Harrisburg City Council - Legislative Session November 26th 2024

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legislative caucus and then we will call our legislative session to order

following.

Okay, so I'll call the meeting to order. Mr. Trude's Dale will lead our role

call this evening. I will deliver the invocation. The pleasure of allegiance will be

led by Councilwoman Davis. For communications this evening we are joined by

Mayor Williams who will share a presentation of the 2025 budget proposal. We will

then open the floor for courtesy of the floor followed by the approval of

minutes for the legislative session that occurred on November 12th, 2024.

Then you will hear reports of committees. I will deliver the first report on

behalf of the administration committee on the work session of November 19th,

2024. Next you will hear from our community and economic development committee

chair, Councilwoman Daniels on the work session of November 19th, 2024. Then you

will hear from our public safety committee chair, Councilman Jones on the work

session of November 19th, 2024. In the final committee report you will hear

this evening will be delivered by our public works committee chair, Councilman

Rodriguez on the work session of November 19th, 2024.

Ordinances for first reading. We have three bill seven of 2024 will move to the

budget and finance committee. Bill eight of 2024 will move to the budget and finance

committee. Bill nine of 2024 will move to the budget and finance committee. We have

one ordinance for amendment. If there are any bill six of 2024, one ordinance for final

passage that's bill six of 2024 which we will vote upon. Resolutions resolution 72 of 2024.

We will vote upon resolution 73 of 2024. We will vote upon resolution 74 of 2024. We will

vote upon resolution 75 of 2024. We will suspend the rules for discussion. I believe there

is one amendment that will be offered. And then we will vote upon the resolution as amended.

Resolution 76 of 2024. We will vote upon resolution 77 of 2024. We will suspend the

rules for discussion. Then vote upon. Resolution 78 of 2024 will move to the administration

committee. Resolution 79 of 2024 will move to the public safety committee. Resolution 80 of 2024.

It's my understanding solicitor Grover. We need to suspend the rules for discussion and

vote upon this evening. Is that correct? Thank you. Resolution 81 of 2024 will move to the

community and economic development committee. Resolution 82 of 2024 will move to the community

and economic development committee. Resolution 83 of 2024 will move to the budget and finance

committee. Resolution 84 of 2024. We also need to suspend the rules for discussion and vote

upon. And resolution 85 of 2024. We will suspend the rules and vote upon. Is there any old business

for discussion council members? Seeing and hearing none any new business? Okay. Seeing and hearing

none. Then we will adjourn. So the time is now 6.18 pm. I will call our legislative session

to order. Mr. Trusel, could you please call the role?

Ms. Daniels. Ms. Davis. Ms. Green. Ms. Jones. Ms. Rose. Ms. Rodriguez. Ms. Bowers.

President, thank you. I will lead our invocation this evening. I would like to take a few minutes

to honor the life and legacy of Mr. Jim Thompson, Harrisburg school board director. Jim has served

his community well. Jim is no stranger to Harrisburg City Council in 2017. Jim served as the Harrisburg

school district appointee to the Lurda appeals board. Last year, Mr. Thompson was appointed to serve as

a member of the building and housing code board of appeals of the city of Harrisburg given his

background as an architect. He offered over 40 years of professional experience managing and designing

a broad range of projects including schools, low cost housing and community centers.

Selected projects included the Boys and Girls Club of Harrisburg, John and Hall Clubhouse

Edition, the Hamilton Health Center, New Head Start and Child Daycare Center, Icare Clinic,

Campus Planning and Parking Expansion, the Pennsylvania Counseling Services, Shemel Building renovations,

and the Harrisburg Housing Authority Office renovations. Jim or the Wise Owl as he referred to

himself was currently serving as a Harrisburg school board director. He previously served as the

board president. He took a keen interest in the success of the students within the Harrisburg

school district. He advocated for apprenticeship and mentoring opportunities for students.

He and his wife, Jane, could often be seen in attendance at Kougar Football Games cheering the

team on to victory. Jim will be greatly missed. In the same manner as the Harrisburg school board this

evening, please join me in a moment of silence remembering the life and legacy of Mr. Jim Thompson.

Thank you. The Pledge of Allegiance will be led by Councilwoman Davis.

Let's all stand please.

Thank you, Councilwoman Davis. For communications this evening, we are joined by Mayor

Wanda R.D. Williams who will share a presentation of the 2025 budget proposal. Mayor Williams.

Thank you, Councilwoman. Good evening, President Bowers. Vice President Greene and members of Harrisburg City Council.

As in previous years during my administration, my staff and I would like to thank you again for giving us

an opportunity to present a preliminary review of our 2020 City of Harrisburg General Fund budget.

We continue to move forward in the right direction and to focus on a safer and brighter future for

the City of Harrisburg. As you already know, there has always room for more growth and much

of that will be accomplished with this current forward thinking administration. I would like to take

this moment to express my appreciation for the input and support we continue to receive from City

Controller Charlie Day Bruner, our county manager Brian McCutchen, our budget manager Timothy Brooks,

and the assistance they have received from their co-workers and colleagues within the finance department.

This year the administration was presented with numerous challenges.

Early in the year, we lost our previous business administrator and finance director.

However, our entire finance team stepped up to the plate to meet these challenges and has

insured the smooth operations of the finance department. The administration started working on

the budget in the early spring of this year. The guidance, input, and timeline management initially

received from the former business administrator, finance director greatly assisted us in being able to

finalize this proposed budget document and present a balanced budget to you and on time.

Recently, we hired business administrator Sam Sikowski who brings a wealth of share information

along with his knowledge of finance experience. We are ready for your review of the budget and looking

forward to answer any questions you may present. In the meantime, my staff will continue to take

an in-depth look at the proposed budget to ensure it is completed for City Council and the City of

Harrisburg residents by December 31. I am happy to showcase some positive areas of this budget,

which will help support our confidence in moving the city forward. Of course, there are some

areas of concern that will also be shared. First, the good news is we have a balanced budget.

There will be no tax increases, no layoffs, and no cuts in any service to the citizens of Harrisburg.

Our revenues exceed expenditures and there is no need to use the cash fund balance.

Most of our employees are happy to be employed by the City of Harrisburg and strive to do their best.

The mayor's office still has and always will have an open door policy. My administration sponsors

and employee luncheon event every summer and in the fall and winter serve a holiday lunch.

This year's holiday lunch will take place on Thursday, December 12. We appreciate our staff and we

would continue to invest in our employees. It is and always will be my top priority to make sure

the City of Harrisburg is a wonderful place to live and to enjoy festivities, such as the July

Music Series, Halloween Bash at the Brownstone, the Christmas Tree Lighting event, the holiday parade,

winter wonderland, and the upcoming New Year's Eve celebration in the Atrium of City Hall.

Our Public Works Department has been working diligently to keep the city clean and to maintain a

well-lit up city. The Department has fulfilled its responsibilities and has partnered with other

departments to assist in getting the needed work done. Public Works also has been working closely

with the Coates Enforcement Department assisting with the demolition of blighted properties,

which has saved the city a great deal of money. Continuing to handle large-scale paving projects

which has been cost-saving because we do not always have to use outside contractors to perform all

of the work and duties of the paving task. Public Works has continued to fulfill the revenue contracts

for trash pickup, instillment, tax tank, and pembroke burrows. Our Parks and Recreation Department

has continued to plan events for the public, which includes children as well as adults.

We have submitted a revised plan to the State Department of Economic Development requesting to improve

our public parts. Unfortunately, we had to replace an interim director to replace our former

director of economic development and building and housing. We did not miss a beat because we were

able to quickly identify an interim director. I am happy to say that Gloria Martin Roberts has

making things happen and the Home Repairist Program has been implemented and moving forward successfully.

Our affordable housing projects are coming to fruition and I'm sure you have seen the new structures

throughout the city. Next on the agenda for the Economic Development and Building and Housing Office

will be to address the needs of our Senior Citizen Center, the Hines-Manager Senior Center,

which is the only Senior Center in the City of Harrisburg. Yes, public safety continues to be a

major concern for the City of Harrisburg but the Harrisburg Police Department continues to do

an outstanding job along with county, state, and federal agencies with the reduction

and suppression of crime within the surrounding areas. The Group Violence Initiative grant

is now being managed by a project coordinator who has been working closely with gun violence

victims throughout the City of Harrisburg. Very shortly we have in many labor management meetings

to address the upcoming police and absentee contracts. But in the meantime as always we will continue

to protect and serve our community. Since the law bureau bought in a lean specialist in May of 2023,

the focus has been on accounts with significant past due balances and owing trans bills.

In that time the city has issued required legal notices and pursued collections again both residential

and commercial accounts. Managing the unhoused population has been a human services and financial

challenge for the City of Harrisburg. We had to relocate this population due to road

and infestation and other issues. We have been participating in meetings with representatives from

other entities such as Doffin County commissioners, Doffin County Health and Human Services,

Governor Shapiro's office, downtown Delhi-Bred, Christian Churches United and others.

The governor's representative has asked us to prepare a report outlining the cost expenditures

incurred by the City of Harrisburg. President Bowers and council members, please be assured

as in previous years this budget is physically sound and responsible. Again there are no tax increases

and this administration continues to invest in the people of Harrisburg. And this was all done without

three major positions filled in the year 2024. I am looking forward to working through this budget

process and a joint effort to finalize the 2025 budget. Thank you all.

Thank you Mayor Williams. We will now move to courtesy of the floor just a few housekeeping notes

before we begin. If you could please state your name and your address for the meeting record if you

don't feel comfortable sharing your address please share the vicinity in which you live within the city.

You will have four minutes to share your comments. Mr. Trude's Dale will serve as our time keeper.

I will begin to my right. Is there anyone that would like to offer public comment?

Please come to the microphone.

My name is Benjamin Hall. I live in Midtown Harrisburg, New York, Calcars Street.

And will we be presented to the public comment now or at another point?

You may share your comments now. Okay. So for anyone not familiar with the situation,

I'd like to present comments about resolution 75 which has to do with the

10103 South Front Street. As it pertains to the capital area Greenville which is the bike path that

runs for around 19 miles around the city of Harrisburg, as it stands the buyers of the property,

Tunnel says Hours has not made any concessions to the general public for how to proceed with an

alternative route for the Greenbelt. As the Greenbelt runs through with the property and has for

several decades. So the capital area Greenbelt Association which is a volunteer association

associated with helping keep the Greenbelt up to par or maintain or expand it

has said publicly that they don't want to pursue this original route and they want to try to

pursue a different route at the estimated costs of about $3 million. And it's my opinion that

changing strategies here is not a wise decision for the association or for and it won't provide,

it won't, it probably won't be a good solution because the estimated costs are $3 million

for not pursuing that according to their statement. And if they simply made concessions for

moving the route a little bit which would cost them a much lower amount then it would save everyone

a lot of time and time money and you wouldn't have to go through the corridor which is temporary

right now which goes over the bridge next to the pinned up building and on Cameron Street. So

that concludes my comment on that matter. Thank you. Thank you.

Okay. Hi, my name is Brandon Basem. I'm from Uptown, North Third Street. I'm here for two reasons.

One I was happy to hear that the city and their budget is going to be looking at hopefully getting

some outside help with the cost of the relocation of the original homeless encampment whether or not

all of us agree that it was inevitable. However, we do have the issue that we have a current homeless

encampment and we know that it's going to get swept this next year because of PennDOT. We've known that

for years. We still haven't seen a tangible plan for what's going to be done and if we keep allowing

the timeline to get pushed back to when it happens the administration is again I'm going to act like

they were taken by surprise. We've had no choice if they had to sweep them and send them with nowhere to

go and we could be preparing with the county with whoever might help with state agencies to get them housing

to get them relocated to do something besides just having the police or you know PennDOT come in

and remove them so it'd be great to see some action on that. And then secondly just to speak to

what Penn did quickly. I agree with what he says. I think we have two issues here. The Greenbelt is not only

great for recreation for biking. It's a path for people from a parts of Harrisburg like up on the hill

to get down to needed services without having to be in the streets. Without a car we know that's

incredibly dangerous. We also know that in past years we fail to do things like the safety

improvements on the state street or really anywhere else. So now to take away one of the few paths

between the city really does keep it segregated like during the bad days of white flight when they put

you know highway thirsty to separate us. My thing is you know the old Greenbelt would be great if

you can get concession that's preferable. I would also love to see this development not be you know

approved until there's some concession to allow path behind even fenced off but if there are

going to be improvements I want to see something solid because we were told state street would happen

as soon as it was cancelled they're going to get right back on it but we can't keep the city

engineer. Three years and three million dollars rounding people up on the cabaret street over a bridge

is entirely too dangerous and again at a certain point I failure to fix a problem that you know

is dangerous you're no longer you're negligent. It's not an accident anymore you will have those

people to get hurt so I would like to see something faster on the rear out or possibly keeping the old path

and again a plan for what to do with the homeless that are going to get swept when they expand

83 that we knew is coming would be fantastic thank you. Thank you.

