Harrisburg City Council Work Session 3-4-2025

um the time is 5:31 p.m. I would like to

call our work session to order

Mr Parker could you please call the

role Miss

Daniels Miss Davis present Miss green

present Mr Jones here

Ms RS present Mr Rodriguez present misss

Bowers present thank

you we have quite a full agenda this

evening so I'll just get started with

the work of the administration committee

we have two bills and three resolutions

for discussion we will begin with Bill

one of

2025 Mr Parker could you please read it

into the

record

yes Bill one of

2025 an ordinance amending chapter 2-

515 citizens law enforcement advisory

committee of title two administrative

code to Grant City Council exclusive

appointment authority over the citizens

law enforcement advisory

committee thank you um before we open up

the floor to any questions my colleagues

may have I just wanted to refresh

everyone's memory a little bit um about

the citizens law enforcement advisory

committee so the Council of the city of

Harrisburg recognizes that the mission

of the Harrisburg Bureau of police is to

protect and serve the public with honor

integrity and professionalism the

council acknowledges the importance of

public accountability of the her B

Bureau of police as well as law

enforcement throughout our nation to

ensure that the constitutional rights

and freedoms of all people are

upheld the council further recognizes

that fostering a strong and Collective

relationship between law enforcement and

the community is essential in building

trust enhancing Public Safety and

ensuring effective policing the council

recognizes there is a significant

community community interest in

strengthening the relationship between

the Harrisburg Bureau of police and the

residents they serve and ensuring that

the bureau remains accountable to the

people of Harrisburg the council finds

that providing opportunities for ongoing

dialogue oversight and collaboration

between the community and law

enforcement will help build public

confidence in the bureau and support the

goal of a safer more unified City to

further these objectives the council

established the citizens law enforcement

advisory committee through Bill 8 of

2020 as an advisory body composed of

City residents dedicated to promoting

transparency accountability and trust

between the community and law

enforcement the council in its ongoing

efforts to provide clear and consistent

leadership in governmental appointments

has expressed a preference for the

council to have sole authority over such

appointments to ensure alignment with

its broader Public Safety and governance

priorities in light of this policy

approach the council has determined that

the appointment Authority for the

citizens law enforcement advisory

committee should reside exclusively with

the council which was previously shared

between the mayor and the

council so uh just to note

chapter we're amending the

administrative code um part five of

title two of the codified ordinances for

the city of Harrisburg is amended uh to

read part five

2-500 entitled boards committees

authorities chapter

2-

515 entitled citizens law enforcement

advisory committee subsection 2-

5157 is entitled original committee

appointments sub sub section A the

original committee shall be comprised of

seven members appointed by the city

council um each of whom must be

confirmed by a majority vote of the

council prior to being Seated on the

committee so if you remember

previously um the original committee was

comprised of five members appointed by

city council and two members um were

appointed by the mayor so this amendment

um would provide Council the opportunity

to

uh make seven appointments versus five

um if you also recall during previous

conversations um regarding the citizens

law enforcement advisory committee um we

have been waiting for the final two

appointments so if you remember all

seven uh policing districts within the

city of Harrisburg must be represented

on this particular board um and we had

two outstanding uh appointees uh which

were forly of the mayor um I don't have

any questions I think that um this

amendment um offers Council the

opportunity to uh make the board um

complete as well as it allows the board

to begin its work um that it could not

start uh or have any action occur

without all seven appointees so I don't

have any questions I am in support um of

Bill one of 2025 I will now open the

floor to my colleagues who may have

additional questions or comments I will

defer to our Public Safety Committee

chair councilman Jones Thank You

president bers uh yeah um I concur with

you um I believe that but um this has

been taking some time for this to happen

and I believe this is another yet

another opportunity for our residents to

uh repair or even build a relationship

with the police department so um and

then you know so they can really get an

in-depth idea of what's happening and

what uh the residents are seeing so you

know I too am in support and I hope that

you know um our colleagues are too and

that's all I have thank you thank you

councilman rri Ruez you served as our

former uh Public Safety Committee chair

do you have any questions or comments

related to Bill one of 2025 yes thank

you madam president um I just Echo the

sentiments of my colleagues to the fact

of we need to stop any attempt of a

tyrannical Association whether it's

government municipality non-associated

entity if there's an a mechanism of

accountability for any Authority I think

it stops and prevents them from to act

out of you know the proper uh procedures

and protocols um I myself had an

incident just in December um where I was

illegally pulled over and I feel as

though that mechanism needs to be there

for accountability plus if we ask our

residents to serve on boards and they

stand up to the test to fight and help

city council and help the city move

forward and then we say oh I'm sorry we

were just playing they showed up for the

meetings they showed up for the

appointments and then we just kind of

leave them out in the in the open I

think we open them a due diligence to

fight harder and it's been going on

since 2020 I just feel as though we're

doing the right thing but at least

trying to move this forward it's not

that we don't want to work with the

administration and making it happen it's

just we feel as though maybe this is one

thing we could take off of the plate of

the administration and assist with even

further so I don't want it to be looked

at as like a tug-of-war type of ordeal

we just feel as though we had great

people appointed um the board was nearly

finished and to wait numerous years just

just for one or two appointments I think

it's just a bit ludicrous at this point

and hopefully we can move this forward

and get this board appointed and have an

accountability measurement for the

residents if or when um any officers or

our law gets a little bit hellbent and

out of shape um that's really all I have

to say thank you thank you councilwoman

R any questions or comments thank you

president Bowers and good evening

everybody um I don't have any questions

um I'm in support of this I remember um

councilman rrig gu working diligently on

interviews on contacting members to be

on the cleak board I'm so I know we put

a lot of hard workor in it on this

project and it's time to move it forward

and also I believe vice president um

Asha green also took part and when it

first started up and she was part of

Public Safety so this has been a

long-going process and I I agree with

councilman Rodriguez it's not a a a tug

of war it's only hey you know let's get

this started the residents are looking

forward to it we they've already been

picked it's time for them to serve

they're ready and the community is ready

so we can continue to build the bridge

between the police department and the

residents and accountability and this is

a great step forward so I'm in full

support of it thank you vice president

green another former public safety

committee chair who was instrumental um

in the development of Bill 8 of

2020 do you have any question questions

or comments uh no questions just

comments um I agree with everyone else

um the time has come it's been come um

you know it's the reason why this this

came to fruition to begin with um even

before I let the charge for Bill 8 um

there was an effort to get this done

years before when uh councilman Johnson

and councilman Majors led the charge

originally um and it just wasn't able to

come together um in 20120 we really uh

made sure we got out there spoke with

the residents held Town Halls even

during the pandemic we did it virtually

we did it at parks uh just to make sure

we could get people's input uh we did

all that we got the input we got it

passed and then um for it still not to

be actually up and running um it just

doesn't serve the residents well so uh I

know that Council has made our

appointments I know the mayor um may

have had some issues finding people uh

that lived in those districts to fill it

so maybe with with our Outreach and our

resources um we can make those

appointments to make sure things get

done and we can continue to move forward

um I know one of the the parts of the

CSA program was supposed to be able to

work uh hand inand with cleak um and the

CSA program has went from a pilot to a

full-blown program to director after

director and and we still don't have

this up and running yet so I look

forward to getting this done um to make

sure that the the residents have that

input and that ability because it was

something that that they really wanted

and continue to want so um I just hope

everyone can support this so we can move

forward with it so thank

you thank you Council woman Davis any

questions or comments thank you

president Bowers no questions for

me okay thank you councilwoman Daniels

any questions or

comments no questions okay thank you um

I did want to

read uh the remainder of subsection

2-51

5.7 um subsection D reads that city

council shall make a request to City

neighborhood groups for recommendations

of qualified residents from their

neighborhood for appointment to the

committee uh subsection 2- 515.24h

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occurring on the committee and

