the the soul and existence and
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God it's it's like a like a whole new
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way of of looking at the world it is and
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and that's the beauty of philosophy
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isn't it yeah it challenges us to to
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question our assumptions yeah to explore
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different different perspectives to deep
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our understanding of ourselves and and
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the universe around us I feel like my
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brain is doing push-ups right now it's
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been a pleasure to explore these
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concepts with you but there's there's
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one more thing I'm I'm curious about
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okay you know it ass signs uh proof for
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for God's existence the the proof of the
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truthful is is really intriguing but you
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know I've I've heard other Arguments for
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for the existence of god did did ibben
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Stein address any other proofs well
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actually he did in in the book of
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healing ibben presents not just one but
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several proofs for for God's existence
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several okay so tell me what are some of
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these other proofs that that iban Cena
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explores well one of the the most famous
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is his his cosmological argument
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cosmological argument which is based on
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on the idea of motion motion what does
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that have to do with god well imman Cena
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observes that that everything in the
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universe is in motion it's it's
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constantly changing right and he argues
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that that everything that's in motion
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must be put into motion by by something
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else okay so like a a ball doesn't just
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start rolling on its own somebody has to
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somebody has to kick it exactly and that
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that somebody or something else also had
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to be set in motion by something else
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and so on and so on and even Cena
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reasons that this this chain of movers
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can't go on infinitely right that has to
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be a first mover a first move something
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that's not itself in motion okay but is
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the ultimate source of all Motion in the
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and and that first mover is God that's
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that's I Cena's conclusion okay he
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argues that this first mover must be you
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know Eternal unchanging and all powerful
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right which are all all attributes
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traditionally ascribed to to God okay so
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so we've got the the proof of the
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truthful which which starts with with
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our own existence and the cosmological
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argument which which starts with the
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with the idea of motion what what other
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what other proofs does does iban Cena
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offer he also presents a a really
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fascinating argument okay based on
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contingency and necessity contingency
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and necessity it's similar to the proof
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of the truthful but it but it focuses on
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the idea that that everything in the
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universe except for God is contingent
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contingent meaning that it it depends on
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something else for its existence
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precisely Ian Cena argues that there
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must be uh something that's not
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contingent something that exists by its
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very nature without without anything
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else okay and that that necessary being
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the ground of all contingent beings is
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God okay these these arguments are are
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all pretty pretty mind-bending they are
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yeah but but I'm starting to see how how
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they all they all Point towards the same
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the same conclusion the existence of God
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M was a was a master of logic and
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reasoning and he and he used his his
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skills to to explore these these deepest
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questions about about the nature of
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reality and and the Divine that's right
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you know thinking about about I and
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Cena's um proofs it makes me wonder you
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know do do these proofs only work within
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the framework of of Islamic theology or
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or can they be you know applied to to
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other religious or philosophical
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traditions as well that's a that's a
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great question yeah and it it raises
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some really interesting points about
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about the relationship between you know
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philosophy and Theology and and
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different religious Traditions while
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while Ian sin's arguments are rooted in
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in Islamic thought okay they also you
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know draw heavily on on Ancient Greek
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philosophy particularly The Works of
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Aristotle so there's there's already a a
