Harrisburg City Legislative Session - 2/24/2026

Thank you for your patience this

evening. Um, Harrisburg City Council

will conduct a legislative caucus prior

to the start of the legislative session.

So following this caucus, I will call

the meeting to order. Mr. Humphrey will

call the role. The invocation this

evening will be led by Vice President

Jones, followed by the pledge of

allegiance, which will be led by

Councilman Lawson. For communications

this evening, we are joined by an Alice

Anne Schwab, who serves as the executive

director of the Suscuana Art Museum. We

will then move to courtesy of the floor

followed by the approval of the minutes

for the legislative session that

occurred on February 10th, 2026.

We have one committee report that will

be shared this evening by our public

safety committee chair, Councilwoman

Green, on the work session of February

17th, 2026.

We have three ordinances for first

reading. Bill 2 of 2026,

Bill 3 of 2026, and Bill 4 of 2026.

We will then move to ordinances for

amendment, bill 1 of 2026.

And then ordinances for final passage,

bill 1 of 2026, which we will vote upon.

Then resolutions. Uh the first

resolution for consideration is

resolution 10 of 2026

which will move to the public works

committee. Resolution 11 of 2026 which

will move to the public works committee.

Resolution 12 of 2026 which will move to

the administration committee. Resolution

13 of 2026 will move to the

administration committee. Resolution 14

of 2026 will move to the administration

committee. and resolution 15 of 2026

will move to the administration

committee.

Is there any old business for

discussion? Council members,

we have invited Mr. Mike Hughes um to

discuss the amusement tax. Any new

business, council members?

Okay. And then we will adjourn.

So, let's get started. The time is 6:19

p.m. I would like to call our

legislative session to order.

I would like the meeting record to

reflect um we are a little late um

getting started this evening. We um

Harrisburg City Council hosted an

executive session to discuss legal

matters prior to the start of this

meeting. Mr. Humphrey, could you please

call the role?

>> Miss Davis,

>> present.

>> Miss Green,

>> present.

Mr. Jones

>> here.

>> Mr. Lawson

>> here.

>> Miss RWS

>> present.

>> Mr. Rodriguez

>> present.

>> Miss Hill

>> present. Thank you. The invocation this

evening will be led by Vice President

Jones.

>> Thank you. Uh just want to send out um

some healing energy to a few families.

Um a couple of them are uh grieving the

loss. One in particular is uh Terasa

Cameron, our uh deputy solicitor. Um so

definitely want to say some prayers for

her. Also want to send um you know my

condolences and prayers to the Riley

family, the Cookie family, the Clark

family, and also some healing energy for

our very own uh Ross family,

Councilwoman Ross. I send prayers out

for Mr. Jesse Ross. Um, so and for those

families that lost loved ones, I just

want to say uh just get a moment of

silence for them, but also just to uh

the public, you know, there's some

trying times that we're facing right

now. And um we're losing people every

day. Just make sure you get an

opportunity to tell your friends and

your loved ones that you love them. Um

so please join me in a moment of silence

for a second.

Thank you.

Thank you, Vice President Jones. The

pledge of allegiance will be led by

Councilman Lawson.

exercising their first rights and it's

something that we will stand

to the flag of the United States of

America and to the republic for it

stands one nation

indivisibley

andice for all

>> thank Thank you, Councilman Lawson. We

are joined this evening by Miss Alice

Anne Schwab. She serves as the executive

director of the Suscuana Art Museum.

Please. Thank you. Thanks for inviting

me as well to be here and tell you a

little bit about our Suscuana Art

Museum. Um it's not lost on me that I'm

here on a night when there are people

from our neighborhood and um I honor our

neighbors. um in in the spirit of third

street celebration and um also sometimes

not so much. Um so Susuana Art Museum

was founded in 1989

and we were considered a museum without

walls. A museum without walls sounds

strange perhaps, but the founders wanted

to have something that would be for

educating youth and in the visual arts.

We were the only state capital in the

United States that did not have a

dedicated art museum in 1989.

So knowing that a bricks and mortar

establishment was going to cost a whole

lot of money and

be something that they couldn't afford,

they got a bus donated by area transit

and we're still on number two. And that

bus was uh retrofitted to be a museum

and we traveled around starting in 1992

in that the one that's down with the

rainbow um that says Van Go. Um since

that one and the one that's just above

it, uh we have had four generations of

Vanos. So traveling museums with wheels.

Um, our current Bango is on the next

slide and it's a 2022 Winnebago that was

customdesigned to be a traveling art

museum as opposed to retoled um, you

know, mobile home. Um, we visit schools,

we visit festivals, um, children's camps

and many locations throughout the year

bringing art to about 10,000 students

each year.

We try and before COVID were successful

in visiting every elementary school and

some of the um middle schools as well in

the Harrisburg school district, but I'm

not going to lie, since co it's been an

additional challenge to be able to get

to every school, but it is a goal that

we have.

So, those of you that have been around

Harrisburg for a while um might

recognize this corner. This is Third and

Market Streets diagonally across from

Whitaker Center. And this was one of the

museum's earlier bricks and mortals

mortar locations. It was a rented space.

Um, and the museum called that home for

about 10 years. When the owner of that

building decided that uh he was going to

sell the property in 2010, the museum

had to move. And that then we started

existing nomadically for about five

years. I Hey, we I wasn't there, but

I've heard the story. Um,

in January of 2015,

Sesuan Art Museum opened as a

non-collecting entity at Third and

Calder Streets. And you've all been

there, I'm sure.

So,

we converted uh what had been a branch

of the Fulton Bank most recently and

added a new addition that was really

worldclass museum space.

There were some financial issues with

regard to Saskuana Art Museum. Perhaps

you've heard about them.

At the end of 2017,

a recently reinvigorated museum board

member, by the way, we are um governed

by a nonprofit board of amazing people.

Um this board member, Tom Phillips,

announced that he believed in our

mission. He believed in our

sustainability. And he made us a

challenge. You raise $1 million

in a year, and I will give you $2

million over 20 years.

So that was very amazing for us. Um it

was transformational obviously and so

now we are called Susuana Art Museum at

the Marty and Tom Phillips Family Arts

Center. We shortened that sometimes to

say Sam at the Marty after Marty

Phillips.

The museum has received additional

naming grants from community members. In

2018, the Dodto family vault was named

and an unusual but now highly popular

exhibition area was made of the inside

of the bank's original vault.

In 2019, Suscoan Art Museum's main

gallery, where we exhibit the most

precious exhibitions, was renamed

Beverly and Bill Lair Gallery in

recognition of the countless hours of

time and funds that Bill Lair gave to

help write the ship when we needed it

most.

Also in 2019, the Pollock Foundation

named our education center gallery.

The Pollock Foundation has been a

consistent partner in developing our

educational programming.

And speaking of educational programming,

Sescuana Art Museum is a partner for the

Pennsylvania Steam Academy, which is

located just north of our facility, we

serve as a visual arts component that

helps make up that A in the word steam.

And we believe we have the only

museum-based elementary education

program uh museum-based education

program curricula in the United States.

So we welcome all school groups many of

whom uh make an exhibition related art

project while they're there at the

museum. We have Saturday morning art

classes. They take place in the context

of the exhibitions themselves. all our

classes tie in with the work that's

currently on exhibit.

Now, our main event, so to speak, uh we

um just closed this past weekend if her

street could talk. And you all know

where her street is. Um

Elron Scumby graduated from Harrisburg

High School in 2004. There's an awful

lot of people who know Gumby family

members and he has a huge extended

family. They are all incredibly proud of

their son uh and their son of

Harrisburg. Um Mr. Gumby has made a

serious and important mark on the

international art scene. The exhibition

was, I'm sorry to say, was a fabulous

homecoming for Altron and for the

community and they've really showed up.

Our exhibition statistics have been

tremendous while he was here. And I

couldn't resist but to do a video and

we'll see how Cedric is is so talented.

I'm not. So, he can play an embedded

video for you. This is Alterance's

documentary, the first documentary made

about

>> Cool. So, we're ready. Come on in.

>> This is just a trailer. Hold up.

>> This is a journey into color.

Color is all around us. It's full of

information. Sometimes we just take it

for granted. I think that's a part of

why I wanted to make this documentary is

to not only educate an audience, but

also to educate myself.

My name is Al Terance Gumby, kind of a

multi-disipline artist.

What you're going to see in this

documentary is an experience of color.

You're going to go on a journey to

places like Marty Gro, the Holly

Celebration in India, places around New

York City, from my studio to the Museum

of Metropolitan Art.

>> Cara, take one. So, I'm trying to bring

us back

>> and let's go back. Let's go. We're

bringing it back.

>> I wanted to go to Martyra because Marty

Gro is also deemed as one of those

celebrations of color.

>> Welcome to New Orleans.

>> With the costume, the people, the food,

the drinks, the excitement. There's so

much color to experience. The Great

Barrier Reef is another place that we'll

be going to. The water actually creates

a filter for how color is experienced.

For us

in Norway, we will see the northern

lights phenomenon that happens when

solar rays interacts with the earth's

magnetic field that then causes these

interaction of color and light.

I'm here with Nab talking about gula.

>> How many colors are there usually?

>> 20 to 25 different colors.

>> Yeah.

>> Traveling to Morocco and experiencing

the spice market is something I've

always wanted to do.

The color that is manifested within

food. We get this new realization of

color through food.

>> Tamashi, take one.

>> Color is just color, you know. They

communicate temperature. They

communicate tone. Um, and they help us

have fun.

>> We're here with Michael Ambbron, the

pigment guru. This is magic. I can't

stop looking at this paint.