Good evening members of city council my name is Sheila Galford I'm here tonight in my capacity as

the policy and program liaison for the Heinz senior center I'm speaking about resolution 77

Mr. Borg the executive director had a prior engagement and asked me to attend in his behalf I am

joined by Mr. Borg strain who is the Heinz Center Board chair a long time volunteer and who will also

provide remarks this evening we are here to speak in support of resolution 77 and it's important

to the ability of the Heinz Center to provide ongoing programs and community outreach to the city of

Harrisburg the Heinz Center is the only state designated senior center in Harrisburg founded in 1972

by John Heinz and Min Medaker who served as a president of city council its designation as a state

certified local senior center carries with this certain expectations but little funding

indeed the level of funding provided to senior centers has not increased since the year 2000

although needs and services to be provided have increased immeasurably the local community the city

the county and the state rely upon Heinz for some of the following meals on wheels in some communities

meals on wheels is underwritten by churches or supported by volunteers in Harrisburg uptown

Harrisburg in particular meals on wheels is provided by Heinz today Mr. strain volunteered to

accompany a paid staffer to develop to deliver about 55 to 60 meals to seniors let's do the math using

55 Heinz does this five days a week 52 weeks a year 55 times five is 275 we take that 275 and multiply that

by 52 that comes to 14,300 meals that are delivered each year to the residents of Harrisburg

Heinz has done this for 20 years that comes out to about 286,000 meals that's a big number right

in Hershey they have resources trying to write these costs in Harrisburg we do not

Heinz employs local people who are loyal and deserving we want to continue their practice and we can

with your help 14,300 visits per year is an extraordinary number in reign and sleep in snow we

deliver now let's look at those points of contact expressions of caring and concern by Heinz

and let's look at that data and look at what we do in house we see and or speak to about 30

persons per day five days a week we provide lunch five days a week and there is over there sometimes

members of our unhoused communities stop in for a meal anyone who stops in is given a meal some of

you have stopped in on occasion we've offered you a meal or a program 30 persons per day times five equals

150 150 times 52 equals 7,800 points of relationship of concern of caring your family our friends

your constituents our loved ones those in need add 7,800 to 14,300 your total is 22,100 the moment of

connections with our community members that are initiated by Heinz annually that's a big number I

submit this is why we advocate for resources sufficient to help I have to thank you I have more

and I'd be happy to answer any questions thank you thank you

good evening my name is board strain it used to be a long time resident of Harrisburg and

from a large Braxton family and also the string of family I currently live in outside Harrisburg but

much much to the consternation of my mother who's what love the place and so do I but I'm here on behalf of

the Heinz Center where I've been affiliated with the last 15 years starting primarily as a meals on

wheels deliver of between the river and seven street and north street up to the city line in Harrisburg

and the numbers are very you know people new people are added people die it's a senior citizen so

there's a continual flow and as I said I grew up in Harrisburg my aunt was Harriet Brachkin who was

a long time former member of city council I'm a retired engineer structural engineer work for 48

years with the the distinguished firm of Majesque Masters who built many bridges in Harrisburg and

Philadelphia the Ben Franklin Walt Whitman about 13 bridges over the Mississippi River and so on and I

had an enjoyable career there and you know I grew up with the idea of civic rent you you have to

somewhere as a citizen pay back and I guess Heinz and a few other activities on the board of WITF

school board and subsequent township on the board of the Tripway Central Pennsylvania and continuing

now in retirement with my main activity in pain civic rent is the Heinz Medical Center and we do need

your help we were hurt severely by COVID but we stayed open with staff that wasn't paid provide

on several occasions a platform for COVID vaccination and food distribution we to keep we keep

to the mission and center of the vision the the chart upon which was established Alex Reiber of Miller

Dixon and Drake is our accountant and he provides strong oversight of our finances we help and support

many seniors through various activities as was previously mentioned by Sheila I hope you will give

consideration and positive affirmation to resolution 77 Heinz serves a broad range of needs within

Harrisburg and it has demonstrated the necessity for its existence again and again we need resources

we invite all of you to visit and participate I forget the gentleman's name at the end of the he

was just up there last week councilman Jones yeah and we appreciate that so we invite all council

members to come up see what we do see what look at our facility one of the things that being an engineer

I'm particularly proud of is we have a facility that if a city inspector came in we meet standards on

cleanliness the roof is perfect the air condition is perfect we spend money to maintain that building

because we want a proud you want a nice building in Harrisburg there are so many facilities here

they're dilapidated not well kept but when you come to the Heinz you're going to see a well kept

building thank you very much thank you is there anyone else to my right that would like to offer public

comment seeing the hearing no one anyone in the middle section

I am John Higgy I live in Hampton Township but I'm here on behalf of the Board of Veterans Outreach

of Pennsylvania which is at 11.05 south front street and we just wanted to express our support for

the resolution 75 and approving the ton of the towers project that affordable housing will provide

a place for our graduates to use the you know return for the folks that complete our program

to have stable housing and not return to homelessness once they've come in and gone through our therapeutic

model we appreciate the support that we've gotten in the work that we've done with the green belts

or supported the work with the tunnels towers is done with the Green Belt Association to find a

workable solution to not have that run through the private property any longer which just really

does not commensurate with how it's a sober facility it's a small community it just really doesn't

allow for people walking through it all day and biking through it all day every day so we do appreciate

the work that they've done and again we wanted to speak in support of the Tonos the Towers Project

at 11.03 south front street thank you is there anyone else in the middle section that would like to

offer public comment

good evening my name is Ken Stambaugh I live at 1696 Britannia Court in Harrisburg I'm currently serving

as a doff in county commander of the American Legion I represent 14 posts I'm joined by the district

commander John are also our other John John is the manager of the veterans affairs homeless shelter

up on second street and commander Steve Holmes out of Pennbrook commands that post I'm here to support

resolution 75 Harrisburg has a long history of welcoming home our veterans I was born and raised

here in the city I was born here because my mother was stationed here in World War II it goes all the way

back Harrisburg's history with our welcoming home our veterans goes all the way back to the Civil War

with the homeland center not just camp curtain being the basic training site for so much during the

union war but after the war we welcomed home our veterans Harrisburg is a military city we're surrounded

by military bases and all of us that serve in the American Legion serve for our veterans and to welcome

them home this has been a tough war it's been a tough tough 20 years on our young people this facility

we have to thank everybody that's doing it this growth we appreciate the land Tom Zimmerman my

buddy that started veterans outreach a PA these are some great people that can turn you that

tradition of welcoming home veterans to Harrisburg I ask you to continue that by approving 75

with without the way the green I want to thank the green belt too further the way they're working

with tunnel the towers to modify the route as appropriate thank you thank you is there anyone

else in the middle section that would like to offer public comment yes

I'm Doug Hill and I'm the president of the capillary green belt association with the 709 green street

here in the city and I'm here actually double dipping tonight I'm here in support of resolution

resolution on behalf of the towers has been represented we have been working with

tunnel towers and property owners and others on finding an appropriate accommodation for relocating

the green belt trail the reroute that we we have under review we discussed with you at the work

session we're still completing our feasibility study that but we do think it's going to be a workable

routes going to be safe routes going to be attractive and environmentally sound the other reason I'm

here tonight is later on your agenda you have a resolution in support of a grand application

department from the academic development and that is our first salvo at major funding for the relocation

effort and we will appreciate your favorable consideration for that as well as these two agenda items

come before you if there are questions you have for me I'd be happy to answer them thank you

thank you is there anyone else in the middle section that would like to offer public comment

seeing and hearing no one anyone to my left

okay seeing and hearing no one we will move forward with our meeting agenda next we have the

approval of minutes for the legislative session that occurred on November 12th 2024 council members

are there any revisions to those minutes hey seeing and hearing none the minutes stand approved

next we have reports of committees I will deliver the first report on behalf of the administration

committee on the work session of November 19th 2024

on Tuesday November 19th 2024 the administration committee met to discuss two resolutions resolution 72

of 2024 which is a resolution confirming the appointment of mr. Jonathan L. Love Jr. S. Guire to serve

as an assistant city solicitor for the city of Harrisburg and resolution 76 of 2024 which is a

resolution authorizing the city of Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a memorandum of

understanding with the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania relating to certain waterway enhancements to better

serve the health and safety needs of those of voters mr. Love was present to answer any questions

council members had he began by introducing himself he received his JD from Drexel University law

school in Philadelphia he served as a public defender for three years in the city of Philadelphia

and he also has experience as the sole proprietor of his own practice council members asked the following

questions what impact do you hope to make any conflicts of interest what drew you here hardest challenges

how are you liking it so far mr. Love hopes to make hopes to impact the city of Harrisburg by

changing the structures of law mr. Love has no known conflicts of interest mr. Love was drawn here by

Love but his mother also works for the Philadelphia city council so he's hopeful to have some

commonalities and good discussion there there is he says there's no lack of work he enjoys legal

research and learning new areas of the law finally mr. Love was encouraged to be still and stay

and give us a chance in reference to resolution 76 chief interline was present on behalf of the

bureau of fire I'm sharing that the bureau was approached by pendat to

to place permanent buoys for the safety of voters as we mentioned in the caption

we reviewed the stakeholders that were all participating in this effort it seems like it is a group effort council

members asked the following questions what do the buoys do how do they protect residents how are

you planning on maintaining these buoys navigational charts or sensors how much does it cost

so some of the responses received where these are removable buoys that are marked up and downstream

both sides of the river they're 3.2 feet historically low significant rise in buoys washing away

so the permanency is preferred larger three-feet in diameter one inch chain people could grab onto them

so there is an anchoring point if someone should need assistance there's a 50 year warranty so there's

of course a long history of installing these buoys in reference to the question about navigational

charts or sensors the answer was no in reference to the question related to the cost

and if there was ongoing maintenance needed a pendat will maintain them for six years so they will

install and maintain them for six years what if something happens chief interline was pretty confident

working with the state geologists that the permanent buoys will be secure and will be able to assist

should someone need assistance I would recommend support of both resolution 72 of 2024 which will

further enhance our law bureau and offer our solicitor more assistance so welcome and resolution 76

of 2024 proves to be a great public safety measure so this concludes the report of the administration

committee the next report you will hear will be delivered by our community and economic development

committee chair councilwoman Daniels on the work session of November 19th 2024

2024 the community and economic development committee met the resolution 75 type of 2024 which is

the preliminary final land development plan for 11 or 3 south french street the applicants were

tunnel to towers foundation and the plan is to build a property with 64 units on two floors above

a communal area along with 20 detached comfort homes all of the homes will be affordable to the tenants

and tenants will be obligated to contribute 30% of their income to those units in addition to the

applicants presenting we heard from the green belt association and their plans for rerouting the

green belt however the green belt doesn't have a property interest in the lots that have been that we

are discussing today and I guess sorry I should discuss the conditions the the planning commission

when it came to this property had established four conditions redesigning pedestrian access landscape

screening around parking areas coordinating with the arborist on the city arborist entry retention

and screening and there was a fourth one the project should accommodate a relocated capital area

green belt connection along the property southern boundary connecting the railroad bridge to the emergency

access road based on our conversations we are I am recommending that we remove

condition number four since we do not have a real legal basis to make that request as the city

has not does not own the property and the the project itself is completely retained within

that surrounding property so the bill is introduced today on the agenda has the includes that the

recommendation that that fourth provision be removed and that's pretty much it you know council members

had several questions around the green belt project but as I mentioned the green belt doesn't have a

property interest in in that lot and there doesn't seem to be an interest in securing that lost

through lawful means so so I would recommend that we go ahead and approve the ordinance the resolution

with the included amendment would include a change I would like to ask the applicants of their

presence that they consider taking efforts to remade the land from its previous use and that concludes my

report for that session thank you the next report you will hear will be shared on behalf of the

public safety committee our chair councilman Jones on the work session of November 19th 2024 thank you

president bowards um mr. truce del can you read uh no this is my session on November 19th 2024 the

public safety committee was held where we discussed bill six of 2024 summary of this session was an

ordinance amending title three of the codified ordinances of the city of Harrisburg known as public

safety code at part three general offenses by adding their to section three seventy five entitled

unlawful manufacturing of firearms to prohibit the use of three-dimensional printers for manufacturing

of firearms the transfer use or conversion of unfinished firearms and certain equipment

and prescribing penalties for violations thereof present to discuss was Brandon flood formerly of cease

fire where we discussed the needs of cities like ours to be proactive in this regard we would also

like for this ordinance to have more teeth he also stated that this is an opportunity to educate

the public in our school district as we have a new superintendent that wants to educate around

done violence and how to implement more safety measures this also helps with the current gbi

we now have in place in our building upon also york and redding have also acted on this ordinance

he also referenced on the federal level on october the afe the supreme court had an oral argument

garland versus vandorck stop where this would also allow us to move forward in this direction some of

the questions that were answered i mean acts by my colleagues will we be able to amend in areas of

this ordinance when needed the answer was yes council also acts about the enforcement and mr. flood

and myself share that we do have the support of our d a does this ordinance cover the devices such as

switches no um no it does not cover the part that is called a switch how i mean who are the

prohibited persons anyone who are the prohibited prohibited persons that this will affect and these

are the people that do not have the proper proper licency to manufacture in or carry or sale and that

ends my report of the public safety regarding bill six of 2024 and i ask my colleagues to support

bill six of 2024 thank you thank you the final committee report you will hear will hear

this evening will be delivered by our public works committee chair councilman rodry yes on the work

session of november 19th 2024 thank you madam president on november 19th of 2024 the Harrisburg

city council public works committee met to discuss two resolutions the first was resolution

