Harrisburg City Council Work Sessions 11-18-2025

your patience. I know traffic was a

little bit of a struggle this evening.

Um, so it is 5:35 p.m. I'd like to call

our work session to order.

Mr. Trudeale, could you please call the

role?

>> Miss Daniels.

>> Miss Davis,

>> present.

>> Miss Green,

>> present.

>> Mr. Jones,

>> here.

>> Miss Rolls,

>> present.

>> Mr. Rodriguez,

>> present.

>> Miss Hill,

>> present. Thank you.

We have a lengthy agenda this evening,

so I'm going to get started. I'm going

to be mindful of everyone's time.

The administration committee listed

there's a bill and two resolutions. I

would like to note that we will be going

over the two resolutions, resolution 82

of 2025 and resolution 83 of 2025. They

will both remain in committee at this

time. So, we have bill 11 of 2025. Mr.

Trudel, could you please read it into

the record?

>> Bill 11, 2025, an ordinance forgiving

and discharging certain city real estate

taxes, including interest, penalties,

and cost, and striking off tax leans for

certain historically taxexempt

properties.

>> Thank you,

>> Miss Cameron.

Yes, we're back again with another one

of these. Uh we had discussed in

previous sessions that uh at a certain

point Dolphin County had made uh some of

these organizations that have

historically been exempt reertify. Uh a

bunch of them missed the deadline and so

they were assessed certain taxes. Um

since that time they have appeared

before the board of assessment appeals

and had their exemptions reinstated.

And so as such we are along with the

school board and Dolphin County, the

other tax and bodies uh striking off or

forgiving any taxes that were assessed

including any leans or other penalties

um while they were without their

exemption.

>> Okay. Thank you. Um, I don't have any

questions. I think I'm pretty familiar

of our rotation with these. So, thank

you for um the updates, I'll say. Um, I

don't have any questions. I'll open the

floor to my colleagues who may have

some. I'll begin with our budget and

finance committee chair, Vice President

Green. Do you have any questions on bill

11 of 2025?

Uh,

>> I don't have any questions on what the

bill is doing. Uh, but I don't see an

address for the property.

for which there are actually as the

exhibit you should see the minutes for

the actual meeting that was held and

then there are the organizations

on page

what is this two

>> I don't I don't see any exhibits at all

so I have no addresses it's just very

>> well the the addresses are are not an

exhibit they are within the actual bill

so page two of your bill should have

addresses under properties section one

exoneration of real estate taxes.

>> I don't see we don't have any of that.

It it literally just tells us

that we're going to strike real estate

taxes goes through severability repealer

effective date.

>> We're missing a lot.

>> No, you're only missing one page and the

exhibit.

>> Yes, the page and the exhibit.

>> Well, I will for the record just tell

you while Okay.

>> Um, the addresses involved are 1201

North 13th Street, 1824 North 4th Street

twice, there's two parcels there, and uh

1114A

North 2nd Street. The organizations

involved are,

hold on, I'm sorry.

Uh, King Apostle Holiness Church, that

address is 1201 North North 13th Street.

Uh, Harrisburg Senior Citizens has the

two parcels uh, with the address of 1824

North Fourth Street.

and

Pennsylvania American Legion Housing for

Homeless at the address of 1114A North

Second Street.

>> Thank you very much. That's the only

question I had. And then if we could

just get a copy of it.

>> Yes, thank you.

>> Definitely.

>> Thank you. Councilwoman Davis, do you

have any questions on Bill 11?

>> Thank you, President Hill. I don't have

any questions.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Ross. Any

questions on Bill 11?

>> Thank you, President H. Good evening,

everybody. I don't have any questions on

Bill 11.

>> Okay. Thank you. And Councilman

Rodriguez, any questions on Bill 11?

>> Thank you, Madam President. No questions

for me.

>> Thank you. Councilman Jones, any

questions on Bill 11?

>> No questions.

>> Okay. If there's no further discussion,

um we will get the corrected

>> Yes. um the full bill on e-codes along

with the exhibit for review. Um so if

there there's no further discussion, I

move to add bill 11 of 20125 to our next

legislative session agenda for a formal

vote. This concludes the work of the

administration committee. Next, we have

the work of the budget and finance

committee. I will defer to our budget

and finance committee chair, Vice

President Green, to lead discussion.

>> Thank you, President Hill. Uh budget and

finance committee will be discussing

resolution 84 of 2025, a resolution

approving the seventh proposed 2025

budget reallocation, appropriation, and

allocation of certain funds. And who do

we have from the administration to

review over this?

>> Good evening, Mr. McCutchen.

>> And Madam Chair, there's three different

things in here. Two of them are exhibits

and one is is in the pros at the

beginning of the document. Um, and I

will handle the initial one that deals

with the uh $2 million confirmation of

neighborhood services funds. Um,

the council had previously budgeted for

revenues and expenditures for

neighborhood services fund. One of the

sources of revenues in the budget is the

uh $2 million aotment that was going to

trash forgiveness. Essentially, the

money was coming out of uh state the

state uh

grant fund and rolling over to no

services to supplement its yearly

issues. We then also had the payout for

uh the resolution of the public works

building this year. Um, so the funds

there are depleted uh in there. There

had been an issue in that transfer

happening. Um, and just so the council

had previously voted for the $2 million

basically way to put it back in front of

the council and back in front of the

treasur's office that the council had

voted for the $2 million to go to

neighborhood services fund. It's not

even a reallocation. It's simply a

confirmation that the money was going

over there. Um and uh and we listed they

basically stopped when they got to $2

million and a list of items that covers

$2 million of major purchases. Um and

obviously there's many many more than

that in the public uh public works

department. So uh that is just simply an

effort to put it out there in front so

that to provide something for that

transfer to happen. Uh those signatures

were declined in the fall uh by the

treasur's office. So

>> thank you for that. Anybody have any

questions regarding that?

>> Seeing none, thank you very much. Uh,

Mr. McCutchens, we are ready when you

are.

>> Okay. All right.

Uh, yes. Uh, good evening, President

Hill, city council members. B, uh, Brian

McCutchen, accounting manager in the the

Department of Financial Management,

Bureau of Financial Management. Um,

thank you, Vice President Green, for the

opportunity to review. What is up on the

screen is the uh seventh proposed 2025

budget adjustment reallocation schedule.

Um

and the the first part of this

reallocation relates to it's it's all

personnel cost related and it involves

the city's two major significant funds.

The general fund and neighborhood

services. I I'll start with the general

fund which is the top half piece.

Uh this all revolves around the

occurrence this year which is which is a

unique occurrence of a 27th payroll

that's that's happening. Uh this

actually occurred in in the past

approximately 10 years ago when there

were 27 pays uh in in in a year uh of

that time. Um, and what's driving the

the 27th pay in December are are our our

pay dates and check run dates are uh

December the 4th, the 18th, and going by

the calendar, it would be January 1st.

So, typically historically in in in

several recent years, when a holiday

falls on a u a pay date, it it is moved

back to the previous day uh the previous

business day. In this case, it would be

December 31st.

So in in that we we we realized this

earlier in the year and we discussed it

with uh members of the finance team and

also the payroll department and HR and

the the business decision decision was

made to have the 27th pay occur in this

current budget year 2025

and uh HR and the payroll uh department

and also our ID department has teed up a

27th pay slot if you will for this year.

So given that uh with the budget that's

that's in effect for the current year

the the the the review or the analysis

was done to make sure uh there would be

enough budget to accommodate this extra

pay and we went through those particular

departments or offices that have

available budget as a surplus

uh for 2025. The ones that are in need

of budget are are the top half starting

with the the city treasurer's office and

going on down to parks, wreck, and

enrichment. That's that grouping that

need um the budget uh amendment ask of 1

million

uh $298,700.

That's the total of those. So those are

the ones that need the plus up in

budget. the ones that are available due

to

whatever the reasons may be for a budget

surplus, you know, typically vacancies

or departures or retirements during the

year creating uh a surplus budget. So,

in reviewing this, we took a look at at

the beginning of November to uh project,

which is a little bit easier to do this

time of the year, of course, uh to

project the five remaining pays. Two in

November, the two in December, and of

course, the final one on December 31,

number 27.

And the analysis yielded that there is

some budget surplus in the line starting

with the office of the mayor and going

Yeah, thank you Jared. Uh going on down

through um uh the Bureau of Police.

Um and the totals there, you can see the

removal of that budget equates to the

1,298700

that's that's mentioned above for the

ones that are in need.

So that's the general fund piece. Uh the

the second half lower part of this

schedule uh again neighborhood services

is in a similar situation. Uh this lower

half includes those budget units or

lines that need to plus up in budget. Uh

the main salaries and wages account is

there for uh the city services piece

which is the public works public works

piece. Um, and it also relates to the

the three burrows that the city services

for trash utility services, Steelton,

Penrook, and and Paxtank.

So, the budget amendment ask is that

total of $197,100.

Again, looking in I'm looking in column

G. And then Jared, if you

uh scroll down please, the funding, how

that is met is to remove budget uh the

surplus that's available in the parks

maintenance

line uh for the neighborhood services

fund and then the rest of it is to be uh

accommodated or captured by the general

fund to to marry up so to speak. the

budget uh removal from lines equates to

the 1971 $100

matching uh the the increase and

decrease.

I'll I'll stop there if you have any

comments or questions.

>> Thank you. I don't have any questions or

comments. It seems pretty clear-cut the

way you um married it together. I'll

start to my far left to see if there are

any comments or questions regarding this

portion. Councilman Jones.

>> Uh yes. Thank you, Vice President Green.