Who doesn't love fashion? We wake up and

the first thing we do is we put on

clothes. Within this documentary, you

will see Jerome Lamar in the

Metropolitan Museum of Art. You're going

to see us going to the Great Hall of

Gems at the Museum of Natural History

and have a conversation about gemstones

and color and the history of this

planet.

This is a journey into color.

There's a second documentary. They're in

postp production now called um Color in

Nature. So, be on the lookout for that.

I'm just so proud that we were able to

be able to do this exhibit with Altron.

Um, as I mentioned, we're founded as a

non-collecting museum, and that means

that we don't have a collection. There's

not not a basement full of stuff. We're

always bringing new things for the

public to see and enjoy and exhibitions

change every three to four months um in

each of our five exhibition areas.

Sadly, if you did not get to see

Alterance's If Her Street Could Talk, um

you missed it. And that's just how

things go at Susan Art Museum. You have

to keep coming back to see us. Um, we

recently became a nonprofit partner of

America 250 Pennsylvania as we prepare

to help our nation celebrate its

semiquinn centennial,

American Identity, which I some of you

have a postcard I put in front of you.

Um, is our next exhibit, Restoring the

Artistic Legacy of the Suscuana River.

It opens to the public on March 14th.

And this exhibition is uh historical in

nature and it features art made about

our river. The Suscuana, as you might

know, is the fifth oldest river in the

world. And the beauty has inspired

artists for centuries. It seemed

incredibly timely to bring this

exhibition to Harrisburg

um for our 250th celebration.

So why have an art museum in Harrisburg?

Museums are, according to statistical

research, a highly trusted source of

information, bringing beauty and joy to

the world that frankly needs it.

People who spend time with art in

museums are purported to be more

empathetic, certainly more creative, and

better able to assimilate information.

Museums like Susuana Art Museum are

community resources and we are delighted

to be able to share the beauty of art

from all over the world, contemporary

and historic, international, and from

artists that are right here in our

neighborhood.

While we're located in a rather imposing

100-year-old bank building,

we've got the only painted Verizon 5G

pole in the entire United States. It was

designed by local artist even Michael

Hos whose ubiquitous style you may

recognize from all over town. Um there

is a story behind that. I'd be glad to

share it another m moment if you want to

hear about it. Um, I do hope you'll come

to visit us, visit us soon, visit us

often, and um, I want to say thank you

to council because um, you did approve

uh, at a recent meeting our plans to

move forward with a new courtyard in the

area just north of the museum's

footprint. Um,

in this space that you see here, uh,

Roguel plans to begin work mid-March,

and by this summer, we intend to have a

lovely new outdoor flat courtyard area.

Um, we look forward to welcoming the

community to be able to be a part

indoors and outdoors of Sesuana Art

Museum. Thank you so much for

>> Thank you. Thank you very much for

sharing.

We do have a proclamation for you in

celebration of your 10 years um and your

third street location. So bear with me

for a moment. The city of Harrisburg,

Pennsylvania office of city council and

office of city clerk

proclamation.

Whereas the city of Harrisburg applauds

the Suscuana Art Museum for their

dedicated commitment to sharing modern

art with the greater Harrisburg area for

10 years. And whereas the Suscuana Art

Museum carries out its mission to

promote art appreciation and education

by bringing a rotation of exceptional

exhibitions to South Central

Pennsylvania.

And whereas the dream of the Suscuana

Art Museum began in 1989 when a group of

central Pennsylvania art educators who

felt strongly that the capital city

needed an art museum. The art educators

worked with community leaders,

businessmen and women, and volunteers to

make their dream a reality.

And whereas the Suscuana Art Museum is

central Pennsylvania's only dedicated

art museum, a permanent facility in

Midtown Harrisburg opened in January of

2015.

And whereas the Sesuana Art Museum

offers drawing, painting, sculpture, art

history, and art appreciation for

children, a kids art club, open figure

drawing, and summer camps. And whereas

the Suscuana Art Museum hosts an

outreach program, the Van Go Museum on

Wheels, which is a 34 foot custom

Wnebago equipped with an onboard museum

gallery teaching all children that

creativity lies within each of us. And

whereas the Suscuana Art Museum hosts

classes, lectures, workshops, and

discussions for adults.

And now therefore, be it hereby proclaim

that Harrisburg City Council commends

the Suscoana Art Museum for their vision

to be a leading cultural institution

that inspires and engages diverse

communities through extraordinary art

expanding perspectives and presenting

new ways of seeing our world. And be it

further proclaimed that Harrisburg City

Council wishes to extend best wishes for

successful years to come. Signed and

attested in the city of Harrisburg,

Pennsylvania. Cedric Humphrey, assistant

city clerk. Danielle Elill, Harrisburg

City Council. Of course, we'd like to

take a picture if you wouldn't mind.

>> I wouldn't mind. And you all you said it

so much better than I did.

>> Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you. We will move forward with our

meeting agenda by opening the floor for

courtesy of the floor. Just a few

housekeeping notes before we begin.

Please state your name and your address

for the meeting record. If you don't

feel comfortable sharing your address,

please share the vicinity in which you

live within the city, you will have four

minutes to share your comments.

Mr. Humphrey has added a for your

reference. I will begin to my right. Is

there anyone that would like to offer

public comment?

One more reminder. In our council rules,

it notes that if um many people or a

group of individuals are speaking on the

same topic, we would ask that you please

designate a spokesperson. Thank you.

>> Uh good evening, council. I am Brian

Keysling from Midtown. Last week, ICE

murdered a black woman. Her name was

Linda Davis. She was a special education

teacher down in Georgia. ICE initiated a

car chase against a different

individual. Uh she was hit, she was

pinned, they saw that she was hurt and

they denied her medical care and she

died. She was loved by her family and

her community and her students. And to

our government, she's collateral damage

in a white supremacist attack on

immigrants, citizens, anybody.

and her murder highlights the importance

of legislation protecting the people of

this city from ICE because what happened

to her could h any single one of us in

this room. It could happen to any one of

us in this room. So I see on the agenda

tonight that there is room for

amendments to be added to the

legislation. I know you have received

recommendations from a variety of

people, a variety of different groups

who have suggested a bunch of different

things. I urge you to take each of those

into consideration and any of them that

make this bill stronger, add them to the

bill. I urge you specifically to ban ICE

from all public property in the city,

not just non-public city property.

Because what they did to her, if they

can access public property in this city,

it makes it all the easier for any

single one of us to suffer the same

fate. Because to them, we're either

targets or collateral damage, and that's

all it is.

I urge you to pass the bill tonight

and to not let this be the end of it. It

can continue to be stronger going

forward. It doesn't have to be a

oneanddone thing. This is an evolving

situation. I urge you as a body to write

letters or contact the mayor, the county

commissioners, the governor, the people

who are inside, the people who are

outside. They're all going to contact

higher levels of office, too. But as a

body, we need you to say as a city to

work with you so that you can work with

us and give us what we need to do

because we're going to continue to push

at all levels. And we're also going to

continue to take self-defense seriously

as a community regardless of what we end

up getting from the governor or any

other elected official. Uh, I urge that

if now or any time in the future you're

advised that what we've got is the best

that we can get to please seek better

advice because this is evolving. It's

going to be ongoing and we can make it

stronger. Uh,

that's that's the most important thing.

We can make it stronger. We can keep

people safe. There are really specific

things we can do like banning them from

public property, like addressing

surveillance issues, like addressing

data protection issues, keeping ICE out

of our community to make sure that the

people who live in this city can live

lives of dignity and not be under threat

by a fascist government that has said,

"We don't care who you are. We will come

for you." They're coming for everybody.

So, thank you again for your

consideration on this issue. Thank you

for your diligence and taking the time

on it. Thank you to those who have

spoken out publicly about this.

We know that it's a step forward. We

know it's a step in the right direction,

but we can always do more. So, thank you

very much. And we're we're watching and

we're listening and we're we're hoping

for the best that we can get because

it's a long fight ahead of us. Thank

you.

>> Thank you.

Thank you. Is there anyone else to my

right that would like to offer public

comment?

>> Hi, my name is Sarah Pinter. I'm a

resident of Midtown. Um, I wanted to

thank council for the opportunity to

speak tonight. Um, I'm just here as a

concerned citizen. Um, and I wanted to

say that I appreciate the efforts of

council to take action to stop the

abduction of our neighbors and the

transfer of human beings to

concentration camps at the hands of ICE.

While the proposed resolution on

tonight's agenda is a step in the right

direction, it's no secret that such a

policy does not do nearly enough to

protect the people of Harrisburg from

the unspeakable violence and cruelty ICE

inflicts in all places they are present.

Restriction on cooperation with ICE is

the absolute bare minimum. Protecting

our immigrant neighbors and all

residents of Harrisburg requires

proactive policies like those sent in

the example welcoming ordinances sent to

council a few weeks ago and other

measures that would help to uh make this

resolution a little bit more robust and

strong. I would strongly encourage

um I understand that council may only

act within its authority, but I do urge

robust creative solutions that not only

help to keep people safe, but help them

thrive here in Harrisburg, which is

their home.

At a minimum, I urge council to ban ICE

presence in any public space uh in line

with the comments of the gentleman

before me um and to refuse their entry

into city affiliated events. Such a

policy is critical to keep all

Harrisburgers, especially immigrants and

people of color safe, and it upholds the

city's autonomy over this fascist

incursion at the hands of the federal

government.

I also urge council to completely ban

any data or information sharing with ICE

in any form, including for law

enforcement purposes.