subsection uh 2-51 5.8 subsection D Reed

City Council shall accept the

committee's recommendation or

recommendations or otherwise appoint

another eligible individual subject to a

majority vote of City Council in

accordance with the provisions of

chapter 2 uh section or Chapter

2-31 3 of the administrative

code believe those are all the amended

uh sections so I just wanted to read

those but if there are no further

questions or comments I move to add I'm

sorry president councilwoman Davis yes I

was just going to ask I guess there's no

one here from the uh Administration to

speak on

this this bill well the solicitor can

speak to it I guess from the administ 's

perspective but this bill was at was

drafted at our request if you would like

commentary I'm not sure if you have a

question for the solicitor No my only

point was that it's a council request so

there is no the administration doesn't

present on a council request thank you

for clarifying yes okay if there are no

further questions or comments anything

else councilwoman Davis okay um I moved

to add Bill one of 202 five to our next

legislative session agenda for a

vote next we have Bill two of 20125 Mr

Parker could you please read it into the

record Bill two of

2025 an ordinance for giving and

discharging 2024 city city real estate

taxes including interest penalties and

costs and striking off tax leans for

certain historically tax exempt

properties thank you um is there anyone

from the administration that will speak

to Bill two of

2025 so this request actually originates

out of the law Bureau based on our

meetings with the other taxing

authorities um dolin County at I guess

2023 did a re-registration for the first

time of every uh exempt property in the

Dolphin County a few of the churches

right now we know of three in the city a

bunch outside the city never turned in

their paperwork and then got a tax bill

having never got a tax bill they thought

it was just a mistake and didn't pay the

tax bill uh and then finally realized

they had to go in and deal with the

board the board was able to give them

each an exemption but they couldn't

forgive they don't have the ability to

forgive the prior year's taxes but it

really was just a paperwork era those

churches have all around the three of

them here for a very long time they

haven't always been the same

congregation but they've always been a

house of worship um and so they were

traditionally exempt Under Pennsylvania

Constitution and under under city code

so this is just this is a request to

exonerate those past due taxes because

um neither the mayor or the treasurer

can just give a blessing and wipe them

out so the school board as my

understanding has voted on at least two

of them and is agreeable with all three

I think the county has voted on all

three the Commissioners um and so we're

just basically in line with that um so

that they're currently all exempt they

just have a year of taxes that is deemed

passed due uh that um and I frankly

don't know whether they paid them and

and and appealed or haven't paid them

and appealed but it was just really from

the

administrative uh change in Direction at

the county that's

happened thank you for clarifying um I

don't have any other questions if the

school board and the Dolphin County

Commissioners have taken action guess

we're next in line um so I don't have

any other questions I'll defer to my

colleagues who may have some I'll begin

with our uh budget and finance committee

chair vice president green any questions

no I don't have any questions regarding

this thank you thank you councilwoman

Davis any questions no questions

president of ours thank you thank you

councilwoman Daniels any

questions yeah what's the value of of

that of of this

ordinance what's the dollar amount being

forgiven yeah actually I don't know I

didn't look it up because they shouldn't

have been taxed in the first place but I

can get you that information

and have any properties like paid tax

for 2024 that will have to be

refunded so if they've paid taxes

authorizer refunding I did not get into

the weeds because it was simply agreed

it was an error across the board um and

you know they they have emailed they

have called many people uh and have

presented already to the school board

and to the county uh board of appeals uh

and uh not surprising mostly like unlike

other developer type people their

appeals are all by volunteers helping

them trying to fix their problem and so

uh but I can get you the details on each

property what the tax bill that went out

was what the assessed value is and

whether they were paid or not um but

under Pennsylvania real estate law if

you have three years of non-real estate

taxes you go up for tax sale so you know

they they did their part and came in for

their exemption but they exemption can't

go back to the prior year it goes when

they apply so it left one year open in

question and is are all three properties

do all three belong to the same entity

or or is it three separate owners three

separate congregations nothing as I know

to even do with each other totally

different people contacted us on each of

them do we expect more of these requests

or do you think the problem has been

addressed systemically so we were just

on a call with the county tax Bureau

Representatives the County's tax lawyers

and the uh

um Board of assessment appeals people

there are a handful around the county

that still have not responded at all um

no two years in um they just haven't

filled out an exemption form they

haven't done anything I forget if you

said down to 36 of them around the

county that there's still an open

question so they're Pro they're being

proceeded with as if they are taxable at

the moment um so there could be another

that comes but these are the ones that

have been identified to date

you that's it for me thank you thank you

councilwoman RS any questions no I don't

have any questions but thank you

president Bowers thank you councilman

Rodriguez any questions um no this is

pretty standard in the nonprofit or

churches um type of world so uh thank

you for presenting Neil no questions

thank you councilman Jones any questions

um no um my concerns were same as um

councilwoman Daniel so thank you thank

you you if there are no further

questions or comments I move to add Bill

two of 2025 to our next legislative

session agenda for a vote next we have

resolution 12 of 20125 Mr Parker could

you please read it into the record yes

resolution 12 of

2025 a resolution authorizing the city

of Harrisburg to negotiate and enter

into a Professional Services agre

agreement with Conrad seagull

Incorporated to provide Actuarial

services to assist the city in

negotiations of certain collective

bargaining

agreements thank

you who will be representing the

administration for discussion of

resolution 12 of

2025 somehow I suspect that's me okay

solicitor Grover so uh on December 31st

2025 both the asme contract and the fop

contract expire in the course of making

an evaluating proposals back and forth

we need an actual orial service to

provide long-term analysis of those

numbers what what are the Legacy cost of

a of a proposal in either direction they

will make analysis of both ones that are

made and ones that are as as you're

going through a list of potential things

to figure out which one makes the best

sense so they're not they're not NE

they pre-decisional deliberation type of

things you present professional with a

series of potential options and they

give you how those numbers work um the

uh right now they are under contract to

give us OPB analysis for pension only

but this is to give them a a broader

scope it's not part of their current

contract to do this others and they have

done it for us in the past in other

contract

periods okay thank

you uh I don't have any questions

um no I don't have any questions the

hourly rate is

$325 per hour for the

services and and the services will

essentially be how much we give them

right like if you if you have to look at

12 options it's a whole lot more than

six options

so

okay I don't have any questions I'll

open the floor to my colleagues who may

have additional questions um I will

begin this time with councilwoman RWS

any

questions thank you president bars no

this was pretty much straightforward I

know this is a contract we've been

engaging with with the last bargaining

agreement so I'm fine thank you

councilman Rodriguez thank you Madame

President um solicitor Grover do you

know how far back the relationship spans

with the firm and the city I've been

here since 2014 and they were here

before I got here okay so I don't know

when it started okay I just was gazing

on their website and it seems like they

handled ourselves as well so I just

wanted to see how far have they been

taking care of our accounts and is there

a great standing relationship yeah they

were here before receivership through

receivership and since receivership okay

awesome no further questions thank you

thank you councilman Jones um I will

probably ask you some questions um off

record um I'm try in here

so uh no questions right now okay thank

you vice president green any questions

no I don't have any questions regarding

this thank you uh councilwoman Davis any

questions thank you president Bowers it

sounds pretty cut and dry to me no

questions thank you okay councilwoman

Daniels any

questions have questions okay thank you

um if there are no further questions or

comments related to Res resolution 12 of

2025 I move to add it to our next

legislative session agenda for a

vote resolution 13 of 2025 Mr Parker

could you please read it into the

record

yes resolution 13 of

2025 a resolution authorizing the city

of Harrisburg to negotiate and enter

into a landowner grantee agreement with

the dolphin County Conservation District

in furtherance of the 2024 countywide

