Low-Stress Equity & Options Strategy | Ft. Kirubakaran Rajendran | MastersInOne | EP - 72
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>> Trading strategy is the only thing that
you need to know. Everybody will become
a profitable trader. No risk-free
trading in trading, but there is
stress-free trading. Our no trading
mentality.
We always aim for higher risk, but that
is not the right approach. The
professional traders will always aim for
lower drawdowns. So, that is become
sensation among the world like, "Okay,
so anybody can become a profitable
trader if they have a positive edge."
>> How much capital you started your
trading journey?
>> I started with 5,000 rupees of my
scholarship money. Now, I'm currently
trading with a capital of around
>> Namaste dostho.
My Vijay Thakkar.
I'm already Masters in one game podcast
man.
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>> Thank you so much, Vijay. Thank you so
your podcast. Now, we know virtually for
a long time, but this is the first time
now we are meeting in person. And I
always hear good about you. And now,
because in our industry, we know, right?
I told you when we were coming in cab,
there are very few genuine people who
share knowledge with respect to our
industry. And you are one among them who
has been continuously sharing whatever
things that you have learned. And also,
you are really genuine in what you are
doing. So, you should keep doing what
you are doing.
Uh, I saw your tweet one day when you
bought your house and you take your
parents to that house.
>> Yes.
>> So, that time I feel, I don't know why,
I feel proud it. You know, then and that
time I commented also for you.
>> Right. Right.
>> Because I can understand that feeling
that what it it gives to your parents,
okay?
>> Right.
>> on the Twitter and then I understood
that you are not normal trader.
>> [laughter]
>> You are very systematic trader and you
work with rules.
>> Right.
>> And then I saw your podcast with Saket.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. So, that time I decided that I
will do podcast with Kiro Bhai because,
see,
our podcast name is Masters in One.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. So, what I feel that in stock
market, there are 100 types of ways to
make money.
>> Okay.
>> But you have to master in one and you
have to deep dive in that method and
then you can make money in that method.
It's It's totally okay. You do option
selling, you do
intraday, you do you do scalping, or you
do swing trading, or you do investment,
anything. But you have to master in one.
>> Correct.
>> So that is why we started this podcast
>> Okay.
>> My My method is only one method which I
follow multi-year time frame breakout.
But there are many other trader and
investor, they have their own method. So
I tried to, you know, bring them here.
And I tried to show their method and
their mindset to other people also who
are trading in stock market. So this was
the logic of starting this master's in
one podcast. So that is the one thing.
Now,
but
not
>> Exactly. I do not know Hindi. So but
I'll try to keep it very simple
>> Right.
>> so that anyone who listens to this
podcast, they can replicate what we are
trying to showcase.
>> Correct.
It's based on rule and logic.
So I will tell you everyone okay up is
called language today build some some
dough. Okay. So yes,
first I want to understand your journey.
>> Okay.
>> Right. Because before that tweet
Correct. Or
>> Okay.
Sure. Sure. See that the it is good that
you have brought that topic of whatever
the no tweet that you have seen me
>> Yes.
>> where me buying the house. Because I
started trading in the year 2008.
>> Okay.
>> And I always wanted to buy a own flat of
me
completely through the income from
trading. So, it took me a long years of
journey where just like every single
trader will goes through ups and downs.
Okay, I bought that flat just last year.
So, it took me almost 16 years to get to
that phase. So, that was the first time
when you know, in one year I was almost
making 1.5 crores of income completely
from trading. So, I thought, "Okay,
should I need to know pull out some
portion of that capital and buy
something or should I keep compounding
it?" When you keep compounding it, it is
just a number in your account. The
moment you take your profits out and do
something that gives you the emotional
value, which no one can replicate.
Correct. So, as you rightly said, the
moment when my parents saw the house
which I bought
that is like
you cannot equivalent equate it to any
kind of income that you make, right?
That is a pure emotional moment. So, I
am very glad that I've taken the
decision of buying the home from my
trading income. So, the overall journey,
even though I started in the year 2008,
I became a systematic trader only from
the year 2014
after I read a book called How I Made $2
million by Nicholas Darvas.
>> Oh. So, since 2014 you are doing
automated system
>> Correct. So, 2014 is when I started
getting into algo trading. So, you know,
back then there was no broker providing
API. None of them were giving these kind
of automated tools. It was totally you
know, new and very very minimal people
were doing algo trading back then. So,
there is one company called Symphony
FinTech. So, they were the one who were
providing algo trading solutions back
then.
And when you have to do algo trading
during those period, the kind of money
that you have to spend just to set up an
automated system itself was so high.
Like I ended up spending 1.5 lakhs just
to set it up.
>> Like that time.
>> That time because you need to buy
AmiBroker. They charge you around 30,000
per year and again, every month you need
to buy data. Now you are getting data
free from broker. Earlier, they will be
charging 2,500 for that. And then, I do
not know coding. So, I have to rely on a
freelancer where I have to give them the
rules. He will write an AmiBroker code.
So, I don't know, back then AmiBroker
was very famous. So, AmiBroker has its
own programming language called
AmiBroker Formula Language, AFL. So,
he'll be writing the AFL codes. And
then, by the time we automated it, yeah,
I ended up spending almost 2 lakhs. And
I remember saving that AFL name as
life-changing indicator {dot} no
Kirubakaran, whatever my name. Because I
have added all the indicators into it, I
thought that is the holy grail. But, no,
it eventually did not work. But, that
was a learning phase.
>> Mhm.
>> So, that is how it started. And then,
eventually, I know, I started learning
more about systematic trading, being
more about process-oriented. What you
rightly said, like masters in one, which
means that you take one specific path
and become master in it and keep
following
diligently. Eventually, that is going to
work for you. So, over the years, you
would have gone through multiple guest.
Everyone would have discussed you
multiple setups. But, just because
someone said interesting, you did not
stop what you were doing and jumped into
the other one.
>> Correct.
>> What you were doing, you were continuing
to do till date. Even now, when I came,
you were showing your setup, right?
Because that is your hardcore logic
setup. Which you believe in it. So, that
is what exactly every single trader has
to follow. You pick the one which is
suitable for you and stick to it longer
period of time. So, that is exactly what
I also did.
>> So,
like since 2008, you are in market, and
since 2014, you started,
you know, trying automated trading,
systematic way, process way. So, at the
time of start, what the difficult things
you are getting it? Like,
you told this thing only that you
started
depending on the that the coder
then and till when when you started your
proper systematic trading what year?
