Harrisburg City Council Work and Legislative Session - December 9, 2024

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I would like to be mindful of everyone's

time this evening so I would like to

call our work session to order at 5:30

p.m. Mr trale could you please call the

role Miss

Daniels here Miss Davis present Miss

Green

Mr Jones

here miss rolls present Mr

Rodriguez Miss Bowers

present it looks like vice president

green is present online I'm not sure if

she can hear us but I did want to note

her

presence yes yes you hear me yes we can

hear you thank you

okay

so we don't have a long agenda for this

meeting and many of the resolutions are

recurring uh annual contracts or

agreements that the city embarks on

annually so to begin we'll begin with

the committee business of the

administration committee we have one

resolution for discussion that's

resolution 78 of

2024 Mr trusdale could you please read

it into the record resolution 78 2024 a

resolution authorizing the city of

Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a

Professional Services contract with

Steve Zimmerman to provide access and

service of the city's historical

Mainframe programming operations and

related services in the Bureau of

Information Technology thank you we're

joined by Mr Steve bortner

good evening good evening I'm Steve

bortner IT director for the city and

resolution 78 um is a resolution to

enter into a personal services agreement

between the city and Steve Zimmerman for

2025 uh it's similar to the agreements

we've had in place for many years now uh

the primary difference between 2024 and

2025 is that the amount is reduced from

135,000 to

120,000 um Steve provides a lot of the

day-to-day uh services on the Mainframe

activities that we perform um he

fulfills a lot of the right to no

requests that we receive from the law

Bureau and other departments and he's a

key resource for um any questions that

come up about historical data or

processes that exist on the main frame

we work on the migration to the munus

project so with that brief overview I'll

turn it back to you for any questions

thank you I just have one question and I

think I asked this annually as well um

how long do you think that we will uh

continue to H contract with Mr Zimmerman

given the

migration um Steve wants to retire

eventually again so um I'm hoping that

this will be the last one if not it will

be not much into 2026 but I know he

definitely wants to um get this over

with at some point so I'm hoping this

will be the last time I have to be in

front of you with this resolution okay

thank you I don't have any other

questions I will open the floor to

questions from my colleagues uh I'll

begin with councilwoman Daniels any

questions no already yes thank you thank

you uh councilwoman Davis any questions

president bers good evening Mr bordner

and um thank you for being here but I

don't have any questions thank you vice

president green any

questions thank you very much I don't

have any questions thank you

councilwoman Ross any questions uh thank

you um good evening Mr border thank you

for being here um I don't have any

questions thank you councilman Rodriguez

any

questions thank you madam president no

questions for me thank you councilman

Jones any questions I will keep the

trend up

no questions okay thank you very

much I move to add resolution 78 of 2024

to our next legislative session agenda

for a vote this concludes the business

of the administration committee next we

have the budget and finance committee I

will defer to our budget and finance

committee chair vice president green to

lead discussion

can you guys hear me

yes Mr chel could you read the

resolution please resolution 83 2024 a

resolution authorizing the city of

Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a

collection agreement with the Harrisburg

School District for the collection of

the business privilege and mertile tax

tax and the amusement tax for the 2025

tax

year thank you very much and who do we

have from the administration that will

be um giving us a synopsis uh yes good

evening uh city council Mike Hughes tax

administrator um as as Jared read into

record um this particular ordinance um

we've been collecting uh for the school

district for 23 years this will be the

24th year um and and uh there's no

changes to this year's contract um it's

the same as last

year so just recurring contract another

year and all right yep thanks

sure if you have any questions um surely

answer

those thank you very much uh I don't

have any questions it's the same

contract as we've been doing for uh

several years now

I'll open up to my colleagues for any

questions I'm going to start to what

would be my far left with councilman

Jones Thank You vice president greens um

I concur no

questions thank you councilman

Rodriguez Mr Hughes thank you for being

here um I have no questions thank

you thank you councilwoman Ross thank

you um good evening Mr Hughes thank you

for being here I don't have any

questions

either thank you very very much

president Bowers thank you good evening

I don't have any

questions thank you councilwoman David

thank you vice president green good

evening Mr Hughes I have a question or

two so um the city of Harrisburg has

been

collecting the business in mertile

taxes and was in agreement with the

school district in 2001 is that correct

I believe that that's the first year yes

the first year okay and amusement tax

also and the amusement tax so this is

ongoing every year okay so there aren't

any additional fees or um any taxes to

the

citizens right other than these two

items from the school district that we

collect at this point in time yes just

those two items okay so there aren't any

additional taxes or any fees that are

going to come up for the citizens not

from this particular ordinance okay

that's all I wanted to know thank

you thank you very much and councilwoman

Daniels any questions no

questions thank you um I don't have any

questions seeing no other questions um

as far as I can see uh I'm going to ask

this be moved to our next legislative

agenda later this evening

thank

you thank you thank you next we have the

community and economic development

committee I will defer to our community

and economic development chair

councilwoman

Daniels thank you um Mr Trel can you

read uh Bill 9 hyen 2024 into the record

please Bill 9 2024 an ordinance amending

chapter

5-53 tax abatement and exemptions of

Title Five licensing and Taxation code

to extend the matory termination date by

one year to December 31st

2025 think can who's here to speak on

behalf of the

administration good evening Council good

evening I do have a handout I sent this

um under separate cover when I sent the

legislation up to the law Bureau uh just

so you have background information

related to the

Lura um as you know the lur expires

sorry sorry so

um yeah if you don't mind um what I'd

like to ask is well introduce yourself

um if you could just give us a brief

summary of just the stats related to

Lura and if you want to spend some time

on a little bit of the history but I

think we're we are what if you want to

spend a little bit of time on the

history you can um I just don't want to

make the meeting run significantly long

so I'm Gloria Martin Roberts director of

Economic Development building and

housing for the city of

Harrisburg Jason and I am Jason Graves

uh also part of ecn now development on

behalf of the alert

administrator we're coming before you

and asking for a one-year extension on

the Lura the Lura expires January 3th

first of this year we want time to be

able to convene a commit committee that

would involve Council as well to talk

about the Lura whether the Lura has been

as successful as we want it to be over

the last 10 years but we want to bring

um people together who have in invested

in the city um people who are developers

in the city council and some other

entities to discuss the school district

dolphin County and the city to talk

about our Lura how effective we think

it's been but how we can improve upon

it so we need a year to just have that

meeting to be able to give us some time

to come up with a better lur program so

can you give us some stats how many

applications have we received how many

are approved how many denied how many

are in the middle of it

Jason all right so this was a breakdown

from 20 21 to 24 and also I believe it's

a breakdown from 15 which would lered

started alerted within 14 to current now

so as of now um near the date this was

uh I think this data was pulled probably

about a month or so ago uh we had 420 C

26 non applicants meaning they would

have been eligible for lerta due to the