action plan riparian buffer

project thank you um believe we have

gentlemen from the district wonderful

thank

you yes if you could please move that

microphone very close to you um press

the bottom button to make sure that it's

on

and is it on yes it's on can you move it

closer to you though if you uh good

evening um if you wouldn't mind

introducing yourself for sure um and

then providing an overview of the

resolution thank you yeah thanks a lot

thank you so much for having us my name

is Eric nuski I'm the uh department head

of the Dolphin County Conservation

District um and uh this is my good

evening I'm Josh Clark I'm uh the

countywide action plan program manager

with hrg and hrg serves as the

countywide action plan coordinator for

golin

County okay great um what we have what

we brought and thank you very much to Mr

Parker and Mr Grover for getting us on

the agenda it's it's a big help we've

been uh we're kind of up against the

time constraint to have this grant funds

these Grant funds spent so again thank

you very much for having us um the

property uh that in we're referring to

is 919

uh Gibson Boulevard it's uh behind the

Dolphin County Work Release Center um

it's about a 2

acre um lawn at this point um since the

building to my knowledge and what I was

been told by the people who work at the

at the um work Relief Center the county

has been maintaining this property since

the center was built in 1996 and

basically that just means mowing the

grass and maybe moving some down trees

if they fall um a couple years ago uh I

was approached when this the countywide

action plan funding came um to the

county and to the district and to the

County Planning Commission um we were

out looking for projects um I was

contacted by the staff at the at the uh

Work Release Center about maybe doing a

lawn to Meadow conversion on this

property to really achieve two main

goals one is to and probably the most

important is to at least in my my world

uh is to improve water quality going to

Spring Creek um the other the other

motivation behind this is um basically

to save costs on the maintenance the

mowing of the property um and the cap

I'm going the countywide action plan I

going refer to it as the cap the cap

funds um are part of a d Grant to the

county to improve water quality the

overall goal of improving water quality

to s River and then therefore Chesapeake

Bay as part of the state's Chesapeake

Bay Watershed um

yeah Watershed plan sorry um we're

looking at about 1.4 acres of converted

um lawn to a

meadow um and I'm going to let joshh

talk a little bit more about the the

technical part of this as far as like

what exactly that means a meadow um and

uh um off the top of my head I think

that's about it um I don't want to take

up too much of your time so Josh if you

want to go over what the sort of the the

nuts and bolts of the conversion what

that

means yeah so the idea here would be to

basically take the turf grass down as

low as we can get it without really

disturbing the soil and then conceivably

we would be drilling the seeds um into

what would have bin lwn so that it can

grow back as native plant species which

would be great for water quality for

pollinators that sort of thing um the

way that this is set up um we have about

a 40 foot um M area that will be

maintained as Turf so that there's a

line of sight through and down the hill

here um and there will also be um about

15 feet the whole way around for the

same purpose so that it's kind of

delineated as an intentional Meadow for

the whole thing um as Eric mentioned it

does reduce maintenance over time um

ideally this will be mowed once a year

after this after it's established so

that um Woody plants don't come through

it will be maintained as a meow over

time and it will lead to reductions for

water

quality okay thank you very

much could I add something to what Josh

said um the county has the county at the

work relase center they they they they

have um agreed to continue the

maintenance that annual mowing so there

would still be no nothing really that

would fall under the responsibility of

the city as far as that

goes thank

you okay I don't have any questions it

seems like

the um the confirmation letter I assume

this is is pretty clear on the

responsibilities um and for main areas

cooperate with the project Partners

during the preliminary work needed to be

completed allow project Partners to

perform site visits during project

scoping review and approve proposed

project design documents and allow the

planting of trees and shrubs on my

property as you mentioned um thank you I

don't have any questions thank you for

your presentation um I will now open the

floor to my colleagues who may have

additional questions this time I'd like

to begin uh with our uh Public Works

committee chair councilman Rodriguez um

do you have any questions or comments

related to resolution 13 of 2025 thank

you madam president and thank you

gentlemen for uh giving us that uh brief

synopsis of the project um are now when

we speak about uh what you guys are

talking about it definitely plays within

the County's comprehensive plan overall

um is there any assessments or any

surveys needed um or will you guys you

ready on

go yeah we're ready to go as soon as as

we're allowed to go awesome thank you no

no further questions thank you

councilman Jones any

questions um thank you thank you guys

for your uh brief presentation you know

but I do just want to say that um can

you guys do a little bit more we need

the best water quality that we could get

right now no but I appreciate uh you

know efforts taking steps towards that

um I think it's a great project and I

have no questions so thank you thank you

councilwoman Ros any questions um no I

don't have any questions I did see that

it was a meadow that was exciting you

know um and helps with the water quality

so um I was excited to see that I did

want to see what it would look like I

know you brought some plans and I didn't

know how we could let the community

members see that um so those were like

my two like comments slash questions

just so everyone could get a

visual I can forward over the Draft

plans and get some concept um photos

included as well that would be great

thank

you vice president green any questions

thank you president Bowers thank you all

for being here tonight I don't have any

questions um I would like to see some

pictures uh when I think Meadows I think

like frolicking through flowers so um

yeah like like uh getting to know what

it would look like a little better um

just helps from a personal perspective

so thank you thank you councilwoman

Davis any questions you president Bowers

and Mr dudeski and Mr Clark thank you

for your presentation um you mentioned

the water quality uh you specifically

mentioned Spring Creek I was just

wondering why you specifically mentioned

Spring Creek I know there's a lot of

other businesses in between and there I

so the topography from the Work Release

Center flows down to Spring Creek so any

of the Overland flow that goes through

that Meadow will be clean before it gets

to Spring Creek

the actual Creek

y okay cause he mentioned Spring Creek

so I didn't know I'm thinking about the

nursing

H okay so you're talking about Oak Creek

well if you don't ask questions you

won't know right the only dumb question

is the the one you don't ask thank you

thank you very

much councilwoman Daniels any

questions no questions thank you okay

thank you if there are no further

questions or comments I move to add

resolution 13 of 2025 to our next

legislative session agenda for a

vote our final resolution for discussion

within the administration committee is

resolution 14 of 2025 Mr Parker could

you please read it into the record yes

resolution 14 of 2025

a resolution authorizing the city of

Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a

memorandum of understanding with the

Squan Township School District for the

purpose of the continued use of assault

Dome storage facility and the removal of

solar

panels thank you a solicitor Grover are

I suspect that's me again you are you

present okay so um so this property at

least related to the city has a long

history it had belonged for decades to

the Harrisburg School District

Harrisburg School District got approved

and transferred the property to Susannah

School District on January 31st of this

year for I've I've lost track for eight

years maybe we've had a salt Dome parked

on these 40 acres plus solar panels we

had acquired are stored there under this

agreement um it extends our time to be

there formally by one year as long as we

remove the Sol solar panels off the

property I think by April 30th is under

the contract uh and then it's up for an

extension for a second year as we

relocate the salt Dome um and I will

note that that uh the school district

our school district shares salt with us

so we're not the only user of that

particular facility um so they've been

in the process of relocating a salt Dome

finding a location for it frankly I've

lost track how that's going but uh but

Public Works has been at that for a

while you need a piece of land that's

outside the flood plan to do that uh and

certain certain features uh to be able

to do it um the uh but this agreement

allows us to maintain that there without

having to immediately relocate uh the

property how long it will take uh that

property put into use otherwise I have

no idea where the subsquent school

district is in the

process thank you uh just wanted to

clarify on the removal of the solar

panels it notes um the solar pan panels

must be removed from the site within 90

days of closing or no later than April

30th of this year which you noted I just

wanted to note the 90 days in the event

um something

changes

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um the city of Harrisburg is authorized