I will remind all present as we gather

here on the ancestral land of the

Saskuhan people that no one is illegal

on stolen land. And we owe it to each

other to stand together to oppose

imperialism, fascism, and all forms of

white supremacy. Because to paraphrase,

that which they will do to the least of

our neighbors, that they do unto us. To

our immigrant neighbors, your community

loves you and we will stand with you.

Thank you.

Thank you. Is there anyone else to my

right that would like to offer public

comment?

Hi there. My name is Paty Simpson. and I

live in Susquana Township, but I am

speaking tonight on behalf of HMAC and I

kind of feel bad following after these

past two people who have been talking

about such important things. But what

I'm talking about is important as well.

I've been going to HMAC for a long, long

time. And I uh it's a part of my life.

It's part of my community. I um my

family, my friends get together there to

celebrate birthdays. We sit on the porch

with our dogs. Uh, I've seen concerts at

comedians there, but a apart from my

personal feelings about HMAC. Um, I do

want to point out that everyone should

be concerned about the issue of why so

many restaurants and businesses are

closing and leaving the city. We lost

Burger Yum. Um, we also lost I lost my

pace there. We lost Aruga's Home 231.

The anchor of Somo El Soul is leaving.

Uh ABC's Brew Club closed the Vegetable

Hunter, Masa, Aroma on Second, Zero Day

Tap Room, Taco Amigos, Oldtown Delica,

Pastorant, and there's so many more. And

no one's been able to make a go of the

space on Second Street that was a

one-time the quarters. And throw in all

the uh lost businesses and chaos

surrounding the Broad Street Market. I'm

sure I'm missing people, but you do get

the point. Each one of these closed

businesses represents lost income for

the city, the owners, the employees, the

community like myself and the loss of

the familiar and sense of community of

the patrons.

Um, I don't know why these restaurants

have closed and businesses have closed

or moved out of the city, but it's above

my pay grade, but someone needs to

figure this out before our city looks

like the pre-rest row era. City Council,

I charge you with figuring out what our

city is doing wrong, that we can't keep

these restaurants and businesses, why we

can't have nice things here, and please,

please find a way to keep me from having

to add HMAC to my ever growing list of

businesses that's were important to my

life that is no longer here. Thank you

very much.

>> Thank you.

>> Is there anyone else to my right that

would like to offer public comment?

Uh, hello. My name is Toby. Um,

a really big thing that I've been

dealing with is um, oh, sorry, I live in

Midtown. Um,

landlords are

wanting people to make three times the

rent before they even get qualified to

like give the landlord any money.

Um, I believe that there should be some

type of rule. Um, I'm not sure if the

city council can make it, but some type

of rule that makes it so uh

having three times the rent isn't a

qualifi qualification

um to even for them to even think about

um renting out to somebody.

Um,

I honestly I think it's very

discriminatory

and uh that's all. Thank you.

>> Thank you, Toby.

Is there anyone else to my right that

would like to offer public comment?

>> Uh, good afternoon everybody. Hope

everyone is having a wonderful day

today. Uh, my name is Estrea Lopez. Uh I

am a proud member of we are Kasa

committee today and I just want to

comment on a similar issue to my two

peers over here. Um, as someone who has

been born and raised in Harrisburg,

Pennsylvania for 18 years now, I want

you guys to take in in consideration and

please support the Harrisburg Trust Act,

also known as Bill 2026

because it is I just want you guys to

take ination that as someone who has

been living here and seen all the

diversity and all the freedom, it is

very sad to see that we are living in

chaos and fear. Um, I just want you guys

to see the issues that's going on to

please look at it. Um, I also uh want to

uh for the safety of our community, for

our safety of our community, and to

please continue the legacy and the

freedom that Harrisburg has always been

known for. And that's um also where I

have been born and seen in. So, I'm a

little nervous today. So, but I just

want you guys to please take in

consideration especially for our

community, our people who are living in

fear, who are not going out of their

houses. Um, especially my family, our

neighbors. We know that Harrisburg is

known for people knowing each other, for

uh bonding. We know that Harrisburg, the

city, the city is small, but we all know

each other. We all love each other. And

it will be a shame that that spark will

go away because of the fear, because of

the chaos that's going on. And that is

why we want to uh keep fighting and for

you guys to keep in consideration. Thank

you.

>> Thank you.

Do you mind stating your address or the

vicinity in which you live? It's just

for our meeting record, Miss Lopez.

>> The city.

Yes. Where your address or where you

live?

>> Uh, I live in Bear Hill Street Hill

Street. Harrisburg.

>> That's good. Thank you.

>> How you doing? My name is Antoine. I'm

from Midtown. Um, I a come up here and

speak about a lot of different things. I

thought I don't like the parking on

Second Street in front of my house. I

don't like paying for it. But my issue

at hand uh hmat I mean uh a lot of young

talents from the city get to come there

and

even get a stage presence to even build

their heart up to even express yourself

and try to start to live out their

dreams there. It's also a place where uh

a lot of um different cultures and

communities get together. You know what

I mean? political LBG. Uh, no matter

where you anywhere else you going to go

to see a rap concert and a rock and roll

concert at the same spot and sit there

in the gallery with politicals and

everybody, you know, I mean, sharing

their own mental mentals and and

expanding mind frames and business

frames and and networking. That's the

word for doing a lot of networking. It's

a it's a good spot to come together and

get things right in the community if you

use it for that. You I mean, you got you

got to look at you got to look at a lot

of a lot of different different aspects

of the game here. You know what I'm

saying? There's people outside in the

city that come to me. What's wrong with

the H? What's going Because a lot of

people in the city love the HMAP. They

don't want it to go. They they come

there for certain things like people

come there with their family for trivia

every week. Poetry, you know, I mean,

come poetry every week. They do things

every week. Karaoke, people get on stage

and and and get their get their styles

right, get get themselves together. I

mean, Harrisburg needs stuff like that.

We need places to people can go and and

and get their and get their craft

together. They don't have that no more.

We don't got after school program a lot

of after school programs and five on f5s

and three on threes and different things

that we had in the 90s coming up in the

80s coming up. We don't have that no

more. We need that back in the city.

Sorry about that. Work on but um y'all

need y'all need to uh look at the HMAC

situation. You know what I'm saying? And

like keep that there. We need that in

our community. You know what I'm saying?

Because they bring a lot of people from

different areas from York, Lebanon, and

Lancaster to come outside and express

their talents and get together with

people and take that to other places.

Bring bringing money into the city from

outside of the city. That's what it's

all about. You want the city to grow.

You want to get the kids off the street.

Nah, they got they got things going on

there for people. You I mean, people sit

there, nah, they got them wild young

boys in the street. They want to be

musicians. They want to be rap stars.

You know what they going to do? They

going to take some of that time off of

the street and go and get their craft

right to get on stage. You know what I'm

saying? And get people for community

that's going to be on their back about

that. You know what I mean? Don't take

it away from them. Help them out. If

y'all want to see to get it right, y'all

want y'all want to get get it right.

Y'all got to know what y'all doing. But

don't try to take the HMAC away from a

lot of people gonna be mad and then

y'all gonna be mad when they turn up.

That's all I got to say.

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else to my

right that would like to offer public

comment?

>> Hi, my name is Kevin Knox. I'm from

Midtown Harrisburg. I just wanted to

reiterate um right now HMAC is closed

and we're trying to pay the back taxes

that we owe to the city and the city

doesn't seem to be helping us out or

coming to any agreement with us. And I

just want to mention that there is a lot

of support. If everyone anyone who's

here for HMAC, please stand up.

It has a lot of support in the community

and without HMAC there won't be that

community. So, please, city council,

help the city and the owners get

together and come up with a plan. Thank

you very much.

>> Thank you.

>> Is there anyone else my right that would

like to offer public comment?

>> Hi. Um, my name is Taylor from North

Street Harrisburg.

And I'm gonna be real. I'm so freaking

nervous. But literally the only reason

I'm even brave enough is because of the

space HMAC lent.

Um

so I was an employee, a patron, um just

a community member there and the one

thing I need is a staple in our

community to be given the chance to

still be a part of it. Um, I started

coming to HMAC in August 2021 for poetry

and I was a new mom. Um, I needed to get

out of the house and find something for

myself, find myself. Um, enjoy a hobby

and find some community because being a

stay-at-home mom is really lonely.

So, um, I found that there and Sorry.

I'm sorry.

Um, but I've gained like so many friends

there. Like all of my friends are there

and now I'm like stuck in my apartment

like trying to figure out what to do.

Um,

I don't know why I'm shaking

but you mean

I usually don't do this. Um, but I met

like so many people there. There's so

many different walks of life there. Um

you there's so many activities to do

that like it literally turned into a

weekly routine.

Mind you, I should also be at Kevin

Knox's trivia tonight.

Uh and I hate that I'm missing poetry

nights that give me the courage to like

have a voice and share my art. Um and I

miss hearing everybody else's art. Last

year I faced unemployment and was

looking for work and you know who took

me in HMAC. So um they gave me a chance

to stay on my feet and in that I have

learned new skills, new purpose, a way

to be a part of my favorite community.

And this is literally the only place

I've worked that said your family and I

actually believe them.

Um this is not just a bar or music

venue. This is a safe space, a home, a

place to catch up with friends to shoot

pool, a place to celebrate each other.

You celebrate weddings, birthdays,

everything. Um, a place to share your

art and not be scared that you're being

judged. A place where we celebrate

differences, no matter your age, race,

sexual orientation, size, or gender.

We have industry nights, drag brunches,

trivia nights, poetry, and even local

bands. So, we even

celebrate the people that are literally

in our community to try and come out and

show us what they got. Like,

and so like all I really ask is like

maybe there can be something worked out.

So, I want to I hope that we can find

some solution.

I like I understand why this happened.

