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Harrisburg City Council - Legislative Session 11/10/2025

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1:13

Yes, I can hear you.

1:15

>> Okay, great. Thank you.

1:17

I'd like to conduct our legislative

1:20

caucus before um calling our legislative

1:23

session to order. So, following our

1:25

caucus, I will call the meeting to

1:27

order. Mr. Humphrey will call our role.

1:31

The invocation this evening will be led

1:33

by Councilwoman Daniels who is

1:35

participating virtually. The pledge of

1:38

allegiance will be led by Councilwoman

1:40

Ross. For communications this evening,

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we have two presentations. The first uh

1:46

will be delivered by Miss Patricia

1:47

Robinson who serves as the CEO of Evolve

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Youth Trades Academy. And the second we

1:54

will be celebrating the Harrisburg baby

1:57

Cougar Smurf football team, the winners

2:00

of the CFA Smurf Bowl.

2:04

They're the champions.

2:06

We will then move to courtesy of the

2:08

floor.

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Then we will move to approval of the

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minutes for the legislative session that

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occurred on October 28th, 2025.

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We will then move to reports of

2:21

committees. I will deliver the first

2:24

report on behalf of the administration

2:26

committee on the work session of

2:28

November 3rd, 2025.

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The next report will be delivered by our

2:34

community and economic development

2:36

committee chair, Councilwoman Daniels,

2:38

on the work session of November 3rd,

2:40

2025.

2:42

The next report will be delivered by our

2:45

public safety committee chair,

2:46

Councilman Jones, on the work session of

2:49

November 3rd, 2025.

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And the final committee report will be

2:54

delivered. Well, Councilman Rodriguez,

2:57

our public works committee chair, is

2:59

absent this evening.

3:02

Uh, we have two ordinances for first

3:04

reading. Bill 10 of 2025, which will

3:08

move to the administration committee,

3:10

and bill 11 of 2025, which will also

3:14

move to the administration committee. We

3:17

do not have any ordinances for amendment

3:19

or ordinances for final passage. We will

3:22

then move to resolutions. Uh the first

3:25

resolution for consideration is

3:26

resolution 70 of 2025 which we will vote

3:30

upon. Resolution 72 of 2025 which we

3:35

will vote upon. Resolution 73 of 2025.

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We will vote upon resolution 74 of 2025.

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We will vote upon resolution 75 of 2025

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will move to the community and economic

3:52

development committee. Resolution 78 of

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2025 we will vote upon. Resolution 79 of

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2025 we will vote upon. Resolution 80 of

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2025 will move to the public works

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committee. Resolution 81 of 2025 will

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also move to the public works committee.

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Resolution 82 of 2025 will move to the

4:17

administration committee. Resolution 83

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of 2025 will move to the administration

4:23

committee. Resolution 84 of 2025 will

4:27

move to the budget and finance committee

4:29

and resolution 85 of 2025 will move to

4:33

the public safety committee. Is there

4:36

any old business for discussion? Council

4:38

members.

4:40

>> Yes. I would like to reread my statement

4:42

from last week since it's the

4:44

legislative um session, please.

4:46

>> Sure.

4:47

>> Thank you.

4:48

>> Any other old business?

4:52

>> Okay. Any new business?

4:54

>> Yes, President Hill. I just uh would

4:56

like to make an announcement about uh a

4:58

program that's being offered for our

5:00

youth from 18 to 24, justice involved

5:03

youth, and I'll explain a little bit

5:04

about it.

5:05

>> Okay. And Councilwoman Davis,

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>> you have new business.

5:18

>> Okay,

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>> I'd just like to make an announcement.

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>> Okay, sounds good. Any other new

5:22

business?

5:24

>> Okay, seeing and hearing none, then we

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will adjourn. So, let's get started. The

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time is 6:08

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p.m. I'd like to officially call our

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legislative session to order.

5:41

>> Mr. Humphrey, could you please call the

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role?

5:44

>> Miss Daniels,

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>> here.

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>> Miss Davis,

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>> present.

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>> Miss Green,

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>> present.

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>> Mr. Jones,

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>> here.

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>> Miss RWS,

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>> present.

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>> Mr. Rodriguez.

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Miss Hill

5:59

>> present. Please note that Councilman

6:01

Rodriguez is excused this evening. The

6:04

invocation will be led by Councilwoman

6:06

Daniels, followed by the pledge of

6:08

allegiance, which will be led by

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Councilwoman Rolls.

6:14

>> Thank you. Um, if we could have a moment

6:16

of silence for the families that are

6:18

struggling amidst the budget impasses at

6:21

the federal and state levels. um and the

6:24

families who are struggling in dealing

6:26

with the consequences of gun violence.

6:35

Thank you.

6:38

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Daniels.

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>> Please all rise.

6:45

>> I aliance to the flag of the United

6:49

States of America and to the which

6:53

stands one nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice

7:00

for all.

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>> That was my best one this year. Thank

7:04

you. That was the best one.

7:08

Thank you, Councilwoman Ross. For

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communications this evening, we'll be we

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will begin with a presentation uh by

7:15

Miss Patricia Robinson, CEO of Evolve

7:18

Youth Trades Academy.

7:39

Please move the microphone really close

7:41

to you so that everybody watching and

7:43

listening can hear you and you may

7:46

begin. Thank you.

7:47

>> Thank you. Thank you. You can go ahead

7:49

and play that then I'll Thank you.

7:52

We have a curriculum that's based on

7:54

them understanding what [music] the

7:55

trades are, but also giving them a

7:57

hands-on experience and on the job

7:59

training.

8:04

I think it [music] creates a pathway to

8:06

success, sustainability,

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economic development, community

8:11

empowerment, [music] and also understand

8:13

that I can own something, I can create

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something, and I can be a part of

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something.

8:20

Evolve is an amazing program. It's It's

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really amazing. I really do feel like

8:25

[music] I'm at home here. I've just

8:27

connected well with everybody here with

8:30

all the other kids and as well as all

8:32

the other teachers. And so [music] it's

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it's a very welcoming and just all in

8:36

all awesome environment.

8:41

The trades is [music] not the last

8:43

option but the first opportunity.

8:49

>> Thank you. Thank you. My name is Trish

8:52

Robinson and again I'm the founder and

8:54

CEO of Evolve Youth Trades Academy

8:57

located in Midtown Harrisburg. We are a

9:01

certified pre-apprenticeship program

9:04

where we um specialize in four

9:07

categories carpentry, plumbing,

9:09

electrical and we will be taking on HVAC

9:12

in the beginning of the 2026. I do have

9:15

a student with me from Harrisburg High

9:18

and I'll let him introduce himself.

9:21

>> Hello, my name the mayor Maxwell and I

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attend the Evolve program.

9:28

Um I do electricity.

9:30

[laughter]

9:30

>> Thank you.

9:32

Um so as I stated we are a

9:35

pre-apprenticeship program and I started

9:38

this program in 2019 um as a pilot

9:41

program where we 10 we took 10 students

9:45

and did a uh summer program five female

9:49

and five male. And I clap it up for the

9:51

females because I'm empowering women to

9:54

um not look at trades as only a man

9:57

dominated field. Um one of our goals is

10:01

to make sure that more of the black and

10:05

brown and uh females are entering into

10:08

the trades early. We actually start at

10:11

middle school age. So we start 10 years

10:14

old and up. Um we have our biggest

10:17

success story was last year when we had

10:20

a total of 10 seniors. Six of them are

10:24

now in apprenticeships working with the

10:27

carpenters union plumbers and pipe

10:28

fitters and they're also working with

10:31

IBEDW.

10:33

Um, our goal is to make sure that we

10:36

prepare them for the trades and that

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means that they have to go through a

10:41

series of uh inschool as well as on the

10:46

job training. Evolve has been blessed to

10:49

receive a house that was gifted to us

10:53

last year that our students are

10:55

currently working on. We actually gutted

10:57

it out um to the bone. right now they

11:00

are going in uh twice or not three times

11:03

a week uh to work on that house. It's a

11:05

slow process because we use our youth we

11:09

use our youth to make sure that they can

11:12

impact and they can look back and say I

11:14

did that. Um we hope to have that

11:16

completed by 2026. So we're going to be

11:20

moving pretty fast. Um, but my goal, why

11:23

I'm here today is to partner

11:28

with the city.

11:30

I want a partnership with the city so

11:33

that we can create more pathways to

11:35

success. The building that we are

11:37

residing in right now, we're busting out

11:40

of the seams. Um we currently have 56

11:43

students in school students that come to

11:47

us for their trades and go back to their

11:49

home school for their academics. We have

11:52

nine adult learners that are in our

11:54

curriculum in the evenings. I foresee um

11:59

2026 that we will double that number in

12:01

terms of our inschool program. We have

12:04

online um students as well that stretch

12:08

in the Philadelphia area.

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That's the reason why it's imperative

12:12

that we get the support um of our

12:16

community.

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We should not have to

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look for funding

12:24

and not get it. We should be given

12:26

funding. We It shouldn't be an issue.