73 of 2024 a resolution authorizing the city of Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a professional

service contract with christ Dawson architect to provide architectural services for renovation of

the restaurant facilities at the public works building located at 1820 paxing street the resolution

was geared towards restoring and making the restaurants and public works building ADA compliant joining us

was direct the west from the public works department mr. west stated the public comes into use these

facilities and ensuring they are safe and up to date is mandatory there were no questions from council

pertaining to resolution 73 of 2024 also discussed was resolution 74 of 2024 a resolution approving the

disposal of certain personal properties owned by the city of Harrisburg which have exhausted its useful

life for city operations the resolution was geared towards consolidating and liquid dating are

outdated and unused equipment in the city of Harrisburg the vast majority of this would be outdated

vehicle parts and vehicles that have outlived their purpose joining us once again was direct the west

from the public works department mr. west stated these items can be sold to repurpose those funds in

much needed areas in the department there were no questions from council pertaining the resolution

73 of 2024 highly encourage my colleagues to support both resolutions and that concludes the

report from the public works committee from the work session of november 19th of 2024 thank you

madam president thank you very much we will now move forward with our meeting agenda we have ordinances

for first reading the first is bill 7 of 2024 mr. true sale could you please read it into the record

bill 7 2024 in ordinance establishing the budget for the municipal government of the city of Harrisburg

for the year 2025 thank you next we have bill 8 of 2024 mr. true sale could you please read it into

the record bill 8 2024 in ordinance amending decodified ordinances of the city of Harrisburg title 5

licensing and taxation part 5 real estate taxes chapter 5 501 property tax by establishing for the year

2025 a tax levy on land and improvements and providing for the distribution of taxes levied

and assessed and providing for a tax rebate for the difference between the tax due and attributable

to the year 2025 tax levy over the tax due and attributable to the year 2006 tax levy for qualifying

senior citizens thank you bill 9 of 2024 can you please read it into the record bill 9 to the

2024 in ordinance amending chapter 5 503 tax abatement and exemptions of title 5 licensing and taxation

code to extend the statutory termination date by one year to December 31st 2025 thank you

we have one ordinance for amendment that's bill 6 of 2024 mr. true sale could you please read it

into the record bill 6 2024 in ordinance amending title 3 of decodified ordinances of the city of

Harrisburg known as the public safety code at part 3 general offenses by adding their two section

375 entitled unlawful manufacturer of firearms to prohibit the use of three-dimensional printers for

the manufacturer of firearms the transfer use or conversion of unfinished firearms and certain equipment

and prescribing penalties for the violation thereof thank you we have one ordinance for final

passage that's bill 6 of 2024 mr. true sale could you please read it one more time

bill 6 2024 in ordinance amending title 3 of decodified ordinances of the city of Harrisburg known

as the public safety code at part 3 general offenses by adding their two section 375 entitled unlawful

manufacturer of firearms to prohibit the use of three-dimensional printers for the manufacturer of

firearms the transfer use or conversion of unfinished firearms and certain equipment and prescribing penalties

for the violation thereof thank you council members are there any questions comments or concerns

related to bill 6 of 2024 seeing and hearing them mr. true sale could you please call the vote

miss Daniels miss Davis yes miss green yes mr. Jones yay miss rolls yes mr. Rodriguez yes

miss banners yes bill 6 2024 passes by vote of 7 to 0 thank you

next we have resolutions the first resolution for consideration this evening is resolution 72 of

2024 mr. true sale could you please read it into the record

resolution 72 2024 a resolution confirming the appointment of mr. Jonathan Jonathan

L. Love Jr. S. Quarer to serve as an assistant city solicitor for the city of Harrisburg

thank you council members are there any questions comments or concerns related to resolution 72 of 2024

seeing and hearing none mr. true sale could you please call the vote miss Daniels

miss Davis yes miss green yes mr. Jones yay miss rolls yes mr. Rodriguez yes miss banners yes

resolution 72 2024 passes by vote of 7 to 0 thank you next we have resolution 73 of 2024 mr.

true sale could you please read it into the record resolution 73 2024 a resolution authorizing the city

of Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a professional services contract with crystal and architect

to provide architectural services for renovation of the restroom facilities at the public works building

located at 18 20 packs in street thank you council members are there any questions comments or

concerns related to resolution 73 of 2024 seeing and hearing none mr. true sale could you please call

the vote miss Daniels miss Davis yes miss green yes mr. Jones yay miss rolls yes mr. Rodriguez yes miss banners

yes resolution 73 2024 passes by vote of 7 to 0 thank you next we have resolution 74 of 2024 Mr.

true sale could you please read it into the record resolution 74 2024 a resolution approving the

disposal of certain personal property owned by the city of Harrisburg which has exhausted its useful

life for city operations thank you council members are there any questions comments or concerns related

to resolution 74 of 2024 seeing and hearing none mr. true sale could you please call the vote miss Daniels

miss Davis yes miss green yes mr. Jones yay miss rolls yes mr. Rodriguez yes miss banners yes

resolution 74 2024 passes by vote of 7 to 0 thank you next we have resolution 75 of 2024

mr. true sale could you please read it into the record resolution 75 2024 a resolution approving the

preliminary slash final land development plan for 1103 south front street thank you council woman Daniels

would you like to offer your amendment at this time the amendment was provided it's simply in the

conclusion says council approves the resolution the conditions one through three only that's that

was that was the amendment okay thank you for clarifying what is anyone interested in suspending the

rules for any final discussion I will entertain a motion to suspend the rules a move second thank you

councilman Jones yes is tunnels for towers in yes kaga rainbow have a couple questions for you

gentlemen if you can could even on Bruce Roseman from called well and current I represent the tunnel

to towers foundation on join by mr. Louise Medendez construction director for the tunnels to

towers foundation right here to answer your questions sir can everyone introduce yourselves please

louis minnes 70 oakwood avenue upperbunk claire new jersey handed director of construction for the

homeless veterans program at tunnels towers also joining me is mr. Hill he can do that

Douglas Hill president of the capillary green bell association thank you so I submitted you guys

asked that we have any questions our concerns and I did submit a question and again it was two

some of the residents that you may have heard this evening and wanted to be able to speak to some of

that some of the concerns is are about the rerouting of the green bell of course we told we discussed

earlier about widening which would be narrowing sicklemore street which you know I was pretty much

against but just to give them some type of concrete insurance that this that this rerouting would

and be harmful to them because against some of the concerns where it's a safer route for them

rather riding in in the public spaces and I know you know because of the the ownership of this

and it just want to be able to give comfort to them to make sure that this will be addressed and not

just push to the side so if anyone wants to speak to that since it's not our project sir

since it's not a problem part of the tunnels to towers project I'm going to let mr.

Hells speak we have no knowledge of that thank you thank you as we indicated at the

council meeting last week we're completing the engineering review feasibility of rerouting as

you described onto sicklemore street and then through private properties and reconnecting to the

green bell in the air of chenoise street the engineering review is still incomplete but we are awaiting

the written report for the traffic and traffic study that is necessary as a part of that and

it's something that we've discussed previously with the city engineer and others verbally we have

assurance that the widening of the sidewalk and as you say the concurrent narrowing of sicklemore

street is well within the tolerances that pentat has for a street of that nature that use that design

that speed limit and that traffic volume and so when we have the written report I think you will be

satisfied that it can be done in a way that accommodates the trail and does not in any way impede or

caused problems for the traffic primarily that uses the pen dot building okay so pretty much

I don't know how we can communicate this with you know our physician which our residents to again

I don't know if there's a way for them to be in contact with you as well just you know just want

to put some secure I mean because again we are and a grants of this project personally let me say that

but you know when it comes to residents in our safety that's just something that I cannot ignore because

you know that's what I work for absolutely and you can take our assurances that we are working on a

public campaign to have our users and the residents of the city understand what the design criteria is

going to be what they can expect from the green belt ultimately when the work is complete and for

that matter some additional safety improvements that we've been working with the engineering department

on in the interim until the work can be done because we recognize that the current detour

is not the best and that people have expressed problems and issues with it and so we are going

to do some things to improve its safety in its current condition as well. I thank you for that

consideration um the other thing that I would just ask is like the timeline for this so that you

they do have time to discuss with you and you may be able to share that information as you guys come

up with your final design plans. And we are accessible on both our website and Facebook if people want

to submit comments we will respond to those and we do intend to proactively keep people apprised

of what the timeline is going to be. We have to hedge that just a little bit now because as you know

this property is that we're working with is also impacted by the construction on I-83 so both

at the front street portion of the trail where the south bridge is going to be widened and then at

the upper end of the Pancy property where that's going to be a staging area for I-83 both of those

parts of the project are going to impact Sycamore Street as well and so that will create a little bit

of a delay and so it could be about a three-year tale until we get the trail completed.

Okay thank you man I think no have no further questions unless my colleagues do.

Any other questions? Yeah absolutely. As Councilman Jones stated definitely in support of the

project we see how substantial this could be for the community but my only confusion is it was

initially pitched kind of together and once we found out of the three million dollar additional

price tag that may be on the burden of the taxpayers it's like oh no no no we're completely separate right

I understand that also the project is called tunnels to towers geared towards the veterans no

first responders are included in the project which is misleading also there's no guarantee that Harris

Burke citizens will work or Harrisburg veterans will be able to stay it although they're allowed

there's no guarantee of like a priority beings though it's in Harrisburg I know it's your saying

coming from New Jersey but I was elected by the resident of the city of Harrisburg I have to defend

first and foremost I'm just conflicted because this price tag shouldn't be left on the capital

green belt to fend for themselves I think the project should come together in totality and be

presented in totality then to boot the way your solicitor or end or attorney had kind of

ratified the document at the end and then pitched it to us I just kind of think was an insult to

council that's just my take on it I know everyone feels differently but that's my take on it no further

statements thank you any further discussion I just wanted to point something out really quick I

think so after our meeting last Tuesday a few residents came to me and then we had two residents come

tonight and I think some confusion is well if that's the green belt which is owned by the city

along with Kaga why is it so easily being removed and rerouted and what I was trying to explain was

that we did not own that section of the green belt it was owned privately by somebody else and out

of the kindness of their heart they allowed the green belt to run through that section but now if when

they sell their property that means they sell that part of the green belt and now it has to be taken

out and rerouted so I just want to make sure that I was correct when I gave them the information and for

anybody else who has that concerned it is this I don't want to say disheartening but it does this place

a lot of our residents as they ride and walk through those sections so I think they're very upset because

they're not understanding clearly why this is being done and maybe not enough communication was given

through the process and then the way that the project is split up it is as though it's just saying okay

we brought this no so what no one cares we're rerouting it so I think that's where a lot of the

feelings and disruption are coming from so I just wanted to point that out and I just make one more

state and quickly Madam President yes and and I know you guys may not be aware of the unhoused

population in the area although you say you were familiar when I asked at least maybe a shower on

the off part west or east of the building just to show you know maybe some love and neighboring you

was like no no we're just going to put a wall up that was kind of or gate I'm sorry I don't want to

miss quote that was just kind of unsettling because you know it's an issue that we all would have to

face and you come in into the community would make us family right so help us with some of the issues

that we face every day here in the city thank you this one thing Mr. Grover is there time

constraint for this this has a deemed approved date of November the 30th for and otherwise it

becomes a deemed approved if this council didn't act on it and it would be deemed approved with

none of the conditions that's how that works under the municipal plan and cook right so the

the and I will note the councilman brought roles you are correct it's private property and there are

other parts of the green belt that are not on public property as well it's always been sort of a

negotiated graceful collective of many people making this happen over many many decades

the but but it is private property and there was much discussion before it got to council whether

the city would engage in a taking if it if we tried to mandate it and and that

yeah well you could but but but yeah it's called just compensation for riverfront land which is a pretty

big number so any further questions comments or concerns okay I will entertain a motion to resume our

legislative session so move is there a second second thank you so before us we have resolution 75

of 2024 just wanted to make sure because I was having some technical difficulties earlier so I missed

the amended version so we do have the amended version and on page three it notes that the resolution

is here by approved subject to only conditions one through three recommended by the Harrisburg

Planning Commission as set forth here and so I wanted to note that's where it's noted and bold

if anyone was following along there okay mr. Trousdale could you please read the resolution just one

more time before we vote resolution 75 2024 a resolution approving the preliminary slash final land

development plan for 1103 south front street thank you any final questions comments or concerns council members

no it's included and it's a meant we have the amended version so we're good so no further discussion mr.

