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Harrisburg City Zoning Hearing Board Meeting - 07/21/25

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this evening. This is the uh zoning

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hearing board uh meeting for July uh

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21st, 2025 for the city of Harrisburg.

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Uh we have a rather large agenda uh this

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evening. Um before we start, I just want

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to uh go over some ground rules. Um

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they're the same ones each time. Uh I

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just want everybody to know that we have

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a court reporter here. Uh the court

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reporter stenographers taken down every

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uh everybody's uh what everybody says

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word for word. Uh this is done just in

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case there's an appeal to the court of

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common please. So we want to make sure

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that we don't talk over uh another

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person or if we answer a question we

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enunciate the answer and not shake our

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head up and down. Um, everybody uh here

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who resides or owns uh property uh uh in

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the city or uh close to the property and

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has something legally relevant to say

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will be able to participate in each one

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of the various hearings uh as they apply

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to each uh individual.

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Um the first uh matter we're going to

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address this evening is going to be uh

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application uh 2610.

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It's uh last on the agenda. Um

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this is uh the application concerning

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the property located at 508 and 510

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North Second Street. And uh this is a uh

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continuence request. Um, I just indicate

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that uh to the board that uh we received

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a uh letter from the applicant

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requesting that this matter be continued

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to the August 18th uh 2025 zoning

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hearing board meeting. So, I'd like to

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um ask for a motion uh uh for the

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acceptance of this continuance request

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and it'll be on next month's meeting.

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18.

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>> Is there a second?

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>> Second.

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>> All those in favor signify by saying I.

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>> I.

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>> Okay.

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So the uh first order of uh business

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will be old business uh application

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number 2603. This is a variance

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application

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uh for uh 1951 Hurst Street. Um

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and uh for the record for this hearing,

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I'll just uh indicate that we have two

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uh board members here. uh Claude Fipps

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who is our chair and James Hobbs uh who

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is uh the vice chair of the board. Um so

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with that, do we have a a representative

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of uh the applicant in this matter?

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Okay.

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Um,

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I'll also note for the representing the

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city's solicitor's office is TIA Cameron

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is present here this evening. Um, we'll

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start out uh by uh swearing in uh

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witnesses. Um, Mr. Knight, do you want

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to uh state your uh your position uh

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with the city um and then uh we'll swear

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you in?

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>> Yes. Uh I'm the planning director.

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>> Okay.

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Um would you uh raise your right hand?

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Uh do you swear or affirm that the

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testimony you're about to give before

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this board is the truth and nothing but

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the truth?

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>> I do.

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>> And uh do you agree that uh that you

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will be sworn in for each of the meeting

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uh hearings this evening?

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>> Yes.

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>> Okay.

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Um, and then, um, sir, uh, would you

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like to, uh, um, tell us your name,

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spell your last name?

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>> My name is Dennis. B O Y E R.

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>> Okay. And, um, what is your are you the

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applicant in this matter?

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>> No, I'm not. and the uh owner of the

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sign company in reading that's going to

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be hopefully installing the sign.

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>> Okay.

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Um would you uh please raise your right

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hand? Do you swear or affirm that the

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testimony that you will be giving to

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this board this evening is the truth and

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nothing but the truth?

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>> I do.

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>> Okay. Um Mr. Uh Knight, do you want to

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give us a um a summary of this

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application and indicate what zone the

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property's located and such? Uh yes. So,

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uh the uh case for 2603

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um is a

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variance application for a sign larger

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than permitted by right uh in the

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commercial neighborhood zoning district

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in which the building uh to which the

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sign will be affixed is located. Uh the

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applicant is proposing a 50 square foot

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sign when a 25 square foot sign is

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permitted by right. Um this uh property

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uh has been undergoing some changes in

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the last few years. Uh it originally um

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was two properties uh 1933 and 1951

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Hurst Street. uh 1933 had a diner on it

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and 1951 had a a small gas station uh a

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canopy with uh islands with gas pumps on

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them. Um uh two years ago the applicants

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uh proposed and received approval for a

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project to demolish both properties,

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consolidate the lots into a single

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parcel uh and build a new larger uh gas

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station on the property with the uh

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pumps pump islands and canopy at the

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eastern end of the site and uh a

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convenience store building at the

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western end of the site. Um in this case

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there uh are actually fairly unique

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circumstances uh for the property um

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because the two uh lots that previously

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comprise the the property the project

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site

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are located in different zoning

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districts. um 1933 Hurst Street uh which

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is the uh portion of the property on

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which the building uh that the uh sign

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in question is located was in the

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commercial neighborhood zoning district

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and 1951 Hurst Street was in the

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industrial zoning district. Um in during

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their reconstruction of the uh site uh

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into an improved uh gas station with

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convenience store. Um the applicants

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were limited to where they could put uh

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the gas station, pumps, islands, and

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canopy, and the uh convenience store uh

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due to the fact that they needed to have

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access um from Arsenal Boulevard and

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from 20th Street. Uh so the gas pumps

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needed to be at the eastern end of the

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site in the industrial zoning district,

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which left the convenience store being

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in the uh commercial neighborhood zoning

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district. So despite the two properties

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being uh conjoined into a single lot uh

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the split zoning remained um and uh this

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it's this condition um that essentially

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creates the justification for the

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applicant's request. Uh the applicants

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did not have the uh option based again

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on the configuration of the site and the

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necessary vehicular access of putting

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the store at the eastern end of the site

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uh where the proposed signage would have

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been permitted by right with the gas

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pumps being at the western end. Um so uh

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from the planning bureau's perspective

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it's a fairly straightforward request

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with uh a simple justification and the

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uh planning commission recommended the

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zoning hearing board approved the

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request for the following reasons. Site

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features conditions that justify the

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requested zoning relief including a

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complicated intersection and extensive

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street furniture including utility

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poles, traffic control poles and

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signage. Uh the applicant did not have

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the option of constructing the

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convenience store in the INDZONE portion

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of the property which would have

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permitted the proposed signage by right

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as the site design is necessary to allow

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appropriate vehicular access and

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circulation. Uh the proposed signage

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represents a minor deviation from the

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zoning code to allow visibility and

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legibility for drivers traveling along

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her street. And finally, the proposed

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signage would not be out of character

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for this portion of her street.

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>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. uh Knight. Is there

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anybody else here before uh we go any

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further? Um that any citizens here uh

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relative to this matter? Just want to

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identify him ahead of time. Oh, you are

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okay. We'll we'll get to you. I just

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wanted to make sure someone someone if

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someone was here so that we know. I'm

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going to mark a few exhibits and then

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we'll have uh Mr. uh then then we'll

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we'll move forward. Um, I'm going to

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pre-mark exhibits uh starting with

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exhibit uh B1. Uh B1 was the original uh

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email that uh where this matter was uh

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continued u from last meeting. Exhibit

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B2 is a proof of publication.

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Uh the time and place and particular

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nature of this matter was published in

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the Patriot News on June 1st and June

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8th, 2025.

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B3 is a letter dated July 17, 2025 from

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the planning director uh Jeffrey Knight

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to the applicant notifying the applicant

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of the time and place of the hearing.

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Exhibit B4 was the hearing notice which

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was posted upon the property in

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question. Uh there was uh exhibit B5 is

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the applicant's not uh notification

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letters to required neighbors

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application or uh exhibit number exhibit

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B6 is the application packet with plans

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uh for the proposal. Uh exhibit B7 is

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the letter of um the applicant designing

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signature signs as the representative

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for this hearing. Uh board exhibit

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number eight is the affidavit of the

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property owner uh authorizing the

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applicant to pursue the zoning uh

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application. Uh exhibit B9 is the deed

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to the property. Exhibit B10 is the

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planning bureau case report and exhibit

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uh B11 is the city of Harrisburg uh

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planning commission resolution.

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So the to the individual that was here

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earlier, could you identify yourself?

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from the developer. Okay. So, are you

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here in favor of this application? Okay.

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All right.

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Mr. Ber, would you like to present your

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case?

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>> U Well, I have a few things to say here.

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I mean, I

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obviously the whole contention here is

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because of the zoning of the two

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properties. That's where the issue

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became an issue, let's say. And I I did

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the square footage of the front of the

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building and the square footage at the

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front of the building is 1,084

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square feet

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and the design that we're proposing is

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50 square ft. So, which is 4.6%

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of this building front, which is a very

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small small percentage of the building

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front. I know that the zoning for that

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district is only 25 square

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And I don't I don't see any issues with

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it. It fits in the building and the spec

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of the building which of course the

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planning commission agreed with all

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that. That's why they approved it. Um

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the to me it's it's just a simple

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process. I mean I don't think it's

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complicated. I don't think there's any

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issues. I don't think there's any body

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that would complain about this or object

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to it.

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So the

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I don't know what else to say. I mean I

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think it's in my way of putting it. It's

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kind of like a

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an issue that should be approved and um

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move on to better and bigger and better

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things. That's basically what I could

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say. I don't know what else to tell you

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or to say.

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>> Um could you tell us why a 25 foot

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square foot sign would be inadequate at

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this location.

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>> Well, it's it's just that much smaller.

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I mean, if you take that for instance,

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it would be 2.6 square feet of the front

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of the building. You kind of would get

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lost. I mean, it's like a posting stamp

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on there for 25 square feet. When you

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think about the total square foot of the

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front of that building, that's I mean,

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it's even though to be honest with you,

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the 50 square feet is adequate, but that

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isn't as big as it I would think it even

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should be. But um in the position of it

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though, it's going on a on a position on

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the building where it's where it's nice.

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It looks proportional. There's nothing

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objectionable to the view of it on the

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building. And

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I don't think that 50 square feet is

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objectionable. At 25 square feet, it

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would be like I said, kind of like a

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postage stamp on that building.

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And like I said, I mean, here's a

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developer that did exactly what they

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did, could not put this building on the

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right zoning property because of the

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pumps. So, they were forced to put it

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here. And I think that the board should

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grant the parents for them to put the

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sign 50 square feet.

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>> Does the board have any questions?

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Yeah, sure. If you want to come up to

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the microphone, please identify

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yourself.

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>> Hi. Um, my name is Jennifer. I'm not um

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I actually didn't come here for that.

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Just wanted to see the process because

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I'm coming next month. But I'm very

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familiar with the um property with the

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job site. I own 1939 BOAS which is

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directly behind the site. Um and I just

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wanted to say first off what they are

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doing is it's it's very nice. Um I the

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area it was bad before what was there

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before the the diner and the previous

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gas station. and it was very rand, very

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deteriorated.

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Um, with how big the building is, I

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believe if they put the sign, the

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smaller sign, the 25 ft 25 square feet

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sign because of the intersection, the

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street that it's at when you're coming

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down, um, 20th is on the left and then

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it becomes a oneway. Uh, what is it?