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And so, um,

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if if we don't do it now, then when do

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we take the opportunity to impact our

12:37

young people? We know that roads and

12:39

highways need to be built, but we know

12:41

that there sure needs to be affordable

12:43

housing. And the house that we are

12:45

renovating is going to be for an

12:47

affordable housing person. We hope to

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not only do that house, but also create

12:52

opportunities um throughout the city and

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purchase more homes that we can put

12:57

families in for affordable housing. But

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we need that support. So again, um that

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is my my plea today is that the city of

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Harrisburg partner with Evolve Youth

13:09

Trades Academy so that we can look at

13:12

properties um and we can build on those

13:15

properties and also look for land so

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that we can expand Evolve Youth Trades

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Academy.

13:24

>> Thank you. Thank you so much for your

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presentation.

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I do have two questions for you. Sure.

13:33

>> You mentioned that you're located in

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Midtown. Where?

13:37

>> We're underneath Steam Academy.

13:39

>> Oh, okay. And do the 56 students that

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are in school pay to attend?

13:46

>> Uh, the district pays for them.

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>> Okay. And what is the cost per student?

13:50

>> It's 1,800 per student.

13:52

>> Okay.

13:55

I'm going to quickly open the floor to

13:57

my colleagues to determine if they have

13:59

any questions for you. Sure.

14:00

>> Um I'd like to begin with Councilman

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Jones.

14:04

>> Thank you, President Hill. I really

14:05

don't have any uh questions for you.

14:07

Again, I just commend the work. I think

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it's very important that we are getting

14:10

our youth involved and exposed to

14:12

different trades. Today is different

14:14

from when we grew up. Um you could look

14:17

at I see you have um I like your graph

14:19

chart where you have like 770,000

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uh you know, construction jobs. And

14:24

again, I just think for the community,

14:26

everybody that's paying attention to

14:27

this, this is this is huge. Um, I

14:29

commend you. I take my hat off to you.

14:31

This is not easy. Um, in the times that

14:34

we're in, um, you know, with finances

14:36

and everything, but again, uh, Mr.

14:38

Maxwell as well, you know, this is

14:40

great. This is a great look. Once you

14:42

get a trade, this is something that

14:43

could take care of you for the rest of

14:44

your life. You never have to go ask for

14:46

a job. So again, I just commend what

14:48

you're doing. I said no more no more no

14:50

further questions.

14:52

>> Thank you.

14:54

Councilwoman Ross, any questions?

14:56

>> Thank you, President Hill. Thank you for

14:58

being here this evening and also thank

14:59

you for you coming as a student um to

15:02

come let us know you're in the

15:03

electricity electricity field. So, that

15:06

was fun to hear about when you told us

15:08

that. Um but I I do commend you too for

15:11

um creating this program from the floor

15:15

up. You did it all on your own. Um and

15:18

you're giving students and adults

15:20

another an opportunity. I know these are

15:22

things that I want to learn myself. And

15:24

so I saw your website and I just wanted

15:26

to let everybody know that was

15:28

evolved.org.

15:30

Yes.

15:30

>> And I saw that um you have registration

15:33

open for pre uh apprenticeship programs

15:36

and school programs and you even had a

15:39

summer program. Yes.

15:40

>> So so many people were here tonight. I

15:42

just wanted to let them know that that's

15:43

there. And the women's and trades

15:45

program opens November 20. Oh, well

15:48

first it was our it's open now. Well, we

15:50

just um yes, we actually have an adult

15:53

cohort that's that that's going on right

15:55

now. So, it's combined. It's a co it's a

15:57

co-ed. Okay. Um so, we usually have our

15:59

women in trades, which is three trades

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in three days.

16:02

>> Oh, wow.

16:03

>> Women in November. We didn't do it this

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year because I'm overwhelmed.

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>> No, that's understandable. Anyway, um so

16:09

we will resume in the spring to do our u

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u women in trades, three trades in three

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days.

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>> Okay. Well, I love that. So, I'll be

16:16

looking out for that. And I just had one

16:18

question. Um, so the students that come

16:20

to you, um, is it like the program like

16:24

in the Dolphin County VOTE, like they

16:26

come, they, uh, like they're there for

16:28

half of the day with you and then they

16:29

go back to their schools, um, to do the

16:31

other academic parts. How does it work?

16:34

Yes. So, Harrisburg students, um, come

16:36

to me in the afternoon. They're with me

16:38

from 12:30 to 2:30. So, they finish

16:41

their day with with us. Um, we do have

16:44

Stilton Highspire, which is with us in

16:46

the morning from 9:00 to 11:00. We have

16:48

Charter U Commonwealth Charter Academy

16:51

that's with us during the day.

16:52

>> Oh, I see.

16:53

>> So, we have them in the middle of the

16:55

day. So, we break the students up. Now,

16:57

Harrisburg and CCA are they're combined

17:00

a little bit in one space at one time.

17:02

But, and then we have our online

17:04

classes.

17:05

>> Okay. Okay. Now, I understand more. I

17:07

just needed some clarity. Yes. On that.

17:09

Okay. Thank you so much.

17:10

>> They do. Well, I my next thing was I

17:12

would love to see and talk more about

17:14

how we can partner with you as a city.

17:18

um and and get more students to come to

17:21

you. We don't have a traditional vote

17:23

school right now or anymore in

17:25

Harrisburg, which is sad. Um but our

17:27

students need it and they shouldn't have

17:29

to just go to DC Tech to get it when

17:31

it's right here. So, I would love to

17:33

hear more about how we can partner with

17:35

you and get our community what we need.

17:37

So, thank you.

17:38

>> You're welcome. Thank you.

17:40

>> Thank you, Vice President Green. Any

17:42

questions?

17:43

>> Thank you, President Hill. Uh thank you,

17:44

Miss Robinson, for being here tonight.

17:46

Thank you for being here uh as well and

17:48

giving us your experience. Um I don't

17:50

really have any questions for you. Uh I

17:52

remember back when your program was in

17:54

its infancy uh we partnered together

17:56

when I was uh working with EDSI to

17:58

ensure we had some funding for children

18:00

to go through the program. Uh that was

18:02

when it was still after school and

18:03

during the summer program. So um I just

18:06

commend you for continuing to fight to

18:08

make for sure our students, our youth

18:10

have these opportunities. Uh because I

18:12

know it hasn't been an easy road. I know

18:13

you're steady fighting, calling,

18:16

advocating for the youth in our

18:17

community and I appreciate that. Um, if

18:19

a door closes, you made for sure to open

18:21

another one. I remember some of those

18:22

phone calls with you, you'd be going

18:24

like, we we got five more kids. We need

18:26

to see if we can get in. So, I

18:27

appreciate somebody standing up for them

18:30

um and just opening these doors because

18:32

we talk about all the time how there are

18:34

so many jobs and our kids just don't get

18:36

them. They're not trained for them. are

18:38

not in these programs, but there aren't

18:40

a lot of programs that go out and are

18:41

doing that footwork and that groundwork.

18:43

Um, we have a lot of unions to say we

18:45

have opportunities. Uh, we just don't

18:47

have the kids. And you kind of bridge

18:49

that gap to say, "Well, if you're

18:50

looking for kids, I'll go get the kids.

18:52

I'll make for sure they're prepared and

18:53

I'll get them into these programs." And

18:54

that's what we really need. Uh, because

18:56

of a lot of our students and our school

18:58

districts just don't do that. So, I

18:59

thank you for being that middle person

19:01

to really present these opportunities

19:03

and get our kids involved in that. Um,

19:05

I'd love to continue to find ways to

19:08

work with you. I know we we've worked

19:09

together in the past, but now maybe in

19:11

this capacity, we can find a way that

19:12

the city can work together to provide

19:14

some of these opportunities. Um, I will

19:16

say that during the ARPA funding,

19:20

[clears throat]

19:20

um, that's no longer ARPA funding, but

19:22

the money is still there. Uh, we did

19:24

have a conversation about creating

19:26

apprenticeship programs, uh, creating

19:28

workforce development, job programs, and

19:30

as of right now, that money is sitting

19:31

there. Um, I know we did uh partner with

19:34

TLC Construction to create some

19:36

opportunities. Um, but I'd love to be

19:38

able to create these opportunities for

19:40

our youth to get them into this field

19:42

early on and give them these

19:43

opportunities uh before I hate to say

19:45

before it's too late, but before they've

19:47

started doing other things that kind of

19:49

can distract them from even uh knowing

19:51

these opportunities are available. So,

19:53

uh please reach out. Um I'll make sure

19:55

you have my contact information. I

19:56

really do look forward to working with

19:57

you. So, thank you.

19:58

>> Thank you. And can I just say we are

20:00

partner with um Lancaster I mean um

20:03

Lebanon Carpenters Union Plumbers and

20:05

Pipe Fitters and IBW. So we have they're

20:10

they're sponsoring our program. That

20:12

means that they're going to look at ways

20:14

that they can get our students into

20:16

their apprenticeships.

20:18

>> Yeah.

