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Harrisburg City Council Legislative Session 3/10/2026

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1:59

Mhm.

3:42

>> Good evening. Thank you. That wasn't

3:44

free press. We had a group photo

3:46

scheduled prior to the start of our

3:48

legislative session.

3:50

We're going to conduct our legislative

3:52

caucus prior to calling our legislative

3:55

session to order. Mr. Truesdale will

3:58

lead our roll call. I will lead the

4:01

invocation this evening. The Pledge of

4:03

Allegiance will be led by Councilwoman

4:05

Davis.

4:06

For communications, we have a

4:08

presentation on the Downtown Improvement

4:11

District's annual St. Patrick's Day

4:13

Parade.

4:15

Mr. Todd Vander Woody, executive

4:17

director, and Sydney Musser, social

4:20

media and marketing specialist, will

4:22

lead that presentation.

4:24

Then we will open the floor for courtesy

4:26

of the floor, followed by the approval

4:28

of the minutes for the legislative

4:30

session that occurred on February 24th,

4:33

2026.

4:35

There are two committee reports that you

4:37

will hear this evening. I will deliver

4:39

the first report on behalf of the

4:41

administration committee on the work

4:43

session of March 3rd, 2026.

4:47

The next report will be delivered by our

4:50

Public Works Committee Chair, Councilman

4:52

Rodriguez, on the work session of March

4:55

3rd, 2026.

4:58

We do not have any ordinances for first

5:00

reading. There are three ordinances for

5:03

amendment, bill two of 2026, bill three

5:07

of 2026, and bill four of 2026.

5:15

There are three

5:18

ordinances for final passage, bill two

5:21

of 2026,

5:23

bill three of 2026,

5:26

and bill four of 2026.

5:29

We will then move to resolutions.

5:33

The first resolution for consideration

5:36

is resolution 10 of 2026, which we will

5:39

vote upon.

5:41

Resolution 11 of 2026,

5:44

which we we vote upon.

5:46

Resolution 12 of 2026,

5:49

which we will vote upon.

5:51

Resolution 13 of 2026, which we will

5:54

vote upon.

5:56

Resolution 14 of 2026,

5:59

which we will vote upon.

6:01

Resolution resolution 15 of 2026,

6:05

which we will vote upon.

6:09

Resolution 16 of 2026

6:12

will move to the administration

6:14

committee.

6:17

Resolution 17 of 2026,

6:21

we will vote upon this evening.

6:24

I will request a suspension of the rules

6:27

for discussion.

6:30

Resolution 18 of 2026

6:36

will move to the budget and finance

6:40

committee.

6:42

And then resolution 19 of 2026

6:47

will move to the administration

6:49

committee.

6:51

Is there any old business for

6:52

discussion, council members?

6:56

Seeing hearing none, any new business?

7:00

Seeing and hearing none, then we will

7:03

adjourn.

7:07

Okay, the time is 6:10 p.m. I'd like to

7:11

officially call our legislative session

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to order.

7:15

Mr. Chisolm, could you please call the

7:17

roll?

7:18

>> Ms. Davis.

7:20

>> Present.

7:21

>> Ms. Green.

7:22

>> Present.

7:23

>> Mr. Jones.

7:24

>> Here.

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>> Mr. Lawson.

7:27

>> Here.

7:27

>> Ms. Rose.

7:28

>> Present.

7:29

>> Mr. Rodriguez.

7:30

>> Present.

7:31

>> Ms. Hill.

7:32

>> Present.

7:41

>> I will lead the invocation this evening.

7:44

I would like to ask to please keep the

7:47

following residents, families, and

7:49

friends in your thoughts and prayers in

7:51

the coming weeks and months ahead.

7:53

Mr. Hazel McWhite received his formal

7:57

education in the Harrisburg School

7:58

District. He was a proud graduate of

8:01

William Penn High School. He was a

8:03

talented member of the track team.

8:05

He was later employed with Harrisburg

8:08

Public Transportation where he retired.

8:11

Ms. Linda Poteat, she was a loving

8:13

mother, grandmother, sister, aunt, and

8:16

friend.

8:18

Ms. Kay Smith, she received her formal

8:20

education in the Harrisburg School

8:22

District. She was a proud graduate of

8:24

Harrisburg High School. In her leisure,

8:26

she enjoyed watching classic television

8:29

shows. She will be remembered for her

8:31

loving heart, kind spirit, and generous

8:34

nature.

8:35

Reverend Dr. Calvin Edmond Sr. He was a

8:39

long-time city resident who began his

8:41

ministry at Macedonia Missionary Baptist

8:44

Church. He also held leadership and

8:46

administrative roles with the

8:48

Pennsylvania Department of Education and

8:51

the Pennsylvania Department of Health

8:52

where he retired in 1998.

8:55

In his leisure, he enjoyed traveling the

8:57

world including trips across North

9:00

America, Africa, Asia Minor,

9:03

Europe, Australia, and the Caribbean.

9:07

Pastor John Wesley Manigault,

9:09

affectionately known as JW, moved to

9:12

Harrisburg in 1965.

9:15

He established C&J Drywall with his

9:18

partner, Reverend Cleveland Martin. He

9:21

will be remembered for his stylish dress

9:24

and his smile which could brighten up

9:26

any room.

9:28

Ms. Robin Freeman, she received her

9:31

formal education in the Harrisburg

9:32

School District. She graduated from

9:34

Harrisburg High School where she

9:36

participated in JROTC

9:38

and she was a member of the basketball

9:40

team. She was employed by the Harrisburg

9:43

School District where she served as a

9:45

security officer. In her leisure, she

9:48

enjoyed arts and crafts.

9:50

And we will continue to keep the family

9:53

of Ms. Tierza Cameron, Deputy Solicitor,

9:56

in our thoughts and prayers in the

9:58

months and weeks ahead. If everyone

10:00

could please join me in a moment of

10:01

silence.

10:06

Thank you.

10:08

The Pledge of Allegiance will be led by

10:09

a Councilwoman Davis.

10:34

Thank you, Councilwoman Davis.

10:37

For communications this evening, we are

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joined by Mr. Todd Vander Woody,

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Executive Director, and Ms. Sydney

10:44

Musser, Social Media and Marketing

10:47

Specialist, with the Downtown

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Improvement District to discuss the

10:51

annual St. Patrick's Day Parade.

11:03

>> Well, good evening.

11:05

Again, I'm Todd Vander Woody, the

11:07

Executive Director for the Harrisburg

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Downtown Improvement District, and with

11:11

me I have Sydney Musser, who's our

11:12

Social Media and Marketing Specialist

11:15

and coordinator of the parade again this

11:17

year. And

11:19

thank you for the opportunity to be here

11:21

this evening.

11:22

We get to talk about the upcoming St.

11:24

Patrick's Day Parade, which is going to

11:27

be a week from Saturday,

11:29

uh uh, March 21st.

11:32

Uh the parade starts at 2:00 in the

11:35

afternoon. Um,

11:37

I'm going to talk a little, uh, Sydney's

11:39

going to talk about the parade. I'm

11:41

going to talk a little bit about the

11:42

activities running up to the parade. Um,

11:45

so with regards to the parade, um,

11:49

of course it's here in downtown. Uh,

11:51

we're going to line up the groups, um,

11:54

just like with the city's holiday

11:55

parade. We'll line up the groups,

11:58

uh, on City Island and the Market Street

12:00

Bridge. Um, they will go, uh, over the

12:04

Market Street Bridge, uh, traveling to

12:06

Second Street and turning left. And, uh,

12:10

the stage will be set up, uh, right out

12:13

front of the City Government Center

12:14

here,

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um,

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uh, for viewing. And, um,

12:19

so

12:20

the parade will continue on down Second

12:22

Street and then turn left up on North

12:25

Street up by the Y and then go to Front

12:28

Street and then back to the island.

12:31

Uh, again, a a map of the parade route,

12:34

um, and a list of the road closures,

12:35

Sydney's going to go over those here in

12:37

a little bit, um, but it can be found on

12:39

our parade website, which is

12:41

harrisburgstpatricksdayparade.com.

12:45

Uh, before the parade, uh, we have

12:48

another exciting event here for

12:49

downtown, very unique, uh, event. It's

12:53

the Lucky Charm 4-Mile Race. Um, a lot

12:56

of races in the area, of course, are

12:58

5K's, which is 3.1 miles, 10K's, 6.2

13:02

miles, of course half marathon,

13:04

marathon, all that stuff, but this is

13:05

something a little different. Uh, the

13:07

Lucky Charm, uh, 4-Mile Race,

13:10

um, which again, it kind of opens the

13:12

racing season, uh, here in the

13:14

Harrisburg area. The race will start at

13:17

noon and it's very unique in the effect

13:20

that

13:21

that it starts right at the stage, um,

13:25

right here in front of the City

13:26

Government

13:27

And they use the

13:29

uh, the route where they'll run up

13:30

Second Street right downtown here. Then

13:34

they'll eventually they'll cut over

13:36

to the Market Street Bridge, run around

13:38

City Island, come back into the city on

13:41

the Walnut Street Bridge, and then

13:43

finish right on the right in the stage

13:46

area again. So it starts and finishes

13:48

right at the at the parade stage. That's

13:50

very very unique. The runners absolutely

13:53

love it. running down Second Street

13:57

with the road closed. It's the same

13:58

closures as we use for the parade. So it

14:01

works out very well.

14:02

So each each runner that participates

14:05

will receive a medal and a customized

14:07

race t-shirt as well as a gift

14:10

certificate to Fleet Feet Mechanicsburg

14:13

who puts on the race for us. The race is

14:17

limited to 1,000 participants. And it

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fills up each and every year

14:24

with that. So

14:25

again, there'll be age group

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prizes

14:29

and awards presented.

14:32

And that'll be about 1:30. So as we're

14:34

present as the race finishes up, we'll

14:36

be setting up for the parade. But then

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we'll do awards at the stage about 1:30

14:41

or so leading off to the kickoff of the

14:44

parade. And I'll turn it over to Sydney

14:46

for that.

14:49

>> All right. My name is Sydney. I'm the

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parade organizer.

14:53

What a cool job this is. It's such a fun

14:55

event to plan and it brings a lot of

14:57

people downtown. And some of the groups

14:59

we have in the parade are just amazing.

15:01

It's really cool to see all the groups

15:03

across Pennsylvania in the community

15:04

that come to participate. So we

15:07

currently have over 60 groups

15:08

participating. So we anticipate the

15:10

parade to be about an hour in length.

15:13

It's perfect amount of time if you are

15:14

running in the race and you just want to

15:16

chill and watch the parade and then stay

15:18

after for some food. We have a lot of

15:21

our usual groups joining like the Blue

15:23

Moon Cruisers with a bunch of cool and

15:25

classical cars, the McGinley School of

15:28

Irish Dance,

15:29

uh, of course plenty of bagpipes. I'm

15:31

sure everybody loves hearing that. I

15:33

mean, you can't ignore it when it comes

15:35

echoing down Second Street. Um, so we

15:38

have Kilt Na Eve Pipe Band, Nittany

15:40

Highland Pipe Band. So, be sure to wear

15:42

your green and plenty of tartan.

15:44

Um, we have the Notre Dame Club of

15:46

Harrisburg, the Harrisburg Senators,

15:49

Perry County Old Iron Collectors, the

15:51

Steelton Highspire Marching Band, and

15:54

there are plenty of fire trucks from the

15:55

area, lots of departments that come to

15:57

participate. So, there is truly

15:59

something for everyone at the parade.

16:01

Um, and it's great for community groups

16:03

to get some visibility

16:05

and participate.

16:07

So,

16:08

um, that includes our sponsors and we

16:10

are very very fortunate to have so many

16:12

great community sponsors especially here

16:14

in downtown. Um, some of our sponsors

16:17

include Ace Distributing, Explore

16:19

Harrisburg, Cargill, Bourbon Street

16:22

Saloon, JB Love Drafts, Nocturnal, the

16:25

New Capital City Music Hall,

16:27

Sawyer's, Sheets, Zembie's, the PA

16:30

Sports Games and Capital Vending,

16:33

McGrath's Irish Pub, of course,

16:35

the Mad Moose, Sturges Speakeasy, and

16:38

Fleet Feet. Um, also of note, Todd had

16:41

mentioned that the, uh, Lucky Charm will

16:43

be occurring before the parade. There

16:45

will also be plenty of, uh, St. Patty's

16:47

themed, uh, parties after the parade um,

16:50

including at, um,

16:52

Nocturnal, at Sawyer's, at Bourbon

16:54

Street. Um, there will also be a Battle

16:57

of the Bands at Capital City Music Hall.

16:59

So, it is just going to be a great day

17:02

to be downtown. There's something going

17:03

on at all hours of the day. Um, so we

17:07

look forward to seeing the sea of green

17:08

downtown. Um, it's great to get everyone

17:11

together.

17:13

Sound will be provided by Ross

17:15

Productions, and

17:19

um the most exciting part of the parade,

17:21

of course, is the street closures.

17:23

Everybody wants to know when they can

17:24

get downtown and park.

17:26

So, um of note, street closures will be

17:28

from about 9:00 a.m. until 4:00 p.m. on

17:31

March 21st. Uh it's early due to the

17:33

Lucky Charm occurring just before the

17:35

race.

17:36

Uh the Market Street Bridge will close

17:38

at 11:00 a.m. until 4:00 p.m. So, um

17:42

anybody trying to enter for um runners

17:45

or race

17:46

parade participants will have to enter

17:48

um via the West Shore rather than

17:51

Harrisburg, since um streets will be

17:53

closed.

17:54

Um parking will be available at the

17:56

Market Square Garage at the corner of

17:58

Second and Chestnut with a special event

18:00

parking fee of $10.

18:03

Um all other information is available at

18:06

our website,

18:07

harrisburgstpatricksdayparade.com.

18:10

And we look forward to seeing everyone

18:11

downtown on Saturday.

18:15

>> Thank you very much.

18:16

>> Okay, any any questions for us?

18:19

>> I don't think so, but I will ask council

18:21

members, do you have any questions

18:23

regarding the upcoming Saint Patrick's

18:24

Day Parade?

18:26

>> Yes, President Hill, I have one

18:28

question.

18:28

>> Okay.

18:29

>> Will there be activities in Strawberry

18:31

Square as well this year?

18:34

>> Um

18:35

I don't believe so.

18:38

>> Thank you.

18:40

>> Are there any other questions?

18:43

Okay, seeing and hearing none, thank you

18:44

very much for joining us.

18:45

>> Thank you. We appreciate it.

18:49

>> We will move forward with our meeting

18:51

agenda. Next, we have courtesy of the

18:54

floor, just a few housekeeping notes

18:56

before we begin. If you're interested in

18:59

offering public comment, please state

19:01

your name and your address for the

19:03

meeting record. If you don't feel

19:04

comfortable sharing your address, please

19:06

share the vicinity in which you live

19:08

within the city. You will have 4 minutes

19:11

to share your comments. Mr. Truesdale

19:13

has added a timer to the screen for your

19:16

reference. I will begin to my right. Is

19:18

there anyone that would like to offer

19:20

public comment?

19:28

Is there anyone to my right that would

19:30

like to offer public comment?

19:34

Okay. Seeing and hearing no one.

19:37

Anyone in the middle section?

19:43

Is there somebody Is there anyone to my

19:46

right? We'll go back.

19:48

That would like to offer public comment.

19:51

If so, please kindly come to the

19:52

microphone and state your name and your

19:55

address for the meeting record. If you

19:57

don't feel comfortable sharing your

19:59

address, please share the vicinity in

20:00

which you live. Thank you.

20:03

>> First of all, I've been here before. My

20:04

name is Pete White. I've made myself

20:06

visible before.

20:07

I'm here today, basically, because I'm

20:10

totally disenfranchised with some of the

20:12

conduct of certain

20:14

council members.

20:16

We have a scenario here where we're

20:18

trying to organize and set up a

20:21

collection a collective activity for

20:23

leveling the economic playing field,

20:25

which I mentioned to you before the city

20:27

council was told to be missed.

20:29

Yet, I'm hearing in the streets from

20:32

other individuals, being a contractor,

20:34

that they've been discouraged by

20:37

a council person that was going on here

20:40

is irrelevant.

20:42

I find that heinous. I find that less to

20:45

conducive

20:48

of the encouragement and the transitions

20:50

of Harrisburg.

20:51

We have a female council member who's

20:54

officially made the news

20:57

for some very frivolous,

20:59

vindictive-sounding

21:02

clandestine arrangements of legality.

21:05

I think that's an embarrassment for

21:06

basically what your function should be

21:08

here.

21:09

Description of the job

21:12

indicates that there's an abject failure

21:14

of recognition of what City Council is

21:17

about.

21:20

You have to be aware of the fact that

21:22

you are supposed to be a vanguard for

21:25

this city, not a disruptor, not an

21:28

underminer,

21:29

but rather with all the issues we have

21:32

out here to address,

21:34

is more than enough time for real mental

21:36

capabilities to get into it. It makes me

21:39

question the competency of some of the

21:41

members here of the City Council to even

21:44

be on this job. Because as far as I'm

21:46

concerned, as far as the job description

21:48

goes, you've abjectly

21:51

made some failures.

21:54

I'm going to leave you with that thought

21:56

because

21:57

signature of a thousand people got you

22:00

on the ballot.

22:03

Another thousand

22:05

can remediate that.

22:09

Have a nice night.

22:11

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else to my

22:14

right that would like to offer public

22:16

comment? I don't want to miss anyone.

22:28

>> Hello everyone. Martin Gross with the

22:31

Art I Do Painting Company.

22:34

What I'd like to know,

22:35

by show of hands, who fear success?

22:42

I'm glad the council do not put their

22:43

hand up. You know why?

22:46

Because to achieve in Harrisburg,

22:49

you got to let the skin color represent

22:52

itself.

22:54

Right? Nobody's begging.