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Arsenal becomes a oneway and then her

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comes up. a smaller sign, someone that's

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that doesn't see in time that this is a

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convenience store and they're going,

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they need a convenience store, it may

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cause um an accident or traffic

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violations if they try to turn too fast

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because they didn't see the sign ahead

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of time. Um again, because of the

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complicated it's it's becomes a oneway,

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but then you could turn left also into

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it. So, as someone from the

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neighborhood, I would be in favor of a

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bigger sign to alert someone that's

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looking for a convenience store that's

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driving past to alert them in time so

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they can turn on their blinkers and turn

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on 20th Street, which is how they would

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be able to turn onto this. And if

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they're coming from her street, they

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wouldn't actually see the sign if it was

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that small because it would be on the

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right hand side and it kind of blocks it

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the angle. they wouldn't be able to see

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it if it was that small. And again, they

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would try to make a turn last minute and

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it may create accidents or other traffic

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violations um because of the if they

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didn't see it in time.

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>> That was it.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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questions.

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Are there any traffic

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coming off making?

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>> Uh yes. So there is a um uh traffic

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light on the far side of that

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intersection. So basically along this

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property uh if you're coming from uh

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Arsenal Boulevard. Um so there's uh the

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traffic light. There's uh some street

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lights and there's some utility poles uh

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along that frontage of the property with

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um her street.

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reason I'm trying to get

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that

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cut that

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You're saying

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even though it's lit and it's

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electronic.

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>> Correct.

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>> What what you have to realize is that 25

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or the 50 square feet is the out

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dimension of the sign. Totally right to

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left, totally top to bottom. That does

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not have anything to do with the

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lettering. in that square footage. So

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basically, you take a 25 square foot

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sign, increase it to 50 square feet, the

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letters can get twice as big, which is

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twice as noticeable. That's basically

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the whole context there.

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>> Mr. night. Was there any conditions that

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the planning commission placed on uh

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their

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recommendation of approval?

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>> Uh there were none. The pro the proposed

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sign is otherwise in conformance uh with

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the illumination um and it's not going

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to have movable uh animation on the

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sign. So it's otherwise in conformance

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with the zoning code.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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Make a motion.

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So I make a motion that

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we

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with the conditions set by

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>> there were there were no conditions. So

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is your motion to approve uh the request

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for dimensional variance in this matter?

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>> Yes, it is.

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>> There's a motion and a second. Um all

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those in favor signify by saying I.

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>> I.

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>> Okay. Um you'll get a written decision

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within 45 days of today's uh meeting.

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>> Okay.

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>> Thank you. Thanks.

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Excuse

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me.

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>> Thank you.

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Okay, we're ready for our next

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application. This is a variance

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application for 600 South 17th Street.

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Uh Mr. Uh uh again um for this

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application uh we have Jeffrey Knight

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from the city of Harrisburg uh codes

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office, Tarsa Cameron from the city of

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Harrisburg solicitors office uh Claude

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Fipps who is the chairman of uh zoning

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hearing board and James Hobbes who is

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the vice chair. uh for this is a um

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application number 2606 for 600 South

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17th Street. Uh Mr. Knight uh was

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previously sworn in and indicated he

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would be sworn in for all hearings uh

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this evening. Um for the applicant,

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could you identify yourself uh and spell

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your last name, please?

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>> Yeah. Uh Ben Orens, O R O Ns.

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And what is your are you the applicant

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in this matter?

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>> No, I'm the owner of the sign company

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Algra Image 360 on behalf of the client.

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>> Okay. Um I'm going to read some uh uh

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the uh list of exhibits that we have

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pre-marked in this matter. Uh I have

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marked as exhibit B1 the proof of

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publication. The time and place of

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particular nature of this matter was

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published in Patriot News, a newspaper

22:28

of general circulation in the city of

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Harrisburg. It appeared uh in the July

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6th and July 13th uh publication.

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Exhibit B2 is a letter dated July 17,

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2025

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uh from planning director Knight to the

22:45

applicant notifying uh the applicant of

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the time and place of the hearing.

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Exhibit B3

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is the hearing notice posted on the

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property

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that was accomplished uh on June 29th,

22:59

2025. Exhibit B4 is the applica

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applicants notification letters to

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require neighbors. Exhibit B5 is the

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application packets with plans for the

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proposal. Exhibit B6 is the letter and

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notice uh to uh uh of the property owner

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authorizing the applicant to pursue uh

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the zoning relief. Uh exhibit B7

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uh is the u deed to the property.

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Exhibit B B8 is the planning bureau case

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report. Exhibit B9 is the city of

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Harrisburg uh planning commission

23:38

resolution. And I'll just ask uh for the

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record if there's anybody here that's a

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citizen that is uh appearing this

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evening uh because they have an interest

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in this uh application.

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I'll let the record reflect there are

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none. Uh Mr. Knight, do you want to give

23:56

us a summary of this matter? Uh yes. So

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uh the uh issue in case 2606

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uh involves uh the um allowance of a

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second sign uh on the property which is

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one more than would be permitted by

24:13

right uh in the IND district. Um the

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signage is otherwise in conformance with

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the um allowable uh size and

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illumination. It's 96.6

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uh square feet. Um and uh the proposal

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is actually part of a a larger um

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project that involves um both the

24:33

replacement of the existing sign uh at

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the um southwestern corner of the

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intersection of uh 17th Street and um

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forgetting off the top of my head here.

24:45

Uh Brookwood Street, sorry, to the

24:47

north. Um and so that sign will be

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replaced uh with a sign that is in

24:52

conformance with the zoning code. And

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then the applicant is also proposing to

24:56

install another sign at the southern uh

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frontage of the uh front of the

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building. Um now the uh second sign uh

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the location uh creates the

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justification uh for the applicant's

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request. Uh, as noted, the current the

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building occupies um a full city block

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uh actually a little bit more um running

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probably a couple blocks uh east west

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and then the front is a full city block

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uh north south. Um the existing sign

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again is at the northern end of this

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front elevation. So visible to that

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intersection of 17th and Brookwood

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Street. However, it is likely that a

25:36

majority of the uh applicants um

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traffic, both visitors um and uh maybe

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deliveries uh will be coming directly

25:44

from the south uh from um from

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Interstate 83, which is uh just to the

25:50

um south of the railroad tracks that

25:51

border the uh southern edge of this

25:53

property. Um and the applicants uh have

25:57

one of their uh driveways onto the um

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subject property and to the uh parking

26:02

area and loading docks at the rear of

26:04

the property um just to the south of um

26:07

the front of the building here. So if uh

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they were only permitted to have one

26:11

sign by the time um deliveries and

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visitors were able to uh get to the

26:16

northern end of the front elevation uh

26:19

to see it, they might have passed uh the

26:21

uh vehicular access point. Um

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and then they'd be forced to maybe

26:26

either turn around or drive down

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Brookwood Street, which uh having done

26:30

several site visits to the property, uh

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is fairly narrowed by the fact that

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there's a truck parking along the

26:36

southern side of the street and uh

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there's a um drug treatment center just

26:40

to the north. So, there's parking along

26:41

that side of the street. It's really

26:43

only one lane even though it's two-way

26:44

traffic. So, uh, for the benefit of, um,

26:47

visitors and, uh, deliveries, uh, it is,

26:51

um, reasonable to have the sign at the

26:54

southern end of the building near that

26:55

vehicular access point so that people

26:57

coming off the highway, uh, can quickly

26:59

identify the building and turn in, uh,

27:01

on the safest vehicular access point.

27:04

Um, again, the signage is otherwise in

27:06

conformance with the zoning code. So uh

27:10

the proposal uh does represent uh the

27:12

minimum deviation uh from the zoning

27:14

code because it's one additional sign um

27:16

when only one is permitted by right and

27:19

therefore uh the planning bureau uh and

27:21

the planning commission uh both

27:23

recommend approval uh of the request for

27:26

the following reasons. The proposed

27:28

signage will better identify the

27:29

business and appropriately direct

27:30

vehicular traffic to the on-site parking

27:33

for visitors from the south and

27:34

specifically from Interstate 83 where

27:36

the majority of deliveries, shipments,

27:37

and visitors are anticipated. And aside

27:40

from the zoning relief required for an

27:41

additional sign beyond that permitted by

27:43

right in the IND district, the proposed

27:45

signage is otherwise in conformance with

27:47

the size, height, and illumination

27:48

requirement.

27:50

>> And the planning commission has no

27:52

conditions.

27:53

>> That is correct.

27:54

>> Okay. And um is there one tenant in this

27:59

building?

27:59

>> I believe so. Yes.

28:01

>> Okay. Is that I saw some of the plans.

28:03

Is it HB McCor?

28:04

>> I think so. Yeah. And I believe they've

28:06

been there for a little bit. Yeah.

28:08

>> Occupies the entire building.

28:09

>> Yeah.

28:10

>> Okay.

28:12

So, do you uh

28:14

do you have anything to add or to

28:17

present in this matter?

28:18

>> Um

28:20

not much beyond uh what was just said.

28:23

Um

28:25

because technically it is it is it is

28:27

two business units you know under common

28:29

ownership they have the HB mcclor side

28:31

and the HB home side so along with the

28:34

identification they want to you know as

28:37

as a big of a business as they are they

28:40

want to denote both business units on

28:42

the side of their building HP home on

28:44

the left HP on the right you were

28:46

looking at it straight on

28:49

>> and you're a in agreement with uh the

28:51

testimony of Mr.

28:54

I am.

28:54

>> Okay. Does the board have any questions?

29:00

>> Uh, I just going to ask Mr. Knight, um,

29:02

has there been any, I guess, recent, uh,

29:04

approvals to a similar type of request

29:07

to have multiple signs?

29:09

>> Um, in this general vicinity or just

29:12

overall,

29:16

>> I guess general vicinity is is

29:18

>> um, I can't think of any off the top of

29:20

my head for uh, this particular area. I

29:23

know um just one that springs to mind is

29:26

uh I believe um Harrisburg University

29:28

downtown several years ago uh had a

29:30

larger building where they were

29:31

proposing uh signage at the top on three

29:34

uh of the facades uh where two would

29:36

have been permitted by rights. So that's

29:37

a similar request.

29:39

>> Okay. Thank you.

29:49

>> They will not

29:59

Uh well, both of these signs are facing

30:01

uh 17th Street and I believe across the

30:03

street is um a an auto repair shop and

30:07

uh there is some other industrial

30:09

activity at the southern end of that

30:10

block.

30:18

>> Miss Cameron, do you have any questions?

30:32

66.

30:40

>> Yep.

30:43

You're so Okay. So your motion is is to

30:46

approve the uh the application for the

30:49

eventual variance for a second sign.

30:53

>> Is there a second?

30:54

>> Second.

30:55

>> All those in favor signify by saying I.

30:58

>> I.

31:00

>> Okay. Well uh congratulations. Uh we

31:03

will uh issue a written decision uh

31:05

within 45 days of today's hearing.

31:08

>> Okay.

31:10

Do you need these hardigital?

31:12

The digital. Thank you.