>> So what it will happen almost again some
additional four years because in 2014
you're getting into algo trading you're
new over the period you will make a lot
of mistakes with respect to systematic
trading. So again it took me additional
four years in order to know correct all
my mistakes and then only I start
totally jumped into a proper systematic
way because I'll tell you one example.
That was the last slide I kept but I
think that is the first thing I should
not talk to you about because it is all
about
when I started trading or when anyone
starts trading
if
trading strategy is the only thing that
you need to know everybody will become a
profitable trader. Correct. You have so
many YouTube videos you have so many
books but still why out of 100 people 90
people are still losing money why 10
people are still making money.
In order to figure that out it took me
so many years.
Fortunately I read one article which is
not related to trading it is related to
neuro science.
The moment I read that article
everything came into picture I'll tell
you what it is.
>> Yes.
>> You are very wearing the watch right?
>> Right.
>> You remove the watch.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. And you remove it from your left
to wear it in your right.
>> Okay.
>> Okay if someone else is watching this
video who's wearing it in their right
just you know change it and watch it in
the other side okay.
Until that point I always thought
what in order to make money in markets
is all about strategy strategy strategy
but the moment I start you know
completely finish that article it is
beyond strategy something else is there
what do call it that is neuroplasticity?
So, what neuroplasticity is
until now when I asked you which side
watch you're wearing, you're wearing on
left side. Now you started wearing it on
right side and it is just 20 seconds.
Now you started feeling uncomfortable
like you are not really comfortable with
the right side. You will not even know
know the weight of the watch. You don't
even remember that you're wearing the
watch. Now you could feel this because
for long many years you are so used to
one habit.
>> Right.
>> When you are so used to one habit, brain
forms a neuroplasticity. There is a
certain habit.
>> So, this was my body part like
>> Exactly. So, when someone is doing
repeatedly the same thing for a long
period of time there will be a
neuroplasticity that will be formed in
your you know brain. When you try to
break that it will give you
uncomfortable signal just like how it is
giving you now.
It that is why it is very hard to break
a good habit, very hard to break a bad
habit because the neuroplasticity is
formed.
In trading
when you see any person who is coming
into trading, he will learn one
strategy.
Now he'll apply it for some day. After
three or four back-to-back losses, he
will think this is stopped working.
He'll move to some other strategy.
So, he's not giving enough room for the
strategy to work. So, when he jumps from
one strategy to the other strategy, the
neuroplasticity is not formed in your
brain. So, that is why in trading many
people keep jumping from one strategy to
the other strategy because they tend to
think that strategy is the core logic.
No, that is a secret that everyone has
it.
But the moment in you know anyways we
are going to explain one strategy in
this particular video, right?
End of this video whether this strategy
or whatever the strategy people follow
if they pick one strategy like they have
to decide this is the strategy I'm
picking for next 100 days I'm going to
follow the rules of the strategy.
It does not matter whether the it is
giving you profit or loss on a trade to
trade you know trade to trade basis.
Just if it gives buy, I buy. If it gives
sell, I have to sell. I have to just
focus on the process.
So 100 days when you do it,
automatically the brain will form the
neuroplasticity.
101st day
you take the trade as per the rule.
But now you try to break your own rule.
Try to cut the stop loss. Try to put the
target. Get modify your stop loss and
take a break. Go for a tea.
Before even you complete your tea, your
brain will start giving you the same
uncomfortable signal.
It will tell you you have you know
formed a neuroplasticity. Now you have
breaking your habit. Go back and get
back to your old habit. So what it will
say is you will be completely
uncomfortable because you have changed
the rules, modified the stop loss,
modified the target. So now your mind is
totally shifted from outcome to process.
You're not bothered about whether it is
going to give you a profit or not. But
you are more bothered because the brain
has started giving you uncomfortable
signal since you have broken the habit.
So now you will go and you know follow
the rules. You will change the stop loss
back to its original point. That is what
is segregating the profitable trader
from the you know losing traders. Once
you give enough time for the strategy to
form the neuroplasticity, no matter
what, you can't break it. Like you have
seen right so many examples. The moment
the stock stocks give you 2x or 3x, even
though you're tempted to you know close
it, the moment you have been doing it
for a longer period of time, you will
not bothered about that one trade
outcome. Over the period you know this
is going to work in your favor. So you
will start following it.
>> Correct.
>> So that is what is the most important
part like in the most important you know
lesson that every single trader has to
you know take it up.
>> So the lesson is that you have to follow
the process and at least you have to
follow the process for the longer period
of time. Right. So then you will
understand that how these things works
or not. Right. So, this
this thing also I have understood Kiru
because I am trading since 2000 you can
say 2013 2014. Right. I started my
career in 2009, but I started trading in
2013 2014. So, previously also I used to
do this thing only. Sometime I do
intraday, sometime I do BTST STBT,
sometime I do swing trading, sometime I
become investor.
>> Right.
>> So, actually you know what? I was doing
many things. I was very busy with all
this thing, but I was not making any
profit.
>> Correct.
>> Because I don't know actually what I
want to do.
>> Correct.
>> And I don't know what I have to follow.
So, then after certain year I understood
about multi-year breakout, then I
started practicing about that thing, and
then I realized that this one simple
thing is giving beautiful return, then
why should I follow other things?
>> Exactly.
>> And then after that day I started
practicing only this method only, but I
was not knowing that what I am doing
actually that neuroplasticity wala
thing. So,
So, Kiru bhai, I know you because you I
know that thing that you do mostly
option trading, option selling. And I
don't know that you do investment also
or not, but I know this thing
>> Right.
>> And you are very process driven.
Okay, I have tasted the tested this
strategy. This is giving this much
result. Recently you posted one tweet
about mutual fund something you are
talking about the schemes. Right. So,
Aap aaj hame ek aisa aapka method batao
which you are following also.
Uska rule kya hai? Logic kya hai?
>> Sure.
>> And why you are following this strategy?
And if you have the back test result
then also you can show that to us.
>> Done. Done. See, I'll I'll start with
explaining the core of any strategy that
you follow. There should be certain core
principles behind it. So, when you trade
with equity
>> Mhm.
>> as long as you know you were saying
right as long as the market is in bull
run you will make.
>> Correct.
>> But if the market is in bear run we
can't make returns because all the
stocks will obviously go down.
>> Mhm.
>> So, what I have combined in this
strategy is two methods. One is a turtle
trading method and the other one is dual
momentum. I have clubbed it together to
create this strategy.
Turtle method is created by Richard
Dennis in 1974.
>> Okay.