Like obviously there's a lot of money

that is owed. So, I hope like some

something can come up. But honestly, we

also really as a city we can't afford to

watch Midtown deteriorate into abandoned

buildings that were once lively.

And so if we could please find a

solution, keep the city alive, and look

at the entertainment tax in general

because we all know like it's so low

everywhere else, but here it's 10%.

Um, so if we can't save the city,

um, we can't even try to keep a staple

if we can't do that. Thank you.

Thank you.

Is there anyone else to my right that

would like to offer public comment?

>> Not yet. We'll get to the middle. I I

assume momentarily. Not sure yet.

Please.

>> Hello. Hello. My name is Gabriel Gavara.

I live in Midtown. Uh and I'm still

learning how city council works, so

forgive me if I'm jumping the gun. Uh

but it's my understanding that today's

legislative session will be used to make

amendments to bill 1 2026 to better

reflect what the community has been

asking of the council. Uh last week you

each went around and stated that you had

high hopes for collaborating with the

community on this bill that us coming

together in this room is democracy in

action. So, please remember that today

while working on this legislative

session because as the bill currently

stands, it doesn't include any of the

suggestions that many of the fellow

community members have brought forth in

this room, such as refusal from the city

to enter into any contractual agreement

to provide access to databases or

equipment to be used in immigration

operations, prohibiting ICE from using

public city property such as our parks

to stage traps for our neighbors, or any

of the non-intervention and prohibited

action items laid out in the alternative

legislation that was sent to all of you.

Your constituents took the time to lay

out these ideas that could be used to

help make our community safe. Those

protections need to be reflected in this

bill. We appreciate that each one of you

shares the sentiment that we should

protect our community from ICE, but just

saying that you look forward to working

together and not choosing to include any

ideas we've suggested cannot be called

collaboration. And please remember, even

if the bill is passed today that we are

all pleased with, the road ahead is

still a long one. With the evershifting

power theft this current DHS is

conducting, we need to continue coming

up with new legislation that meets this

dire moment and keeps our communities

and families safe. I look forward to

seeing what we can all work together to

come up with. Thank you.

Thank you. Is there anyone else to my

right that would like to offer public

comment?

Hi, my name is Ava Swift Warner from

Midtown Harrisburg. I'm the daughter of

Chris Warner, the owner of Harrisburg

Midtown Arts Center, HMAC. I'm standing

here tonight as I did last week and as I

will any other week I may have to on

behalf of Hback to try and save my home.

HMAC isn't just a building or a bar to

me. It's the place where I grew up

watching my dad put everything he has

into making something special for

Harrisburg. Before HMAC was a venue, it

was a vision. My dad continues to hope

for more culture, creativity, and

opportunities in already

disintegrating city. A place where

anyone from anywhere can come together.

He didn't just build a business, he

built a dream. A dream he has had since

he was very little. My dad and my

grandpa had loved the arts for as long

as I can remember. Once HMAC became a

part of our lives, it made the best,

most unforgettable memories they've ever

experienced. So, he sacrificed all the

time and money he had to keep the dream

alive. Watching his dream unfold has

made it mine. HMAC truly has his entire

heart, but also mine. Just seeing the

way HMAC has helped so many people will

forever be my dream. HMAC has always

been my safe place. It's where I see my

future. It's where I learned everything

I know. As I graduate this year, I plan

to go to college for business so I can

come back and take over HMAC one day. I

want to keep my dad's legacy alive, but

right now it feels like my future is

being taken away from me. Closing HMAC

for good would be destroying a home away

from home for my family and many

citizens of Harrisburg. These aspects

may not be our biggest concern, but

they're all of ours. On the other hand,

HMAC is a staple of the city. It's one

of the only places in Harrisburg where

arts, culture, and live music truly live

together. It's a place where anyone, no

matter who they are, can walk through

the doors and feel like they belong

without any judgement. HMAC host poetry

nights, comedy nights, live music, and

so much more that bring together the

people of Harrisburg. Not to mention,

lots of these events are free for the

entire community. I know this there is a

big dispute about taxes right now, but I

want you to look at what Harrisburg

loses if we stay closed. According to my

research, independent venues in our area

bring in 14.5 million million dollars

every year in off-site spending, which

includes spending at hotels,

restaurants, and stores. When people

come to HMAC for a show, they eat at

restaurants next door and support other

local businesses. Some people even drive

hours to see their favorite artists

perform. If we close, dozens of people

bartenders, security, and many more lose

their jobs immediately. This is the

reason we have that GoFundMe and one of

the many reasons we have employees

standing here today. In addition, there

are approximately 12,200 unemployed

individuals in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

The more businesses you shut down, the

more this number will increase, the more

people who lose their homes, their cars,

and their ability to live happily.

Lastly, it's important to understand the

weight of the 10% amusement tax we face

here in Harrisburg. While I'm fully

aware of the responsibility HMAC has to

pay it, it is a massive burden compared

to larger cities where the rate is only

around 5%. Only 12% of independent

stages in Harrisburg are reported a

steady profit. This tax isn't just a

fee, it's a barrier, making it nearly

impossible for local culture to survive.

We aren't making excuses for the past,

but we're asking for a fair chance to

catch up under a system that doesn't set

venues up to fail. My dad and his team

have a real plan to pay the taxes owed.

There were lots of misinterpretations

and generally false information given to

the city in the past and I've personally

heard my dad admit that. However, lately

there have been Lately they've reached

out many times just wanting to talk and

find a way to make this right. But

helping us come to a resolution. By

helping us come to a resolution, you

aren't just helping out a business in

Harrisburg. You're taking the next step

to continue my dream forever. Regardless

of my family, you're protecting the

culture, arts, and opportunities of many

people in our city after the drastic

downfall of businesses in Harrisburg.

And again, all it takes to continue this

path is your help. Thank you for

listening.

>> Can you please state your address or the

vicinity in which you live, please?

>> Midtown Harrisburg.

>> Thank you.

>> Is there anyone else to my right that

would like to offer public comment?

I would. Stephen Gristo, 2531 Bow

Street. Having been born in this city,

being raised by my parents with eight

children, my dad fought in World War II

for a country to be free

from those that want to pervert the

country, twist the country, invade the

country.

When we had the national election 14

months ago,

a big factor had to do with the fact

that our country is being invaded by

illegal immigrants.

My grandfather came over here in 1905

in the proper way through Ellis Island.

We've got the plaque.

He didn't come in illegally

and they're not socalled name of

whatever they want to use. Undocumented,

excuse me. Illegal means just that. You

broke the law.

We got people in our campuses being

murdered by illegal immigrants.

That should have never happened

under the Biden administration. They

weren't vetted. It's interesting to note

that everybody

is okay with this certain law. One

woman, she was all for the so-called

transgenderism.

She went into a Target store. Her two

daughters went into the bathroom. She

goes shopping.

This was a black woman. Three Caucasian

men walked into that bathroom.

The two girls came out and met their

mother. They were visibly shaken. They

told her what happened.

>> She was all, "Excuse me. I got the

floor. Thank you.

>> Excuse me.

>> Thank you."

They were visibly shaken. She was all

for the transgenderism for males going

into a woman's bathroom until that

happened. Now she's against it.

Why is it that we're forced something

that goes against God's law, God's will,

God's way, God's word until it hits

home. Oh, then they're against it.

>> Then they're against it. Somebody ought

to arrest that guy with a foul language.

>> Somebody ought to arrest that guy with a

foul language. Somebody go after him.

>> Excuse me. Are you finished with your

comments? So my point is there needs to

be laws in a city

>> to stand against

those that want to break the law. We

already got pedophiles out here in the

city streets. They're coming in the city

over the borders. Pedophiles. We got

human trafficking

right here in the city of Harrisburg. I

know

the woman was in trouble. She stopped me

to pick her up

and I picked her up. She was from

another country. Human trafficked at the

Harrisburg airport. That's what's

happening. Come through our borders.

Only a person with the twisted,

demented, dark mind

would want to support people coming over

here that are pedophiles,

human trafficking,

and then MS13.

that'll actually cut your heart

literally out of your body. And we would

allow this kind of people to come in

unvetted.

I don't see the American flag out there

flying that my dad almost lost his life

over in World War II.

The soldiers that gave their life.

I don't see you looking at immigrants

fighting for this country to keep it

free like my dad did.

America needs to wake up. Thank God they

voted the personnel that allowed them to

commit.

>> Thank you for your comments. Your time

has expired. Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> Is there anyone wake America up?

>> Is there anyone else to my right that

would like to offer public comment?

Okay. Seeing and hearing no one. Anyone

in the middle section?

>> Wow. Hi, my name is Carrie Fowler. I

live in Midtown Harrisburg. Um, thank

you city council for taking this time. I

want to sincerely thank you for the work

you've done on the recent ICE related

resolution. Your willingness to address

this issue that demonstrates leadership

and a commitment to the safety, dignity,

and rights of our community members.

Taking this step really matters and I

really want to thank you for taking it

seriously. At the same time, I believe

this resolution could be and should be

strengthened. Given the seriousness of

the concerns surrounding immigration

enforcement and its impact on families

in Harrisburg, we have an opportunity to

make the policy more robust, clearer in

its protections, and stronger in its

accountability measures.

I respectfully urge the council to

continue building on this foundation by

engaging and being transparent with

community members with ongoing review

and insight. A stronger worker a

stronger resolution would send a clear

message that Harrisburg prioritizes

public safety, constitutional rights,

and trust between residents and local

government. Thank you again for taking

this important step. I hope you will

continue refining and repro improving

the resolution to ensure it fully

reflects our community's values and

protects all who call Harrisburg home.

Thank you.

>> Thank you.