22:57

Nobody's pleading.

23:00

Years ago, they put something on our

23:02

backs

23:03

called us slaves.

23:08

So, can we render this?

23:10

An ability to let someone take control

23:14

without your arguing about it. Don't

23:16

argue.

23:18

Let the failure be in the hand of the

23:20

person who's willing to do it.

23:22

So, we look at

23:24

>> our mayor

23:26

>> We look at

23:28

Dana.

23:29

She wants to achieve something for y'all

23:31

to make y'all

23:33

Some people say, "Wow, Harrisburg.

23:37

They have achieved something

23:40

that a lot of Washington, D.C. is where

23:43

I'm from.

23:45

I have seen a lot of cruelty. I'm 71

23:49

years old.

23:51

A bullet in the head of every man that

23:54

spoke proud.

23:58

The dragging of a person in the street

24:02

because they only wanted to do

24:04

make a dollar to feed their family.

24:08

So, I'm asking y'all,

24:10

could you achieve something for us?

24:13

Cuz it's going to make y'all look good.

24:16

If you use one person

24:20

that should let you achieve something.

24:22

That's your mayor, Dana, and her

24:26

entourage of men

24:28

or contractors or women, too.

24:30

They want to achieve something.

24:33

But it's going to make y'all look good.

24:36

They're going to say, "Wow, that That's

24:38

not normal."

24:41

For the judge majority of people on the

24:44

council,

24:47

you are colored.

24:49

Very pretty skinned.

24:54

How about achieving something

24:58

that's not normal.

25:01

All the people around they got many

25:03

complaints.

25:05

They going to talk about what toilet to

25:07

flush

25:08

and what bacteria is to come out of them

25:11

bodies.

25:13

Don't make it a criminal. Don't make it

25:15

a charge.

25:16

Try yourself

25:19

to make one person achieve something

25:22

for y'all. It's going to make y'all look

25:24

good. Once it comes out, guess what?

25:27

They going to say y'all have done

25:29

something that have achieved.

25:32

I'm quite sure you have many paperworks

25:34

in front of you.

25:36

You know what's going on in Harrisburg.

25:41

The murders, the thievery, the lack of

25:45

ability to achieve.

25:48

They need y'all

25:50

to help them.

25:52

Period.

25:54

Thank you for hearing me.

25:56

>> Excuse me, Mr. Gross. I don't know if

25:58

you stated your address. I know you

26:00

stated your business.

26:02

>> Well, I'm from Washington, D.C.

26:04

>> Yes, I got that.

26:05

>> Okay. But, if I state my address, then I

26:08

almost feel like a slave. You know why?

26:10

>> Well, we need something to add to the

26:13

meeting record. So, you either need to

26:14

share your address or the vicinity in

26:16

which you live, one or the other.

26:18

>> Okay.

26:19

>> I live on the hill above the Reservoir

26:21

Park.

26:21

>> All right.

26:22

>> 2004 North Street.

26:24

>> Okay.

26:25

>> I'd love for y'all to come and have some

26:27

curry chicken and fried fish with me.

26:29

>> Oh, no, thank you, but thank you for

26:31

your address.

26:32

>> said no, thank you, but not everybody

26:34

else.

26:34

>> Okay.

26:34

>> No, thank you.

26:35

>> Is there anyone else? Is there anyone

26:38

else to my right that would like to

26:39

offer a public comment?

26:43

>> Good evening.

26:44

My name is Trish Robinson and I don't

26:47

live in the city, but I have a business

26:50

in the city. So, uh I want to bring some

26:52

positivity here. So, I want to thank

26:55

first of all thank city council for your

26:57

supporting evolve youth trades Academy.

27:00

Um the second thing I want to ask is

27:03

that

27:04

our students right now are working at

27:08

the old Polyclinic Hospital. They're

27:10

doing some renovation along with ECI and

27:13

another small contractor. What they have

27:17

asked me is for and city council any

27:21

city council member as well as the

27:23

Harrisburg school district as well as

27:25

some of the other schools Steelton

27:26

Highspire and Commonwealth Commonwealth

27:29

Charter Academy to be a part of a

27:32

to come out to see what the students are

27:34

doing and possibly take a picture with

27:36

them. So, I just wanted to make that

27:38

public. So, if anyone is interested,

27:41

please reach out to me and let me know

27:43

if you're interested in doing that.

27:45

That's it. Thank you.

27:46

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else to my

27:48

right that would like to offer public

27:51

comment?

27:53

Anyone else to my right?

27:57

Okay, seeing hearing no one anyone in

27:59

the middle section, please.

28:08

>> Good evening city council. My name is

28:10

Wendy Shaver. I'm the co-director of

28:13

Power to the Hill. We're located at 124

28:15

South 13th Street in the heart of

28:17

Allison Hill.

28:19

We are a voter engagement group working

28:21

to improve voter turnout in the Allison

28:24

Hill area as well as facilitate

28:27

community action projects to connect the

28:30

importance of voting with positive

28:32

community action.

28:33

We are currently as I have shared here

28:36

before working on a community action

28:38

project that the neighborhood voted on

28:41

to increase

28:42

youth programming in the neighborhood.

28:44

Since the last meeting where I had

28:47

spoken and said we wanted to meet with

28:49

the director of Parks and Rec, Mr. Kevin

28:51

Sanders, and my co-director and I, Ms.

28:53

Lita Beam, had that meeting and he had

28:55

all of the staff of the Parks and Rec

28:57

there, so thank you for that. And

28:59

Councilman Rodriguez came to our kickoff

29:01

meeting and shared the great work that

29:03

he is doing with youth programming and

29:05

gave us some inspiration, so thank you

29:07

for that. We learned about the summer

29:09

playground programs that are happening

29:11

at two parks in the Hill at Vernon

29:12

Street Park and Reservoir Park, which

29:15

are both wonderful programs, and the

29:17

people at Parks and Rec are doing a good

29:20

good program there.

29:22

This is Emily DeFebo, another volunteer

29:24

of Power to the Hill, and she was a part

29:26

of the discussion group, specifically

29:29

talking to community members about their

29:31

wants and needs for youth programming in

29:32

the Hill, so I want her to share a

29:35

little bit more about what the people of

29:36

the Hill would like to see to make their

29:38

lives better for their children beyond

29:40

the summer

29:42

programs at the parks.

29:44

>> Thank you, Wendy. Again, I'm Emily

29:46

DeFebo. I actually live in Hershey, uh

29:48

but I do volunteer with Power to the

29:50

Hill, so I'm down in Allison Hill pretty

29:52

frequently.

29:53

Um with our volunteer group, we

29:55

literally knock on doors up and down the

29:57

streets in Allison Hill, and I've gotten

29:59

to know the beautiful children of the

30:01

Allison Hill neighborhood. Just the

30:04

sweetest group of kids you could ever

30:05

want to meet. Um getting to know them,

30:08

getting to know their parents, uh we

30:10

have discovered that the parents are in

30:13

a position that doesn't surprise anyone

30:15

with their employment. They are they

30:19

have to choose between

30:21

transporting themselves to work or being

30:23

home with their children. And this isn't

30:26

a situation that anyone wants to be in.

30:28

So, we know that at Scott School, there

30:30

is currently not a good solid

30:33

after-school care program for the

30:35

parents of the children in the

30:37

neighborhood that attend that school.

30:39

So, we would like to do everything in

30:40

our power with your collaboration to

30:42

provide a safe educational

30:46

place for these children to be while

30:47

their parents are at work. I recognize

30:51

almost every face up here. You guys have

30:53

come down, rolled up your sleeves,

30:54

knocked on doors, chatted with neighbors

30:57

a light along with us. So, I know that

30:58

you've spoken to the same mothers,

31:01

fathers, children, and child care

31:03

workers that I had the opportunity to

31:05

speak with and I know that all of your

31:07

hearts agree with this mission. So, we

31:09

just wanted to keep our name and our

31:12

faces in front of you so that once we

31:14

have things more finalized, everyone

31:15

knows everyone and we can um make this

31:18

program for the adorable kids that we

31:21

have in Allison Hill.

31:23

Thank you.

31:24

>> Thank you.

31:27

Is there anyone else in the middle

31:29

section that would like to offer public

31:31

comment?

31:40

>> Hello, everybody.

31:42

My name is Arthur Jefferson. I own South

31:45

Central PA Restoration and I'm the

31:48

founder of Big Us Work Based Training, a

31:50

nonprofit organization.

31:53

Uh I live at 1952 Manada Street,

31:56

Harrisburg,

31:57

17104.

32:00

And my purpose of being up here is to

32:02

speak on the positions of Dina and Ms.

32:06

Gloria Martin Roberts. I want to say

32:08

that um even though they serve two

32:10

different positions,

32:12

I kind of feel like they're the same

32:13

with bringing

32:15

uh

32:16

us contractors

32:18

from Harrisburg

32:20

up, helping us get better positions. I

32:22

know Ms. Gloria Martin Roberts, she

32:24

stood on the line for me a couple times

32:26

when I

32:27

was trying to join a program and working

32:29

within the program and messed up a few

32:32

times and she brought it to my attention

32:34

as well as help me get better. So, I

32:37

want to say that not only do they um

32:41

help me, but they help us as a unit

32:43

because there's not too many people that

32:46

can represent the city of Harrisburg,

32:48

the contractors within the city of

32:50

Harrisburg, and try to put us in

32:52

positions to where we can get better

32:54

employment um to feed our families. So,

32:57

I just wanted to put that out there, and

32:58

I thank you guys for your time.

33:01

>> Thank you.

33:03

Is there anyone else in the middle

33:04

section that would like to offer public

33:06

comment?

33:09

>> How you doing, city council? My name is

33:10

Robert Welden. Y'all know me, 1210

33:12

Market Street.

33:14

Um

33:15

it is very difficult because now they

33:17

are trying to come in and wrap it. Now,

33:19

wrapping is only temporary. Now, I'm

33:21

going to say this once again. When they

33:23

go and wrap it, all they're going to do

33:24

is just wrap it and leave it.

33:26

So, HPMG, Harrisburg Property Management

33:28

Group, is not going to do anything of

33:30

remediation.

33:32

So, now

33:33

what they're going to incur is basically

33:35

black mold

33:37

an incubator.

33:39

That is going to have the whole entire

33:40

building

33:42

get condemned.

33:44

Now, I'm going to say this to your legal

33:45

guy.

33:48

I read the same law books you do.

33:52

Okay? I read it a fifth-year college

33:54

level. I read that at sixth grade.

33:57

So, don't sit there and ever tell me

33:58

that what I have cannot be filed in

34:01

under criminal.

34:02

I am trying to pursue manslaughter

34:04

charges for me and my fiance

34:07

who died in 2013 because

34:10

of City Limits Realty.

34:13

I know the difference between civil and

34:14

criminal, and what I am pursuing is

34:16

criminal. Don't ever sit there and tell

34:18

me like you did on Thursday what you

34:20

told me. That's a lie.

34:22

Thank you.

34:26

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else in the

34:28

middle section that would like to offer

34:29

public comment?

34:31

>> Can I add something?

34:33

And one more thing, you told me this.

34:37

It is not the choice of a codes officer

34:39

to make that choice of him whether or

34:41

not to report asbestos or not. He is

34:44

bound by federal code to report

34:46

asbestos. You told me it was his choice.

34:51

>> Thank you.

34:53

Anyone else?

34:54

>> Good evening, city council. Kia Fowler,

34:56

North 5th Street.

34:58

Um and I read for resolution

35:01

set

35:02

19, sorry, resolution 19 um appointing

35:05

Ms. Katherine O'Flaherty to serve on the

35:07

Harrisburg Architectural Review Board of

35:09

the City of Harrisburg. My understanding

35:11

is that individuals nominated to this

35:13

board of the four non-real estate,

35:15

non-architects, they must have both a

35:18

knowledge of historical preservation and

35:20

interest in historical preservation and

35:21

must live within a historical purview of

35:23

the city or historical overview

35:24

neighborhood.

35:26

That Oh, pardon me, that specific

35:27

neighborhood. Um after um reviewing Ms.

35:30

Flaherty's resume, I see only a

35:32

financial background, no background in

35:34

um history or architecture, art history.

35:37

Um I fully believe that she's very

35:39

passionate about the preserving the

35:40

character of the neighborhood, but I

35:42

would just like to know how her

35:43

qualifications fit within knowledge of

35:45

historical preservation.

35:47

Um second, um for those I'm sure a lot

35:49

of us are aware of the civil litigation

35:52

that was filed on Friday. Um

35:55

I don't like to really discuss this

35:56

right now because the law will be what

35:58

the law will be. That being said, the

36:00

way it's being portrayed in the news, I

36:02

am disappointed in the mayor in Mayor

36:04

Williams for some of the comments that

36:06

she's made. Um whether it was intended

36:08

or not, whether she or her office

36:10

drafted the statement to say that she

36:12

believed that keeping the interim head

36:13

of department was a grandfather policy,

36:16

at least to me portrays kind of

36:17

backhanded um a backhanded move. I'm not

36:20

saying it was intentional, but I'm just

36:22

saying that that's how it was come

36:23

across to me a resident living here.

36:25

Um

36:26

not a whole lot of contentious things

36:27

going on tonight, so thank you for your

36:29

time.

36:31

>> Thank you.

36:32

Is there anyone else in the middle

36:34

section that would like to offer public

36:35

comment?

36:37

>> Good evening, Steven Gristle. I live on

36:39

Boas Street. I have been

36:42

born in the Harrisburg Hospital, raised

36:44

in the city, living here for decades.

36:47

And it's concerning a resolution

36:51

that you had passed two Tuesdays ago,

36:54

unanimously.

36:55

And that is that the

36:57

city

36:59

uh will not

37:01

work, that is along with the

37:05

Immigration and Customs Enforcement

37:07

officers

37:09

concerning illegal immigrants.

37:12

First of all, let me say this.

37:15

And being an inner-city minister for a

37:17

number of years,

37:19

and over to Holmes, a young black man

37:21

was shot.

37:23

I stopped my car and pulled to the side

37:25

of the road.

37:27

He was shot three times in the back.

37:30

As a minister, I knew enough to pray for

37:32

him. I told him to call on Jesus, cuz I

37:34

knew he didn't have long to live.

37:37

And sadly, he did not live.

37:40

So, I have ministered to people. They

37:42

call me they called me the white man

37:44

with the brown heart.

37:46

Hall Manor, over to Holmes,

37:49

I went to places that most people would

37:52

not go.

37:53

Latinos,

37:55

all of them, ministering to them.

37:59

The city of Harrisburg, it has had a lot

38:01

of crime over the years, as we know.

38:03

Thankfully, it's going down.

38:05

But,

38:07

there was between 10 to 15 million

38:12

illegal, unvetted immigrants that came

38:15

across our borders.

38:16

Are you aware that 1 and 1/2 million of

38:19

them

38:20

are being absolutely officially

38:23

documented to be deported by judges.

38:27

They're roaming all throughout America.

38:30

If you think for a moment there's no

38:33

criminals in this city that crossed the

38:35

border, you're fooling nobody but

38:37

yourself.

38:38

You want to keep the city safe?

38:42

Then you need to work with them to get

38:44

these We're talking people that are

38:46

rapist,

38:47

pedophiles,

38:48

human trafficking.

38:51

And I

38:51

I could go on.

38:53

I could go on and on and on.

38:56

But if you truly want to keep And not to

38:59

mention the burden that it puts on city

39:01

taxpayers. How would you feel

39:03

if you got a bill in the mail

39:05

and you found out that you're paying

39:06

your neighbor's

39:08

electrical bill? You say, "There's a

39:10

mistake here."

39:12

Well, that's what we're doing. We're

39:13

paying somebody else's bill on our

39:15

backs.

39:16

I had a bill Excuse me, I got the floor.

39:19

Thank you.

39:21

Thank you.

39:23

So, I got I got the floor. Thank you.

39:26

So, the point is there is a burden put

39:29

on the legal citizens.

39:32

I've been paying taxes over 50 years.

39:35

And so, but there's a lot that do not.

39:37

Thank you. Stop interrupting. Excuse me,

39:39

please refrain and allow him to conclude

39:42

his comments. He has less than a minute

39:44

to go. I know and I may take back some

39:46

time from being interrupted. Thank you.

39:50

>> So, the point of it is is that there are

39:54

We We've seen it. We've had five four

39:56

Amish men slaughtered on a highway in

39:58

Pennsylvania by an illegal

40:01

immigrant. The guy that should have

40:03

never had a license.

40:05

How many more

40:07

people

40:08

have to die

40:10

here in Pennsylvania, in this city of

40:12

Harrisburg till we wake up

40:16

and work with those that want to get rid

40:18

of the criminals. You know what?

40:19

Everybody, it's interesting that nobody

40:21

wants to really get involved with that

40:23

until you find out, "Oh,

40:25

my son,

40:26

my daughter was molested by an illegal

40:29

immigrant." Then all of a sudden you get

40:30

involved. Why is it that it would be

40:33

only your own family and not others?

40:37

And that's been proven.

40:38

That's been proven.

40:40

>> Thank you for your comments. Your time

40:42

is up.

40:42

>> Thank you.

40:43

>> Is there anyone else in the middle

40:44

section who would like to offer public

40:47

comment?