>> So, during that period Richard Dennis
was the first person who popularized
systematic trading among the crowd.
>> Okay.
>> So, there was this beautiful incident.
What happened was
Richard Dennis was so confident that
anyone anyone can become a successful
trader if they follow a simple
rule-based approach.
So, he tried this experiment by hiring
some 14 different traders
who do not have any background
experience in Wall Street, any
experience in trading. He taught them
the basics of trading and gave them a
rules to all the 14 people. So, when all
the 14 people were given the same rules
they just have to follow it strictly,
right? So, that is what they did.
And by following a systematic rules all
these 14 traders eventually made close
to 175 million dollars back in 1974
itself.
So, that has become sensation among the
world like okay, so anybody can become a
profitable trader if they have a
positive edge.
So, that was there in my mind. And next
there was a book I read by Gary
Antonacci. The book name is the dual
momentum.
Where he combined gold and equity
together. Okay. So, when you trade it
together based on the market moments
like when the market is in bullish phase
it will invest in Nifty. If the market
is in bearish phase it will invest in
gold. That was his concept. So I combine
this turtle method along with the this
momentum dual momentum method to create
a strategy where you can implement this
in Nifty bees or gold bees.
Two things, either you can implement
this as a standalone strategy
or many option sellers what they do is
they buy a liquid case debt funds or you
know Nifty bees or gold bees pledge that
and trade.
When you directly buy Nifty bees it can
give you 12% on an average but the
drawdown is very high right right it can
go down 6 59 60% like in 2008 60% it
went.
>> Even in COVID also?
>> COVID it went 33%. So when your you know
asset which you have pledged if it goes
down then your position sizing will also
get affected.
>> Correct.
>> So I want to have same kind of Nifty
returns but I do not want that kind of
high drawdown. So they can also apply
this strategy.
>> [clears throat]
>> So the underlying is two things. One is
Nifty bees and the other one is gold
bees. So what I'll do is first I'll just
you know show you the chart.
>> [clears throat]
>> See this is the Nifty bees chart.
>> Correct.
>> Okay and this is the gold bees chart.
>> Correct.
>> What I have done is I have created a
ratio like this
where you divide Nifty bees by gold
bees.
>> Okay.
>> That will plot a chart like this. You
are seeing the chart right?
5 it oscillates up and down.
>> So if you see this 2008 period
>> Mhm.
>> this ratio is down.
>> Correct.
>> During 2007 the ratio is up.
So whenever this ratio is in uptrend I
will buy Nifty bees.
Whenever this ratio is in downtrend I
will buy gold bees.
>> Okay. Because you are dividing by Nifty
bees that's why.
>> bees. So whenever the ratio is higher
I'm going to buy gold I mean Nifty.
Whenever the ratio is in downtrend I'm
going to buy gold. Like in 2025, if you
see
from 2024 till 2026, I would have bought
gold, not Nifty. Okay. So, I would be
sitting in a very good profit. So, by
doing this, you will actually trying to
uh buy that market which you will move.
Exactly. So, whichever is in trending,
I'm not predicting whether it is going
to be bullish or bearish. I'm just going
to find whichever the instrument is
trending.
>> So, but how do I find this trending?
>> That is the next question.
>> Right. I was coming to that question.
>> Because it is simple chart. Anybody will
know what you say uptrend, I can say
downtrend.
>> Uh because if I follow normal Dow Dow
theory, then also
>> Correct. So, my rules is simple. So,
what I've done is you create this ratio,
and then you apply the turtle trading
system into the ratio. The turtle
trading system says
check what is the last 20 days highest
high price, like highest price.
>> Okay.
>> And check what is the last 20 days
lowest price.
>> Okay.
>> If the last 20 days highest price is
crossed,
>> Mhm.
>> we go long.
>> Mhm.
>> If the last 20 days 20 days lowest price
is crossed on the downside, we go short.
This is the turtle trading system rule.
>> Okay.
>> Instead of applying that rule on either
Nifty Bees or Gold Bees, we are directly
applying it on the strategy itself.
>> Correct. In the ratio chart. In the
ratio chart.
>> So, this is the ratio. So, in this
ratio, when I apply the rules,
>> Okay.
>> so automatically, it is going to giving
me the signal. Like the green one is the
highest high price.
>> average.
>> Correct. And the red one is the lowest
price.
>> This is basically a 20-day simple moving
average.
>> days, not moving average. Donchian
channel.
>> Donchian channel.
>> Exactly. So, when I apply this Donchian
channel here, I can clearly see when it
is breaking out, when it is you know
breaking down.
>> So, what is the setting which we have
to, you know, do in the Donchian
channel? anything.
>> simple. 20 days 20 days. That's all. 20
days.
>> Nothing else.
>> So, when the 20 days we we are
since the ratio is on close to close
basis.
>> Yeah, like [clears throat] on the
>> We use only the last 20 days, the close
price. It's not the high or low. It is
just the close price.
>> Okay.
>> So, now it is very clear. Whenever the
signal gives me a buy, I will go and buy
the gold bees. I mean, sorry, Nifty
bees.
>> Nifty bees.
>> And whenever the signal gives me a sell,
I will exit the Nifty bees and buy gold
bees.
>> Okay.
>> So, simple. I have to keep oscillating
between Nifty and gold.
>> And this you will follow on a week time
frame on a daily
>> Daily time frame. Daily time
>> The ratio chart is on a daily time
frame.
>> frame. So, you just divide the ratio
like as I said, Nifty bees by gold bees.
Track what is the last 20 days you know,
highest high price or 20 days lowest low
price.
>> Okay.
>> Whenever the signal comes, buy Nifty
bees.
>> Mhm.
>> Whenever sell signal comes, exit the
Nifty bees, buy gold bees.
>> Okay.
>> That is the core logic behind it.
So, once I do this,
automatically this is helping me in two
things. One is Nifty and gold is having
a negative correlation.
>> Right.
>> Because the both asset classes are
different.
>> Uh.
>> So, earlier if I'm trading this only in
stocks, obviously if the market is going
down, I'll be in sitting in a negative
returns or no returns zone for a longer
period of time. But having this
uncorrelated thing, when one is giving
me a bullish signal, the other will give
me a negative signal. So, obviously
during the down period, the gold is
going to help me.
>> Okay.
>> And second most important part currently
is the charges.
See, with the with respect to this kind
of setup, the number of trades is very
very minimal. Like you know, you've been
trading for a longer period of time.
Like the you know, if we have seen in
December 2025, it is asking me to buy a
gold. Sell signal.