Um, Mr. Trudeell, can you scroll down? I

mean,

hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Okay. Yeah, I'm looking at the uh lost

time for the police column. I think what

was approved was the 400,000.

>> They spent 600.

>> Yes. And uh

Can I go or do you go? Okay. All right.

>> You see where I'm going? All right.

>> Yeah, sure. No, I know. Um, so lost time

in medical, by the way, that relates to

the city's payment of workers

compensation claims. Um, it's handled by

an outside third party administrator.

Um, but the reason this is so high as of

as of the beginning of November, the

600,000, this captures a recent workers

comp settlement claim uh of an injured

police officer from several years ago,

uh, which was

>> it's now getting paid out.

>> Um,

>> are you is that what you said?

>> Well, it it it has a past history of

payments. It's been it's been an ongoing

claim, but this I believe the amount

that was just uh settled and dispersed

is the is the final relative to workers

comp, but it was significant. It was

approximately $250,000.

So, that's out of the norm of claims

that occur during the year that you

would see in this particular line. So,

that's what's driving this particular

uh budget increase. So, the reason and

again I I At at the beginning of my

discussion, I talked about this is

personnel and salaries and wages and so

on and payroll tax expense, but this

particular account is is a personnel

personnel account. And while we were

doing this, we I I reviewed other

personnel lines that would be in need

and this one of course stood out. So

that's why this is appearing on this

schedule.

>> Okay. And then I will go down to fire um

overtime.

>> Yes. Um again, another significant

occurring outlay and I know u you know

not stepping up or speaking for the

chief but there were uh during the year

various deployments where uh his his

personnel his crew needed to go out and

um

uh relocate to where where the uh the

the matter was or the need was. So there

again, this is another one that stood

out in our analysis that the the the

over the overtime line is heavy and I I

do believe

uh the chief has in the works a

submission of this um where there's a an

urban search and rescue type

reimbursement the city receives from

time to time. That hasn't happened yet,

but it's it's something that that

relates. But again, that's that's that

to me is what's driving the overtime. I

mean the numbers just stood out. So I

thought it would be good to to bring

bring

>> page.

>> Yes.

>> Um

for now that is that's all I had. I just

want that's all. Go ahead.

>> And Councilman Jones just on the workers

comp. The way that actually works is

that we have stoploss coverage that

changes every year depending on the year

of the injury. So the amounts change but

we when we hit a certain threshold we

then get reimbursed under that coverage.

Uh and so this is this is a case that's

going on for a long time for someone

very severely injured in the line of

duty and this is the last and final one

and there should be a stop loss payment

that comes on the other side of it.

>> And again my it's just uh you know for

my own edification and also for the

public when they look at these numbers

just give a little explanation.

>> Sure. Oh, I think it's a good

explanation but I just we don't often

talk about stop loss here. That's why we

have the insurance. So if we go over a

certain threshold part of it comes back

to the to the taxpayers.

>> Yep. Thank you. No further questions.

Vice President Green.

>> Thank you very much. Councilman

Rodriguez, any questions?

>> Uh, no, Madam Chair. My

>> Councilman Jones, but thank you all.

>> Thank you very much, Councilwoman Ross.

>> Uh, good evening. Thank you. I don't

really have any questions. Um, I did

notice parks and wreck came under for

their temporary line, which was an issue

last year. Um, so, um, we'll see how

that goes with budget season because I

because now it's like you're not sure

what to budget for because they came in

significantly under what it was a year

ago where they didn't have enough money

to pay and now they So,

>> not not not to gloat on this, but that

was a very helpful

>> uh, remedy for for the overall here, but

I did make sure to confirm with uh,

Director Ross that we were good. there

was no subsequent need for that

particular line based on that total.

>> Yeah, I think they did good this year

and I'm glad to see that. So now it's

almost put it's almost like you're not

sure what to budget for with that. But

no, I'm glad it went well. That's it. We

did a good job. Thank you. That's it for

me. Just wanted to gloat on that a

little bit from us because we didn't

know what to budget for at first. So

thank you. Okay.

>> Thank you, President Hill. Any

questions?

>> I don't have any questions. Thank you.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Davis. Any

questions?

>> No questions for me. Uh, thank you, Mr.

McCutchen, for explaining

>> the charts.

>> Oh, yes. You're welcome.

>> Thank you. I believe we are ready for

the next portion then.

>> Excuse me, Vice President Green. Uh,

Councilwoman Daniels is present via

Zoom.

>> Councilwoman Daniels, excuse me. Uh, do

you have any questions or comments for

this portion?

>> No, thank you.

>> Thank you.

Now I believe we're ready.

>> Okay.

>> All right. Uh if Jared will assist me

moving to the next exhibit, exhibit B.

Um

and uh this particular schedule again

it's similar format. This is all general

fund. There's two items to discuss here.

The two footnotes. Footnote A in blue

relates to the legal line in the city

solicitor's office.

Um, and this is to clean up a technical

error, technical system cor uh, error

we're trying that we'd like to correct

that should have been addressed at the

beginning of the year when the city

typically does its roll forward of

commitments from the prior year. Uh,

also known as encumbrances which

includes purchase orders and and

contract incumbrances.

um

for the roll forward. Last at the

beginning at the beginning of this year,

there were about 16 or 17 contract

incumbrance or commitments for various

legal firms that provide outside legal

services to the city. Uh these

particular encumbrances were again they

were from prior years mostly prior year

24. There were a few from prior year 23.

Um and the based on the communication

that we get from uh every every

department at this time that the the

move was to roll them forward. Uh when

we do that we need to also roll the

budget forward to accommodate them in

the new in the new year. Um, at at the

time though, what we wanted to do was to

manually adjust that budget roll forward

because we didn't want it to appear

ahead of city council's review uh and

and and approval, you know, v via the

vote on that particular reallocation.

When we presented the reallocation

though to you, it was prepared in error.

it did not include it was inaccurate

because it did not include all of the 16

or 17 uh incumbrances that were really

in play. So

uh to again the the budget was rolled

forward but then we adjusted it back but

the incumbrances came forward and when

the system

uh does that it recognizes budget has

been rolled forward. As it turns out the

majority of these incumbrances were

ended up not being needed or utilized.

So they were closed. when they were

closed, the system automatically pulled

the budget back away because it's it's

thinking, "Oh, you don't need this

budget."

>> When you say system, you talking about

munis.

>> Munis, correct? Right. Which is proper

for that system to do because it's it's

it's a safeguard. That way you don't

have excess budget lingering on

something that's been closed out. But

our manual entry was was the culprit

there because we didn't again there

wasn't enough budget left in to offset

what was going to be uh affected by the

system. So a long story short, the what

is needed on these incumbrances

uh relates to what was paid during the

year which um was approximately $6,250.

And also there was in one incumbrance

that has been left open that is needed

which is 3,000. So the law bureau's

budget, the revised budget needed really

needs to reflect uh approximately

279,000

in the revised column. And then when you

take away what was spent and what was

what what's still committed out there

should leave an available balance of a

little over $50,000. So again, Jared, if

you just scroll back up, please to that

this budget adjustment remedies that. It

gets the the law bureau's legal line to

where it should be had this correction

had this error uh not occurred and it

the revised budget will properly reflect

what it should be because the original

appropriation for 2025 was $270,000.

So that's that's legal in in that line.

Um the um the next footnote, footnote B

in yellow, relates to quite simply

medical.

Uh we've been doing I think we've been

doing fairly well this year in

comparison to last year, but again uh we

we tend to uh average it it it

fluctuates, but we tend to average every

month about uh one to 1.2 2 million in

in claims that the city pays for its uh

main medical providers for for health

care prescription and dental. So to

address this now while we were looking

over um these particular accounts we

wanted to increase the budget for a

reasonable a reasonables position. Um

right now you can see the available

budget balance at the beginning of

November is right around 1.2 two million

and if that's you know it's there saying

okay we we have two months to go and I'm

telling you that we tend to be that's

about one month's worth potential so

it's it's given us the the the sense

that we're we're we're we're a bit short

we don't want to run into a a tight uh

squeeze here where we don't have enough

appropriation to accommodate uh when we

get into December

actually so far in November it's been

it's calmed down Uh right now we're

about at $600,000

through this week with only one week to

go, but you just never know with these

claims uh when they might surface and

and and at what level. So, we're trying

to be proactive. Uh, I I believe this

budget, this proposed budget adjustment

will offer a bit more than is needed

cushion-wise, but I' I' I'd rather take

that approach

given that we have again uh similar

budget uh surpluses in certain lines.

And if you look down through, I'm I'm

not going to go through every single

line unless you have questions, of

course. Um the um I I went through and

and checked with our directors, you

know, if they were comfortable with

those particular moves. Would you look

you right away the the information the

IT lines? Uh I spoke with the director

and he was quite comfortable with giving

up that budget in his his budget unit to

uh have it sent over to the medical

line.

Uh and on and on and on, you know,

through our uh office of tax enforcement

uh our our particular uh bure bureau of

financial management. We we did a

review. Uh again, Bureau of uh Bureau of

Police, I I reached out to our the the

assistant to the commissioner on that

traffic and engineering uh VMC vehicle

management

and the rest is populated by again some

salaries and wages uh lines that do have

that surplus uh based on available

vacancies that created the surplus uh as

to where we are right now. So that

that's the proposed solution to hope or

to uh uh try to shore up what may be

coming uh in medical even though I'm I'm

more optimistic that it won't quite be

as as heavy as that.

That's all I have on that.

>> Thank you very much. I don't have any

questions regarding this. I'm going to

start to my far right this time with

Councilwoman Daniels. Any questions?

>> No questions for me. Thank you. Thank

you, Councilwoman Davis. Any questions?

>> No questions.

>> Thank you, President Hill. Any

questions?