20:19

>> Excellent. Thank you, Councilwoman

20:21

Davis. Any questions? Thank you,

20:23

President Hill, and I just want to say

20:26

thank you for your dedication, um, Miss

20:28

Robinson, to our students and

20:29

everything. I heard what you said about

20:32

busting out at the seams. So, you're

20:35

looking for a building and we've been

20:36

talking. I do have some other ideas, but

20:40

I would just want to encourage you to

20:41

continue to reach out to anyone,

20:45

administration,

20:47

um, maybe the Harrisburg Redevelopment

20:50

Authority. there may be some

20:52

opportunities there and I will continue

20:55

to uh give you information as I learn

20:59

about it, but thank you for what you're

21:02

doing and I know that it's going to come

21:04

together for our children. Thank you.

21:07

>> Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you.

21:09

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Daniels. Any

21:11

questions?

21:13

>> No questions. Thank you.

21:15

>> Thank you. I had a two follow-up

21:16

questions. So, how many of the 56

21:19

students are Harrisburg students?

21:22

>> 13.

21:22

>> 13. Okay.

21:26

And when Mr. Maxwell completes his um

21:30

training, he will receive a

21:32

certification or what what's next?

21:34

>> Yes. Um we submit his his information to

21:37

labor and industry and they will send

21:39

his pre-apprenticeship certification as

21:43

a electrician.

21:44

>> Electrician. Yay. [laughter]

21:46

Yeah, that's cool.

21:50

>> That's awesome.

21:51

>> Yes.

21:52

>> Well, we don't have any additional

21:54

questions, but thank you again for your

21:56

presentation. Thank you, Mr. Maxwell,

21:58

for being present and the video. Um,

22:00

it's great information.

22:02

>> Thank you so much.

22:04

>> Thank you.

22:12

Okay, next we have the Harrisburg baby

22:16

Cougars Smurf football team. Where are

22:18

you guys?

22:21

Yay.

22:22

[applause]

22:24

We are recognizing you this evening

22:27

because your team is the CFA

22:31

Smurf Bowl champions.

22:35

>> [applause]

22:38

>> So, if you wouldn't mind, uh, bear with

22:40

me for a few minutes. I have a

22:42

proclamation and we have copies for

22:44

everyone. Um, so I'd like to read it to

22:47

you guys. The city of Harrisburg,

22:50

Pennsylvania, Office of City Council and

22:52

Office of City Clerk. Proclamation.

22:56

Whereas the Harrisburg City Council

22:58

desires to recognize the outstanding

23:01

accomplishments of the Harrisburg Baby

23:03

Cougars Smurf team who represented the

23:07

city of Harrisburg with pride,

23:09

determination, and excellence throughout

23:12

the 2025 season. And whereas the

23:16

Harrisburg baby Cougar Smurf team

23:18

captured the title of 2025

23:22

CFA National Conference Champion,

23:25

earning top honors in the Central

23:27

Pennsylvania Football Association's

23:30

Smurf Division. And whereas this

23:33

championship is a testament to the

23:36

remarkable efforts of the players,

23:38

coaches, and families who have dedicated

23:41

their time, talent, and energy to

23:44

building a youth football program that

23:46

emphasizes teamwork, discipline, and

23:49

community pride. And whereas the city of

23:52

Harrisburg celebrates the coaches and

23:54

volunteers whose leadership and

23:57

commitment to mentorship foster the

23:59

development of our city's youngest

24:02

athletes, instilling values of

24:04

sportsmanship, perseverance, and respect

24:08

both on and off the field. And whereas

24:12

the success of the Harrisburg baby

24:14

Cougar Smurf team exemplifies the

24:17

strength and unity of Harrisburg's youth

24:20

sports community and serves as an

24:23

inspiration to future generations of

24:25

Cougars. And whereas Harrisburg City

24:29

Council wishes the Harrisburg Cougars

24:32

baby Cougar Smurf team continued success

24:36

and blessings for the future of this

24:39

program. And now, therefore, be it and

24:42

it is hereby proclaim that members of

24:44

Harrisburg City Council hereby

24:47

congratulate the Harrisburg baby Cougar

24:49

Smurf team, their coaches, families, and

24:53

supporters on their victorious and

24:55

inspiring season and extend heartfelt

24:58

best wishes for continued success in the

25:01

years to come. Signed and attested in

25:04

the city of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

25:07

Jared Trudale, City Clerk Danielle L.

25:09

Hill, Harrisburg City Council.

25:12

[cheering]

25:14

[applause]

25:19

[applause]

25:24

>> Congratulations, guys. We're so proud of

25:27

you. Yay. [applause]

25:32

If you guys wouldn't mind joining us, we

25:34

want to take some pictures with the

25:35

trophy, all the things. Come line up

25:38

over here.

25:56

Turn around, guys.

26:24

I know.

26:40

I don't know.

26:46

Everybody look right here. Okay.

27:00

Ready

27:15

everybody? Look at me. Ready?

27:18

>> Two.

27:19

>> One

27:26

more time.

27:36

Hey Mark,

27:39

I can't

27:43

>> picture

27:51

the

27:54

back.

27:54

>> She already got the choker.

27:58

I couldn't even

28:10

count.

28:44

Congratulations guys again. Thank you so

28:48

much for coming. [cheering]

28:49

[applause] Yes, the champion.

28:53

You're welcome.

29:00

>> Oh, you're welcome.

29:02

>> They're so cute.

29:05

Okay.

29:11

>> We will now move forward with our

29:14

meeting agenda.

29:16

We will move to courtesy of the floor.

29:18

Just a few housekeeping notes before we

29:20

begin. Please state your name and your

29:23

address for the read meeting record. If

29:26

you don't feel comfortable sharing your

29:28

address, please share the vicinity in

29:30

which you live within the city. Uh you

29:33

will have four minutes to share your

29:35

comments. Mr. Humphrey has added a clock

29:39

timer to the screen for your reference

29:42

and I'll begin to my right. Is there

29:44

anyone that would like to offer public

29:46

comment?

29:48

>> Okay.

29:50

Yes. Okay,

29:56

>> council ladies and gentlemen, good

29:59

evening.

30:00

>> Uh, I have two things to say. One,

30:05

oh my god, no one can compete with the

30:07

energy of those little kids.

30:10

>> I can't believe I'm going to say this. I

30:12

wish I was a little smurf. That was

30:15

fantastic.

30:15

>> Yay.

30:17

Um, but timing might be off, but I might

30:20

have to leave early. But, um, my name is

30:23

Seth Pomeroy and I live at 414 Radner

30:26

Street.

30:28

I've lived in the city of Harrisburg for

30:30

30 years and I'm happy to live here.

30:34

When I moved in, I thought I would only

30:38

be here for 20 or excuse me, for two

30:40

years, and it's been 30 years.

30:43

Um, I am a neighbor

30:46

of hopefully

30:48

um a development penmark.

30:53

I've been attending the meetings.

30:56

Uh I think there's been about four or

30:58

five and I have seen a lot of growth in

31:02

Harrisburg

31:04

in my neighborhood. The growth that I've

31:07

seen is

31:10

not healthy in my neighborhood. I've

31:12

seen a lot of vandalism

31:15

and not goodwill

31:18

and I want that growth to continue and

31:20

reverse in a positive way. I love

31:24

Harrisburg. I think the owner of Penmark

31:27

has a lot to bring to the city and not

31:31

just services for the neighbors but I

31:35

think uh revenue for the city as well.

31:39

I do know that a lot of neighbors have

31:41

approached me and mentioned that they

31:42

want a community. They want a village

31:46

and that's what I would like to and I

31:49

think that the owner of Penmark is going

31:52

to bring that our way.

31:55

So, I just wanted to share my thoughts.

31:59

Hopefully they are good thoughts and

32:01

hopefully the city can

32:03

um think again good thoughts of uh this

32:07

owner and um hopefully bring some

32:12

uh vibrancy to

32:15

what used to be called which I still

32:17

call excuse [clears throat] me poly

32:18

clinic.

32:20

So I just want to voice my concern. I

32:22

think that as a neighbor, my neighbors

32:25

and everybody around is anxious to see a

32:29

little bit more positive growth and

32:32

services and revenue for the city.

32:36

So, thanks for listening.

32:38

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else to my

32:40

right that would like to offer public

32:41

comment?

32:44

>> Good evening, council members. Uh my

32:46

name is Nicole Reyes, uh a resident of

32:49

2645 North F. Uh so I'm here with regard

32:52

to uh resolution 73 uh same uh

32:56

concerning the development uh at

32:58

Penmark. So um I have been to several of

33:01

these meetings. Originally I was uh

33:03

somewhat pessimistic and had concerns uh

33:06

about this development. Uh Mr. Hawquist

33:09

has been very transparent. He's answered

33:12

uh all questions uh proposed by myself

33:15

and neighbors. And I'm actually

33:16

surprised that there haven't been more

33:18

neighbors at these meetings. So, uh, and

33:21

truthfully, I thought that this had

33:23

already progressed to, uh, uh, being

33:25

voted upon. So, uh, since it's being

33:27

voted on tonight, I feel like if anybody

33:29

wanted to protest, they could have been

33:32

here by now. So, uh, I'm actually

33:35

anxious to see things move forward. Um,

33:37

I don't also, you know, want this to be

33:39

another dilapidated building uh, in our

33:42

neighborhood. And so I'm anxious to see

33:45

things go forward and things get

33:47

approved, tenants start coming in and

33:50

increasing the property value of our

33:52

area. Thank you.