>> Okay.
>> And now it is asking me to buy Nifty
bees.
>> Nifty bees.
>> So, almost for seven or eight months,
only one trade. So, charges is very
minimal.
>> Right.
>> And also,
when you calculate the STT
for stocks versus ETF,
>> Mhm.
>> your charges on STT is significantly
lower. I've given this example, you
consider this.
>> Okay.
>> We have no buying some stocks. I don't
even remember what is the stocks cross.
>> lesser than half.
>> It is much much much lesser. If you see
the charges, it is 60 rupees. Here it is
just 20 rupees.
>> Mhm.
>> So, 1/3 of the charges because with STT
for Gold Bees, there is no STT.
>> That is also advantage.
>> Yeah, and for Nifty Bees, the STT is
0.001%.
>> Mhm.
>> Whereas with the stocks, it is 0.1%.
>> Mhm.
>> So, huge difference where the
significantly when you're trading with
the higher capital, your STT goes down
drastically because you're trading with
the Nifty Bees and Gold Bees.
>> Okay.
>> So, charges itself has gone down
drastically. Now, coming to the drawdown
part.
So, Nifty Bees, you know, in 2008, if
I'm doing buy and hold Nifty Bees during
the global financial crisis, it has gone
down 60%.
>> Correct.
>> But this rotational strategy has given
me only 24.95, almost 25% only drawdown.
>> Right. That is also positive.
>> Yeah, and all the you know, the one our
as per our you know, trading mentality,
>> Mhm.
>> we always aim for higher risk. But that
is not the right approach. The
professional traders will always aim for
lower drawdowns.
Because there is a statistical study
done by University of France where
consider you have made 1 lakh today.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. Tomorrow, you have lost 1 lakh.
>> Mhm.
>> You are in a no profit, no loss.
Correct? You are in zero. Like you never
lost your capital. Today, you made 1
lakh. Tomorrow, you lost 1 lakh.
>> Correct.
>> But when they studied the brain pattern
of the same trader when he is making
profit versus when he is losing money,
the pleasure of making money versus the
pain of losing money. The pain of losing
money is two times higher than the
pleasure of making money. So, even
though I made one lakh today and lost
one lakh tomorrow, I would be extremely
sad even though I did not lose from my
capital because that is the emotional
drain that you will have. So, one day
studied it among a lot of traders, they
understood that
the guy who is performing really well on
the markets for the longer time are the
best risk management people. So, they
will control the risk to a greater
extent. They will always prioritize
reducing the risk. So, that the pain of
losing money will be very, very less.
So, that over the period you will not
feel you know, very stressful or very,
very emotional about the market.
>> And that gives you confidence also
because there is one [snorts] loss which
I always talk in my video, that is
emotional loss. Right. So, if you will
loss continuously that emotion part, so,
your confidence will come down. Exactly.
And if you are getting a very good
opportunity also now, then also you will
think that no, I don't want to trade.
Maybe this will also hit my stop loss.
Exactly.
Because now, they always say, right?
There is no risk-free trading in
trading. But, there is stress-free
trading. You have to pick how do you
define your rules accordingly so that it
doesn't give you any stress.
>> No, that is actually a very good thing.
Almost half drawdown we are avoiding.
>> Exactly. Like, the pain point is gone
down and if you see in the major crisis
like 2008 and 2009, this rotational
strategy has significantly outperformed
both Nifty bees and gold bees.
>> So, this is also outperformance. Now,
you are not you are not going down uh
>> on the drawdown part, but on the returns
part also you are you know, really doing
well. Even on the COVID time also, the
rotational system has given you good
returns.
>> Oh.
>> So, even during this period, the gold
you know, rally period,
>> Right.
>> Nifty did not give you good returns.
But, combining both
>> Yeah.
>> with this rotational part, you would be
betting on the trend.
>> Yeah, so recently I was talking to one
investor
I think one week back only. He is from
also Chennai. So I was like that sir, I
have not made that much money last
financial year. I am feeling not good
not feeling good this last financial
year for. So he was like that Vijay, why
you have not invested in gold and
silver? So then also I understood are
you I was
I was having that option also. I did not
invest that is my mistake.
People are made money there also. So
ultimate aim is to make money.
It's not like that you buy gold or
silver or you make money via stock.
Right. So that time I understood that
this one simple thing I did not
understand.
>> Because you know as you rightly said,
you see people are buying gold. Why
people are buying gold? Is it because
they understood the economic concept
behind it? No, because it is trending.
It is moving up. They could literally
see Nifty is going down but gold is
moving up. Let me now reshuffle the
investment
and also people who are having a larger
capital, pension funds and all these
funds, whenever there is an uncertainty
in the market, specifically when Trump
like people you know when there were
there is negative news that comes out,
obviously people wanted to move a safer
you know asset class. So gold acts like
that safer asset.
>> And and there is one one interesting
thing is this in this data. Normally we
have not seen the crash like 2008 and
2009 till now in the Indian market.
If you see the chart on a monthly time
frame of the Nifty, so you will
understand the most painful year was
2008 and 2011.
There were no return in that
for five years.
After that we have not seen that type of
bear market in our history only.
So always we had came down by 30, 40,
15% and in two years again we break the
high and we Uh, a rally. So this is that
important thing is that in that bad year
also you are you're going down only 16%.
>> Correct. Correct. Correct. And also know
like in 2008 and 9, you consider the
both the years together, it is almost
made 75% return.
>> Yes.
>> So, even if you take the overall CAGR.
>> Okay.
>> If I started 1 lakh at the you know year
of 2008, I would be currently sitting
with a portfolio value of 20 lakhs.
>> Oh.
>> And with the CAGR of 18%.
>> Uh, where we can make it 12% or 11% in
Nifty.
>> Correct. And with you know 11% or 12% in
Nifty comes with 60% drawdown. Here you
are making 18% CAGR with just 25%
drawdown. And you have a very good
profit factor and more know you are
easily able to beat both Nifty bees as
well as gold bees buy and sell buy and
hold.
>> this is very good return. I think 18%
you are making via this strategy only.
And then you can do option selling also
and then
>> Exactly. That is the best part because
as an option seller, see my returns
expectation is this know this there is
this rule of 72.
>> Okay.
>> So, rule of 72 states that 72 divide by
the expected rate of returns will tell
you how many years it is going to take
for you to double your capital.
>> Okay, right.
>> If I'm making only 10%.
>> Uh.
>> Then as per rule of 72, it is going to
take me 7.2 years just to double my
capital.
>> Correct.