40:57

>> Good evening. My name is Melanie Cook. I

41:00

live in the 3000 block of North 3rd

41:02

Street in the city of Harrisburg. First,

41:04

I would like to acknowledge the law

41:06

enforcement officers that are here in

41:08

the room. Both President and the Vice

41:11

President of City Council know I reached

41:13

out earlier this week to request some

41:15

type of security for city council

41:18

meetings. And given what has occurred in

41:21

the city of New York and in other

41:23

places, I think it is imperative that we

41:26

have protection at all times at these

41:29

events. So, I do want to acknowledge and

41:31

thank those who have uh arranged for the

41:34

Harrisburg police officers to be

41:36

present. Also, I want to note for the

41:38

record that no one's heart is black,

41:41

white, green, brown, or purple. Our

41:43

hearts are all the same. It is how we

41:46

approach humans that we come in contact

41:48

with. And if you were raped, murdered by

41:51

someone who was born in the United

41:53

States, you were no less victimized or

41:56

dead. The city of Harrisburg, you have

41:59

led by

42:01

example and with true leadership. You

42:04

have been elected to put forward the

42:07

wishes of those people who reside in the

42:09

city of Harrisburg. We are a population

42:12

of black and brown people, some of whom

42:15

are here in an undocumented status. But

42:17

those of us who live and work and have

42:20

friendships with people of all different

42:22

backgrounds know how hard people work to

42:25

be here, to get here, and to stay here.

42:28

As I have said before, in 1980 when I

42:31

was in college, I served on a

42:34

on a congressional committee in

42:36

Washington, D.C. for immigration and

42:39

refugee policy. This country has not

42:42

moved forward 2 in

42:44

to make it easier for people to legally

42:47

come into this country and we should be

42:49

doing that and we begin locally to see

42:53

that that takes place. I also want to

42:55

note for the record that there are 1,372

43:00

properties that are fully tax exempt in

43:02

the city of Harrisburg. That is a total

43:05

of 1 billion 557

43:09

million 552,730

43:14

total exempt excess value dollars. When

43:18

people talk about the city of

43:19

Harrisburg, our government and our

43:22

school district being unable to meet our

43:24

needs, 1 billion 557

43:28

million dollars worth of property is

43:31

totally tax exempt.

43:34

Let that figure sink in.

43:37

So those who want to say, and it is

43:39

true, it is an absolute crime that only

43:42

12% of the students theoretically tested

43:45

in the city of Harrisburg are proficient

43:47

in reading, 3% proficient in science,

43:51

and 2% proficient in math, but yet we

43:54

are still graduating 62% of the

43:57

students. So please make that math make

43:59

sense.

44:01

We have to work as a city,

44:04

as a city government and as a school

44:07

district.

44:09

Apparently,

44:10

both the city and the school district

44:13

will not be let out of

44:16

government federal or I'm sorry, state

44:18

oversight until both are on some even

44:21

keel. We need to say to our governor,

44:24

you walk the streets on behalf of

44:27

businesses in a corridor in downtown.

44:31

How many of our schools have you entered

44:33

into? When Bernie Sanders was here, he

44:36

made a point of stopping and speaking

44:39

with a group of Harrisburg City School

44:41

students. How many have been invited to

44:43

the governor's office to talk to him?

44:47

It is not enough for people to criticize

44:50

this city when state government

44:53

frequently is standing on our throats

44:56

and preventing us from moving forward.

44:58

So, I say to you who are lobbying to do

45:01

the right thing, thank you.

45:08

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else in the

45:10

middle section that would like to offer

45:12

public comment?

45:14

Okay, seeing and hearing no one, anyone

45:16

to my left?

45:19

>> Good evening, city council. My name is

45:21

Tameka Moore. I live in Allison Hill

45:23

area of Harrisburg.

45:26

I come again before you to express

45:29

um

45:30

the situation that happened to me

45:32

several um years ago in reference to

45:35

Gloria Martin Roberts um grabbing me,

45:38

physically assaulting me while on the

45:39

job. I worked under her um for a little

45:43

bit of time. It was about 3 months. Um

45:45

she caused a very hostile work

45:47

environment. We really didn't get too

45:49

much work done. A lot of talking, a lot

45:51

of eating, a lot of going out on city

45:53

time and shopping and doing things. So,

45:57

I wore my shirt on purpose. No. City

46:00

Council, I beg you. Do not vote her back

46:03

into that position. Thank you.

46:08

>> Thank you.

46:09

Is there anyone else to my left that

46:12

would like to offer public comment?

46:23

>> Good evening, um, council members.

46:25

Robert Williams.

46:26

1630 North 5th Street, Harrisburg, PA.

46:30

I don't know if these people that spoke

46:32

in the mayor's favor is on her payroll

46:34

or not, but they're

46:35

not educated. The mayor has been in

46:38

office for over 4 years, got $47 million

46:41

in ARPA funds, $13 million for the

46:45

playground that hasn't been done, had

46:47

numerous extensions for this playground.

46:50

This thing the last extension is up this

46:53

March. This was extension since the

46:56

2023.

46:57

She had this $47 million the whole time

47:00

she's been in office.

47:02

$8 million affordable housing fund

47:04

didn't come about until August of 2025.

47:07

She had that money when she stepped foot

47:09

in office. I met with City Council in

47:11

2023. I made my own affordable housing

47:14

plan, my own economic development plan,

47:17

a civilianization plan for the

47:19

30-something officers that were short,

47:22

but we have officers here today even

47:24

though we're short of officers. I've

47:26

done a lot for free.

47:28

For free.

47:30

And this $8 million affordable housing

47:33

plan that it took 4 years to come up

47:35

with,

47:36

is not unlawful.

47:37

Her own NOFO, which is notice of

47:40

opportunity of funding, notice

47:43

notice of funding opportunity, is

47:45

unlawful. She said she would have three

47:47

people on the committee. It was only

47:48

two, so it's unlawful. How can three

47:51

people score something independently

47:54

when one person is a tie to the ICA,

47:56

Duck Hill. It's not independent. It's

48:00

unlawful and unethical. And the mayor

48:03

has a problem with following the laws.

48:05

Didn't follow the citizens complaint

48:07

ordinance, which many people I've

48:09

brought in here that that ordinance has

48:11

been violated. Didn't follow the title

48:14

two ordinance with Gloria Martin

48:16

Roberts. 120 days. No, you try to skate

48:19

around the law. She wants her in there

48:21

for a reason. She didn't bring you in

48:23

She didn't bring her in front of you for

48:24

a reason. For a reason. She didn't want

48:28

Cleac for a reason. The reason is she

48:31

doesn't want people in office that's

48:32

going to be accountable. When someone

48:34

holds her accountable, they get fired.

48:36

Nate Spriggs, fired. Jonathan, fired.

48:39

Anyone that holds her accountable,

48:40

they're fired.

48:45

Four years she was in office, no major

48:48

problems have been solved. Governor's

48:49

Square, still an issue. Broad Street

48:51

Market, still an issue. Every major

48:53

thing that has been an issue was still

48:55

an issue. Nothing has been solved. The

48:57

problem I have with you guys is that you

49:00

have been bending over to accommodate

49:02

her too much. She brought the She

49:04

brought in front of you the market the

49:06

Broad Street Market financing. You

49:08

should have voted against it. It was too

49:10

soon, too rushed, and it was too much

49:12

money. 48% of the reserve left went to

49:16

this and you rushed it in for a

49:18

resolution and money was reallocated

49:21

over a million dollars.

49:23

That was reallocated through a

49:24

resolution and the law said it has to be

49:26

done in an ordinance. This

49:28

This solicitor, I agree, does not know

49:30

the law. He's told me plenty of times

49:32

things that's not lawful.

49:36

Plenty things.

49:38

So, we'll be in court. Like I told

49:39

myself, I wasn't going to come in here

49:40

no more. I'll see y'all in court.

49:42

Because these already He has no problem

49:43

wasting court wasting the taxpayers'

49:46

money going to court for things that you

49:47

know that you can't win. Already wasted

49:50

our money for this first thing. That's

49:51

why we're here right now because these

49:54

things should have been solved with a

49:55

ordinance or with Grover saying file a

49:59

quo warranto with the AG or the district

50:02

attorney's office. We wouldn't have had

50:04

to spend money for this. That would have

50:05

been county that would have solved this.

50:08

We're here after spending money. We're

50:10

still here the same place for the same

50:12

woman has been in office for almost 2

50:14

years past the time she has allowed

50:17

under the law. Please do not allow this

50:20

administration to keep breaking a dag on

50:22

law. Thanks for allowing me to share.

50:31

>> Is there anyone else to my left that

50:34

would like to offer public comment?

50:45

>> Good evening, Council. Carrie Fowler. I

50:47

live in Midtown.

50:48

I'm here tonight to urge you to vote no

50:50

on the appointment of Gloria

50:51

Martin-Roberts as director of building

50:53

and housing development.

50:55

This department oversees housing

50:57

programs, federal HUD compliance,

50:59

development projects, and millions of

51:02

dollars in public funding meant to

51:03

support Harrisburg residents and

51:05

strengthen our neighborhoods.

51:07

This role requires deep knowledge of

51:10

housing policy,

51:12

federal programs, and economic

51:14

development strategy.

51:16

Ms. Martin-Roberts' professional

51:18

background is primarily in healthcare

51:21

administration,

51:23

not housing policy, HUD programs, or

51:26

municipal economic development. These

51:28

are specialized areas that require

51:31

experience and expertise to manage

51:34

effectively.

51:35

Even more troubling is the fact that

51:37

approximately 5 million in COVID

51:39

recovery funding has remained remained

51:42

tied up in the department for nearly 2

51:44

years.

51:45

These funds were meant to help residents

51:47

recover from the pandemic, support

51:49

housing initiatives, initiatives, and

51:51

stabilize neighborhoods. Instead, they

51:54

have remained stalled while community

51:56

organizations and residents wait for

51:59

resources that should already be working

52:01

in our neighborhoods.

52:03

The explanation we continue to hear from

52:06

this office is that these problems were

52:09

inherited.

52:11

At that point at this point that excuse

52:13

has run its course.

52:14

Leadership is not about explaining

52:16

problems, it's solving them.

52:19

There have been also widely reported

52:21

concerns, which we also heard tonight

52:23

from an individual who work within the

52:25

department that Ms. Martin-Roberts

52:27

spends more time tending to personal

52:30

matters than carrying out the

52:32

responsibilities of the office.

52:34

When these kinds of concerns are

52:36

consistently raised by agencies and

52:39

partners working with the city, they

52:42

should not be ignored.

52:44

And I would like to ask the council this

52:47

a direct question.

52:48

What are the qualifications that make

52:51

her the right person for this job?

52:54

What measurable results or

52:56

accomplishments can you point to that

52:59

demonstrate that she is prepared to lead

53:03

the department?

53:04

If there are facts that justify this

53:06

appointment, the public, the city of

53:09

Harrisburg, the residents, the taxpayers

53:13

deserve to hear them.

53:15

Let's also call this what it appears to

53:18

many residents, a political favor from

53:21

the mayor rather than a merit-based

53:23

appointment.

53:25

That perception alone undermines public

53:27

confidence in city government.

53:30

Harrisburg is facing serious housing and

53:32

development challenges. The city needs a

53:35

leader who understands HUD programs,

53:38

knows how to move funding efficiently,

53:41

and has the experience to deliver

53:43

results for the residents.

53:46

For the first time in a long time, this

53:49

council is legislating effectively and

53:53

showing real independence in its

53:55

decision-making.

53:57

Let's keep it that way.

54:00

Harrisburg residents are watching and

54:03

counting on you to continue making

54:05

decisions based on what is best for us,

54:09

the city, the taxpayers, the residents,

54:12

the voters, not political convenience.

54:16

For the sake of accountability and the

54:18

residents who depend on these programs,

54:21

I strongly urge you to vote no on this

54:24

appointment and reopen the search for a

54:27

qualified candidate. Thank you.

54:35

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else to my

54:37

left that would like to offer public

54:39

comment?

54:43

Okay, seeing and hearing Oh, okay. Go

54:45

ahead.

54:51

>> Hello everyone. My name is Joel Castro.

54:53

I'm by Market Street and 18th.

54:56

So,

54:57

um there's a lot of violence near where

54:58

I live.

55:00

Um

55:01

Yeah, like

55:02

a few months ago there was some guy with

55:03

like a submachine gun like shooting

55:05

outside of my window. I thought he was

55:06

shooting at the house, I couldn't tell.

55:07

But um they were shooting at each other.

55:09

Um

55:11

So,

55:12

yeah, there's um there's an issue with

55:13

dialogue. I think people don't know how

55:15

to de-escalate, people don't know how to

55:16

communicate, and as a result, that

55:18

spills over to the people, you know, who

55:20

are in the surrounding areas.

55:22

Um so basically, I'm a software

55:23

developer. Um

55:25

I want to offer what I created. It's a

55:28

website. Um if any of you are interested

55:30

in taking a look, it's onewmind.life.

55:33

It gets uh any group of people to

55:35

anonymously come to consensus.

55:37

So, yeah, please check that out. And

55:40

basically, one mind.life, o n e m i n

55:44

d.life.

55:46

So, basically, just

55:48

um

55:49

yeah, take a look at that and I don't

55:51

know.

55:53

If you're interested, let me know. Thank

55:54

you.

55:55

>> Thank you.

55:58

I'll ask again, is there anyone to my

56:00

left that would like to offer public

56:02

comment?

56:05

No one?

56:08

Is there anyone else in general

56:09

throughout the room that would like to

56:11

offer public comment?

56:23

>> Hello, city of Harrisburg. My name is

56:25

Malika.

56:27

Um I'm not giving my address. I live

56:29

downtown. I stay down here in this area.

56:33

And

56:35

my concern

56:37

is

56:39

all the corruption

56:42

here,

56:43

state,

56:45

federal,

56:46

Supreme Court,

56:48

FICO fraud,

56:50

human trafficking,

56:53

tunnels in the schools.

56:55

They are funded

56:57

by bonds and securities.

57:00

And

57:01

our children

57:03

uh

57:05

460,000

57:08

of our children in the United States of

57:10

America are missing

57:12

and have been exploited

57:15

from this land

57:17

international

57:18

and global.

57:20

I'm asking the city of Harrisburg to

57:22

help me promote uh human rights so it

57:26

can actually

57:28

be put to a stop with me.

57:30

Uh

57:32

and to deal with

57:34

the children and their safety in the

57:36

schools because there's tunnels

57:38

in every school in all 52 states.

57:43

And

57:44

it's supposed to stop with those who are

57:46

in power. So, I want to address

57:50

calling on the city of Harrisburg for

57:52

our children.

57:53

Uh and what is being done and do you

57:56

guys know about the

57:59

uh trafficking tunnels in our schools in

58:02

this state and every other state and why

58:06

is it human rights

58:08

uh being taught?

58:10

Um and why is the safety of our children

58:14

not being addressed? Um is it being

58:16

covered up?

58:17

Um there was a young lady that came

58:19

here. And she was raped in the school.

58:22

Nothing was done. The child was not

58:24

removed.

58:26

Um and they cried out to me because they

58:28

felt like

58:30

no one is like really fighting for them.

58:33

She yelled at the principal.

58:36

And

58:38

the school was shut down because these

58:39

children felt like

58:42

why is those who are in power not

58:44

addressing these things?

58:46

Me as a parent, me living on this planet

58:50

for 42 years knowing what I've lived and

58:53

seen and know our history, I'm not going

58:54

to get into that.

58:56

I'm standing up for the children and

58:58

calling on the city of Harrisburg

59:00

city, state, and federal

59:03

um on teaching human rights

59:06

and um dealing with officers cuz I'm

59:09

going to be coming here. I spoke to the

59:10

uh chief of police.

59:12

Um from here, I talked to the principals

59:15

at the schools on our children and want

59:19

to know why is people in power not

59:22

addressing these issues. And why is our

59:24

children

59:26

crying out to me at Casa feeling like

59:28

nobody is doing anything.

59:32

Um there's Epstein files

59:34

and them children are concerned um about

59:38

their future.

59:39

I'm stepping in because it's going to

59:41

stop with me and I don't want to go any

59:43

further, but I'm asking can I connect

59:46

with anybody in here? Can you go to

59:48

humanrights.com and can we get this talk

59:50

started here working state federal to

59:54

stop human trafficking and deal with the

59:57

safety of our children?

1:00:01

I'm not pointing fingers. I'm talking

1:00:02

about our children.

1:00:04

Um can I get with

1:00:06

can anybody go to humanrights.com

1:00:09

and can I

1:00:11

and this little girl start this here um

1:00:15

because you guys are in power. I'm not

1:00:16

pointing fingers because I don't know

1:00:18

what's going on. I'm just talking about

1:00:20

can we can I start here with you guys

1:00:23

that we can teach human rights and I'm

1:00:27

going to be also talking to the chief of

1:00:28

police about it because he uh said that

1:00:30

I can call him and just go from there

1:00:33

because I want to be a hero to the

1:00:35

children.

1:00:36

>> Do you mind waiting until after our

1:00:37

meeting to speak with our public safety

1:00:39

committee chair Councilwoman Green?

1:00:41

>> Okay. Thank you.

1:00:42

>> Thank you. Thank you guys.

1:00:45

>> Is there anyone else that would like to

1:00:46

offer public comment? I don't want to

1:00:48

miss anyone.

1:00:49

>> Yes.

1:00:50

My name is Kelly Summerford. I'm 1937

1:00:53

Market Street have no problem not

1:00:55

letting anybody know where I live and I

1:00:58

didn't come here today to say anything

1:01:01

to council. In fact, I haven't been here

1:01:03

since I sat up there.

1:01:05

And it's very important to me to express

1:01:09

something today because I heard a very

1:01:12

good friend of mine's character being

1:01:14

attacked. Now I don't think any of you

1:01:18

or

1:01:20

the administration

1:01:21

thinks any of that is positive.

1:01:24

Now, I've worked with Gloria Martin

1:01:27

Roberts, and she sat up there as well.

1:01:30

So, anything that that one individual

1:01:34

said,

1:01:36

"Hire somebody who knows how to do that

1:01:39

work." She sat up there, and if she's if

1:01:43

she wasn't qualified, then I am really

1:01:46

questioning this whole thing.

1:01:48

I seriously have a problem with

1:01:50

attacking people's character. I don't

1:01:52

come down here. I don't give any press

1:01:55

conferences, and I I could,

1:01:58

but I don't because I believe you guys

1:02:01

can handle your own business.