31:24

Okay. Next uh application is application

31:27

2607. This is a variance application

31:31

relative to the property located at 1332

31:34

North 2nd Street in the city of

31:36

Harrisburg.

31:38

Um,

31:44

looks like the applicant is Bitner

31:46

Reynolds LLC.

31:50

And

31:54

for this hearing uh again um we have uh

31:58

Claude Fipps who's the chair of this

32:01

board and James Hob Hobbs who's the vice

32:04

chair. Um

32:07

Jeffrey Knight uh was already sworn in

32:09

and indicated that he would be sworn in

32:11

for all future hearings including this

32:13

one. Um he's a zoning administrator.

32:18

Uh we have uh Tissa Cameron uh from the

32:22

solicitor's office. Um

32:26

Mr. Clark, uh do you want to introduce

32:28

yourself uh and u whoever you're going

32:31

to have testify today?

32:33

>> Sure. Uh good evening. My name is Jeff

32:35

Clark, attorney at Wixer and Widner

32:39

representing Bitner Rentals. And with me

32:41

is Nathan Bitner.

32:44

>> Okay. Is uh Mr. uh um

32:50

Bner going to testify today.

32:52

>> Uh possibly and certainly available to

32:54

answer questions.

32:55

>> Okay. So, should we swear him in just in

32:57

case? Uh could you uh uh identify

33:01

yourself, Mr. Bner? For the record,

33:04

spell your last name and then we'll

33:05

swear you in.

33:07

>> Nathan Bner,

33:10

>> could you raise your right hand? Do you

33:11

swear or affirm the testimony you're

33:13

about to give before this board is the

33:14

truth and nothing but the truth? Okay,

33:17

I'm going to u mark some uh exhibits

33:20

that were forwarded to the board um so

33:24

that we have them on record. I have

33:26

marked as exhibit B1, the proof of

33:28

publication. The time and place and

33:30

particular nature of this matter was

33:32

published in the Patriot News uh which

33:35

is a newspaper of general circulation uh

33:38

in the city of Harrisburg. publication

33:40

appeared on in the July 6th and July

33:43

13th

33:45

um publication. Exhibit B2 is a letter

33:49

dated July 17, 2025 from the planning

33:53

director to the applicant notifying the

33:55

applicant of the time and place of this

33:57

hearing. Exhibit B3 is a hearing notice

34:00

uh posted upon the property in question

34:02

that occurred on June 29th, 2025. Board

34:06

exhibit number four is the applicant's

34:08

notification letters to the required

34:10

neighbors. Board exhibit number five is

34:13

the application package

34:16

um with the attached narrative aerial

34:19

map of the property and street view

34:23

photos of the property. Uh board exhibit

34:26

number six is the deed of the property

34:28

establishing the applicant standard to

34:30

pursue zoning relief in this matter.

34:33

Board exhibit number seven is the

34:36

planning bureau's case report and board

34:39

exhibit number eight is the city of

34:41

Harrisburg uh planning commission

34:43

resolution.

34:45

Um and again before u we start with the

34:48

applicant um and if you want to just

34:51

give a a general Mr. Knight a general

34:53

overview of this matter.

34:55

>> Sure. Um so the issue for case number

34:57

2607

34:59

uh is um the use of the current

35:02

accessory parking lot on the subject

35:04

property as a commercial parking lot uh

35:06

available to uh residents or uh

35:09

customers of businesses in the immediate

35:10

area. Uh currently uh the property is

35:14

functioning as uh both a funeral home

35:16

and a an apartment building. Uh so the

35:20

existing parking lot on site uh provided

35:22

parking uh for both the uh residents of

35:25

the property as well as um visitors and

35:28

employees of the business on site. Uh as

35:30

the applicant attested to at the

35:33

planning commission meeting, uh the

35:36

business um of the funeral home has kind

35:38

of gradually been winding down to the

35:40

point where they're only doing I think a

35:41

a funeral a month. Uh they testified. Um

35:44

so uh the need for parking has certainly

35:47

been greatly lessened from when the

35:49

height of that use would have been and

35:51

there are five apartments on site but

35:53

certainly uh more parking than is

35:56

required for um the tenants of those

35:58

units. Uh and so the applicant uh is

36:01

proposing um not really any change in

36:05

the use or the development per se uh but

36:08

in who can use the park uh the who can

36:11

use the parking lot. Um

36:14

the uh property is located outside of

36:18

the of the city's competing parking

36:20

area. So the um that is not a

36:23

consideration in this case. Uh would be

36:25

you know whether that would be in

36:27

conformance with that agreement or not.

36:29

Um that is no longer uh that is not

36:31

applicable uh to this particular site.

36:33

Um and uh so the applicant is uh simply

36:38

seeking to use the existing

36:40

configuration of the property in a

36:42

different way uh and in a way that will

36:45

uh be of benefit to the surrounding

36:47

community. Um you know parking can

36:50

certainly be difficult at uh times uh on

36:53

uh Second Street uh and on uh nearby

36:56

Verbeck Street. Um there are

36:58

occasionally people uh parking in the

36:59

vacant lot that's about a block away on

37:02

Front Street there. Uh so there is

37:04

certainly a um a demand uh for more off-

37:08

streetet parking which again will bring

37:10

the parking on street into uh hopefully

37:12

better and safer uh conformance with the

37:14

city's regulations. Uh so with that

37:17

being said uh the planning commission

37:21

recommended that the zoning hearing

37:22

board approved the request uh with the

37:24

following conditions. Uh the applicant

37:26

should provide a site plan of the

37:27

proposed surface parking lot including

37:29

aspects such as line spaces and driveway

37:31

aisles with dimensions to confirm the

37:33

parking lot will be in conformance with

37:34

applicable regulations. The site plan

37:36

should be should identify ways in which

37:38

to bring the property into conformance

37:39

with the applicable zoning regulations

37:41

such as the inclusion of landscape

37:42

screening and possibly street trees

37:44

planted in the corners of the lot. Um

37:46

and to be clear, uh because the property

37:49

is already existing as a surface parking

37:51

lot, um you know, any non-conforming

37:54

aspect with respect to those, um uh

37:57

sections of the zoning code would be a

37:59

legal non-conforming aspect. Um but we,

38:03

you know, realize that in um changing

38:06

it, uh or in changing the use and

38:08

availability of parking, uh the

38:10

applicants may be seeking to do some

38:12

additional work to the site, repaving

38:13

perhaps. Um and so uh we thought it

38:17

would be prudent to if that was going to

38:19

be done um look for ways to bring the

38:21

property into conformance uh for

38:23

aesthetic purposes if nothing else

38:25

landscape screening things of that

38:26

nature. Um but again that's uh more of a

38:31

recommendation uh and you know less of a

38:33

requirement because the existing

38:35

configuration of the lot is a parking

38:37

lot so it can be used as that going

38:38

forward. Um, and then the planning

38:40

bureau did recommend the removal of one

38:41

of the second street cuts to remove a

38:43

vehicular pedestrian conflict point if

38:45

the applicant does not intend on

38:46

utilizing both access points or possibly

38:48

relocate a vehicular access to Safford

38:50

Street. Uh, the reason that was added

38:52

was during our site visit. We noted that

38:54

one of the access points was uh chained

38:56

off. Um, so we were unsure of whether

38:59

the applicant was only intending on

39:00

using uh one of the access points. Uh,

39:03

and so that was what uh that condition

39:06

referenced. Um, in the discussion at the

39:09

planning commission meeting, the

39:10

applicants confirm they do that to uh

39:12

prevent parking by residents um of the

39:16

of the neighborhood um currently uh

39:18

which again they would not be permitted

39:19

to do really. So once the uh presuming

39:22

approval is granted uh by the zoning

39:24

hearing board, they would likely open up

39:26

both vehicular access points. So that

39:28

would kind of make that condition move

39:30

at that point. Uh the planning

39:32

commission uh recommends the zoning

39:34

hearing board approve the request for

39:36

the following reasons. The proposed use

39:38

does not require zoning relief for any

39:40

proposed development or use but rather

39:42

who would be using the existing parking

39:45

spaces and thus represents a deminimous

39:47

deviation from the zoning regulations

39:49

which meets the applicable criteria in

39:51

the zoning code. uh and I should have

39:52

clarified earlier that the property is

39:54

in the residential medium density uh

39:56

district which does not permit

39:57

commercial parking lots by right and

39:59

that's what is necessitating the

40:00

variance application in this case. Um,

40:03

number two, while service parking lots

40:05

are generally not advisable from a

40:06

planning perspective as they represent

40:08

an underutilization of valuable urban

40:10

land and create impacts such as storm

40:12

water runoff and urban heat island

40:13

effect, in this instance, it is

40:15

reasonable to maximize the utility of

40:16

spaces in an existing lot by leasing

40:18

parking to local residents. And finally,

40:21

reuse of the property to accommodate

40:22

parking demand created by residents and

40:24

businesses at the surrounding

40:25

neighborhood can provide benefits by

40:27

reducing on street parking near

40:28

intersections, in crosswalks, and on

40:30

vacant lots. And the site can be

40:31

designed to incorporate elements such as

40:33

landscape screening that improve the

40:34

aesthetics of the property.

40:38

>> Okay. Thank you. Um is there anybody

40:41

here um

40:44

for this application? Anybody?

40:48

Okay. Well, we'll let the record reflect

40:50

that there are no citizens here um

40:54

for this particular application. Mr.

40:56

Clark, would you like to proceed with

40:58

your case?

40:59

>> Sure. um like to ask Mr. Bitner a couple

41:02

uh questions about the application. Uh

41:06

Mr. Bitner, are you the um managing

41:08

member of Bitner Rentals LLC? I am. And

41:12

when did when did you purchase this

41:14

property?

41:17

>> And was it in its current configuration

41:20

when you purchased it? Current use.

41:25

>> Um and so have you Does it currently

41:30

operate as a funeral home and then also

41:34

as it does? Yes. About how many funerals

41:38

are held at the

41:42

do about one a month.

41:45

Um and so and it has do the residents of

41:49

the multif family apartments use the

41:52

parking spaces.

41:54

So is there one each for each? How many

41:56

apartments are there? Five. They each

41:58

have

42:00

Yes. And so is the remainder of the

42:03

parking lot more or less unused.

42:07

About how many parking spaces are

42:14

um and so we're here on an application.

42:19

You would like permission. you would

42:20

like to change the use to a commercial

42:24

parking lot

42:27

and do you intend to have

42:30

what basis would you rent the parking

42:33

spaces on a monthly basis? So permit

42:36

parking for on a monthly basis.

42:40

Um

42:41

do you

42:44

is it currently listed for SIM? It is.

42:48

>> Does it appear what what kind of

42:52

market? What does it seem like it's

42:55

showing? What kind of purchases are

42:57

showing interest in that way? We've had

43:00

people look at it.

43:11

And before it was a funeral home, was it

43:15

was it a town home in the first place?

43:18

>> So I I know that funeral

43:30

and so if converted, it still wouldn't

43:33

use all of the parking spaces for the

43:35

parking lot.