>> My returns expectation is to make 30%.
>> And already almost 20%
>> Yeah, 18% comes from 4 year you will
make your double. Exactly. So, every
every 2.4 years, I can double my capital
if I make just 30%.
>> Okay.
>> 18% comes passively through the
strategy. Rest 12% I have to make from
option selling. You have eight expiry
per month.
>> Only 12% you have done.
>> Yeah. So, monthly only 12%.
>> are making 7 8% monthly.
>> You because here my expectation is set.
30% I make, I double my capital 2.5
years. As I said earlier, I'm not
chasing the returns. I am want lower
volatility, lower drawdown. So passively
the pledged equities, the gold bees and
nifty bees, if you buy and pledge it,
90% margin you're going to get, only 10%
haircut. And it is going to give you
18%. And rest 12% if I make per year and
my returns expectation is met, right?
>> Okay.
>> So it comes with when you know when you
manage it with nifty bees or gold bees,
if you compare
the overall CAGR is very minimal if you
start the peak of 2018. And gold bees
also the drawdown is significantly
higher.
>> Mhm.
>> But instead of putting it 50% 50% by you
know making it like this rotational
strategy, that is hitting your expected
rate of returns with a lower volatility
and it suits your
like most people
end of the day everybody wants to make
returns.
>> Right.
>> It doesn't matter if I sit every day
from 9:00 to 3:00 and end of the year I
make 30% versus I still do the same you
know once six months or once or three
months of kind of a trade returns. And
if I'm still making you know hitting
that returns part, then it doesn't
matter, right?
>> Correct.
>> I'll compare that with this you know
I'll show you this chart. So this is the
year wise chart.
>> Mhm.
>> So this is a rotational strategy year
wise returns.
>> This is which platform?
>> This is I back tested it using AI.
>> Okay.
>> So that has given me this report where
all I have to do is I just have to
download this data like I download this
data here.
>> So you you use AI also in your trading.
>> Yeah, I use you know the
>> So nowadays people are saying that AI
will take your job. You had you had you
are doing job with AI.
>> Because AI it is for a guy like me who
doesn't know coding. I always say there
are good traders, there are good coders,
but there are very few good traders who
know also coding. But for person like me
who have the market knowledge, but do
not have any coding knowledge, if I have
a idea, how do I test it? I do not know
any coding. So that was a barrier 2
years ago, 3 years ago. Now, that
barrier is totally removed.
>> So, how have you used AI in your
trading?
>> So, many things. Say, for an example,
even with the respect to this Nifty Bees
thing. So, what I did is I just
downloaded the data. Okay, overall the
you know, daily data I've downloaded it.
>> And and from where we have to download
the data?
>> download from the TradingView. If you go
here,
>> Okay.
>> I just download the chart data
and download it. That's all. The data
gets downloaded.
>> So, this will give us what?
>> So, this will give me the historical
price data from see here, if you see
like you can select the period.
>> 2018.
>> You can select 2008 also. Whatever the
period that you mention.
>> is the EOD closing price of the Nifty
Bees.
>> Nifty Bees.
>> Right.
>> Similarly, you can download the same
price for Gold
>> Gold Bees.
>> So, I download both the data.
>> Okay.
>> And also, I'll download the ratio data.
Like you have the ratio here, right?
>> Oh, yes.
>> So, ratio I'll download it here.
>> And this feature is in It is in
TradingView. I don't I didn't I did not
know also.
>> Huh.
>> [laughter]
>> So, I downloaded three sets of data.
Nifty Bees, Gold Bees, the ratio. Okay?
>> Right.
>> Now, I can go to Claude and I can
specify like see, I've attached the
files.
You go through it and I I'll show you
what I've now chatted with it. Let me go
up.
>> So, your Claude is your assistant.
>> Completely, completely. I don't know
multiple things based on that.
>> [snorts]
>> Because you know, when you just give the
clear prompts, it would automatically
you know, calculate what is the rules
that you have specified and accordingly
it is going to give you a structured
returns.
>> Okay.
>> So, this is what I said. So, I have
uploaded the data and I told see, with
respect to Nifty Bees and Gold Bees,
>> So, we uploaded only how many files?
>> So, I have uploaded the files here. Like
you know, if you scroll up, you will
see.
Yeah, here. Gold Bees and Nifty Bees
here.
>> Okay. attached to the gold bees and
nifty bees. I did not even give the
ratio. I just asked it to know, create
the ratio by yourself. So, it will
divide the values of nifty bees by gold
bees based on the whatever the actual
data we have given and accordingly it
would calculate. So, that is how this is
calculated the overall returns. We have
seen that 20 lakhs the final portfolio
and overall what is the overall rotation
strategy CAGR? What is the signal? When
did it come? Overall equity benchmark,
the drawdown.
Everything it will create and then it
has given you this HTML file.
So, this is where you know that
AS developed. So, it would automatically
analyze like this. So, it will check the
files and it would check necessary you
know, it would write the Python code on
its own and then it would automatically
you know, back test it for yourself. It
will not even give you code. It will run
the code itself and then it will
generate the output file automatically.
So, that is what it did. It
automatically you know, did all the
calculations and everything and
accordingly it would generate this HTML
file which shows that okay, out of 19
years 15 years it is profitable.
Year on year this is the overall
strategy returns of the rotation
strategy.
So, every single time you start with 1
lakh and you ended up with 20 lakhs just
by compounding your returns every year.
If you track the last 4 years like if
you compare it with you know, nifty and
if you compare it with you know, overall
out performance. So, even if you put 50%
in nifty bees and 50% in gold bees and
continuously hold it also you will not
be able to beat it.
So, it has given you you know, a
significant returns like these black
bars are nothing but the strategies
returns.
And these blue bars are the 50-50 buy
and hold. So, consistently it is able to
beat the overall returns you know, year
on year basis and as long as you run it
you know, the compounding will work in
your favor.
So, that is the best part. So, with
respect to this strategy, you don't need
any fan fancy things or anything like
all you have to do is find the ratio,
apply the ratio, and check out whenever
it gives you buy or sell signal.
>> Okay.
>> It is much easier to track the trend
based on the ratio rather than applying
it on the individual basis.
>> Right. And this is logical also.
>> Exactly. Mathematical, quantifiable. I'm
not asking you to know look for any
visual chart pattern.
>> Right.
>> It is pure mathematical.
>> I'm not tracking any news actually.
>> No news, no economic factors. Works on a
no pure core fundamental principles. And
you are able to see whichever is
trending. And obviously whichever is
trending that is going to give you the
signal here.