to negotiate and enter into an agreement

with the cesan Township School District

to continue utilizing the salt Dome

storage area for a period of one year

with a possible one-year extension

subject to the school district's

approval and to remove the solar panels

from the property no later than April

30th

2025 I don't have any questions thank

you for uh providing the background in

history or reminding everyone um I will

again defer to our Public Works

committee chair councilman Rodriguez um

do you have any questions or comments

related to resolution 14 of

2025 thank you madam president uh

solicitor Grover would these be the same

panels that I believe we contracted

wildart by 2020 to remove it is exactly

the same they they were wrapped and

moved there at that time um and uh have

not as I know that I know have been

utilized in any way uh there's I think

differing opinions on their usefulness

uh as time has gone on but the

prevailing opinion is they're not very

useful at this point but that that they

have salvage value um in terms of having

them disposed of would we be able to

utilize our crew at public works or

within the city to remove them or would

we go with a similar you um with an

agency or a nonprofit crew no it will be

the city's crew the reason we had to use

another party last time was we were on a

clock rid of them from the the property

had been sold and the common was about

to put a building on that property so

that was what brought us to have to get

them out and it was a lot of hands to

disassemble them okay but now they're

just now they're wrapped and stacked and

um and so whether they go directly to uh

disposal I don't know or whether they

have a place they're going to locate

them but they were working on that last

I talked to them but they did believe

there was value in

um the scrap a component of was

particularly more valuable than other

parts the copper or internal and so uh I

had asked law Bureau has asked that they

get us uh someone of um uh qual

qualified to render an opinion on

usefulness of them like why are these no

longer of value um and this would come

back if they're going to dispose of them

they come back on a regular uh

resolution to council for disposal of

public property yeah um so uh but that

was the we were working on through

Public Works last I asked him to get us

that information yeah I would imagine

there's more high efficiency like units

nowadays but they probably definitely

have the use somehow some way even if

it's scrapping and getting from the

precious metals retaining some of the

value Val right I think I think the

theory is that that the having sat there

the internal parts are just not as

valuable and a new one is not much more

expensive than this old one and has a

longer lifespan but it's for cost

Effectiveness is something we could

definitely take care of in housee yes

absolutely okay thank you sure no

further questions thank you uh I'll now

move to the other end councilwoman

Daniels any

questions no thank you thank you

councilwoman Davis any

questions no questions okay vice

president green any questions uh no

questions just will note that the fee is

$100,000 or no $100 excuse me it's a

$100 fee for one year correct I guess so

I haven't pay attention to tell the

truth it says upon execution of the

agreement and upon sas's proper

invoicing of city city shall pay susuan

a fee of $100 for inter into the

agreement and for the first year license

period to

city right I think the reality is those

checks never get written When government

say it's $100 to each other all right

right it's like used to be you us you

used to say a dollar now you say $100

okay so all right thank you okay thank

you councilwoman Ross any questions that

was one of my questions um I did not see

that when I was reading it and I'm sure

I see it's like right there but um I was

wondering how much it was cuz I know we

are going to be in charge of the

liability for it do we pay the liability

insurance I so because it is a liability

they don't want it that's why they want

it off their property um so uh so that

that's that was the agreement get of us

getting rid of it so it's it would be

covered under our general liability of

of other property we have um I think

it's just the public works just trying

to make a determination whether it makes

sense to have them for a while and take

them apart or or to be more dramatic in

how they're removed and they're for help

to do that so so and uh but I think the

city Engineers on it the traffic

engineer people are on it public works

people are on it um and I'm waiting for

an answer back okay sounds good it's

pretty straightforward other than that

um thank you sure thank you councilman

Jones any questions uh yes um how much

are these were where are they going to

be no I'm messing with

you those were the same questions I had

the questions were asked and answered so

thank you true thank you if there are no

further questions or comments related to

resolution 14 of

2025 I move to add it to our next

legislative session agenda for a vote

this concludes the business of the

administration committee next we have

budget and finance committee I will

defer to our budget and finance

committee chair vice president green to

lead discussion thank you president

Bowers um looks like we have one res

resolution in the budget and finance

committee which is resolution 11 of

2025 resolution approving the second

proposed 2025 budget reallocation

appropriation and allocation of certain

funds and do we have anyone from the

administration to represent this so

these are actually both from the legal

department all right um as you know in

the annual budget there's a settlement

fund um it is depleted because we have

uh entered into or have negotiated

without final signature for separate

settlements

that will deplete the fund and we're

looking to re refurbish the fund so it's

moving $500,000 into the fund um you

know and some of those we've talked

about in the executive session of of how

we're resolving

those all right I thought we might have

got to hear from somebody else tonight

but it's good to hear from you I maybe

Michael just didn't call anybody I don't

know I have no idea

so that's incorrect I made sure that

everyone was going to be here

um I don't really have any questions

regarding this um I think the solicitor

covered it um for and did you want to

talk to the second one at the same time

or did you want to take them one at that

time I was going to do one at a time

anyone uh have any questions regarding

schedule one um I will start to my far

right here with councilwoman

Daniels no questions thank you

councilwoman

Davis no questions thank you president

Bowers I don't have any questions I'll

save my comment for the next

one thank you councilwoman Ross no I

don't have any questions thank you

though vice president green thank you

councilman Rodriguez no questions for me

thank you thank you and councilman Jones

any questions yeah I M as well so um no

I don't have any questions thank you

thank you very much um we can move on to

the second part of the schedule uh the

second item is the initial seed money

allocation there is no allocation for

the receivership petition we put in for

Governor Square um the city has filed as

you know a petition in the county court

ask for an appointment of receiver one

of the conditions of receivership is

that the Court's order will provide for

eventual reimbursement to the city of

any funds put up um I think just for the

cold hard reality this is an initial um

allocation as they get underway and

evaluate the property um I can tell you

the other step simultaneous with this is

getting a stipulation of stakeholders in

the process uh so that there's not a

fight about the receivership itself um

we did a similar thing that got us out

of Bankruptcy Court over to the county

court and it would be essentially the

same stakeholders although they're not

parties to the receivership um but they

have interest financially in the

property and in the debt of this so the

receiver uh we presented um Midtown

Properties uh as the requested receiver

they would open a separate LLC they