threshold of what their actual projects

were um the county goes off

$50,000 so it's between $40 to $50,000

per threshold so this was the eligible

amount that could have applied those

have had submitted applications through

our data through the city of Harrisburg

have been

43 so so 40 426 would have been eligible

and 43 who submitted their application

that's from 21 to 24 okay and so 43 who

submitted applications yes so right now

um total properties from 2015 to 2023 or

are 66 properties actually in the actual

program from that from from 15 to

23 said 53 666 from 15 to I'm sorry 53

from 15 to 23 2015 to

2023 with total abatements um around

$5.3

million recently enrolled from 21 to 24

you have 29 properties with the total

abatement of

2.5 and the 27 properties that have 100%

abatement there are two properties that

are 50% mean they at full

commercial any any other I know what

other stats would you like to know okay

um and so the ones from 2015 going

forward those have they're completely

done with the project yes they should be

so I didn't pull all those exact dates I

have them actually on another file so

that have been it have been very long

for I to put all those dates for each

specific one um so this from 2014 is

when the actual Inception of the the

alert of prior to that we're in right

now that's about to sunset on uh

December 31st um this one I would say

there has not we went over this a few

times we had this conversation with all

us before um there needs to be a revised

piece and that's going to have to come

between all entities to figure out

what's going to be best to actually

benefit the city the county school

district and also with the city as well

so that's where it's going to that's

where it's going to be a big play at so

going forward

um it's just the marketing piece of it

to actually get more developers to come

to be more participant in this had more

participation in this um to also get the

data as far as like the minority

participation and also just the

participation period to actually get

more bus Builders so

from 21 to

24 right now there are and I think I'm

missing one you have that have been held

they're may be on the timeline and

looking to get approval 14 projects

right

now and that's not in any specific

order so those are 14 full construction

projects um mostly dealing with

residential uh some dealing with

affordable housing

so we need to technically get that

number up so a lot of one thing that's

in that number as far as with the 66 it

seems it could be high if you put it

like in a smaller time frame but we do a

lot of Renovations so there are a lot of

people that apply for renovations for

lur because they meet a threshold over40

to $50,000 so that does not mean it's

new construction so as of right now from

again 21 to 24 we we are on schedule

hopefully with some of these being um on

hold some of them on time some of be

moved right now is 14 projects that are

full that are full brand new

construction okay so um So currently in

the program how many properties Al

together in the program Al together

right now right

now

2 I would have to get you the exact

number for 24 because of how how I got

the data Rand I did a threeyear and I

did it through a 10e so that's what the

66 is from 15 to 23 and I have 21 to 24

but I have to get the exact number out

of that 29 for just this year for

24 if that makes

sense I'll say it again yeah so 60 there

are 66 total properties from 15 to from

2015 to

2023 you you have 29 properties that are

in the program from 21 to 24 which still

adds into that 23 I have to get the

exact number for the 24 I guess I just

want to know which ones are still in the

abatement program I don't want you to I

don't don't include the ones that are

their term ended and so just the ones

that are still kind of active the total

amount I would have to get that number

too because some of them are on a

partial everyone not everyone is not a

full so from um usually if you're

looking at the 15 they start it doesn't

kick into a year later so probably about

almost 90% of these would probably be up

coming this year in 2024 if you go by

the time frame of 15 but you have to go

from 16 17 we apply through that time

frame so I didn't I made the I can get

you the actual data I made it kind of

short because I didn't want to keep it

long winded so I just gave you the

actual full numbers okay okay um okay

well I think that's it for me I'll open

up uh the questioning from my colleagues

I'll start um on the far left at Mr

Jones Thank You councilwoman Daniels um

simple to me um you just asking for

extension no language is changing

everything is going to remain the same

just want it from 24 to 25 no further

questions thank you um councilman

Rodriguez um my questions were geared

towards how many participants in the lur

program and that was so no further

questions for

me uh councilen

RS uh good evening to you both thank you

for being here to give more information

on um the lurer program and how you

would like a extension I agree that um

going back and reflecting I think that

that's great to see how you can make the

program better uh I know a lot of

residents didn't even know it existed so

to go back and reflect and say okay how

can we Market it different how can we

include all the um townships and the um

the district and the county and actually

make it profitable for all of us um is

great and definitely making more

residential homes I think that's a big

thing a lot of people want to move back

into Harrisburg but they're looking for

where am I going to go um so getting

more residential space would be great so

thank you you're welcome no questions

for me uh president Bowers thank you I

don't have any questions thank you for

the data I think that's always helpful

and reflect colting and I think from a

previous meeting we all know um that

there's some work to be done here right

to revise because um what I learned in

my role as building and housing

committee chair is many residents didn't

understand that the Lura began when they

moved in or no the Lura began when the

building or home was built not when they

moved in and that was where um we had to

clarify and there is a gray area and

then there was some miscommunication

between the city and the county as a

result so it's it's um it begins when

the home is built and that's that so

yeah that's one thing that I did do like

when I first started we I had to

actually set a meeting with the county

so we can actually be on the same page

and it's sad to hear him say that Steve

zmer wants to retire CU that's my buddy

cuz he's the one who actually pulls my

data for me so yeah so we actually made

that connection so we actually have an

ongoing report that goes to them every

month so that's and it is confusing when

it comes to the residents because it

doesn't it doesn't extend so that's

where that where confusion goes so when

you have it it's set and then after that

time frame over it's done exactly so

then we had to go back uh with the

county and review so that would be my

only caveat in all of this but I'm glad

to um know and that everyone is aware

that some some revision should occur so

thank you you're welcome uh vice

president

green um thank you very much I don't

really have many questions um I look

forward to seeing us put work into this

program uh to make it better for the

residents um I know this is a program

that is in conjunction with the school

district in the county as well um have

we spoken to them are they on board with

extending it a year I've spoken with the

county um I haven't really spoken with

anyone from the school district as far

as the um what what they what their

thoughts on or is it yet because I know

they have a lot of moving around do

because they got to do superintendent so

they're actually trying to get some

other stuff done but I've actually

spoken to a couple people at the county

about that it's just trying to be on the

same page and see if it's going to work

for all three

parties okay um and so we'd be the first

entity voting on this if we voted on it

um tonight yes corre

all right I don't have any further

questions then thank you thank you uh

councilwoman Davis thank you

councilwoman Daniels I don't have any

questions I just want to say that it's

always good to revitalize our

neighborhood um we on a good track with

that and so in terms of continuing I

encourage this um program and it's going

to promote long-term affordability so

that's always a good thing yes so for

the residents so thank you that's it

thank you so um for us uh in terms of

this build if if it if it weren't to be

renewed the applicants were currently in

the pipeline they would be grandfathered

in right yes okay so anything that's

