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solicitor Connors okay with me
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uhor Jeffrey Knight planning and you're
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going to kill me because I always get CH
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WR ceron she represents Harrisburg uh
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solicitors um BL we have courtt repor
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present and for the reason for this is
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that this is a formal meeting okay
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similar to a uht a hearing from common
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their policy rules okay uh formal they
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court reporter makes a transcript in the
1:07
event that there's an appeal to Court of
1:12
decision again we act like a court of
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law our decisions are must be based off
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of fact and law not popularity or
1:20
unpopularity of a project and what seems
1:23
to be good or bad project in other words
1:25
applicant must meet a burden of proof
1:29
that proves the the elements of the
1:30
variance or special exceptions the law
1:34
that we reference is the city's zoning
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codes and Pa municipalities planning
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code um and we have people in the
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audience who are going to speak and they
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will be sworn in and they will be able
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to step up and speak and I apologize for
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interruption okay okay I we speak one at
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a time um continuing cases well those
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cases where applicant is already
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propest went rep meeting think we have
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one that's been request to
2:08
continuance everyone is okay and let's
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uh let's just you know announce it
2:15
announce that it was uh continued which
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um that was one with the they just had
2:25
to go back the applicant just had to go
2:27
back to the Planning Commission I think
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uh some information to to then go so
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they'll go to the Planning Commission uh
2:36
in November and then our meeting uh uh
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which will be November 18th and I marked
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as A2 and it's Justin Hershey's uh um
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email um requesting the continuance
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which uh this board I assume will grant
2:53
that continuance request uh to the
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Deni okay so you'll do this request
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first the 2588 continuance
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request right so that will be granted
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make a motion and then Mr make a motion
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okay so I'll make a motion to continue
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November uh board zoning board meeting
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second moving properly second uh
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questions all in favor I I so that case
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will be moved to the next month's
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meeting so the second case I'll have
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read it in record okay that's
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2589 and um so that is uh 1103 South
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Front Street request for variance and a
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special exception I'll read in the
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exhibits and then we can go from there
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so it is uh B1 proof of publication
4:15
which was in the October 6 October 13
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Patriot news uh B2 is the uh letter
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letter sent from the planning director
4:22
to applicant notifying uh of tonight's
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hearing B3 is the hearing notice that's
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posted on the uh property which was on
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2024 B4 applicants notification letters
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to the required neighbors B5 is the uh
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application for the zoning relief with
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photos of the exterior of the property
4:43
and the plans for the proposal B6 is a
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deed to the property establishing
4:49
applicant uh SL owner uh their standing
4:52
to pursue the zoning relief B7 is the
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planning Bureau case report and B8 is
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the city of Harris Planning Commission
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resolution so we have B1 through
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do any might want to yes
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I um so for case number
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2589 the applicant is proposing to
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construct a permanent Housing
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Development for homeless individuals
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featuring 32 individual tiny homes which
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includes bathroom facilities a community
5:41
center and Associate site and access
5:43
improvements the project requires zoning
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hearing board approval of a special
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exception for a use not specifically
5:47
prohibited in the zoning code per
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7-33 uh1b of the zoning code and of a
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variance application for building
5:55
shorter than the 36 foot minimum height
5:58
outlined in section 7- 3073 a of the
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zoning code um so the zoning hearing
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board um should be relatively familiar
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with this property uh by now and uh kind
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of the development proposal uh being put
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forward by the applicants uh because it
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is similar to that of um the two other
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developments that have received Z her
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and board approval down there the uh
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recently completed vpa Village at the
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southern end of the property um and uh
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the 2B constructed uh tunnels to Towers
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project project uh this is a bit more
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similar to the um VOA facility in that
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they have kind of tiny homes uh um a
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campus of tiny homes with a uh Community
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Center there where staff and volunteers
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will uh meet be able to provide services