43:37

Um

43:40

the

43:43

guess the other question I would have

43:45

there there was a question about it

43:47

being one of the there's two entrances

43:49

on second

43:51

>> and you have one sort of chained off.

43:53

Can you explain why that is? So when we

43:56

purchased the purchases

44:28

All right. Um,

44:31

do you

44:34

if if the permission is granted to use

44:36

it as a commercial parking lot, would

44:38

you intend to comply with zoning

44:41

regulations as a

44:48

further question?

44:52

Board have any questions?

44:54

Mr.

45:00

Good evening

45:02

question.

45:33

I got

45:33

>> I I don't know that he I mean I think it

45:36

would it would be insured within

45:38

whatever requirements there are. But to

45:40

be honest, I I don't know if he's able

45:42

to answer that question. I don't know

45:44

the answer either other than

45:58

But you're basically

46:09

present.

46:25

I think it in answer to your further

46:28

answer to your question I think as part

46:30

of the multif family use they might be

46:32

required to have parking for the

46:34

residents. So I think the intent would

46:36

be that the residents would have parking

46:47

and they park there.

46:54

>> Yeah, I I mean I don't know whether

46:55

they'd be able to park on second or I

46:57

believe Calder is to the north there. Um

46:59

but again I think the applicants uh

47:01

intend on providing parking not just for

47:04

um you know current uh residents but if

47:08

the funeral home goes away and the uh

47:11

apartment use expands they would provide

47:12

it for those residents as well.

47:39

Good evening. Um, so I just had a

47:41

question. I know it was mentioned right

47:42

that

47:44

I guess with having minimal activity in

47:48

terms of business for the funeral home

47:50

that kind of leads into this this uh

47:52

proposed use. Is that minimal activity

47:56

is that something I guess that's

47:57

purposeful? Are you planning are you

47:59

phasing that that business out? And I'm

48:01

just asking because of course if that

48:03

activity were to increase then that

48:05

would potentially conflict with it use.

48:07

>> We have two other funeral homes in the

48:09

Harrisburg area.

48:23

got. Okay. All right. Thank you.

48:28

I just have one or two questions. Um,

48:32

Mr. Bitney, you indicated that the

48:34

funeral home is listed for sale. How

48:36

long has that been listed for sale?

48:46

When did you put it back on?

48:52

>> Okay.

48:52

>> Not the funeral home itself.

48:56

>> Real estate. Okay. And and you said that

49:00

there were there were people looking for

49:01

it, but they wanted to change it into

49:03

apartments.

49:05

>> Yeah. A while back we had

49:12

contract.

49:20

>> Okay. And Mr. uh Knight, if someone were

49:24

to purchase this uh the uh the building

49:28

where the funeral home was in and wanted

49:30

to change or convert it into apartments.

49:34

um would that be allowed in this uh

49:37

zoning district?

49:38

>> So, they would have to file a special

49:40

exception for an expansion of a

49:41

non-conforming use because a multif

49:43

family dwelling is not permitted by

49:44

right in the RM zoning district. Um

49:47

given the size of the property, I would

49:49

anticipate you could add a few more

49:52

units without um triggering zoning

49:54

relief for the density. Um but at a

49:57

certain point if they added you know

50:00

five six units they would have to get a

50:03

variance for relief from the density

50:04

regulations as well.

50:06

>> Okay. And then

50:09

uh

50:10

would you agree that the uh request here

50:13

is uh is for a use variance? Is that

50:16

correct?

50:16

>> Uh yes.

50:19

>> Um

50:25

Any other questions?

50:44

At the very least, there again, there is

50:46

a five unit multif family dwelling

50:48

currently on site. Um, so at the very

50:50

least, they'd come back for a special

50:52

exception to expand an existing

50:54

non-conforming aspect of the property.

51:06

If if they if they just left uh the

51:09

property alone, did not replace the

51:11

funeral home space with additional um uh

51:15

residential units, then they would not

51:16

come back before the board. It would

51:18

only be if they converted that space

51:20

into additional

51:42

Okay. Mr. Clark, do you have anything

51:43

else?

51:46

>> Uh, the only thing I guess I would

51:47

mention as to uh the use variance is

51:50

there is case law I think changing an

51:54

accessory parking lot to a commercial

51:56

parking lot is is I would say a de

52:00

law that you can consider a change for a

52:03

use. So

52:05

>> do you have that case with you? I don't

52:07

have the case, but I the site uh is

52:10

versus zoning hearing board of East

52:12

Bradford Township.

53:00

Okay, we're going to if there's nothing

53:02

more, uh, Mr. Clark, we're we're going

53:05

to recess and they have some qu legal

53:07

questions and then we'll be back. Okay.

53:09

>> Okay.

53:27

What are you doing?

53:56

these guys. I appreciate

54:25

Yeah,

54:48

They have

1:06:51

uh does a board member have uh

1:06:56

does a board member have a uh is there

1:06:59

any motion uh before the board to be

1:07:02

presented?

1:07:03

>> Yes. regarding application 2607. I would

1:07:06

like to make a motion to uh deny the

1:07:09

request for variance.

1:07:12

There's a motion. Is there a second?

1:07:13

>> I second.

1:07:15

>> Moved.

1:07:17

Moved and seconded. Uh all those in

1:07:19

favor signify by saying I.

1:07:21

>> I.

1:07:23

>> Okay. The motion uh to for the denial of

1:07:26

the application

1:07:28

uh was approved by the board. you'll get

1:07:30

a written decision within 45 days of

1:07:32

today's uh hearing. Thank you.

1:07:47

Next is application 2608.

1:07:52

This is an application relative to the

1:07:54

property located at 2001 Lennox Street.

1:08:16

Okay, for this uh hearing um again for

1:08:20

the record because these are independent

1:08:22

uh hearings, we have Claude Fipps, who

1:08:25

is the chairman of the zoning hearing

1:08:26

board. Uh and James Hobbs uh that is the

1:08:30

uh who is the vice chair. Um my name is

1:08:34

Mike Pyosh. I'm the solicitor for the

1:08:36

zoning hearing board. Uh Jeffrey Knight

1:08:39

is here from the uh uh K uh city codes

1:08:44

office. He was sworn in uh at a uh

1:08:47

previous hearing this evening and uh

1:08:50

noted that he will remain sworn in uh

1:08:53

for uh every hearing this evening

1:08:56

including this one. We have uh Tersa

1:08:59

Cameron Cameron uh from the solicitor's

1:09:02

office present.

1:09:04

uh and uh

1:09:07

we'll uh

1:09:09

we'll swear in the applicant. Could the

1:09:11

applicant um could you uh introduce

1:09:14

yourselves um and spell your last names

1:09:16

for the record?

1:09:17

>> My name is Dean Morgan. I'm an attorney

1:09:18

for Mr. Usher.

1:09:20

I can't pronounce a who is the owner of

1:09:24

the property.

1:09:26

>> Okay.

1:09:26

>> Tonight I might be giving testimony. So

1:09:28

I will beating.

1:09:30

>> Okay.

1:09:32

And um what was your client's name? Can

1:09:35

you

1:09:37

>> Oh, Sam. I'm sorry. The owner is

1:09:40

Shamboo. S H A M B H U A Sheria. A C H A

1:09:45

R Y A.

1:09:49

>> Okay. Mr. Morgan and Mr. Sheria, could

1:09:52

you uh please raise your

1:09:54

>> This is not Mr. This is

1:09:56

Construction.

1:09:59

>> Okay. What is your name?

1:10:01

>> Geraldic.

1:10:03

>> Gerald Radic. Could you spell your last

1:10:05

name?

1:10:12

>> For the record, Mr. was not able to make

1:10:15

it tonight.

1:10:17

>> Okay. You're his attorney. That's so

1:10:19

that's fine. And then you said Mr.

1:10:21

Radzik, your first name is Gerald.

1:10:23

>> Yes.

1:10:24

>> Okay. Uh Mr. Radzik and Mr. Morgan. Um,

1:10:29

could you please uh raise your right

1:10:31

hand? Do you swear affirm testimony

1:10:33

you're about to give before this board

1:10:34

is the truth and nothing but the truth?

1:10:36

>> I do.

1:10:37

>> Okay. And just for the record, um is

1:10:40

there uh anybody here uh anybody else

1:10:44

here for this application?

1:10:48

Uh we'll have the record show that there

1:10:49

is uh no one here u present for this

1:10:53

application other than the applicant. Uh

1:10:56

with that uh I'm going to mark some

1:10:58

exhibits

1:11:00

uh for the record.

1:11:06

I have marked as exhibit B1, the proof

1:11:08

of publication. Uh the time and place

1:11:11

and particular nature of this matter was

1:11:12

published in the Patriot News, a

1:11:14

newspaper general circulation for the

1:11:16

city of Harrisburg. Um the ads appeared

1:11:21

on July 6th and July 13, 2025. Exhibit

1:11:25

B2 is a letter dated July 17, 2025 from

1:11:29

the planning uh director to the

1:11:31

applicant notifying the applicant of the

1:11:33

time and place of the hearing. Board

1:11:35

exhibit number three is the hearing

1:11:37

notice uh posted upon the property in

1:11:40

question which was accomplished on June

1:11:43

29th, 2025.

1:11:45

Exhibit B4 is the applica applicant's

1:11:47

notification letters to the required

1:11:49

neighbors. Exhibit B5 is the application

1:11:52

packet with the attached narrative

1:11:55

aerodial map

1:11:58

and

1:12:16

uh exhibit B5 is the application packet

1:12:18

with the attached narrative.

1:12:20

photos of the interior um and exterior

1:12:24

of the property uh the plans for

1:12:27

proposal

1:12:29

uh and the application uh signed by the

1:12:32

applicant and property uh owner. Exhibit

1:12:35

B6 is the deed to the property

1:12:37

establishing the applicant standing to

1:12:39

pursue relief. Board exhibit number

1:12:42

seven is the planning bureau case report

1:12:44

and board exhibit number eight is the

1:12:45

city of Harrisburg planning commission

1:12:47

resolution. So we have exhibits B1

1:12:50

through B8 and um Mr. Knight, would you

1:12:54

uh please give a um general overview of

1:12:58

this matter?

1:12:59

>> Uh sure. So, uh, the proposal for case

1:13:02

2608,

1:13:04

um, involves, uh, the reestablishment of

1:13:08

a two-unit multif family dwelling on the

1:13:10

subject property, uh, which requires at

1:13:12

least one special exception and one

1:13:14

variance, the special exception for the,

1:13:16

uh, multif family dwelling use in the RM

1:13:18

zoning district. uh and the variance for

1:13:21

uh relief from the density regulations

1:13:24

uh in the um in section 7-307.3

1:13:28

of the zoning code. Um I do uh I did add

1:13:32

a second um zoning relief application

1:13:36

for relief from the off- streetet

1:13:37

parking in the event that it could not

1:13:39

be provided and I'll discuss that in a

1:13:41

little bit. Um so in uh this case the

1:13:45

property had previously uh operated as

1:13:48

two units uh per the city's um records

1:13:51

up until I believe the early 2000s. Um

1:13:56

and then or maybe the late 1990s. Uh and

1:14:00

at that point uh the property reverted

1:14:03

back to a single family dwelling um and

1:14:05

had remained that way uh up until uh Mr.