coming in for this year they who have

applied for for this year yes okay um so

um does anybody have any other questions

or

comments anything um Miss Roberts or um

Mr Graves did you'd like just that we're

going to be looking at everything that's

in the current sort of to make sure we

cover like even minority participation

because we have no data on that right

now so data is a is a big issue at least

for me and um we want to be able to

report accurately how the Lura really um

helps all people in our community so um

that's one of the issues that we'll be

discussing in committee and uh uh

president BS I'll be sending you a an

email asking you to

assign uh whoever you elect to sign to

the

committee okay so let's add this to the

next legislative session I will be

voting against renewing because there is

a lot of work that needs to be done and

we do need a Partnerships and it does

need to be revamped and they economic

environment we're in it's significantly

different from the one we were in in

2015 so giving us this time uh

to to work a better bill I think is more

valuable than just simply extending

something that's kind of you know

halfway working border working um and

since current applicants wouldn't be

adversely affected I think that's the

most the only thing only comment I would

have for that because we do have a

couple projects that are actually

getting to start

progress like soon so it would affect

them as well because they were

participating on filling out alera so

you still have they still have to go

through the important deeds and so forth

with but there would be grandfather then

right no because there that's I'm saying

there are a few that are actually one of

them is actually in the room right now

so there are a few right now that are

actually going to be in the pipeline

within the next like three months so

that may that's going to that would

affect them as well because they were

anticipating him actually filling out

alerta for those programs for those proc

those are going to be new constructions

okay can La buo give us some

clarification here yes actually it's the

building permit that triggers it so

that's why he's saying they would be

affected so it's everything's conent on

the building permit so they still have

to go through what they're doing before

they can actually apply for a building

permits through up the par but right now

this build this so the ones that are in

right now they're already in

construction for this year but there are

going to be several other ones that are

going to be coming up within the next

probably like first quarter actually

going to be applying for building

permits they were they going to be

affected by this they were the ones that

were actually like vable about this yeah

but this ordinance would have expired at

the end of this year anyway so anyone

who's doing this I can't imagine was

gambling

on an an extension things get held up

because you have some projects that

should have probably been started early

in the year or may have last year right

but what I'm saying is if someone is

starting a construction project I don't

think they're doing it gambling on a

resolution that

expires well not necessarily so they may

not even realize that the Lura is

expiring some of them so that's not but

then that's their oversight that's not

ours so if you consider the Land

Development plans the council has

approved there's these batches of them

right every private sector one that was

approved ahead of Co

all the ones for the Capital Heights

projects the ones for uh the project up

on um Riley Street projects the two of

them and others all them that are

private sector those plans are approved

quite a while ago conditions were put on

them for things like have your storm

water management stuff done first they

can't come in for a building permit and

get the plan signed until all of those

steps are done um and so there's there's

lots of things in the pipeline that this

Council has approved but they're

basically saying if they could not get

to a building permit because they're

still meeting the conditions of the land

development plan before they get a

signature those are the ones that will

not be able to move forward um and they

they designed them originally I think

for tax abatement in mind so I'm just

giving you a context of what's affected

if you think about the big things you

voted on that are sitting there if they

are still trying to get all the ducks in

a row to satisfy the land development

plan requirements that's approved they

can't apply for a building permit till

they have those done and after the plan

is filed so it's sort of a conundrum

they're in they they're just sort of

stuck there so there are a lot of them

have been in the pipeline and it's been

tough for the private sector frankly I

mean you know cost of construction went

up cost of wages went up and you know

and and that mean the cost of financing

went up so they've been juggling um so

whether any of them are done a year from

now is a good question right be the

smaller ones could be done but the

bigger ones have been in the pipeline

for quite a while I that was one in

particular the one project on Raley

street that was stormw mitigation was

yeah I guess I'm just not understanding

kind of the legal framework so basically

we've been placed in a position where we

would adversely be affecting every

single applicant for posterity because

we didn't create a right because this is

not the first time we're renewing this

resolution so if we hadn't renewed it

the last time no this is the first time

you is this the first time Sor oh yeah

it's 2024 sorry it's a 20 it's a 10year

ordinance now this is the third Lura

that I'm aware of the city's had um the

first one fully expired there was a gap

the second one kind of did not get

approved by all three bodies only the

city and it kind of limped in and then

there's this third one that's going on

for 10 years 10 years is the maximum

abatement someone can have not the

maximum length of the ordinance so but

that abatement starts from when they get

an occupancy permit but what I'm saying

is like so

if let's say there was an over and this

resolution was not extended so I think I

I think if you're a builder and you've

got your money in you probably do you

should probably wait till the next till

another alerta is adopted before you

come in for your building permit

application for because the plan isn't

what's going to dictate it's the

building permit application that's going

to dictate so I'm so I'm one way or the

other there's going to be people trying

to get the lerta approved I think like

maybe that's something we need to

address too because like a should be

there should be something where a

builder can kind of have their rights

vested much sooner than well well

they're under some time restrictions and

it gets fuzzy because of the conditions

on a land development plan if the

conditions are satisfied then they only

have a limited time to have the plan

filed in the courthouse and then a

limited time from them to get

significant work done on the project so

there is there are these things but the

stormw Management in particular is

probably the most challenging thing for

some of these places uh to get in place

uh and until those are approved in in

place they can't move forward with

getting the plan signed and getting a

permit I mean I think this goes into the

bigger discussion on the bill but can't

we have something where someone can

declare their intent to seek abatement

like earlier in the process attached to

maybe the land that they own so that way

there is a vesting so that you know who

grandfathered and or not because I I

don't think a developer can have an

expectation that an

ordinance can will just be renewed over

and

over I don't disagree with you I think

it's part of the big picture

conversation that Miss Roberts is

talking about it has to come uh and um

and they're not for because they came

before you earlier doesn't mean they

would be blocked out from another alerta

but they you are not allowed to

participate in alerta if you've already

file for your building permit right so

you're creating so that's the issue when

you get there if there's a gap you sort

of have a gap in incentive for them to

keep going uh because they originally

probably did their calculations based on

alerta but we're not here to advocate

for them we're just I'm giving you sort

of the context of where it comes from so

I think I mean all this means is well

this is I will be voting against it um

my colleagues convert as they see Fed

but if it doesn't pass then all you have

to do is work fast on getting the new

one up on