Trousdale could you please call the vote Miss Daniels Miss Davis yes miss green yes

mr. Jones yay miss roles yes mr. Rodriguez yes miss banners yes resolution 75 2024 passes as amended

by about a seven to zero thank you next we have resolution 76 of 2024 mr. Trousdale could you please

read it into the record resolution 76 2024 a resolution authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

negotiate and enter into a memorandum of understanding with the commonwealth of Pennsylvania relating to

certain waterway enhancements to better serve the health and safety needs of those of voters thank you

council members are there any questions comments or concerns related to resolution 76 of 2024

seeing and hearing now mr. Trousdale could you please call the vote

Miss Daniels yes miss Davis yes miss green yes mr. Jones yay miss roles yes

mr. Rodriguez yes miss banners yes resolution 76 2024 passes by about a seven to zero

thank you next we have resolution 77 of 2024 mr. Trousdale could you please read it into the record

resolution 77 2024 a resolution approving the seventh proposed 2024 budget reallocation in the form

of technical corrections and confirming the award of certain available general fund program dollars

to senior programming thank you i will entertain a motion to suspend the rules for discussion

the move thank you i will defer to our budget and finance committee chair vice president green thank you

very much looks like we have someone from the budget and finance office as well as from parks and

erect to come and it's explained this a little bit so i'll give them some time to get up here

and just a kind of um clarify a little bit although uh it talks about programming funds for the

senior citizen center it also includes the funding for the parks and wrecks department that was pulled

out of the six proposed budget reallocation so it's kind of going two separate things here uh one is to

appropriate the $250,000 that we put towards senior programming for the high and senior center

a month or so ago it's officially appropriated and then we're also going to discuss um the

information that we requested from the six proposed budget reallocation where we pulled out the line

items for the parks and wrecks department so we'll discuss two things at one time we'll start with

the parks and wrecks side and then uh discuss the seniors center side as well so if you could

introduce yourself and then get it started i'm Sasha Rose that be director for parks and recreation

Kevin's in it's the parks and recreation manager

you have questions yes i think um and summary uh we had some questions about the money that was being

moved from various positions including a playground and pool supplies money uh what it was being

moved for as well as what improvements were done to the Jackson Lake pool i know we had originally

allocated i believe $55,000 it was a big discussion about it um towards the the summertime uh it

looks like all of that money wasn't used looks like um 30,000 could have already been moved somewhere else

throughout the year and then now it's looking for more to be moved so we're just looking to get an

explanation as so what was done for the Jackson Lake pool uh how much that cost and then i guess why

the rest wasn't used um and then i'll open it up after that for more questions so we did a lot of uh

work in house um the roof was done i believe that was they've did a lot of the uh the work but we did a

lot of park maintenance did a lot of the work internally so we bought the uh we bought all the paint so the

paint in the bathroom the paint in a swimming pool um some plumbing was done um shower heads

uh

uh there epoxy the floor

i got the bad mic can you guys hear me

uh you probably think that might be a good idea

can you hear me now uh so we replaced all the mixing valves within the plumbing systems and both

the men and women's restrooms re-apoxied all the floors uh in both locker rooms and re-apoxied the

entire pool shell itself we added new expansion joints within the pool which is always a big area

of issue for us as far as water loss every year and erosion in the ground

we put shower heads we added some toilet dividers were needed uh repaired plumbing areas within the

sinks uh we looked at patching the enamel within the sinks and painted the walls replaced most of the

ballast and lights within the locker rooms that were all in need of doing so and uh did a general

pressure washing of the exterior of the building repainted outside where the paint was peeling on the

locker rooms and uh pressure wash the concrete area itself to take any sort of mildew stains off of that

all right i guess um just a general question for me did we do everything we said we were going to do

that and more all right and um why do we come so far under budget so part of the funds uh came out of

the facilities department budget because we do budget for the poor repairs just minor poor repairs and

the other portion of the funds came out of the partial wreck budget and it was allocated to do

what we did um so that the normal things that we would pay for on an annual basis we paid for those

the things that were outside of that scope we didn't pay for those and that came out of the

the pot of money that you guys allocated in the parts of the wreck budget okay so essentially

we would have double allocated we allocated out of your budget and then when we did the reallocation

we still reallocate it for that money as well so essentially we accounted for it twice and spent it once

somewhat yeah i mean we we spent it from all the same pot of money it just came out of the budget

that it normally comes out of for normal repairs and then the abnormal repairs or the larger capital

improvement cost all came out of where they were supposed to from parts and wreck all right um that's

all i have i'm going to open up to my colleague starting to my far left with counterman Jones any questions

yes thank you vice president green so um as i'm looking at the budgets um i'm going to go on a

temporary line that there was an overspindage of $91,000 $566 dollars in 85 cents can someone explain

why this happened so this year the school district allowed out earlier um and started later so our

program usually runs seven and a half weeks it went like nine weeks and also what the swimming pool

the swimming pool usually ends up before um labor day but we went all the way into labor day

and then our after school program we pay for that and then we added a summer um the kids helped out

with our summer series of the the movies in the park and then they also helped out with like

our muggers day events every all our events that we have internally which is our first year having

all of these events we never had these events that the kids can participate in and work so there

was no calculation to see that this was going to be over the budget that you guys had

so there are calculations but um with the increase in salaries and just some significant changes

and trying to keep things fluid things kind of went up and that's the that's the problem for me because

first of all we get into the 12 hour to 24 hour I don't know if you guys caught this in the beginning

I don't know when you caught it but and under the time constraint that we are in right now we have

the vote on this tonight or somebody won't be getting paid and we'll be in trouble for this and I don't

think it's fair for us our our residents to have to make a decision in the 24th hour if you guys

already budgeted and planted this thing out so can someone explain that

you say budgeted if you if you knew that you were budgeting you had the summer programs the movies

in the park all of the things that you said that's a budget if you knew that you were going to spend

as you should have had a number or around about number but for us to get this again at the last minute

is not fair to us so I'm just wondering who is responsible for not seeing this and that's

91,566 dollars and 85 cents

so you know in the last two years we had some transition uh one of our department split

how things were funded the previous year and how things were budgeted out and how we got some of

the final numbers some things were not necessarily all in the same budget line so there might have

been some miscalculations uh if again if you add that this past season we had more individuals making

a little bit more money on their salaries than what was actually traditionally put down on paper

and as were some of these costs jump and in order to maintain safety and provide services at an adequate

level these were things that happened and this you know I apologize but this is not an intentional

oversight we did when we realized there was no oversight we reeled in some other costs we didn't do

some things we focused on safety which was keeping making sure we had staff out there to provide the

safety and that is paramount or number one goal so that means some things being done in some of the

parks we will take we can ask what Sasha stated about having more internal stuff being done park

maintenance so that's where we pulled it up and that's where we pulled it tight.

I have no further questions. Thank you um I guess just kind of to piggyback off of that um

leave it was last year we overspent on our temporary funding for our employees because we overhired

and no one noticed that we had overhired by 2030 people until it was like oh we won't be able to pay

the kids if you guys don't increase the budget so it kind of just seems like the same thing.

Yeah that was before us but we did cut that amount of kids by 50 this year so we cut them on the kids

increased them on a program increased the pay and all the pays already at set is that it's between

15 and 18 but each year they come back they have to get a raise so we have more returners this year than

usual so then they get they get that jump every year all right so we decreased the number of employees

and still overspent the increasing number of employees increased the amount that they were getting paid

because they were returners I think I believe 80% of them is returners.

Okay um and when was it caught that we were overspending?

September all right I'm going to continue to um open up for questions from my colleagues

councilmember Rodriguez thank you madam chair thank you parks and rec crew deputy Ross had

had a conversation with me on the phone so I'm kind of privy to a little bit but my main question

uh director Sanders you had said individuals or entities I'm not sure we're making more than what

was actually on paper could you elaborate on that sorry I'm not sure you had just made a statement

that it turned out to be individuals started making more than what was actually on paper you said

that verbatile. I'm sorry if I'm a spoke I'm saying that we have more individuals making 18 dollars an

hour this year than we ever have and we didn't calculate for that okay I'm just sorry let's

say that's right sorry if that's what came out we had eight more individuals made a statement from

17 and 18 dollars than normal okay okay years of fact we did not have the somehow we have a lot of

returning lifeguards um with lifeguard managers with some individuals who didn't move on but we have a

lot more people on a 17 and 18 dollar an hour you figure if they're making if they're working 35

to 40 hours to maintain safety not not not to cut you off it did it just alluded it gave as if

you were meaning like an administrator or a top tier employee the way you the way the conversation

was it alluded to that so I just wanted to clarify that that was all thank you. Councilwoman Rose thank

you vice president green I'm in good evening thank you everybody for being here tonight to answer

our questions so we can better understand this reallocation um what I want I know deputy Ross and

I also spoke on the phone about this reallocation because a few questions came up last time especially

about I think money was being taken out of the 170 thousand dollars to help reallocate for the

temporary positions but then um Brian had also brought up that another payment was coming out so we

weren't sure how much was going to be left and anybody correct me if I'm wrong but um so that was a

concern which is why we tabled it and then the second thing I know um you and I spoke on the phone

deputy Ross and you had explained that because we were on the risk on council if if we take from that

170 thousand which we always need pool improvements because right now in the city we have no pool out

the self because that needs to be figured out if we can even build one there and then we're trying to

keep Jackson like a float until we're able to use the grant money to renovate it um so our question

was well if we're taking that away from that 170 thousand won't we have less of course but we even

have enough to do what we need to do because there's always always come for a reallocation to do

pool improvements so can you speak to a little bit more about that what you and I spoke to on the phone

about somehow I think you said uh that 170 thousand gets replenished somehow I don't want to say

it incorrectly so can you speak more to that so we can understand please so we get the 170 every year

if you look in the budget for a 2025 it will be there so that 170 includes any emergency so

when the um shoes on that is open someone threw a brick on a slide that costed $6,000 so that comes out

of there so that happens with that that is for like emergencies like anything that breaks um a fence

that might been cut cut down at a box then or something like that so we use that funding for that

and also with our program and anything we need for the kids our program is not free we don't well it's

free for the community but we have to pay for those things and order for us to keep on doing this for

the community we need those funds to allow us to bring the children together so that's where that

money comes from as well okay thank you um was that fine council because I know that was a question of

ours with that 170 is that okay my second thing was um correct this is the second time we've

gone over budget and parks and rack especially with the temporary position so either deputy Ross

or finance department can you explain what have we put in place for this year to make sure that

we're not going to go over budget what kind of proactive um things that we put in place in the

budget this year for parks and rack

so are we looking at it closely um also I'm sorry would you I'm sorry say that again that

it I'll be looking at it closely so the the issue that we have is how much we're paying the children

and the amount of children that's coming back so when we cut the the budget we have kids and parents

come and parents is sick so it's like all right we'll be since the application was a little later we've

been taking all the applications that come first but the parents is coming in they're sick and they're

crying for their kids to come so it's like we have to add the ones that's returning because we feel bad

so and then they get a jump up and pay so it's like how can we get everybody in without going

over budget so it's we you just can and I think that's what and I and I know we and I don't I'm not trying

to say that and I'm not being heartless when I say that there's something we got to put in that we

have to be able to say and I love your heart for that and you know what I mean that's that's calling

but it's like if we keep doing it we're gonna go over budget I but I don't understand what you're saying

right so this year on March 28th we had already 200 I'm sorry 370 applications

we've never had that amount ever okay did I interview over 150 individuals this year we had a

substantial amount of rehires the substantial amount of individuals who've worked three four

years some eight nine years so this year was that year where the scale got tipped while we reduced

the number down to about 107 from the previous year we were about 135 years we were taking maybe a

little bit more when you all shake it all out but at the end of the day we went nine whole weeks

summer program nine full weeks we also had the pool open a lot longer than we did in the years past

where school started later these are substantial things and you know it's one pool we had 24

plus staffers we're staffing 16-18 lifeguards at the pool on the face we had we can't count we we're

at we're at capacity all through June all through July half of July we're at capacity we got

it we have to we have to provide safety and coverage the pool was packed every day this year

you know I'm sorry I just get that but I'm just saying again it get hard everything is good but there

has to be you have to be able to stop the bleeding at some point if there's too many people coming in

we don't have the money to give them we're over and then if you call it in September we're just now

getting it now tonight it's not good and then also in my just just to add I think I advocate for that

program because I love to keep the kids off the street but is there no other corner or no