>> After after looking this, I think many
will stop their SIP.
>> [laughter]
>> Because normally mutual fund SIP gives
you 15 to 18% return, 20% return per
annum on a CAGR base. But if you manage
your own capital with this way,
>> Right.
>> you know, you are beating almost mutual
fund.
>> Yeah, this is for lump sum it is good.
Like SIP is totally different. SIP
>> SIP is all different thing, but for the
mutual
suppose one person is investing in
mutual fund for the long-term thing,
the lump sum amount. So, this is this is
actually you are beating mutual fund.
Yeah, right.
>> And with the lesser drawdown also.
>> Right.
>> And that that is what. So, it works the
moment you give for a longer you know
duration. The compound works in your
favor. So, if you for an example, if you
see from 2008 to 2018, the returns was
almost flat. From 2018, 19, 20 onwards,
it has grown significantly up because we
started compounding, reinvesting all the
profits. So, it started growing
significantly.
So, every year like 2020, it has given
almost 46%. 21 again 26%. 23, 24%. So,
everything like consider an option
seller guy who has just bought this
based on the you know strategies. And he
pledges it and then trades. Like now
last year I could make 28% from the
strategy itself.
>> Uh
>> My expected returns is 30% yeah.
>> So it is much easier right?
>> Correct.
>> So on the long run it works beautifully
because of the core logic which we have
told. One is turtle system rules and the
other one is Gary Antonacci's you know
dual momentum rule.
>> Okay.
>> try to combine it in a different
mathematical way so that you know that
gives you a clear idea on what asset
class you should invest in.
>> Okay Kiruji, so this is very interesting
that you invest in Nifty and gold base
as per the method which you have built
the ratio chart. But then
what you trade in option for other 12%?
Obviously you have 12% to make
maybe you are making more than 12%. But
what other thing you do in options? Like
you have told me off the camera that you
do multiple thing using AI with the
option selling. But if you can share one
simple logic or one simple strategy that
also will be very helpful for everyone.
>> Yeah sure. See whatever things we have
done is for the passive income which you
do not need to spend so much of time in
order to follow the strategy which I
have shared.
>> Right.
>> For the options what we can do is first
instead of directly
>> [clears throat]
>> directly going to a stock market or algo
test and try to create a strategy out of
it.
>> Mhm.
>> First let's study the market behavior,
understand how a zero DTE movement will
work, how on expiry days market moves.
>> Okay.
>> So this screen is something which I have
built it for my internal research
purpose.
Where I can select any zero DTE days
like if I select go back this is a zero
DTE tracker.
>> Okay zero DTE means the the expiry days.
>> Yeah expiry days it shows what is the
straddle. Say for an example
>> And what is the meaning of straddles?
Because I don't know about options.
>> I'll explain. So straddle is nothing but
at the time of market opens.
>> Oh.
>> Say market opened at around 22,500.
>> Right.
>> So 22,500 call and 22,500 put both the
strikes premium you add it together that
is the straddle premium.
>> And I will sell both the both the call
and put.
>> Correct. So at 9:16 when I check at what
price it opened
>> Huh.
>> it is around 251 rupees.
>> Correct.
>> We have to ignore 9:15 because we can't
get the correct precise price.
>> Right.
>> So this is a 9:16 price. So by 9:16
you see add call option and put option
together and you are seeing the price is
approximately around 250.
>> Mhm.
>> And this red dot is where the price has
gone to the highest level.
>> This data we are checking that is
basically of 30th March 2026.
>> Correct.
>> Right.
>> Okay. And
the straddle opened at 250 and
eventually it went to high price of 314.
>> Okay.
>> And then started declining. It reached a
low price of 98 rupees.
And again it spiked up somehow but the
end point is where it opened and where
it closed.
>> Right.
>> Opened at 215 I mean 250 and closed at
around 200 some so 50 points of overall
profits you get 196. So approximately
around 50 points of profits you make.
>> Right.
>> So likewise if you keep observing every
single straddle chart on
when I click on previous it moved to
24th March 2026 the previous weekly
expiry.
So there again it opened at 230.
>> Mhm.
>> And then it closed around 69.
>> Right.
>> And the high was around just 17% only it
moved up.
>> Okay.
>> But eventually decayed.
>> Right.
>> So once you keep studying these market
behavior
>> Huh.
>> it is clearly evident that most of the
time
the straddle decays.
>> Okay.
>> So So this is the observation.
>> Yeah.
>> So the straddle decays but if I just
leave it open without any stop loss
obviously when the market trends, I
might lose money. Right. So, I have to
study
out of multiple these kind of scenarios,
how many times the straddle from the
time it is open moved up What is the
highest point it moved If it opens at
100, if it moves to 125 rupees, then 25%
is the maximum movement it has moved.
>> Uh.
>> So, likewise, if you keep observing
every single time, you will have an
answer like what is the maximum
percentage
>> percentage it went up.
>> Yeah.
>> So, for here, it if you see, it is 9%.
>> 9%.
>> So, if you keep scrolling, it it has
seen 98% also.
>> is 98%?
>> So, I cannot you know use a small
stoploss. So, there will be instances
where it moves 55%. There will be
instances where it moves only 7%. So,
there will be calm days, there will be
wild days. So, what you can create Now,
you can go to AlgoTest, or you can go to
StockMock, and try creating a strategy
based on this observation.
>> Mhm.
>> Create a short straddle at the market
opens at 9:16. Use a combined premium
stoploss. So, that when if you're
shorting at 100 rupees, both call option
and put option together, if it moves to
130, no, together, both C and P
together, if the premium moved to 130,
then I will exit both call and put.
>> So, that I don't want to take one no
risk. I'll just trade only once a day,
only on expiry day. So, this way, what
happens, most of the time when the
market did not move beyond 30%, the
straddle will be you will make Other
days, when it hits, you're losing very
little.
So, on 100 days, 70 days, it will work
in your favor. The rest of the 30 days,
it might hit the stoploss. When you're
losing the when the stoploss is hit,
you're losing a little, but other days,
that is going to make up for the overall
profits. So, this is one kind of a
simple example where you observe the
market behavior first. Like, for an
example, in this case, it did not even
spike. Like, it opened at 472,
and it closed at 444. So, almost 400
points of profit in just one day.
So, likewise, you once you observe it,
you will have a different idea.
>> And what what is the closing time of
this straddle?
>> You close at 3:20 in the evening. So,
open at 9:16, close at 3:20 one day.
>> again here you are you are protecting
the risk.
And you are allowing the profit.