running right well if it doesn't pass we

all have

alerta it we have a you know it expires

on the

31st but it would just be a new

resolution because it there's a lot of

overhauling that needs to happen

anyways yeah state law requires if we go

from a new one which You' participated

long ago we have to go through public

hearing process is with everybody you

know and and you get lots of people

involved so and I think that that's just

the the design the state has given us to

work with

yeah absolutely okay so that's it I'd

recommend that we add this bill to the

next legislative

session thank you and that concludes the

business of community and economic

development thank you thank you all

thank

you our final committee business for

this work session is

the public Safety Committee I will defer

to our Public Safety Committee chair

councilman Jones Thank You president

bers see we have deputy chief young and

miss and Captain

Winder can you state your name so I mean

your

name and

um yeah um before you do that Mr trale

can you read

resolution um

79 into the record please resolution 79

2024 a resolution authorizing the city

of Harrisburg to negotiate and enter

into a domestic Animal Protective

Services agreement with the Humane

Society of Harrisburg area to provide

services to the city of harrisburg's

animal control

program thank you all right um a quick

synopsis I'll try to go quick good

evening I'm deputy chief young ass shair

numberers uh one nine

all right so this resolution here is uh

for us to enter into agreement with the

Humane Society uh the differences this

year uh years past um let me start with

this is the Humane Society in 2024 wi

underneath new ownership it's now M or

uh uh the ownership is now with the

Brandy Wine Valley

SPCA all right uh that happened at the

beginning of January in January this

year so um uh again this here is a

we had previous years we had a one-year

contract this year they won a three-year

contract uh the major differences uh not

to get into the the legal jargon but the

major differences is uh the cost went up

um this year it was 250 per year that

went up to 1,200 per year of the

three-year contract um and they say that

the the reason for that uh was the

increase uh was due to um staff wages

rising cost of supplies and inflation um

the the pricing on uh animals has gone

up uh they they're proposing a dog and

cat fee subject to a 4% annual increase

uh in each of the subsequent three years

uh the uh the fees for the uh the

animals that they will be taking dogs in

2024 was 250 that goes up to 300 cats uh

in 2024 was 17650 that increased to 200

um and then other domestic animals such

as rabbits ferrets guinea pigs IG and

other unique and exotic species 2024 was

5150 that went to uh 200 per animal so

that's that's the gist of the pricing on

the contract

um Captain wander you have

anything how about now okay all right so

I'm captain Winder with the Community

Services Division I will not be giving

you my social security

number um long story short

um a city

has submitted or surrendered a lot of

animals to the Humane Society okay and

the numbers exploded for

2024 um fortunately for us with the

hires of our two new Animal Control

Officers um Nelly and menen Hall they

came with other resources that they

reached out to for other rescues so some

of the animals have been able to be

spread out to these to these other

rescues but Harrisburg is just unique

with the amount of animals that are just

running around for um

example when I had them pulled the data

for

um when I had him when I had them pulled

the data thank you when I had them

pulled the data on June 2nd uh

190 dogs had been taken out to the

Humane Society and 37 cats have been

taken out to Humane Society with a total

of that being a total of

227

um animals that got that got built um

now out of that uh number they did have

some um reclaimed animals now what's

interesting about the Humane Society

with this reclaimed animals

uh thing that they have is that if the

animal is not

claimed in three

days the city is

built for that animal and the person who

owns it come and pick it

up um

for

free and it's it's one of those things

that you

know I believe that the city has

something in place but it's something

that we're going to have to really look

at um the vast majority of animals are

not being picked up but I'm one of those

individuals where every penny counts um

and I think that that number was roughly

about

$3,000 that could have been uh or should

have been

recouped uh by the city um so if the

animal is picked up within 20 24 to 48

hours they won't build a city they'll

talk to them about some sort of fee for

kindling the animal for that specific

amount of time but the minute that

three-day hits It's that lump fee that

they're charging us with for these

animals uh for a minute there they were

charging more for pit bulls than other

dogs that was one of the things that was

going on as well um but now they're just

you know they did this flat rate and

everything um I will say that um over

the month because we had asked for a

monthly bill to find out what was going

on and then we are checking it line item

per line item with uh the animals that

actually surrender because we have a

form that we have to fill out and we

keep everything documented which has

worked out great because we were able to

find just a few things not not a lot

most of it was very very accurate but we

were able to find a few just one second

that's not ours you know take take that

off of our bill um and that's pretty

much where I'm at as far as like the

Humane Society goes now they're asking

for these asking for this significant

increase right and we're we're kind of

at their Mercy because we don't have any

other areas around that we can take

these animals too and I've been talking

to my Animal Control Officers about

trying to find something else

that the city of Harrisburg could

benefit from something that'll help us

with with this ongoing bill because you

figure year to date and we're not even

done yet and today they just picked up

four dogs and took out to human society

today alone right now we're just over

$51,000 just over

$51,000 that's okay that's pretty much

what I got all right thank you um my my

questions will pretty much not be

questions just more of a statement and

um I believe that this is a a service

that our city does need um especially if

you're looking at 190 dogs and 37 cats

um this is something that um we do need

and I think um the extension on this

should be beneficial in a way um meaning

that we don't have to keep coming back

every year and doing this but I do like

the the notion of finding some

alternative sources to handle uh some of

this especially if we can identify who

uh these animals May belong to um and

finding a way for them to be able to

carry this bill and not putting it on

the um you know the citizens back so

well our Animal Control Officers have

been very very proactive with uh some of

our residents in the city that just

aren't the the best pet owners okay and

they've been working with them

diligently teaching them helping them

trying to groom them and for the ones

that aren't getting it they've been

being held accountable for their actions

uh I I know that uh recently they had to

take two very very aggressive dogs uh

from a homeowner unfortunately those

dogs kept getting loose they run up

killing another

dog it's has been one of those things

but they've been very very proactive and

listen the city is blessed to have both

of them they're

hire excuse

me um that's that's pretty much it for

me I will uh be supporting this so I'll

open it up to my uh colleagues and if

they have any questions um starting to

my immediate right councilman

Rodriguez thank you chair Jones um thank

you gentlemen for joining us this

evening I'm very familiar uh being the

former chair of the Public Safety

Committee uh but there is positive news

September 7th of 24 uh 94 animals with a

great deal of them coming from

Harrisburg were adopted from the

Harrisburg ASPCA so uh you know that

that could be the best wish we get him

off the street and to a loving family

but uh Captain wer I do remember when

there was an allotment per Pitbull so do

you feel it would kind of just weigh out

even after it's all said and done

because I remember it was cats dogs plus

a certain price tag for just pit bulls

but it seems like they kind of lump

summed it all up how do you feel do you

feel that would at the end of the day

kind of level

out I'm I'm hopeful that it's going to

level out because we have had certain

months where the numbers fluctuated low

um and like I said I give that credit to

our Animal Control Officers because they