>> I don't have any questions. Thank you.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Ross. Any

questions?

>> I don't have any questions. Thank you.

Thank you, Councilman Rodriguez. Any

questions?

>> No questions for me. Thank you.

>> Thank you. And last but not least,

Councilman Jones, any questions?

>> You know, I do.

Um so again I'm going to look at and

just for clarity on um

maintenance and service contract

I see the 25,000 there was a deduction

of 25,000 and then it ends up with zero

that line

uh and uh traffic and engineering street

lights same thing 25,000 deducted ended

up with 75 I'm just wondering where what

happened,

>> right? Um, going in reverse order, I I

talked to the um

the the one representative from from

traffic and engineering just she's very

close to the street light needs when it

when it comes to uh the monitoring on

the services side or the uh the actual

supplies that the city purchases. And

based on that uh uh what what is

currently available and what uh I

suggested we we we utilize she was

comfortable with that. Again I the idea

was to take and and not be too um too

greedy if you will. I mean to if there

is some savings there but not to deplete

it to leave

as much of a significant amount of

budget intact you know for the for the

remaining two months for those

particular lines. Um but she felt

comfortable that that for those

particular lines in traffic and

engineering that it wouldn't be too much

of an ask to reduce those lines by those

amounts.

>> So So again for clarity so where I mean

I'm just trying to figure out where if

there's a deduction where did it go and

how do we get back to zero on the first

uh service contracts I believe

maintenance service contract. Yes.

>> Right. And if all these particular

lines, all these all these deducts where

what we're looking at right now, uh

again, you can see the total at the

bottom, right, is the 1,272.

They're all flowing up to the medical

line in general expenses to increase the

med that medical line's budget for

>> Well, that's where

>> that's where they're going.

>> Okay. Yes. All right.

>> Thank you. That's all I have.

>> Okay. Certainly.

>> Thank you. Any other questions or

comments?

Seeing none, I'm going to ask that this

be moved to our next legislative agenda.

Thank you very much.

>> Okay. Thank you both. I think appreciate

the time.

>> And that is the business of the budget

and finance committee. Thank you,

President Hill.

>> Thank you, Vice President Green. Next,

we have the business of the community

and economic development committee. I

will defer to our community and economic

development committee chair,

Councilwoman um

Daniels. I don't know what I was

thinking. Sorry, Councilwoman Daniels.

Deferring to you to discussion.

>> That's okay. Um, so, um, today's the

first item on the community and economic

development committee's uh, agenda is

resolution 75 2025.

Um, Mr. Trusel, if you don't mind

reading that into the record, please.

Resolution 75,2025,

a resolution approving the

preliminary/final land development plan

for 1605 to 1613 Market Street submitted

by Chris Franklin of Handles Helping

Hand Foundation to consolidate and

reubdivide the various lots comprising

the project site into four separate

parcels on which attached row homes will

be constructed and associated site and

access improvements.

>> Thank you. Um could the person

representing the city introduce

themselves and give a brief description

of the history and the procedural

posture of this bill um and try to be

both thorough and succinct please.

>> Uh certainly uh Jeffrey Knight planning

director for the city um as Mr. Trudale

noted uh this proposal uh involves the

consolidation of five uh separate

largely vacant parcels um with them

being resubdivided into four new parcels

and then on which uh four attached row

homes uh will be constructed. Um council

may recall this from earlier this year

in April when a different version of the

project was uh brought through the

process and was approved by council for

a 9-unit multif family dwelling. Uh in

the intervening time, the applicants

have reconsidered um the proposal and

are now going with uh four attached row

homes. Um they'll be able to give you

some more specifics, but I believe that

they're for uh first time their

affordable units are first-time

homeowners. Um so that'll be a bit of a

different uh difference between the last

project and this one as well. Um, but

overall, uh, these lots are on the 1600

block of Market Street. And, uh, if

you're familiar with them, there was a

small, um, I think community garden at

one point, uh, operating on site, but in

the last few years, it doesn't seem to

have had any attention or ongoing

maintenance of the properties. So, this

is going to be, uh, just an infill with

essentially, uh, a development uh, style

and building that is similar to, uh,

that of the surrounding neighborhood.

Uh, the applicants did receive the

requisite zoning relief requests. um at

the October 20th zoning hearing board uh

meeting and uh that also included a

relief from the uh four off- streetet

parking requirements that uh were uh for

our off- streetet parking spaces that

were required for a project of this

size. Uh although the applicants uh do

have a draft parking lease agreement

with uh a church on the 1500 block of

Market Street to utilize uh their

parking if necessary. Uh so with all of

that being said, the planning commission

uh recommended that the city council

approved the request with the following

conditions. Uh the applicant is required

to receive a certificate of

qualification pursuant to chapter 12 101

of title 12, the affordable housing

certification prior to recording the lot

consolidation and land development plan

with the Dolphin County Recorder of

Deeds. Uh if possible, the applicant

should consider building designs with a

zeroep entrance threshold or other

accommodation to ensure visibility of

the structures allowing ADA access for

residents and vis and visitors. Uh the

applicant should consider uh different

divisions along the front porch other

than than the proposed fence panels such

as railings similar to those along the

front portions of the porches which will

contrast with the architecture of the

front facades. And then finally, the

applicant should consider fencing in all

or portions of the rear yards or

consider installing fences and gates

along the sides of the end units to give

re residents more privacy and security.

Uh the planning commission uh recommends

the city council approved the request

for the following reasons. Project is in

conformance with the city's

comprehensive plan and has been designed

to minimize the amount of zoning relief

necessary. Approval of the proposal will

enhance the character of the

neighborhood and improve the streetscape

by developing prominent and

long-standing vacant lots, installing

street trees, constructing compatible

info development, and adding to the

neighborhood's housing inventory. Uh

three, the pro proposed project will

contribute to the city's need for

affordable housing by providing four new

affordable housing units in fourbedroom

configurations, which will be certified

and maintained long-term as affordable

units. The proposed configurations

represent a size of unit that is in

higher demand throughout the city. And

finally, the project will enhance one of

the primary corridors in the Allison

Hill neighborhood, adding new residents

to the neighborhood, activating the

street and community on nights and

weekends, and growing the customer base

to support local businesses.

Thank you.

>> Thank you. And just to clarify, um, so

each one of the four separate parcels

will have

row home on each of the four like

there's a there several row homes on

each one of the four parcels.

>> That that is correct. This will

essentially be four different parcels

with a single family dwelling on each.

>> Okay. Thank you. Um so if the applicant

wouldn't mind introducing themselves,

describing the the nature of the

project, please include the time frames

for completion um uh costs and again if

similar to the representative for for

the city, if you could be thorough and

succinct, that would be very greatly

appreciated.

>> Okay. Yeah. My name is Sean Otul. I'm

with Onill Development. I'm consultant

to the project.

My name is uh Chris Franklin. I am

actually developer of the project and

the president of Handles Helping Hands.

>> Uh Zayn Gist uh project manager with

Integrated Consulting, the civil design

engineer uh who prepared the plans in

front of you this evening.

>> Yes. So if someone could just um give a

brief description of the project

including deadlines and

time frames.

>> Go ahead. You can talk about time frames

and not talk about the project.

>> Uh I will go first to just again go over

some of the specifics of the project. Um

you know Jeffrey did a pretty good

explanation introducing it. Um at this

point I I understand that there have

been several grant applications applied

for. Correct. Um and I think the target

would be probably would you say spring

of 2026.

Um total cost I believe was estimated

just over uh a million for

>> million and a half. Okay. Um and as

Jeffrey mentioned previously this was a

u multifamily initial submission. uh the

the course was changed when you know for

various reasons but we we do feel uh

that these four units uh providing you

know proper home ownership uh and I

think the neighborhood of the character

of the neighborhood better is better

matched with what's proposed as part of

this um less zoning relief associated

with this and in fact we're bringing

these these lots there's five lots there

currently we we're reconsolidating them

into four uh lots to try bring them

closer with the conformance of the uh

current zoning requirements. Um so we we

only just have the zoning relief for the

middle two units. They're all they're

each 16 ft wide units, but the end uh

lots are wider than the the 20 foot

required. So uh that was like the

minimum zoning relief that we thought

would be necessary besides the off-

streetet parking associated with the

project. Um, at this time we have, you

know, gone through rounds of comments

from the, uh, city and Capital Region

Water. We've actually resubmitted to

Capital Region to try and uh, get those

comments clarified or uh, addressed.

And I think the only other uh, comment

we we saw from the packet was from the

city engineer regarding the pavement

restoration out front. Um, so we we we

understand that we'll have to uh restore

a little bit more of the pavement than

we had shown on the initial plan in the

exhibits in front of you. We also added

in the site plan I have here tonight.

The only main difference is we added

some fencing in between the units and

the in the rear yards and uh to address

the comment from uh city planning

regarding the uh privacy screening in

between the units. Um I does Christie

you want to speak on the project? Um

yes. Um first thank you for having

having me here and having us here um

honored to be here um this evening. Um

one uh I think um you know it's a

project we've been working on for two

years and um I am a firm believer of um

uh the community being a part of the

solution and um instead of complaining a

problem about issues or problems that

affect our community be a part of the

solution. Um and for me is uh one of the

solutions or one of the issues that not

only plague our city but plague our

country is the issue of affordable

housing. Um there just isn't enough um

supply to meet the demand. Not only are

there not enough units for people that

live in these cities, uh but also with

rising costs, it's even harder for

people not only to rent but even more

importantly to own. Um so that's why uh

I think this project is important. Uh

one I am a firm believer of the location

um the revitalization of a key corridor

or a major artery in our city that being

Market Street. I believe in investing

back into the communities that you come

from. I live blocks away from where this

project is. Um so I believe in its

location. It's a lot that has been 20

plus years vacant and turning that 20

plus year vacant lot into affording

affordable homes I think is a powerful

statement to the city. I think

investment back into an area of the city

that's been disinvested upon and uh uh

and and not built upon in years um is

also important for people to see and it

may attract other businesses and other

people to develop in that community. Um

but um most importantly I think from my

perspective is the premise of uh um

economic empowerment and equity. Um when

I say that we are not looking to build

units for rent but for ownership. Uh

we're looking to put people uh firsttime

home buyers investing into the city and

giving them an opportunity where they

wouldn't have one previously. Um,

statistics show that the best way to uh

to to close the racial wealth gap is

home ownership. So, that's number one.