33:55

Thank you. Is there anyone else to my

33:58

right? Seeing and hearing no one. Anyone

34:00

in the middle section?

34:03

Okay. Seeing and hearing no one. Anyone

34:05

to my left?

34:07

Seeing and hearing no one, we will move

34:09

forward with the meeting agenda. Next,

34:12

we have the approval of minutes for the

34:14

legislative session that occurred on

34:16

October 28th, 20125. Council members,

34:21

are there any revisions to those

34:23

minutes?

34:28

Okay. No, that's okay. Seeing and

34:30

hearing none, uh the minutes stand

34:32

approved. We will move to reports of

34:35

committees. I will deliver the first

34:37

report on behalf of the administration

34:39

committee on the work session of

34:41

November 3rd, 2025.

34:44

On Monday, November 3rd, 2025, the

34:48

administration committee met to discuss

34:50

one resolution, resolution 79 of 2025.

34:55

a resolution accepting the offer from

34:57

the Pennsylvania Department of

34:59

Transportation in the amount of $11,000

35:04

in just compensation for the acquisition

35:07

of a portion of real property identified

35:10

as tax parcel number 63-024-051

35:17

and necessary easements for the I83

35:20

widening project. Mr. Joel Ciders, the

35:24

city engineer, and Mr. Neil Grover, city

35:26

solicitor, were present to discuss the

35:28

resolution. Mr. Ciders shared that the

35:31

offer from PennDOT is a part of the

35:33

continuing I83 widening project. Mr.

35:36

Neil Grover reminded council members

35:40

that this is the second piece of land

35:42

acquired by PennDOT for the I83 widening

35:45

project. Council members asked the

35:48

following questions. Well, there was

35:50

one. Uh, was the 17th and Pax Paxton

35:55

Street's first? Was that the first

35:57

acquisition? And other than the

36:00

financial burden, was there any other

36:02

way to access the land?

36:06

Uh, Mr. Grover clarified the location.

36:09

It's the back door of the public works

36:11

building, so 19th and Paxton Streets.

36:14

Um, taken all the way back where the

36:16

highway will be wider. Mr. Grover shared

36:20

that PENDOT does their own appraisals.

36:23

Um, I recommend my colleagues support

36:26

resolution 79 of 2025 to assist in

36:29

ensuring the continuation of the I83

36:32

widening project. This concludes the

36:35

work of the administration committee.

36:38

The next committee report you will hear

36:40

this evening will be delivered by our

36:42

community and economic development

36:44

committee chair, Councilwoman Joan

36:46

Daniels, excuse me, on the work session

36:49

of November 3rd, 2025.

36:54

>> Uh thank you. Um on November 3rd, uh the

36:57

Community and Economic Development

36:59

Committee um had a meeting where we um

37:02

where we addressed

37:06

um resolution 73-2025

37:10

and resolution 74-2025.

37:13

They were both land development plans.

37:15

Um 73-2025

37:17

is um relates to the property at 2601

37:20

North 3rd Street. uh the property the

37:23

applicant is Penmark Harrisburg

37:25

Holdings. Um they are uh converting the

37:28

properties on that lot into 96 units. Um

37:33

and so far they have met uh the

37:35

requirements from the planning

37:37

commission. Uh 74-2025

37:42

um is a was also a land development plan

37:45

um for the the 333 Market Street address

37:48

um in downtown Harrisburg. Um they are

37:51

modifying floors 11 to 19 from

37:55

commercial uh spaces to 81 residential

38:00

units. Um both of these properties uh

38:03

you know have met the requirements and

38:06

um I asked my colleagues to vote in the

38:08

affirmative for both of them. And that

38:10

concludes my report for this committee.

38:12

>> Thank you. The next report you will hear

38:15

will be delivered by our public safety

38:17

committee chair, Councilman Jones, on

38:19

the work session of November 3rd, 2025.

38:23

>> Forgot I was up next.

38:27

Um, on Monday, November the 3rd, 2025,

38:30

the public safety, the committee of

38:31

public safety held a work uh session on

38:33

resolutions 77 of 2025 and 78 of 2025.

38:38

Resolution 77 of 2025 is a resolution

38:42

authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

38:43

negotiate and enter into professional

38:46

services agreement with SGS architects

38:49

Engineers Incorporated to provide

38:51

architectural service for renovation of

38:53

the bedroom and restroom facilities at

38:55

fire station 2 located at 1401 North 6

39:00

North 16th Street. Resolution 78 of 2025

39:04

is a resolution ratifying an an

39:06

agreement with the locality media

39:08

incorporation DBA first due for the

39:12

implementation of software for the city

39:14

of Harrisburg fire bureau and

39:16

authorizing the city to negotiate and

39:19

enter to enter into a 5-year renewal

39:22

agreement for such services. Present to

39:25

discuss uh resolutions 77 and 78 was

39:28

Chief Interline. questions asked by

39:30

council. How long has it been since any

39:33

stations have been renovated or updated?

39:36

Why station two versus any of the other

39:39

stations? And do you plan to renovate

39:42

update any of the other stations moving

39:45

forward? Uh Chief Interline responded

39:48

that um

39:50

station [snorts]

39:51

number two hasn't been uh renovated

39:54

since it was uh built in 1980.

39:58

um and it's very um severely outdated.

40:01

So that's one of the reasons why they

40:02

wanted to start with station number two.

40:05

Uh also

40:08

um there is a plan in the budget for

40:10

2026 for next year to to begin work on

40:13

um station number one. Uh the timeline

40:16

for the start to finish on station

40:18

number two will be about 14 to 15 weeks.

40:20

Then it would go out for bids. On

40:23

resolution 78, uh some of the questions

40:25

were asked by my colleagues. How long um

40:28

have we been with this company? Uh

40:31

Inline responded with three years. I

40:33

asked how were we paying for this grants

40:36

or are we using budgeted monies?

40:37

Budgeted monies was the response and

40:40

also by choosing to extend this contract

40:43

from the original 3 to 5 years. Um saves

40:45

the city money over over the course of

40:47

five years by um selecting the to renew

40:51

for five versus the three years. And

40:54

that will conclude the business of the

40:56

public safety committee and I ask my

40:58

colleagues colleagues to support both

41:01

resolutions.

41:03

>> Thank you, Councilman Jones. Um, I do

41:06

not have a formal report uh from our

41:09

public works committee chair, Councilman

41:11

Rodriguez, on the work session of

41:13

November 3rd, 2025, but I'll just read

41:16

the caption of the resolution discussed.

41:19

Uh it was resolution 72 of 2025 which is

41:23

a resolution authorizing the city of

41:25

Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into

41:28

an intergovernmental cooperation

41:30

agreement with the bureau of Paxtang for

41:32

the purpose of authorizing the city to

41:35

perform municipal solid waste and

41:37

recycling collection and disposal

41:39

services within the burrow. I don't

41:42

believe council members had any

41:44

questions. I think we were all happy to

41:46

hear that the um intergovernmental

41:49

cooperation agreements with uh

41:51

neighboring burrows were going well. Um

41:54

so that concludes the makeshift report

41:56

for the public works committee. We will

41:59

move to ordinances for first reading. We

42:01

have two. The first is bill 10 of 2025.

42:06

Mr. Humphrey, could you please read it

42:07

into the record?

42:09

Bill 10 of 2025, an ordinance of the

42:12

city of Harrisburg, Commonwealth of

42:14

Pennsylvania, authorizing the grant and

42:16

renewal of a non-exclusive franchise to

42:18

Comcast of Southeast Pennsylvania LLC to

42:21

construct, operate, and maintain a cable

42:23

television system for the provision of

42:25

cable service within the city, setting

42:27

forth the conditions accompanying the

42:29

granting of said franchise, providing

42:31

for regulation and use of the cable

42:33

television system, and prescribing

42:35

remedies for violation of this

42:36

ordinance, and establishing an effective

42:39

Thank you. Bill 10 of 2025 will move to

42:42

the administration committee. Next, we

42:45

have Bill 11 of 2025. Mr. Humphrey,

42:48

could you please read it into the

42:49

record?

42:50

>> Bill 11, 2025, an ordinance for giving

42:53

and discharging certain city real estate

42:55

taxes, including interest, penalties,

42:57

and costs, and striking off tax leans

43:00

for certain historically taxexempt

43:01

properties.

43:02

>> Thank you. Bill 11 of 2025 will also

43:05

move to the administration committee. We

43:08

do not have any ordinances for amendment

43:10

or ordinances for final passage. We will

43:13

move to resolutions. The first

43:15

resolution for consideration is

43:17

resolution 70 of 2025. Mr. Humphrey,

43:21

could you please read it into the

43:22

record?