were really uh out there boots on the

ground finding out talking to neighbors

finding out who these owners are and

going directly for the owners and then

they were equally aggressive with

finding rescues that we could take the

uh animals to now the good thing was

that in 2024 they lifted the number of

dogs that the city could uh provide and

that's a good thing because I believe

that number was 100 for pit before yeah

before they had limit on amount of pit

that we could take out they lifted that

number with the uh the new ownership um

and then I guess there are no kill

shelter so I mean they do they do their

best to try to get those dogs either

back to

back to uh to find new homes they

microchip them and things like that

which is is very very beneficial the

Animal Control Officers able to to read

those chips and and at least try to get

the dog back where it came from where

hold the hold the owners accountable so

there is that going on and you know we

were all we're also in partnership with

them we held a pet vaccination and

shipping Clinic uh this this year which

was which was overly

successful awesome well thank you DC

young thank you Captain Winer and thank

you chair Jones uh no further questions

thank you councilwoman

Ross uh good evening thank you for both

being here tonight giving us more

information I just had maybe it's like a

clarification so if a if an animal is

not picked up then the city occurs that

pay the the price that the Humane

Society would give um for basically

keeping them or Sheltering them or

whatever the

fee the fee right

um and if I heard you correctly were're

saying that we H maybe have something in

place where there's penalties I don't

want to call it penalties but that could

be the word um basically um because the

owner did not pick them up and we're not

enforcing it enough or we need something

in place we have something in place we

got to work on it uh to get it to a

point where it's going to work

effectively and be enforced and then we

also have to be careful because our

Animal Control Officers are not animal

control police officers so there's only

certain things that they can do so we

want to make sure that they stay within

their con confines until such time as

I'm able to uh maybe find figure

something out that maybe find some

training for them to bring them up and

Elevate them but for right now we got to

make sure that they stay within in the

confines of what they can and cannot do

okay and my um my question was if you

know this if not maybe you can email it

to us but how

um how many animals were unclaimed where

we occurred that price I know you gave

us a 5100 but I was just wondering like

what was the number oh 51 oh goodness I

wrote that all wrong 51,000 I don't

think I thought no

227 227 of them were were put in you had

we had 30

six that were reclaimed okay from from

May was 36 okay we had 36 that were

reclaimed but we still had

227 that were not and you occurred that

cost yes and we were the city did we did

okay thank you you probably said that

and I the way I was writing the numbers

but thank you all right that was it for

me thank you president bers good evening

I don't have any questions thank you all

right

uh vice president

green thank you very much I don't have

any questions regarding

this okay um I was ready to call you

vice president uh councilwoman Davis

thank you councilman Jones Okay so

51,000 that's a big number is that how

much the city has incurred I just want

to make sure I understand that just just

over 51,000 yes for this year no just up

until December 2nd we just submitted

four more dogs the day so that was just

for those numbers from the beginning of

uh January January 1st up until December

second so they're still the rest of this

month to go do we have a does the city

have a registration program a program

where citizens are required to register

their pet making it easier for us you

know to locate the owner I know that the

city I know that the city does have a a

licensing program I think that goes

through the office of the chief I

believe it does yes it's the it's the

ones those we're not too much the ones

we don't know about I'm

sorry I was saying it it goes through

the burant department for the licensing

that's for councilwoman

Davis it's the ones we don't know about

of the becoming the issues so when you

say B mertile you mean business mertile

oh that covers the animals okay I wasn't

aware of that I pay it but I just just

for property so or

business um okay so we do have a

registration program but $51,000 that's

a lot of

money and that the city has to be

responsible for um I don't know what the

solution is but I appreciate what you're

trying to do

um and so then the

$1,200 is for three-year contract that

that's an annual fee so it's annual

instead of 250 it's 1,200 now they want

$1,200 annually with a

4%

increase to that and to the fees for the

dogs and the

cats okay it is and the officers they're

very responsive I've seen them out in

the community but

I think this is a huge number for the

City to be responsible

for that that's it for me thank you

Kevin just to let you know we are doing

our absolute best like I said to make

those connections with other rescues um

this number would have been much larger

um I want not for those other resources

for those for if it wasn't for those

other resources I want to estimate maybe

an additional 15 to 20,000 if it wasn't

for the work that the Animal Control

Officers did with finding some of these

rescues to take some of the pit bulls

and it was pit bulls take some of the

pit bulls off of her hands I think that

the uh uh ACO Manelli even had a rescued

us closer to where she lives at so she

was able to get some cats actually taken

over there too because that's that's per

cat um I think one of the one of the

worst situations we had was

they they said that they found a cat and

then when they got there the cat just

given just had babies so then you had

the cat and five

kittens each one with a

feet no further questions thank you um

one of the things I I you know just

thinking about this

um you know they have like service I

want to say service animals is that what

you call them like to help people out

and stuff like that so maybe uh we can

look at that too some of the unclaimed

and emotional support and things like

that for for seniors or whatnot but then

there's also some programs in campill

state prison where they have inmates

actually look after these dogs and stuff

like that so maybe that's something we

can look into as well you know so a lot

of it's timing I mean if we're looking

at three days and then they start

building us um we could look at it but

I'm not sure the timing is going to

happen that quickly yeah I know I'm just

saying it's something like just should

start having conversations with them um

so I mean it's just another added

resource where it will you know at least

not cost us any more money uh but uh I I

understand councilwoman um Davis's

concerns however we have nothing else we

need this so and I was thinking also

that um we could try to recruit more

rescues people who take care of I mean

the current ones come with I mean the

the two Animal Control Officers that we

have I mean they come with a wealth of

of knowledge knowled I mean they they've

come from other organizations here so

they're they're they're leaning on those

organizations for for assistance that

they can get and we're going to continue

to do that I mean there's always there's

always other avenues out there that we

can explore um so we're going to

continue doing that and then hopefully

that opens up some other Avenue stores

to try to cure some of those numbers

that we're getting

good councilwoman Daniels just agreeing

with needing to diversify our vendors

but no questions okay all right

gentlemen you are excused and uh I will

ask that this uh resolution be moved to

our next legislative session and I ask

my colleague to support it thank you

thank

you thank

you we will now open the floor for

public comment just a few housekeeping

notes before we begin please state your

name and your address for the meeting

record if you don't feel comfortable

sharing your address address please

share the vicinity in which you live

within the city you will have 4 minutes

to share your comments Mr trale will

serve as our timekeeper and I will begin

to my right is there anyone that would

like to offer public

comment good evening uh members of

council my name is Brian Hudson address

is 4741 great o glane uh many of you

know I used to be the CE of Pennsylvania

Housing Finance Agency I now do a lot of

uh Consulting for market rate and

affordable housing in the city and I'm