1:02:03

But that attacking

1:02:05

people

1:02:07

is not right.

1:02:09

All of the individuals in here

1:02:13

have a past.

1:02:15

Understand.

1:02:17

No one is perfect.

1:02:22

It is it is Well, I mean, bring it. I

1:02:25

don't care. That is not why I'm here. I

1:02:28

am here to give something positive. But

1:02:30

when I hear my friend being attacked,

1:02:32

her character?

1:02:36

Her character?

1:02:39

Her character?

1:02:41

>> Okay, you have 2 minutes and 10 seconds.

1:02:44

>> but again, you know, people are talking

1:02:47

from the audience. That means nothing to

1:02:48

me.

1:02:50

I know her to have good character. I

1:02:53

know her to do her job very well.

1:02:57

And all you have to do is research. And

1:02:59

you are right. She has a lot of

1:03:00

background in health, but she also had a

1:03:03

lot of background doing this.

1:03:07

It is important that we we treat people

1:03:10

respectful.

1:03:12

Treat people respectfully.

1:03:17

If you have something that's serious,

1:03:20

bring it out.

1:03:21

But, when you're attacking people's

1:03:22

character, that is not clear. And trust

1:03:25

me,

1:03:26

we will not

1:03:28

history will not be kind to none of

1:03:30

this.

1:03:32

I am a historian,

1:03:34

and I understand history. There are only

1:03:38

50 cities like this.

1:03:41

Okay?

1:03:42

48 on the mainland.

1:03:46

Let's not be the one

1:03:48

who tears down people just because you

1:03:51

don't like them.

1:03:52

Let's not be the one who says

1:03:56

people's character is bad cuz you don't

1:03:58

like them.

1:04:00

You all have a job.

1:04:01

Please do it, and I had that job. So,

1:04:04

it's I'm I'm not talking about something

1:04:07

I don't know about.

1:04:09

Please, just be respectful. Don't tear

1:04:12

anyone down.

1:04:18

>> Thank you.

1:04:19

Is there anyone else that would like to

1:04:21

offer public comment before we move on

1:04:24

with our meeting agenda?

1:04:26

Excuse me, you've already had an

1:04:27

opportunity to offer comments.

1:04:30

No, there were two other people that

1:04:32

were coming up that already

1:04:38

>> Good evening, honorable council. My name

1:04:40

is Ronald Chapel. I live on Brookwood

1:04:41

Street on the hill in Harrisburg.

1:04:44

And all I what want to do was ask a

1:04:46

question. Now, there's been many things

1:04:49

said, many accusations made against Ms.

1:04:52

Gloria Martin Roberts.

1:04:53

And before a subsequent vote is taken,

1:04:55

I'm just wondering, will she have the

1:04:57

opportunity to respond if she chooses

1:05:00

to?

1:05:02

>> There will be an opportunity

1:05:05

for her to respond to any questions that

1:05:07

council members have regarding her

1:05:09

appointment under resolution

1:05:13

17 of 2026.

1:05:16

>> speaking primarily of the accusations

1:05:17

made against her.

1:05:19

>> We will not be entertaining the

1:05:20

accusations. As I mentioned, we will, if

1:05:23

council members have questions related

1:05:25

to resolution 17 of 2026,

1:05:29

there will be an opportunity for Ms.

1:05:31

Martin Roberts to answer those

1:05:32

questions.

1:05:33

>> Thank you, ma'am.

1:05:34

>> Thank you.

1:05:37

>> Now what?

1:05:39

>> Do you have comments? Okay.

1:05:44

>> And

1:05:45

what?

1:05:49

>> I was waiting for the other gentleman

1:05:52

who would like to offer public comment

1:05:53

to come to the microphone, if you're

1:05:55

talking to me.

1:05:56

>> I am.

1:05:59

>> Please proceed with your comments.

1:06:01

>> Um my name is Lewis Butts. I'm start I

1:06:04

started a lobbying company in

1:06:05

Harrisburg. And

1:06:08

we really needed

1:06:10

to turn around and move away from a lot

1:06:12

of this

1:06:13

negative stuff because we're wasting a

1:06:15

lot of time.

1:06:17

We got to think it we're in our 250th

1:06:19

anniversary

1:06:21

of America. And

1:06:23

I don't see us preparing to

1:06:27

gather some economic development from

1:06:30

the time.

1:06:32

I mean, let's do something while we have

1:06:35

the time.

1:06:36

Else the time will it will pass us by.

1:06:41

Um I have a project for the State Street

1:06:43

Bridge

1:06:44

to where we can um

1:06:46

hang all of our

1:06:47

flags that we've earned

1:06:50

from Camp Curtin. We could tell the

1:06:51

story. And we won't lose the time.

1:06:54

It would give us some identity. It's our

1:06:56

history.

1:06:57

It would give us some some solid

1:07:00

identity

1:07:01

that we can teach our children so they

1:07:03

can learn about what we did for America.

1:07:06

This is a time that we can do this.

1:07:09

So, let's

1:07:10

keep some things in a pocket

1:07:12

in our pocket and keep it

1:07:14

isolated if it's negative and work on

1:07:17

something

1:07:18

that is timely. We got to clean up We

1:07:21

should clean up that State Street Bridge

1:07:23

along with the um

1:07:26

the Terrace. It looks horrible

1:07:28

along with the bridge. We have to

1:07:30

respect something so we can get some

1:07:32

economic benefit. Gettysburg has an

1:07:35

economic benefit from having their

1:07:38

history um presented. Let's just do

1:07:40

something that's smarter.

1:07:43

And it's about ourselves, focusing on

1:07:46

ourselves. We can really do some

1:07:47

reenactments, put everybody to work.

1:07:51

Let's keep the negative somewhere else.

1:07:53

Glory I don't mind Look, this is our

1:07:56

This is our This is our body.

1:07:59

Everybody's one body.

1:08:02

People make fun of me.

1:08:05

You feel me?

1:08:07

We got to take our hits.

1:08:10

They say I'm so grandiose with whatever,

1:08:12

but I'm really not.

1:08:14

Let's use what Let's use what we have.

1:08:17

The school board We can't even go to the

1:08:19

same school board meeting.

1:08:21

We have a very important school board

1:08:22

meeting right now that half of us should

1:08:25

be at.

1:08:26

But we can't be there. They're

1:08:28

separating us I They're isolating us.

1:08:31

They're Everybody that should be over

1:08:33

there is here.

1:08:35

We got to work this out and you know we

1:08:37

do.

1:08:38

So, let's

1:08:39

say, "Come on, we got to stagger one of

1:08:41

these meetings."

1:08:43

So, we can cuz our kids are important.

1:08:45

If our kids are important

1:08:48

and we're here, they need us there, too.

1:08:51

Okay? So, we just We got to think

1:08:54

There's got to be some easy solutions.

1:08:56

It's not hard. Stagger a meeting so this

1:08:59

body can be there so they're not

1:09:01

knocking down something that we already

1:09:02

have.

1:09:05

We're spending $5 million

1:09:07

to

1:09:08

to knock down something that we have.

1:09:11

So, we can have it zero again.

1:09:16

This is exhausting.

1:09:19

You feel what I'm saying? Let's let's

1:09:21

just stop it. It's got to stop

1:09:22

something. It's got to just got to stop.

1:09:25

Okay?

1:09:26

That's all I'm saying. It ain't about

1:09:28

me, either.

1:09:31

It's about getting our

1:09:33

some respect going on. And we got a

1:09:34

memorial bridge that's historical.

1:09:38

Let's

1:09:39

put Harrisburg at full address. Let's

1:09:41

work with Governor Shapiro and say we

1:09:44

have something that we can say is ours.

1:09:48

And I and I got seconds.

1:09:52

And I got seconds.

1:09:53

All right, y'all. Y'all be good. Just be

1:09:55

good.

1:09:57

>> Thank you.

1:09:59

We are going to move forward with our

1:10:01

meeting agenda. Next, we have the

1:10:03

approval of the minutes for the

1:10:05

legislative session that occurred on

1:10:07

February 24th, 2026.

1:10:10

Council members, are there any revisions

1:10:13

to those meeting minutes?

1:10:15

Okay, seeing and hearing none, the

1:10:16

minutes stand approved. Next, we will

1:10:19

begin reports of committees.

1:10:21

I will deliver the first report on

1:10:23

behalf of the administration committee

1:10:25

on the work session that occurred on

1:10:27

March 3rd, 2026.

1:10:31

On Tuesday, March 3rd, 2026, the

1:10:34

administration committee met to discuss

1:10:36

two bills and four resolutions.

1:10:39

Bill two of 2026,

1:10:42

an ordinance forgiving and discharging

1:10:44

2024

1:10:46

and 2025 city real estate taxes,

1:10:50

including interest, penalties, and

1:10:52

costs, and striking off tax liens for

1:10:55

certain historically tax-exempt

1:10:58

properties.

1:10:59

Bill 3 of 2026,

1:11:02

an ordinance amending chapter 2-301

1:11:06

of part 3 of the administrative code

1:11:09

regarding department heads appointment

1:11:12

and duties and acting heads to update

1:11:15

and clarify provisions regarding such

1:11:18

appointments. Resolution 12 of 2026,

1:11:23

a resolution authorizing the city of

1:11:25

Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a

1:11:27

lease agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:11:31

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:11:33

maintaining an existing billboard on a

1:11:36

portion of city property located along

1:11:39

South Cameron Street north of the

1:11:41

intersection of Magnolia Street.

1:11:44

Resolution 13 of 2026,

1:11:47

a resolution authorizing the city of

1:11:49

Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a

1:11:52

lease agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:11:55

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:11:58

maintaining an existing billboard on a

1:12:01

portion of city property located along

1:12:04

South Cameron Street south of the

1:12:06

intersection of Magnolia Street.

1:12:09

Resolution 14 of 2026,

1:12:12

a resolution authorizing the city of

1:12:15

Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a

1:12:17

lease agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:12:20

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:12:23

maintaining an existing billboard on a

1:12:25

portion of city property located along

1:12:28

South Cameron Street near the

1:12:30

intersection of Elliott Street.

1:12:32

Resolution 15 of 2026, a resolution

1:12:36

ratifying and approving the 2026

1:12:40

through 2028

1:12:42

basic labor agreement between the city

1:12:44

of Harrisburg and local 521 American

1:12:48

Federation of State, County, and

1:12:50

Municipal employees' Council 13.

1:12:54

Bill two of 2026 was discussed first.

1:12:59

This is the fourth bill in the series of

1:13:01

tax exemption bills that we've been

1:13:03

taking action on. The bill addresses tax

1:13:07

exemption for churches. The two churches

1:13:10

who are seeking an exemption are Mount

1:13:12

Olive Baptist Church and formerly Agape

1:13:16

Ministries.

1:13:17

Council members asked the following

1:13:19

question. There was a tax year

1:13:21

clarification question. Um so it's for

1:13:24

2024 through 2025.

1:13:28

Um another question, how does this play

1:13:31

out moving forward?

1:13:33

Another question was a have all of the

1:13:36

churches responded? Um solicitor Neil

1:13:40

Grover noted that all churches that are

1:13:43

still functioning have responded. I

1:13:46

encourage my colleagues to support bill

1:13:48

two of 2026

1:13:50

to ensure that our churches receive

1:13:53

their appropriate tax exemption.

1:13:56

Bill three of 2026 was discussed second.

1:14:00

Solicitor Neil Grover discussed acting

1:14:02

department heads uh occurring on a

1:14:04

case-by-case basis. Council members had

1:14:07

no questions. I encourage my colleagues

1:14:10

to support bill three of 2026

1:14:14

to end the practice of interim directors

1:14:17

in this administration and all future

1:14:19

administrations.

1:14:21

Resolution 12 of 2026,

1:14:24

resolution 13 of 2026,

1:14:27

resolution 14 of 2026 and

1:14:31

were discussed, excuse me.

1:14:34

They discussed various lease agreements

1:14:36

with Lamar Advantage GP Company LLC for

1:14:40

the purpose of constructing and

1:14:42

maintaining billboards on a portion of

1:14:45

city property um, fronting Paxton

1:14:49

Street,

1:14:50

oh, located that's resolution 10, sorry.

1:14:53

Um, the intersections of Magnolia south

1:14:57

of Cameron Street, um, north of the sec

1:14:59

intersections of Magnolia Street and

1:15:02

Cameron Street near the intersection of

1:15:04

Elliott Street. Antonia Magna, special

1:15:07

assistant in the business

1:15:09

administrator's office was present to

1:15:11

answer questions. Um, he noted that some

1:15:14

of the signs are already built and that

1:15:17

a new agreement, uh, 15 years in length,

1:15:21

um, is the is the term.

1:15:23

I encourage my colleagues to support

1:15:25

resolution 12 of 2026, resolution 13 of

1:15:29

2026,

1:15:30

and resolution 14 of 2026 as these

1:15:33

billboards, uh, will provide

1:15:35

advertisement opportunities for the city

1:15:37

of Harrisburg and other local

1:15:40

Harrisburg-based businesses.

1:15:42

Resolution 15 of 2026,

1:15:45

Jack Dean, our label labor council,

1:15:48

participated in the work session via

1:15:51

Zoom. He highlighted the major,

1:15:54

uh, terms of the 2026 through 2028

1:15:58

proposed collective bargaining

1:16:00

agreement, um, including the following.

1:16:03

It is, uh,

1:16:04

the term is for 3 years, 2026 to 2028.

1:16:11

Um, there the holiday of Juneteenth was

1:16:14

added. Uh, it's our understanding that

1:16:16

employees were receiving, um, that

1:16:20

as a holiday off, um, but it is now

1:16:23

included, um, in their scheduling.

1:16:26

Article 15 discusses wages. Section 1 is

1:16:30

4% is retroactive to January 1st, 2026.

1:16:36

There's a $1,000 one-time, uh, bonus.

1:16:39

And then a 3% increase, uh, for the next

1:16:44

2 years.

1:16:45

Article 20 discusses medical and

1:16:47

hospital benefits, specifically section

1:16:50

4 subsection F discusses increased

1:16:54

reimbursement for Medicare supplement by

1:16:56

$10 per year to $370

1:17:00

by 2028.

1:17:03

Council members asked the following

1:17:05

clarifying questions.

1:17:07

Are there similar increases or similar

1:17:09

bonuses to last year's agreement?

1:17:13

Extra holiday bonuses,

1:17:16

as we noted, weren't in the contract.

1:17:19

But in

1:17:21

memorandums of understanding,

1:17:23

rate increases bonuses are less to

1:17:27

provide annual bonuses.

1:17:30

I encourage my colleagues to support

1:17:32

resolution 15 of 2026

1:17:35

as the negotiation has already occurred.

1:17:38

A favorable vote is the final step. This

1:17:41

concludes the report of the

1:17:43

administration committee. The next

1:17:45

committee report you will hear will be

1:17:47

delivered by our public works committee

1:17:49

chair, Councilman Rodriguez, on the work

1:17:52

session of March 3rd, 2026.

1:17:55

>> Thank you, Madam President. Good evening

1:17:57

to all in attendance. On Tuesday, March

1:17:59

3rd of 2026, the Public Works Committee

1:18:02

met to discuss one bill and two

1:18:03

resolutions. Bill 4 of 2026 is an

1:18:07

ordinance amending chapter 9-301

1:18:10

of title 9 of the Harrisburg City Code

1:18:12

regarding the municipal waste,

1:18:14

recycling, and composting to authorize

1:18:17

the identification and designation of

1:18:19

business establishments for the

1:18:20

placement of city designated litter

1:18:23

receptacles, i.e., hotspot cans, outside

1:18:26

public exits consistent with the

1:18:28

findings of Pennsylvania Litter Action

1:18:30

Plan 2021. Joining us to discuss was

1:18:34

Director West from the Harrisburg City

1:18:35

Public Works Department. Director West

1:18:37

expressed the need for a corner store

1:18:39

ordinance and how important it is to

1:18:41

replace the usage of the obsolete stone

1:18:43

cans and replace them with the new black

1:18:45

can orange lid substitutions.

1:18:48

This legislation ties directly into the

1:18:50

city's comprehensive plan and the PA

1:18:52

litter mitigation action plan for

1:18:54

cleaner and safer cities. Questions from

1:18:57

council were minimal, but the ones that

1:18:59

were asked were around the pickup

1:19:00

frequency of these cans and what would

1:19:02

be the penalty for those

1:19:03

non-cooperative.

1:19:05

Also up for discussion was resolution 10

1:19:07

of 2026 and resolution 11 of 2026.

1:19:11

Resolution 10 of 2026 is a resolution

1:19:14

authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

1:19:16

negotiate and enter in a lease agreement

1:19:18

with Lamar Advantage GP Company LLC for

1:19:21

the purpose of constructing and

1:19:22

maintaining a billboard on a portion of

1:19:25

city property fronting Paxton Street

1:19:27

located at 1812 Paxton Street. And

1:19:30

resolution 11 of 2026 was a resolution

1:19:33

authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

1:19:35

negotiate and enter in a lease agreement

1:19:38

with Lamar Advantage GP Company LLC for

1:19:41

the purpose of constructing and

1:19:42

maintaining a billboard on a portion of

1:19:44

city property fronting I-83 located at

1:19:48

1812 Paxton Street. Joining us was a

1:19:51

representative from Lamar Advantage GP

1:19:53

and Antonio Magna from the mayor's

1:19:54

cabinet to discuss the set of

1:19:56

resolutions. Questions from council were

1:19:58

minimal, but everyone was in agreement

1:20:00

that a lease agreement would earn the

1:20:02

city proceeds which would be beneficial

1:20:04

and productive to the economic

1:20:06

development of the city of Harrisburg.

1:20:08

Conversations were very productive and I

1:20:10

highly encourage my colleagues on

1:20:11

council to support this bill and both

1:20:13

resolutions on tonight's legislative

1:20:16

agenda. And that concludes the report

1:20:18

from the Public Works Committee work

1:20:19

session from March 3rd of 2026. Thank

1:20:22

you.