avoid the liabilities of the current

owner and manager and they would be

appointed to hire a qualified manager

approv approved by Hud and the court so

they would report to the court not the

city um and um the uh and we're doing

something I think fairly it's a fairly

big lift that we're undertaking but

there's no one else taking it um the

threat has been at different times just

for them to walk away and leave the

tenants there um so uh half of the

properties are vacant or supposed to be

vacant um the uh I think they 23 of the

buildings are

condemned um and so the idea is to come

up with a plan through someone who is

disinterested like a receiver to assess

both the accounts the vouchers the

physical plant and come up with a longer

term plan how to do it ultimately it

probably has a sale but frankly if

that's going to be HUD the receiver the

city and Court coming up with that but

ultimately right now HUD has the

approval of any purchaser the receiver's

original proposal in ter of the court is

not to sell the property but to assess

and get a manager and come up with a

plan to recover that property and put it

back into Service as a a low and

moderate income facility

all right um I have a couple of

questions but I'll I'll wait a little

bit um I'm going to start to my far

right ha with councilwoman Daniels do

you have any questions or

comments uh no thank you thank you

councilwoman Davis any questions or

comments thank you vice president green

no questions at this time thank you

president BS questions or comments I

don't have any questions uh related to

exhibit B I would like to offer an

amendment to the resolution as a whole

though um I would like

to um amend the document to add uh

funding from the municipal host fee um

$59,000 um as an allocation to the

Harrisburg Youth Sports

Association um I will have the language

and representation from uh the

Harrisburg Sports Association um during

our legislative session so I would like

to um suspend the rules for further

discussion then but I did want to just

note uh for the record that I will be

offering an amendment to um the

resolution thank you very much uh

councilwoman

Ross thank you vice president green um I

don't have questions I think just the

situation is disheartening for the

residents that's just

a concern of mine I mean that I don't

know I just wish there was more we could

do you know so I I think that's just my

biggest concern right now but I um I

would hope the receivership since they

don't have any ties either way um would

be able to help with this because there

are residents just living in real time

of disheartening conditions so um and we

would end up with a presentation for you

from the receiver as well approves them

but my understanding is they have about

a thousand units now under management

that are both commercial and residential

and buried in in in their youth so they

at least they have they have 25 people

in their employee they are very on the

ground experienced people okay um

frankly the city has gotten calls from

all over once we say we're going to do

this people offering to say they'd be

great at this from Vegas from New York

Jersey we the mayor the administration I

think the council they want someone

local who knows where to find a a sink

on a Saturday morning you know and and

who can install it who can get it done

for these people and that's what so we

wanted someone local on the ground who

knows the markets knows the most knows

where to buy things and it just isn't

going to be tied up in a lot of nonsense

no I agree I think

um I love out of town Out of Towners I

have nothing against anybody that's out

of town but we have so many issues

already with just out of town landlords

and property managers and um it's just

just really been um tough on our

residents so I I'm going please somebody

local please for the sake of those

residents and for a city that this this

project is just you know way too huge to

have anybody from out of town but I'm

sure you got inquiries from everywhere

everywhere so yeah but no thank you

that's

it thank you very much councilman rodri

councilman Rodriguez excuse me thank you

madam vice president um I pretty much

Echo those sentiments I think sometimes

just finding someone isn't good enough

we got to make sure it's not only the

right and qualified individual entity is

someone that has the heart and passion

CU we could be looking at the same

scenario 10 years down the line you know

if we're just talking about tax credits

or a quick benefit or a quick exchange

you know I just as Council will raw said

um Madam president has been up there as

have have I and I've seen condemned

homes condemn homes with babies still

living in them I've seen you know where

they're expected to still pay the rent

and there the bricks aren't finished on

the home you know is disheartening even

to the amenities I've run into a few

diabetic patients that have to put their

medicine in a cooler it's just not the

way you know our residents should live

um so although it's a difficult

situation my heart goes out to those at

Governor Square and um just hope we

could push past and to the exhibit uh

Madame President has referred to for the

amendment I too support that Amendment

um no further questions thank you very

much councilman Jones yes

um I I can say I Echo that with everyone

else said too um being that um you know

I will say this um you know early on

that you know the struggle that they

were having up there and I was trying to

get those uh places those vacant places

boarded up I'm glad to see that they are

now um with one of the initiatives where

I had the community come out we cut the

grass they seem to been able to maintain

that as well now my question for the

residents and viewers that are are

watching or maybe will check this out at

some point can you share what will

happen to those individuals because I

think that was part of the big thing

that no one you couldn't sell it because

someone would have to make sure that

those residents were moved and taken

care of until it was uh back up to cold

and and and being able to you know

occupy that space again so I can speak

in two ways to that okay um first is is

first there's going to be a plan on how

to restore what's there um and that I

don't want to pregu the people that have

the qualifications to put that plan

together or the Court's approval of it

right it's going to they're going to ask

about funding credentials licensing all

those things but under the federal

uniform relocation act if your facility

is supported by federal funds and for a

temporary basis or permanent basis you

were going to relocate someone and I

think the important word here is

temporary that so you can go into that

unit and repair it for them there is a

payment that has to be made to that

tenant here the one good thing about how

bad this is is that there are so many

empty units that if they'll have places

that are fixed so they can go fix the

ones people are in so it's nearly not

putting anyone in a hotel at this point

there's no there's no again it's not

going to be my plan it's not going to be

the council's plan but there's been no

talk of that it seems there's enough

facilities there as they get them back

up and occupiable and get an occupancy

permit that would be available to use

for the people that are there

temporarily as they get their unit back

up and probably they would have the

option of staying in that new unit if

they wanted that right you know that

that'll be there'll be options then but

I don't want to second guess the

management of this thing right right and

I don't want to second guess HUD I don't

want to second guess the well that

that's not that's not my aim here it's

just more so um in for residents because

you know we all

been figuring trying to figure out

what's going to happen with the people

there so um if you're if you're just

again that that sounds like something

that may be feasible but then I also

will have question that once we do get

that information will we be able to

share that so we can report out to the

community or there would be something on

the website for them to see so all of