here to urge the support of the tax

abatement which is Bill 9

2024 uh I'm excited by what's happening

in the city there's a lot of Economic

Development going on and I think this

provides incentive to bring developers

to Harrisburg and we have some who are

local are doing some great things here

and some coming from out of town but a

one-year extension of this work and will

allow us to craft even more going

forward but this is the most Economic

Development I've seen happening in this

city in in 20 years which uh which has

me excited because I'm trying to help a

lot of these developers do the right

thing which means not only provide

market rate but home ownership and

affordable housing so uh I urge your

support and anything I can do to help

all of you in your duties please let me

know thank

you thank you is there anyone else to my

right that would like to offer public

comment okay seeing and hearing no one

anyone in the middle section

this

so while Mr trale if I may is um handing

out the documents I will announce that I

am shil Del board my address is 2033

Belleview Road harisburg Pennsylvania

I'm here this evening on behalf of the

Hines manre Senor Center this is a

followup to our discussion of a few

weeks ago and I see coun

uh Jones is shaking his head and I can

maybe we can talk about that but um I

would like to begin by stating that um I

go with the philosophy that we seek

first to understand I heard what the

questions were that were presented by

council at my last um presentation here

and um what I have attempted to do is to

clarify some of the information but I

also want to point out most certainly

that we have brought members of the

hindes menare senior center here with us

this evening we have done this many many

times in the past we have a diverse

range of people because we serve not

only Harrisburg but the region what you

have in front of you is a PowerPoint

presentation you also have a letter from

dolin County that gives some

clarification regarding the status of

senior centers in Harrisburg you will

recall chairman Bowers asked questions

about um the status of senior centers

within Harrisburg and so we thought we

would go directly to the source and get

the information you should note that um

it mentions Hinds it mentions B Bri and

it mentions also lick towers and

indicates that lick Towers is closed

therefore there is no Sena Center there

there is information about Bay Brit that

I do not feel that I am at um that I am

in a position I am not a government

official to discuss but um I think that

there should be perhaps some due

diligence questions asked about that but

that is not within my purview um I will

say that we know that Ben Brit does

receive um lunches um twice a week and I

think it's 15 lunches twice a week uh

but we did um take seriously what you

said before and we went out and we did

our due diligence I do also have in

front of you um the Hines mener Senior

Center we have a brief PowerPoint

presentation um chairman Daniels asked

the question about the members of our

board and um what you see on the third

page in is a um Doc is a statement that

indicates who our board members are and

what they have done I would like to

point out that um you met Mr strain Mr

laninga was a 45e Harrisburg resident

retired deputy secretary of Aging Civic

volunteer member of Market Square

Presbyterian Church where he's done a

tremendous amount of work around um

addressing homelessness in the city boss

mtgy 45 year old 35y year harisburg

resident retired Coast Guard retired

director of um economic development for

DC a developer and a Civic volunteer and

Mr Les for who is a non voting member

finally would like to point out that

there was some real questions about if I

may miss Martin Roberts and her status

as a board member I want to clarified

for the record that during her tenure as

a board member of Hines Miner Miss

Martin Roberts was not employed by the

city of Harrisburg Miss Martin robberts

is a leader in our community as are you

she has a wonderful resume of experience

indeed when you talk about the dispar

study that we reference so frequently

she was the person who was the ex um the

head the chairman of the board of impact

Harrisburg when I was executive director

at the time that we developed the

disparity study you also know that Miss

Martin Roberts has served as a member

and of city council and as chair and has

served in many other capacities uh just

as you um as council members have the

opportunity and

the obligation I would say when you

think that there is a conflict of

interest to talk to your your councel

that would be Mr Grover Miss Martin

Roberts has that same obligation and

opportunity my assumption is that any

issues of that sort would not be um

aired in a newspaper but would be

resolved um

through that exist thank

you thank you is there anyone else in

the middle section that would like to to

offer public

comment good evening my name is Les Ford

I leave it live at 2033 Belleview Road

in Harrisburg for much of the week

however the balance of the week for the

last several years more than 14 actually

has been spent at the hind Center 1824

North Fourth Street I took that job in

an emergency situation and I said I

would serve for six months I've been

there for 14 years I'm simply saying

this to give you some idea of the

seriousness with which I conduct the

business of the Hines meder Center I

also want to say that I am not

particularly comfortable standing at a

microphone for four minutes I sought to

have an extended period some weeks ago

uh that was deemed as not appropriate or

um available to me so if I tend to go

over my four minutes I offered to come

and sit at the table and do an in-depth

presentation based on some of the

innuendo and questions that were

floating around reputedly from City Hall

and when I say City Hall I don't mean

Council I don't mean the mayor's office

I mean City Hall our city governance

institution that we as Citizens rely on

on for Relief and for suore and for

guidance and for wisdom having said all

that um if any of you have questions for

instance in terms of uh what the hind

Center does or how it is funded or how

we spend our money I would suggest you

direct them to me if you will not give

me the time in the four minutes then do

it privately or invite me to sit at the

table during your session that's my

editorial comment I will finally say in

that

vein uh was said Long Ago by Dr King and

some hundred of years before that uh by

a British historian and politician that

Justice delayed is Justice denied well

I'm here to say that financing delayed

is financing denied and I have a

financial expert right here who will

will chime in on that if you do not move

this money and it is withdrawn by the

federal government given the federal

government you can explain that to me

either offline or I'll sit at the table

and you can explain I'm 78 years old I'm

not going to stand at this microphone

and and try to absorb all that

now if I don't get financing in the in

the next 15 days and the government

withdraws that money because it is arpa

money you pointed that out I've been

painfully aware of that for over two

years I've had these same negotiations

same discussions with the county and

they responded we are well into spending

down the arpa uh allocation that we had

from the county as a matter of fact they

have given us a hard deadline to submit

our invoicing before December 31st or we

will be lose the balance I have not had

that opportunity with the city because I

have not had the opportunity to get

guidance from the city or to have a

discussion with the city so I am here to

say that I'm aware that Justice La is

justi as denied I will carry that to the

next Arena which is finance if you don't

have financing today it's going to cost

you more to get it tomorrow and your

interest rates are going to be higher so

I would urge city council I'm not going

to deal with the details but I'm going

to urge city council to accept my sense

of urgency and develop your own sense of

urgency about using this F Federal

American Rescue plan money in a wise way

that is best for the city of Harrisburg

and it's best for the senior citizens of

Harrisburg now with my remaining time I

will say if anyone has any questions

about the administration the funding or

the activities of the senior center

please ask me now don't let me go back

out and hear that someone said something

about something sometime say it to me

now say it to my face thank you Mr

Ford thank you is there anyone else in

the middle section that would like to

offer public cont

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comment yeah I hope you don't plan to