Ukrainian where we can trim the fat to compensate I don't think the youth or the juvenile have to

suffer at all there's some other way we can come up with the money by just cutting some of the

things we necessarily don't need we did maybe through other departments we're saying that's just

a part of the the budgeting process right that's what we should be talking about now absolutely not

like literally now we shouldn't be talking about 2024's budget we should be talking about 2025's budget

and where we can pull from to increase this program funding to begin with and I think that's more

you know to begin with it's an administrative job right when they present the budget to make for sure

that it's that all that is calculated personally I would think that you'd automatically calculate

at the highest amount right automatically calculate that every position will be paid $18 an hour

because that that is your cap and if you underpay then maybe you can hire more people or expand

the programming I would say you budget at your max and hope to understand some but you don't budget

underspending and then have to overspend because then we find ourselves in that position and that's

just not the best fiscal management right and I'd like to add in the last two years

rather we're part is double on a day-to-day basis we're we're seeing 120 children out there

there's a need for that service and I want to make sure everybody understands why we we hold a line

we got to put you know probably you know for one adult child to maybe three or four you know three

or four kids so we do need to have that staff out there using reservoir as a key because that is

our our biggest park and that is the one that we were really we're navigating we had 370 individual

signed up last year we stopped we did what you did seven so amount we stopped at 228 we stopped I had

people sneaking putting their names on other parks and coming to reservoir and these are the things

that we're dealing with on a day-to-day basis we're trying to provide services at a high level

is that a quality control issue yeah I mean we're we're moving staff around left and right we did it all

year and we're trying to do these things to provide what we can we can cut we can stop but it comes

out of price and to me we have to practice what we're preaching if we're here if we're going to do it

for the children we got to do it for the children and that's our motto we do thank you

we're saying we're not going to price too no no if we're budgeting tight I mean this is a tight

budget I want to make sure everybody understands that but I realize we went over but again a lot of

that's around safety issues we have to staff and I don't think it's just about budgeting tight I think

it's about budgeting realistically right and knowing that if if we know that the need is there we know

that we're I mean it's a great thing that we're signing more kids up it's a great thing that we're

offering more programs it's a great thing that there's more opportunity that the pools open longer

although I believe it did open later than originally scheduled but you know it's a great thing that

it's open later it's a great thing that we've got after school programs it's a great thing that we've

got senior programming I don't think anyone here is saying cut the programs I don't think anyone here

is saying take the opportunities away from our children I think what we're saying is this is

something and maybe it's a training thing maybe it's a learning thing maybe it's working closer

with the finance department to better budget so that we don't run into these problems I don't think anyone

here saying we don't want you to have 91,566 dollars and 85 cents we're saying that this isn't the time

to becoming a asking for it it should have been asked for November of 2024 or excuse me 2023 not

that November 26 of 2024 we're having this discussion while we're also being presented with the budget

for 2025 because at the end of the day it's like as it was explained if this doesn't get done people don't

get paid from what I understand the finance department said we are at the point of running the risk that

if this is not passed in a reasonable amount of time as in today that we do run the risk of not being

able to to pay some of those positions so there's a city ordinance that prevents

the controller from signing a paycheck if there's not funding through the end of the budget year and they

are now approaching that in parks and rec we don't but we don't have any kids we have any no temporary staff

working right now so yeah but the the the issue is they they use the 91,000 out of your regular pay

roll to cover this and so the regular pay roll is what's coming up short the people that are actually

still working full time for us are now at risk of being laid off or not being paid I mean that's the

budgeting question because the controller literally is prohibited by law from signing a check without money in it

so that's why it's that's why there's some urgency to it you know and uh

right and so when it's looked at is like oh there's no one working right now so it's not really that big of a

deal we're cleaning it up after the fact if you pay check don't come tomorrow I don't think you'd be happy

about you know like it's just because the way the budget works although the money was already spent

it wasn't there to be spent so it was pulled from another park because it's technically one large

budget of personnel and so you could pay it out of the personnel budget but at some point it has to

be replenished um so when it comes to us it's to the point of if it doesn't get passed people don't get paid

and it puts the onus on count to not take the responsibility of asking these hard questions and

either standing online and saying okay well we don't agree with the way it was budgeted um but then

that's the the workers that are all punished for it and this is above their pay grade um you know they

didn't make the choice to have people work extra hours or do more programming um and so that's why it's

really important to us as count to members to really drive this point across because we're in budgeting

season and um like I said maybe it's a training thing but we have to take this serious along the year

that um I know we originally implemented quarterly reports uh we don't get all of our quarterly

reports now that they aren't coming down in person but part of it was to pay attention to some of

these things so that during your first second third quarter you can look and go okay we're looked

like we're about over budget in our temporary line item this is something we can address not that

we're waiting until we're over budget by $91,000 and saying if we don't do it someone doesn't get paid

because that's unfair to count to um but it meant you're just just try to be fair to everybody I think

because the people that normally would have brought this to the attention of the department and the

depension of the mayor and the attention of the council those two positions were vacant right still we

still had in place quarterly reports we could have been ahead of that I have any more questions

because I have comments where we are able to come down in front of us and compensate like this

that's been taken away not by you it's been taken away by administration

um she still has questions I just had a comment I just wanted to say just to wrap it back around that

I agreed like um deputy Ross and mr. Saunders you all have had amazing programs throughout this year

there's always something going on um I have been to many of the parks with my kids um the staffing is great

they're respectful I mean of course you always have a few who do what they want but that's that's

normal teenagers but they're easily redirected um you have managers the pool with staff the life

guards were wonderful every time I went to Jackson Lake it was packed um there were a lot of people there

I saw the difference in the locker rooms and the pool house all of those things so you know thank you

for a job well done I would just only say as we continue like we have a new budget here I just hope

that we budgeted higher up so then we're ready just in case we have extra staff because I don't want to

turn the kids away either but we do have to have a point where we have to say okay listen I'm sorry

all the jobs are filled that's reality that's life um and as big as we want and as much as we want to

make sure we do everything for this community if someone doesn't come and fill out an application

on time then they're unable to get a position especially if we know we don't have it budgeted for

so I just want to end with saying like I hope that in the budget we have in front of us and if not

please correct it and give us a sheet before we go to vote on anything or have to amend anything

just let's be proactive about it let's make sure we have budgeted for extra positions this summer knowing

hey we only budgeted for 50 but we know we probably gonna get about 60 kids or 50 of those kids are

going to get higher pay so please give that a look before we look at it have to vote on it amended let's

just be proactive about it so that would be my end comment thank you again for coming tonight and

explaining this thank you president Bowers I have three points I'd like to make and then we'll move on

the first is following up on quarterly reports I just wanted to share the purpose of the quarterly

reports they are twofold they are a budgeting tool so that when we get to this budget hearing season

we already know what to expect within each of the departments and bureaus we want we will not be

blindsided by shouldn't be by blindsided by anything we should have a clear understanding of what's

going on on a daily basis throughout the year so that's one thing the other thing is just it's

a matter of transparency right just being transparent so not only do council members have a better idea

of what goes on in a on a daily basis within these departments and bureaus but residents have a

better understanding as well I can tell you that residents are disappointed that they have to go

to the website and see a portion of quarterly reports received each quarter so I wanted to know that

second this issue was identified in September and I find that it to be an excuse that the people that

were in place that could inform the mayor and everyone else of this issue that's that's merely an

excuse because we still have a budget manager and mr. Brooks you couldn't speak to this last week so

that's why we're here now so I think that's an excuse and it's unacceptable September and it's almost

December three is there an evaluation or has some evaluation been done maybe internally or with the

temporary staffers or residents and children that participated in all of the extra programming I'm

just wondering if if all the programming was necessary did you have a good turnout just little things

and then to speak to the capacity of staff needed for all of these extra events and activities

I can see the numbers over we keep documents at that okay just curious they're not working every event

but they are working a summer program as far as the um the movies in the parks so that's every Friday okay

but you mentioned Mother's Day and something else too that occurred during that time a couple of

them they show up but not everyone okay I would like to see those numbers I'm a fan of evaluating and

determining if something is impactful um and if there were five people sometimes people think that's

a success but I don't consider that to be successful also this year this is the first year for everything

so you're we're not going to really see if it's impactful or not because this is the first year

for everything um for a tree-dying event someone came up um getting called hot chocolate and he said oh

my um my wife would love the mother of the event it might have been only 10 people there but it's

our very first one so we can give you the numbers for this year that's when it's when everything started

okay well hopefully next year I guess if you plan to do it maybe 20 people will come to the Mother's Day

event um but we have to budget for it that's correct so I don't have anything else to say but

to learn that this occurred in September and we're just now learning about it and then you could

answer any questions last week I just really have an issue with that thank you oh I have a question

is there any um particular questions you might need for um quarterly reports because I can always add

more information I believe we had a format for we have a format so I always follow that that's fine

but if it's any extra things just let me know okay thank you um any questions count to woman Davis

no um vice president green everyone has answered ask the questions and um offer the solution

being proactive measure proactive measures so I don't have any other questions thank you council

woman Daniels any questions we can hear you now yes okay um I was just saying that every year

part of the budgeting process the department chairs are tested the finance director that the

budget that they're requesting is sufficient to meet the the functions of the department so um you

know so this this is reflective of just the processing terms of the entire department because it seems

like there's a lot of miscommunication um but the department also needs some management and you know

not you know exceeding a budget by that much money um is a management issue um it means someone

doesn't pay attention to the funds and it is problematic because when you're spending money that you

want authorize to spend um and then we have to fix it on the other side um you know it makes us have

to make cuts in other places right um because then here's when you pass a budget at the beginning of

the year you're passing a budget with the idea that you're meeting all of the goals within that budget so

this is just poor management and I hope that you won't take the time to go back and maybe do some

training and um I have a better understanding of how your entire department functions

thank you um I do have two two other questions and I will try to wrap it up so we can move to the

senior citizens center part um the first question is for the finance department are all

incumbrances from these line items paid for 2024 I know um Mr. McCutcheon last week said that there was

an incumbrance that came in after this was done and I don't think there have been any adjustments to

these numbers so uh let's be told it was the belly landscape and yes that's the paint but is it included

in this schedule yeah like are the numbers the proposed available budget after these amendments are

they correct because I don't think there have been changes since last week

the schedule is still effective to October 31st 2024 if we were to make the schedule to

the current date then it would be in comfort you know it would be within the schedule but because the

schedule is only through October 31st those those transactions occurred beyond that time before

I do understand that I'm asking what's the number is of today we we make this change we pay it today

are we going to be negative somewhere else that's that's my that's my you know like that's my question

I think Mr. McCutcheon might have the updated numbers that's that's kind of what I'm looking for just

to update the numbers so that we don't

next day yes that that concern about pulling that amount from that line the 43,000

from the the supplies line there is an existing incumbrance that's already

encumbering budget correct so any any invoices that come in between now and the end of the year

I can't tell you how many POs or encumbrances that that that is included in that

the total encumbrance right now is just short of $4,000,000 so that budget has already been

encumbered so we won't lose anything further based based on those current encumbrances so there

there is sufficient budget currently to address the requested 43,000 dollar reallocation

all right so the 61,000 that is showing here is minus 46,000 as of today

no it's not because the 46,000 is already if you look at column F the the the incumbrance I mentioned

which is 3,000,000 it's included in that 65,000 okay I thought you said last week the one came

in after October 31st there was activity like an actual expenditure activity it could very well I

don't know as a fact but it could very well have been charged against that incumbrance

in other words if we do a check run and we make a payments we're not further reducing budget because

it's being applied against the existing incumbrance which is already taking up available budget

okay so you're saying it was already accounted for on the 65,000 dollars

yes that incumbrance that was subsequent activity in early November

okay last week you made it seem like it wasn't included so I think that was at least from

council's perspective we thought that wasn't included and so that was a concern of taking

43,000 out leaving 61 will we knew we still had incumbrances to be paid right and I obviously

I didn't make that clear enough then but that that that again the incumbrance that's out there it's

already fed by the budget so there won't be any further reduction because that that incumbrance

is already being supported by budget so that's in other words that's 61,000

is for the most part still intact as far as availability so that even with the effect of the

43,000 dollar reallocation okay that wasn't the impression we got last week but if that's correct

then I wouldn't have an issue with that if it's not correct then I do have an issue with it yes understood