1:14:09

Chara's uh recent uh purchase of the

1:14:11

property um and during which he sought

1:14:15

to uh con revert the property I guess

1:14:17

back to um two units. Uh the um

1:14:23

while the planning bureau has not been

1:14:25

inside the property uh per the

1:14:27

applicant's uh testimony at the planning

1:14:29

commission meeting uh there are um there

1:14:32

is a first floor unit of the property

1:14:34

and uh a unit on the upper floors as

1:14:37

well. Um, now the there is a um kitchen

1:14:42

in both of these units. Um, but per the

1:14:44

testimony at the meeting, there does not

1:14:46

appear to be a bedroom on the first

1:14:48

floor unit. Uh, so it's likely that at

1:14:51

some point in the past, again in the

1:14:52

1990s, maybe the 1980s. Um,

1:14:56

a previous owner might have established

1:14:58

like an in-law unit or something on the

1:15:00

upper floors. Otherwise, they would have

1:15:02

had a bedroom for themselves on the

1:15:04

first floor. Um, so it was likely, you

1:15:06

know, they were living in it, created

1:15:08

this uh second kind of mini unit, uh,

1:15:10

with its own kitchen and own bathroom.

1:15:13

Um, and, uh, the applicant is seeking to

1:15:16

go back, uh, to that configuration. Um

1:15:19

so there is uh a justification

1:15:23

uh for uh the proposed variance um and

1:15:27

the special exception uh given the uh

1:15:30

previous configuration of the property

1:15:32

the existence of um two kitchens and its

1:15:37

operation uh as that two unit. Uh with

1:15:40

respect to the relief from off streetet

1:15:41

parking, uh we do note that there is a

1:15:43

two bay garage at the rear of the

1:15:45

property accessible um from sorry uh

1:15:50

Lennox Street um or sorry, South 20th

1:15:54

Street. Uh it's a little unclear whether

1:15:58

uh the bays are accessible. Uh they

1:16:01

currently have wooden doors over them.

1:16:03

Uh not sure if they're operable. There

1:16:04

are two cars parking uh in the driveway

1:16:07

right in front. Um however we note that

1:16:09

driveway is actually the public right

1:16:11

ofway and uh the cars are parked across

1:16:13

sidewalks. Uh so they do not constitute

1:16:16

um legal parking spaces. Uh but again

1:16:18

we're not sure whether these the doors

1:16:20

on the garage can be opened or not. If

1:16:22

uh they can or if they can be removed

1:16:24

and tenants can park in them, then the

1:16:26

applicants would have the required off-

1:16:27

streetet parking. Uh in the event that

1:16:29

they cannot be opened or vehicles cannot

1:16:32

be parked in there. Uh given that it's a

1:16:34

corner lot, it has frontage along South

1:16:36

20th Street and Lennux Street. Um we

1:16:38

believe that uh there is sufficient on

1:16:40

street parking to provide park the two

1:16:43

off- streetet parking spaces uh required

1:16:45

for the property. Uh with that being

1:16:48

said, the uh planning commission and the

1:16:52

planning bureau uh recommended that the

1:16:56

zoning hearing board approved the

1:16:57

request for the following conditions. If

1:16:59

granted zoning approval to move forward

1:17:01

with the project as proposed, the

1:17:02

applicant shall allow the codes bureau

1:17:03

to perform a comprehensive inspection to

1:17:05

identify any outstanding code violations

1:17:07

and will receive approval for all

1:17:08

necessary city permits prior to

1:17:10

receiving a certificate of occupancy. Um

1:17:13

and uh as uh they testified to at the

1:17:15

planning commission meeting, the

1:17:16

applicants have been in coordination

1:17:18

with the codes bureau uh and has had has

1:17:21

had multiple codes officer visits to the

1:17:23

site um to review aspects of the

1:17:25

building related to the electrical panel

1:17:28

um related to um some of the um some of

1:17:33

the other elements inherent in uh

1:17:35

establishing a multif family dwelling on

1:17:37

site. Um,

1:17:39

but we do want to ensure that any work

1:17:41

that was done previously to kind of

1:17:43

create that second unit, you know, is up

1:17:45

to code. Um, I believe the applicant,

1:17:48

um, Mr. Radzig testified that they had

1:17:50

to replace the, uh, electrical panel

1:17:53

because it wasn't up to code. So, we

1:17:55

want to make sure that the rest of the

1:17:56

property is in a similar state. Um, and

1:17:59

then the second condition was the

1:18:00

applicant must remove the fence between

1:18:01

the driveway and Chalky Alley, which is

1:18:03

currently blocking the public right

1:18:04

ofway, and require tenants to either

1:18:06

park in the garage or on the street to

1:18:08

ensure that an ADA compliant sidewalk is

1:18:10

maintained along South 20th Street. Um,

1:18:12

along the South 20th Street frontage,

1:18:15

uh, when you get to Chalky Alley at the

1:18:16

rear of the property, there's a small

1:18:18

wooden fence built there. Uh, and in the

1:18:20

past that didn't really have much of an

1:18:22

impact because the property just

1:18:23

directly to the south was a car

1:18:25

dealership and uh the cars were parked

1:18:28

uh all the way up to the uh cartway to

1:18:30

the street basically. So there was no

1:18:32

pedestrian path. Uh in the last couple

1:18:34

years uh that property has been

1:18:36

redeveloped and as part of that the city

1:18:37

required them to install um sidewalks

1:18:40

along that. So now there is a compliant

1:18:42

path or now there is an existing

1:18:44

pedestrian path uh from the property uh

1:18:47

to the property of the south across

1:18:49

Chalky Alley. So we want to ensure

1:18:50

that's opened up to provide uh

1:18:52

pedestrian access there. Um the planning

1:18:56

commission recommends the request be

1:18:57

approved for the following reasons. Uh

1:18:59

the zoning relief request for the

1:19:01

proposed use are warranted by the

1:19:02

history of the property which has

1:19:03

operated in the past as two units as

1:19:05

well as the configuration of the

1:19:06

property in which existing elements such

1:19:08

as a rear fire escape to the second

1:19:09

floor provides a co building code

1:19:11

required secondary egress. Uh the

1:19:14

project will address the primary concern

1:19:15

of the public regarding such

1:19:16

convergence, specifically the impact on

1:19:18

parking available to existing residents

1:19:20

through the provision of the required

1:19:22

parking in the detached garage at the

1:19:23

rear of the property and due to the

1:19:25

availability of ample on street parking

1:19:27

along the frontage of the property with

1:19:28

South 20th Street and Lennox Street.

1:19:34

>> Thank you. U Mr. Morgan, do you want to

1:19:38

present your case? Um

1:19:42

with respect to the planning

1:19:43

commission's recommendations

1:19:45

uh and specifically with respect to the

1:19:48

condition regarding removing the fence

1:19:51

uh Mr. is certainly able and willing to

1:19:54

do so. Uh with respect to the matter of

1:19:58

it being a two unit, I would also like

1:20:01

to note that not only were there two

1:20:03

kitchens, there's fireplace, there are

1:20:06

also two electrical panels which were

1:20:08

part of this building beforehand. It's

1:20:11

evident this has always been operated as

1:20:14

a twounit

1:20:17

facility. Whether during 1999 to 2022 it

1:20:22

was a single family living there. It's

1:20:24

evident that this has always operated

1:20:27

with two

1:20:29

separate tents. Um, with respect to the

1:20:35

garage, uh,

1:20:38

because there's ample street parking, we

1:20:41

and because the age of that garage

1:20:44

can tell us a little bit more about

1:20:45

that, uh, it's likely that we would need

1:20:48

to only be able to have off on streets

1:20:52

there.

1:20:54

that garage was built long time ago

1:20:58

and it's not ample it's not it's

1:21:01

probably not of the correct size for

1:21:03

vehicles modern

1:21:08

and with that I would rely on the

1:21:10

information provided in the planning

1:21:12

commission approval would ask for

1:21:19

>> Mr. Rajik I had a a question uh Mr.

1:21:22

Knight indicated that there is not a

1:21:24

bedroom in the uh lower level unit.

1:21:27

>> Yes. Uh where where would a person

1:21:30

sleep?

1:21:53

chose the

1:21:55

ch.

1:22:04

>> Okay. So, you have one bedroom on the

1:22:06

first floor and what would be the

1:22:08

occupancy for the second floor?

1:22:11

[Music]

1:22:19

Well, do you know or you're the

1:22:21

contractor? Do you know how many

1:22:22

bedrooms are up there?

1:22:25

>> Okay.

1:22:28

And and I do believe the um the property

1:22:31

owner testified that there are three

1:22:33

bedrooms up there and and a tenant

1:22:36

showed up at the planning commission

1:22:38

meeting and testified there were three

1:22:39

bedrooms up there.

1:22:40

>> Okay.

1:22:40

>> Yes.

1:22:44

>> And and I do apologize. I thought this

1:22:47

was included in the packet. These are

1:22:48

the these are the drawings that reflect

1:22:51

a bedroom on that first and I can

1:22:54

certainly publish that.

1:22:56

the board if you'd like to. I thought

1:22:58

that was already included in the packet.

1:23:02

>> I do I do see um it's pretty small but I

1:23:06

see the second floor here.

1:23:08

>> So on that first page directing your

1:23:09

attention to the bottom left hand corner

1:23:12

which reflects the first floor. You'll

1:23:14

see that it is a kitchen area, a living

1:23:17

room and then a bedroom and then a

1:23:20

sitting there.

1:23:28

Your eyes are as bad as mine. I'm happy

1:23:30

to show you the full copy.

1:23:35

What's there's a on the one plan there's

1:23:38

a third floor there. There is which

1:23:41

comes up from the second floor. That

1:23:43

would be the same unit. Second floor.

1:23:50

>> Oh, I see. So the the second floor It

1:23:53

has two bedrooms. It's all one unit, but

1:23:56

two bedrooms on the second floor and one

1:23:58

on the third floor.

1:23:59

>> Yes.

1:24:02

>> Two on the third floor, one on second.

1:24:06

>> And then the other room there is a

1:24:08

living room.

1:24:10

>> Oh, I see. So on the third floor you

1:24:13

have storage, a bedroom, a bedroom, and

1:24:16

then storage.

1:24:18

And then on the second floor, you have

1:24:20

the kitchen, living room, and a bedroom.

1:24:24

But and all that, that's all one unit.

1:24:27

And then the first floor

1:24:29

is a kitchen, living room,

1:24:33

you're going to put in a a a bedroom,

1:24:37

and there's going to be a sitting room.

1:24:38

>> Yes.