Number two is utilizing people within

the community to uh build the project

and to uh not only uh build the project

but be a part of the project. Not only

does that give the indigenous people of

that community ownership of the project,

but also um circulates the dollars

invested in this project back into the

communities that they're built in. Uh

otherwise strengthening the community.

So I think it's not just about um

community or development but uh about

community upliftment and lastly giving

people um the opportunity that work in

the city and that live in a city

opportunity to own a piece of the city.

I think because of these reasons I think

this is a powerful project. It's one

that shows or demonstrates collaboration

with us, not only working with the city,

but also the county, with PHF, PHFA, and

with uh Midpin and Mnt Banks, all to

come together uh on one project to to

get it done and to provide home

ownership and generational wealth for

people within the city.

>> Thank you. Um, so I'll go ahead and just

open up the questions from my

colleagues. Um, I will start to my

immediate left, Councilwoman Davis.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Daniels, and

thank you, gentlemen, for being here

this evening. I like what I'm hearing. I

live in that neighborhood, and it would

be a breath of fresh air to see it

develop and come up. I like the

homeownership aspect of it. So, I'd say

let's do more.

Thank you.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Daniels.

>> Thank you, Vice President Green.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Daniels. And

thank you, gentlemen, for being here

tonight. I don't really have any

questions for you. I look forward to

this project. Uh I think it's an

important project, not only for the

area, but for the city in general um to

maybe be a map for others to do the same

thing. Uh we often see a lot of projects

come in that create multif family

dwellings uh for people to rent kind of

focused more on the profit uh than

actually building the community itself

and giving people the opportunity to own

what's in the city of Harrisburg. So um

I thank you. What you're saying sounds

good. Um I know some of your history and

the things you do for the community. So

um it's believable. Uh and I appreciate

all that you do and what you're

continuing to do. So thank you.

>> Thank you so much.

>> Okay. Uh, President Hill,

>> thank you. Good evening, gentlemen.

Thank you for joining us tonight. Um,

I'll say that I have admired your

community work for a long time. So, to

know that this is not a short-term

project for you, that you've been

working on it for 2 years um is very

commendable. So, thank you for your time

and attention um to this project.

affordable housing is um a passion of

mine since I've sat on this seat in in

council. Um so I'm happy to know that

this will be something that is

affordable for our families and

residents. Um your target is firsttime

home buyers which is exciting. Um I'm

hopeful that um mainly families will be

interested in this opportunity. I wanted

to discuss funding. So, you were one of

13 awardees

um of city funding for affordable

housing. I just wanted to note that for

the meeting record.

>> Um is there other any other outside

funding that will be utilized for this

project?

>> Yes. Um and that's what I was talking

about with the collaboration also.

There's PHFA. Um there is uh the county

commissioners and the gaming um dollars

that were secured and also um um Mnt

Bank and um uh Midpin Bank community

funds and I think um you know a lot of

the original costs are already taken

care of. Um and I think that's what

makes this project a unique one and one

that's exciting because we're ready to

build. We go right to building and this

is that we'll go to in the spring.

They'll be done and and we'll have

people in those homes. So, uh we do have

funds secure. We've been working on this

for a long time, working very hard on

it.

>> Thank you. Um my other question was

around

it. Could you or someone speak to the

change in the design I guess from the

nine unit multifamily dwelling to the

four um row homes? Uh well, I think

there are a couple reasons. First is um

the issue of parking. That's number one.

>> Okay.

>> Um you know, nine units and four units

are are different. Um and originally the

project was supposed to be almost like

uh people move into these homes and

prepare themselves for home ownership.

So they go into the home and they stay

for

>> I'm sorry, the the apartment um and move

into the apartments and prepare

themselves for home ownership. For me,

the goal was always home ownership and

own owning a stake in your own

community. Um, so that's that's where

the uh that's where we started. Um,

>> okay.

>> Um, going straight to home ownership is

is now the goal. Um, and also, you know,

it cut the price in half, right? So,

when you're trying to build with rising

costs and you're looking at completion

of projects, you know, so many projects

that start off and they never get

completed. For me, it's about

completion. um it made a lot of sense to

to um to bring the project a little

lower and and put people in those homes.

Same goal with just a smaller directive

from 9 to 4.

>> Thank you. I don't have any other

questions.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Rolls.

>> Thank you. So, I have one question, but

first I just want to say thank you for

bringing this project not just to the

city, but to the hill um in the Allison

Hill area because I feel like they're

always left out. A lot of projects go

more towards uptown or in the Midtown

area, but the Hill really does need to

be revitalized. It is a artery coming in

and right now it's not at its best,

right? It needs a facelift. So, I

appreciate you bringing the project into

that area and not only that, but making

it housing

um houses that we can have home

ownership and promote more of that in

the city as you said earlier. I don't

know if it's changed, but I think right

now home ownership is ship is maybe

about 20% in the city. Um, which um

causes um a lot of issues going, you

know, people don't have that stake of

saying this is mine, let me take care of

it. So more home ownership promotes

that. It promotes more community, more

neighborhoods. Um so we need more of

that and also it's affordable. Um so

that that's a big place like yes, we do

need things that are at um market value,

but we also need affordable to get

people in there who um need affordable

housing. So, thank you for not only

making it affordable, but making it um

housing um that is promoting home

ownership and for all you do for the

community because you do so much. So,

thank you. Um you're welcome. I just had

one question. I noticed that um there

the question wasn't answered about

participating in um MBE, WBE, and DBE

participation. So, I was just wondering

if you all had any answers on how you

would be participating and using any of

um those uh companies when building the

housing.

>> I just want to iterate that for whatever

reason the application when it was

submitted, we did have information on

that filled out. So I but I maybe it was

the PDF or something that got lost in

translation but basically the

application was supposed to say uh all

phases of the project including

construction real estate management will

involve MBE participation but if Chris

or Sean want to add on to that they more

than welcome to

>> that's correct. Okay thank you I just

wanted to make make that a note because

I'm sure there will be that

participation but it wasn't there so I

wanted to make sure you were able to

answer that. So, thank you and I look

forward to this project and to seeing it

go from start to finish. So, thank you

again. That's all from me.

>> Thank you.

>> You're welcome.

>> Thank you, Councilman Rodriguez.

>> Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you,

gentlemen, for being here this evening.

Um, Handle's very familiar with your

work. So, thank you for all you do and,

you know, bringing this great team

towards us tonight to speak about the

project. I just had a few brief

questions. Um, first off, you had

mentioned the gaming grant, uh,

municipal shares was awarded. Uh, what

year was that?

>> Oh, um,

>> yeah, it was the most recent grant. Um,

so

>> so last year's.

>> Yes.

>> Okay, awesome. Thank you. And then, um,

as far as the amenities for the home,

uh, will they be like a modern

up-to-date amenities or what what do you

and just your vision for it? What kind

of amenities would you have in these

homes for the families?

>> Um, well, yes, not only modern. I think

a lot of times what happens when it

comes to housing is that you um when we

build these homes, we put these cheap

materials in in a matter of years, the

materials built cheaply get run down.

and it looks like the tenant is running

down the community when in all actuality

we're not building with the right

materials so that they'll last a

lifetime. Um hopefully um you know we

plan on putting state-of-the-art

amenities and and also building with the

right materials so it's something

that'll last.

>> Awesome. Thank you. And then uh as far

as security um any kind of advanced or

uh like you know um just what what's

your thoughts on security, better

lighting, cameras um all of the above?

>> Um well, I mean I think that's part of

um what interests me in home ownership,

right? We know that when people own

their own homes, they take care of the

community better. We know that safety is

a lot better when people own as opposed

to coming in and out. and as opposed to

having absentee

uh landlords. And um so that's that's

part of my goal with getting more or

helping to get more home ownership

within the city. Um like uh the

honorable Joselyn Ross talked about 20%

of ownership in the city. Um and I think

that um with people owning their own it

does add to security. Um, but also I

believe that a lot of the issues that we

have to solve in our community have to

come from the indigenous people in the

community. Um, and when you start to

build up the block, um, when other

people start to invest in the block, um,

I think that it starts to, um, make that

block a lot safer. And a lot of a lot of

times it is cosmetic. When you see

something that looks better, that looks

like it needs to be taken care of, the

community, I trust that the community

will take care of it. and I have trust

in our citizens that they'll protect

that block.

>> Thank you for that. Let me let me

rephrase it. I meant from a developer

standpoint, what kind of security

amenities would come with the homes?

>> Well, right now we we don't have any

security um things. I mean, I'm sure I'm

sure we would um obviously put um

cameras on the front and on the back um

that that would come with a standard um

new home, but right now we don't have

those amenities. Awesome. Thank you for

that. And then um the gentleman to your

left I believe uh spoke about the

pavement restoration. Um do you have any

idea about how much pavement may need to

be restored with this project?