this is going to be public it's going to

be supervised by a court right who has

no interest in the outcome other than to

make sure this place gets back up and

run running right the condition of

receivership which Under Pennsylvania

law is temporary is that it expires when

the property becomes um code compliant

right so the objective is to bring it up

to building code and health and safety

code and that would be the how

receivership expir and that's when

somebody probably look to swoop in in

right and grab it I'm sure long before

that lots of people want to buy it but

that money but i' say no one wants to

pay for what they should pay and the

city has taken a pretty hard line

there's been frankly a lot of Bottom

Feeders trying to get this and seems

like they would just let it go until it

was no longer required to be kept

affordable housing right right and so

we've been pting back pushing back very

hard that the city needs low and

moderate income housing desperately and

we can't afford to lose this much

property to absolutely Market look's

that 220 222 units yeah yeah so so the

the last thing I would ask too for not

just for myself but for the residents as

well those ones that are still in I want

to say squatting what's is is there a

plan for that that's beyond my thinking

that's why you need a property manager

comes in how to deal with it right and

then you and I I don't want to get into

the technicalities of squatting whether

there's property rights tenancy rights I

got you I got you you don't want to give

out all right that's all I have thank

you thank you very much um I do have a a

couple of questions uh first I guess

would be what will be the process

process of finding the receiver like

what would be the process that the city

would go through I've already found the

receiver the Mayor found the receiver

the first people that we've informally

talked to both most of them just shook

their head and said no um the people

from Property Maintenance were U Midtown

property main were very enthusiastic

they consider it part of their Community

part of their town they would like the

chance to make help make this right they

were seemed very very enthusiastic uh

they did accompany us to court uh about

it um and again they have they've

expanded to about a thousand units

already managing and they know the area

um and you know and in the end I think

improving this location helps them with

their locations right it just does and

it helps everybody um and so uh you know

the the always the devil's going to be

in the details right and uh I don't know

if a court will have its own

unique uh conditions it puts on it

that's going to be up to the court um I

don't know if

if it exists by the end of the year uh

it has its own conditions that they put

on to it um the you know the uh but

right now their requirements are it's a

check box of things you have to meet and

no one who had put in uh that claimed

that they were that the owner's claim

was a successful bidder none of them the

last I talked how had ever submitted the

paperwork to Hut they sub a request to

get the paperwork they couldn't they

could not come up with a recovery plan

which is one of Hud's requirements you

had a full recovery plan for the entire

property in order to be able to take it

over and that receiver will help put

together whether that becomes their plan

or a potential owner's plan you know

that's yet to be

seen okay all right uh and then my other

question was uh funding source um it it

shows here in the resolution it says

that

um we appropriated the amount of okay

where is the program funds described in

resolution 17 of 2024 is amended and

reauthorized in resolution 5 of 2025 is

amended or appropriated in the amount of

$8 million for affordable housing what

shall be the source of funding is that

the arpa funding the original arpa money

that's now in the state grant program

funding so that is the uh that is the

source of the

$250,000 okay um I think everyone should

be braced that it's going to be a lot

more than that right as time goes on um

but with the condition that as they get

the place to a positive cash flow Andor

sale the city will then get its funding

back into that state grant program okay

so it's we're looking to be able to

recover the funding at some point all

right um and I guess it was just

confusing just because of the way it's

written in the addendum that we were

given uh it's just written as grants to

local units and so I wanted to make sure

it was clear that it was coming out of

the arpa fund because in the resolution

here it seems pretty pretty clear to me

where it's coming from but in the agenda

we were given it says grants to local

units if you if you look up at line

three it says state grants

fund okay all right thank you I help any

other

questions I just had a clarification um

solicitor Grover I'm not sure if you

said it I thought you did but I think

you said they already had found kind of

a receiver that the mayor did Midtown

property Midtown Town Property

Maintenance okay but that but that

Corporation will open a separate LLC

which will formally be the one allowed

to manage the receivership oh okay I see

but they're still going through the

process like when what are the next

steps where we say okay they're

definitely the receivers like what's

going to the court says it right so so

we have the petition in front of the

court already if we had our funding and

we had our stipulation with the

stakeholders the judge would have signed

it at the very first day we were there

but we need one fund

uh we did not want to if the council

decided funding was inappropriate there

we we'd have to withdraw the petition

right and two if if the stakeholders

aren't in agreement of the terms it just

we're not here to litigate about

receivership you know that we're just

not going to spend taxpayers money

fighting on this private property uh to

make their lives better they have

they've cost us an awful lot of time and

money um so we're just trying to get a a

stipulation as we did in bankruptcy

court uh that the judge can then review

if he's good with it sign off and then

the receiver would be appointed

instantly and then they would have

either you know a 90 or 180-day window

to come up with a recovery plan to

assess the property to assess the

accounts which is important to us to

hire the property manager because he's

going to be the receiver um and Property

Management has to be approved by Hud

under their conditions has to be a

qualified HUD property manager um and uh

and so there's a lot of steps a lot of

yes thank you for that breakdown I was

wondering what the process was now that

we've now that the mayor Administration

found so when they want to be the

receiver what were the next steps just

so anybody who's listening and for us to

know this is what's happening right now

so thank you there'll be public other

public meetings on it as we get moving I

hope so yeah thank you for that sure

that's it for me thank you vice

president green thank you are there any

other questions comments concerns

seeing none I will recommend this move

to our next legislative agenda and that

concludes the business of the budget and

finance

committee thank you vice president green

the final committee business this

evening lies with the community and

economic development committee I will

defer to our chair uh councilwoman

Daniels to lead

discussion thank you um Mr Parker could

you read um uh resolution 13 He 2025

into the record

please yes Bill three of

2025 an ordinance amending the city of

harrisburg's official zoning map to

change the parcel zoning designation of

640 Al alrick Street to the industrial

IND zone of the residential medium

density RM Zone pursuant to chapter

7-33 of the codified order es of the

city of

Harrisburg thank you is there someone

representing the city and who could give

us a brief history of this resolution uh

yes uh good uh evening Council Jeffrey

Knight planning director with the city

could you speak into the microphone I

can't hear you yes uh Jeffrey Knight

planning director with the

city that

better it's a little better but the

sound is muffled for some reason all