1:20:23

>> Thank you, Councilman Rodriguez. We do

1:20:25

not have any ordinances for first

1:20:27

reading. We will move to ordinances for

1:20:29

amendment. Our first ordinance for

1:20:32

amendment is bill two of 2026.

1:20:36

Mr. Truesdale, could you please read it

1:20:38

into the record?

1:20:40

>> Bill two, 2026, an ordinance forgiving

1:20:43

and discharging 2024 and 2025 city real

1:20:46

estate taxes including interest,

1:20:48

penalties, and costs and striking off

1:20:50

tax liens for certain historically tax

1:20:52

exempt properties.

1:20:55

>> Thank you.

1:20:57

Next, bill three of 2026.

1:21:00

Mr. Truesdale, could you please read it

1:21:02

into the record?

1:21:03

>> Bill three, 2026, an ordinance amending

1:21:06

chapter two {dash} 301 of part three of

1:21:09

the administrative code regarding

1:21:10

department heads appointment and duties

1:21:12

and acting heads to update and clarify

1:21:14

provisions regarding such appointments.

1:21:17

>> Thank you.

1:21:21

I move that the following language be

1:21:24

added to the end of subsection two

1:21:27

{dash} 301.5,

1:21:30

subsection C.

1:21:33

Except as set forth herein, the mayor is

1:21:36

prohibited from appointing an interim or

1:21:40

other temporary department head and the

1:21:43

controller shall be prohibited from

1:21:46

approving or issuing any compensation

1:21:50

associated with any such appointment.

1:21:54

Is there a second?

1:21:56

>> Second.

1:21:56

>> Thank you.

1:21:58

I will sus- entertain a motion to

1:22:00

suspend the rules for discussion.

1:22:02

>> So moved.

1:22:03

>> And there's a second. Okay, thank you.

1:22:05

Uh so, before us we have bill three of

1:22:08

2026.

1:22:09

There is uh an amendment on the floor.

1:22:13

Council members, are there any questions

1:22:16

regarding the amendment?

1:22:19

>> No, I have none.

1:22:21

>> Okay.

1:22:24

Seeing and hearing no questions,

1:22:27

Solicitor Grover or

1:22:39

>> Uh yes, Madam Chair.

1:22:41

>> I just wanted to know if you had any

1:22:42

commentary before resuming our

1:22:45

legislative session.

1:22:46

>> No.

1:22:47

>> Okay.

1:22:48

I will entertain a motion to resume the

1:22:50

legislative session.

1:22:51

>> Motion to resume the session.

1:22:53

>> Thank you. Is there a second?

1:22:54

>> Second.

1:22:54

>> Thank you. So, before us uh we have an

1:22:57

amendment. I will read the language

1:22:59

again.

1:23:00

Um

1:23:01

I I move that the following language be

1:23:03

added to the end of subsection 2-301.5

1:23:05

subsection

1:23:09

C. Except as set forth herein, the mayor

1:23:12

is prohibited from appointing an interim

1:23:15

or other temporary department head, and

1:23:18

the controller shall be prohibited from

1:23:21

approving or issuing any compensation

1:23:23

associated with any such appointment.

1:23:26

So, it was moved and second. Uh

1:23:28

council members, are there any

1:23:30

questions, comments, or concerns related

1:23:32

to the amendment on the floor?

1:23:35

Okay, seeing and hearing none, Mr.

1:23:36

Truesdale, could you please call the

1:23:37

vote?

1:23:38

>> Ms. Davis?

1:23:39

>> Yes.

1:23:40

>> Ms. Green?

1:23:41

>> Yes.

1:23:42

>> Mr. Jones?

1:23:43

>> Yay.

1:23:45

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:23:46

>> Yes.

1:23:47

>> Ms. Rose?

1:23:48

>> Yes.

1:23:49

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:23:50

>> Yes.

1:23:51

>> Ms. Hill?

1:23:52

>> Yes.

1:23:53

>> The amendment passes by vote of 7 to 0.

1:23:56

>> Thank you.

1:24:00

Next, we have Bill 4 of 2026.

1:24:04

Mr. Truesdale, could you please read it

1:24:05

into the record?

1:24:07

>> Bill 4, 2026, an ordinance amending

1:24:10

chapter 9-301

1:24:12

of title 9 of the city hit city Oh my

1:24:15

gosh. Of the Harrisburg city code

1:24:17

regarding the municipal waste recycling

1:24:19

and composting to authorize and to

1:24:22

authorize the identification and

1:24:23

description of business establishments

1:24:25

for the placement of city designated

1:24:27

litter receptacles, hot spot cans,

1:24:29

outside public exits consistent with the

1:24:31

findings of the Pennsylvania Litter

1:24:33

Action Plan.

1:24:35

>> Thank you.

1:24:36

Council members, are there any

1:24:39

amendments to this bill?

1:24:42

Okay, seeing and hearing none, we'll

1:24:43

move forward with ordinances for final

1:24:45

passage.

1:24:46

The first we have Bill 2 of 2026. Mr.

1:24:50

Truesdale, could you please read it into

1:24:52

the record one last time?

1:24:53

>> Yep.

1:24:54

Bill 2 2026, an ordinance forgiving and

1:24:57

discharging 2024 and 2025 city real

1:25:00

estate taxes including interest,

1:25:02

penalties, and costs and striking off

1:25:04

tax liens for certain historically tax

1:25:05

exempt properties.

1:25:07

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

1:25:09

any final questions, comments, or

1:25:11

concerns related to Bill 2 of 2026?

1:25:15

Okay.

1:25:16

>> I would just note that I will be

1:25:17

recusing myself due to my aunt being the

1:25:19

pastor at one of the churches.

1:25:21

>> Thank you.

1:25:22

Any other questions, comments, or

1:25:25

concerns?

1:25:26

Seeing and hearing none, Mr. Truesdale,

1:25:28

could you please call the vote?

1:25:30

>> Ms. Davis?

1:25:31

>> Yes.

1:25:33

>> Mr. Jones?

1:25:34

>> Yay.

1:25:35

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:25:37

>> Yes.

1:25:38

>> Ms. Rawls?

1:25:39

>> Yes.

1:25:40

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:25:41

>> Yes.

1:25:43

>> Ms. Hill?

1:25:44

>> Yes.

1:25:45

>> Bill 2 of 2026 passes by vote of 6 to 0.

1:25:49

>> Thank you. Next we have Bill 3 of 2026

1:25:54

as amended. Mr. Truesdale, could you

1:25:56

please read it into the record?

1:25:59

>> Bill 3 2026, an ordinance amending

1:26:02

chapter 2-301 of part 3 of the

1:26:04

administrative code regarding department

1:26:06

heads, appointment and duties, and

1:26:08

acting heads to update and clarify

1:26:10

provisions regarding such appointments.

1:26:12

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

1:26:14

any final questions, comments, or

1:26:16

concerns related to bill three of 2026?

1:26:21

Seeing and hearing none, Mr. Truesdale,

1:26:22

could you please call the vote?

1:26:24

>> Ms. Davis?

1:26:25

>> Yes.

1:26:26

>> Ms. Green?

1:26:27

>> Yes.

1:26:29

>> Mr. Jones?

1:26:30

>> Yay.

1:26:31

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:26:32

>> Yes.

1:26:33

>> Ms. Rolls?

1:26:34

>> Yes.

1:26:35

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:26:36

>> Yes.

1:26:37

>> Ms. Hill?

1:26:38

>> Yes.

1:26:39

>> Bill three 2026 passes as amended by

1:26:42

vote of seven to zero.

1:26:44

>> Thank you.

1:26:45

Next we have bill four of 2026. Mr.

1:26:48

Truesdale, could you please read it into

1:26:50

the record?

1:26:52

>> Bill four of 2026, an ordinance amending

1:26:55

chapter nine-301

1:26:57

of title nine of the Harrisburg city

1:26:58

code regarding the municipal waste,

1:27:00

recycling, and composting to authorize

1:27:02

the identification and designation of

1:27:05

business establishments for the

1:27:06

placement of city designated litter

1:27:08

receptacles, hot spot cans outside

1:27:10

public exits consistent with the

1:27:12

findings of the Pennsylvania litter

1:27:14

action plan.

1:27:15

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

1:27:16

any final questions, comments, or

1:27:18

concerns related to bill four of 2026?

1:27:22

>> I just have one comment.

1:27:23

>> Yes.

1:27:24

>> I just wanted to say thank you again to

1:27:26

Councilman Rodriguez for bringing this

1:27:28

bill forward. I know this is a joint

1:27:30

effort and

1:27:31

um we're doing this together also, but

1:27:33

he brought it forward to have uh make

1:27:36

sure receptacles were placed outside of

1:27:38

corner stores as a way to continue to

1:27:40

keep our city beautiful. So, I just

1:27:42

wanted to uh thank him again for uh bill

1:27:45

four of 2026.

1:27:47

>> Thank you. Are there any other comments?

1:27:50

>> Yes, Madam President. I just wanted to

1:27:52

thank everyone for the draft of the

1:27:54

bill, legal for helping it um come down

1:27:57

to the floor, the collaboration with

1:27:58

Madam Mayor's office, and everyone on

1:28:00

council. Long time coming, all of our

1:28:02

stewards of environmental freedom and

1:28:05

keeping the city of Harrisburg clean.

1:28:07

It's been a long time, so thank you and

1:28:09

your leadership and VP Jones and the

1:28:11

rest of council, and everyone that had a

1:28:13

hand on it. I know at the time when we

1:28:15

drafted it said

1:28:17

wasn't even in his role he is now. So,

1:28:19

it's been some time. So, I'm

1:28:20

appreciative to get this done for the

1:28:21

city and you know, I I I can't wait to

1:28:23

see it enacted. So, thank you everybody.

1:28:26

>> Thank you.

1:28:27

Yes, President Hill. Thank you.

1:28:30

Thank you Councilman Rodriguez for

1:28:32

bringing this forward. I am in favor of

1:28:35

this. I do have a question for Solicitor

1:28:37

Grover in reference to the city

1:28:41

lots, the blanket lots. Is there

1:28:43

anything out there to keep those lots

1:28:46

clean or were there any

1:28:49

>> Are Are you talking about vacant lots,

1:28:51

parks? What are you speaking of?

1:28:52

>> Vacant lots.

1:28:54

Um

1:28:55

>> So, that we have a um

1:28:57

>> Vacant lots that the city owns.

1:28:58

>> We have a lot administrator who

1:29:01

coordinates

1:29:03

the cleaning of those lots, the cutting

1:29:05

of the grass. We outsource the cutting

1:29:07

of the grass and the snow every year by

1:29:08

contract. There's so many of them.

1:29:10

Um and the the lot administrator

1:29:12

position is probably only 4 years old.

1:29:15

It's It There's been a lot of attempts

1:29:16

to trying to find a way to manage those

1:29:18

lots which are are fairly challenging

1:29:20

cuz they're spread out all over the

1:29:21

city.

1:29:22

Um and I think we're at 400 plus at this

1:29:24

point.

1:29:26

>> How can we get in touch with the lot

1:29:28

administrator? Just

1:29:30

>> Mr. West. He works for Mr. West.

1:29:36

>> Okay. Thank you.

1:29:39

Are there any other questions, comments,

1:29:41

or concerns related to Bill 4 of 2026?

1:29:46

Okay, seeing hearing none. Mr.

1:29:47

Truesdale, could you please call the

1:29:49

vote?

1:29:50

>> Ms. Davis?

1:29:51

>> Yes.

1:29:53

>> Ms. Green?

1:29:54

>> Yes.

1:29:55

>> Mr. Jones?

1:29:56

>> Yay.

1:29:58

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:29:59

>> Yes.

1:30:00

>> Ms. Rolls?

1:30:01

>> Yes.

1:30:03

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:30:04

>> Yes.

1:30:05

>> Ms. Hill?

1:30:06

>> Yes.

1:30:07

>> Bill 4 of 2026 passes by vote of 7-0.

1:30:10

>> Thank you. We will now move forward with

1:30:13

resolutions. The first resolution for

1:30:15

consideration this evening is resolution

1:30:18

10 of 2026.

1:30:20

Mr. Truesdale, could you please read it

1:30:22

into the record?

1:30:23

>> Resolution 10, 2026. A resolution

1:30:26

authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

1:30:27

negotiate and enter into a lease

1:30:29

agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:30:31

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:30:33

constructing and maintaining a billboard

1:30:35

on a portion of city property fronting

1:30:37

Paxton Street located at 1812 Paxton

1:30:40

Street.

1:30:40

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

1:30:42

any questions, comments, or concerns

1:30:45

related to resolution 10 of 2026?

1:30:48

Seeing and hearing none, Mr. Truesdale,

1:30:50

could you please call the vote?

1:30:52

>> Ms. Davis?

1:30:53

>> Yes.

1:30:54

>> Ms. Green?

1:30:56

>> Yes.

1:30:57

>> Mr. Jones?

1:30:58

>> Yay.

1:31:00

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:31:01

>> Yes.

1:31:02

>> Ms. Rose?

1:31:04

>> Yes.

1:31:05

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:31:06

>> Yes.

1:31:06

>> Ms. Hill?

1:31:07

>> Yes.

1:31:08

>> Resolution 10 of 2026 passes by vote of

1:31:11

7-0.

1:31:12

>> Thank you. Next, we have resolution 11

1:31:15

of 2026. Mr. Truesdale, could you please

1:31:17

read it into the record?

1:31:19

>> Resolution 11, 2026. A resolution

1:31:21

authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

1:31:23

negotiate and enter into a lease

1:31:24

agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:31:26

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:31:28

constructing and maintaining a billboard

1:31:30

on a portion of city property fronting

1:31:32

I-83 located at 1812 Paxton Street.

1:31:36

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

1:31:37

any questions, comments, or concerns

1:31:39

related to resolution 11 of 2026? Seeing

1:31:43

and hearing none, Mr. Truesdale, could

1:31:44

you please call the vote?

1:31:46

>> Ms. Davis?

1:31:46

>> Yes.

1:31:48

>> Ms. Green?

1:31:49

>> Yes.

1:31:50

>> Mr. Jones?

1:31:51

>> Yay.

1:31:52

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:31:53

>> Yes.

1:31:54

>> Ms. Rose?

1:31:55

>> Yes.

1:31:56

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:31:57

>> Yes.

1:31:58

>> Ms. Hill?

1:31:59

>> Yes.

1:31:59

>> Resolution 11 of 2026 passes by vote of

1:32:02

7 to 0.

1:32:03

>> Thank you. Next we have Resolution 12 of

1:32:05

2026. Mr. Truesdale, could you please

1:32:08

read it into the record?

1:32:10

>> Resolution 12 2026, a resolution

1:32:12

authorizing the City of Harrisburg to

1:32:14

negotiate and enter into a lease

1:32:15

agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:32:17

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:32:19

maintaining an existing billboard on a

1:32:22

portion of city property located along

1:32:24

South Cameron Street north of the

1:32:26

intersection of Magnolia Street.

1:32:28

>> Thank you. Council members, do you have

1:32:30

any questions, comments, or concerns

1:32:32

related to Resolution 12 of 2026?

1:32:36

Seeing and hearing none, Mr. Truesdale,

1:32:37

could you please call the vote?

1:32:39

>> Ms. Davis?

1:32:40

>> Yes.

1:32:41

>> Ms. Green?

1:32:42

>> Yes.

1:32:43

>> Mr. Jones?

1:32:44

>> Yay.

1:32:45

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:32:46

>> Yes.

1:32:47

>> Ms. Rolls?

1:32:48

>> Yes.

1:32:49

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:32:50

>> Yes.

1:32:51

>> Ms. Hill?

1:32:51

>> Yes.

1:32:52

>> Resolution 12 of 2026 passes by vote of

1:32:54

7 to 0.

1:32:56

>> Thank you. Next we have Resolution 13 of

1:32:58

2026. Mr. Truesdale, could you please

1:33:02

>> Resolution 13 2026, a resolution

1:33:05

authorizing the City of Harrisburg to

1:33:06

negotiate and enter into a lease

1:33:08

agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:33:10

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:33:12

maintaining an existing billboard on a

1:33:14

portion of city property located along

1:33:16

South Cameron Street south of the

1:33:18

intersection of Magnolia Street.

1:33:20

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

1:33:21

any questions, comments, or concerns

1:33:24

related to Resolution 13 of 2026?

1:33:27

Seeing and hearing none, Mr. Truesdale,

1:33:29

could you please call the vote?

1:33:30

>> Ms. Davis?

1:33:31

>> Yes.

1:33:32

>> Ms. Green?

1:33:33

>> Yes.

1:33:34

>> Mr. Jones?

1:33:35

>> Yay.

1:33:36

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:33:37

>> Yes.

1:33:38

>> Ms. Rolls?

1:33:39

>> Yes.

1:33:40

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:33:41

>> Yes.

1:33:42

>> Ms. Hill?

1:33:43

>> Yes.

1:33:44

>> Resolution 13 of 2026 passes by vote of

1:33:47

7 to 0.

1:33:48

>> Thank you. Next we have Resolution 14 of

1:33:50

2026.

1:33:52

Mr. Truesdale, could you please read it

1:33:53

into the record?

1:33:54

>> Resolution 14 2026, a resolution

1:33:57

authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

1:33:59

negotiate and enter into a lease

1:34:00

agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:34:02

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:34:04

maintaining an existing billboard on a

1:34:06

portion of city property located along

1:34:08

South Cameron Street near the

1:34:10

intersection of Elliot Street.

1:34:12

>> Thank you, council members. Are there

1:34:13

any final questions, comments, or

1:34:15

concerns related to resolution 14 of

1:34:18

2026?

1:34:20

Seeing and hearing none, Mr. Truesdale,

1:34:21

could you please call the vote?