leave yet so I can have a conversation

with you guys well we wanted a

conversation we as for a conversation

please come up no we can't we can't have

a conversation here come I'm saying

afterwards you're welcome to offer

public comment

okay what you do my name is mild Watts I

live in 105 K Court HML toown

Pennsylvania I work at the H the center

uh what I do there I'm the instructor

for is it on excuse me one second can

you

please end conversation we're we're

trying to listen to miss

Watts thank

you thank you I'm sorry I do apologize

if you wouldn't mind starting over thank

you my name is mild W I live at 105 C

Court in Hummelstown Pennsylvania I work

at the hind Center I'm the instructor

for the arts and crafts room we are the

people that do the the hats for the

children that are sent out to the

schools for winter time I think this

year we did 150 we do also headbands we

also do the blankets we also make

blankets for the homeless that then

cover up keep them warm and keep them

dry we also have a bag that they can put

all this stuff in that's made from the

plastic bags that people are bringing

from the store now we cut them up and

crochet them into bags we also have a

painting room that people can come and

do you know painting and we can do all

types of sewing anything you want to

learn you can learn in that room you

know and we also provide food for people

we come in a lot of the staff bring in

different dishes so they can eat you

know in the morning we have breakfast so

it's a wonderful place to be and we're

doing some wonderful things at the

center and also we're making baby hats

for the hospital for the

Prix oh

well I'm train um people come in and

train there's a church with some people

that come to train to learn how to

crochet and now they're doing the hats

at the church so now we're doing these

These are the hats that we make for the

children the smaller ones are for the

babies at the hospital and we take them

down there these are the ones and a lot

of people now have heard about our

program and they're bringing in yarn for

us to do but most of the time if we need

something we'll just go and get it you

know buy it out of our own Pockets if

some specialty we want to do but this is

what we

do any questions no thank you thank you

for sharing you're welcome is there

anyone else in the middle section

okay good evening council members and my

special

niece uh it is indeed an honor to be

able to speak to you today because and

on behalf of the H Center excuse me uh

for I beg a pardon oh my name is an Beck

bck and I've been in government for over

40

years uh the H Center at this point you

know most people in my age group they go

there for activities we have worked long

and hard and we go there to uh play

cards now I'm not a Knitter or crocheter

or whatever it is but I like to play

cards and uh it's a

good Avenue for seniors to go and to uh

conversate with one another and I enjoy

going there it's not that I have to but

I really enjoy going there and seeing

other s other seniors such as

myself uh uh communicating with one

another rather than going to the doctor

and I must say one thing in uh regard to

the Christmas party mayor Wanda Williams

had a Christmas party I thoroughly

enjoyed it it was so well coordinated

the buses the wheelchairs the Walkers I

was impressed and these are type things

that I would like to see uh us as

females to doing being you know you

council members can understand that well

having mothers in the age group and uh I

look forward to it so I look forward to

going to the center

playing uh peanuckle I think I learned

to play that I'm a bridge player I'm

trying to learn this

peanuckle uh but uh there again I

appreciate the center I enjoy the center

it's free

parking uh I'm not so into the meals too

much we're trying to we're working

on but at any rate I appreciate all of

you and as a Souther Bennett Bell I take

Delight in seeing this

Council I'm just so proud of you and

thank you so very much for listening to

me thank you is there anyone else in the

middle section that would like to offer

public public

comment no okay seeing and hearing no

one anyone to my left seeing and hearing

no one the oh I'm sorry Miss

Evelyn I apologize I didn't see you back

there good evening my name is Evelyn

hunt and I live in the 1800 block of

State

Street I'm going to sing to the

choir the hind

Center the times that I've been

there I felt comfortable in that

neighborhood it's ADA

Compliant in the summertime I I'm never

too hot in the winter time I'm never too

cold in addition to that the people have

been very friendly there and older

people such as myself we need to go out

and socialize with people in our own age

group I am a peanuckle

player I will play bid

whis but I'm a card player and I enjoy

going to the hind Center and going

someplace during daylight hours being

able to find a place to

park I also am a quilter my quilting

friends will tell you I'm a Topper I

make the tops and then give it to

somebody else to quilt it however my

group what we did last

year we made hundreds of place mats so

their organization could give place mat

to the people when they went out for the

Meals on Wheels so when I say I'm

singing to the choir you know they're

doing these things and whatever it takes

to make sure that they can continue to

do their good work I'd appreciate it

thank

you thank you is there anyone else that

would like to offer public comment

before we

conclude okay seeing and hearing no

one did you want to make your comments

now or okay Council thank you uh good

evening everyone who came out in support

of the um Hines Medicare Senior Center

um I appreciate you coming and speaking

and I just wanted to clarify something

from my my point of view um I can't

speak for anybody else or any other

council members up here but I did want

to clarify any misconception that um you

may have had on what I felt about the

funding um um first of all you all are I

humble myself to my to my seasoned um

Community um that's why I like to call I

don't say you're getting old that's not

no you seasoned very well I'm going to

be at that place at one time in my life

and I want a center to go to um of

course where I can talk with friends and

learn how to do things and still be

vibrant in my community um so it was

never that I didn't think you all

deserved funding that wasn't it when the

arbor money came and when we all voted

on how what kind of programming it could

be spent on which was council's

responsibility um one of the pieces were

that we definitely felt like there had

to be some senior citizen component

where um senior citizen centers or

uh company I don't want to say companies

I'm not getting the word right but uh

places that gave or did things for

senior citizen programming were able to

go into a pot of

money fill out application process go

and if they got approved go into that

pot of

$250,000 and be approved for a certain

amount to be able to continue their

programing or start their programming so

my concern was why is it that Hines

meder Senior Center was the only Center

to get the $250 $50,000 they were going

to get all of it so I I was concerned

about that and then I was wondering well

why wasn't there application process

like we had suggested because spread the

wealth um I there could be other

agencies who would also or who also

needs money but how do we know if we

don't say hey here's this application

process if if you are doing work with

senior citizens in our community where

who are so important in our community

and are sometimes forgotten and left

behind apply for some of this money this

is onetime money that we get but it

could really help your program and and

keep it going or make it even better so

I was just concerned on why um you all

were only getting the money and then it

was with inside of a bill I just I had

more concerns so I don't want anybody

from hind Miner senior C Center or uh

who go there to think that we don't

think you're important and that your

Center doesn't deserve funding because

you do I just felt like there were other

centers that could possibly deserve it

too and wondering why they weren't given

a chance to apply that was my only

concern so I I wanted you all to know

what was on my heart and how I felt and

I did email and SP speak to miss Dela

for about what my concern was so I I

just wanted to point that out for M for

myself so thank you for coming tonight

again thank you uh the time is 6:46 p.m.

I will entertain a motion to adjourn our

work session so move is there a second a

second then thank you we stand a

journ we will now move directly into our

legislative

session sure that's no

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problem the time is 6:46 p.m. I would

like to call our legislative session to

order Mr trusdale could you please call

the

role Miss Daniels here Miss Davis

present Miss

green present Mr Jones here miss

rolls present sorry I was get drink of

water Mr

Rodriguez present Miss Bowers present

thank you the invocation this evening

will be led by vice president

green thank you everyone if we could

just take a moment um to think about all

those in our area who are unfortunate

especially as we head into our holiday

season um all those just just need a a

little more time or just a thought and a

prayer if we can just take a moment of

silence for

everyone thank you

thank you vice president green the

Pledge of Allegiance will be led by

councilwoman RWS can we all please

rise stes America the stand

na

indivisible

andice thank you councilwoman RW we do

not have any Communications this evening

we will now open the floor to Courtesy

of the floor the same housekeeping notes

remain please state your name and your

address for the meeting record if you

don't feel comfortable sharing your

address please share the vicinity in

which you live within the city you will

have four minutes to share your comments

Mr trusdale will serve as our timekeeper

I will begin to my right is there anyone

that would like to offer public comment

okay seeing and hearing no one anyone in

the middle

section that's for 2033 BBY Road

Harrisburg

Pennsylvania uh just a point of

clarification

um I do have a sense of

urgency um I have a sense of purpose I

have a sense of concern because of the

conversations that occur in private or I

guess second or third hand information

about who said what that's why I

insisted on coming here and at the risk

of offending the timekeeper uh trying to

establish some clarity around around

some of this and one of the issues that

came up repeatedly after the last

meeting I believe was how many senior

citizens there senior citizen centers

there are in Harrisburg so rather than

deal with second or third hand

information

we went directly to the SE Secretary of

Aging for the state we went directly to

the County Commissioners and in

particular uh George Harwick under whose

purview the senior CER fa and they were

able to give us definitive information

concerning what the county and the state

considered to be a senior center versus

Senior Housing versus or the organiz

ations that have occasional senior

activity we support the entire expense

of running that Center and as things

stand right now and it was out on

Ratchet news so it must be must be

something to be considered uh we don't

have funding to go beyond December 31st

rather I don't care what I do care what

the government does but I'm telling you

as a person responsible for that Center

if we don't get some additional funding

from somewhere by the 3 1st of December

we are in no position to continue to

operate and one of the impacts of that

is we will have to shut down our

availability to community organizations

to use that Center that includes

churches that includes Civic

organization that includes uh families

and grieving from repass we can't pay

the bills to keep that Center going we

have that entire burd from the heat to

the insurance to the upkeep that is our

are burdened and we don't have the money

so rather than go out and have somebody

approach me and say I heard you said say

it wasn't going to operate past the 31st

of this month and I am telling you that

from my point of view I will offer a

resolution to my board and they have to

approve it or not that reflects that as

of January 1 we will not have the money

to continue to operate the full set of

expenses and spectrum of expens

of that Center thank

you thank you is there anyone else in

the middle section that would like to

offer public

comment seeing and hearing no one anyone

to my left seeing and hearing no one we

will move forward with our meeting

agenda next we have the approval of

minutes for the legislative session that

occurred on November 26th 2024 council

members are there any revisions to those

minutes

okay seeing and hearing none the minutes

stand approved we will now move to

reports of committees the first report

uh I will deliver on behalf of the

administration committee on the work

session that was held prior to this

meeting on December 9th

2024 on Monday December 9th 2024 the

administration committee met to discuss

one

resolution that is res resolution 78 of

2024 a resolution authorizing the city

of Harrisburg to negotiate and enter

into a Professional Services contract

with Steve Zimmerman to provide access

and service of the city's historical

Mainframe programming operations and

related services in the Bureau of

Information

Technology Mr Steve bortner director of

the Bureau of Information Technology was

present on behalf of the

administration one question was asked

related to the length how long uh will

we continue to contract with Mr

Zimmerman Mr bortner believes that this

will be the final contract he noted that

U Mr Zimmerman assists with day-to-day

Mainframe operations he's able to answer

any questions related to historical data

uh and the main difference between last

year's contract and this year's contract

is the fee it went from

$135,000 to

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$120,000 this concludes the uh report of