>> Right. I am not trying to create option
buying strategy. I'm not trying to make
50 100% returns because my expectation
as I said is clear. Make 30%. 18% comes
passively. Remaining 12% is my
expectations. And in that case, just one
trade. So, we have eight expiries in a
month. So, even if even if this works
and gives you a 0.25% returns, that
itself is going to give you, you know,
2% returns in the end of the month. So,
your target will be hit. So, now when
you go and, you know, build model on
based of on top of this, then the
expected rate of returns can be
achieved.
>> Okay. And other than this this is just
one logic you had shared here.
Uh other than this, you invest in stocks
also?
>> Stocks I do only SIPs, but not in
stocks. I do only with respect to mutual
funds, and that too only on the index
funds. See, I after I read one article,
I stopped doing SIPs on the stocks.
>> Okay. What is that?
>> So, it is all about say it happened in
19 150 years before. Okay? Before even
the oil was found.
150 years before, people
what they used to do is
they will go for a whale hunting. So,
that is the major business. Why do
people go for a whale hunting is not for
the you know, meat of the fish.
They do this because from the whale,
they are able to extract a wax.
And using that wax, they can use it in
the industries to burn lamps, to you
know, light oils. So,
back then when kerosene oil was not
discovered, they were using the wax from
the whale to run the industries.
And everyone will go for this, you know,
whale hunting. So, people who were
having the ships who would go for the
whale hunting, the moment they capture
the whale, that's it, their complete
yearly profit is done. So, they were the
millionaires.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Back then. People who would go and hunt
the whales, they became millionaires.
People who were funding the, you know,
for the whale hunting, who were giving
the ships, they were also making
millionaires. So, one whole industry was
a millionaire industry.
>> Right.
>> After some 20 or 30 years, they
discovered oil.
The moment they discovered oil, people
stopped going for whale hunting. It is,
you know, no more uh it's no more
profitable
>> no profitable business, huh.
>> And everybody started really digging
oil, and then it's it became an industry
standard. And people who were
millionaires went bankrupt overnight
because nobody started, you know, using
the wax from the whale. Because it
doesn't make sense.
The disruption will happen like that.
So, an industry which is top most
industry, take Kodak. Kodak camera was
one of the best cameras in the world,
right? But they did not know were able
to move to the advanced one. Even there
is one guy from Kodak employee who
created the first digital camera. But
they did not accept that because Kodak
was relying on film rolls.
>> Mhm.
>> They said, "No, if we move to this
digital camera, our film roll business
will eventually lose money, so we can't
do this." But eventually what happened?
Some other company, you know, started
giving this digital camera, and
eventually eventually they went
bankrupt.
Same with Micromax. Same with Nokia. So,
the industry leader who was today might
not be the industry leader tomorrow, no
matter what.
>> Mhm.
>> So, when I do an SIP, I'm not doing for
5 years or 6 years. I'm doing it for my
next generation. I just wanted to know
because in our parents' generation, they
would have invested in land.
>> Correct.
>> In our generation, we have invested in
these kind of liquid assets. So, I want
to pass on the wealth to my kid. So, for
that I need to be really certain that
the investment value will not go down.
So, studying the industry histories has
told me that okay, whoever is a market
leader today might go bankrupt. So, I
might invest, but what if in case if the
company is not there anymore? What if
the industry is not there anymore? But
one thing that I'm really certain is
index funds will always be there.
Economy, the overall index is nothing
but it's a trend following system
because they keep the good companies,
kick out the bad companies.
>> Correct.
>> So, that is the core idea behind index
funds.
>> Okay.
>> So, when I keep doing the SIPs on the
index funds, be it Nifty Bees, be it
Gold Bees, that is I'm very
No, I'm very confident this will be
there for the next 30 years or 40 years.
Even though it is giving me a minimal
returns, but the returns will be there.
>> Right. Actually, you are not getting
minimal returns. You are you are making
good return than other fund managers
also.
>> when you make good thing for a prolonged
period of time, that compounds.
>> Mhm.
>> So, that is why I stopped doing No,
stocks SIP and started doing only index
SIP.
>> Now, one more question. This is very
personal. If you want to answer, you can
answer or you can say no also.
>> Mhm.
>> So,
uh with how much capital you started
your trading journey, trading or
investment journey?
>> See, when I started trading, it was in
2008. I started with 5,000 rupees of my
scholarship money, right? And that has
happened like before even I went to
work. And when I started working in
Infosys, my salary was 15,000.
>> Mhm.
>> And eventually, you know, once I started
learning about the markets, whatever
things that I learned or whatever the
work that I did, every single money I
have, you know, started putting into the
markets. Every single thing I have
started putting into my strategies.
>> Mhm.
>> And over the period, it started
compounding both the investing part and
the trading part also. Now, I'm
currently trading with the capital of
around the 2.5 CR.
>> Mhm.
>> Where I pledge, like I don't trade with
the cash as you said. I will pledge that
for all of our these kind of rotational
strategies.
And then using the margin, I trade. So,
I currently I trade only on zero DD. I
don't trade on other days.
>> Okay, so you don't need cash for M2M
also.
>> M2M I'll keep 10%. Okay, M2M definitely
you need it. So, whatever the overall
capital you have, 10% of that will be in
always in cash. So, that no, you don't
need to liquidate your assets. The rest
of the things will be in the mutual
funds or it will be in the gold bees or
nifty bees.
>> So, from 5,000 rupees to 2,000 2 crore 5
2.5 crore, so you have never withdraw
anything from this amount?
>> No, see I've only added more funds into
it because see over the period your
income will also grow. So, when you are
when you're making higher income from
your job, you add in more funds. So, it
is not that I turned 5,000 rupees into
2.5
>> Obviously, you have invested also.
>> I've invested more and more money which
I've now generated from my other incomes
and put into the trading. That is how it
grown. So, when you keep taking out the
cash for this and no, when you don't
allow for the capital to grow,
compounding becomes much Like for an
example, last year I took out my profits
to buy the flat. Correct? If I have run
with the same capital, definitely my
returns would have been significantly
higher. But there are certain moments
where you can't equate it, right? So,
those kind of emotional moments has to
be there.
>> What was your last year profit which you
invest in your flat?
>> So, that I took almost 1.5 CR. So, 1.5
CR is a flat. I took almost some 80 to
90 lakhs from it. Rest I kept it in
trading account. And I know rest I just
put it up on EMI and then went on.
>> That's that's very good. And now since
how long you are trading full time
trading and investing?