1:34:23

>> Ms. Davis?

1:34:23

>> Yes.

1:34:25

>> Ms. Green?

1:34:26

>> Yes.

1:34:27

>> Mr. Jones?

1:34:28

>> Yay.

1:34:29

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:34:30

>> Yes.

1:34:31

>> Ms. Rose?

1:34:32

>> Yes.

1:34:33

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:34:34

>> Yes.

1:34:34

>> Ms. Hill?

1:34:36

>> Yes.

1:34:37

>> Resolution 14 of 2026 passes by vote of

1:34:39

7 to 0.

1:34:41

>> Thank you. Next we have resolution 15 of

1:34:44

2026.

1:34:45

Mr. Truesdale, could you please read it

1:34:47

into the record?

1:34:50

>> Resolution 15 of 2026. A resolution

1:34:54

ratifying and approving the 2026 through

1:34:57

2028 basic labor agreement between the

1:34:59

city of Harrisburg and Local 521,

1:35:02

American Federation of State, County,

1:35:04

and Municipal Employees Council 13.

1:35:07

>> Thank you, council members. Are there

1:35:08

any final questions, comments, or

1:35:10

concerns related to resolution 15 of

1:35:13

2026?

1:35:14

Seeing hearing none, Mr. Truesdale,

1:35:16

could you please call the vote?

1:35:18

>> Ms. Davis?

1:35:19

>> Yes.

1:35:20

>> Ms. Green?

1:35:21

>> Yes.

1:35:22

>> Mr. Jones?

1:35:23

>> Yay.

1:35:25

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:35:26

>> Yes.

1:35:27

>> Ms. Rose?

1:35:28

>> Yes.

1:35:29

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:35:30

>> Yes.

1:35:30

>> Ms. Hill?

1:35:31

>> Yes.

1:35:32

>> Resolution 15 of 2026 passes by vote of

1:35:35

7 to 0.

1:35:36

>> Thank you. Next we have resolution 16 of

1:35:39

2026. Mr. Truesdale, could you please

1:35:41

read it into the record?

1:35:43

>> Resolution 16, 2026. A resolution to

1:35:47

negotiate and enter into a lease

1:35:48

agreement with the Pennsylvania

1:35:50

Department of Transportation in the

1:35:51

amount of $1 for a certain portion of

1:35:54

right-of-way with parking and lighting

1:35:56

improvements located under the South

1:35:58

Bridge of I-83 to be used as parking for

1:36:00

recreation activities on the Capital

1:36:03

Area Greenbelt.

1:36:04

>> Thank you. Resolution 16 of 2026 will

1:36:08

move to the Administration Committee.

1:36:11

Next, we have Resolution 17 of 2026. Mr.

1:36:14

Truesdale, could you please read it into

1:36:16

the record?

1:36:17

>> Resolution 17 2026. A resolution

1:36:20

confirming the appointment appointment

1:36:22

of Gloria Martin Roberts to serve as

1:36:24

director of the Department of Building

1:36:26

and Housing Development for the City of

1:36:28

Harrisburg.

1:36:29

>> Thank you. I will entertain a motion to

1:36:32

suspend the rules for discussion.

1:36:34

>> So moved.

1:36:34

>> Is there a second?

1:36:35

>> Second.

1:36:36

>> Thank you.

1:36:37

I believe Ms. Martin Roberts

1:36:41

Oh, she's outside. Okay.

1:36:47

Well, let's move forward with the other

1:36:50

uh

1:36:51

resolutions and then she'll come.

1:36:57

Yes, let's do that and we'll come back.

1:37:00

Resolution 18 of 2026. Mr. Truesdale,

1:37:03

could you please read it into the

1:37:04

record?

1:37:07

>> Res- Resolution 18 2026. A resolution

1:37:11

approving the second proposed 2026

1:37:13

budget reallocation including an initial

1:37:15

appropriation and allocation in

1:37:17

fulfillment of contractual commitments.

1:37:20

>> Thank you. Resolution 18 of 2026 will

1:37:23

move to the Budget and Finance

1:37:24

Committee. The final resolution for

1:37:26

consideration is Resolution 19 of 2026.

1:37:30

Mr. Truesdale, could you please read it

1:37:32

into the record?

1:37:33

>> Resolution 19 of 2026. A resolution

1:37:36

appointing Ms. Katherine O'Fla- Flaherty

1:37:39

to serve on the Harrisburg Architectural

1:37:41

Review Board of the City of Harrisburg.

1:37:44

>> Thank you. Resolution 19 of 2026 will

1:37:48

move to the administration committee.

1:37:50

We're going to go back to resolution 17

1:37:53

of 2026.

1:37:55

I believe Ms. Martin Roberts is now

1:37:57

present in the room.

1:38:08

>> Thank you.

1:38:16

Good evening. I apologize to you. I was

1:38:18

being interviewed.

1:38:21

>> Okay. Thank you.

1:38:23

Uh

1:38:24

I really don't have any questions. Um

1:38:29

I think as I've noted before,

1:38:31

this was the second piece of legislation

1:38:35

that we've been waiting for um following

1:38:38

the joint stipulation with the court.

1:38:40

So, I don't I don't have any questions

1:38:42

here. I will open the floor to my

1:38:44

colleagues who may have some additional

1:38:46

questions. We'll begin with uh

1:38:49

Councilwoman woman Davis, do you have

1:38:51

any questions?

1:38:53

>> Thank you, President Hill. No, I don't

1:38:55

have any questions for um Ms. Gloria

1:38:58

Martin Roberts. I'm familiar with her

1:39:02

work since I've been here. So, um I

1:39:06

don't have any questions. Thank you.

1:39:08

>> Okay. Thank you. Councilman Rodriguez,

1:39:10

do you have any questions?

1:39:12

>> Thank you, Madam President. Yes, uh good

1:39:13

evening, Ms. Gloria. How are you?

1:39:15

>> I'm fine, thank you.

1:39:16

>> Good to see you. How's everything going?

1:39:18

>> Everything's going fine, thank you.

1:39:19

>> All right. Um

1:39:21

So, how do you plan um on increasing

1:39:24

communications between council and your

1:39:26

department if you receive the

1:39:27

affirmative vote this evening?

1:39:29

>> Well, I believe that it would be helpful

1:39:32

if I've had on my calendar the

1:39:34

availability of council members to meet

1:39:37

with me. Now, some of you already do

1:39:39

that and and you come and meet with me

1:39:42

on a regular basis when you can.

1:39:45

But I think it would be very helpful.

1:39:47

And that's not just for me, but that's

1:39:49

for any department to be on a calendar

1:39:52

so that you have regularly scheduled

1:39:55

meetings. Uh just to

1:39:57

keep you apprised of what's going on in

1:39:59

the various departments.

1:40:00

>> Thank you. Um quarterly reports, is that

1:40:03

something you'd be willing to continue I

1:40:05

mean coming down and actually

1:40:07

giving the presentation yourself in

1:40:09

front of council?

1:40:10

>> Certainly.

1:40:11

>> Okay. Okay. Um

1:40:13

let's just say for some reason you do

1:40:16

get voted down this evening. Are there

1:40:18

any workings with HUD on the federal

1:40:21

level that will be held up or in

1:40:23

contingent due to your absence and kind

1:40:26

of put the city in a hole?

1:40:28

>> Yes. Um we are under timeliness review,

1:40:31

which means over the last 6 years the

1:40:34

city has not drawn down their federal

1:40:36

funds.

1:40:37

And so those funds have to be expended

1:40:40

by August of this year.

1:40:42

Um I have been working over the last 2

1:40:47

weeks. Uh we have a plan. HUD came into

1:40:51

town last month and I met with them. And

1:40:54

I have a plan to make sure that those

1:40:56

dollars are spent down. And what we're

1:40:58

going to do is pay for the soft costs

1:41:01

related to the Broad Street Market.

1:41:04

Those dollars would then go back into

1:41:06

the general fund so that they can be

1:41:08

used for other projects.

1:41:10

>> Okay. And um I had a question for

1:41:12

Antonio. Antonio, would you mind coming

1:41:14

up to the microphone, please?

1:41:32

How you doing, Antonio?

1:41:34

>> I'm doing good. How about

1:41:34

>> If you'd you to state your name for

1:41:36

those in attendance so they know who you

1:41:37

are?

1:41:38

>> Anthony Magna, business administrator's

1:41:39

office.

1:41:40

>> Um so thank you. Um how will your role

1:41:43

be affected or impacted if we lose um

1:41:46

our current director in Ms. Gloria's

1:41:48

position?

1:41:49

>> Absolutely. I've been involved in a a

1:41:50

number of discussions with related to uh

1:41:53

various housing programs that we run at

1:41:54

the city as well as uh the LERTA

1:41:56

process, which is still ongoing as many

1:41:58

of you know. Um

1:42:00

if if Gloria were to not be approved and

1:42:02

we need to step away, that would affect

1:42:04

nearly all of these programs um and

1:42:06

especially the LERTA stuff. So my my

1:42:09

role then would be greatly affected

1:42:11

because I would have to

1:42:13

figure out a way to still continue to

1:42:14

deal with the LERTA applications as they

1:42:16

come in even though I am not the

1:42:18

individual that is supposed to be doing

1:42:19

that. And then we would also have to

1:42:21

find a work around for

1:42:23

how to how the HUD money can be spent or

1:42:25

you know, what the plan would be moving

1:42:26

forward. This would take

1:42:28

This isn't solved in days. This is

1:42:29

solved in weeks or months most likely.

1:42:32

>> So we could potentially pause a lot of

1:42:34

things going for the city.

1:42:35

>> Yes.

1:42:35

>> Oh man. Um then I and I'm I hate to make

1:42:39

it seem like I'm prying. I just I'm

1:42:40

trying to get as much as not very often

1:42:42

that we have both of you in the same

1:42:44

room together. So I'm trying to gather

1:42:45

as much info as I can. Um

1:42:47

and as far as this is my final question,

1:42:49

as far as the ARPA funding, um how has

1:42:51

your office handled the ARPA funding and

1:42:53

has all uh funding that's been allocated

1:42:56

have been distributed to all entities

1:42:58

and groups that which it's supposed to

1:43:00

go to?

1:43:01

>> Thank you. Well, the only ARPA money

1:43:03

that I deal with is what they call the

1:43:05

ARPA home.

1:43:07

And uh when I came on board, there was

1:43:09

no program for the ARPA home.

1:43:13

None whatsoever. So I had to design,

1:43:16

develop, and implement an ARPA

1:43:18

program.

1:43:20

Um so that's in existence. We are

1:43:24

expending those dollars.

1:43:26

Uh we're providing um rehab services to

1:43:30

families in need again based on income.

1:43:34

Low to moderate income. Um we have

1:43:38

um

1:43:40

completed

1:43:41

56 homes.

1:43:43

Um and we have 86

1:43:47

more families waiting.

1:43:49

Uh the reason for the waiting period is

1:43:51

because we share our contractors with

1:43:54

our HRP program and our Alpha Home.

1:43:58

Um although we also since I've been here

1:44:00

increased the number of contractors that

1:44:02

we have, um we have uh 19. Uh 16 of them

1:44:07

are minority contractors.

1:44:10

And um and when I started um

1:44:13

we had nine

1:44:15

I I'm sorry, eight um minority

1:44:18

contractors.

1:44:19

Uh one thing I implemented was a

1:44:21

quarterly meeting with our contractors.

1:44:24

And that was so that we could hear from

1:44:27

them. They can tell us, you know, what

1:44:29

issues they're going through. Sometimes

1:44:31

they have issues with even the people

1:44:33

that they're serving, you know,

1:44:34

rehabbing their homes and so forth. They

1:44:36

don't not necessarily have

1:44:38

know how to handle them. Um I An example

1:44:41

is I have one contractor that um

1:44:44

was rehabbing a home and

1:44:48

um

1:44:49

in the contract it clearly states

1:44:51

there's certain things a contractors

1:44:52

can't do. And that's to prevent them

1:44:55

from having any kind of legal problems

1:44:57

and

1:44:59

with with with us, with the contractors.

1:45:02

These uh

1:45:04

young men and women um do an exemplary

1:45:07

job. And so we try to be as supportive

1:45:11

as we can to them. They are also very

1:45:14

instrumental in bringing in new

1:45:16

contractors. So that's why we have a

1:45:17

quarterly quarterly meeting with them.

1:45:20

We have also implemented a program.

1:45:23

Somebody mentioned something about lead

1:45:25

earlier.

1:45:26

But um in our codes department. Um, I

1:45:29

implemented a program where our lead

1:45:32

program involves our codes officers in

1:45:35

their training so that they know how to

1:45:37

recognize lead.

1:45:40

And how to report it back to our lead

1:45:43

program. And so their own safety as well

1:45:46

as the safety of the homes that they go

1:45:48

into where they where they're doing a

1:45:50

codes inspection. But, now they know

1:45:52

what to look for in terms of lead.

1:45:54

>> All right. Thank you. And uh,

1:45:56

I would have a lot more questions, but

1:45:58

when I sat down I literally found out

1:45:59

you'd be coming in front of us. So, I

1:46:01

tried to get some things together. And

1:46:03

can you uh, because I I'd be remiss if I

1:46:05

didn't ask beings though a lot of the

1:46:07

public comment were geared towards your

1:46:08

qualifications. Um, besides being on

1:46:10

council and former council president,

1:46:12

can you speak to some of your

1:46:13

qualifications that actually uh,

1:46:16

you know, qualify you for your role

1:46:18

currently?

1:46:18

>> Well, I have um, been a consultant to

1:46:22

the federal government. I have served in

1:46:24

state government. Um, and of course sat

1:46:28

on uh, council and the elected school

1:46:31

board and the board of control in the

1:46:32

city of Harrisburg.

1:46:34

Much of my knowledge and skills comes

1:46:36

from sitting on

1:46:38

the

1:46:39

city council.

1:46:41

Because when you do your chairmanship

1:46:45

you should be meeting with staff.

1:46:48

And you should be learning about these

1:46:49

type of programs that the city offers.

1:46:52

In addition to that, as a chief

1:46:54

operating officer, you have to know

1:46:56

about facilities.

1:46:58

And so that plays

1:47:01

very well into what I'm currently doing.

1:47:04

Learning government is important. You

1:47:06

have to know the structure of

1:47:07

government.

1:47:09

When I worked for the Commonwealth of

1:47:10

Pennsylvania, I had the second largest

1:47:12

grant in the health department.

1:47:15

I ran the Bureau of Preventative Health

1:47:16

Programs which had all disease areas

1:47:19

except HIV AIDS.

1:47:21

The knowledge of knowing about those

1:47:23

diseases was not as important as the

1:47:26

knowledge of being able to know how to

1:47:29

work with

1:47:31

other government.

1:47:33

>> Awesome. Thank you. And then you had

1:47:34

mentioned um

1:47:36

something with the contractors. How are

1:47:38

you relaying that information to the

1:47:40

inclusion and compliance office with Ms.

1:47:41

Dina to get that information on her

1:47:43

continuity um document? I was privy to

1:47:46

see it and I think it could be

1:47:47

something, you know, vital that we can

1:47:48

pass down from director to director. So,

1:47:51

how is your office

1:47:52

>> We work very closely

1:47:54

uh with her her office. And as a matter

1:47:57

of fact, um my program manager for the

1:48:01

home program, HRP program, attends those

1:48:04

meetings that she has so that he can

1:48:07

inform our contractors of any type new

1:48:09

policies and procedures

1:48:12

uh related to rehabbing homes, how you

1:48:15

become a contractor for the city.

1:48:18

>> Awesome. Thank you for that. And

1:48:19

Antonio, thank you. I'm sorry to kind of

1:48:20

drag you up here. No further questions,

1:48:22

Madam President.

1:48:24

>> Thank you. Councilwoman Ross, any

1:48:26

questions?

1:48:27

>> Thank you, President Hill, and good

1:48:29

evening, Ms. Martin-Roberts. Thank you

1:48:30

for being here today.

1:48:32

Um

1:48:34

Councilman Rodriguez, I asked you some

1:48:36

of the questions that I had, but you may

1:48:38

expand upon them, especially the one um

1:48:41

about some accomplishments that you've

1:48:44

had while being acting director and

1:48:46

building housing. So, I was wondering if

1:48:49

uh you would like to expand upon that or

1:48:51

there any other accomplishments that you

1:48:53

have had uh while being uh

1:48:56

acting director of

1:48:57

>> I can I have a three-page list

1:49:01

of the things that I have accomplished

1:49:03

since I have been in this role.

1:49:05

I can read every item on this list or I

1:49:08

can provide each of you with a copy of

1:49:10

this. But, this is a actually these are

1:49:13

the things that I was confronted it

1:49:15

when I came, and these are the uh issues

1:49:18

that I have resolved. I have an

1:49:21

excellent and I've developed a excellent

1:49:23

relationship with HUD.

1:49:25

Um I'm going to give an example, another

1:49:27

issue that I was confronted with when I

1:49:29

came in. You're all aware of the TLC

1:49:32

project

1:49:33

uh on Allison Hill, and also the Bethel

1:49:38

project.

1:49:40

And when I came on board, I had a notice

1:49:42

from HUD saying that you are not allowed

1:49:45

to pay for this project.

1:49:47

And of course I was stunned. I didn't

1:49:49

know why.

1:49:50

And when I called the regional

1:49:52

representative,

1:49:54

she said because HUD regulations were

1:49:56

not followed on these programs,

1:49:59

therefore you cannot use any HUD HUD

1:50:02

program funds

1:50:05

to take care of those projects.

1:50:07

I

1:50:09

had a very good conversation with this

1:50:11

person, and I said this wasn't done on

1:50:13

my watch.

1:50:15

These projects are completed. They're

1:50:17

excellent projects.

1:50:20

We need housing for our low-to-moderate

1:50:23

income. This would be a catastrophe.