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to Residents um however it has uh a bit
6:49
more um um intensity with respect to the
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individual units because they're full
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units with kitchenet and bathrooms uh
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which is similar to the tunnels of the
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towers project to the north uh the V
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facility uh did not have like full
7:04
bathroom facilities and uh and kitchen
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facilities so this is kind of um in
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between both of those projects and um as
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such uh our the planning bureaus um
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approach to the project has been similar
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to our approach to the other projects uh
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as has uh the uh planning commissions um
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so uh largely generally speaking um the
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uh plan Bureau and Planning Commission
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have been supportive of The Proposal uh
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the proposed use the uh type of
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development footprint that the
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applicants are proposing um but there
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are a few recommendations uh that or
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sorry a few uh conditions uh that the
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Planning Commission uh has uh attached
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to their approval uh the first being if
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granted zoning approval to move forward
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with the project as proposed the
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applicant shall submit a land
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development plan for approval from the
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Planning Commission and city council uh
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the applicant should ensure that the
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tiny homes will be 8 a compliant uh to
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ensure that they are able to accommodate
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as many of as much of the population as
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possible uh the applicant should
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coordinate with the capital are green
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build Association and t2t the tunnel to
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Towers projects Representatives uh
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regarding the retention of the green Bel
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across the property this will retain a
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recreational amenity for the community
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at large and will provide a walking
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biking route for residents to connect to
8:20
the surrounding community and the city
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overall um as the applicant notes many
8:25
will not own vehicles uh based on the
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proposed site design the planning Bureau
8:28
notes that this site can accommodate the
8:29
green belt in the northeastern corner of
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the property connecting the existing
8:32
bridge over the railroad tracks to a
8:34
future alignment to the north uh the
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planning Bureau recommends that the
8:38
applicant all the required bike parking
8:39
near the main entrance to the of the
8:41
community center and that it be
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sheltered for the benefit of staff and
8:43
volunteers uh residents of the tiny
8:46
homes can store their bikes and their
8:47
units and I believe at the Planning
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Commission meeting the applicants had um
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indicated that that would be uh
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something that they would be uh
8:55
amendable to uh and then finally the
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planning Bureau recommends that the
8:58
applicant coordinate with the city arur
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regarding required landscaping and trees
9:01
on site and consider installing native
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plants and pollinator plants in
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landscaped areas throughout the site
9:06
generally and more specifically around
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the proposed storm water detention
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basins Planning Commission recommends
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that the zoning her board approve the
9:13
request for the following reasons the
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proposed project will meet a critical
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need housing for homeless individuals
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will provide units with full bathroom
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and kitchen facilities that improve
9:21
their standard of living and will
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further development of a housing
9:24
typology that has been proposed and
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completed for other sites in the
9:27
immediate area uh project represents a
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continuation of recent development
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projects in this area intended to
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provide accommodations and services for
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those experiencing homelessness and
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finally if the recommended conditions of
9:38
approval are adopted the proposed
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project will resolve improvements to the
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site that will provide benefits to the
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greater Public Welfare including
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formalized access for greenbo users in
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tra improved trail conditions and
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maintenance of existing natural and
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you um the applicants I need to ra
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where you went and your name and address
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and who you're representing okay so
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hand okay you SAR the information you're
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to provide tonight is truth and hold
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truth thank you swor in and announce
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your name wend Hoover 1500 Smokehouse
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17110 thank you Josh widler U we the
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civil engineer representing Edenville
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Villages BL companies 3501
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Marketplace so present your project
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thank you sure I I take you're familiar
10:39
with theen Village concept we're one
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difference some from vpa we're a