>> So it's about looks like the h about

half the width of Marus Street there. So

it's um sorry let me get the dimension

on what that what that is there. But

it's, you know, it stretches the front

edge of the the units essentially. So,

you know, um 60 32 what 60 a little over

60 feet wide and then whatever about to

the center lane or center line of Market

Street. So, it it probably looks like a

bigger block because of the scale of

this plan, but ultimately it's uh I

don't I don't think it's a as sizable as

what it might appear to be on the on the

plan sheet here.

>> Absolutely. And I want to thank you guys

for even addressing that because there's

so many, as you're aware, um, uh, Chris,

so many neighborhoods in the area that

barely have sidewalks or the remainder

of a sidewalk as is. So, I just thank

you gentlemen for even looking at that,

surveying it, and realizing it's a

problem. And I think just one of my last

I know you guys over the past two years

have done a lot of community outreach.

Um what has been the I guess outlaw from

the community for this project and do

you intend to do any more community

outreach moving forward?

>> Um well first of all it's been

favorable. I think any development in

the city and new structures um are

looked at favorably in the city. That's

number one. Number two I think that it

is time for all of us to connect. I

think we have to not only connect um

with other organizations and um people

existing in the community but we have to

start connecting our communities. Um we

are one city and I think that um the

more people are part of a project or a

part of keeping it safe u um the

stronger uh the community, the stronger

the city. Um so

>> absolutely.

>> So definitely looking for outreach all

the way around. Um the goal is to to be

a part of the upliftment of our city

>> and I think a letter was circulated for

neighborhood support previously correct

when it was in the multifamily design

approach. So and there was I think at

least 15 signatures or something granted

or uh obtained during that process. So

they they have done fair due diligence

on this uh even in the earlier stages of

the project.

I would just uh maybe encourage and if I

could help in any way, Chris, let me

know. Probably just some more uh

outreach to let them know that maybe the

project has changed from the the you

know, from the previous talked about

units to the newer um units. But

regardless, I know you have, you know,

great support. Um I love to support the

project. Um real quick, do you know uh

how much the units you may be asking for

the units per unit? um maybe monthly or

that might that may be contingent on

their mortgage, but uh just wanted to

see if you have an idea of like what

that may go for depending on uh you know

the the person's AMI or credit score. Um

I know it may be hard for you to answer,

but just if you may have an idea for if

someone was to buy it, what would they

be purchasing the homes for?

>> Yeah. Yeah, it is kind of early, but I

anticipate that that not not selling for

more than like 120,000 125,000 per unit.

Okay, that's very reasonable for new

homes.

>> And and

>> Okay, awesome.

>> And to add to that, you know, our goal

is um is for it to be um something that

is affordable, something that people can

move in and have equity in. Our goal is

literally to build generational wealth

and it's to help others. Um so it's it's

not about a profit for us. It's about

making these homes affordable and making

them uh a entity where people have

ownership in their own homes.

Yeah, great answer. Um, and I look

forward to the project being completed

and anyway, you know, I could be of

assistance, please let me know. Um,

thank you all for being here and I have

no further questions. Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> Okay. Thank you, Councilman Jones.

>> Yes. Thank you, Councilwoman Daniels.

Um, how you gentlemen doing? Um, some of

my questions was asked, uh, but, uh,

I'll say this. Um, I'm looking to change

some of the language and how we talk

about what we're doing in our

communities. I hear MBE, affordability,

all of those things. Um, but you

answered those things and I and I really

like the fact that you are looking to

create more home ownership in the city

of Harrisburg. I happen to be uh

fortunate enough to be a part of that

24% home ownership free and clear in the

city of Harrisburg. So, it does make a a

huge difference. uh you and I speak

often. Um and I'm definitely a believer

in generational wealth. Owning a home is

a building block to that. Uh but when we

look at

um Councilman Rodriguez just asked you

know the the when we say affordability

let's say what affordable is let's try

to narrow down and we said we got to a

number 120,000 but when we we look at

the scale on the AMI 30 60 20% of that

and I don't know which one of those

mechanisms you'll use but my question

would be for the people that we're

looking to create as home ownership what

mechanism Are we securing those

individuals to make sure that they are

ready to own a home? Because it comes

with a lot of responsibility. Um, are

the banks going to be involved um,

helping them out with with their

mortgage and, you know, getting them

ready and and prepared to be homeowners?

What programs, if any, that you're using

to help make sure that when you get

these individuals in these homes, they

can potentially keep it?

>> U, well, first, that's an excellent

question. Um, a lot of times we'll put

people in um in in these situations and

not put them in positions to succeed.

So, I think you bring up a critical

point. Um, the goal is to have people

not only move into the homes, but be

successful in owning the home, so they

don't that that so that they don't get

foreclosed on and that they're able to

own and um potentially build um and to

build wealth. Um I I think that just um

what a lot of people don't see is that

the money that they spend for rent um

they can own their own home and own

their own piece of the city and own

their own land. And that's our goal is

to take uh to go underneath what they

would be paying for in rent and give

them a structure that they can own. Not

only that, it's also giving them the

tools to be able to handle money, um, to

manage money and to have the credit to

be able to buy or own a home. And

unfortunately, it's not um, taught in

our schools or in our communities

enough. Um, even personally myself, uh,

these are things that we have to learn

later in life. And the goal is so that

people don't have to go through the same

issues that we had to don't have to

learn about it later in life. Um or um

get these opportunities so that when

they're put in a predicament or put in a

situation during a situation to succeed.

I know I took a long way getting that

reaction. But to answer your question,

yes, we will have um um banks in place

and have um um organizations that we

work with that help them with managing

money and that also help them with

building their credit score and also

looking to help with um um down payment

assisting

and um and in some other

>> So is that through PHFA or fair housing?

I mean, you know, what what programs are

you going to be using for the first time

home buyers association?

>> Yeah, PHFA has a program. I think Tri

County Housing has a program. You know,

they teach them how to to uh repair

their credit their credit score, uh how

to how to budget for home ownership, how

to save to to get the down payment. And

then

>> was it like 5% or did it go up?

>> What's that?

>> 5% they usually try to get them to save

or

>> Yeah, I I think they still want 5%.

Yeah. down for the for the down money.

But but by the same token, all these

bank, not all banks, but I know MT Bank,

I wouldn't be surprised if most of them

do have special programs for this and

they actually contribute money towards

the, you know, towards the closing cost

and they may be willing to come down on

that 5%. They all have first-time home

ownership programs.

>> Yeah. Uh I think that's the important

piece that I'm I'm looking for. Again, I

think yours your project stands out

versus all the rest. Not that we don't

need again this word affordable housing

but um to be creating home ownership is

something that I talk about a lot and um

so I I believe that's what separates you

from these other projects. It's not

again it's not something that you're

looking to carry over 10 years and you

know and disappear over the project. You

know this is someone you can pass off uh

these properties to these individuals.

But my other thing is again you know

something that you mentioned um that I'm

very big on. I ran on um ensuring that

people uh in the city of Harrisburg are

included in the economic growth of the

city. So um making sure that do you have

um intentions

on using local contractors? Um I know we

go with low uh MBEs, but some of them

may not be DBE, MBE, and all of that. So

that's one of my question. Do you have

any idea um or is that something that

you're looking to do when it looks to um

building these projects and investing in

the community, the people that live

here, work here and all of that? So, is

that something that you're looking to do

from the ground level?

>> Um yes. Uh also another critical point

um when we talk about economic

empowerment, it is important for those

indigenous people to have an opportunity

to build um the projects that they in

their own community. Um, so that's one

of the key things um that I that I think

we we're all looking at. Um, and it's um

a very important piece to make sure that

not only are um people getting the

opportunity to live in the homes, but

also getting the opportunity or piece of

of building those homes in the

community.

>> Yeah. Thank you, man. And um again, uh

much success on this project and I hope

that um it leads you to uh look around a

little bit more and look at uh

redevelopment authority and see what

some of these lots and put some more

homes up because it's very tough again

to to to build that market rate. You

know, we we talked about those costs.

And so that's what again I think I

commend you on making this happen uh

with with the partnerships that you have

because again everyone wants uh

apartment complexes and things of that

nature. Not that that's a bad thing, but

again, we're looking to increase the

population in the city of Harrisburg,

uh, which which will increase our tax

base as well. So, uh, thank you guys for

what you're doing. Um, looking forward

to see this project, um, through and I

have no more questions. Uh, Councilman

Daniels, Councilwoman Daniels.

>> Okay. Thank you. Um, so unless anyone

has any

additional questions, um,

>> Councilwoman Daniels, thank you. Um, I

also would like to ask just to topple

off what my colleague just asked. Would

you be willing, now I know this is a new

project. It's not even up and running

yet, but since I've been here, this is

such a unique situation. Everybody wants

to build apartment buildings. This is

the first you're the first

contractor builder who who I've seen

come in here and talk about wanting to

invest in the community and not wanting

to make a lot of money but just to to

invest to uh build homes for home

ownership. Would you be willing to, now

this might be a question that you have

to think about, but be a mentor in our

community?

Like you're the front runner as far as

I'm concerned. And then maybe there are

more people doing this, but I don't know

of any. So would you be the front runner

in terms of teaching and mentoring

others who want to build

uh in our community, who want to help

others own their homes, who want to

invest in this sort of in this type of

project.

>> Um because this is the other thing.

There are people in our community who

want to do what you're doing. They just

don't know how. they don't have all of

the connections, all the pieces just

like MBE.

Um, we have a lot of talented uh people

in our communities, electricians,

plumbers, they don't have the uh

insuranceances, the bonding, they don't

have the certifications, they don't have

any of that. And it seems to me it's

impossible

for whatever reason to get those. So, it

would just be nice to have someone in

our communities that can teach this.