1:50:27

Um we talked it out. HUD allowed me to

1:50:30

go back and rectify what wasn't done

1:50:32

properly the first time, and I was able

1:50:35

to pay TLC

1:50:38

um both for both projects. They can

1:50:41

confirm that. I have no problem with you

1:50:43

checking on this information.

1:50:45

Um

1:50:47

that's one of the things. Like I said, I

1:50:49

can read this whole three pages if you

1:50:51

want to, but we might be here till

1:50:52

midnight.

1:50:53

So um

1:50:55

>> Uh

1:50:56

just anything if there is anything else

1:50:58

that sticks out to you.

1:50:59

>> Well, our HRP home program, I revised

1:51:03

and implemented new policies and

1:51:05

procedures. We were operating off a

1:51:07

20-year old policies and procedures.

1:51:11

And so we have revised those and makes

1:51:13

it easier for us in terms of getting

1:51:16

services for our contractors, to pay our

1:51:19

contractors, which all of you know that

1:51:22

a long while ago

1:51:24

uh the wrong reasons contractors didn't

1:51:26

want to come into the city is because

1:51:28

they weren't getting paid on time.

1:51:31

So um

1:51:32

we have corrected that problem.

1:51:35

Um

1:51:38

I don't I don't know what else you want

1:51:39

me to say, but they're all here and like

1:51:42

I said I can provide you with this list.

1:51:46

>> I'm fine. You can email me the list. I

1:51:47

mean, the vote's tonight, but you can

1:51:50

you can email it to me, but that's fine

1:51:52

if that's it.

1:51:53

>> email this to you.

1:51:54

>> Um my next question was what brought you

1:51:56

to work for the city of Harrisburg as

1:51:58

the acting director of the building and

1:52:00

housing department?

1:52:02

>> The mayor asked me if I would come in

1:52:05

and direct the department. Um I think

1:52:08

she uh the former director had given

1:52:10

less than 2 weeks.

1:52:12

Um

1:52:13

she was notified that there were several

1:52:16

timelines that had to be met.

1:52:19

And um she asked me if I would come to

1:52:22

work for the city.

1:52:23

I did not give her an immediate answer.

1:52:26

I took my time.

1:52:27

Matter of fact, this when she asked me,

1:52:29

I was in bed with a broken toe and a

1:52:31

sinus infection.

1:52:33

So I did that's how I

1:52:36

was asked to come. The mayor and I have

1:52:38

sat on the elected school board

1:52:40

together. We sat on the elected um

1:52:46

this office together for many years. So

1:52:48

she was aware of my talent skills,

1:52:51

my expertise.

1:52:52

>> Okay. So more as

1:52:54

a favor to come in and work for based

1:52:57

off of your expertise then

1:52:59

>> I didn't consider it a favor. I consider

1:53:02

it a request that she wanted a competent

1:53:04

person to come in

1:53:06

and get the job done.

1:53:08

Okay.

1:53:09

Um

1:53:12

what goals do you have for how the CDBG

1:53:17

funds are used? And I ask that because

1:53:20

uh

1:53:21

in earlier years and even under your

1:53:23

acting director position, they've been

1:53:26

used solely to be given to um

1:53:29

nonprofits, usually the same ones each

1:53:32

and every year. It never really changes.

1:53:35

Um but they can be used for other things

1:53:37

such as infrastructure for our city,

1:53:40

um which a lot of residents don't know

1:53:43

about. So,

1:53:44

if you are confirmed, what

1:53:48

and how would you use that money any

1:53:50

differently than it how it's been used?

1:53:52

>> Well, if you recall, I came before city

1:53:54

council last year, at the end of last

1:53:56

year,

1:53:57

and uh recommended that from beginning

1:54:01

with 2026 funding, that we direct those

1:54:04

funds to the infrastructure of the city.

1:54:06

I provided you with a list of uh

1:54:09

projects

1:54:11

um that uh we were had recommended to

1:54:14

the mayor. She agreed, and

1:54:16

this council also agreed to improve the

1:54:20

infrastructure of the city. Things like

1:54:22

um

1:54:23

better lighting in high-crime areas,

1:54:27

um

1:54:28

doing um

1:54:30

cameras,

1:54:32

uh

1:54:35

just rebuilding our city, our homes,

1:54:38

uh going into the neighborhoods where we

1:54:40

know we have homes that can be rehabbed

1:54:44

to put them back on the tax roll. And

1:54:47

so, we have I met with all of the

1:54:50

department heads when I came here, and

1:54:52

they gave me their wish list.

1:54:55

Improving our play playgrounds is

1:54:58

another initiative. Um so, there's a

1:55:01

whole list of things that we have uh

1:55:04

recommended to council and to the mayor

1:55:06

to do

1:55:07

for the infrastructure. And I might say

1:55:09

that this is happening across the

1:55:11

country, not here. It's just here. It's

1:55:14

happening all over the country where um

1:55:17

municipalities are using their block

1:55:19

grant money to improve infrastructure

1:55:22

because they don't know

1:55:25

how things are going to go in

1:55:26

Washington. That's as delicately as I

1:55:28

can put that.

1:55:30

>> Thank you. I I don't have any further

1:55:32

questions. I just I wanted to ask you

1:55:34

those questions cuz I've been wanting to

1:55:35

ask them to you for over a year or so,

1:55:38

and I think that when confirmations come

1:55:41

down, um we ask these certain questions

1:55:44

to see what is going on in departments,

1:55:47

and I was never really able to ask you

1:55:49

those questions. Um, so thank you. I I

1:55:52

may have another question. I But I think

1:55:55

that's it for now.

1:55:56

>> You're welcome.

1:55:57

>> Mhm.

1:55:58

Thank you, Vice President Jones. Any

1:56:00

question?

1:56:00

>> No questions.

1:56:01

>> Thank you.

1:56:03

Councilwoman Green, any questions?

1:56:05

>> Thank you, President Hill. Good evening,

1:56:07

Ms. Martin Roberts.

1:56:08

>> Good evening.

1:56:08

>> Um, a lot of my questions were asked

1:56:11

along the way. Uh, but I'll just start

1:56:12

with the basic one. What makes you the

1:56:13

fit for this position? Like, why do you

1:56:15

feel like you fit in this position?

1:56:18

>> Because I'm doing a good job for the

1:56:19

city, and my focus is on the residents

1:56:22

of this city. I care about this city.

1:56:25

Um, if you look at what we have

1:56:27

accomplished, cuz I don't accomplish it

1:56:30

by myself, I accomplish it with my

1:56:32

staff.

1:56:33

We have addressed a lot of needs in this

1:56:36

city, and especially homeowners and

1:56:38

senior citizens.

1:56:42

>> Okay.

1:56:43

>> Plus, I will add I have a very creative

1:56:45

mind. So, there are some other things

1:56:47

that we would like to implement in

1:56:48

dealing with the homeless population to

1:56:51

get them off the ground, if you will,

1:56:54

and so forth. So, um I have a very

1:56:56

creative staff. Um we work closely

1:56:59

together.

1:57:00

And um so we have a lot of hope

1:57:03

to be able to improve the things in the

1:57:05

kids city that needs to be improved.

1:57:08

>> All right. Uh you've been in this

1:57:09

position for quite a a little while now.

1:57:11

Um what would you say is your greatest

1:57:13

accomplishment in this position?

1:57:15

>> Keeping our federal funding. And and

1:57:18

with the hope of by doing that

1:57:21

um it will

1:57:23

uh open HUD's eyes and we can continue

1:57:26

to get more federal funding because

1:57:30

if you

1:57:31

if you recall

1:57:32

>> Excuse me.

1:57:33

>> maybe some of you don't know, but we

1:57:35

used to get more funding than we get

1:57:37

now. And over the years it has steadily

1:57:42

decreased.

1:57:43

And so my goal is to see if we can get

1:57:46

that raised back up because we need it.

1:57:49

But we have to prove that we need it by

1:57:51

demonstrating to HUD that we're doing

1:57:53

the right thing in our community that

1:57:55

meets the federal goals.

1:57:59

>> Thank you. And then I think this might

1:58:01

be my last question. If I have more,

1:58:02

they'll come. Um but what are you doing

1:58:06

to build a legacy after you're gone? All

1:58:08

right. So, what are we putting in place

1:58:09

cuz it seems like every time we get a

1:58:11

new director in each position, it's like

1:58:13

the last director didn't do this. I'm

1:58:15

cleaning up this mess. I'm doing this.

1:58:16

What are we doing to stop that because

1:58:18

it seems like every time it's like

1:58:20

starting all over again. It's completely

1:58:21

new. Well, so what standard operating

1:58:23

procedures are being put in place so

1:58:25

that if you hit the lottery tomorrow and

1:58:26

decide that I didn't apply for the job

1:58:28

originally anyway, right? It was I

1:58:30

someone came to me and asked me if I

1:58:31

wanted it. Um so what are you doing to

1:58:34

ensure that that continues on even in

1:58:37

your absence?

1:58:38

>> And that's a good question. Um having

1:58:40

policies and procedures in place is

1:58:42

vital and we're working right now with

1:58:44

our HUD consultants

1:58:46

to uh design federal uh not federal, I'm

1:58:50

sorry, municipal policies and procedures

1:58:53

related to our programs and our

1:58:56

financing.

1:58:58

As a matter of fact, I had a Zoom call

1:59:00

just this afternoon as we were going

1:59:01

through those things. And there will be

1:59:04

policies and procedures where any new

1:59:06

person could come in and know how to

1:59:08

direct that department.

1:59:12

>> Thank you. I think that's all the

1:59:13

questions I have at the moment. Thank

1:59:14

you.

1:59:15

>> You're welcome.

1:59:15

>> Thank you. Councilman Lawson, any

1:59:18

questions?

1:59:19

>> Yes, thank you.

1:59:20

Um

1:59:22

Good evening, Ms. Gloria. Thank you so

1:59:23

much for coming here um before us and um

1:59:28

it's great that we get this opportunity

1:59:30

to speak with you and and see your

1:59:32

vision for your department. Um

1:59:35

When you first uh started speaking to

1:59:37

us, you told us that when you took the

1:59:39

position, you were in trouble because

1:59:41

there was HUD money that hadn't been

1:59:43

spent down. And and we see that uh

1:59:46

you know, with a lot of the money that's

1:59:48

been awarded, it it makes its way out

1:59:50

slowly. Um

1:59:53

What What are you putting in place so

1:59:55

that that is not an issue ongoing?

1:59:59

>> Well, the one thing as I said that it

2:00:01

has not been spent down and I had to

2:00:03

provide HUD with a plan on how we would

2:00:06

spend down that money.

2:00:08

Um and that would be to pay for the soft

2:00:12

cost related to the Broad Street Market.

2:00:15

Um that will put us back on track.

2:00:19

The other thing is with all the

2:00:21

infrastructure projects needed in this

2:00:24

city, we'll be spending like mad people.

2:00:27

>> And and I probably didn't ask it

2:00:29

properly. Um how do we make sure that

2:00:32

that doesn't happen again in the future?

2:00:33

That What I want to make sure is it's

2:00:35

almost um

2:00:36

following up with uh Councilman Green's

2:00:38

question where she said like a

2:00:40

succession plan. Are we putting any

2:00:42

standard operating procedures to say,

2:00:44

"Hey,

2:00:45

we get money that we award, we make sure

2:00:47

that it makes it out so that this way

2:00:49

the people that are are are getting that

2:00:51

award or not waiting

2:00:53

because many of them are making

2:00:54

purchases and making decisions based on

2:00:56

these awards and if it takes years to

2:00:59

for them to get it, you know,

2:01:01

some of the the smaller guys are going

2:01:03

out of business.

2:01:04

And and we want to make sure that we

2:01:06

just keep these things moving fluidly.

2:01:08

>> Well, some things I can control and some

2:01:10

things I can't. So, I the best I can do

2:01:14

is make sure that

2:01:16

with the things that I control and if

2:01:19

they're internal, go to the mayor and

2:01:21

let her know that I'm having difficulty

2:01:23

getting those things controlled.

2:01:26

>> Okay, so was the

2:01:28

the past hold up, was that more of an

2:01:30

internal or or an external

2:01:32

thing that you had to solve? I I

2:01:34

understand you had to come in and it

2:01:35

wasn't your your deal, but was that I I

2:01:38

just want to get it my head around.

2:01:39

>> an internal.

2:01:40

>> an internal. So, that's something that

2:01:42

you could, let's say if that were to you

2:01:45

know, whatever HUD funds are awarded

2:01:46

this year.

2:01:47

You have processes in place that you can

2:01:49

say, "Okay, we'll make sure that this

2:01:50

can make it out there." Because that's

2:01:53

>> as long as the person making that

2:01:55

decision follows those guidelines. Yes.

2:01:58

>> Okay.

2:01:59

>> But but I can assure you of one thing,

2:02:01

HUD doesn't linger when it's time to

2:02:04

notify us that we're doing something

2:02:06

wrong.

2:02:07

>> Right.

2:02:07

>> they're on it and and they they give you

2:02:10

time for correction.

2:02:12

And so the person in the seat has to be

2:02:14

mindful of that and make sure that you

2:02:17

meet those timeliness schedules given by

2:02:20

HUD.

2:02:21

>> Okay, thank you.

2:02:22

>> You're welcome.

2:02:23

>> And then um

2:02:25

there there was a comment of your your

2:02:28

work history not matching up directly

2:02:30

with this position.

2:02:32

Is there anything within your past work

2:02:34

history that you say, "Hey,

2:02:37

this teaches me how to work with the the

2:02:40

the federal government as far as funding

2:02:42

and and the like of that. And if you can

2:02:44

expand on that just a little bit more.

2:02:45

>> Well, with with the federal government,

2:02:47

I've done workforce development. I've

2:02:49

done welfare to work.

2:02:51

Um I have done um I've been a chief

2:02:55

operating officer.

2:02:57

Uh which includes dealing with

2:02:59

facilities

2:03:01

and um a lot of other issues that

2:03:05

uh

2:03:05

home like the rehabs and things like

2:03:08

that. It all comes into play.

2:03:11

Well, I'm going to say this. In any new

2:03:12

position that a person comes in, not one

2:03:15

person can know everything, and you do

2:03:17

have a learning curve.

2:03:19

The value that I bring is that I know

2:03:21

how to work with government. I know how

2:03:22

to develop and I have developed

2:03:25

relationships with HUD.

2:03:27

And uh that's been very very

2:03:29

instrumental for being able to clean up

2:03:31

a lot of stuff.

2:03:33

>> Okay, great. And

2:03:36

that that's everything that I have then.

2:03:38

Thank you.

2:03:39

>> You're welcome.

2:03:41

>> Thank you.

2:03:42

Um I didn't have any questions

2:03:44

initially, but as you were speaking and

2:03:46

responding to some of the other

2:03:48

questions that were asked, I do have a

2:03:50

few.

2:03:52

Uh my first one is and maybe this isn't

2:03:54

a question for you, but I'm still going

2:03:56

to ask. Why did it take a motion for

2:03:59

contempt for Ms. Gloria Martin Roberts

2:04:02

to come before council for a vote?

2:04:09

Okay, no response. I'll move to my

2:04:11

second question.

2:04:13

Housing and health care are different

2:04:15

industries. Would you agree?

2:04:18

>> I would agree.

2:04:18

>> Okay, thank you.

2:04:20

>> Except that in health care

2:04:23

it is broad

2:04:25

because you do have people in health

2:04:27

care

2:04:28

that need housing assistance

2:04:31

that that are mentally ill

2:04:35

that may need that are homeless

2:04:38

that have a litany of health issues that

2:04:42

cause them has a rippling effect on the

2:04:45

quality of their life.

2:04:47

And so, with certain things, yes.

2:04:50

But there's also areas within health

2:04:53

care that marry

2:04:56

housing, economic development.

2:05:00

>> But you noted that they are different

2:05:02

industries. My next question is or

2:05:04

comment rather, you mentioned creative

2:05:07

staff. Ms. Moore was once a a creative

2:05:11

staffer within your department. You came

2:05:13

before Council and you said gave her

2:05:16

glowing recommendation during a meeting.

2:05:18

So, I just wanted to note that. You

2:05:20

mentioned that your greatest

2:05:21

accomplishment is is keeping federal

2:05:24

funding. But isn't maintaining federal

2:05:27

funding a baseline function of the role?

2:05:30

>> It is, but I also need to remind you

2:05:34

that we wouldn't do that if we're not

2:05:36

going to do our job accurately. If we

2:05:39

don't

2:05:40

have a good relationship with HUD. And

2:05:43

it's not just keeping it, but it's also

2:05:45

increasing it, which is a goal of mine.

2:05:49

>> Okay, so isn't it an indictment on your

2:05:51

nearly two-year tenure in the role that

2:05:55

your biggest accomplishment is

2:05:57

maintaining federal funds that you

2:05:59

haven't spent?

2:06:01

>> I've never had a job where I felt

2:06:02

indicted.

2:06:03

>> Okay.

2:06:04

>> And it wasn't me that didn't spend down

2:06:06

those monies. I was notified by HUD that

2:06:09

those monies had not been spent down.

2:06:11

And as soon as I was notified, I took

2:06:13

action to correct the problem.

2:06:15

>> Okay, one final question. I don't know

2:06:17

if this is for you, but don't you think

2:06:19

it was improper for the mayor to wait

2:06:22

645

2:06:24

days before Council had an opportunity

2:06:28

to provide advice and consent? Do you

2:06:31

agree that the mayor should follow the

2:06:33

law?

2:06:34

>> I think that everybody should follow the

2:06:36

law, but I will say this, that question

2:06:38

should go to the mayor. I don't

2:06:40

supervise her.

2:06:41

>> Well, I said I don't know if you are the

2:06:43

appropriate person to respond to this

2:06:46

question, but I will ask anyway.

2:06:49

Are there any other questions, comments,

2:06:51

or concerns related to resolution 17 of

2:06:54

2026?