There anyone else in the middle section

that would like to offer public comment?

>> Good evening. My name's Ralph Core and

I'm from the 25th Street area of

Harrisburg. I'm a lifelong Harrisburg

resident and in fact I spent the first

two years of my life in the apartments

right above the stage on her at what's

now the Harrisburg Midtown Arts Center.

I've watched the city change for the

better for my formative years. But over

the last 15 years or so, it's been for

the worse. Harrisburg is a government

town and according to the Bureau of

Statistics, government makes up about

20% of all non-farm jobs, 60,000 out of

about 375,000 total positions. It's one

of the biggest slices of our local

economy. It brings stability, but we

also need venues and other businesses to

bring that stability to the city.

Most of the revenue in the city comes

from taxes paid by the people that live

here, the businesses that operate here,

and the government workers who spend

their paychecks right in our

neighborhoods along with fine citations

and fees that keep the lights on. And my

childhood, this city failed its young

people. There is no safe, positive

places for kids to go, no venues for

music, no spaces for creativity, nothing

for independent artists. That void, I

believe, is still reflected in the

challenges my generation, those after

us, have faced with crime.

Opportunities for artists have been far

and few between. Finding a spot in

Harrisburg that truly felt like it

belonged to everyone was rare. That

started to change in 2009.

The Harrisburg Midtown Arts Center

opened its doors and created something

different. It built an environment where

everyone could belong. hip-hop nights,

heavy metal shows, rock bands, DJs,

digital artists, even professional

wrestling, every race, every culture,

every artistic passion found a home

there. This isn't just a venue. Notice I

speak of the presence as I don't give up

hope for a change in the current status.

It's a community hub that felt inclusive

for the first time in a long time. I

know how a city like Harrisburg ends up

distressed. And that's exactly why the

amusement tax was forced passed back in

1982 to help a city that was struggling.

We left that struggle under Mayor Reed.

By the late 90s, Harrisburg was a place

to be. But here's the dangerous pattern

I want to highlight today. That tax

never went away. All the places that

once made Harrisburg great, they're

gone. the Metron, the Hardware Bar, the

Dragonfly, the Gingerbread Man, Mars, so

many others. That 10% tax, which is 5%

to the fitt city and 5% to the school

district, takes a huge bite out of every

ticket sold. After paying the artists,

the staff, and the rent, and the lights,

which all those bills have gone up. As

an artist and a wrestling promoter, I

can tell you booking a $1,000 guy

pre-COVID is now $4,000. We've seen a

four-fold on entertainment costs.

Keeping that revenue so high is just

hurting everybody involved.

It's a self-destruction cycle. The tax

that was meant to help the city is

slowly choking the very entertainment

and culture that makes a city worth

living in and visiting. I could stand

here today as a wrestling promoter, talk

about my own selfish games, how HMAC

gave me the chance to share the stage

with my wonderful children who are here

with me today to write some of the best

storylines in independent wrestling. But

that's not why I'm here. I'm here for my

community. I'm here for the artists who

finally had a stage and for the parents

who can bring their kids to a proper

adult supervision to experience live

music. for the wrestling fans roughly

half of whom have disabilities who find

an escape from reality for just one

night every couple of months instead of

staring at a screen in four walls. In a

city that still struggles with far too

much crime, we need the arts now more

than ever. We need places that bring

people together instead of pushing them

apart. And we need venues that give our

young people something positive to do,

something to dream about, and something

to belong to. Now more than ever, we

need Hback.

>> Thank you.

Is there anyone else in the middle

section that would like to offer public

comment?

Siller Steelenber.

Council members, I'm here once again to

voice my support for bill one of 2026 as

I am glad that we have a basic

structure, but I am urging council to

amend it to close some potential

loopholes and vulnerabilities,

especially in places that ICE has been

known to maliciously loiter, such as

places of worship, medical facilities,

and schools. I'm here to encourage and

plead for council to include more robust

language utilizing the likes of the

welcoming city ordinance as seen in

Langster and Philadelphia. I'm also

here, not only on my behalf, but on

behalf of Kia Fowler of Fifth Street,

who is unable to join us this evening,

to pass a blanket ordinance requiring

all law enforcement agents, whether

local, state, or federal, to publicly

display badges, identification, and

agency affiliation. They demand we all

present our papers while they obscure

their identity for fear of repercussions

of their actions. council. When the law

is lawless, we as citizens and you as

our representatives trusted to represent

the best interests of we the people must

recognize that established rules and

norms become irrelevant. And it comes

down to you as well as representatives

on all levels above you to make a stand

alongside us and with your power say

enough is enough.

Thank you for your time.

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else in the

middle section that would like to offer

public comment?

>> All right.

>> Hey, how y'all doing? Uh, my name is

Anthony Floyd. I live on six and Boas. I

grew up in Enola and I graduated high

school. I joined the United States Army.

I served on active duty for 10 years and

I did two tours in Iraq. I was on ISF

mid team. my first tour and a convoy

security team. My second tour at my

third and final duty station, I was

tasked to drive for the company

commander and be the combo room uh NCO.

So, I pretty much sat in an office and

did nothing until the commander needed a

ride. So, I kind of lost purpose in life

and what I was doing in the military.

So, I got into acting. I first started

in theater and it uh

and I was told I was pretty good. So I

took a leap and I decided to get out of

the military and go into college at the

New York Film Academy in New York City.

I studied acting for film, film making

and photography for a year a piece.

After I graduated, I got into I got an

agent and I started doing acting gigs

and photography. It was fun and I I

finally found a purpose, a drive in life

again, you know. Uh, I first went to

HMAC doing photos for certain hip-hop

artists. I fell in love with the place

for its diversity and everything from

the art to the kind of people that go

there. They're open to everyone, you

know, and uh then then co hit and

everything I worked so hard for came to

a halt. It was a terrible time for us

all. I then got into a four-year

relationship with someone and ended

really, really bad. But uh I was in a

really dark place and then I met my

friend Chris and his beautiful family.

They opened their life, their love and

their friendship to me. He motivated me

to pick myself up and keep moving

forward. Uh and and then I started

acting and doing photography again. I

saw a purpose in life again, you know.

And look, I know there is a financial

situation here, but there has to be a

way to have a signed agreement with

Chris or maybe a two-year extension with

a payment plan or something. Look, I

don't know much about business, but I

know art. Art is a way for us all to

have a self-expression. There's an

artist in all of us in a way, one way or

another, you know.

So I plead with the the powers that be

um that uh you know give this amazing

house of art a chance. Please thank you

for your time.

>> Thank you.

Is there anyone else in the middle

section?

>> Hello everyone. My name is J.R.

Geronimo. I live in Midtown. I wanted to

touch upon a refrain that I see

mentioned again and again and that's

community. you see people wanting to

protect their communities via v visa v

the uh the the ICE bill that's brought

before you and also with HMAC myself I

uh I was born in New York City grew up

there grew up in New Jersey lived down

in Maryland I came here for work I'm a

federal attorney um and one thing that I

found when I lived here was poetry night

at HMAC and this happens every Thursday

and it's something where the community

truly presents themselves and is able to

discuss and present ideas. This is

something that I have not encountered in

all those other places that I lived, you

know, across the country. It's a unique

thing. It actually is a testament to the

capacity for our community to be able to

express themselves and actually have a

forum and a place to do so. I'm aware

that HMAC had an outstanding grant for

about two million $2 million. Now, you

don't know this. I do a lot of grant

approval and that kind of thing in my

capacity. uh if that money is there,

that's money that could be reinvested

and and committed to the community. Um

you know, I I know that the

entertainment tax uh is about 10% which

is over what most other uh surrounding

areas have. And it's about what do we do

to make sure that we aren't having this

city in a death spiral. I live right by

Broad Street Market. That building's

been burned down since three years. I

remember going outside when it did and

it's a shock to me that it hasn't been

reconstructed. I that street's been

blocked off on Verbeck. Do you know how

many times I see cars go the wrong way

down that street? It's just a failing

over and over and over again. You see

businesses close and you see the this

community which I thought was brilliant

and beautiful is just dying on the

inside and we need to do more to prevent

that from happening. I came here and

it's one of the most physically

beautiful places that you'll see in the

country. When you walk along the

riverbank and you go to the Susuana,

it's absolutely gorgeous. And what are

we doing with that? What are we doing as

a city, right? Why can't we be more,

right? And and and there's no reason why

it can't be. And anyway, thank you so

much for your time. I just wanted to

highlight that we are a community, all

of us. And if we let parts of ourselves

die, you know, you can't just grow that

back. You can't just get a new business

to come in. You can't just replace, you

know, she had a list of what, 14, 16

businesses. Come on, we have to do

better. Thank you.

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else in the

middle section that would like to offer

public comment?

How you guys doing? I'm uh Michael

Klein. I live on Allison Hill. Um I

think it's

safe to say we live in some dark times

today, you know.

And if you look around, I see

so many diverse individuals, amazing

people here sharing their voice, you

know.

And uh there's a lot of concerns, man.

You got the ice stuff going on out

there. It's dark. Which means what we

need right now is love, positivity,

strength,

one place that highlights all of that

and one

space, the Harrisburg Midtown Arts

Center. You know, and I know it's crazy.

We got so many people speaking on this

and it's beautiful really. It's poetic

in a way. And this is a place that you

know so many people have said it you

know so many people can come together

and share what they do in every

different art form there is there's no

place like it you know it's a place that

has given me a lot of opportunity among

hundreds and thousands of others. It

draws so many people not just from this

city but outside the city coming in

spending their money in the city you

know now one thing I do want to

highlight is it's to my understanding

that HMAC is not owned by just one

person it's three people now I don't

know the dynamic there but what I can

tell you is the 15 years that I've been

attending this venue and doing my own

musical business at this venue and

performing there. I've only ever met one

man. That man is Chris Wernern right

there.