>> Uh well, well, first of all, first of

all, thank you for the kind words. U but

and and yes, I would uh be happy to work

with anybody about about all of this.

And and to be perfectly honest and clear

with you, you know, even with myself, I

had a vision and no idea how I would get

to see this project come to fruition,

which makes it that much stronger for

me.

>> Um, but I think that it's something that

all of us can do, and I think that's

what it's about, all of us coming

together and figuring out ways of

helping each other and and starting to

invest back into our own community. So

yes, I would be willing to work with all

of council and um work with with anyone

when it comes to upliftment of the city.

So thank you for the kind words and and

and the answer is yes, of course.

>> Thank you. And would you be willing to

leave your contact information?

>> Absolutely.

>> Thank you.

>> Hey, was that it?

>> That's it for us?

>> Yes, that's it. Okay. Thank you. So, um

I'd like to add resolution 75 hyphen

2025 to the next legislative session. Um

we can move on now to resolution 76

hyphen 2025. Um Mr. Chel, do you mind

reading that into the record? Resolution

76, 2025, a resolution approving the

preliminary final land development plan

for 1909 Northr Street submitted by

David Butcher of WCI Partner LP to

convert the existing office building

into a multifamily dwelling and

associated

site and access improvements.

>> Thank you. Um Mr. Knight, if you don't

mind um giving us a brief

the procedural history on this

resolution.

>> Uh, sure. So, uh, this project involves

the conversion of the property at 1909

North Front Street, which is, I think,

collally collally collally known I'm

saying that wrong. Uh, as the Hersa

building. Um, so, uh, that, uh,

property, um, I think has been vacant

for some time or will be. uh the um

commercial tenant there is moving out uh

of the building and uh so the uh

applicant uh WCI partners is looking to

convert that property into 60 unit

multif family dwelling um with some

associated site and access improvements.

Uh if you're familiar with the property,

uh there's basically a um accessory

surface parking lot surrounding the

structure uh with enough parking uh to

accommodate the requirements of the

60-unit multif family uh dwelling

building. Um and uh the applicant uh did

receive uh the necessary special

exception approval at the October 20th

zoning hearing board meeting to um p to

ensure the property is in conformance

with the zoning regulations. Um and uh

so I believe the applicant has also

received uh approval of some minor u

changes to the building envelope uh from

HARB because the property is located in

the old uptown municipal historic

district. Um so uh at this point the

zone the land development plan approval

is the final step in their uh proposal

before um submitting a building permit

and moving forward on um that aspect of

the project. Uh with all of that being

said, the planning commission uh

recommends that the

city council approved the request with

the following uh conditions. Uh the

applicant should remove the middle curb

cut driveway on Dominic Street and

replace it with curbing sidewalk and

landscaping to to remove an unnecessary

pedestrian vehicular access point. The

bureau also recommends installing a

direct pedest pedestrian connection from

the front entrance uh from the building

entrance to the front street sidewalk

which is differentiated through physical

features such as brick, stamped concrete

or a raised walkway through the parking

lot. And just to provide a little bit

more information uh on that uh the um

curb cut that's referenced there on Min

Street uh used to be a place where

trucks could back into a loading dock on

that side of the property which will no

longer be necessary under the proposed

configuration. Uh and the applicant or

the planning bureau is also recommending

a direct connection uh from the building

entrance to the front street sidewalk

through what is now uh like a landscape

hedging um to just provide a way for

pedestrians uh to access the property

without having to walk through the

vehicular curb cuts. Um the planning

bureau recommends the applicant replace

the tenant storage closet closest to the

main elevator with the bike storage room

for residents or their guests who do not

drive. Uh due to the building's

footprint in the AE 100-year flood

plane, any investment into the building

or new installations on the property

will require conformance with the city's

flood plane ordinance, and the applicant

should continue coordination with the

flood plane administrator regarding the

application of these regulations to the

subject property. And finally, any

proposed exterior alterations to the

building or site must be coordinated

with the city's historic preservation

specialists and if necessary must

receive harbor approval of a COA

application, uh which I believe has been

received. Uh the planning commission

recommends city council approve the

request for the following reasons. The

adaptive reuse of vacant and

underutilized office spaces into

apartment buildings is a long-term trend

within the city and the project

represents a reasonable proposal to

offset the loss of a commercial tenant

and meet the increasing demand for

housing through the provision of new

units. Uh the project site is located

along the mixeduse Front Street corridor

and other conversions of former office

buildings have demonstrated the proposed

use does not adversely impact the

character of the neighborhood and the

project will address the primary concern

of such conversions through the

provision of sufficient off- streetet

parking to meet the demand from new

tenants and their guests. And finally,

the proposed reuse will add new

residents to the neighborhood to

activate the street on nights and

weekends and grow a customer base to

support local businesses and will

provide additional units to the Midtown

housing inventory.

Okay, thank you. Um, so if the applicant

uh wouldn't mind um just giving a brief

summary of the project, time frames, uh

costs related to the units and um and

please be as both thorough and succinct

as possible. Thank you.

>> Sure. Uh thank you, Councilwoman. My

name is Dave Butcher. I'm with WCI

Partners. Um

uh Jeff summarized the U project fairly

well. Um Hersa Hospitality is leaving

current location uh creating another

vacant building city. Um about 60,000

adding to about million uh that we have

vacant city. They approached us, asked

if

purchasing the building,

looked at it and said yes,

residential conversion. Uh,

so the application

>> Okay, thank you. Um, I guess I'll go

ahead and just open up to my fellow

council members.

Uh, at this point, I'll start to my far

left this time. Councilman Jones.

>> Uh, thank you, Councilwoman Daniels. How

you doing today, sir?

>> All right. Um, similar questions to um

the last um developer,

if you will. Um, do you have any

intentions on looking uh locally to um

hire anyone or would this create any

jobs? Let me start there. Would this

create any jobs?

>> Yeah, about 100 construction.

How many?

>> 100.

>> Okay. All right. Yeah. Um and are you

looking local or are you looking outside

of the city to

>> Yeah. Um

>> as much as you can?

>> Yeah. Uh we we looked at our current

roster of subcontractors and we have

about 20% that are minority or uh

womanowned businesses that are local

just outside the city. Um

so it's about 20 to 25% of our current

uh

roster. Now, I don't think they're all

officially registered MBE or WB. That's

a separate registration.

They are women of minority owned local

businesses in the city of Harrisburg

20%.

>> Okay. Yeah. So, that was something that

I was just talking about. Not so much of

that. You heard some of my colleagues

speak of that, too, cuz some people may

not have that. and maybe they may have

an opportunity if they're not primed to

be that sub something can come in on

some of those projects. So I'm not so

when I say local I'm not just talking

about outside of the city. Um I think

again one of my biggest things is in

public safety. I always believe in if

someone's working with a living wage

they're less likely to be out committing

crimes. And so um there's a

a struggle for jobs out here and skill

set too. So, I'm not holding to MBE or

anything. Again, this is just something

when I say local. Um, again, I witnessed

the projects come into the city of

Harrisburg. It was the federal

courthouse, $396 million project, and no

one around here got a job. So, I'm just

asking that. It's not a requirement for

my vote. It's just something that I'm

interested in seeing if some of the

developers, and this is what I'm going

to ask every developer when they come

in. So, don't feel singled out.

>> I understand and appreciate it. And we

We do hire within the city.

I have the list here. It's

>> pretty good.

>> Yeah. Three, three, four in the city.

Yeah.

>> Okay.

>> So, we would we're always open.

>> Gotcha. So, yeah, man. Um, great luck

with this project. Um, if anything I can

do to assist in finding some of those

new people,

uh, let me know. Uh but I have no

further questions and thank you for uh

what you're doing here in the city.

>> Thank you.

>> I thank you uh Councilman Rodri.

>> Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you

for joining us this evening. I was just

curious about how many jobs that uh may

be created, but you've alluded to nearly

100 with construction. So, um that's all

I really had, but thank you once again

for joining us and I look forward to the

project.

>> Thank you.

Thank you, Councilwoman RWS.

>> Thank you. Good evening. Thank you for

being here today. Thank you for bringing

another uh project to the city that will

create housing. Um, one of my questions

were already answered about how many

jobs and I know President Hill will ask

about um affordability. So, I will hear

from her once she asked those questions.

So, I just had one additional question.

I'm always concerned about who will take

care of the property once it is built.

So, I was wondering one I I have a

two-part question. Um, who will manage

the property when it's built and do you

have other properties and who manages

them as well?

>> Yeah, so we we've been in business in

the city for 20 here is our 20th year.

Um, we have about 300 units total. Uh,

we have a management division within our

business. So, we self-manage all of

them. Um, we don't hire third party. We

don't do third party management for

others. We just manage our our own

projects. So, um we'll manage it. Uh the

location of this one is actually very um

easy to makes it easy to manage because

it's right next to our office building.

Our management right there. So, we're

almost like an on-site manager for this

one.

>> Okay. Right. You're not out of the

country.

>> No, not out of the not even out of the

city.

>> Thank you.

Okay. Well, that is that is a plus

because um we have some landlords or

management companies that are not in

proximity. I should say landlords

because the management companies do have

to be in a certain um diameter of where

we are, but still thank I'm glad you are

close and it's right next to your

office. So, thank you. So, that's it for

me. That's um thank you very much. I'll

pass it along.

>> Thank you, President Hill.

>> Thank you. Good evening. Yes, my

questions will be around affordability.

Um, are you interested in participating

in the voluntary Harrisburg affordable

housing program which would

>> Sorry, go ahead.

>> Um,

roughly 20%

of the units. So, this at 60 that's

about 12 units would be deemed

affordable for our residents.