1:24:39

>> I see.

1:24:43

I don't have any other questions. Board,

1:24:45

have any questions?

1:25:17

Yeah. So when we look at uh properties

1:25:19

like this um we go back through

1:25:22

essentially what are the codes bureau

1:25:23

records although um the same database

1:25:25

has like merile permit records and

1:25:27

stuff. Um and the codes bureau records

1:25:29

uh are comprised of things like building

1:25:31

permits um rental inspections uh buyer

1:25:34

notices and zoning certificates. Um, now

1:25:37

I think sometimes, uh, what'll happen is

1:25:40

a contractor, for example, will submit a

1:25:44

you submitted a permit in the past and

1:25:45

maybe only put one unit because they

1:25:47

were only working on one unit. And so

1:25:48

that's how that's entered into our

1:25:50

system. And so what what it's our job to

1:25:53

do is kind of to parse through these old

1:25:55

records and kind of say, is that what

1:25:57

happened here? And, you know, if we see

1:25:59

rental inspections for two units, we

1:26:01

assume the codes bureau went out there,

1:26:03

did an inspection, and confirmed there

1:26:04

were two units. So while the um

1:26:07

numerical record may be a little back

1:26:09

and forth, you know, we kind of know

1:26:12

what to look for in identifying like,

1:26:15

okay, we acknowledge that this was uh

1:26:17

two units at one point. Um you know,

1:26:19

that being said, this was all decades

1:26:21

ago and I don't think anybody from the

1:26:23

coach bureau is still working here that

1:26:25

was back there then. So um you know, I

1:26:28

can't attest to what city staff did at

1:26:30

the time, but we have to use the best

1:26:32

information available to us.

1:27:13

So you provided by

1:27:21

there are two electric

1:27:45

Mr. Knight, I had a quick question. Um,

1:27:48

do you know or Mr. Morgan, if you could,

1:27:51

do you know what the square footage of

1:27:53

this is? Because was there some

1:27:55

confusion that it was maybe over 2500

1:27:59

square feet, but the old city record

1:28:02

said it was 2400 or and if it's over

1:28:06

2500,

1:28:07

do they need a special exception for

1:28:10

conversion?

1:28:12

>> Yeah. So, uh, the county's records say,

1:28:14

uh, 2400 square f feet, but the

1:28:17

applicant, um, stated that they did a

1:28:21

current measurement of the property, and

1:28:23

I I want to say it was 2552

1:28:26

maybe. Uh, I don't 2528. Yeah.

1:28:29

>> Okay.

1:28:41

Okay. So, Mr. Radzik, it's your

1:28:46

testimony that the square footage is

1:28:49

2528. Is that correct?

1:29:00

Mr. You have any questions

1:29:24

in an overabundance of caution here and

1:29:27

with the availability of street parking.

1:29:29

I

1:29:32

I believe it would be appropriate to

1:29:34

allow for street parking in this

1:29:35

particular case rather than having to

1:29:38

later on come back and make that

1:29:41

request. I'm understanding how process

1:29:44

works

1:29:46

>> that there would be required to have two

1:29:47

off street parking spaces for the two

1:29:49

units. Yes.

1:30:02

I have a question just to maybe to Jeff

1:30:05

just to jog my memory. There was quite a

1:30:08

bit of conversation at planning about

1:30:11

the back steps and I thought

1:30:14

>> slip proof paint or something like that.

1:30:16

Wasn't that a condition about the back

1:30:18

stairs? Hold on. because there was a the

1:30:21

one of the tenants came and she had

1:30:23

already fallen down the back steps and

1:30:25

there's going to be a period of time

1:30:27

where there is no front steps while they

1:30:30

build a egress and a a new doorway

1:30:32

because if I'm understanding right now

1:30:35

there's the upstairs tenant basically

1:30:38

has to walk through the downstairs

1:30:39

tenants building until they build the

1:30:41

egress. But I just maybe it was an

1:30:44

agreement it wasn't a condition I

1:30:46

thought we said specifically planning

1:30:47

was concerned about He said he was going

1:30:50

to get paint with sand in it. You

1:30:52

remember that?

1:30:53

>> Yeah, they they did they did say that.

1:30:56

Um

1:30:58

>> yeah, I I I honestly don't recall

1:31:00

whether

1:31:01

>> they just

1:31:01

>> I think they I don't I don't think it

1:31:03

was formally added as a condition. And

1:31:07

>> yeah, they but they did uh uh the owner

1:31:09

did commit to um and I believe Mr. Raza

1:31:12

committed to painting it with non-slip

1:31:14

uh paint. Um that was primarily a lar a

1:31:18

larger issue for a temporary period when

1:31:20

they're going to be installing this new

1:31:22

wall and re uh configuring the front

1:31:24

entrance. Once that happens, um you

1:31:27

know, that will be a secondary means of

1:31:28

aggression. It won't be their only point

1:31:29

of access.

1:31:35

>> It's existing wood.

1:31:39

>> Yeah.

1:31:40

>> And if I can address that, we would

1:31:41

certainly have no problem making that a

1:31:44

condition. Um certainly the safety of

1:31:48

>> I mean if they didn't make it a decision

1:31:49

that's fine. I actually think the owner

1:31:51

just agreed that he would do it. So

1:31:54

>> and and we're okay with either way

1:31:56

because the safety of the tenants is

1:32:05

>> I don't think so. But that would be

1:32:08

something we would expect the codes

1:32:09

bureau to bring up during their uh

1:32:11

inspection of the property if if there

1:32:13

are. I don't believe there's like a

1:32:14

requirement that it be ADA compliant or

1:32:16

anything, but they would be able to

1:32:17

address that.

1:32:20

>> So, Mr. Knight, just to re review, um

1:32:25

there's a special exception for the

1:32:27

conversion

1:32:28

>> for the use

1:32:29

>> for the use.

1:32:30

>> Yep.

1:32:31

>> Um there's a special exception

1:32:35

um for the parking

1:32:37

>> for relief from the off street parking.

1:32:38

Yep.

1:32:39

>> And is it the case that they're over

1:32:43

2500 square feet if that's what the

1:32:45

board finds that there's the dimensional

1:32:48

variance is not applicable.

1:32:50

>> Uh so the 2500 square ft applies to the

1:32:54

specific criteria and 7309.2V

1:32:57

it requires the building be 2500 ft in

1:32:59

order to be converted. Um and you know

1:33:02

based on the uh architect's measurements

1:33:04

that it is that uh variance would be

1:33:07

obiated but the variance for the density

1:33:10

um would still apply.

1:33:11

>> Right. Okay.

1:33:19

>> And if I can note one further for the

1:33:22

for the record. Um, as stated in the

1:33:26

planning commission's report, this is

1:33:27

not something caused by the current

1:33:30

owner when he bought the property on

1:33:32

January 23rd. This was the condition of

1:33:35

the property at that time.

1:33:40

>> Okay. Anything else?

1:33:51

>> We're going to take a a a short break

1:33:54

and we'll be back. Okay.

1:48:18

Okay, we'll go back on the record. Um,

1:48:21

does any of the board members have a a

1:48:24

motion they'd like to present?

1:48:29

>> Yes. Uh regarding application 2608,

1:48:33

I would like to make a motion to approve

1:48:36

the request for variance and special

1:48:38

exception

1:48:40

um inclusive of the conditions set forth

1:48:43

by the planning commission um as well as

1:48:46

the owner taking steps satisfactory to

1:48:49

the city uh to address the concerns of

1:48:51

slipping on the uh with the back steps.

1:48:56

>> Okay. Okay. So, your motion was to uh

1:48:58

grant the u

1:49:01

um request uh pursuant to the

1:49:04

application. Uh is there a second?

1:49:09

Moved and second. All those in favor

1:49:11

signify by saying I.

1:49:13

>> I. Okay. Motion passes and uh you'll

1:49:16

receive a written decision within 45

1:49:18

days of today's hearing. Okay.

1:49:27

Thank you.

1:49:42

>> Okay, last item on the agenda is item

1:49:45

number 2609.

1:49:47

This is a variance application

1:49:50

for 315 North Second Street.

1:49:55

uh filed by uh Adam Brenamman of

1:49:58

Brenamman Properties LLC.

1:50:04

Um we have this evening uh with us uh

1:50:08

chairman of the zoning hearing board

1:50:10

Claude Fipps. Uh vice chair James Hobbs.

1:50:15

Um

1:50:16

uh we have um

1:50:19

Jeffrey Knight who was uh previously

1:50:22

sworn in in a previous in a hearing

1:50:24

earlier this evening um who has

1:50:27

indicated that he will um remain sworn

1:50:30

in. We have Tercan from the uh city

1:50:34

solicitor's office

1:50:36

um and um Mr. Patrina. Would you like to

1:50:40

introduce yourself and uh anybody that

1:50:42

would be testifying this evening? Yes.

1:50:44

Good evening everyone. Thanks for having

1:50:46

us here tonight. Uh my name is Phil

1:50:48

Patrina Mcnes Wallace and 100 Pine

1:50:51

Street in Harrisburg. I'm here on behalf

1:50:54

of the applicant here, Brenamman

1:50:56

Properties LLC. Uh and my client Adam

1:51:00

Brenamman, the owner of that company is

1:51:02

here and he will provide some testimony

1:51:04

tonight as well. So he should be sworn

1:51:07

>> Okay. Mr. Brenamman, could you raise

1:51:08

your right hand? Do you swear or affirm

1:51:10

that the testimony that uh you will give

1:51:13

this evening before this board is will

1:51:15

be the truth and nothing but the truth?

1:51:17

>> Yes.

1:51:17

>> Okay. And then um do you have anybody

1:51:20

else that will be testifying this

1:51:22

evening?

1:51:22

>> No, that's it.

1:51:23

>> Okay. And um it appears um that there's

1:51:29

uh no one else here opposing or for the

1:51:32

application. Is that correct? We'll let

1:51:35

the record show that there's no uh

1:51:36

citizens here um either opposing or um

1:51:43

here to support this application. I'm

1:51:45

going to mark some exhibits uh for the

1:51:48

record before we start.

1:51:50

I have marked as exhibit B1 uh the proof

1:51:54

of publication. The time and place and

1:51:56

particular nature of this matter was uh

1:51:58

was uh advertised in the Patriot News

1:52:00

which is a newspaper general circulation

1:52:02

in the city of Harrisburg. Publication

1:52:04

appeared on July 6th and July 13th of

1:52:07

2025.