I said are you able to and maybe you can email it to us but you able to change the date

so that it shows tomorrow's date I guess if you do tomorrow and yes and then please send it to us

so we can see and compare because yes last week I thought you had said there was still money to come

out so we're not reflecting the true amount and that's why we tabled it that was the whole reason

and still to come meaning that I don't know you know can't predict the future just give me tomorrow's

date on there okay just okay let me see everything starting with tomorrow so I can look at it so we

all can look at and compare because I'm a little confused now okay all right um and then my other

question would go to the parks and rec department we budgeted for $35,000 in consulting what was

the original thought behind that and why was it no consulting the change in direction happened so

we ended up not doing it there were some changes with the side of the projects we were supposed to

pick up a project but we had to put it off okay so will that be budgeted in this next year's budget

or we're just gonna yes okay all right any other questions or comments concerning this exhibit a

in the parks and rec department in these lines all right uh sing now and I appreciate you guys being

here tonight um I do want to let you know we appreciate all the work you do we love all the extra

events um the opportunities for the residents and the kids we just gotta make sure we budget better

and I'm sure the finance department will in the work with you uh throughout this budget season to

make sure that everything's where it's supposed to be uh so that everything can go on next year and we

can have our our controls in place so thank you now on to the second part of this resolution which is

the $250,000 dollars for senior program funding to the Heinz Minnick-Rosinger Center who will

continually provide services to Harrisburg senior population um Mr. Grove if you could just explain why

this is in here and the effect of it certainly and and frankly this is my handy work right trying to

figure out how to get something voted on it came out of the arper projects that were approved when

when the council provides a blanket number without a specific award and you gotta remember we're not in

the business of running programs like this uh there has to be a way for council to come back and vote

on it like because you you put money for senior program but not to a senior program and if we did

the similar thing in an earlier um reallocation for the for the um bridge program for the homeless

it was just a mecket a tool we could figure out how to get it in front of you so there's not

13 reallocations right like like how do you put this stuff together they're both about how to

money gets spent um so the mayor determined to award the senior program to the Heinz Center

you know we are in the middle of putting together it's a contract that's different than one we've had

because it's not we don't do these um and we're pretty far along with that but then there wasn't

authority to go forward with the contract because the council had not voted so that's how we put it here

when I sent it down I really thought I didn't realize you even have another one just later session before

the budget vote so it seemed like if this doesn't come down you know it's not coming uh so that's

how we put it in there um so and uh I didn't realize till I was talking with Jared there was another

legislative session to come in the December the 9th um so that's that's how we put these two together

this would have come down by itself as the seventh if you hadn't pulled the other one when we took

it out last week to get better explanations on the park so what either way it was coming down to

you as as the council have been to approve it so that's how it's here um you know that that and

and that is just simply the mechanism to get it here thank you does anyone have any questions regarding

this portion um I I have some comments I guess um so we've invited um she was noted as interim director

but by my calculation she's been here more than 120 days um so director Gloria Martin Roberts to our

council meetings um twice to discuss these particular funds on September 10th of 2024 and

October 1st of 2024 um both meetings she was initially eager to participate but then when we arrived

she was nowhere to be found um so we haven't had a public dialogue about this it was mentioned earlier

that the Hines Center is the only senior center in the city of Harrisburg um there are actually 11

senior centers in Dauphin County for are located in the city of Harrisburg uh Benay Brith they offer

congregant hot lunch meals opportunities to socialize and uh a variety of programs lick towers

senior center also offers a congregant hot lunch meal opportunities to socialize a variety of

programs the Jewish Federation of Greater Harrisburg they have a senior adult program offering

kosher meals um and opportunities to socialize as well and a variety of other activities then we have

the Hines Manaker senior center and all of their um work in programming was discussed earlier um my

question remains how did we arrive at Hines Manaker when there are other organizations and other

centers um that potentially could be eligible for this funding

well as I can tell you is the mayor rated determination um maybe there's well so can speak to that

question but uh in the budget but no in the budget when there's not a specific thing you leave it to

the executive branch to make a decision you don't have to agree with the decision that's why it comes

back to you right that's why that's the process it's the executive and legislative together and

that's how it comes back to um the uh but I can't speak to the how I mean that's just you know

that was the award that was made well can anybody speak to it I mean yes how did we arrive here

I can I can speak to it um just a smidgen of it um you know at one point we got to remember that

um the school year mara robert was a part of the Hines Center's board or something like that she was

on their board at one point yes you can you can step step to the mic do we have to

spend the rules we are the rules are suspended no the rules have been suspended yeah this is still the

same resolution come on yes if I mean it would be helpful if somebody from the administration could

answer these questions but since you're here I do have another question where can we find a list

of current board members because I tried to look online but there's no website

if I don't think that microphone is working if you wouldn't mind using the microphone you initially

spoken to please if I may um members of city council I think that the president alluded to a statement

that I've made about the number of senior centers in the city let me um clarify that there is uh

perhaps some question of some debate around what qualifies as a senior center um when you look at

what is what we use is the local area on aging and what they designate but they also have other

distinctions because um some centers provide um you're right some provide some organizations

provide congregant meals under though it's my understanding and this is from the secretary

of agents mouth because we work with the secretary on aging and we can even invite him here that

might not be a bad idea actually because we are the center of the universe uh you know it only has

to do is walk down the street and um we've done that before and he's come to our meetings at time

senior center because we provide a full service uh program you talked about the programs and activities

uh that we provide we are considered under the state statute um that actually developed in the

early 80s I believe it was late 70s early 80s senior centers we are considered a full service

senior center so to the extent that um my language should have been clearer my offer my apologies

there are entities that offer congregant meals I would also suggest that of the four that you mentioned

I believe that one um no longer does so but it is um a shifting um um process because the

department of aging is shifting its focus um it is um in it is in flux it is having a um a transition

in terms of the way it provides allocations in terms of funding in terms of services and what it

provides through area agencies on aging of that to at the county level and that is the entity to whom

essentially we report I'm familiar this information is coming directly from doff in counties

I understand we have a copy of what what you are referring to well thank you I don't have any

other questions really for you I I would love to hear from uh miss martin robert and the administration

because we've been trying to have this dialogue and then here comes the allocations let me let me

suggest to you that um the hind senior center does its work without fear or favor okay we welcome

everyone everybody here is welcome to come to the hind senior center you don't even have to be a

senior you can just come on in and a lot of people have done that we have provided many programs um one

of the things that we have done over the years one of the activities is around um it's something

that is said but around repasts you know there are folks in this community who cannot afford in many

instances to have a repast um that cost a lot of money and the senior center has been kind of the

place where you can go and um you can um we will provide that service to you and you will play a

minimal or no cost and that's the kind of um activity in which we engage now I'm thinking I am mindful

let me say this I am mindful of what I just heard around budgeting um you know and the um

appropriateness of um anti-chim ones budget effectively so there were lessons for everyone in this room

in the previous session um and um and the lessons are important but it um having said that um the

hind center has the challenge this goes directly to um what I I can I'm serving as an advocate for

the hind center this goes directly to the challenge we have around budget and um and this goes

beyond providing congregant meals this goes to the programs and services the full service components

of uh we have been providing to this community over the course of the life of the hind senior center

we have done that um no matter who has set in those seats and our hope and our um in our prayer

and our expectation is that we will continue to do so I can tell you that um there are people who

advocate for us one day and then they don't the next that's okay we're still going to open up

and we're still going to provide the services if we have the resources that's the way we have to

operate um I want to say one other thing and that is I talked about uh the department of aging shifting

its focus two weeks ago I actually saw you if I may um um Mr Jones I saw you in the Hilton as I was

leaving a program provided um on the department of aging shifting focus because they are moving away

from the kinds of senior centers that we have to a different um a different philosophical um construct

that will not benefit in my view the citizens of cities like Harrisburg and I was there as the

representative of Hines to tell them to advocate on behalf of the city of Harrisburg the residents here

the seniors to say to them we need to really be cognizant of what the senior members of our community

needs and um the secretary of aging and I had a uh what I would call a robust discussion

that carried over into the hallway but I want you to know that's something that we need to be aware of

and it's also something that the Hines Center is if I may um equipped to do and it goes beyond I would

suggest what um a um a smaller entity might be able to do and I think that's the expectation um that

others have of us that is why when there is a need such as when there is a family that has COVID

and they call around and they can't find anyone they call the Hines Senior Center and we get the meals

to the seniors so I don't have any other questions thank you okay um my thing is uh you know when I

originally came across this and and the language in it which stated let me no I'm listening I'm just

I I didn't say anything I just I said nothing I just I mean the language the language that was stated

in this original and I felt that someone added a line I'm not sure who did that um but it was just

to allocate $250,000 to programming senior programming not a specific place so I'm going to make a

motion to strike this portion resolution 17 of 2024 inside of resolution 77 at some point and

put this on its own to give us an opportunity for our next legislative session to do something

if you know to have my colleagues look at this and see about the allocation of these funds so that's

something that I plan to do I see you looking at me so I will respond because that's what I'm trained to do

that's my training everyone knows that so I will respond I um understand and appreciate the job

that you have to do I am here as the advocate for the Hines Medical Senior Center and for senior

and and there's a reason why and I think I've explained that to you I understand again and appreciate

what it is that you must do um I'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have about

the Hines Medical Senior Center in uptown Harrisburg and the work that we perform what I cannot do

is delve into the political nuances of any of that and I don't know what they are and I don't have

any information and I think that's appropriate thank you that's why we we have no further questions

for you thank you I think sorry vice president both councilwoman Rawls and councilwoman Davis have

I'm sorry I was just wondering um solicitor Grover would you be able to let me see my question here

more of a common question but um of course support senior citizen centers getting they're just doing

what they need to run smoothly provide for you know the residents which is why we had to that with

the ARPA money with the $250,000 knowing that there's more than just one senior sitting senior

citizen yes okay it was like a tongue-tister in the city it was for any center that was doing programming

is there any way for the administration to provide us with some type of reasoning on why the $250,000

all of it was just going to the Hines senior I will absolutely pass on that request I don't think

that's going to be meant with hostility I don't think so I think I think there's a rationale I just

am not the person who can give it to you you know the there in the business manager isn't still here

is he Mr. well this was done before he was true I didn't know they brought him up to speed you know

that line underneath for there that was added don't know who did it there was a line underneath for

there would you originally look at it did remember this I don't know if you remember but this this

resolution was changed a couple times you mean the one that was voted on before not this one in front of you

absolutely so so there was a line again where the $250,000 was for senior programming not specifically

the Hines or Bernat Briff or anyone else but there was a line added underneath for there so I think

that's actually the next thing the question is what does the executive branch do with with that

request I mean it's always that as you've seen other grant sometimes we have the same award every year

but they input the name of the grantee and the budget and it comes back this one here specifically is one

that is like a one-shot deal right because this is coming from this is there's not going to be this

money ever again that's what the reality is and but the mechanics if I may you can do exactly what

you did with the last reallocation you can take a piece out and because there is a meeting again on the

ninth a new resolution singular to this and I will take it back to the mayor's office and to GBHD

and I'm sure you'll get a response you know and and you know I think everyone it wants something to be

done for senior I don't think anyone's a degree of that it's just you guys have process questions and

I understand them and you know and how decisions were made correct yes so so I will I will

communicate that back and you know or I'm sure the staff and you know would be able to do that for you

okay right like was there an application process if there was what was on the application what

requirements did I have to meet in order to say they get the whole 250 thousand dollars and if there

was an application process what what were the dates that it went out that other senior programming

entities are able to apply for it it just there's there's so many questions on I don't mean to bombard you

with all of them but I think that's what the application process that I'm aware and I think this is the

part this is alluded to back when you were doing this with all the things because we there wasn't a

whole group of people came to work for the city to help administer all of these additional things right

I thought we were they just the auditing portion because we did hire two project managers were there

they were the project manager yeah but it's an extra it's an extra 30 million dollars of projects not

counting the other 20 that went towards parks and erect and I'm just saying that personnel issue

is how can you effectively administer and sometimes it's you got to delegate correctly no but you've

also have to have if you don't know people you have to find a way that ministers the simplest so

you can actually account for the money on the other side so I was pointing out earlier to Mr. Jones

our office back in 2007 when I bought that 38 numbered contracts for the city of Harris but we're

up to like 240 contracts for the year of 2024 that means the difference of that every one of those is

managed by a manager in the department right and so their responsibilities as the city is expanded

what it does that and it's not just us it's the way government became with technology more and more

and more things come and there's a lot of things that get done in the city that didn't used to get done

in the city and I just wanted to say something about once again about the spirit of the

Heinz senior center and doing service work this is not for us a gacha moment for any in any way

shape or form this is about finding no I'm just this is me telling you what I have to say about

how we operate we are in the business of providing services to seniors and I hope that you understand

that that is what we want to do and that's all seniors in the city of Harrisburg you need to hear

this okay this comes from a place when you provide services it comes from a place of love and

compassion it is and that's what we do and so you know we put aside the other kinds of issues that

might exist a and b we will be able to provide any information that you ask for around programs

and services because our job is to be as transparent and open as possible we want to see

this city improve absolutely we're in agreement so again that's why I was going to make a motion to

separate this from first of all from this that it's involved in right now and we will absolutely have

an opportunity to do that's fine thank you very much thank you and I just want to make note that

um this isn't questions that we're asking particular just at the high senior center we've asked

these process questions as far as the ARP money about every program including the bridge housing

program uh Christian churches united um and back in september we asked this process question

and then line we got about the high senior center is the high and smithor senior center is the only

senior center in the city of Harrisburg providing social cultural and health related services to those