The way I understand the program is that

it's for density bonuses. Is that right?

Is that what it's for?

>> Yeah, that's that's one of the

>> there's a there are

>> bonuses that can be several

>> variables.

>> I got it. I I see. I was thinking that

in order to participate in it, you

needed you need a density. We don't need

the density relief. Um, one of the

challenges on version like this is the

cost to do it. what it's worth when

you're done and servicing the debt to

the bank. Um, so we're going to have

loans on this that we'll have to service

and just doing the math, the rents have

to be at a certain level to pay.

Um, so

we're we I think I've said this before

when I come here that um we look at the

affordable housing issue as holistically

as we can with our I mentioned the 300

units within the 300 units that we have.

So I would say about 20% of the 300 are

affordable like within or below the of

the region but it's difficult to do that

on a single project or on a project

project basis because of the costs and

the loan servicing. So on this

particular one, some of the rents are

going to be about the average the city

uh which we think is pretty good. Um but

some are going to be higher. So we'll do

our best. I understand the issue um

personally um told not to share that.

But um

the

one thing that we've done um I think is

a creative solution sometimes when you

have to service these loans is um we've

worked with third-party groups like

Church World Services. I don't if you've

heard of their so they um have a uh

their immigration and refugee services.

So we worked with Katrina there and what

they had a shortage of housing for the

refugees.

We have apartments that we need to get

market rate rents for their costs and

our

So we came up with this idea together.

We met at the international service

center in the basement of Presbyterian

Church there at market square. Uh and

Dr. Fong helped convene this thing. Um

and the idea and the solution we came up

with is that we have a third party like

Church World Services that can guarantee

the rent. So they sign the lease, they

guarantee the rent developer needs from

market rate to pay their loan. cost they

can turn around then give the apartment

an affordable rate. So we've done that a

couple of times and then when the new

administration come in the funding for

refugee services. So church world

services we still have two units left

that we do in our portfolio with that

but that was one creative solution. So

it's an important topic to me. Um, we do

the best that we can, but I also have

demands, loans, other costs, just the

math of the project have to have to

figure out.

>> I understand. Um, have you determined

estimates for the rent for these units?

>> Yeah, I think the average rent in the

city right now is 1300. Um, we're going

to be around there for some of them and

then others

the size.

>> Okay, thank you. I don't have any other

questions.

>> Thank you. Um, Vice President,

>> thank you very much. I don't have any

questions for you.

>> Thank you.

>> Thank you, Vice President. Uh, D, sorry.

Uh, Councilwoman Davis.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Daniels. Good

evening. Thank you for coming in this

evening.

>> You mentioned,300.

Would that be for a one-bedroom

apartment?

>> Yeah.

>> Okay.

So, 60 units. Well, I understand, you

know, the need to pay back a loan to the

bank and

uh and everything that goes with that. I

don't have a 60 unit building, but I do

have a couple well one apartment

building, so I understand. Um but then

at on the other hand, affordability is

important to us. I mean, we have a

housing shortage and a homeless problem

here. And um I just personally think

that everyone should have an opportunity

with uh the developments that's coming

into our city. Our city residents should

have an opportunity. Uh it's a small

portion

have an opportunity to rent some of

these. I mean, they're they are

taxpayers also. Um, so it's my only

statement, but thank you again.

>> Sure.

>> Thank you.

>> I was told not to share this because it

sounds manipulative and I don't mean it

that way. So, I'm just going to say I

agree with you. I grew up very low

income, single mother. Had we not lived

with my grandma, we would have been

unhoused. I got scholarships

and loans to go to college. I understand

the issue low-inccome affordable housing

taxpayers. I get it on a personal level.

I have to meet though the requirements

of the bank equity that comes in to make

project work. And so I'm constant I'm

trying to navigate these things. So I'm

sorry I just I did share it. It was my

lived experience. And so I just I want

to know I want you to know It is. It

matters to me, but I have an economic

reality that I have to navigate. I I

appreciate the comment. I hope that

doesn't sound

>> No, it sounds human. Thanks.

>> You're being vulnerable. No, thank you.

Appreciate actually. It made me

understand a little bit more with the

loan process and how you have to look at

rents and set them to pay back a loan.

That was a new aha moment for me. I

never heard that before. So, um I don't

know about anybody else. I can't speak

for everybody, but I just learned

something today. So, thank you. You

learn something new every day. And that

was mine. So, thank you for that wow

moment.

>> And um I'm sure that the property is

going to cash flow. I know that. So, you

know, keeping that in mind, I know a

little bit about multi-units and uh

that's the whole purpose of having a

multi-unit is that so it can cash flow.

The uh it's a commercial property. It's

going to increase in value every year.

Every year it's going to increase in

value and you're going to be able to

raise rents every year, too. Um I don't

know. Are you going to will there be any

other amenities on site?

>> Yeah. Um there will be a fitness center,

two tenant community rooms that they can

use a birthday party, watch a Super

Bowl, something like that. And then

tenant business center, work from home

obviously is a big thing. So if you

don't want to work in your apartment,

business center work, we'll have desks

and offices. And then we're trying to do

a pet center.

that washes.

>> Okay, sounds nice.

>> Thank you.

>> Does anyone have any other last minute

questions?

>> Okay. Um, I'd like to go ahead and add

resolution 76 hyphen 2025 to the next

legislative uh calendar. Um, and this

concludes the business of the community

and economic development committee.

Thank you, uh, Councilwoman Daniels.

Thank you. Um, our next committee

business lies with the public safety

committee. I will defer to our public

safety committee chair, Councilman

Jones, to lead discussion.

>> Thank you, uh, President Hill. Uh, Mr.

Trudell, can you please read resolution

85 of 25 into the record?

>> Resolution 85, 2025, a resolution

confirming the appointment of Celis M.

Dillard to serve on the Citizens Law

Enforcement Advisory Committee.

>> Thank you,

Miss Dillard. How are you?

>> Hi. Good evening. I'm doing okay.

>> Good. Good. So, if you can just uh share

briefly um obviously your name and you

know a little bit of your background and

then I'll ask a few questions and pass

it on to my colleagues.

>> Okay. Um so that I didn't say too much.

I kind of put something together. Um, so

as you know, uh, my name is Celis

Dillard. Um, I was born in Puerto Rico

and I moved here when I was 14. Um, I

attended Ren Redland High School in the

Warsaw School District. And after I

graduated, um, I did a I held a couple

of positions that helped me develop uh,

a wide range of skills that I still use

today. I'm bilingual, which means that I

can read, write, and speak in Spanish

fluently. Um, I'm a mother of two girls,

and Joel's 25, Riley, 20. Um, I've been

married to my husband for 21 years,

Brian. Um, when I moved to Harrisburg, I

quickly realized, um, how different life

can be from one side of the river to the

other. Um, when I began working for the

Harrisburg School District, it ignited

um a new passion in my heart. I had

always felt that I I was meant to do

something. I just wasn't sure what that

was until I realized how deeply I wanted

to help our youth. Um, our young people

often struggle without the proper tools

and support which can lead them to fear

police, turn to violence

or distrust the system around them. At

the same time, our police officers are

present and willing to help, but many of

them are quickly um are also quick to

judge and may not fully understand how

fragile and vulnerable our youth truly

are.

I believe that there is an opportunity

and an urgent need to build a stronger,

healthier, and more trusting

relationship between our young people

and our police. By being part of the

CLEAC, I hope to help bridge that gap

and create positive change to our

community.

>> Thank you. So I don't really have to ask

questions cuz that was some of the stuff

uh would interest you and um uh and and

again uh just for full transparency she

has been attending some of uh the cle

meetings that have already started. So

I'm very aware u great resume and I

understand your passion so I don't have

any questions for you. I'll open the

floor to my immediate right to

Councilman Rodriguez.

Thank you, Chair Jones. And uh I have no

questions, just a few statements. It's

uh amazing to see the work that you're

continuing to do with the CLEAC board

chair. So, thank you. And u uh getting

someone that is bilingual in the Spanish

speaking community is amazing and I

think it will go a long ways on this

board. Um it's great to see the board

being built of such diversity and I just

can't wait to see the amazing things

they'll be doing. And um thank you,

Queen, for your interest in serving on

the Cleak board. Uh it's just learning

Spanish is just something I wish I was

raised with my parents. My family's from

Pon, Puerto Rico, so go Puerto Ricqua.

It's just uh you know um losing and

being detached from my family at a young

age. I wasn't able to fully grasp on um

and my grandmother, she died at an old

age and she was stubborn. She never

wanted to learn English, so she went

back to Puerto Rico every winter. So go

figure. But um it's just great that you

uh have this willingness to serve on

this board and I just can't wait to see

the amazing things you'll do. Um thank

you for your passion and commitment. Um

nothing further.

>> Thank you,

>> Councilwoman Ross.

>> Thank you. Good evening. Thank you for

um being willing to volunteer on this

committee. That's much needed. Um and

also thank you for having a stake within

our youth. Um uh I just appreciate you

just being willing to come here tonight.

I don't have any questions. you answered

them all in which you said you didn't

want to talk too much, but you did a

great job and it was short, sweet, and

to the point. So, thank you and I look

forward um to seeing you volunteer on

the board.

>> Thank you.

>> That's it for me,

>> President Hill.

>> Thank you. Good evening. I don't have

any questions for you. I too have seen

your participation with the CLEAC um

board meetings and your presence. So,

thank you.

>> Thank you,

>> Vice President Green. Thank you very

much, Councilman Jones. Um, I don't have

any questions for you. Thank you for

your willingness to serve, um, for your

excitement for our youth, uh, and

bringing that to the board along with

your bilingual capabilities. So, just

thank you for being here and, uh, being

willing to give this a shot. So, thank

you.