2:06:56

>> Yes, President Hill. Thank you.

2:06:59

As the building and housing

2:07:01

um chair, I have met with

2:07:04

um Director Martin Roberts on several

2:07:08

occasions. So, I was pretty I'm pretty

2:07:10

much aware of

2:07:13

what has been going on

2:07:15

and um how she has

2:07:18

developed the apart the department since

2:07:21

she's been here. Um

2:07:24

I was impressed with the team building

2:07:27

efforts that she made. Everyone was

2:07:29

aware of what's going on, and everyone's

2:07:31

aware of

2:07:33

each

2:07:35

uh project.

2:07:38

So, I just want to

2:07:42

commend her for the job that she's done

2:07:45

since she's been here.

2:07:55

>> You know, I want to say thank you for

2:07:58

being willing to step in

2:08:01

and learn whatever skills you

2:08:04

didn't know.

2:08:06

That speaks volumes. I know uh

2:08:10

I'm military.

2:08:12

I'm a nurse.

2:08:15

You know, I have done other

2:08:18

um

2:08:20

jobs since, you know, coming here, prior

2:08:24

to coming here. And there are skills

2:08:27

that I have to learn to perform my job

2:08:30

as a public servant and I am willing and

2:08:33

I am doing them. So,

2:08:35

um

2:08:36

having a learning curve

2:08:38

is not a bad thing, but it's important

2:08:42

that

2:08:43

we're willing and I'm thankful to you

2:08:46

that you have been willing to serve the

2:08:48

residents as you have. So, thank you.

2:08:52

>> Thank you. Thank you. If there are no

2:08:54

further questions, comments, or concerns

2:08:57

related to resolution Councilman

2:08:59

Rodriguez.

2:09:00

>> Thank you, Madam President. Um I guess

2:09:02

this question could be for either

2:09:03

Antonio or Solicitor Grover. Just wanted

2:09:06

to address the

2:09:09

the possible detriment if any. Um let's

2:09:11

say if Ms. Glorimar Martin Roberts does

2:09:14

not get the affirmation, how long do you

2:09:16

project uh a possible rehiring and how

2:09:19

long of a backlog of work do you foresee

2:09:21

that becoming?

2:09:24

Antonio or Solicitor Grover.

2:09:27

>> Um I mean, it's impossible to know how

2:09:28

long it would take for it to hire

2:09:30

someone. I can say that uh it's uh it's

2:09:33

a rare person you come by that has the

2:09:34

skills to be able to navigate both a

2:09:37

municipal government and the federal

2:09:39

government and create a good

2:09:40

relationship with HUD and stop the the

2:09:42

potential of losing our funding and try

2:09:44

to build a relationship on that. So, um

2:09:47

it would take some time. I can't give a

2:09:49

timeline. As far as work, um again, this

2:09:52

would probably back us up months at a

2:09:54

minimum because uh it would we'd have to

2:09:56

figure out uh what we can and cannot do

2:09:59

without a director for the HUD money and

2:10:01

uh

2:10:02

who would be in charge of which sections

2:10:03

of that, who how do we spend it, what

2:10:06

what policies are remain in place, don't

2:10:08

remain in place. I mean, it just all

2:10:08

depends. Uh I don't have any like direct

2:10:11

answers for that. This would have This

2:10:13

would obviously have to involve

2:10:14

conversations with HUD, but I expect at

2:10:16

least several months.

2:10:17

>> Several. All right. That's all I have.

2:10:18

Thank you.

2:10:18

>> Was that an appropriate question for the

2:10:21

special assistant in the business

2:10:23

administrator's office to respond to

2:10:25

Solicitor Grover?

2:10:30

>> Oh, I'm sorry.

2:10:31

>> Well, she's standing outside.

2:10:37

>> I believe the question was put to him if

2:10:39

he could advise how long it would take.

2:10:43

I think it anyone can just take a guess

2:10:45

at how long it would take.

2:10:46

>> Okay, thank you. There are no further

2:10:48

questions

2:10:50

for Ms. Martin Roberts?

2:10:53

>> I I don't have a question. It's probably

2:10:56

more of a comment. I

2:11:00

And it's been said and I know Mr. Kelly

2:11:01

stood up and he um also spoke on how you

2:11:05

have been on City Council. Mayor

2:11:07

Williams has been on City Council. Both

2:11:09

of you have been presidents

2:11:11

of City Council. Correct? I'm not wrong,

2:11:14

right? Okay.

2:11:17

And I think I think the thing that gets

2:11:19

me the most if is you both have stood in

2:11:21

these leadership positions.

2:11:24

And

2:11:26

if any mayor

2:11:29

had waited 600 odd days to bring down a

2:11:34

confirmation to you.

2:11:38

I know you all would have been livid.

2:11:42

You would have stood your ground. You

2:11:44

would have asked why they didn't come

2:11:46

down.

2:11:48

And I think what gets me the most is you

2:11:52

want us to

2:11:54

not stand our ground. You want us to

2:11:57

allow it to happen. You want us to allow

2:11:59

the law to be broken and it's okay.

2:12:03

And

2:12:04

I respect you as coming in to help our

2:12:08

department when our um

2:12:11

former building and housing director had

2:12:14

stepped aside.

2:12:16

And I remember you and I had a

2:12:17

conversation and I said, "Thank you for

2:12:19

coming in to help because if the mayor

2:12:21

called you in to help, please,

2:12:23

we need it." But I never knew when the

2:12:25

role turned in from being acting and

2:12:28

helping to now it's permanent, but we're

2:12:31

not going to send her down to be

2:12:33

confirmed. Why? I don't know.

2:12:36

And now you're coming down because the

2:12:39

mayor was held in contempt. And once

2:12:42

again, we're being asked to do something

2:12:45

you all would have never allowed to

2:12:47

happen under Mayor Reed, under Pat

2:12:49

Fennell, under anybody.

2:12:53

>> May I ask for a response to that?

2:12:54

Because I don't think it's fair that you

2:12:58

believe

2:13:00

what I would do or not do.

2:13:02

>> Oh, you're right. You You You know what?

2:13:03

You may have not took a stand at all.

2:13:06

So, you did That's true. You are right.

2:13:08

I cannot assume that you would have

2:13:10

stood up and

2:13:12

defended

2:13:14

the law in that way. That's I That's

2:13:16

correct, and I do apologize for assuming

2:13:18

that of you. I did assume that, so I

2:13:20

will I will retract that, and I will

2:13:22

leave that comment where it is. I just

2:13:24

figured since and that's my assumption,

2:13:27

and people tell me, "Don't assume. Don't

2:13:29

assume."

2:13:30

That because you are the legislative

2:13:32

branch, you also checks and balance, and

2:13:35

when something's unbalanced, you check

2:13:37

it, especially when it comes to the law.

2:13:39

So, I do apologize. I don't have any

2:13:41

comments. Thank you.

2:13:42

>> Thank you.

2:13:46

>> I will entertain a motion to resume our

2:13:49

legislative session.

2:13:51

>> So moved.

2:13:51

>> Is there a second?

2:13:52

>> Second.

2:13:53

>> Thank you. Before us, we have Resolution

2:13:56

17 of 2026. Mr. Truesdale, could you

2:13:59

please read it into the record one last

2:14:01

time?

2:14:05

>> Resolution 17, 2026. A resolution

2:14:09

confirming the appointment of Gloria

2:14:10

Morgan Roberts to serve as director of

2:14:13

the Department of Building and Housing

2:14:15

Development for the city of Harrisburg.

2:14:17

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

2:14:19

any final questions, comments, or

2:14:21

concerns related to resolution 17 of

2:14:25

2026?

2:14:26

>> Yes, I have a comment.

2:14:28

>> Vice President Jones.

2:14:29

>> Thank you.

2:14:30

Um

2:14:31

my comment is this, simple as this.

2:14:34

I'm going to reintroduce myself to my

2:14:36

city.

2:14:37

My name is Lamont Jones.

2:14:39

I am not fearful of anyone, of their

2:14:42

votes, or anything that of that nature.

2:14:45

I came here for a reason, to do a job. I

2:14:49

said I would do it with fidelity.

2:14:51

I said I would uphold our city's

2:14:54

uh codes, our state's constitution, and

2:14:56

also the government's constitution. I've

2:14:59

been to a place where I have broken the

2:15:01

law, and I have been held accountable.

2:15:04

I've took myself and cleaned myself up,

2:15:08

and fought. I did not ask permission to

2:15:10

be a part of the status quo.

2:15:14

I did not ask permission to be a part of

2:15:17

the status quo.

2:15:19

And it showed when I went to court in my

2:15:21

community that I stood in for 10 years

2:15:24

on these playgrounds, in these schools,

2:15:27

with no money

2:15:29

to support this community and these

2:15:30

children.

2:15:32

I was attacked online

2:15:34

during my mayoral campaign.

2:15:37

I will be attacked again when I run for

2:15:40

re-election next year. I am totally

2:15:42

aware,

2:15:44

yet I am not afraid.

2:15:47

I know

2:15:49

that if some of the people that are in

2:15:51

this room today,

2:15:53

I got to give you respect for your

2:15:55

30-plus years of service

2:15:58

of this community.

2:16:00

As I shared with you, Madam Mayor,

2:16:02

I am only standing on your shoulders.

2:16:05

When you saw that Mayor Reed was out of

2:16:08

line,

2:16:09

you stood up.

2:16:11

And I commend you because that's what we

2:16:12

need. That's what leadership is. You

2:16:14

can't be afraid. You can't be the only

2:16:17

leader. You have to create more.

2:16:19

You have to create more.

2:16:22

And I just think that the respect level

2:16:25

has been this It's a lot of disrespect

2:16:27

that's been happening in our community

2:16:29

from both sides.

2:16:31

And I do not want to disrespect you.

2:16:34

This is nothing you're going to hear

2:16:35

online cuz I don't post.

2:16:38

I'm saying to you, I have the utmost

2:16:40

respect to you and in your servitude for

2:16:42

our city.

2:16:44

But I cannot support this resolution for

2:16:46

the disrespect that was held for this

2:16:48

body.

2:16:49

For this body, not for LaMont Jones.

2:16:53

For this body

2:16:54

that has been overlooked, circumvented,

2:16:58

and disrespected.

2:17:01

You were council president. I watched

2:17:03

you serve, not in those times, but I

2:17:05

went back and did my own work.

2:17:08

And I watched who sat here.

2:17:11

And we would not be here today

2:17:14

if some of those individuals stood up

2:17:17

when Mayor Reed took us into a $600

2:17:21

million deficit.

2:17:23

This is a seat of of a vanguard.

2:17:26

We are protecting the taxpayers'

2:17:28

dollars.

2:17:31

And I just want to say again to my

2:17:32

community, I am sorry that we had to go

2:17:35

through all of this only to get a

2:17:38

resolution

2:17:40

to this community to to properly confirm

2:17:44

advice and consent an individual that

2:17:48

was appointed, which was

2:17:50

well within the mayor's power.

2:17:53

The mayor has a tough job.

2:17:55

City Council has a tough job, but you

2:17:57

can't be afraid and you can't bend down

2:18:00

in the face of adversity.

2:18:03

You have to stand up.

2:18:05

So, today

2:18:07

I I my apology is to the community.

2:18:11

That's all I'm going to apologize for,

2:18:13

but my vote I cannot support it just for

2:18:15

the disrespect and the way we did not

2:18:18

follow the law in this position in this

2:18:20

particular situation. When I did not

2:18:22

follow the law, I served time in a state

2:18:25

penitentiary for it.

2:18:27

And I couldn't take nobody with me. I

2:18:29

had to go on my own.

2:18:32

So, today I'm just saying this is I'm

2:18:34

not doing this I'm not doing this for

2:18:36

for for cheers or anything. This is real

2:18:39

serious to me because I am tired of our

2:18:41

community going through this. Why us? We

2:18:44

have a a black administration, we have a

2:18:46

black council. We have to stop fighting

2:18:49

like this and move our city.

2:18:52

Move our city. That's it. That's all I

2:18:54

ask. I have no more things to say.

2:18:58

>> Thank you. Are there any other comments

2:19:01

related to resolution 17 of 2026?

2:19:06

I have one, so please bear with me.

2:19:09

Ms. Gloria Martin Roberts was hired on

2:19:11

June 4th, 2024.

2:19:14

On June

2:19:16

June 3rd, 2024. On June 4th, 2024, Ms.

2:19:20

Gloria Martin Roberts participated in a

2:19:22

work session where she introduced

2:19:24

herself as the interim director of

2:19:26

economic development and building and

2:19:28

housing.

2:19:30

She was present to discuss at that time

2:19:32

resolution 28 of 2024,

2:19:35

which was a resolution appointing her to

2:19:38

serve on the board of directors of the

2:19:40

Harrisburg Housing Authority, where she

2:19:42

received a unanimous vote of seven to

2:19:45

zero.

2:19:47

As of today, Tuesday, March 10th, 2026,

2:19:50

Ms. Gloria Martin Roberts has been

2:19:52

serving as the interim director of the

2:19:56

building and housing and economic

2:19:58

development for the city of Harrisburg

2:20:00

for 645 days, 21 months, and 92 weeks.

2:20:05

I would like to note a list

2:20:08

of dates

2:20:09

and invitations that were extended to

2:20:11

Ms. Martin-Roberts to attend and

2:20:13

participate in Harrisburg City Council

2:20:16

meetings. I've shared this list before,

2:20:18

but I think it is pertinent to tonight's

2:20:20

discussion. On June 4th, 2024, there was

2:20:24

a work session.

2:20:26

Ms. Gloria Martin-Roberts confirmed her

2:20:29

attendance and she participated. On

2:20:32

July 2nd, 2024, there was a work session

2:20:36

regarding resolution 41 of 2025,

2:20:40

which discussed the 2024 annual action

2:20:43

plan. She confirmed her attendance.

2:20:46

July 30th, 2024,

2:20:50

there was a special legislative session

2:20:52

to discuss the annual action plan. She

2:20:54

confirmed her attendance. On September

2:20:57

3rd, 2024, there was a work session

2:21:00

where resolution 47 of 2024

2:21:03

was discussed. She cited having a

2:21:05

commitment that evening

2:21:08

of September 3rd and she was unable to

2:21:11

attend.

2:21:12

On September 10th, 2024, there was a

2:21:15

legislative session where resolution 47

2:21:19

of 2024

2:21:20

was discussed further. She confirmed her

2:21:23

attendance. September 17th, 2024 work

2:21:26

session, this was ARPA funds update. She

2:21:29

cited a prior arrangement to attend

2:21:32

another program elsewhere. She could not

2:21:35

participate. This This meeting was

2:21:37

specifically to discuss ARPA funding

2:21:39

that was in the

2:21:42

building and housing department. October

2:21:44

1st, 2024, we extended a work session

2:21:48

invitation to discuss the status updates

2:21:50

on ARPA programs. Saahir Willingham

2:21:53

emailed noting that Miss Martin-Roberts

2:21:56

was not well, would not be able to

2:21:58

attend. However, she had previously

2:22:00

confirmed her attendance on September

2:22:03

27th, 2024.

2:22:06

A work session held on December 9th,

2:22:08

2024 to discuss Bill 9 of 2024,

2:22:12

that was the Alerta extension, she

2:22:14

confirmed her attendance. December 12th,

2:22:17

2024, that was a bill budget hearing,

2:22:20

she confirmed her attendance.

2:22:23

January 7th, 2025,

2:22:26

there was a work session invitation

2:22:27

extended to discuss activities related

2:22:30

to ARPA funding.

2:22:32

The former business administrator

2:22:35

responded stating that interim director

2:22:38

Martin-Roberts would not be attending,

2:22:41

and she provided detailed

2:22:43

a detailed written report for Q3 of 2024

2:22:48

in her quarterly report.

2:22:52

July 1st, 2025, annual action plan

2:22:55

invitation. Interim director

2:22:57

Martin-Roberts noted inability to attend

2:23:00

due to a previously scheduled vacation.

2:23:04

July 29th, 2025, special legislative

2:23:08

session. This was to discuss the 2025

2:23:12

annual action plan, she confirmed her

2:23:14

attendance. September 10th, 2025, there

2:23:17

was a special policy work session

2:23:19

related to ARPA funding, she attended.

2:23:22

December 8th, 2025, a budget hearing,

2:23:26

she attended. December 9th, 2025, a work

2:23:29

session discussing Bill 14 of 2025,

2:23:33

Alerta

2:23:34

extension, she confirmed her attendance.

2:23:38

I will be voting no on this resolution

2:23:41

simply because

2:23:43

it's a violation of the law. 645

2:23:46

days, 21 months, and 92 weeks in an

2:23:50

interim director role. It's merely

2:23:53

unacceptable and I just don't understand

2:23:55

and nobody can answer my question as to

2:23:58

why it took a motion for contempt for

2:24:01

Ms. Gloria Martin Roberts to come before

2:24:03

council for a vote.

2:24:05

Mr. Truesdale, call the vote.

2:24:09

>> Ms. Davis?

2:24:10

>> Yes.

2:24:12

>> Ms. Green?

2:24:13

>> Yes.

2:24:15

>> Mr. Jones?

2:24:16

>> Nay.

2:24:18

>> Mr. Lawson?

2:24:19

>> Yes.

2:24:22

>> Ms. Rose?

2:24:23

>> No, because the law was violated.

2:24:26

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

2:24:27

>> Yes.

2:24:29

>> Ms. Hill?

2:24:31

>> No.

2:24:32

>> Resolution 17 of 2026 passes by vote of

2:24:35

four to three.

2:24:44

>> Is there any old business for

2:24:46

discussion?

2:24:48

Any new business? The time is 8:27 p.m.

2:24:52

I will entertain a motion to adjourn.

2:24:54

>> So moved.

2:24:55

>> Is there a second?

2:24:55

>> Second.

2:24:57

>> We stand adjourned.

2:24:59

>> No, it's over.

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