That man has one of the biggest hearts

I've ever seen. That man cares. The

other two guys, I can't even tell you

their names. I've never met them. They

don't care, you know. But one guy who

does is that man right there. If there's

some kind of way to make something

happen, we got to do it, man. We got to

try something. This is something that

the community really needs. You know,

Harrisburg's dying. Look at all these

buildings everywhere.

We can't let this happen, you know.

Thank you.

Thank you. Is there anyone else in the

middle section that would like to offer

a public comment?

>> Hello, my name is Ashley Deetsz. Um, I

actually live in Lebanon now. I used to

live in Harrisburg on and off. Um,

obviously I'm here for one purpose and

one purpose only. And obviously it's for

AIDS MAC. Um, I'm not going to lie, I've

been raped, held hostage numerous of

times here in Harrisburg. I had FBI

involved. I had FBI legit knock on the

door and threaten to lock me up because

they thought it was a fake hostage

situation. Um, I'm not going to lie.

Each and every single time that I went

to ADMAC

was to relieve myself to know that I

belonged somewhere that was more of a

second home to where numerous of us,

thousands and millions of us actually

come back to Harrisburg because of

Acemack. If it wasn't for Acemack, I

would not be coming to Harrisburg. I

actually came here last week to show my

support to Chris and his family that was

there. I'm not going to lie, every

single day is on my mind. Ace Mac this

Ace Mac can't go. Ace Mac, you know. Um

I'm actually friends with numerous of

brands locally to Harrisburg, locally to

Lebanon, locally to Elizabeth Town. We

actually have a national band in

Elizabeth Town that loves Chris. I'm not

gonna lie. Chris knows exactly who I'm

talking about. And I'm here representing

them for you. They reached out to me to

let you know they love you. For you. If

it wasn't for you,

they wouldn't know where they're at

today. I'm not going to lie. There's

another band down here that's physically

from Harrisburg

and they reached out to me to let you

guys know this is their home just like

it's our home and we will be super

devastated. This is another abandoned

building that Chris built from the

ground back up. So, we thank you guys

and we hope to God you guys reconsider

and make a plan to work with Chris.

I guarantee he will work with you. Thank

you.

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else in the

middle section that would like to offer

public comment?

>> Good evening. My name is uh Jeff

Mitchell. I live in Mechanicsburg. I'm a

local uh artist and art educator. I'm

also a frequent patron uh and performer

at HMAC. And one thing that hasn't been

brought up tonight that I would like to

just address quickly is uh HMAC is a

vital part of our community and in terms

of them uh providing a safe space has

been talked about but they've also been

very generous in giving back to the

community. I am also part of the um

Pride Festival of Central Pennsylvania

organization and they have uh generously

donated the space of HMAC and operating

costs for several of our um big

celebration events and fundraising

events. So, I want to um acknowledge

that and uh let you know how much I

appreciate them in our community for how

well they welcome and embrace the entire

diversity of the Harrisburg area. And I

too want to add my name to the list of

uh hopeful people that want this to be

worked out and resolved so that HMAC can

stay open. Thank you.

Thank you. Is there anyone else in the

middle section that would like to offer

public comment?

Okay, seeing hearing no one, anyone to

my left.

I'll keep it under two minutes.

Bossier Vincent uh 315 South Front

Street.

Again, I want to thank everybody for the

discussion tonight. Um just really want

to focus on encouraging how we move

forward and taking some next step steps

um and just passing some recommendations

on. I actually emailed these to

Councilman Lawson. Um but making sure

that we actually have uh concrete steps

to move forward on any type of plan and

action. Um, one of the things that I

strongly suggest, especially around bill

one of 2026, is making sure those

elements are um, potentially initiated

as minor amendments to the comprehensive

plan. Not just bill one, but even both

issues that are talked about today.

Making sure that we're utilizing the

tools of city government to hold uh, the

next business administrator accountable,

uh, our econ our next economic

development director. And part of that

is having clear concrete goals that are

listed in that plan. Um so you tie those

goals um right into the city's vision

for inclusive public services, equitable

access and opportunity and trust in

government. These things will help tie

with the goals of becoming a welcoming

city. Um clarifying how limiting local

involvement um supports broader quality

of life goals that are already laid out

in the comprehensive plan. Um, this

allows it just not to be the bill, but

integrated in the living document that

is the comprehensive plan. Capturing

action steps in the integration um

section that hasn't been reviewed. We

should be reviewing that um on a yearly

basis. So, making sure that we're

reinforcing that planning framework that

maps our community values. So, um,

taking all of the energy that everybody

is having and making sure that we're

taking steps that can be continued and

followed up on. Um, it helps both, uh,

council and staff operationalize the

goals rather than just treating these

different things as standalone documents

or standalone bills. um signaling

signaling um to the immigrant

communities and stakeholders uh that it

ties into Harrisburg's long-term vision

of equity inclusion which is already

listed um in that plan. So it could be a

trigger uh for coordinated plan and for

coordinating official um plan

implementation and performance

evaluations. Um that way again we can

hold not just this city council but

everybody down the line. So, your

business administrator, your mayor, and

then you can actually then utilize those

uh documents to put pressure on your um

to your police commissioner and

everybody up who will be affected by

these uh potential bills and

legislations.

That's all. Thank you.

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else to my

left that would like to offer public

comment?

Good evening, council. Uh Pamela Parson,

Allison Hill. Um these are dark times in

many ways and there's no really no

neutrality right now,

but there is light.

this area. Earlier, Alice Schwab talked

about 250th anniversary of the founding

of our country and she talked about the

Suscoana River and that river was

flowing long before we were here and it

will flow long after we are gone and it

was the

traditional hunting grounds for the

Knesogga and Sescuana people and those

people were nearly massacred. occurred

by the Paxton boys out here on Dair

Street is where they were together. And

this was part of the pamphlet wars

before our country became a country. But

despite that attempt at massacre,

those people survived.

In 1850, when we have the fugitive slave

law and black people were snatched off

the street in this city, the black

community survived.

And in 1969, in February of 1969,

400 students at John Harris walked out.

two days, three days later, they were

joined by 300 students,

black students and allies at William

Penn and they walked out and the

students at John Harris walked out of

class in solidarity, but they stayed

there and those students brought forth a

lot of conversation about what is was

happening in Harrisburg around race

relations. Just like now we have

students who have been out front of city

hall for the last three four council

meetings who are also setting the

conversation for us.

And I say this to you um as the daughter

of as the great great granddaughter of a

man who fought in the Civil War and who

was a P He was from Lebanon County,

which was at that time was from Paul

Myra. That was still part of Dolphin

County.

My two uncles

fought great anti-fascists. They fought

in the Second World War. One was a

driver for Patton at the Battle of the

Bulge and the other was in the Pacific

laying laying lines, phone lines.

My father and my uncle were Korean War

veterans.

So, I come from a long line of

anti-fascists. So, I'm looking to you,

the elected officials of the city of

Harrisburg, to remember that there is

light and we can take care of everyone.

Thank you.

Thank you. Is there anyone else to my

left that would like to offer public

comment?

>> Hi. Uh, my name is Keith Bence and I'm

from Allison Hill as well.

I have come inside to let you know that

we have had our first visit of ice out

front.

Let it sink in.

I have um

been down on Derry Street last week

and witnessed Harrisburg police officers

in conjunction with an individual in

unmarked uniform

all of drag.

Okay. didn't look like any of our people

who do wear all of occasionally,

so beware.

Thank you. Your flashlight on your cell

phone is on.

>> Oh, okay. That's okay. Just want to let

you know. Is there anyone else to my

left that would like to offer public

comment?

Hello. Um, my my name is Akira Louisa

Solomon Nelson. Um, I go to school at

Cassa in Strawberry Square. Um, I'm

speaking on behalf of Students Against

Injustice. I I wasn't going to speak

tonight. I was just going to come. But

um after seeing everyone come up and uh

set a great example on how we can work

together to make things happen and make

changes happen in our community, um I

just wanted to come up and just give my

opinion again like I have been like you

guys have known for the past uh few

weeks. Students in Harrisburg are very

scared of ice. Students in Harrisburg

are terrified of ice. I know people that

are scared to go to school. I know

people that aren't going to school. I

know people that um have al alternative

rides to school than their parents

because they don't want to bring their

parents out um into Harrisburg like

that. Um it's disheartening and it just

shows that we as a community do not have

it together. Um I can repeat what

everyone has been saying, but I won't.

I'm just going to tell you to please

trust us. Please listen to us. Um, and I

also

just wanted to say that um, I am proud

of the time that I have been uh, sitting

on these city council meetings. They

usually run very peaceful. Um, maybe I

missed something because I usually don't

stay to the end. Um, but I don't know if

I'm allowed to do this, but today I'm

very disappointed on how this went. Um

when I first walked in uh and we did the

pledge of allegiance, I heard someone

say foreigners behind me. Um referring

to I guess the people that didn't stand

up. Um it was completely disrespectful

and um I don't understand why people

just haven't gotten into their brain

that we are all human. We are all one.

Um I'm a student. I'm a teenager. I

think that no grown man should be

talking to anybody that way.

Nevertheless, a teenage girl that way.

Um, and I wish that in the future

everyone on every side can have more

respect for each other. Um, that's all.

Thank you very much.

>> Can you please state your address or the

vicinity in which you live just for our

meeting record?

>> I live um on Fishing Creek Valley right

outside of Harrisburg, but I go to

school in Harrisburg. Thank you.