>> 2017 is when I quit my job. So, 2017 to
till date now I'm totally into full
time.
>> Okay, but since like 2008,
for example, you are trading. So, 2008
till 2017, almost 10 years,
you traded with your job only.
So, why I'm asking you this question
because normally people what they think,
if you do trading for 1 year and then
they going they then they stop doing job
because they think that I have learned
many things. And up to job come a full
time trader
but this is not the actually thing. I I
told many people that don't do don't you
know
don't quit your job because you are
started trading before 1 year because
you have not seen the proper cycle also.
Okay, if your job is okay obviously
nobody loves their job but if your job
is giving you bread and butter and if it
is giving you a comfortable stress-free
life
for your family then you should work
with your job and you make your strategy
like that that you can do with your job
also. And nowadays it is very easily
possible. It is not that that you cannot
make money with working also. Right. So
and in 2014 there was not so many
platform but now there are so many
platform. You just bring your logic you
try to apply here and you just do it.
And to make more money you need money
also. So you have to work for that to
become a to make good capital also.
So that is the thing and you know when
you do things like when you quit your
job and try to become a full time trader
when I did in my case what happened is
before I quit the job I was making at
that point of time I was making good
money from trading itself. Three times
of my salary was coming from my trading
income for 3 months. Then it gave you
huge confidence. The moment I quit the
job the next month I was getting 7,000
rupees and the next month I was you know
making a loss of minus 50,000 rupees.
So one then only you know the reality
has hit you hard because you will have
lot many calculations in your mind. But
the moment you were you know so used to
a fixed income every month suddenly when
you are you know exposed to a
fluctuating income trading income
you will that that will put you in
enormous pressure. So, if someone is
trying to quit their job, the first and
foremost thing that they have to do is
do not depend on trading income at least
for next 2 years.
>> Mhm.
>> Keep a buffer income. Keep some you know
side income or keep a buffer capital
that can take care of all your expenses
for 2 years.
>> Mhm.
>> Because you should not get any pressure
to pay the EMI, pay buy the groceries,
you know, pay the rent, EMIs. All those
things will put so much of pressure.
When so much of pressure is there, you
will deviate from your rules. You will
start taking the trades which you're not
supposed to take. Eventually that will,
you know, put a lot of dent. So, the
utmost criteria is have an income which
you are not depend on trading for 2
years. That will give you a smooth
sailing you know route. And then
eventually you can jump in.
>> And then only you can, you know, you can
wait to, you know,
this decay for [laughter] your trader
trader. Otherwise you will square off at
100 point or 50 point because of the
pressure.
Okay. So, Kiranvai, I like this very
much and actually I was expecting some
uh
uh what we complicated strategy from
your side, but I found that you are very
simple and very, you know, process
driven person.
>> Right.
>> So, I hope I look at the year podcast at
the whole day. Go. Now
Mira Hamisha key intention hota hai ki
main Joe trader hai ya Joe be investor
hai unko aapke samne leke aao or unka
tarika aapke sath share karo. Now
Kiranvai, in this podcast Joe apne
bataya hai that Nifty gold and
Nifty gold
ratio chart that is a takeaway for me.
Okay. If that that process is making 18
to 16% return, that is actually a very
big thing.
>> Exactly.
>> Because this is only for two different
asset class. What if in case you find
such a ratio in some other stocks, two
different stocks? If both are
uncorrelated to each other. apply the
same ratio in that and try to back test
it. What if in case that gives you 20%
or 24%? So, it is just I just opened a
path to the users. From here, people can
try multiple other things and they can
create their own different set of
systems.
>> this ratio chart, we can also understand
that now we have to be in the market or
not.
>> Mhm. Exactly.
>> And that is also the thing. So, thank
you, Kirubai. Thank you very much.
And once again, thank you, sir. Thank
you.
>> Thank you. Thank you so much, Vijay. As
I said earlier, whatever things that
you're really doing, I know I'm I'm I
can really feel that energy that you are
really a humble person and you wanted to
explain or convey many things to your
subscriber base. So, you always feel the
gratitude and I could literally see
that.
>> And and I feel that responsibility also.
That I should not take anyone's else on
that seat. Because that seat is very,
you know, responsible one.
>> Very true. Very true.
>> So, that's why my number of podcasts are
very less because I try to connect with
the real person, with the real genuine
trader or investor. So, that's it.
But, this is very good thing.
>> Right. Yeah, that is what. So, because
we are always so used to one
perspective. But, when you try to mix
you know these two things like Turtle
Traders system is one system, Dual
Momentum is one system. But, combining
it together, creating a ratio of it, and
apply the rules on the ratio is
something I find it very fascinating.
Because this uh you know this idea comes
like you know for traders most of the
idea will come when you're taking a
shower. That is your you know thinking
room. When I was taking a shower
suddenly you know I used to think,
"Okay, this is a nice idea."
>> Right.
>> But, if I have to try this maybe 5 or 10
years before, I have to rely on a coder.
Now, with the help of AI, you can
directly download the data from
TradingView, give it to AI, instantly
you get the result, right? That is what
this
>> So, one more question. I am using
generally ChatGPT.
>> Okay.
>> What do you think I should shift to
Claude or ChatGPT? Because there is one
guy who is also using good AI.
>> Okay.
>> He told me that Vijay, please shift to
Claude AI because that is much better.
So, what is your view?
>> See, there are four different AI
platforms which is for four different
purposes.
>> Mhm.
>> Perplexity
No, the Perplexity AI is specifically
for
search purposes. It replaces the Google.
Now, I I never go to Google now and
search for something. Instead, I use my
Perplexity app for research.
>> Okay.
>> Specifically for searching something.
>> Okay.
>> Next thing is ChatGPT is your buddy.
Like whatever things that you have say
suppose I'm repeatedly getting a
headache, what should I do? So, it it's
your chat buddy where whatever things
you know suddenly have certain things in
your mind, go and chat it.
>> Mhm.
>> For all trading related purposes, for
all research purposes, for all analysis
purposes, start using Claude.
Claude is the best. Whether if you
wanted to write a Pine Script, it will
write. You want to write a Python, it
will write. The number of errors that
you're going to face will be
significantly lower in Claude than any
other platform. Gemini AI, you can just
say for example you want you wanted to
watch a one-hour podcast, but I want the
summary of it in short. So, now I will
use Gemini AI or I use Perplexity
Assistant to summarize the video so that
I'll take important learnings from that.
Okay, so you segregate each and every AI
tools for specific work that will do
wonders for you.
>> Okay.
>> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
>> [music]
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