the administration committee I urge my

colleagues to support resolution

78224 as Mr Zimmerman continues to

provide uh technical assistance to the

city as they migrate uh through a new

munist system the next committee report

you will hear will be shared by vice

president green on behalf of the budget

and finance committee on the work

session of December 9th

2024 thank you president Bowers during

the work session of Monday December 9th

2024 the budget and finance committee

discussed resolution 83

of 2024 a resolution authorizing the

city of Harrisburg to negotiate and

enter into a collection agreement with

the Harrisburg School District for the

collection of the business privilege and

mertile tax and the amusement tax for

the 2025 tax year um Mr Mike Hughes was

here to present on behalf of the

administration um I would ask my

colleagues to support this resolution uh

it's something that we've done for the

past several years there haven't been

any changes to this resolution um so I

just ask my colleagues to support it and

that concludes my

report thank you the next report you

will hear will be delivered by chair

Daniels on behalf of the community and

economic development committee on the

work session of December 9th

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2024 sorry Hi um uh earlier today uh the

community and economic development

committee met to discuss Bill 9 hyen

2024 which contemplates extending the um

the city's lur up program by an

additional year um until uh the city is

able to

re refashion the existing um the

existing program speaking on behalf of

the city were U uh Loria Martin Roberts

and Mr Jason Graves um who presented

some information about the L program as

it currently exists um as of right now

there are 21 to 24 properties in the

program um we also discussed you know

which applications are grandfathered in

when when rights in in lorda vest it's

and and such um I will be voting no on

this resolution um uh but you know uh

ask council members to make the best

decision they can given the information

we received during that session and

that's it for my report thank you the

final committee report uh that you will

hear this evening will will be shared by

chair Jones on behalf of the Public

Safety Committee on the work session of

December 9th

2024 thank you president Bowers um on

December 9th earlier today the Public

Safety Committee held a work session

where we discuss resolution 79 of

2024 um the session was a resolution

about a resolution authorizing the city

of Harrisburg to negotiate and enter

into a domestic Animal Protective

Services agreement with the Humane

Society of Harrisburg area to provide

services to the city of harrisburg's

animal control program present to

discuss was Captain Winder and deputy

chief young excuse

me uh we discussed where the Humane

Society is under new ownership and

instead of a one-year contract they

would like a contract for three years at

a time and um the only other thing that

changed with this resolution was the

price um that increased due to

inflations some of the data that was

shared um there was over well there was

about approximately 190 dogs to 37 cats

taken to the Humane

Society um if some of these animals are

not claimed within 3day period the city

has to cover uh that bill if they are

picked up within that frame time frame

it won't cost the city

anything um some of the questions asked

by my colleagues uh do you feel

uh first there do you feel that 97

animals being adopted from the city of

Harrisburg will balance things out uh

the captain says he's hopeful in that

regard and another question was posed

which I earlier stated that if if

animals aren't picked up um will the

city have to foot that bill the answer

is yes um there was also asked that is

there a penalty or a penalty in place uh

for those individuals that do not claim

uh their uh their animals and yes there

is and we also shared that there was

about approximately

227 unclaimed animals which resulted in

the city of Harrisburg having to pay

$51,000 um there was also as there a

process about the

licensing uh registration process and it

was um confirmed that there is a

licensing process for the animals um in

the city of Harrisburg and this would

end my report for Public Safety

regarding resolution 79 of

2024 and I also ask that my colleagues

support this resolution for that we

don't have any other services to handle

uh the Stray animals or animals let

loose in the city of Harrisburg and that

ends my report thank you we do not have

any ordinances for first reading we have

an ordinance for Amendment that's bill

nine of

2024 Mr trusdale could you please read

it into the record Bill 9 2024 in

ordinance amending chapter 5- 503 tax

abatement and exemptions of Title Five

licensing and Taxation code to extend

the statutory termination date by one

year to December 31st

2025 thank you we have one ordinance for

final passage that's Bill 9 of

2024 Mr trusel could you please read it

again Bill n 2024 in ordinance amending

chapter 5-53 tax abatement and

exemptions of Title 5 licensing and

Taxation code to extend the statutory

termination date by one year to December

31st

2025 thank you council members are there

any final questions comments or concerns

related to Bill 9 of

2024 okay seeing and hearing none Mr

trale could you please call the vote

Miss Daniels

no Miss Davis

yes Miss

green

yes Mr Jones

yay Miss roll

yes Mr

Rodriguez

yes Miss Bowers yes Bill 9 2024 passes

by a vote of 6 to one thank you we will

now move to resolutions the first first

resolution for consideration this

evening is resolution 78 of 2024 Mr

trusdale could you please read it into

the record resolution 78 2024 a

resolution authorizing the city of

Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a

Professional Services contract with

Steve Zimmerman to provide access and

service of the city's historical

Mainframe programming operations relate

and related services in the Bureau of

Information Technology thank you council

member members are there any final

questions comments or concerns related

to resolution 78 of

2024 seeing and hearing them Mr trale

could you please call the vote Miss

Daniels yes Miss Davis yes Miss

green yes Mr Jones yay Miss rolls yes Mr

Rodriguez yes Miss Bowers yes resolution

78 2024 passes by vote a 7 to Z thank

you next we have resolution 79 of

2024 Mr trale could you please read it

into the record resolution 79 2024 a

resolution authorizing the city of

Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a

domestic Animal Protective Services

agreement with the Humane Society of

Harrisburg area to provide services to

the city of harrisburg's animal control

program thank you council members are

there any final questions comments or

concerns related to resolution 79 of

2024 seeing and hearing now Mr trusdale

could you please call the vote Miss

Daniels yes Miss Davis yes Miss

green yes Mr Jones yay Miss rolls yes Mr

Rodriguez yes Miss bers yes resolution

79 2024 passes by vote a 7 to Zer thank

you our final resolution for this

evening is resolution 83 of 2024 Mr

trale could you please read it into the

record resolution 83 2024 a resolution

authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

negotiate and enter into a collection

agreement with the Harrisburg School

District for the collection of the

business privilege and mertile tax and

the amusement tax for the 2025 tax year

thank you council members are there any

final questions comments or concerns

related to resolution 83 of

2024 seeing and hearing none Mr Trel

could you please call the vote Miss

Daniels yes Miss Davis yes Miss

green yes Mr Jones yay Miss roll yes Mr

Rodriguez yes Miss Bowers

yes resolution 83 2024 passes by vote is

7 to

zero thank you is there any old business

for discussion council

members okay seeing and hearing now um

oh I'm sorry I do have just um just a

reminder that um we do have budget

hearings throughout the week we'll have

a meeting a budget hearing Tuesday

Wednesday and Thursday this week all

starting at

5:30 thank you for the reminder any

other old

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business okay seeing and hearing none

any new

business seeing and hearing none the

time is 7:04 p.m. I will entertain a

motion to adjourn so move is there a

second I second that thank you we stand

a

journ

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