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Harrisburg City Planning Commission - 6/4/2025

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foot structure which was constructed in

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1987. The property is bounded by Market

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Street to the north, the property at 9

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South Second Street to the east and

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south, and South Second Street to the

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west. This semi- detached structure

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features elements of a modern

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architectural style. Character defining

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features include stone facade with

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granite water table, the oversized

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recessed entryways featuring curved

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glass elements, the ribbon windows on

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all elevations, and the asymmetric

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penthouse level. There are two main

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entrances on the northern elevation with

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which both feature full view metal doors

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set within simple frame simple metal

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frames and topped with large plate glass

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windows which flank full view revolving

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doors topped with tall curved glass

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panes. A secondary access on the western

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elevation features a recessed entrance

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with a full view metal with full view

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full view metal double doors flanked and

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topped by plate glass windows.

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Fenistration otherwise is limited to

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rows of plate glass windows on all

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elevations and all floors. The structure

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is topped with flat rubber roofs. The

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western portion of the property

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accommodates the Serta transfer center,

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including bus shelter, bus lanes,

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shelters, and seating. Although the

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architectural style style differs

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somewhat from other nearby buildings in

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the downtown, there are others of the

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same massing and design in the

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surrounding blocks which accommodate

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more of Harrisburg's newer development.

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As the downtown neighborhood is

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characterized by the diversity of its

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architectural styles, age of

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construction, and general building

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design, and the sub the subject property

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thus minimally contributes to the

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architectural character of the

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community.

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The planning bureau staff recommends the

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request be approved

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uh with the following conditions.

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Because the applicant is predicating

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their request on driver legibility and

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safety, the planning bureau recommends

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that the signage limit message

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transitions to limit message transitions

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to six transitions per minute per pendot

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guidance for billboards and previous

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appro approvals for similar proposals

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granted by the zoning hearing board.

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Planning bureau staff recommends the

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request be approved for the following

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reasons. The proposed signage will

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better promote publicly accessible

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activities and events held by government

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agencies and local nonprofits and will

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not be used to advertise private

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businesses other than that of the

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property owner. And thus, there is a

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significant public benefit component to

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the proposal. Given the context of the

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signage location on a large building

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facade at a major major intersection in

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a visually congested area, the current

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sign is somewhat unnoticeable or

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illegible and thus there is

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justification for allowing larger

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signage more conspicuous to drivers and

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pedestrians. Okay. Thank you, Jeff.

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Could you state your names, address, and

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relationship to the project? Hi, my name

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is Phil Patrina, attorney at McNiss

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Wallace and um council on behalf of the

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Harrisburg Downtown Improvement

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District. Uh we're at 100 Pine Street in

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Harrisburg. And with me here tonight is

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uh yes, good evening. I'm Todd Vanderwy.

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I'm the executive director for the

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Harrisburg Downtown Improvement

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District. Uh, our office is right there

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at 22 North Second Street. I'm also a

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resident of Shipo, uh, 579 South Front

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Street. Okay. Thank you. Uh, you both

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heard the staff report with the U one

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condition. Are you acceptable with that

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condition? Yes, that condition is

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acceptable. Okay. Um, did you want to

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add anything else to the uh, report? Um,

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a few quick comments. We know you have a

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full agenda tonight. Um, but we agree

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with uh Mr. Knight's analysis. Um this

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is a pre-existing electronically

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changeable message wall sign. Uh the

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existing sign is 88 square feet. It has

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been there in its current form since

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2008. The downtown improvement district

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is now looking to update that sign with

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a new and improved sign that's bigger,

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clearer, easier to read, and we think

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will be more aesthetically pleasing to

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attract people to the downtown district

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uh and to promote the citywide uh and

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countywide events. So, th this is a a

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significant improvement over what uh is

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currently there. And uh we would just

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ask for the planning commission to

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recommend approval tonight uh for the

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zoning uh hearing board of our requested

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variance.

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Okay. Thank you. Um commissioners, I

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don't have any

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questions. This seems to be a

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straightforward period and I'm glad that

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there sign is being put up so that as

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you said

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safety you go by there and trying to

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look at it next. you know, you run into

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car whatever has. So with that, Mr.

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That was better than what some people

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called me today.

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So I just Yeah. I Are you moving it any

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higher up the building or is it staying

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in the same location? It's going to stay

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in the same location, but obviously the

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sign is larger, so it will um know it

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will span from the lower window pane to

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upper window pane

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of that. Yes. Yeah. It does. I mean,

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it's larger, but not tremendously

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larger. What's about 40% more

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like 5t higher approximately? Yes. Yeah.

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Just it always seemed too small.

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Yeah. just can't figure out how to make

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it larger without giving up windows, but

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it would be not quite Time Square yet.