60 plus the center has not been fully rehab since his inception the facility is in critical need

of full renovation they will receive $250,000 so it's not that we haven't asked these questions before

just we haven't got the full answer to them as the president of ours has noted we have invited

at michael oory robber tear several times so we can have this full discussion uh those conversations

were not had um in front of council and so um now that it's time for the stand in front of us

without the questions being asked I don't think we feel confident in just um making that decision um

I think the the residents deserve a full discussion and public about it so I think I think that

Kano is going to wrap that up unless anyone has any questions or comments I do all right thank you

guys president green and I just want to chime in here as an advocate for the hot senior high and center

you know um I work out in the community I work as a nurse I work with seniors throughout the entire

community and over the years and particularly um during the covid season the high and senior center

was open and serving food serving the seniors I remember uh there was uh oven the oven there wasn't

working but they were still there serving the seniors um the ones that came to the facility um so

I just know that whenever the seniors are going out the ones that I work with and I'm around seniors

all the time because that's what I do um outside of here I work with the senior citizen population

and they're going to the high and center uh the other senior center councilwoman just

appointed information during covid the high and senior center was passing out males and

collaboration with the police department the senior center so wasn't open the doors were unopened

it was an outside on pickup initiative I went there personally um during that time councilman

Rodriguez I went there personally myself no I mean I worked there with them I was

Blake Lynch I was in charge of the solar all the time because again I am I have a home care

thank you great um seniors and I want to just advocate to say that they were open the entire time they

had thank you for clarifying both of you we need to move on okay thank you president bours for letting

me speak but I want to emphasize that they had food there okay thank you we have to move on council

they've been always serving the community why did you just want you to know that they are there I don't

know about we do know that okay but we need to move on right now thank you we have two other things we

have to discuss tonight so we we need to keep moving thank you I suppose this is the part where I make

a motion to move back in a session so move thank you we're resuming our legislative session before us we

have resolution 77 of 2024 Mr. Truesdale because you please read it into the record again resolution 77

2024 a resolution approving the seventh proposed 2024 budget reallocation in the form of technical

corrections and confirming the award of certain available general fund program dollars to senior

programming thank you council members are there any questions comments amendments

yeah I want to make a motion to amend bill 77 striking I don't know how to say this because it's yes I'm

striking and here in this resolution I'm reading it as resolution 17 is that how I'm just trying to

make sure I get that language correct so I think it's it's I'm set to accomplish what you would ask

councilman I think you just move to strike the last two warehouses on page one of the resolution

okay I I didn't know the language and that the conclusion be amended so I was strike to

um I will make a motion to strike the last two warehouses and removing the allocation

for senior programming from resolution 77 goodness this is a lot is there second second thank you

there's a motion on the table to strike the result clause removing the senior programming funding allocation

ready no I'm just repeating it before we vote is there any discussion on the amendment I'll simply say that

from my perspective I don't think this is something personally against high and senior center I don't

think anyone here doubts the work that they do and the asset they are to this community it's about

having a discussion with the department as we've been requesting for a while just so we know the

process of how things worked and ensure that the the funding was fairly um the opportunity was

fairly given to all organizations in the city that provide senior programming because when we made

this resolution this allocation when we were doing the ARPA funds we wanted to make for sure we

didn't specifically name organizations so that it opened it up to other senior serving organizations

that might not often get funding because as we know the city has given funding to hide senior center

plenty times before and so we just want to open it up to all senior programs so that's just my only

comment thank you any other comments or discussion oh yes madam president I agree with madam vice

president it's the same thing we act with downtown daily bread when we allocated with ccu that

million dollars just acts of clarity and how they came to that decision no no no no my nothing against

what they do and we are positive with the service they provide for the seniors we just are aware

that there are other senior you know divisions that can also assist so instead of just putting all

of our eggs in one basket we're just trying to ensure that we can reach as many senior citizens

possible that's all thank you any further comments thank you president bower's I was just curious

as to where are the other senior citizens I mean I know they're out there but I have yet to see them

come in front of council over the last few years I haven't seen anyone except

Heinz Center so I don't know what very I miss on that.

Pleading of senior citizens around in the city of Harrisburg if you're speaking to other centers or

other senior serving organizations I don't know but this would have been their opportunity yeah exactly

right I did share this okay well is there any further discussion any questions okay

mr. Truzel can you please call the vote on the amendment.

Miss Daniels

miss

green or misdavis yes miss green yes mr. Jones yay miss rolls yes mr. Rodriguez yes on the amendment

miss bower's yes the amendment passes by vote is 7 to 0 thank you

so we have to vote on the amended version you know it's a resolution that your 10 is plain

on the record. Got it thanks so resolution 78 of 2024 mr. Truzel could you please read it into the record

resolution 78 2024 a resolution authorizing the city of Harrisburg to negotiate and

enter into a professional services contract with Steve Zimmerman to provide access and service of

the city's historical mainframe programming operations and related services in the bureau of

information technology. Thank you resolution 78 of 2024 will move to the administration committee

resolution 79 of 2024 mr. Truzel could you please read it into the record.

Resolution 79 2024 a resolution authorizing the city of Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a

domestic animal protective services agreement with the Humane Society of Harrisburg area to

provide services to the city of Harrisburg's animal control program. Thank you resolution 79 of 2024

will move to the public safety committee. Resolution 81 of 2024 mr. Truzel could you please read it

into the record. Resolution 81 resolution 80 81 I want to move the rest before we suspend the rules and

further our discussion. My apologies resolution 81 2024 a resolution approving the preliminary

slash final land consolidation and land development plan submitted by Amber Brelle representing

Latino connection foundation to consolidate three parcels 1001 north 18th street 1800 bowestreet

and an unaddressed parcel and develop a four-story 48 unit residential building with associated site

and access improvements. Thank you resolution 81 of 2024 will move to the community and economic

development committee resolution 82 of 2024 mr. Truzel could you please read it into the record.

Resolution 82 2024 a resolution approving the preliminary slash final land development plan for

three 15 north front streets submitted by Vernon Jones of front street loft LLC to convert the

existing office building into an eight unit apartment building featuring six one bedroom units and two

two bedroom units with two units designated as affordable units along with associated improvements.

Thank you resolution 82 of 2024 will move to the community and economic development committee.

Resolution 83 of 2024 mr. Truzel could you please read it into the record. Resolution 83 2024

a resolution authorizing the city of Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a collection agreement

with the Harrisburg school district for the collection of the business privilege and mercantile tax

and then amusement tax for the 2025 tax year. Thank you resolution 83 of 2024 will move to the

budget and finance committee. Going back to resolution 80 of 2024 mr. Truzel could you please read it

into the record. Resolution 80 2024 a resolution authorizing the submission of a Pennsylvania local

share assessment grant application with the acceptance of any resulting award of up to $1 million from

the Commonwealth financing authority to fund renovations of the Martin Luther King Jr. City

government center at 10 north second street Harrisburg PA 17101. Thank you I'll entertain a motion

to suspend the rules for discussion. Is there a second? Second. Thank you. Is there anyone from the

administration to discuss this resolution?

Good evening city council. Good evening. Again yeah. So we're here to discuss the resolution 82 I believe

this is no this is resolution 80. 80 that's what I meant to say 80. Okay there is an 82. All right I'm

sorry. Okay so this would be for the I guess it would be the the finality that wouldn't be this is

I'm good one second. Thank you mr. Palmer. Hey guys sorry sorry so it took good evening and

happy pre Thanksgiving for everybody. So we're applying for a local share grant. It's the statewide

local share grant Pennsylvania statewide. I'm sorry sorry sorry. Is that better? Okay yes sorry. So you

guys know that we apply for Doffin County local share grants all the time. The statewide local grant

um local share grant has only been in business for two years this is the third year so we're going in

for the third year. We went in last year for money to renovate the first floor of the MLK building

including this built this these chambers um and the bathrooms and all the ADA stuff the the ceiling

that we were allowed to apply for was million dollars so we applied for that and they gave us 400

so now we're going back for the next 600 and we've been we've been told sorry. I'm not sure.

We've been told our best chance of getting the rest of the funding that we really need up to the

hundred million dollar sorry wow wouldn't that be great. Up to the million dollars threshold would be

just go ahead and ask for the next 600 million. I know next time I speak raw humility and mentions

so that's what we're doing um so we have the seam scoop we have the same cost estimate we have the same

engineering you know drawings so that's what this says. Okay thank you I have two questions before I

open the floor to my colleagues this this particular grant is offered through DCD is that correct?

Okay and what is the deadline for this application? Saturday. Oh Saturday okay thank you. I'll now

open the floor to my colleagues who may have some additional questions I'll begin with councilwoman

Davis any questions? No questions at this time. Okay Vice President Green any questions? I don't have

any questions for you but the the millions and hundreds of millions sound like a better number.

Thank you councilwoman Rawls any questions? Good evening thank you for being here both of you happy

early Thanksgiving festivities. Not don't have any questions. Thank you councilman Rodriguez any questions?

Just wanted to know was there probably not but was there any way to get this in front of us a little bit

earlier um just saying hey Saturday that's a little stringent? No 100% usually right so so we applied for

this first round for us for the first round we applied last summer and in July we got a response

like hey we might give you guys money but we need to answer all the other different questions and I was

actually like that was that that was the weekend that for the thing went out with the internet went out

did you guys remember that? Yeah so that and I was supposed to be on vacation whatever uh so we spent we

Dave Debbie we heard and myself that whole week answering their questions and we only got the response

and the award agreement and announcement um about four weeks ago and then the new uh the new

application opened I don't know if it's always going to be that way but again because it's such a new

application and look at such a new program it may be that way they just kind of be like you know we'll

hear about last year's award three or four weeks before we hear about this year's award. When did

DCED announce this round? Yeah um I can get you the I can send you the award letter that would that

would be great um and of course everything you do for the cities appreciated and you know

when you brought in is also you know much needed for the city it's just we were already in just

a stress stage you know to have to disseminate this and decide like we need it now just you know it's

a bit difficult and as you're aware it's always going to look bad on council because the media is

always going to read council fails to act right so just trying to be a straight shooter here that's all I

have thank you thank you councilman Jones any questions thank you no questions okay thank you uh thank you

uh I'll entertain a motion to resume our legislative session so move um this is like thank you so

before us we have resolution 80 of 2024 Mr. Truzele could you please read it one final time

resolution 80 2024 a resolution authorizing the submission of a Pennsylvania local share assessment

grant application and the acceptance of any resulting award of up to one million dollars from the

Commonwealth financing authority to fund renovations of the Martin Luther King Jr. City Government Center

at 10 North Second Street Harrisburg P.A. 17101 thank you council members are there any final questions

comments or concerns related to resolution 80 of 2024 just for clarity Madam President

and this is totally different than what was already done to the lobby area correct

yes uh so that this is uh I guess it'd be a large drop in the bucket for the total project for the first floor

okay thank you can you just also can you could not you could not can you speak into the microphone please

thank you we were not able to apply for this round until we knew what we got in the last round

because they the program specifically does not allow us to start work on certain programs certain

parts of the project so we actually we actually couldn't do anything until we knew we were getting from

the last round I don't understand that I understand that what I mean is there was already work done

I'm just trying to find out is this yep yep yeah but to answer your question yeah absolutely this

this is not the same work as well as something previously thank you okay any other questions comments

or concerns okay seeing and hearing no Mr. Truzele could you please call the vote Miss Davis

yes miss Green yes Mr. Jones yeah Miss Rose yes Mr. Rodriguez yes Miss Bowers yes resolution 80 2024 passes by

about a 6-0 thank you next we have resolution 84 of 2024 Mr. Truzele could you please call or excuse me

could you please read the resolution into the record resolution 84 2024 a resolution authorizing the

submission of a Pennsylvania local share assessment grant application of up to one million dollars on

behalf of an in conjunction with the Capito area Greenbell Association to fund the reallocation

or the relocation of the Greenbell in South Harrisburg thank you I will entertain a motion to

suspend the rules for discussion is there a second second thank you miss Valmer and

I believe Mr. Hill's okay did not he was participating

hello again if you wouldn't mind providing an overview from your perspective of the resolution yes thank

you and we do appreciate council bringing it up and and we appreciate and understand the tight

timeline as you are aware our tight timeline is because we've only recently begun to get a clear

engineering view of what our costs were going to be at the work session meeting we indicated that

estimate estimated cost for the relocation in the configurations that we're studying is going to be

somewhere between 250 and and yeah 2.5 and 3 million dollars and so what we've done with our engineers

when we found that this grant funding round was available was to retool the work they

were doing so we can phase the project and then parse out the the initial piece into about a million

dollar project it's actually about closer to 1.2 but we would be raising the additional funds to

meet that total cost city's been very cooperative with us in helping facilitate putting the grant

application together we have folks who are part of our board and part of our volunteer crew who have

a significant expertise and experience in state grants and that's dcdpenn.dcdcnr and others and so

we've been working with the city staff over the last week and a half two weeks to get this prepared

in front of you tonight. Okay thank you. I'd same question as bomber this is through dcd and the

deadline is Saturday as well. Yep that's correct. Okay thank you I'll open the floor against my

colleagues who may have questions for either of you. I'll begin with councilman Jones any questions.