43:23

>> Resolution 70 2025, a resolution

43:26

appointing Mr. Zack Fiser to serve on

43:28

the Harrisburg Architectural Review

43:30

Board of the City of Harrisburg. Thank

43:32

you. Council members, are there any

43:34

final questions, comments, or concerns

43:36

related to resolution 70 of 2025?

43:40

>> Okay, seeing and hearing none, Mr.

43:42

Humphrey, could you please call the

43:43

vote?

43:44

>> Miss Daniels,

43:46

>> yes.

43:48

>> Miss Davis,

43:49

>> yes.

43:50

>> Miss Green,

43:51

>> yes.

43:53

>> Mr. Jones,

43:54

>> yay.

43:56

>> Miss RWS,

43:57

>> yes.

44:00

Miss Hill.

44:01

>> Yes.

44:03

>> Resolution 70205 passes by a vote of six

44:06

yays to zero nays.

44:07

>> Thank you. Next we have resolution 72 of

44:11

2025. Mr. TR or excuse me, Mr. Humphrey,

44:15

could you please read it into the

44:16

record? Sorry.

44:18

>> Resolution 72 2025. a resolution

44:21

authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

44:23

negotiate and enter into an ever an

44:25

intergovernmental cooperation agreement

44:27

with the burrow of Paxing for the

44:29

purpose of authorizing the city to

44:30

provide municipal solid waste and

44:32

recycling collection and disposal

44:34

services within the bureau.

44:36

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

44:38

any final questions, comments, or

44:40

concerns related to resolution 72 of

44:43

2025? Okay, seeing hearing none, Mr.

44:46

Humphrey, could you please call the

44:47

vote? Miss Daniels,

44:50

>> yes.

44:51

>> Miss Davis,

44:52

>> yes.

44:54

>> Miss Green,

44:55

>> yes.

44:56

>> Mr. Jones,

44:57

>> yay.

44:58

>> Miss RWS,

44:59

>> yes.

45:00

>> Miss Hill,

45:01

>> yes.

45:03

>> Resolution 72 of 2025 passes by a vote

45:06

of six yays to zero nays.

45:08

>> Thank you. Next, we have resolution 73

45:10

of 2025. Mr. Humphrey, could you please

45:14

read it into the record? Resolution 73

45:17

2025, a resolution approving the

45:19

preliminary/final land development plan

45:22

for 2601 North Third Street to convert

45:24

the northernmost building on site into a

45:26

multifamily dwelling along with

45:28

associated site and access improvements.

45:31

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

45:33

any final questions, comments, or

45:35

concerns related to resolution 73 of

45:38

2025?

45:42

>> Yeah, I do have

45:44

>> Okay. Councilwoman Rose,

45:46

>> thank you. Yes, I did I just had one

45:48

small comment. Um I know when this was

45:50

first presented to us um not uh the

45:54

other night but before there were

45:56

concerns with affordable um housing and

45:59

uh what that looked like within our

46:01

community. However, I was very um

46:05

impressed of how Mr. Holocaust, if I say

46:08

that right, I'm sorry if I'm saying

46:10

hocus Okay, sorry. and um Pinmart and

46:13

also we have residents here that are in

46:15

support of it. Um but what answered our

46:19

questions um looked at what uh rent

46:23

would look like within that community um

46:26

what affordable look like and trying to

46:28

get the price to be somewhere where um

46:31

more people could afford it. So that uh

46:34

changed my view of it, doing some

46:36

research um and like I said, also

46:39

hearing the community and them saying

46:41

they want it and uh the apartments there

46:44

and knowing that we don't want blighted

46:47

properties. Um it's a large building

46:49

that could go with being unkempt could

46:53

be what we see William Penn at right

46:54

now. That was scary for me. Um I and and

46:59

it it's what made me say okay it's a yes

47:02

for me. So I just wanted to just voice

47:05

my opinion on it and how and just thank

47:08

you for coming to answer our questions

47:09

and looking again at what affordable

47:11

look like. That was very impressive and

47:14

thank you and I hope that sets a

47:16

blueprint for how other developers come

47:19

up to the city and do business with us

47:22

and thinking about our residents the

47:23

best that they can. So, thank you. And

47:25

that was it for me.

47:27

>> Thank you. Any other questions,

47:30

comments, or concerns?

47:34

>> Okay. Mr. Humphrey, could you please

47:37

call the vote?

47:39

>> Miss Daniels?

47:41

>> Yes.

47:43

>> Miss Davis?

47:44

>> Yes.

47:45

>> Miss Green?

47:46

>> Yes.

47:48

>> Mr. Jones?

47:49

>> Yay.

47:50

>> Miss RWS?

47:51

>> Yes.

47:53

>> Miss Hill? Yes.

47:55

>> Resolution 73 of 2025 passes by a vote

47:58

of six yays to zero nays.

48:00

>> Thank you. Next, we have resolution 74

48:03

of 2025. Mr. Humphrey, could you please

48:06

read it into the record? Resolution 74

48:08

of 2025, a resolution approving the

48:11

preliminary/final land development plan

48:13

for 333 Market Street submitted by

48:15

Bradley Jones of Harristown Development

48:17

Corporation to convert vacant office

48:20

space into residential units and

48:21

associated site and access improvements.

48:24

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

48:25

any final questions, comments, or

48:28

concerns related to resolution 74 of

48:31

20125? Councilman Jones.

48:33

>> Yes. Um, so my question would I see Mr.

48:37

Jones here. Um, I know we talked about I

48:40

I want to agree with this project. I

48:42

want to support this project. However, I

48:44

was just a little concerned about um

48:47

when we asked what was the affordability

48:49

going to be like or seniors. Um, I just

48:52

I need a little bit more information on

48:54

this before I can vote. I don't know if

48:56

this is stay in committee or not, but I

48:59

can't give a I can't give a vote. I can

49:00

vote if I vote today, it's going to be

49:02

no. Um, just because I don't have all

49:04

the information that I need. Um, sure.

49:06

Sure. Since Wait, wait, wait, wait,

49:08

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

49:09

wait. [laughter]

49:11

>> If Councilman Jones, if you would like

49:14

more discussion, I would uh request an

49:17

uh, yeah, a motion to suspend the rules.

49:20

>> A motion to suspend the rules. Yes.

49:21

>> Thank you. Is there a second?

49:25

>> Second.

49:25

>> Okay. Thank you. So, Councilman Jones is

49:28

requesting if you have additional

49:30

information regarding the affordability.

49:33

And if you could please state your name

49:35

and your relation to this uh resolution,

49:38

please.

49:38

>> Sure. Good evening, council. And my name

49:40

is Bradley Jones. I'm the president of

49:42

Harristown Development Corporation. And

49:44

u Councilman Jones. So to answer your

49:47

question as it's a so as I tried to

49:50

explain what we're trying to do is seek

49:52

a master lease for these 80 apartments

49:55

right for a senior living project which

49:57

is very similar to what we did next door

49:59

here uh on 112 Market Street. So I don't

50:02

know the answer to your question. I

50:04

would love to answer it, but I just

50:05

don't know what um you know, we're we

50:08

would like to get one tenant to lease

50:11

all the units, right? And then they set

50:13

the price and they build that that you

50:15

know, financial model inside of that

50:18

envelope. I don't know if that helps you

50:20

or not.

50:20

>> And that's where I'm having um the

50:22

biggest issue. It's like

50:25

are are can I ask this? Would these be

50:27

the same individuals that you that that

50:29

you used over here? as far as, you know,

50:31

>> I I don't know that I I have several I

50:33

don't have a deal yet, right? So, we're

50:35

we're trying to get this all approved,

50:37

all the entitlements approved. So, it's

50:39

easier for us to work up a deal with a

50:42

with a particular one of of several

50:44

potential senior living groups. Uh, as

50:47

as I explained, there's a very there's a

50:49

strong demand for this and I think this

50:50

would be a great use for this

50:52

>> sure space. But, um, I don't know the

50:54

answer to your question because I don't

50:56

know who I'm working with yet.

50:57

>> All right. So then say this passes

50:59

tonight, what's the next steps?

51:01

>> So we're going to continue to, you know,

51:03

shop this deal with a couple of the uh

51:06

different senior living groups if at the

51:08

end of that, you know, we you know,

51:10

>> or the plans can change,

51:11

>> right? We we'll come back. You know, if

51:13

we're if we're going to change the

51:14

plans, we'll come back to see you.

51:16

>> All right. Yeah. I just I was just

51:18

worried about giving giving this and

51:20

putting it. It's just up in the air. So

51:21

I I guess I'm guessing where you are

51:23

right now is really not a full-fledged

51:25

plan. Just need this approval to move

51:27

forward. I got you.

51:28

>> I mean, this is Yeah. Yes, that's

51:29

correct.

51:30

>> Got you.

51:30

>> No further questions.

51:32

>> Okay. Are there any other questions for

51:34

Mr. Jones?