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I don't know if we're proposing anything

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like that, but maybe one day. I think

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the main question was people talking

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about when you come across the bridge

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you're coming up to the traffic light

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there that there's blockage of the sign

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right now with trees other elements and

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poles and things that are there whether

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bigger really gets as much as you want

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but I applaud the improvement.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, I agree. The current sign's almost

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unnoticeable. So this this is

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improvement. I'll be hoping for

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Mr.

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No questions,

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no questions.

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Is there anyone from the public or

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against this project? Start at the

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middle to my

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right. Appears not to

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be. Commissioner is going to get a vote

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on this.

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Second. It's been moved and second for

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approval with the one condition. All

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those in f by saying I I

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thank you very much. Thank you.

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Okay. The next item uh is a varance

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application for 1951 Hurst Streets which

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is zone industrial and commercial

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neighborhood which by Justin

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Woodward with complete signs to install

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a wall sign 50 square feet larger than

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permitted by right of

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25 just here. Uh no, so the applicants

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were not able to have a representative

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here. Um the applicant is actually uh

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from a science company in Alabama and

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they had a local representative and they

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weren't um able to make uh the meeting

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tonight. They had something come up. So

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uh they had requested continuence which

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I put on in front of everybody. So,

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do we need a vote on it? Uh, yeah. I

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think you should vote. Commissioners,

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is there a second? Second. It's been

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moved and second for continuation of

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this project. All those in favor state

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by saying I. I.

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Oppos? Motion

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carried. Okay. Item number three. This

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is a special uh exception application

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for 1025 market street which is zone

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downtown center. It's filed by Stephanie

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Sus events and it's to establish a use

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not specifically prohibited and event

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space use.

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Uh

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yes, the applicant is proposing to

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establish an event space on site which

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is classified as a use not specifically

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prohibited which requires the HB

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approval of a special exception

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application per section

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7-303.11b of the zoning code. Property

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at 1025 Market Street is a.18 acre lot

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featuring a one-story 9623 foot

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structure which was constructed circuit

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1900. property is bounded by Market

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Street and the property at 1029 Market

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Street to the north, Cameron Street and

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the property at 1029 Cameron Street to

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the east. The properties at 10 and 14

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South Cameron Street to the south and

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the property at 1021 Market Street to

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the west. This attached structure

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features elements of an indeterminant

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industrial architectural style.

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Character defining features include the

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unusual building configuration wrapped

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around the corner lot, the brick facade

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with a stone water table, the decorative

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brick and stone elements and bays

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separated by brick pillisters, and a low

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parapit wall at top the building. The

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interior space is divided into two

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sections. The main entrance to the

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portion accommodating the proposed use

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features a full view wooden door flanked

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by one over one double hung windows. The

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other entrance on the eastern elevation

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features a full view metal door and a

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recessed entrance flanked by sidelights

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and storefront windows and topped with a

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simple transom. There are utilitarian

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access doors on the southern elevation

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of the building as well. Penetration is

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limited to plate glass windows on the

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northern and eastern elevations,

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although the property formerly featured

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Florida ceiling storefront windows on

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those facades as well as the southern

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elevation that the owner has infilled

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with metal paneling.

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Um the structure is topped with a flat

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rubber with a flat metal roof. While the

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architecture is relatively non-escript

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is reflective of the industrial

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character of the surrounding

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neighborhood and the Cameron Street

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corridor overall and as such the

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property makes a minimal contribution to

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the architectural character of the

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community. The planning bureau staff

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recommends the request be approved with

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the following conditions. Uh given the

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location within the AE 100-year flood

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plane and the floodway, the applicant

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and property owner must ensure that any

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investments into the property are

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submitted to the planning bureau for

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consideration and review against the

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flood plane regulations and best

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practices before work can commence. Uh

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the planning bureau recommends the

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applicant consider coordination with the

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owners of nearby surface parking lots

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such as 101 or 1028 Market Street to

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secure leases for off- streetet parking

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spaces so that patrons do not end up

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parking on the sidewalks near the

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property. Uh the applicant must ensure

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they conform to the operations as

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outlined in the submitted business plan,

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including a prohibition on alcohol

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consumption and having operations end no

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later than midnight. Plan Bio staff

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recommends the request be approved for

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the following reasons. Property is

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located in a mixeduse corridor with

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nearby commercial, industrial, and

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institutional uses, but no nearby

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residential units, and thus the proposed

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use should not have an adverse impact on

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the neighborhood. The applicant has

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provided a detailed site plan confirming

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uh business plan, sorry, that confirming

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that no alcohol will be uh consumed on

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site and that events will not run past

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midnight. As such, the proposal is

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similar to a previously approved event

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space use at 2307 Berry Hill Street

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located in a residential neighborhood

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which has not had adverse impacts on the

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community. And finally, the proposed

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development will activate an existing

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vacant building with a use that will

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accommodate the special occasion needs

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of local residents, helping the helping

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to activate the area on nights and

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weekends.