>> Thank you,

>> Councilwoman Davis.

>> Thank you for your willingness to serve.

Thank you,

>> Councilwoman Daniels.

and just whether you have any potential

conflicts of interest.

I'm

>> I'm sorry I didn't hear you.

>> Do you have any conf potential conflicts

of interest?

>> No, I don't believe so. No.

>> That's it for me. Thank you.

>> All right. Thank you for coming out. And

um I would ask I move to act resolution

85 of 2025 to our next legislative

session. and I would ask my colleagues

to support.

>> Thank you, Councilman Jones. Our final

committee business this evening lies

with the public works committee. I will

defer to our public works committee

chair, Councilman Rodriguez, to lead

discussion.

>> Thank you, Madam President. Um before we

begin committee business, I'd like to

thank Madame President for her

leadership in providing the public works

report in my absence last week. uh my

home has been facing some circumstances

and I just ask everyone to keep my

family in their prayers. Um so moving

forward with the public works business,

we'll be discussing two resolutions.

Resolution 80 of 2025 and resolution 81

of 2025. Mr. Trudale, would you mind

please reading both resolutions into the

record?

Resolution 80, 2025, a resolution

authorizing the submission of a

Pennsylvania local share assessment

grant application for up to $1 million

from the Commonwealth Financing

Authority to fund renovations of the

city's public works facility at 1820

Paxton Street, Harrisburg, PA1 17104.

Resolution 812025,

a resolution authorizing the city of

Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into

an intergovernmental cooperation

agreement with the Bureau of Penrook

authorizing the city to continue to

provide municipal solid waste and

recycling collection and disposal

services within the bureau.

>> Thank you for that. And I believe we

have Director West and M. Rebecca Bulmer

in attendance this evening.

>> Sorry. also have Sam Sakowski, business

administrator, interim.

>> All right, great to see you, Mr.

Sakowski. Um, if you gentlemen would

like to give an overhaul for council on

resolution 80 of 2025, we'll discuss

that resolution first.

>> Which one?

>> Um, yeah, going through the budget

process this year, we had uh discussions

with the public works department. Can

you guys all hear me? Okay.

>> Yes, sir. a lot better than last time I

think. So anyway, uh so in that in those

budget discussions, we had found out

that capital needs of uh uh some repairs

to the public works building uh

including the floor, the roof and and

windows and uh we have a I was familiar

with the local share account statewide

which is open uh in in open in

September, October and closes at the end

of this month where we can apply for up

to a million dollars maximum. And uh

this is also a very phasable project

because you could use each one of those

uh needs as a as a different uh phase.

So if we don't get quite the full

amount, we can phase it one, two, and

three. So um so that's basically what

this grant is for. It's for repairs uh

and upgrades to the to the public works

building. And about the particular

shape, I'll let Director West talk about

that.

>> All right. And uh Director West, um I

know you and I meet pretty frequently.

Um this would be the same adjustments

for the VMC specialty flooring, the

bullet holes in some of the windows, the

roofing, etc.

>> Yes. Uh good evening, President Hill and

Council members. Uh yes, we um recently

um purchased the building. It now

belongs to the city of Harrisburg

and we did not do the repairs since we

were in the building because we did not

own the building. We currently own the

building now. So, we have an obligation

to bring it up to its standards as far

as a public works facility. And when we

uh entered the building, the facility of

the uh vehicle maintenance floor was not

up to par and it continue to go in the

downhill aspect.

So now we um as you see the pictures uh

we are in dire need of repairing and

redoing the entire floor uh through and

through.

And again, we either had the choice of

placing it in the budget for next year

or finding a resource of finance to pay

for redoing the floor. And this is one

of the solutions that um Sam, business

administrator, came up with and an

alternative versus placing in a budget

at a cost of to the city.

And so it was the the floor of the

vehicle maintenance center, the windows

that you know we kind you keep them

clean, but when we entered the building

they had uh bullet holes in them, but

the the the windows are strong. So it's

not like it went through. It's just

showing and the cracks in the window.

And it's not good for a public work

facility, you know, to look like that

when you have the residents entering at

all all times of the day. And we deal

with the entire community public works

facility. Also with the roof, we um

we're going to try to repair the roof in

different areas, but the importance and

log standing of the building because

we're going to be there is to redo the

roof. So in that order, you know,

whatever uh monies that we can come up

with with the grant and that's what

we'll do in that order. The primary

purpose is the floor. Uh secondary

purpose will be the windows and third

would be the roof.

>> Awesome. Thank you for that. And I did

forward um the floor proposal from H

that you sent me. Uh so hopefully

council got all got that ahead of the

meeting. If not, my sincere apologies.

Along with that proposal was some images

of the damaged VMC flooring. Um, and I

believe I may have not gotten the roof

images over, but I believe you brought

them this evening, Mr. West. Is that

correct?

>> That's correct. Yes, that's correct.

Also, I will Okay.

>> I will send out the u uh pictures of the

windows as well.

>> Okay. Thank you for that. Um, I have

nothing to add, but I would like to open

it up to my colleagues for any

questions. Starting with my immediate

left, uh, Mr. Councilman Jones, any

questions?

>> Thank you, uh, Mr. Councilman Rodriguez.

No questions.

>> All right. Awesome. Uh, moving forward,

uh, Councilwoman Ross.

>> Thank you, Councilman Rodriguez, and

good evening to all of you. I don't have

any questions.

>> Thank you. Awesome. Uh, Madame

President.

>> Good evening. I don't have any

questions. Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> Awesome, Madame Vice President.

>> Thank you. Uh, good evening. Thank you

for being here. I don't have any

questions.

>> Thank you.

>> You, Councilwoman Davis.

>> Thank you, Councilman Rodriguez. Thank

you, gentlemen. Thank you, young lady,

for being here. I'm just thinking your

name. Thank you. Um, and I just want to

say thank you, Mr. Sakowski, for your

resourcefulness and finding this grant

and just thank you for considering uh,

Mr. as everyone the um the taxpayers the

residents of our city. So that's really

highlight and what I think everyone

should be doing trying to save

>> well one of my passions is spending

state money

>> not city money but state money so

whenever we can do that

>> thank you

>> let me just add one one small point I

just want to this is a is a state grant

there's also no local match to this so

it's a it's a 100% grant so

Thank you.

>> Thank you for that.

>> All right.

>> I'm sorry. Councilwoman Davis, were you

done?

>> Oh, yes. I was finished. Councilman

Rodriguez,

>> my apologies. Okay. Moving forward.

Councilwoman Daniels.

>> No questions. Thank you.

>> All right. And I see we do have uh Miss

Rebecca Vulmer joining us. Is there

anything you'd like to add?

>> Um is this on?

>> Oh, it is. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Sorry.

Sorry. Oh, sorry. Um, yeah. So, uh, we

had a great chance to have, um, meet

with public works folks and like learn a

lot more about the state of their, um,

sorry, I talk my voice low. Um, one of

the things they talked about so much is

that the floors there there's like

pieces that are just coming apart. So

people who are just like walking across

doing nothing, let alone people who are

walking across like carrying, you know,

things that are weigh 100 pounds, they

there's a there's a really serious slip

and trip. Uh and also there's all these

different pieces of equipment that are

stored over public works. And so we have

to fix the floors so that our the folks

who work at public works are safe and

then also to fix the roof so that it

protects the floor and also protects all

the that is being stored there. So, we

have a lot of components for tons of

different uh vehicles that are part of

the fleet. We need to make sure that

they are protected. So, there's just

like floor roof, floor roof. It's kind

of like a whole thing comes together and

um they're a great group of folks over

there and they're very tightly knit. So,

I don't know. I learned a lot last week

just talking to them. So, um, yeah, I

mean, if we can get this state money,

uh, done, it would be great. Great. We

may not get all of it. I mean, you know,

we don't always get all of it, but if we

can get some, uh, we can start, that

would be great.

>> Thank you.

>> Awesome. Well, thank you all. Does um,

anyone from the administration or

directors have anything uh, else to add

as far as resolution 80205 is concerned?

Yes.

>> Uh any further

>> as everyone correct

>> might not be aware of the vehicle

maintenance center covers the 418

vehicles and piece of equipment that the

city owns through the entire city fleet.

So it's responsible for anything that

moves as far as vehicles in the city. So

it's very important. We just purchased

the uh new lifts thanks to the last

agreement that was agreed by the

administration and council. So we are

are coming along and the floor will be

very beneficial. We also took u some uh

monies that we had and we repainted the

vehicle maintenance center so it looks a

lot better and the floor will be the

completion of the vehicle maintenance

center. So, it'll look like a a brand

new facility.

>> That's awesome. That's great news. All

right. Um, any questions from my

colleagues on council regarding

resolution 80 of 25?

>> Right. Hearing none, um, we will move

right into resolution 81 of 2025. U,

Director West, would you like to give a

overhaul of resolution 81 of 2025?

Resolution

81 is a renewal of the contract with um

Penrook. As I was here a couple of weeks

ago with the um saying renewal of the

contract with Paxang, this is the same

arena.

It's just a different burrow. So

the renewal would be the same as the

three

years with the two years extension

and I don't know if you received the um

notes for the contract and the last time

that we uh discussed about the Pakistan

we were asked about revenues and if you

need those revenues we will send them to

you again as well. We have them.

>> Huh?

>> I'm not I sent those earlier today to

the president of council. So, she she

she has those. So,

>> yes. Yes, we did see those revenues um

and expenses for the 24 and 25 year.

Absolutely. Uh Mr. Scowski, is there

anything you'd like to add or Miss

Rebecca?

>> No, I was just going to add that uh we