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kind of cross-cultural blend happening
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there absolutely and many many scholars
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argue that the the core principles of
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these proofs you know the the idea of a
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a first cause right a necessary being a
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a a source of all motion right can be
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applied and interpreted within within a
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variety of philosophical and and
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Theological systems it's it's kind of
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like different different cultures might
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might use different words and and
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metaphors but they're all grappling with
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the with the same fundamental questions
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about about the nature of existence and
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and the and the Ultimate Reality
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precisely and and that's what makes you
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know studying philosophy so enriching it
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allows us to to engage with these
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diverse perspectives to challenge our
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own assumptions and to expand our our
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understanding of the world this deep
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dive has definitely expanded my thinking
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I I feel like I've I've learned so much
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about about Ian Cena and his ideas and
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the and the enduring power of a
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philosophical inquiry it's it's been a
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pleasure to explore these these concepts
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with you but you know there's there's
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just one more thing that that I'm I'm
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wondering about you know Ian Cena talks
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a lot about about the importance of of
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knowledge and understanding but he but
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he was also a physician right deeply
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deeply concerned with the well-being of
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the body I'm wondering if if if he saw a
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a connection between the the health of
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the body okay and the health of the Soul
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yeah that's a that's a really
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interesting connection yeah you're
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you're right to point out that Ian Cena
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wasn't just a philosopher he was also a
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physician and he understood the human
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body really well and yeah he absolutely
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believed there was a connection between
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physical well-being and and spiritual
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well-being so he wasn't saying like you
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know neglect your body and just focus on
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on these intellectual Pursuits no not at
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all for the body and soul were they were
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intertwined he believed that the health
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of the body could actually like directly
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impact the Soul's ability to function at
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its best to to seek knowledge to strive
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for spiritual growth yeah that makes
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sense it's hard to like focus on on
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these deep philosophical questions if
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you're you know if you're exhausted or
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you're feeling unwell you know your your
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mind just isn't working at its full
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potential exactly Ian Cena really
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emphasized the importance of of a
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healthy lifestyle you know he advocated
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for things like like proper diet
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exercise enough sleep he even believed
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that certain foods and herbs could have
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a positive impact on the on the Soul's
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faculties wow so he was a real proponent
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of this holistic view of Health taking
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care of the body to nourish the soul
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exactly for Ian Cena the pursuit of
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knowledge and and spiritual growth
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wasn't this this kind of abstract
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disconnected Pursuit it was very much
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you know woven into our everyday lives
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and and really dependent on how we cared
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for our physical selves yeah it's like
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he's saying that self-care isn't just
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about you know pampering yourself it's
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it's about creating the the best
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possible conditions for your soul to
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thrive that's a that's a great way to
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put it it's about recognizing that
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interconnectedness of our our physical
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and our spiritual Dimensions you know
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this this whole conversation about iban
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Cena has has really made me think about
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you know how how much his ideas can
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impact the way the way we live our lives
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the way we make decisions the way we
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treat ourselves it's it's not just
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theoretical it's it's really applicable
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That's The Power of of studying these
21:31
these great thinkers right they offers
21:33
not just abstract Concepts but but real
21:35
insights that can that can guide us to
21:38
to live more meaningful and and
21:39
fulfilling lives thinking about about IB
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Cena's emphasis on the Soul's Journey it
21:45
it makes me think about another concept
21:46
we often hear in in spiritual
21:49
Traditions Enlightenment or or mystical
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Union with the Divine I I'm wondering is
21:55
that something that that Ian Cena
21:56
explored that's a great question and it
21:58