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else to my

left that would like to offer public

comment?

Okay.

Seeing and hearing no one, we will move

forward with our meeting agenda.

Actually, before we continue with our

agenda, I would like to take some

privilege and move to old business. Um,

given some of the public comments that

were made, I would like to invite Mr.

Mike Hughes, um, tax and enforcement

administrator for the city of

Harrisburg, um, to briefly discuss the

amusement tax.

Uh, good evening, city council. Uh, Mike

Hughes,

>> tax administrator, longtime city

resident, longtime city employee, Uptown

Harrisburg.

Uh, before I start, I just do want to

provide one clarification.

Burger Yum is still open, 400 North

Second Street, everyone. Thank you.

Thank you. But Burger

is

>> has closed. Correct. Correct.

>> Correct. Which which leads me as a segue

to the topic facts, not Facebook.

So, we're going to talk about the facts

and not just what we read on a Facebook

page without obtaining the true

information.

So, let's start with the amusement tax

rate. 10% combined,

5% goes to the city, 5% goes to the

school district. We collect for the

school district. We remit that portion

to them. This tax is a transitional tax

similar to sales tax. It's not on the

venue. It's on the patron. The person

coming to the door, the person

purchasing the ticket, they are paying

this tax. The venue is charged with

remitting the tax. Just like a sales

tax, just like any other type of

withholding tax, it has to be remitted

because it was taken from the patron or

the taxpayer. So that's the truth on on

that particular issue.

I would also like to just let people

know,

spend some time, do the research before

you speak on the topic like what

happened at last week's city council

meeting. There are public places you can

go. Check the Dolphin County website.

Check the PLCB liquor license status

site. This is public information. You

you can find some interesting things

there. Don't go by just what you've read

in an article. you're seeing many

numbers thrown out there in different

media posts.

Probably probably not the right numbers.

So,

you shouldn't believe what you're

reading either. We can't talk about

specific tax numbers. That's between us

and the and the taxpayer themselves.

Um

people were talking about the number of

businesses closure.

Businesses are closing everywhere. It's

a nationwide problem.

Carisper, we do have our own unique

challenges, but if you read and and

check social media, there's businesses

closing every day. This week alone,

World Cafe in Philadelphia,

closed for serious tax violations.

They've been there a long time. For

Monty Brothers just came out yesterday,

these are chain restaurants closing.

Duck Donuts, Hulahans, Grateful Goat. I

mean, the list goes on on and on. And

they're not citybased. It's happening

everywhere. So, let's not just say it's

just Harrisburg.

We're enrolling new businesses every day

and we're losing business. That's true,

but

it's not just a Harrisburg thing. That

That's what we need to be clear on.

Um, this morning an article came out on

pen live. Where did HMAX money go?

It's a very good question. Um,

I don't hear anyone giving that answer.

They should be asking is the current

business model sustainable?

That that should be the question. So I

would also like to point out there's

other venues, other places, other

outlets within the city. We have Club

XL, the new Capitol City Music Hall,

Whitaker Center, the Forum, the Farm

Show Complex, Zebo, Scottish Wright.

These are all venues that that hold

shows and concerts. We also have theater

options. We have the Hack Rose Laram. We

have the Kresy theory. We have open

stage. We have the improv. So there are

successful businesses out there. I think

people really need to look at the whole

picture and paint it not just on one

thing that they read, but check out all

the items involved. Check out past

filings. I mean, there's there's a

picture here. It's not just one item

that that you're uh talking about here.

So,

um

I I don't I never met Chris. Sounds like

a nice man. And we've heard lots of

great stories tonight. I don't want to

take that away from anyone. Um

but we've been dealing with John Trainer

for many years, many conversations.

And the last couple years, we've we've

been in contact with John many times.

And we've had many conversations. Many

promises were made. None were kept.

Um,

I think that's all I have to say about

this right now. So,

>> no, thank you. I appreciate uh that

clarity. So, thank you uh for your

participation this evening.

>> Thank you. We will move forward with our

meeting agenda. Next, we have the

approval of the minutes for the

legislative session that occurred on

February 10th, 2026. Council members,

are there any revisions to those meeting

minutes?

Okay, seeing and hearing none, the

minutes stand approved. Next, we have

the reports of committees. Um, as I

mentioned during our caucus, um, we have

one sole committee report this evening

that will be delivered by our public

safety chair, Councilwoman Green, on the

work session of February 17th, 2026.

>> Thank you, President Hill. I'll try to

keep it brief uh but also make sure I

summarize the sentiments of everyone.

During the work session of February

17th, the public safety committee met to

discuss bill 1 of 2026, an ordinance

amending part three of the

administrative code under chapter 2-301,

adding there to chapter 2-301,

period 16, providing for a framework to

restrict and otherwise limit city

intervention in matters regarding

immigration status. There was an

enormous showing from the public to

discuss this bill. Most residents and

members of the public came out to

support the legislation, but noted that

they would like it to be stronger and to

protect the residents of Harrisburg and

everyone who frequents our city. We did

have at least one resident who did not

seem to support this bill. City council

members spoke in support of the

resolution, but were interested in

hearing from the public. Council members

noted that the there will be more

opportunities uh to amend the bill, such

as tonight, and make it more consistent

with the sentiments of the residents

that they had expressed. I will note

that the legislation does state no city

official or employee shall use city

funds, personnel, equipment, data,

technology, property, or facilities to

assist in the investigation, detention,

or arrest of any person solely related

to a violation of federal civil

immigration law. Um, just because it was

a comment tonight about uh the 278G

agreements. Uh, and this in essence

would ban any agreement with ICE or

federal civil immigration enforcement.

Um, but after listening and hearing from

everyone who came out, who emailed and

called, um, I will be offering some

amendments to this bill tonight. And I

will ask my colleagues to support this

resolution and its potential amendments.

Thank you.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Green.

We have three ordinances for first

reading. Bill 2 of 2026. Mr. Humphrey,

could you please read it into the

record?

Bill two of 2026, an ordinance for

giving and discharging 2024 and 2025

city real estate taxes, including

interest, penalties, and costs, and

striking off tax leans for certain

historically taxexempt properties.

>> Thank you. Bill 2 of 2026 will move to

the administration committee. Next, we

have Bill 3 of 2026. Mr. Humphrey, could

you please read it into the record? Bill

3 of 2026, an ordinance amending chapter

2-301 of part three of the

administrative code regarding

departments heads, appointment and

duties and acting heads to update and

clarify provisions regarding such

appointments.

>> Thank you. Bill 3 of 2026 will also move

to the administration committee. Our

final ordinance for first reading is

bill four of 2026. Mr. Humphrey, could

you please read it into the record? Bill

4 of 2026, an ordinance amending chapter

9-301 of Title 9 of the Harrisburg City

Code regarding the municipal waste,

recycling, and composting code to

authorize the identification and

designation of business establishments

for the placement of city designated

litter receptacles, hotspot cans outside

public exits, consistent with the

findings of the Pennsylvania Litter

Action Plan.

>> Thank you. Bill 4 of 2026 will move to

the public works committee.

We will now move to ordinances for

amendment. We have bill 1 of 2026. Mr.

Humphrey, could you please read it into

the record? Bill 1 of 2026, an ordinance

amending part three of the

administrative code under chapter 2-301,

adding there to chapter 2-301.16

providing for a framework to restrict

and otherwise limit city intervention in

matters regarding immigration status.

>> Thank you.

I will defer to Councilwoman Green. She

mentioned she has some amendments to

bill one of 2026.

Thank you, President Hill. Um, the first

amendment I would like to offer is I

would like to offer an amendment uh to

add that all applications,

questionnaires, and interview forms used

in relation to city benefits,

opportunities, or services shall be

promptly reviewed by the pertinent city

office, department, and bureau. And that

any questions regarding citizenship or

immigration status other than those

required by ordinance, court order, or

state or federal law shall be deleted

within 60 days of the adoption of this

chapter.

Thank you. Is there a second? I second

that. Thank you. I'll entertain a motion

to suspend the rules for discussion.

>> Motion.

>> Is there a second?

>> Second.

>> Thank you.

Before

us, we have the first amendment to Bill

1 of 2026. Are there any questions,

comments, or concerns related to

amendment one? Uh, I'll just kind of

say, um, I'm offering this amendment,

uh, to kind of limit the data

collection. Um, I think that it's it's

best kind of not to even put our

employees in the situation of having the

information. That way, someone can't ask

them for it and they're not put in like

kind of that that crosshair of uh, now

being asked to give information that

they have and now they have to kind of

be caught in the middle and go back

against whether it's a federal

immigration officer or someone. And so I

think just not having the information

available because it's if it's not

something we need on file then it's not

really a need for us to collect it. I

don't think that there are many um

applications or interview questions or

anything that the city uses at this time

but just kind of to make sure that if

there are that we go ahead and get those

removed.

>> Thank you. Are there any any other

questions, comments or concerns related

to amendment one?

>> Okay, seeing hearing none, I will

entertain a motion to resume our

legislative session. No move.

>> Is there a second?

>> Thank you. So before us we have

amendment number one.

>> Do you mind reading it again? I'm not

sure Mr. Humphrey captured it.

>> I've read it slow the first time

>> for reference.

>> But um I would like to add that all

applications, questionnaires, and

interview forms used in relation to city

benefits, opportunities, or services

shall be promptly reviewed by the

pertinent city office, department, and

bureau. Any questions regarding

citizenship or immigration status other

than those required by ordinance, court

order, or state or federal law shall be

deleted within 60 days of the adoption

of this chapter.

>> I can send it to you.

>> Thank you. Is there a second?

>> Second that.