51:35

>> Uh, yes.

51:36

>> Councilwoman Davis.

51:38

>> Good evening, Mr. Jones.

51:39

>> Good evening.

51:40

>> Um, I don't have any questions, but I am

51:44

still a little com uncomfortable with

51:46

voting in favor of this. I'm hoping that

51:49

it can stay in committee. I'm not sure.

51:51

But,

51:53

uh, we do have there are a couple of of

51:56

high-rise senior living facilities right

51:59

there in the area. We have, uh, Beni

52:02

Brrith

52:03

>> is there and we also have um, Morrison

52:07

Tower,

52:09

but we don't know who the healthc care

52:14

company or the senior uh, living company

52:17

is. and some of my questions were not

52:21

able to be answered in terms of some of

52:25

the uh accommodations for the uh

52:30

facility. I personally personally would

52:33

like to uh go through that that area

52:37

floors 11 through 19 and also take a

52:42

look at the five elevators. I think it's

52:44

great that there's five elevators there.

52:46

oftentimes when there's only two

52:48

elevators in a facility, one is can be

52:51

broken and then the tenants have to

52:54

wait. But are the other three

52:58

elevators are they cargo elevators? Are

53:02

they elevators that only go to certain

53:04

floors?

53:05

>> Sure. Sure. Happy to explain. So there's

53:08

this building was built with two um two

53:10

sets of elevators. So the there's a set

53:13

of elevators. There's five elevators

53:14

that go from the lobby to uh floor 10.

53:18

And then there's a second what they call

53:21

a high bank set of elevators, which is

53:22

the area we're talking about that go

53:24

from floors 10 through 19. So the idea

53:28

was that no one would have to wait very

53:30

long because you know, you skip the

53:31

first 10 floors if you're in the high

53:33

bank, you know, do you know what I mean?

53:35

Like you've got basically two sets of

53:38

elevators. One serves the high bank, one

53:40

serves the low bank. And then there's

53:41

also a freight elevator. So, this

53:43

building was built for, you know, 3,000

53:45

people in 1978,

53:48

uh, as a high-rise for the state

53:50

offices. And, you know, so it'll be

53:52

really well served with that many

53:54

elevators for, you know, only 80 units

53:57

on the top. You know, I mean, you'll

54:00

have way more elevators. We have we have

54:02

a number of other towers that have, you

54:03

know, one or two elevators, you know,

54:06

that serve, you know, a similar number

54:08

of of constituents.

54:10

>> Thank you. Sure. It would be nice that

54:12

if the company that you're here

54:14

representing could be here to give us

54:18

>> and as I tried to explain, I mean, we're

54:20

not there yet. We have we're working

54:21

with a couple of different prospects on

54:23

this. We were able to put together a

54:25

similar deal like this over at at 112

54:27

Market and that's Garden Spot.

54:30

>> Uh I don't know who our, you know,

54:33

customer will be on this, but

54:35

>> we're hoping. I mean, there's a lot of

54:36

demand for this and we're working with a

54:38

couple different group groups. So,

54:39

>> Okay. Well, thank you for that.

54:41

>> You bet. Absolutely. Thank you.

54:43

>> Do you want to go?

54:44

>> I just wanted to note for the meeting

54:46

record that the deemed approved deadline

54:48

for this particular uh resolution is

54:52

December 30th of 2025. So, there is an

54:56

option if anyone would like to a to make

54:59

a motion for the resolution to remain in

55:02

committee until additional information

55:05

is received. There's that option. I just

55:08

wanted to note the deemed approved

55:10

deadline. Councilwoman Ross,

55:11

>> thank you, President Hill, for that

55:13

information. Um, I think I get now what

55:17

you are saying where last week I was

55:19

also very confused. I'm like, well,

55:20

who's going to have the building? Who

55:22

are these residents going to go to? What

55:24

senior wants to live so high up? But

55:26

after you answered Mr. um, Councilman

55:28

Jones's question, I see that you're

55:30

working backwards. You have the end in

55:32

mind, but the first thing you need is

55:34

the building, the apartments, and then

55:36

you can go and get a company who then

55:40

can come in and you can talk about what

55:42

rent looks like and other pieces to this

55:45

puzzle if I'm correct.

55:46

>> That's correct.

55:47

>> Okay. Yep.

55:47

>> Now, I get it because I was on the fence

55:50

as well um because I didn't have enough

55:52

information. But you once you get that

55:54

information, you have to come back in

55:55

front of us. Well, look, I mean, I don't

55:57

know. I don't know what what the you

56:00

know what our who partner partner will

56:02

be yet, but I mean, let me just say that

56:04

look, we have a 50-year track record in

56:07

this downtown, and we've been involved

56:08

in over a half a billion dollars worth

56:10

of projects. Our track record is, you

56:13

know, um we've done kind of the Noah's

56:15

arc of redevelopment, almost one or two

56:17

of everything. And we've, you know, I

56:19

think, um, you're in good hands here.

56:22

We're going to take good care of this

56:23

project.

56:24

>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Jones. I appreciate

56:26

that. That's it for me.

56:28

>> Thank you. Are there any other

56:30

questions?

56:32

>> Not a question. Um, well, I guess it's a

56:34

question. I would like someone from

56:36

lobby road to kind of review the

56:38

standard of review for council members.

56:48

>> I I don't understand your question.

56:52

If you could articulate the standard of

56:54

review on land development plans

56:57

>> if you could just go over give us a

56:59

summary.

57:02

>> I don't understand your question for

57:04

standard. I mean you have the you're

57:06

welcome to ask as many questions as you

57:08

want to ask. It's really up to your

57:11

personal preference whether you choose

57:12

to vote yay or nay. I'm not quite sure

57:16

what you mean by the standard of review

57:18

for land. There's no separate

57:22

there's no separate criteria for land

57:25

developments versus contracts versus any

57:28

of the other resolutions that come

57:30

before you.

57:35

>> Okay. Thank you.

57:38

>> Okay. Is there any further discussion?

57:42

Okay. Seeing and hearing none, I will

57:44

entertain a motion to resume our

57:46

legislative session.

57:48

>> So move. Is there a second?

57:50

>> Second.

57:51

>> Thank you. So before us we have

57:52

resolution 74 of 2025.

57:56

Mr. Humphrey, could you please read it

57:58

one more time?

57:59

>> Resolution 74 2025, a resolution

58:02

approving the preliminary/fal land

58:04

development plan for 333 Market Street,

58:07

submitted by Bradley Jones of Harristown

58:09

Development Corporation to convert

58:11

vacant office space into residential

58:13

units and associated site and access

58:15

improvements.

58:16

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

58:17

any final questions, comments, or

58:20

concerns related to resolution 74 of

58:24

2025?

58:27

Okay, I have one comment. Um, since this

58:31

seems to be rushing through the process,

58:33

I and the lack of information, I will be

58:36

voting no. Um, simply because I want to

58:40

maintain affordability, especially for

58:43

our seniors. Um, so, Mr. Mr. Humphrey,

58:46

could you please call the vote?

58:48

>> Miss Daniels,

58:50

>> yes.

58:52

>> Miss Davis,

58:53

>> no.

58:55

>> Miss Green,

58:56

>> no.

58:58

>> Mr. Jones,

58:59

>> yay.

59:01

>> Miss RWS,

59:03

>> yes.

59:04

>> Miss Hill,

59:06

>> no.

59:10

>> It is tied. Resolution 74 is tied with

59:14

tied

59:14

>> three to three.

59:17

>> Okay,

59:19

next

59:20

we have do we we don't have to re What

59:25

happens with the tie? I don't know. I I

59:27

haven't experienced

59:29

a tie.

59:34

>> Is the mayor the decision?

59:38

>> No. He says no.

59:43

break the tie.

59:45

>> Okay. A tie fails.

59:47

>> And I I would note that um

59:52

based on the discussion that was had um

59:55

it's certainly able to be reconsidered

59:57

even tonight if you wanted to then pull

59:58

it back and put it back in committee

1:00:01

because you're waiting for more

1:00:02

information. So, that is a

1:00:03

reconsideration a legislative body is

1:00:06

allowed to do.

1:00:07

>> Uh, if you wanted to keep it open as

1:00:09

opposed to letting it start over again.

1:00:12

Um, and you've pointed out that you have

1:00:13

time.

1:00:14

>> There is time. Thanks for that.

1:00:18

>> First, you have to make a motion to

1:00:19

reconsider.

1:00:21

>> Need a second.

1:00:21

>> So, two motions.

1:00:24

>> So, Councilman Jones.

1:00:27

>> I want to make a motion to reconsider my

1:00:29

vote. I thought it was only someone I

1:00:31

know can ask for it to be reconsidered.

1:00:33

No, it's anyone. All right.

1:00:34

>> Reconsider.

1:00:38

>> Councilman Jones, would you like a

1:00:39

motion to reconsider the resolution

1:00:42

>> 73

1:00:45

>> 74?

1:00:46

>> Yes, I would like a motion to reconsider

1:00:48

um resolution 74 of 2025.