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Thank you, Jeff. You both heard the

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staff report with the conditions. Um,

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first, could you state your name and

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address and relationship to the project?

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My name is Stephanie.

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I address

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KD3 Design Studio representing owner and

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helping with their

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special located third street.

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Okay. As I was saying, you heard the

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conditions stated by the staff. Are you

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acceptable this condition?

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Yes. There there actually is no plan

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construction is large enough. It has

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28. The owner is working with some of

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the local people around there to see

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about parking.

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If you can get some sort of agreement to

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have that

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place. Okay. Um that's the main area. Of

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course, I'm always concerned with the

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parking.

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So, this is staff recommended to get

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some leases or nearby parking lots. We

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don't want parking on the

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sidewalk and probably events you're

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going to have a few people coming to. So

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I guess by the

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uh other meeting then you you'll have a

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plan for that or at least look at I mean

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by by zoning ordinance it's not

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required.

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So we were looking into it. I mean there

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is there is actually a parking lot right

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around the corner on 10th Street.

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I think the owner has looked into that.

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I'll talk to

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quite aware it's not required, but we

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don't want a lot of problems there.

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Understand?

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Okay, commissioners, that was my only

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concern. And we'll start with

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commission.

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Uh, just a quick question. What was in

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there previously? Was it a restaurant or

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what was that? was actually a private

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biker club. Motorcycle club. Okay. Life

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motorcycle club. It was I was in there

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before. It was pretty I mean it was an

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open space and they had a little bar

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area.

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I I don't I think when I checked with

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the codes I don't know they had

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it just kind of happened. Okay. Yeah.

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That was and that was before the current

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owner didn't own the didn't own the

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property at that time. What was in

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there? before that. Do you know by

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chance how long ago that would have

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been? I think it was a furniture store

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at one point. In the past? Yeah. Yeah. I

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was just trying to determine if it been

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a restaurant that would have already had

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Yeah. But if it had already had pattern

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of traffic in the past that would

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support, you know, but I agree. I mean,

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of course, you're going to want to find

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good places for people to park, but um

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yeah, that corner slowly, it needs

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activity.

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So, I support getting you in there.

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Thank you.

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recall there's been a lot of different

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things in there restaurants and over the

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years there's been a lot of

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activities commission

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yeah I'll be supporting this regardless

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of the answer to this question but have

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have you done much in the way of a

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outreach to the neighborhood let them

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know what you're up to and get their

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input um well I'm part of the um church

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And um

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I've

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done a lot of I've been doing this

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for I have

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a food bank. Um but this is my passion.

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This is

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As you already know,

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um an easy city to find a space like

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this. Um this is

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what

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showcase faces.

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Commission,

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most of my questions were answered in

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your business plan, but just for

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clarification, you said it will hold 90

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people. Is that banquet style?

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Yes. Um, it holds comfortably 10 to 15

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tables with even more space.

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Um, you know, I'm big

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on

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backdrops, so I do everything my

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Facebook for the past.

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And then my second question is, is there

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a kitchen? No. So people will just be

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bringing food in and and staging it on

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tables. So on that um we kind of

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improve. We've done a lot

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of place to place.

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It was all I'm sorry but dingy and black

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and red and just horrible looking. Um

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we've completely renovated it white and

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the pictures I myself have been working

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I have home that I have. So it on the

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corner where that bar used to be like a

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larger area where people can set food

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trays. Um it has a sink where people can

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wash their hands. and it has a space for

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a

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fridge

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water. Um, so there is a designated

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space for people to

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put

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it to tag a little bit reason that we're

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limiting it

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also 99 people in the

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building. So that's part of it why we

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you know I talked to make sure was okay

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with that that we limit it in there and

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anything that she's done has been has

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just been paint on the walls and they

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said the countertop was already there.

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She just freshened it up, right?

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They're not doing any they actually

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aren't doing anything, you know, any

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construction.

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Thank you.

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Commission.

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Yeah. Um just pretty much echoing what

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everybody else has said. Um you know,

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you're saying that the capacity will be

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90 people. You know, making sure that

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you work out some type of parking

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arrangement. I know you talked about on

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the weekends, but I'm sure you'll have

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events during the week as well. So, as

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long as you, you know, get that worked

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out with one of the nearby lots uh

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rather than definitely a supporter of

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this, you know, that area and that

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intersection needs a lot of help and

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businesses are starting to slowly come

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back. So, you know, good luck to you.