>> Thank you. Uh council members, are there

any final questions, comments, or

concerns related to amendment number

one?

>> Okay, seeing and hearing none, Mr.

Humphre, could you please call the vote?

>> Miss Davis? Yes,

>> Miss Green.

>> Yes,

>> Mr. Jones.

>> Mr. Lawson.

>> Yes,

>> Miss RWS.

>> Yes,

>> Mr. Rodriguez.

>> Yes,

>> Miss Hill.

>> Yes.

>> Amendment one passes by a vote of six

yays, zero nays.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Green. Um, I

would like to offer a second amendment

that is similar to the first, but it's

kind of a little more overarching, uh,

just in case information will be

stumbled upon accidentally. Uh, but it

says the city shall not retain

information related to an individual's

citizenship or immigration status unless

required to do so by state or federal

law or court order.

>> Thank you, council members. Is there a

second?

>> I second that.

>> Thank you. I'll suspend the rule or

excuse me, I will entertain a motion to

suspend the rules for discussion.

>> No move.

>> Is there a second?

>> Second.

>> Thank you.

>> Councilwoman Green, do you have any

other comments?

>> No, I think I kind of explained it.

>> Okay. Are there any questions regarding

amendment two?

Okay. Seeing hearing none, I'll

entertain a motion to resume our

legislative session.

>> So move.

>> Is there a second?

>> Second. Thank you. So before us, we have

amendment number two. Would you mind

reading it again?

>> The city shall not Yeah. The city shall

not retain information related to an

individual's citizenship or im

immigration status unless required to do

so by state or federal law or court

order.

>> Thank you. Is there a second?

>> Second.

>> Thank you. So before us we have

amendment number two. Council members,

are there any final questions, comments,

or concerns?

>> Yes, I have a question. President Hill.

>> Yes.

>> I was going to ask uh Mr. Grover. Um, on

the applications when anyone applies for

employment, is that a question whether

they're a citizen?

>> Every application under federal law has

to fill out an I9 form

>> which which regards your immigration

status.

>> Okay.

>> So, that is a it's a mandatory

>> it's mandatory that

>> for all employers.

>> Got it. I thought so. Yeah. But that's

why it says in here unless required by

law. So that that covers that.

>> And and those go into personnel files

which are not public documents in any

way. They don't they're not releasable

uh without a subpoena.

>> Okay.

>> Which is also part of what your your

amendments are saying. If don't just

willingly give up this information

because what you're seeing on paper

unless by law that's

>> Yes. I think that's the sentiment of

this entire bill.

Are there any other questions?

>> It's just a little confusing because you

said it's mandatory. So, how do we get

around that?

>> No. No. Mandatory the amendment says we

don't do it unless required to do it by

law.

>> So, okay. So, we keep it by law because

we have to and that's consistent with

that language. Um, but we're not in any

other forms. The idea is not to be

retaining that information, right,

>> in like a grant application or in

something else like that.

>> Okay.

>> Um things like that.

>> I just wanted to

be clear on that. Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> Any other questions?

Okay. Seeing and hearing none, I'll

entertain a motion to resume our

legislative session.

>> So moved.

>> Is there a second?

>> Second.

>> Thank you. So before us, we have

amendment number two. Um, council

members, are there any final questions,

comments, or concerns relating to

amendment number two? Okay, seeing

hearing none, Mr. Humphrey, could you

please call the vote?

>> Miss Davis,

>> yes.

>> Miss Green,

>> yes.

>> Mr. Jones.

Mr. Lawson,

>> yes.

>> Miss RWS,

>> yes. Sorry,

>> Mr. Rodriguez. Yes, Miss Hill.

>> Yes.

>> Amendment two passes by a vote of six to

zero naz.

>> Thank you. Do you have any more,

Councilwoman Green?

>> Yes, I do have one final one.

>> Okay. Um, and this one says, um, so I

would like to make a motion, uh, to add

that officials or employees of the city

shall not initiate an investigation or

take law enforcement action solely on

the basis of actual or perceived

citizenship or immigration status,

including but not limited to the initi

initiation of a stop, apprehension,

arrest, or any other contacts.

>> Thank you. Is there a second?

>> Uh, second.

>> Thank you. Um, I will entertain a motion

to suspend for discussion. Thank you. Is

there a second?

>> Second.

>> Thank you. So, before us, we have

amendment number three. Are there any

questions?

>> Yes, madame president. Um, and this may

be a solicitor question. I'd like to see

if we could amend the current amendment

on the floor by adding some teeth to

maybe something by way of if the

individuals are let's say I don't want

to say caught but seen doing these um

certain things there needs to be some

type of subpoena process or they may

have to come in front of council or some

kind of just do if they are seen

violating this amendment.

How would that be worded or how can we

come to that conclusion this way there's

some teeth to it not only for the

citizens the residents the city but you

know if if if an individual knows

there's some teeth to it and I may be

punishable by committing this act I may

be more reluctant to do it

>> I understand what you're saying sir um

there's a couple different procedural

ways to do it okay

>> one is you can ask the moving member if

they were they will accept an amendment

to their motion

>> the other is to just let this motion

through and then simply make a separate

motion, okay, to add to the code. Um, I

will say it now because I was going to

say it when they were done with

amendments. There's going to have to be

another motion to authorize the law

bureau and the city clerk's office to

reumber and reorganize the uh what's

there now. Okay.

>> So, just figuring out where logically

this goes. It's going to take a few

minutes to figure that out.

>> Okay.

>> Councilwoman Green, should we just do

that as a separate amendment?

>> Yes, we do it as a separate amendment.

>> Yep. All right. We'll do that. So, I'll

withdraw the amendment on the floor or

the proposed. Thank you. Thank you. Um,

okay. Are there any other questions on

amendment number three? Okay, seeing and

hearing none, I will entertain a motion

to resume our legislative session.

>> So moved.

>> Is there a second?

>> Second.

>> Thank you. So before us, we have

amendment number three. Councilwoman

Green, could you read it one more time,

please?

Amendment number three states that

officials or employees of the city shall

not invest in initiate an investigation

or take law enforcement action solely on

the basis of actual or perceived

citizenship or immigration status

including but not limited to the

initiation of a stop apprehension arrest

or field contact.

>> Thank you council members. Are there any

final questions, comments or concerns

related to amendment number three? Okay,

seeing hearing none, Mr. Mr. Humphrey,

could you please call the vote?

>> Miss Davis?

>> Yes.

>> Miss Green?

>> Yes.

>> Mr. Jones.

>> Mr. Lawson?

>> Yes.

>> Miss RWS?

>> Yes.

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

>> Yes.

>> Miss Hill?

>> Yes.

>> Amendment three passes by a vote of six

yays to zero naz.

>> Thank you. Are there any other

amendments? Councilwoman Ross? Yes, I do

have a few amendments to bill number one

of 2026.

Um,

I wanted to move to amend on

page five, line 90,

um, section 2-301,

um, 164, strike the word solely, and

just have it say, um,

no city official employee shall use city

funds, personal

equipment, data, technology, property,

or facilities to assist in the

investigation, detention, or arrest of

any person related to a violation of

federal or civil immigration law. So, I

just wanted to strike the word solely.

>> Thank you. Is there a second?

>> Second.

>> Thank you. I'll entertain a motion to

suspend the rules for discussion. Is

there a second?

>> Second.

>> Thank you. So, before us, we have

amendment number four. Um, make sure I

got it right. Page five, line 90. Yes.

Section 2-301. And we are striking the

word solely.

>> Are there any questions

on amendment number four?

Okay. Seeing hearing none, I'll

entertain a motion to resume our

legislative session.

>> So move.

>> Is there a second?

>> Second.

>> Thank you. Um,

Councilwoman Ross, would you mind

restating your amendment because um,

>> did we have a second?

>> Yes.

>> Okay.

>> Okay.

>> I will restate it. I won't read the

whole thing as I did, but I'll restate

exactly what I want to strike. I want to

strike on page five, line 90 in section

2-301,

strike the word solely.

>> Thank you. Is there a second?

Second.

>> Thank you. Just wanted to make sure. Um,

council members, are there any final

questions, comments, or concerns related

to amendment number four?

>> Hey, seeing and hearing none, Mr.

Humphrey, could you please call the

vote?

>> Miss Davis,

>> yes.

>> Miss Green,

>> yes.

>> Mr. Jones,

>> yay.

>> Mr. Lawson,

>> yes.

>> Miss RWS,

>> yes.

>> Mr. Rodriguez,

>> yes.

>> Miss Hill,

>> yes. Amendment four passes by a vote of

seven yays to zero nays.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Ross.

>> Thank you. Yes, I just have two more

also on page five but in section um

uh 2-30167

I wanted to strike the subsection C that

says restrict any provision of 8 USC uh

1373 which restricts and otherwise

governs the sharing of information. Um,

so I wanted to strike subsection C in

its entirety which references title 8 of

the United States Code section 1373.

>> Thank you. Is there a second?

>> Second that.

>> Thank you. Um, I would entertain a

motion to suspend the rules for

discussion.

>> So move.

>> Is there a second?

>> Thank you. Um, before us we have

amendment number five.

>> Um, hope let me make sure I got it

right. This is on page 5, section 2-301.

Um, and we are striking subsection C in

its entirety.

>> Yes.

>> Okay. Are there any questions regarding

amendment number five?

>> Could you just explain um the section a

little more and why why you're choosing

to strike it? I believe it's the entire

section about federal immigration

enforcement in its entirety. So, if you

could just explain a little bit more. Uh

so when I was speaking with um a member

of CASA um it was just it was

unnecessary

in um its entirety of that just that

portion cuz everything else was um

already in engage with it. So they said