1:00:51

>> Is there a second?

1:00:53

>> I second that motion.

1:00:54

>> Thank you.

1:00:56

>> Mr. Humphrey, could you please call the

1:00:58

vote?

1:00:58

>> No.

1:00:59

Miss Daniels,

1:01:01

>> we don't vote, right?

1:01:03

>> What are we voting on?

1:01:04

>> A mo there's a motion on the floor to

1:01:07

reconsider resolution 74 of 2025.

1:01:11

>> And technically, the only question is

1:01:13

should you reconsider it as a and then

1:01:15

another motion would come after that

1:01:17

>> to for it to go back in committee.

1:01:19

That's why I was trying to determine. So

1:01:21

there's a the motion on the floor is to

1:01:23

reconsider resolution 74 of 2025.

1:01:29

Yes,

1:01:30

>> Miss Daniels. Yes,

1:01:32

>> Miss Davis.

1:01:33

>> Yes,

1:01:34

>> Miss Green.

1:01:35

>> Yes,

1:01:37

>> Mr. Jones.

1:01:38

>> Yay.

1:01:39

>> Miss RWS.

1:01:41

>> Yes,

1:01:43

>> Miss Hill.

1:01:44

>> Yes.

1:01:45

>> That motion carries six to zero.

1:01:49

>> Okay. Now, I entertain a motion.

1:01:53

>> Yes. Is that the

1:01:56

>> I would make a motion to table it.

1:01:59

>> I will make a motion to table resolution

1:02:02

74 of 2025.

1:02:04

>> Okay. Is there a second?

1:02:05

>> A second. Thank you. Any questions?

1:02:09

Mr. Humphrey, could you please call the

1:02:11

vote?

1:02:12

>> Miss Daniels?

1:02:15

>> Yes.

1:02:16

>> Miss Davis?

1:02:17

>> Yes.

1:02:18

>> Miss Green?

1:02:19

>> Yes.

1:02:21

>> Mr. Jones?

1:02:22

>> Yay. Miss RWS,

1:02:24

>> yes.

1:02:25

>> Miss Hill,

1:02:27

>> yes.

1:02:28

>> That motion carries six to zero.

1:02:30

>> Now, I have a question, if I may, before

1:02:32

Council President Hill goes. Um, so that

1:02:35

means he doesn't have to start this

1:02:36

process over. We just request the

1:02:38

information that we were seeking from

1:02:39

him.

1:02:40

>> I think you should probably bring the

1:02:41

gentleman back in maybe in a small group

1:02:43

to have a discussion for what with the

1:02:45

chair about what they're looking for.

1:02:47

>> Okay.

1:02:47

>> And then from there, figure out a

1:02:49

timetable to bring it back.

1:02:50

>> Bring it back on.

1:02:51

>> Bring it back. Yes.

1:02:52

>> Yeah. I I would prefer for council

1:02:54

members to just meet with Mr. Jones and

1:02:58

get whatever answers you need. As far as

1:03:00

I'm concerned, his application met the

1:03:02

requirements of like the statute. So, I

1:03:06

don't need any more information. Um

1:03:09

there's nothing that mandates the

1:03:11

affordable housing that were telling

1:03:13

developers that they have to comply

1:03:16

with. Like I think if anything maybe

1:03:19

lobbyers should draft that ordinance to

1:03:21

require the 20% affordable units. Um but

1:03:25

the you know the the application meets

1:03:28

the standard. So um I would ask council

1:03:31

members to meet with Mr. Jones and then

1:03:33

once you're satisfied just let me know

1:03:35

and I'll schedule when it gets on the

1:03:38

agenda again.

1:03:39

>> Okay. Thank you. We understand that

1:03:40

there's no mandate for affordability,

1:03:42

but when we're dealing with seniors, we

1:03:44

want to know a range of something.

1:03:46

Giving just a blanket answer isn't

1:03:49

sufficient enough for me. Um, so we will

1:03:53

>> Yeah. And we can do that by passing an

1:03:54

ordinance that required it. So that

1:03:58

recurring issue over and over because if

1:04:01

it gets denied, then it gets appealed,

1:04:02

then we have to spend the money

1:04:04

defending an appeal that's not

1:04:05

defensible and it's just a waste of

1:04:08

money for everybody. Okay. Well, thank

1:04:10

you for your comments. Uh we will move

1:04:12

forward with our meeting agenda.

1:04:14

Resolution 75 of 2025. Mr. Humphrey,

1:04:18

could you please read it into the

1:04:19

record?

1:04:23

>> I think you have the wrong agenda.

1:04:26

>> Yeah, I think I have the wrong agenda,

1:04:28

too. 75 or 77 is not on this agenda.

1:04:34

>> Okay.

1:04:35

>> 75 or 77.

1:04:38

I don't know how I have the different

1:04:39

one, but okay. Um, yeah. I don't know.

1:04:45

Okay.

1:04:53

75 was a

1:04:56

preliminary preliminary and final land

1:04:59

development plan for 1605 to 1613

1:05:03

Market Street submitted by Chris

1:05:05

Franklin. Okay. So, since my agenda is

1:05:09

different,

1:05:11

uh, next would be resolution 78 of 2025.

1:05:17

And we will vote on this. Mr. Humphrey,

1:05:20

could you please read that one into the

1:05:21

record

1:05:25

75 we're going over because it's not on

1:05:28

this printed agenda. So,

1:05:33

>> resolution 78 of 2025, a resolution

1:05:37

ratifying an agreement with locality

1:05:38

media incorporated doing business as

1:05:41

first due for the implementation of

1:05:43

software for the city of Harrisburg Fire

1:05:45

Bureau and authorizing the city to

1:05:47

negotiate and enter into a 5-year

1:05:48

renewal agreement for such services.

1:05:51

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

1:05:53

any final questions, comments, or

1:05:55

concerns related to resolution 78 of

1:05:57

2025?

1:05:59

Okay, seeing and hearing none, Mr.

1:06:01

Humphrey, could you please call the

1:06:02

vote?

1:06:03

>> Miss Daniels,

1:06:05

>> yes.

1:06:06

>> Miss Green, Miss Davis, sorry,

1:06:09

>> yes.

1:06:10

>> Miss Green,

1:06:11

>> yes.

1:06:13

>> Mr. Jones,

1:06:14

>> yay.

1:06:16

>> Miss RWS,

1:06:17

>> yes.

1:06:18

>> Miss Hill,

1:06:19

>> yes.

1:06:21

>> Resolution 78 of 2025 passes by a vote

1:06:23

of six A's to zero nays.

1:06:26

>> Thank you. Resolution 79 of 2025. Mr.

1:06:29

Humphrey, could you please read it into

1:06:31

the record?

1:06:32

>> Resolution 79 of 2025, a resolution

1:06:35

accepting the offer from the

1:06:36

Pennsylvania Department of

1:06:38

Transportation in the amount of $11,000

1:06:41

in just compensation for the acquisition

1:06:43

of a portion of real property identified

1:06:45

as tax partial number 63-024-051

1:06:50

and necessary easements for the I83

1:06:52

widening project.

1:06:54

>> Thank you. Uh, council members, are

1:06:56

there any final questions, comments, or

1:06:58

concerns related to resolution 79 of

1:07:01

2025?

1:07:03

Seeing and hearing none, Mr. Humphrey,

1:07:04

could you please call the vote?

1:07:06

>> Miss Daniels,

1:07:08

>> yes.

1:07:09

>> Miss Davis,

1:07:11

>> yes.

1:07:13

>> Miss Green,

1:07:14

>> yes.

1:07:15

>> Mr. Jones,

1:07:17

>> yay.

1:07:18

>> Miss RWS,

1:07:19

>> yes.

1:07:20

>> Miss Hill,

1:07:21

>> yes.

1:07:23

Resolution 79 passes by a vote of six

1:07:25

yays to zero nays.

1:07:26

>> Thank you. Resolution 80 of 2025. Mr.

1:07:31

Humphrey, could you please read it into

1:07:32

the record?

1:07:33

>> Resolution 80 of 2025, a resolution

1:07:36

authorizing the submission of a

1:07:38

Pennsylvania local share assessment

1:07:40

grant application for up to $1 million

1:07:42

from the Commonwealth Financing

1:07:43

Authority to fund renovations of the

1:07:45

city's public works facility at 1820

1:07:47

Paxton Street, Harrisburg, PA 17104.

1:07:51

>> Thank you. Resolution 80 of 2025 will

1:07:54

move to the public works committee.

1:07:56

Next, we have resolution 81 of 2025. Mr.

1:07:59

Humphrey, could you please read it into

1:08:01

the record?

1:08:01

>> Resolution 81 2025, a resolution

1:08:04

authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

1:08:06

negotiate and enter into an

1:08:08

intergovernmental cooperation agreement

1:08:10

with the Burough of Penrook authorizing

1:08:12

the city to continue to provide

1:08:13

municipal solid waste and recycling

1:08:15

collection and disposal services within

1:08:17

the burough.