1:52:09

Board exhibit number two is a letter

1:52:11

dated July 17, 2025 from the planning

1:52:14

director to the applicant notifying the

1:52:16

applicant of the time and place of this

1:52:18

hearing. Board exhibit number three is

1:52:21

the hearing notice that was posted upon

1:52:22

the property in question that was

1:52:24

accomplished on June 29th, 2025. Board

1:52:27

exhibit number four B4 is the

1:52:30

applicant's notification letters to the

1:52:32

required neighbors. Board exhibit number

1:52:34

five is the application packet with the

1:52:37

attached narrative, photos of the

1:52:39

exterior of the property and plans for

1:52:42

uh for the proposal. Board exhibit

1:52:45

number six is the agreement of sale for

1:52:47

the property establishing a uh applicant

1:52:49

standing to pursue the zoning uh relief

1:52:52

uh this evening. Board exhibit number

1:52:54

seven is the deed to the property. Board

1:52:56

exhibit number eight is the planning

1:52:58

bureau case report. Uh board exhibit

1:53:01

number nine is the city of Harrisburg

1:53:03

planning commission resolution. So we

1:53:07

have exhibits B1 through B9 which will

1:53:10

be uh admitted into the record. Uh Mr.

1:53:13

tonight. Would you like to give a brief

1:53:15

brief summary of this application and

1:53:17

then we'll have the applicant present

1:53:19

this case?

1:53:20

>> Uh yes. So uh the issue uh in case

1:53:24

number 2609

1:53:26

uh is a variance for relief from the

1:53:29

density regulations um for multif family

1:53:32

dwellings in the commercial neighborhood

1:53:35

uh zoning district. Um the project site

1:53:39

is comprised of three separate

1:53:42

buildings. um that are all on a single

1:53:44

lot um and have been internally

1:53:47

connected at some point in the past. Um

1:53:50

and the uh total square footage of the

1:53:55

property would permit about 8.3 units by

1:53:59

right. Um and the applicants are

1:54:00

requesting 10 total units. Um so there's

1:54:03

relief from uh two um dwelling units uh

1:54:08

per the density regulations in the

1:54:09

zoning code. Um the planning bureau

1:54:13

notes uh again the unique configuration

1:54:16

of the site in that it's uh again three

1:54:18

buildings that are internally connected.

1:54:20

Um so the it has um you know stairwells

1:54:26

kind of in different

1:54:28

and maybe less um uh useful locations

1:54:32

than you would have if you just had one

1:54:34

building built um purpose built for this

1:54:37

uh type of use. Um in addition uh the

1:54:40

there's like kind of different floors of

1:54:42

the uh buildings. If you note the uh

1:54:45

floor plans provided by the applicant

1:54:47

where uh the central uh building has a

1:54:50

third floor uh that uh the other two

1:54:52

buildings don't really um have. Uh so

1:54:55

there's kind of additional space there.

1:54:57

Um and uh the planning bureau notes that

1:55:02

um the uh units range in size from 486

1:55:07

to,290 square ft. Um so it's clearly not

1:55:11

a case where the applicants are trying

1:55:14

to fit as many units into the building

1:55:16

as possible. They are uh working within

1:55:19

the unique configuration creating um

1:55:21

smaller one-bedroom units and then uh a

1:55:24

two-bedroom loft uh unit again in that

1:55:27

central uh unit. Uh and then uh finally

1:55:31

uh because they're converting it from

1:55:32

office space to residential use um there

1:55:35

is a significant amount of investment

1:55:37

that needs to be made uh bringing in you

1:55:39

know a kitchen for every unit. Um even

1:55:42

if they were only doing eight units um

1:55:44

and not uh 10 units. Uh the addition the

1:55:46

cost of bringing in kitchens for eight

1:55:48

units and running uh new lines for those

1:55:50

things, bathrooms for each of the units,

1:55:53

uh new electrical for each of the units.

1:55:56

um does um create a financial hardship

1:55:59

which uh the board has um heard in the

1:56:02

past from other uh applicants um uh

1:56:05

about the legal precedent of there being

1:56:08

an allowance for uh some financial

1:56:10

hardship in the granting of a

1:56:11

dimensional variance. Um so with all of

1:56:14

that being said uh the planning

1:56:17

commission and the planning bureau

1:56:18

recommended the uh zoning hearing board

1:56:21

approved the request with the following

1:56:22

conditions. If the applicant receives

1:56:24

approval of the requisite zoning relief

1:56:26

requests, they must secure city council

1:56:28

approval of a land development plan for

1:56:30

the proposed conversion. Uh any exterior

1:56:32

alterations to the building will receive

1:56:34

approval from the historic preservation

1:56:36

specialist or if necessary receive HARB

1:56:38

approval of a certificate of

1:56:40

appropriateness application. Um the plan

1:56:42

B recommends the applicant consider

1:56:44

differentiating the facades of the three

1:56:45

buildings to reestablish their original

1:56:47

identities. Um and it should be noted

1:56:49

that there were some minor um uh I think

1:56:52

uh exterior work noted by the applicants

1:56:55

in their site plan and so that's what

1:56:57

we're referencing uh in regards to the

1:56:59

exterior alterations and as noted the

1:57:02

buildings are already painted um so

1:57:04

painting the building which would

1:57:05

generally not be permitted uh for or

1:57:07

recommended for a masonry building in a

1:57:09

historic district um can be done uh

1:57:12

without HARB approval and we'd recommend

1:57:14

you know reestablishing again that uh

1:57:16

individuality of each of the units um if

1:57:19

the reference parking spaces are not on

1:57:21

the subject property the applicant

1:57:22

provide a signed lease agreement to

1:57:24

allow parking at those spaces. The

1:57:26

property is located in the CN district,

1:57:27

which does not require off- street

1:57:29

parking, but uh the applicants have

1:57:31

testified that there are eight spaces

1:57:32

that I believe uh convey with um uh the

1:57:36

deed uh to this property um located in

1:57:38

the lot uh directly to the rear of the

1:57:40

properties. Uh and then finally, the

1:57:43

applicant will coordinate with the

1:57:44

Department of Public Works to ensure

1:57:45

that the account billing reflects the

1:57:47

establishment of the proposed uses on

1:57:49

site and to identify the appropriate

1:57:50

refuge storage and collection needs. The

1:57:53

planning commission recommends that the

1:57:54

zoning hearing board approved the

1:57:55

request for the following reasons. The

1:57:58

internal configuration of three attached

1:57:59

buildings, specifically the locations of

1:58:01

aspects such as walls, stairs, and doors

1:58:03

and windows, compels the reorganization

1:58:05

of space into more units than we would

1:58:07

be permitted by right and the components

1:58:09

necessary for the establishment of the

1:58:11

by right multif family dwelling use such

1:58:13

as kitchens and bathrooms, requires

1:58:15

investment compensated for through the

1:58:17

inclusion of additional units. The

1:58:19

proposed reuse will add new residents to

1:58:21

the neighborhood to activate the street

1:58:22

on nights and weekends and grow a

1:58:24

customer base to support local

1:58:25

businesses and will provide additional

1:58:27

units to the downtown housing inventory.

1:58:29

Range of unit sizes in the mix of one

1:58:31

and two-bedroom units will accommodate a

1:58:32

variety of household sizes and needs

1:58:35

helping to further diversify the

1:58:36

downtown housing inventory. Uh finally,

1:58:38

other conversions of former office

1:58:40

buildings in the surrounding

1:58:41

neighborhood have demonstrated the

1:58:42

proposed use will not adversely impact

1:58:44

the character of the neighborhood.

1:58:48

Okay,

1:58:50

Mr. Patrina, do you wanna

1:58:52

>> Yes, with that. Thank you, Mr. Knight.

1:58:53

Um, we have a short presentation tonight

1:58:56

and I'm going to pass out some exhibits

1:58:58

um just so that we're all

1:59:27

Okay.

1:59:29

So, as Mr. Knight stated, this property

1:59:31

is located at 315 North Second Street.

1:59:34

It's the former administrative office

1:59:37

location of the Pennsylvania Healthcare

1:59:39

Association. Um, they've used it

1:59:41

commercial office space since at least

1:59:43

1996

1:59:45

and they've ultimately decided to

1:59:47

downsize its office presence uh postco

1:59:50

um with people really working from home

1:59:53

and have entered into uh the the

1:59:55

attached agreement of sale as provided

1:59:57

our application with Mr. Brenamman uh

2:00:00

for the sale of the property property is

2:00:03

located in the city's commercial

2:00:05

neighborhood district and old Harrisburg

2:00:08

historic district and it is improved

2:00:11

within approximately 8,300 square foot

2:00:14

building and eight off- streetet parking

2:00:16

spaces uh that the property has use of

2:00:19

through an access easement agreement

2:00:20

that's conveyed in the deed to the

2:00:22

property. Brenamman properties proposes

2:00:25

to convert this office uh this existing

2:00:28

office building into a 10 dwelling unit

2:00:31

uh multif family apartment building.

2:00:34

Residential uses are permitted by right

2:00:37

in the CN district. And the CN district,

2:00:40

as Mr. Knight pointed out, is exempt

2:00:42

from the city's off streetet parking

2:00:43

requirements, although we do have those

2:00:45

additional eight spaces provided uh in

2:00:48

the north uh or rear of the property.

2:00:52

Tonight we're here to request the board

2:00:54

uh for a variance from section 7-307

2:00:57

of the zoning ordinance uh a dimensional

2:01:00

variance to permit 10 dwelling units in

2:01:03

the building.

2:01:05

Um on July 2nd, 2025, the Harrisburg

2:01:08

Planning Commission recommended approval

2:01:10

of the variance application.

2:01:12

Uh and there were a few conditions that

2:01:14

you know we are agreeable to. I would

2:01:16

note that um Mr. Brenamman uh as far as

2:01:21

the exterior of the property goes, I

2:01:23

think is no longer planning to really

2:01:25

alter the outside of the building and

2:01:28

you know to the extent that there would

2:01:30

be any exterior changes, we would

2:01:32

obviously seek the approval uh of HARB

2:01:35

and any other necessary zoning ordinance

2:01:37

requirements, but I I think that the

2:01:39

plan is to really preserve the history

2:01:41

of this building and as much of the

2:01:44

street facade um as as possible. And so

2:01:48

I think decision was made to just leave

2:01:50

it as is. Um, so with that, I'll call

2:01:53

our first and only witness tonight, uh,

2:01:56

Adam Brenamman.

2:01:58

Uh, Mr. Brenamman has been sworn in. So,

2:02:01

um, we'll just get right to it. Um, Mr.

2:02:04

Brenamman, what is your position with

2:02:06

Brenamman Properties LLC?

2:02:08

>> I'm the sole owner.

2:02:10

>> Okay. And how many properties um, do you

2:02:12

own within the city?

2:02:14

>> Uh, about 25 units. Okay.

2:02:18

Uh looking in front of you um what we'll

2:02:22

mark into the record as applicants

2:02:24

exhibit A1.

2:02:26

Um what is shown in front of you there?

2:02:30

In front of me is 315 North Street

2:02:33

that we would convert

2:02:55

>> yes.

2:02:56

>> Is the property also part of the city's

2:02:58

old historic district.

2:03:00

>> Yes, sir.

2:03:01

>> And are you the equitable owner of this

2:03:03

property in the form of an executed

2:03:04

agreement of sale?

2:03:05

>> Yes.