right uh I'll try to make sure I speak

up that's that's why

better uh so the um application before

uh the council tonight uh is more of a

corrective action um than anything else

uh when the current zoning code and

zoning map were developed between 2008

and

2010 um at the time they had included uh

642 and I believe uh or sorry 640 and

642 I believe all Rick Street um which

are on the north side of all Rick Street

in the industrial uh zoning District uh

the property uh behind them and uh the

property just to the east were both in

the industrial district their auto

repair shops they probably had were like

that uh back when the map was developed

and it was probably more an issue of

just grouping whole properties within a

block uh into a single zoning District

um so the owner of the property uh came

to uh the city um actually the uh

realtor for the owner uh came to the

city and expressed that uh having a

zoning designation which did permit uh

the um a single family dwelling as a

byright use uh was either necessary for

them to uh sell the property or would uh

greatly assist uh in the property uh

sale process um and uh as noted uh a

single family dwelling is not permitted

by right in the industrial district um

so uh the the property owner uh through

their realtor did request uh that this

property be rezoned uh to residential

medium density which does permit uh by

right uh single family um dwelling uh

and so this is a relatively

straightforward um application

relatively straightforward proposal it's

a little different than maybe what some

of the other zoning map amendments that

Council has seen in recent years where

we've got somebody maybe looking to do

something in a property that's um you

know maybe zoned appropriately but the

building on site or the property itself

uh um you know accommodates other types

of uses this is more as I said a

corrective action um to address what was

you know a minor oversight uh when the

map was initially developed um and uh

with that all being said uh the Planning

Commission recommended that city council

approve the request for the following

reasons the subject property is adjacent

to and representative of Residential

Properties to the South uh which are

located in the residential medium

density zoning District meaning that

uses permitted by the new zoning

District would not be contrary to the

character of the neighborhood and would

includes th include those which could

otherwise be established in adjacent

properties uh the property appears to

have been incorrectly zoned as

industrial by previous City staff an

error propagated during the 2014 review

and Adoption of the current zoning code

and map the property is and always has

been residential yet the current zoning

designation would not permit such use by

right uh and finally the applicant has

provided evidence and testimony

documenting that the current industrial

zoning District adversely impacts the

value and salability of the

property thank you so I just I looked at

the that area and is that the only unit

that's uh industrial or there other

homes in that on that street that are

industrial as well that we need to fix

uh well so it I believe the um structure

uh directly to the east uh which I

believe is 642 uh alri Street um is also

um located in the industrial district

however we usually want to wait to have

a property owner uh bring this to us uh

because the owner of that property may

choose to sell their property to

somebody um who is uh proposing a use

that is permitted by right in the

industrial district um so they may want

to combine it with the adjacent Parcels

just to the east there or maybe they

want to run an auto repair shop out of

that and they would like to you know or

either they or a future property owner

would like to do that so they prefer to

keep the industrial district um so we

don't want to um necessarily speak uh

for the property owner um in a case like

this and if they did come to us we would

um of course recommend support uh for

such a proposal um using the same

justification as we are doing in this

case um but we do want that to be the

decision of a current or future property

owner um so is this is six 42 a brick

home or is it a white cinder block

looking

building

um the property to the um directly to

the east is a two and a half story brick

residence okay um have we ever done a

resoning

for pardon me I okay n just looking at

the geography it's obvious to me that

the GIS mapping like missed a little

piece and that's how it fell into this

industrial zoning category but if we

could fix a problem for a bunch of

people at once rather than peac mailing

it um because I mean like I doubt

someone wants a mechanic shop like right

next right next to

them so um well I

somewhat ironically there is you kind of

understand what what I'm trying to

communicate and I'm not articulating it

really well but um yeah I I do kind of

understand you're saying that yeah if we

could solve a problem more

broadly with this

bill I think we should well I guess what

I would say to that is um this was only

a problem because the current property

owner considered it a problem if the

owner of the adjacent property intends

to live there for 20 years and they

don't really care that their property is

owned industrial because they're going

to continue living there as a legal

non-conforming uh use on site that's

fine um if they again if they did want

to come to us but I don't know that um

the city should necessarily be in the

position to say like okay we're g to do

an action that your neighbor is doing

just because we think it makes sense uh

we we'd like to allow the property owner

to come to us uh with a proposal of that

nature

yeah but we kind of have to be uniform

and consistent and we tend to I mean you

know the the spot zoning is always a

little bit

questionable um I don't know uh could

law buo give us a little bit more

feedback on this like between now and

next

Tuesday um and is the applicant present

and uh and if they are could you just

give us a little bit of the issues that

you're facing it it is my understanding

talk to the broker the applicant may be

infirmed U and it's not actually in the

house right now but cannot sell it um

because it's it's zoned industrial but

let me say you cannot vote on this next

week There's a whole series of

requirements for public advertising a

public hearing has to be held um the

property has to be reposted so on those

things and and our office is working

with the clerk's office for the schedule

we have got an extension agreement with

the on behalf of the property owner to

be done by April 30th I think or April

28th so um we will we will give uh the

council at least what the advertising

requirements are it's a special ad with

more detail than usual you did one of

these two or three years ago maybe and

TI I can speak to the details I haven't

been into the details I will note spot

zoning is the government doing it as

opposed to the property owner doing it

so the idea that we would pick something

and say it should be this as opposed to

an applicant who's allowed to make an

applicant a property owner that is the

difference like a spot zoning and the

right to request a zoning map change for

your property um if we were just picking

properties out one by one for spot

zoning it would be a different issue um

we could treat this whole thing as a

correction um and that would take a

different

evaluation um but that would we are on a

clock with the current application so I

don't know if we could do both at the

same time but here I can speak to the

advertisement

uh yes the statute actually I believe

chapter 7

303.15 requires initially that 30 days

before the public hearing there needs to

be a posting on the perimeter of 640 a

street as well as uh certified first

class mailing sent to any other

surrounding Property

Owners um after that um there has to be

a special posting two consecutive weeks

um the first publish the first posting

not being more than 30 days before the

last posting not being no less than

seven days so um like I said we can work

with you together um I assume we would