Thank you president. No questions. Okay councilman Rodriguez any questions. No questions thank you.

Councilwoman Ross any questions. I don't have any questions just going for it you know making sure

the community's involved in the reconstruction of this so it is done safely is done with their

thoughts and with them in mind that that would be my only comment but no questions thank you. Thank you

Vice President Green any questions. I don't have any questions for you thank you. Councilwoman Davis any

questions. No questions. Thank you. I will entertain a motion to resume our legislative session

is there a second? Thank you. So before us we have resolution 84 of 2024. Mr. Truzel could you please

read it one final time. Resolution 84 2024 resolution authorizing the submission of a Pennsylvania

local share assessment grant application of up to one million dollars on behalf of an

conjunction with the capillary Greenbell Association to fund the relocation of the Greenbell in south

Harrisburg. Thank you councilmembers are there any final questions comments or concerns.

I just want to say I wish best of luck on the project and you know sky's the limit thank you. Okay any further

questions comments or concerns. Seeing and hearing them Mr. Truzel could you please call the vote.

Miss Davis. Yes. Miss Green. Yes. Mr. Jones. Yeah. Miss Rose. Yes. Mr. Rodriguez. Yes. Miss Bowers. Yes.

Resolution 84 2024 passes by voted 6 to 0. Thank you. Our final resolution this evening is

resolution 85 of 2024. Mr. Truzel could you please read it into the record. Resolution 85 2024.

Resolution authorizing the city of Harrisburg submission of a revision request to the department of

community and economic development to reallocate certain funds between previously approved activities

under a grant program contract. Thank you all entertain a motion to suspend the rules for discussion.

No move. Is there second? Second. Thank you. Miss Volmer if you wouldn't mind sharing the revision

request does need it for this? Yes. And I would ask Kevin Sanders.

The play around.

Okay are we ready?

And, Madam President, my chair, frame this a little bit on the legal side.

Okay.

So, in the many federal programs that came out of COVID, there was one that was a CDBG

program to the state who was giving out statewide money.

We don't normally are not eligible for that because we are a direct recipient of CDBG

money.

But they had a pot that they were on a timeline to expand and they opened it up to people

that aren't normally eligible.

I think we applied for something like 18 million, got 13 million in the grant.

But in this particular program, because they're restricted by the federal government,

there were five awards made and connected to each other in this application.

The only things eligible for this money to be used on are those five programs.

So why this is a revision award, which is a process, DCD has for other normal sub-recipients

they give to, is it has to somehow stay in the program.

Since we have four other programs, that is where the legally, we are allowed to ask to move

it to, not into a brand new project.

So that's just the legal framework.

And the risk is, and they insist that these ED, they cannot change the December 31, 2025 deadline

to spend the money.

So that's what they have insisted upon.

So we either, we either forfeit the million, five million for the Jackson Lake pool because

of dispute over legal title to the land or we make an effort to move it.

So it's really, it's not a great set of options, but that's the legal place because our options

are forfeit or move it into a program they've already approved.

And so that is the mechanism they've made available legally to the city to apply for.

We've never done it before.

So just to note, the activities approved for grant funding under the program included

improvements to the Jackson Lake pool, the seventh and red nurse sports park, Wilson Park,

Gorgas playground and reservoir park.

Any further discussion or commentary from the administration?

Okay, guess not.

I'll open the floor to questions from my colleagues.

I'll begin with Councilman Jones.

Any questions?

Yes, thank you, President Bowers.

So my question is, and as it regards to Jackson Lake, from understanding you guys want to take

five million dollars and move it over to the pool and equipment area where there's already

a project that's an existence where there's money already sitting at.

Am I saying I'm not clear on that right now?

Go ahead.

I don't, if I heard you correct and I was getting late, I heard you say that there's going

to put it where there's already the pool.

They're taking away from the pool.

Right, that's what I'm talking about, red.

But we're moving the five million where you're asking to move the five million.

There's already a existing project with money already there.

Correct, not a pool.

I apologize.

But that, so I don't know if it's going to be Ms. Ross or Mr. Baker or Mr. Sanders that

can answer this question.

Being that this money is going to be moved over there and there's more existing money already

there for a project already.

What do you plan to do with this money?

Or do you plan to use it for the existing project, which I don't think you should because

there's money already there for that?

I just want to know what are you guys plan to do with this money?

Okay, to maybe clarify one big thing.

Based on the timeline, we will not be able to complete Jackson Lake.

Hence why we are here today.

We're here to take that money that was allocated for Jackson Lake and make sure we don't give

it all back.

We're going to try to put it into our existing projects, which Neil just provided that.

That's what I just asked.

There's already money in the place where we're taking this money to move it to.

So I'm saying, how do you and do you intend to use it?

Okay, how?

All right, so the seventh and the red there, just some of these are summary.

We're going to potentially expand the lighting or the stadium lights.

Because we'll be getting a better set of stadium lights than what may come in on bid.

The pervillion, we're going to get a second pervillion at seventh and red.

We may increase the restrooms.

We will have a more functional dug out structure at seventh and red.

The possibility of larger bleachers, increasing trees around the site, increasing netting around

the baseball softball field, potentially additional restrooms, additional fitness equipment,

enhance the press box and the sound system.

The sound system was not part of the original scope.

Wilson Park, maybe more fitness equipment.

Excuse me, Mrs. Simon, just before you go on, this specific allocation, and I just want to

make sure that I'm clear and that we are.

Whether it's being asked to be moved to, what are those projects?

So those projects are seventh and red in the ball field.

Wilson Park, Reservoir Park, Splashpad, Previllion, Restroom, Walkway, and Menonies, and Gorgas

playground.

So now, there's already money there for those projects, correct?

Yes.

Okay, now when you take this five million and move it over there, what are you going to do

with that money?

I was just explaining that.

So I thought you could.

I thought you could.

I'm not explaining that.

Okay, because so one of the things that Mr. Grover said is that you can't do anything new

has to be existing.

You just added some new things inside of there.

Something that wasn't there.

These are enhancements to our scope of work.

We're not trying to change the footprint.

We were actually changing some of the things that came in.

We would change the Previllion type.

We would go with a more expensive Previllion.

We would add things to it that we weren't currently going to.

That's where I got.

Okay.

That's why I'm asking you because when he said that you can't use it for anything new and then

you were saying there was something new.

Right.

So continue.

So at Reservoir Park in particular, we are behind schedule on that project.

One of the new tasks is going to be to potentially enhance the slash pad of many.

We are currently going to get.

We have not gone out to do the equipment RFP as of yet.

We haven't done the Previllion aspects as well in the rest room.

So some of these things are going to incur more costs.

We already had a change order and triggered at Reservoir Park as it pertains to keeping

the Previllion.

We don't know all the costs for that.

That was not part of the original numbers.

So back to Wilson Park, we are actually more or less just checking to see if we can get a

larger place structure.

We may not actually be able to do that.

We may not actually be able to spend all $5 million.

That is a reality.

We're probably not going to spend that $5 million.

We have not taken any other projects out to bid so we don't actually know how much certain

things are going to really cost.

Whereas at 7th of around, or gorgeous, Wilson Park, we did recently receive the equipment

bids.

Some of them are lower than what were originally budgeted.

But with this change, we are in the process of doing some of the stuff that I've suggested.

We're looking into these things to enhance things.

We haven't bought anything.

All right, so thank you for the clarity.

This is the reason why I get to ask questions.

So I'm clear and we're clear on it.

So the other thing is, what took so long to get that we have to move this money over

here now before it gets clawed back?

What took it so long for it to, why are we at this point?

I've having to move it somewhere else before we lose it.

We was hoping that, we was hoping that the school district would come up in the city of

Harrisburg, we'll come up with a collaboration agreement.

Okay, all right.

Thank you.

That's what we wanted.

I think I know we're at.

Councilman Rodriguez, any questions?

No, I understand.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Councilwoman Rawls, any questions?

Thank you.

Good evening, again, to everybody.

Thank you for bearing with us.

I just wanted to point out a few things, especially with what we've been doing.

I'm actually with Wilson Park in this extra $5 million that could possibly go over into

helping with the four parks that are on the list to be renovated.

One of the things a resident has said to me, and I think maybe I could have spoke to you

about it, Deputy Rawls on the phone, but there when there were the meetings about the parks

and what residents wanted a huge thing that at least four residents reached out to me too.

And I hope that we can get it with this extra $5 million as a kitchen at Wilson Park, which

they said that was something they really wanted, so they could go down there, they could have

picnics and cookouts, and they saw it at other parks, and they wanted that third part, which

I don't think is unfair statements, so I just want to say it again.

I don't remember what else was on that list that they had, but that was a big thing in exercise

equipment, which you did mention, so I know that's going there, but a small kitchen

that was something that they really said they were pushing for at Wilson Park.

Another thing for me that I'm always going to say, because I always push for it, I probably

said it to Director Baker a thousand times, and I said it to you, Deputy Rawls a thousand

times, is some type of sprinkler system at the parks.

I know we're talking about the splash pad at Reservoir Park, but then we have these other

two parks that are far from Reservoir.

To have some type of themed, I don't care if it's one sprinkler that looks like an octopus

with water coming out of it, I mean, it would enhance our playgrounds immensely, and for

people who can't make it to the pool, this is a way for them to have a cool down system,

a way for them to have family time, and I see them doing it in other cities, and I know

we can do it in our city.

I know there's a thing with recyclable water or tapping, and there's all these things, but

I know that they're doing it at other cities where they are doing recyclable water.

They're helping with, I think it's called a water basin, and I could be incorrect when

I say that word, but I just think that when we have this type of money, being able to put

it somewhere that is lasting and that we can keep up with is just a great idea.

So I'm going to say the sprinklers again, I'm going to say every time I get a chance,

and I hope that the residents at Wilson Park, that gave you their suggestions and showed

up to every meeting, at least a compromise and get at least one thing on their list that

they would like.

I'm going for the kitchenette, but that's just my two cents.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Vice President Green, any questions?

Thank you very much.

Thank you guys for sticking around.

I don't have any questions for you.

If you could just provide us the list of upgrades that you were reading off, if you could just

email them to us, I'd appreciate that.

Thank you, Councilwoman Davis, any questions?

Thank you, President Bowers.

No questions for me.

Okay, thank you.

I will entertain a motion to resume our legislative session.

Is there a second?

Second.

Thank you.

So we have before us, Resolution 85 of 2024, Mr. Trusdale, could you read it one final

time please?

Resolution 85, 2024.

A resolution authorizing the City of Harrisburg's submission of a revision request to the Department

of Community and Economic Development to reallocate certain funds between previously approved activities

under a grant program contract.

Thank you, Councilmembers.

Are there any final questions, comments or concerns?

Seeing and hearing them, Mr. Trusdale, could you please call the vote?

Ms. Davis?

Yes.

Ms. Green?

Yes.

Mr. Jones?

Yay.

Ms. Rose?

Yes.

Mr. Rodriguez?

Yes.

Ms. Bowers?

Yes.

Resolution 85, 2024, passes by vote of 6-0.

Thank you.

Is there any old business council members?

I realize I failed to mention we were delayed in beginning our meeting this evening because

we had an executive session to discuss personnel matters.

Any new business?

I know I have scheduling and so does vice president greens.

I'll start on Monday, December 2, 2024.

A work session will be held beginning at 5.30 pm on Monday, December 9, 2019.

A legislative session will be held beginning at 6 pm.

Thank you.

As far as the 2025 proposed budget hearings, the hearings will be held December 3, December

4, December 10, and December 11.

Each meeting will be held here in Council chambers and will begin at 5.30.

The budget agendas are already online so you can see the different departments and when

they present to our council members.

I know it's a short turnaround with the holiday being Thursday, but if we could try to get

most of our questions submitted by Friday close of business.

If not Sunday and then Monday, if we can just keep rolling in so that the department heads

have time to get their answers together and get them back to us.

If you have any generic questions, I hate to call them generic questions but you know

the questions that we tend to ask every year such as how are you doing your 2024 goals

or your 2025 goals, which are staffing rates, those things, if we can get those to them

right away that way they can start working on those that will be appreciated, especially

with the holiday falling right in the middle of the beginning of things.

That's everything.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any other new business council members?

Yes, Madam President, I just wanted to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving and if you're

going away, have safe travels and just remember we're one city or moving towards one dream.

I want to enjoy your holidays.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any other comments?

New business?

Okay.

Seeing and hearing none, everyone have a very safe and happy Thanksgiving.

The time is 908 pm.

I will entertain the person to adjourn.

Okay.

Thank you.