2:03:07

>> Okay. Um with that, I'll move to uh

2:03:09

offer that exhibit into evidence as

2:03:11

applicants exhibit A1 or however you

2:03:14

would like to mark it.

2:03:15

>> Yeah, we'll leave it as A1 and it'll be

2:03:17

admitted into evidence.

2:03:18

>> All right. And then we're going to turn

2:03:20

to the second uh few pages here of the

2:03:23

packet that I just distributed um which

2:03:26

are Google Street View images of the

2:03:28

existing conditions of the property. Um

2:03:32

we're looking at the first page here,

2:03:34

Mr. Brenamman. What does this first page

2:03:36

show of the street view image?

2:03:39

>> Yeah, this is the building from looking

2:03:41

at it from street.

2:03:44

>> Okay. And then flipping to the second

2:03:45

page here.

2:03:50

Does that show the building facade from

2:03:52

the right of way at Barber Street and

2:03:55

North Second?

2:03:56

>> Yes.

2:03:59

>> We're going to turn to the third image

2:04:00

now

2:04:02

uh which shows the back rear of the

2:04:04

property. Does this prop does this image

2:04:07

here show the eight off street parking

2:04:09

spaces that are located behind the

2:04:10

property?

2:04:11

>> Yes, it does.

2:04:12

>> Okay. Will the tenants of your property

2:04:14

or proposed apartment um dwelling have

2:04:17

access to these eight off- streetet

2:04:19

parking spaces?

2:04:20

>> Yes.

2:04:23

>> The street view images uh show the

2:04:25

historic nature of this building as I

2:04:27

alluded to earlier in the presentation.

2:04:30

Do you plan on preserving the historic

2:04:32

nature of this building? Yes, the the

2:04:34

historic nature of the building was a

2:04:36

major part in wanting to purchase the

2:04:38

building and plan

2:04:41

that historic piece of it.

2:04:42

>> Okay. And and to the extent required for

2:04:44

any of your minor cosmetic changes, I

2:04:46

know that we did discuss earlier tonight

2:04:49

um that you're planning to just leave

2:04:51

the building facade as is. If in the

2:04:53

future at any point um that does change,

2:04:56

do you agree to obtain a certificate of

2:04:58

appropriateness from the historic

2:05:00

architectural review board or any other

2:05:03

uh city zoning requirements?

2:05:05

>> Yes.

2:05:06

>> Okay. And with that, I'll go ahead and

2:05:08

move to admit the street view images as

2:05:11

applicants exhibit A2.

2:05:15

>> All right, Mr. Brenam. Now turning to

2:05:17

the floor plan that is in

2:05:22

the those exhibits there. Um so Mr.

2:05:26

Brenamman, uh please describe the unit

2:05:29

mix of the multi the proposed multif

2:05:31

family residential building.

2:05:33

>> Yeah. So um 10 units total as you'll see

2:05:36

on the first floor here we have six

2:05:38

proposed units all onebedroom units and

2:05:43

you can see the different colors of

2:05:44

units there and the second floor of the

2:05:47

building will be four two bedroom units.

2:05:50

It was important to as we as we put this

2:05:53

plan together to have a mix of one

2:05:55

bedroom and two bedrooms

2:05:58

as many units as possible

2:06:01

in the city and um and ranging in size

2:06:04

from

2:06:06

500,200

2:06:10

ft good units and even includ a unit of

2:06:14

the second floor that will have access

2:06:16

to a third floor

2:06:19

>> and in determining the 10 units for this

2:06:22

8,300 square foot building. How did you

2:06:25

and your engineering team arrive at a

2:06:27

unit mix of 10 units?

2:06:28

>> Yeah, we bring a lot of different plans

2:06:30

and financial analysis and formulas and

2:06:32

the reality is with construction costs

2:06:34

where they are that 10 units was the

2:06:37

least amount of units we could

2:06:40

build that would be financially

2:06:44

given the cost of the conversion. It

2:06:46

being an office space, the unique nature

2:06:48

of of the building the building

2:06:51

lot different buildings

2:06:57

10 units.

2:07:01

>> And will these uh proposed units be

2:07:03

market rate rental units?

2:07:04

>> Yes.

2:07:06

>> Uh Mr. Bman, please uh you know, take a

2:07:09

look here at sheet A 101 of the floor

2:07:12

plan and walk us through what it is

2:07:15

showing on the first floor.

2:07:17

>> Yeah, first floor you'll see uh unit

2:07:20

on the left 548 ft. It's a one bedroom

2:07:23

as you can see the bathroom and the

2:07:25

kitchen area and bedrooms outlined which

2:07:28

is 659

2:07:30

unit C there

2:07:36

on the top right.

2:07:38

>> Okay, we'll turn to uh sheet A 102 of

2:07:42

the exhibit. Um why don't you walk us

2:07:45

through what that is showing us? So unit

2:07:48

2 a 859 feet that's a twobedroom and and

2:07:53

one and a half bath. You see unit 2 C

2:07:56

which is 819 square ft that is a two bed

2:07:59

one bath. See unit 2 which is actually

2:08:03

the unit which will be two stories. So

2:08:06

the the first story there on unit 2B is

2:08:09

the living area and the kitchen and then

2:08:11

unit 2 on the right

2:08:14

overt.

2:08:17

>> Okay. And then turning to the last sheet

2:08:19

of the exhibits sheet A 103. Um what

2:08:22

does that one show us?

2:08:23

>> Yeah, that is the the top floor the loft

2:08:25

area of the uh unit 2B that you saw on

2:08:29

the last page. That is where the two

2:08:31

bedrooms will be, the bathroom upstairs,

2:08:33

which I think will be a really neat unit

2:08:35

for the city.

2:08:36

>> Okay, great. Um, with that, I will move

2:08:39

Mr. Solicitor to admit the floor plan as

2:08:42

applicants exhibit A3.

2:08:44

>> Okay, that'll be uh that exhibit will be

2:08:48

uh

2:08:50

moved into evidence. Thank you.

2:08:52

>> Thank you. Um, okay, just a few more

2:08:55

questions here for you, Mr. Brown. Um,

2:08:57

did you create the existing lot

2:08:59

conditions at the property?

2:09:02

>> What was that? Sorry.

2:09:02

>> Did you create the existing lot

2:09:04

conditions at the property?

2:09:07

>> Does the building's approximately 8,300

2:09:10

square foot size in relation to the

2:09:13

approximately 4,300 square foot lot

2:09:16

create a hardship uh to developing the

2:09:19

property in conformance of the zoning

2:09:21

ordinance?

2:09:22

>> Yes.

2:09:23

and anything less than 10 units is not

2:09:26

financially feasible for this project.

2:09:29

>> Is the required variance the minimum

2:09:31

variance necessary to afford appropriate

2:09:34

relief to to redevelop this property for

2:09:36

residential purposes?

2:09:38

>> Yes.

2:09:39

>> Okay. And will you agree to comply with

2:09:41

all other city zoning ordinance

2:09:43

requirements and any reasonable

2:09:45

conditions that are imposed by this

2:09:47

board in making the apartment

2:09:48

conversion?

2:09:49

>> Yes.

2:09:50

>> Did you review the and the materials

2:09:53

that were submitted in support thereof.

2:09:55

>> Yes.

2:09:56

>> Okay. And to the extent applicable, do

2:09:58

you adopt the statements made in the

2:10:00

application and here tonight um as your

2:10:04

own statements?

2:10:05

>> Yes, I do.

2:10:06

>> Okay.

2:10:08

Uh and for all the uh aforementioned

2:10:11

articulated reasons um we have no

2:10:15

further questions for Mr.

2:10:17

and respectfully request this board uh

2:10:20

approve the requested variance uh in the

2:10:23

application here tonight. And uh with

2:10:26

that, we'll yield back for questions you

2:10:27

might have.

2:10:28

>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Petrina. Does the

2:10:30

board have any questions of uh Mr.

2:10:32

Brenamman?

2:10:40

>> I'm just curious. So, these units um

2:10:43

these 10 units are all I'm assuming be

2:10:45

market rate housing. Is that correct?

2:10:47

>> Yes.

2:10:48

>> Okay,

2:10:53

I'm good.

2:11:17

So they currently are all connected

2:11:20

as an office building. So our plans

2:11:23

involve moving and removing some of the

2:11:26

walls in the building, but we are trying

2:11:27

to preserve as much as possible. But it

2:11:30

is different. They are operating

2:11:32

currently as one.

2:11:46

>> Yeah.

2:11:47

Yeah. It'll end up being between $1,200

2:11:50

to $1,400

2:11:55

probably out.

2:11:59

Those are the numbers that make

2:12:21

>> parking

2:12:26

space.

2:12:29

cameras.

2:12:33

>> Um, I believe that

2:12:41

came

2:12:50

right next to

2:12:58

But that that lot is not owned by won't

2:13:02

be part of this uh agreement of sale is

2:13:05

that's

2:13:14

>> no but they they said they have reserved

2:13:17

spots there but it's

2:13:18

>> the lot is technically owned by Verizon

2:13:22

Bell Atlantic telephone company and

2:13:24

Pursuant to the deed that's also

2:13:26

attached to this application, there's an

2:13:28

access ement agreement

2:13:30

>> um to those eight parking spots,

2:13:32

>> right?

2:13:44

>> Well, I mean, I guess they, you know,

2:13:45

there could be a a camera on the

2:13:48

building itself, you know.

2:13:52

It looks like it almost is. I mean, it's

2:13:54

just something to think about.

2:14:10

>> I'm sorry.

2:14:22

singles.

2:14:28

Yeah, I think professionals in the city

2:14:32

want to do this project

2:14:35

downtown

2:15:04

I mean, I don't know whether they've

2:15:05

reached out, but I know they've

2:15:07

discussed this with the planning bureau.

2:15:24

>> I don't have any other questions.

2:15:27

You have any questions?

2:15:38

>> He's the broker.

2:15:41

>> I hope he's not opposed.

2:15:48

>> He's got a stake in this thing.

2:15:57

Okay.

2:15:58

>> Is there anything else, Mr. Katrina?

2:16:00

>> That was all we had.

2:16:01

>> Okay.

2:16:05

Okay.

2:16:17

recommendations

2:16:20

by

2:16:23

>> So your motion um Mr. Fipps is to um

2:16:29

grant the dimensional variance request

2:16:32

uh along with the conditions set forth

2:16:34

in the planning commission's um

2:16:38

resolution.

2:16:40

>> Is there a second?

2:16:42

>> So moved.

2:16:44

uh moved and seconded. All those in

2:16:46

favor signify by saying I.

2:16:48

>> I.

2:16:49

>> Okay. Um so your uh request was uh

2:16:53

granted. You'll get a written decision

2:16:55

within 45 days of today's hearing. Okay.

2:16:58

>> Thank you.

2:16:59

>> Thank you very much everybody.

2:17:00

>> Thank you.

2:17:03

Thanks.

2:17:25

>> Second.

2:17:30

>> All right. Thanks.

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