work in collaboration with Mr Knight for

the postings and um we can assure that

you can pick out a timeline that either

works with your current sessions to have

like a public meeting right before one

of the sessions or if you decided to

just have a whole another public hearing

you know whatever dates that you want to

do we can ensure that your postings and

your

publishings um fall in line with the

chapter and actually I think speaking to

what councilwoman Daniel says right now

that chapter actually requires that the

property owner apply to because oh and

sorry after this

the after the public meeting if the

public meeting if at that time if the

proposed amendment is changed in any way

you would then have to repost and have

an additional public meeting if not you

have 30 days to um send the resolution

over to Dolphin County and then the

actual zoning map gets amended

so okay um so I'll open it up for

questions um I'll start to my left

councilwoman

Davis oh thank you councilwoman Daniels

I don't have any questions thank

you thank you vice president bre thank

you I don't have any

questions uh president Bowers I don't

have any questions I just look forward

to working with the law Bureau and Mr

night on a clear schedule moving forward

thank you

councilwoman Ross thank you I'm

councilwoman Daniels um just a small

question um because what councilwoman

Daniels was saying I I do partially

agree with her especially with not peac

Milling it but if there's other

properties that are also in this

industrial district being able to put

them in the um medium residential medium

dis um

density um portion of the zoning map so

I was wondering when we do the public

comments or the public engage

and the meetings does the information

say or ask other residents if you feel

like you're in also this industrial

district or if you are if you would like

to then be a part of the residential

medium density District or not District

but zoning um does it allow them that

chance to do that I'm just just a little

clarification on what that I'm I'm

assuming the point of them of us having

to let the surrounding Property Owners

know what's happening would then be time

for them to be able to come forward and

say you know what I want to do that too

that's what I was or I don't or why I

don't want them to do it you know what I

mean but so that is the point of the

surrounding Property Owners being

involved because it's their neighborhood

so at that time I would think they would

say oh well this is a process I follow

if I want to get that done as well okay

that's what I needed clarification on I

thought and figure that was the reason

but I didn't want to assume because I

also think let's not peace mil if we can

get more um residents who would like to

change their zoning that would make

complete sense instead of them coming

back one at a time so um thank you for

answering that question that allows me

to make a sound

decision thank you thank you um

councilwoman Daniels

sorry that's okay thank you uh

councilwoman Rodriguez thank you madam

chair um thank you Mr Jeff for being

here as always uh what would qualify a

um a home or someone request for the

medium density Zone what what would

qualify that um so I mean the this uh

property owner could have asked for

perhaps any uh zoning designation change

it to downtown Center if they wanted to

I think in that case that's what I would

consider spot zoning is there specific

like density or per capita that needs to

be in the equation so uh our current

zoning code only really has two uh

uniquely residential or specifically

residential zoning districts there

residential low density and residential

medium density uh we only have two

sections of residential low density

Academy Manor um up along Northern

Harrisburg and then Bel Park out in East

Harrisburg everything else whether

you're um you know kind of duplexes or

row homes is residential medium density

um I think there was like a residential

high density at one point in a previous

version of the zoning code that got

stripped out so it just kind of

flattened it all out pretty standard RM

District yeah so if you're almost any

home you're going to Pro and you are not

RM and you want to be more conforming to

what your property is you would ask for

an RM

okay great and then the amendment

application uh you had mentioned that

the tenant was enabled at the time is

this being done on behalf of like the

property owner or

realtor so it's not the actual like

tenant per se oh no so the property

owner uh has requested through the

realtor I think to Mr Grover's Point um

the property owner might be a little

infirm so I think the realtor's handing

handling a lot of this stuff uh for her

um I I think she has been included on

some of the communications he's aware of

what's going on so the property owner is

the one that put in the amendment

application correct okay yeah this is

not done on behalf of the property owner

by the realtor and just for council's

edification with that application

according to uh 73031 five the zoning

code Amendment uh subsection B would say

they would need to have the statement of

why the change would be in the interest

of the city including uh conformance

with the city's comprehensive plan and

neighborhood plans two a statement

addressing any adverse effects on

adjacent properties three a state

addressing any major traffic access or

congestion concerns four a map showing

the proposed boundaries of any proposed

map changes the existing zoning of the

subject land and adj excuse me adjacent

lands and the current use of the

adjacent Lots five completion of the

zoning text Amendment application or

zoning map Amendment application and of

course six the payment uh fees as set

forth and to the Publications uh public

notice shall be published once week uh

for two consecutive weeks in the newsp

paper or general circulation the first

publication shall not be more than 30

days and the second publication shall be

less than 7 days from the date of the

hearing for the zoning map amendments

public notice shall also include the

posting of a sign at conspicuous

locations along with the perimeter of

the subject property at the first class

mailling of the public notice shall be

set all current property owners who own

Parcels within the area proposed to be

reson at least 30 days prior to the

hearing by city council and number four

if any public hearings held upon on an

amendment the proposed amendment is

changed substantially or revised to

include the land previously not affected

by it the city council shall hold

another public hearing pursuant to

public notice before proceedings to vote

on the amendment so just wanted to make

sure they had the application in and to

council's point we were following

everything to statute yes and they

presented um to planning and were

approved and also to Dolphin County as

well with that application perfect um is

there any way Council can get a look at

their application answers um I believe

that was included in the pack that is in

there yeah okay perfect perfect if not

that would be great thank you we can

forward the package awesome thank you no

further

questions thank you councilman

Jones no

questions thank you so um Jeff I'll

connect with you um at some point and

then president Bowers will coordinate

scheduling sounds good

and that concludes the business of the

community and economic development

committee thank Youk you thank you uh we

will now move forward with our meeting

agenda next we have public comment uh

just a few housekeeping notes before we

begin please state your name and your

address for the meeting record if you

don't feel comfortable sharing your

address please share the vicinity in

which you live within the city you'll

have four minutes to share your comments

Mr Parker

will serve as our timekeeper I'll begin

to my right is there anyone that would

like to offer public

comment seeing and hearing no one anyone

in the middle section okay seeing and

hearing no one anyone to my left seeing

and hearing no one the time is 6:50 p.m.

I will entertain a motion to a journ

don't move is there a second a second

thank you we stand a journ