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permanently affordable housing project
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so individuals will be able to live
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there as long as they want pay a small a
10:52
very affordable rent on a monthly basis
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and uh ours is geared towards single
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individuals um which are currently
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homelessness um one quick update that I
11:03
want to give on the Green Belt
11:07
specifically um and I've been told that
11:10
they've come to an agreement the green
11:12
belt and all the other parties that
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they're going to reroute on Sycamore
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Street now the exact specifics I don't
11:20
think are are detailed um but I think
11:23
the cap the green belts uh Engineers are
11:25
working on the exact plan how we get to
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similar to the t t people Happ to Route
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Around on syore Street yeah and I'm I'm
11:37
not familiar with what the proposed
11:40
route would be uh necessarily um and if
11:45
there is something where they're able to
11:46
maintain the connection uh in a way that
11:48
you know is safe for the public uh for
11:52
the longterm future we would be okay
11:54
with um you know waving uh the condition
11:57
in the playing bu would I don't want to
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speak for the plan commission uh waving
12:01
the condition relative to the green belt
12:04
um but until there's I guess like a
12:08
final formal thing it's kind of a little
12:11
area yeah if if I can speak to that so
12:15
um again we are we are comfortable with
12:17
the condition of working with the green
12:18
belt on this um and you know I don't
12:23
think it's full obviously not fully
12:24
finalized right the path but certainly
12:25
working with the green Bel or something
12:35
else I think so I mean everything else
12:38
on the list has been we're fully on
12:41
board with and and willing to move
12:42
forward um we need to raise some some
12:45
funds uh before we get to actually doing
12:49
um we're in that process now
12:57
okay so okay got a few questions okay
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so that's South Front Street I'm looking
13:04
at the Little Creek that's FR behind it
13:06
has any thought been given to flood any
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conditions uh yes so the project site
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overall is within the 100-year flood
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plane so the entire um proposed
13:20
development is outside of that 100-year
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flood plane uh there may be portions
13:24
that are in the 500e flood plane but we
13:25
will be outside of the base flood plane
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okay Mr Knight they do they they've done
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a land usage plan too that's uh I
13:33
believe it'll be subsequent to the
13:35
board's decision on this yes okay good
13:37
okay and say you out the crw or
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something for water runoff and
13:41
everything else that'll be part of that
13:43
plan um you said the single is this
13:45
going to be single residence you know
13:49
affordable I was going to ask what you
13:51
what's your idea of affordability but is
13:52
whatever somebody can pay or
13:55
3 okay good and these are fully
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comp and this is all single residences
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this is not for families that's correct
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okay I do believe one of the
14:32
they covered that pretty
14:42
good will they be allowed to have a park
14:45
have uh cars for people live there so
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okay so you all have
14:51
parking is it though I mean they they
14:54
may have cars you don't expect most of
14:56
them though right because due to their
14:59
condition right yeah okay right and uh
15:06
was kind of figuring out what the
15:09
similar uses with the parking and it was
15:13
you know what is it like 20 spaces that
15:16
it it's more it it's kind of more it was
15:19
like 15 for the one and I guess it was
15:21
maybe the multif family would be more
15:23
but kind of balancing them out and due
15:25
to the you know the U condition of you
15:30
know who they are moving in that that
15:32
was sufficient and and I do think it's
15:34
the requirement to be much closer to a
15:36
Supportive Housing facility use then a
15:37
multif family dwelling because I think
15:39
you know the multif family dwelling is
15:41
you're within a community you have
15:42
people come in to visit you a lot like I
15:44
I think that'll probably be reduced the
15:46
types of trips and stuff like that from
15:47
other people how's security going to be
15:50
around this around this facility will
15:52
you have uh cameras on on site security
16:07
and you said something your your your
16:10
funding sources phfa is it is this going
16:13
to be Federal funding State funding or
16:15
help with the construction we're open
16:18
sources we not going to
16:20
take okay never turn a nickel down okay
16:27
um you have any questions for no
16:31
probably goe Mr Hobs I just had a
16:34
question so you mentioned that there was
16:37
$350 um per month is that correct yeah
16:40
so um I guess is the thought that that
16:43
price is stable at least for the
16:46
foreseeable future or is that
16:48
potentially going to
16:53
development so probably at least for a
16:55
few years I would assume okay off a
16:59
model it's done nationally this isn't
17:01
the first one so they've done a similar
17:04
amount and it's worked out pretty well
17:06
so yeah we're not looking to increase it
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got you all right thank you I one final
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question uh the vetting of residents
17:15
okay and I know they they're guess it's
17:16
supposed to be for homeless people who
17:18
are basically trying to fit their feet
17:20
get back on their feet what's going to
17:23
be your process for vetting the people
17:24
who are going to be applying for these
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okay thank you let's turn US Open for
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anybody in the audience to my right who
17:54
would like to speak on the
18:12
address my name is James
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Arthur I live at street
18:25
harris9 I'm an Bic and I ride my bicycle
18:30
all over Dolphin County and I looking
18:35
out for the safety of not only myself
18:37
but also my colleagues and friends and
18:40
Associates who also ride bicycles um and
18:44
what what I would like to say is just I
18:46
applaud the entities for collaborating
18:52
cooperating to work toward a reasonable
18:55
agreement for routing the green belt
18:58
that will will be both safe and promote
19:03
orientation so I want to thank you for
19:07
course I am looking towards
19:12
that cooperation and routing U Trail so
19:17
that we'll be able to ride safely
19:20
without R so thank you very much and I
19:23
appreciate all your efforts keep up the
19:25
great work thank you thank you for your
19:30
Casper on the left hand side so want
19:33
take a quick break are you
19:45
ready okay so I'd like to U make a
19:49
motion that board accepts the planning
19:53
bureau's uh Report with the exceptions
19:59
you right you make a motion to approve
20:01
application 2589 yes right with the
20:05
conditions stated in the Planning
20:08
Commission resolution you better corre
20:10
yes sir good okay thank you that's the
20:13
motion that's the motion so moved
20:17
questions okay for the vote all in favor
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I okay pass thank you thank you
20:30
another cases so I like PA motion to
20:47
you Pa now said n we got a big problem
20:53
Down's there's a fist figh these guys
20:56
are just won't give saying no
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reclaim that whole area the old
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sh yeah the only concern I have is it
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does who's the police guy on duty