it takes us into some of the more uh
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mystical aspects of IB Cena's work while
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he was you know deeply grounded in in
22:05
logic and reason you also acknowledge
22:07
the the limitations of the intellect and
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the possibility of kind of transcending
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those limitations through through
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spiritual intuition and and direct
22:16
experience so there was room for both
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both reason and intuition in his
22:20
understanding of of the Divine
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absolutely in fact iban Cena believed
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that the highest form of knowledge the
22:26
the most profound understanding of God
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could only be attained through a kind of
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mystical illumination okay an experience
22:33
that went beyond beyond language and and
22:35
logical reasoning that sounds pretty
22:37
intense how how did he describe this
22:39
this mystical experience what what did
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it involve well he used he used various
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metaphors and analogies drawing on on
22:45
Sufi mystical traditions and and
22:47
neoplatonic philosophy he described the
22:49
Soul's Ascent to God as a a journey of
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purification and illumination a a
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shedding of the ego and emerging with
22:57
with divine light so it's like a like a
22:59
homecoming a return to to our true
23:02
Source that's a that's a beautiful way
23:03
to express it he believed this mystical
23:05
Union this this direct encounter with
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the Divine was the ultimate goal of the
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of the Soul's Journey the the source of
23:12
of true happiness and fulfillment so
23:14
we've got reason intuition and this this
23:16
mystical experience as as ways of
23:18
approaching the the Divine sounds like
23:21
there are many paths up the same
23:22
Mountain yeah it's a great analogy and
23:24
it and it points to the the richness and
23:26
complexity of IM Cena's thinking he
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offered this multifaceted approach to
23:31
understanding God recognizing that
23:32
different people might find you know
23:34
different paths more more accessible or
23:36
or meaningful to them it's incredible to
23:38
think that that Cena was writing over a
23:40
thousand years ago his his world was so
23:43
different from ours and and yet his
23:45
ideas can still resonate with us today
23:48
it it really is a testament to the the
23:50
enduring power of His of his work even
23:52
though he was you know writing in the
23:54
11th century his ideas about the soul
23:56
and existence and God have this this
23:58
remarkable resilience but can his ideas
24:01
really hold up in the 21st century in a
24:03
in a world that's that's shaped by
24:05
science and technology and and this you
24:07
know constantly evolving understanding
24:09
of the universe that's the question
24:11
isn't it and it's it's one that that
24:12
Scholars and thinkers are are still
24:14
exploring today what's fascinating is
24:17
that inside's ideas have this this
24:19
ability to to transcend time and and
24:22
cultural boundaries they they continue
24:23
to to spark debate and Inspire new ways
24:26
of of thinking do do you have an example
24:28
of of how his ideas are are relevant
24:30
today absolutely take take his concept
24:32
of the Soul as as a as a rational
24:35
immaterial substance now contemporary
24:37
Neuroscience might might offer different
24:40
explanations for things like like
24:42
Consciousness and cognition but but the
24:44
questions that IM raised about the self
24:46
about our ability to reason about the
24:47
possibility of an afterlife those
24:49
questions are still very much alive in
24:51
modern discussions about about AI about
24:54
Consciousness studies even the ethics of
24:56
Technology it's so true just just think
24:58
about the debates about about AI
25:00
sensient are are we creating machines
25:02
that can actually think and feel what
25:04
does that mean for our understanding of
25:06
of Being Human exactly mca's ideas
25:09
provide this this really rich framework
25:11
for for engaging with those those really
25:13
complex questions okay so his ideas
25:15
about the soul are still relevant what
25:17
about God does does his concept of a of
25:20
necessary being a first cause hold up in
25:22
a world where where science seems to
25:24
offer you know alternative explanations
25:26
for for the origin of the universe yeah
25:28
that's where things get really
25:29
interesting because even though modern
25:31
cosmology you know explains the big bang
25:34
and and the evolution of the universe it
25:36
doesn't necessarily rule out the the
25:39
possibility of of a Divine Creator so so
25:42
science and religion aren't necessarily
25:43
mutually exclusive not at all many many
25:46
theologians and philosophers argue that
25:48
that science explores the how of the
25:50
universe right while while religion and
25:52
spirituality grapple with the why yeah
25:55
it's like it's like science explains the
25:57
the mechanisms the the processes but it
25:59
doesn't necessarily answer the question
26:01
of of ultimate meaning or or purpose
26:03
exactly and and that's where I sin's
26:05
concept of God as the the source of all
26:08
existence the ultimate ground of being
26:11
can still resonate even even for those
26:13
who who Embrace a a scientific worldview
26:17
I'm starting to see how how I sin's
26:19
ideas can can kind of bridge the gap
26:21
between science and and spirituality it
26:24
it seems like he's saying that that
26:25
reason and Faith logic and intuition
26:27
they can they can work together to
26:29
deepen our our understanding of of
26:31
ourselves and and the universe that's a
26:34
that's a great insight and and it it
26:35
speaks to iban sa's enduring Legacy as a
26:38
as a bridge builder between different
26:40
different cultures different disciplines
26:41
different ways of knowing this deep dive
26:43
has been truly truly eye openening ibben
26:45
Cena's ideas are are challenging they're
26:48
thought-provoking and they're
26:50
surprisingly relevant to to the
26:52
questions that we're facing you know
26:54
even today it is a testament to the
26:56
power of philosophy to transcend time
26:58
and to illuminate the the deepest
27:00
questions of The Human Experience I'm
27:02
feeling inspired to to do a little more
27:04
exploration on my own what what are some
27:06
resources you'd recommend for for
27:07
someone who who wants to to delve deeper
27:09
into iben Cena's work there are some
27:11
some excellent translations and
27:13
commentaries available yeah um for for a
27:16
good introduction I would recommend the
27:18
the Stanford encyclopedia philosophy's
27:20
entry on abisa it it offers a really
27:23
clear and comprehensive overview of his
27:25
life his work and and his philosophical
27:27
system that's a great starting point and
27:30
for for listeners who want to to go
27:32
straight to the to the source material
27:34
are there any good translations of the
27:36
book of healing out there absolutely
27:38
there there are several English
27:40
translations one that's that's highly
27:43
regarded is the the Edition translated
27:45
and edited by F Ramen it covers the
27:47
metaphysics section as well as other
27:49
other key parts of this of this
27:51
Monumental work perfect I have a feeling
27:53
our listeners are going to be adding
27:54
some some books to their reading lists
27:57
after this this deep dive it's always
27:59
exciting to to discover new thinkers and
28:01
and to engage with with ideas that have
28:04
you know shaped the course of history
28:05
well said and on that note we've come to
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the end of our Deep dive into iban
28:10
Cena's the book of healing thanks so
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much for joining us on this journey of
28:14
intellectual exploration it's been a
28:16
pleasure to explore these ideas with you
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and I hope this deep dive inspires you
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to to continue your own quest for
28:22
knowledge and understanding until next
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time keep those Minds curious did you