1:08:18

>> Thank you. Resolution 81 of 2025 will

1:08:22

also move to the public works committee.

1:08:24

Next, we have resolution 82 of 2025. Mr.

1:08:28

Humphrey, could you please read it into

1:08:29

the record?

1:08:30

>> Resolution 82 2025, a resolution

1:08:33

ratifying and approving the 2026 through

1:08:36

2028 basic labor agreement between the

1:08:38

city of Harrisburg and local 521

1:08:41

American Federation of State, County,

1:08:43

and Municipal Employees, Council 13.

1:08:45

>> Thank you. Resolution 82 of 2025 will

1:08:49

move to the administration committee.

1:08:51

Next, we have resolution 83 of 2025. Mr.

1:08:55

Humphrey, could you please read it into

1:08:56

the record?

1:08:57

>> Resolution 83 of 2025, a resolution of

1:09:00

the Council of the City of Harrisburg

1:09:02

ratifying and approving the 2026 through

1:09:04

2028 collective bargaining agreement

1:09:06

between the city of Harrisburg and the

1:09:08

Fraternal Order of Police, Capital City

1:09:10

Lodge number 12.

1:09:12

>> Thank you. Resolution 83 of 2025 will

1:09:15

also move to the administration

1:09:16

committee. Next, we have resolution 84

1:09:19

of 2025. Mr. Humphrey, could you please

1:09:22

read it into the record?

1:09:23

>> Resolution 84 of 2025, a resolution

1:09:26

approving the seventh proposed 2025

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budget reallocation, appropriation, and

1:09:31

allocation of certain funds.

1:09:33

>> Thank you. Uh resolution 84 of 2025 will

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move to the budget and finance

1:09:39

committee. Next, we have resolution 85

1:09:42

of 2025.

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>> Resolution 85 of 2025, a resolution

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confirming the appointment of CIS M.

1:09:49

Dillard to serve on the Citizens Law

1:09:51

Enforcement Advisory Committee.

1:09:53

>> Thank you. Resolution 85 of 2025 will

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move to the public safety committee.

1:10:00

Old business, Councilwoman Ross.

1:10:03

>> Yes, thank you, President Hill. I just

1:10:05

quickly wanted to reread into um

1:10:10

a statement that I made at our last work

1:10:12

session that was about our legisl

1:10:15

legislative session on October 28th. Um

1:10:19

so I just want to read it word for word

1:10:21

just so it's on the record. So just give

1:10:23

me a moment. Indulge me please. I know

1:10:25

we all heard it last week, but uh during

1:10:28

council's legislative session on October

1:10:31

28th, a resident chose to speak about my

1:10:33

daughter. While I fully support freedom

1:10:36

of speech, there is a proper time,

1:10:38

place, and purpose for public comment.

1:10:41

City council meetings

1:10:44

are a space for government business, not

1:10:47

personal matters or public commentary

1:10:49

involving family members. Because of

1:10:52

that unexpected and inappropriate

1:10:53

remark, I was unable to deliver my

1:10:56

closing statement or provide my

1:10:58

reasoning for my no vote on resolution

1:11:01

60 of 2025. I chose to remain composed

1:11:05

and professional in that moment, but it

1:11:07

is important that I address this

1:11:08

publicly and directly. I am more than an

1:11:11

elected official. I am a mother.

1:11:14

Speaking about my children or any member

1:11:16

of my family in this form is completely

1:11:18

unacceptable.

1:11:20

If any resident has information

1:11:22

concerning the safety or well-being of

1:11:24

my daughters, I am more than willing to

1:11:26

listen privately. Email me, call me, or

1:11:30

speak with me directly. But personal

1:11:32

matters involving my children do not

1:11:34

belong in a public government setting.

1:11:37

Every member on this day was elected to

1:11:41

serve with strength, integrity, and

1:11:43

professionalism. None of us earn these

1:11:46

seats by being meek or mild. We

1:11:49

represent our community with respect,

1:11:52

accountability, and strong values, and

1:11:54

we expect the same in return.

1:11:58

Now, regarding res regarding resolution

1:12:00

60 of 2025, I voted no because not a

1:12:03

single unit in that project was

1:12:05

designated as affordable housing. I

1:12:08

truly appreciate the effort to

1:12:10

revitalize a long vacant property and

1:12:12

increase our tax base. Harrisburg

1:12:14

desperately needs new development.

1:12:16

However, also believe firmly that all

1:12:18

residents deserve access to quality

1:12:20

housing in any area of this city,

1:12:23

regardless of their income. We cannot

1:12:25

continue to concentrate affordability

1:12:28

in only one section of Harrisburg. My

1:12:31

commitment is to the progress of our

1:12:33

city and to the people who live here.

1:12:36

Let us continue to keep our dis

1:12:39

discourse focused on this on the issue

1:12:42

that matter most to the community as a

1:12:44

whole. Thank you.

1:12:47

Thank you. Any other old business? I

1:12:50

would like to note that resolution 75 of

1:12:53

2025 is on the posted agenda on e-codes.

1:12:57

Um, so as such, I would like to add it

1:13:01

to committee. So, resolution 75 of 2025,

1:13:06

do you have it so you can read it into

1:13:07

the record, Mr. Humphrey?

1:13:09

>> I can.

1:13:10

>> Okay.

1:13:12

Was

1:13:16

it already in committee?

1:13:19

>> No.

1:13:20

>> No, it hasn't it hasn't been discussed.

1:13:25

Resolution

1:13:27

75 of 2025, a resolution approving the

1:13:31

preliminary land development plan for

1:13:34

1605 through 1613 Market Street,

1:13:36

submitted by Chris Franklin of Handles

1:13:39

Helping Hand Foundation to consolidate

1:13:41

and resubdivide the various lots

1:13:43

comprising the project site into four

1:13:45

separate parcels on which attached row

1:13:47

homes will be constructed and associated

1:13:49

site and access improvements.

1:13:51

>> Thank you. Resolution 75 of 2025 will

1:13:55

move to the Community and Economic

1:13:57

Development Committee. I would also like

1:13:59

to note that the deemed approved

1:14:01

deadline for that resolution is December

1:14:04

30th, 2025.

1:14:07

Is there any other old business for

1:14:08

discussion? Okay, seeing and hearing

1:14:11

none, new business. Councilman Jones.

1:14:13

>> Thank you. Yeah, I just um wanted to

1:14:16

make an announcement for the community

1:14:18

um at large that uh Pro Rank

1:14:22

uh LLC and PennDOT is offering a uh

1:14:28

program for atrisisk youth. Well, not at

1:14:30

risk youth. I would say justice involved

1:14:32

youth from the ages of 18 to 24 where

1:14:36

they will be teaching them um skills of

1:14:39

construction inspectors, uh traffic

1:14:41

control tech, materials testing

1:14:44

assistant, CDL drivers and carpenters.

1:14:47

Um this is a paid program for those

1:14:49

individuals. Um so uh through pro rank

1:14:52

and pendot you can reach out to uh pro

1:14:55

rank you can either reach basier vincent

1:14:57

reach out to vice basier vincent or

1:15:00

email info@pranklllelllc.com

1:15:05

info@pranklllelllc.com

1:15:08

and a phone number for them is 88

1:15:12

8557767265

1:15:17

and again if you if you need any more

1:15:19

information, feel free to reach out to

1:15:21

Councilman Jones as well. Thank you,

1:15:22

President Hill.

1:15:24

>> Thank you, Councilman Jones.

1:15:25

Councilwoman Davis.

1:15:27

>> Thank you, President Hill. I just wanted

1:15:29

to take the time. Um, we're here on a

1:15:32

Monday night because tomorrow is

1:15:33

Veterans Day, and I just wanted to thank

1:15:37

all of our veterans and their families

1:15:40

for their service, bravery, and

1:15:42

sacrifice.

1:15:44

I want to let the veterans know that

1:15:46

their sacrifices are deeply remembered

1:15:49

on Veterans Day and every day. Thank

1:15:53

you.

1:15:55

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Davis. And thank

1:15:58

you for your service.

1:16:01

>> You're welcome,

1:16:01

>> Madam President.

1:16:02

>> Yes. Just in in light of some of the

1:16:05

items that have been introduced tonight

1:16:07

>> prior to a discussion on them, uh it

1:16:10

would be I think advisable to have

1:16:12

schedule an executive session whether

1:16:14

immediately before the meeting next week

1:16:16

or another evening as convenient to the

1:16:18

council, particularly to bring our labor

1:16:20

council into an executive session to

1:16:22

discuss the union contracts uh with the

1:16:24

council before we come into a public

1:16:26

session.

1:16:27

>> Okay,

1:16:29

we'll do. Any other new business?

1:16:33

Okay, seeing and hearing none, the time

1:16:35

is 7:19 p.m. I will entertain a motion

1:16:39

to adjurnn.

1:16:40

>> So move.

1:16:41

>> Is there a second?

1:16:44

>> Second.

1:16:45

>> Thank you. We stand a journ.

1:16:48

>> I know.

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