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Thank you. I have been trying to work to

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get I got

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selling the actual law parking lot. So,

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they they only wanted to hear if I

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wanted to buy the parking the parking

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place. Don't want to buy it. But I'm

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I've been very consistent into trying

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for them to get me in touch with the

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actual owner. See if I could get, you

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know, an agreement of some

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sort. We're still the owner still trying

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to work with other

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A quick suggestion is before I retired,

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I used to work in that building uh at

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the corner and we had a agreement to use

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some of the parking spaces. Uh even

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though they were quite busy then but now

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since co I always see empty spaces. So

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you might go to ABC talk to them.

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I know they were very cooperative with

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this suggestion. Thank you.

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U with that is there anyone in the

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public for against the project

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start on my right?

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Uh commissioners, can I get a motion?

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I move to approve the application with

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the conditions as stated. Okay. Is there

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a second? Second. Move a second to

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approve the project with the conditions.

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All those in favor state by saying I. I.

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Oppos

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and motion car. Good luck. Thank you.

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Thank you very

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much. Item number four. This is a

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variance and special exception

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application for 1415 Sycamore Street

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which is zon residential medium density

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followed by Sam alley and is to

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establish a convenience store on site

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and to request relief from the

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associated all street parking

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requirements.

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Uh yes. So the applicant is proposing to

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establish a convenience store on site

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and to request relief from the

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associated off street parking

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requirements. The project requires

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zoning hearing board approval of a

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variance application for a convenience

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store use per section 7-305.7 of the

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zoning code and have a special exception

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application to request relief from the

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off street parking requirements for such

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uses as outlined in section

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7-327.6 of the zoning code. Property at

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1415 Sycamore Street is a 05 acre lot

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featuring a two-story

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481 square foot structure which was

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constructed circa 1900. Property is

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bounded by Sycamore Street to the north.

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property at 1417 Sycamore Street to the

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east and undeveloped public rights of

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way to the south and west. The semi-

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detached structure features elements of

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an indeterminant architectural style.

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Character defining features include the

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formstone facade, the roll down metal

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security doors, and a wide wooden

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staircase on the rear elevation

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providing access to a residential

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apartment above. is unclear what the

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main entrance is given the security

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doors are locked in a closed setting,

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but older images of the propo of the

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property indicate that there was or is a

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solid wooden door providing access to

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the first floor as well as a similar

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solid wooden door beside it, which once

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provided access to interior interior

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stairs to this upper floor.

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Administration is limited to seven over

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one windows on the front and side

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elevations, although the property

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formerly featured three sidebyside

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windows on the first floor as well.

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structure appears to be topped with flat

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rubber roofs. The building is in a

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significant state of disrepair and its

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architectural features are not reflected

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in any of the surrounding residential

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properties. As such, the property does

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not contribute to the architectural

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character of the community and indeed

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detracts from it. The planning bureau

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staff recommends the request be approved

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with the following conditions. The

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applicant must ensure that the business

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conforms to all specific criteria

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outlined in section 7-309.2Q 2 Q of the

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zoning code and the signage regulations

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outlined in chapter 7-325 of the zoning

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code. The applicant may not keep

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products, displays, freestanding signage

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or any other materials in the yard/

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sidewalk in front of the building. And

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finally, the applicant must allow the

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codes bureau to perform a comprehensive

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inspection of the entire building

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property and building to ensure aspects

23:58

such as utilities and access points are

24:00

up to modern codes and to ensure the

24:01

structural stability of the building.

24:03

Flure staff recommends the request be

24:05

approved for the following reasons. The

24:07

proposed project will address a

24:08

long-standing vacant property that has

24:10

created a bleeding influence on the

24:11

neighborhood. The proposed use will

24:13

reestablish a convenience store use on

24:15

site that appears to have existed

24:17

several decades ago and reactivate a

24:19

vacant storefront space. And there

24:22

appears to be justification, sufficient

24:24

justification for the proposed variance

24:25

of special exception requests, including

24:27

the availability of on street parking

24:30

along the 13 and 100 and400 blocks of

24:33

Sycamore Street.

24:35

Thank you Jeff. Could you state your

24:37

names uh relationship to the project and

24:40

address? Um

24:45

um

24:52

project you both heard the conditions.

24:56

Are you

24:59

acceptable?

25:02

Um One of the other concerns I have is

25:06

um the size of the parking but it's not

25:08

really required is did you talk to any

25:12

of the

25:15

neighbors and what

25:18

was the neighbors are

25:35

I think there was a

25:44

story positive.

25:49

Yeah. And and just to uh clarify, I did

25:52

put a picture from the Dolphin County uh

25:54

tax parcel records on everybody's uh

25:56

desk up there. Uh that's the photo they

25:58

have from the records, which is probably

26:00

from the '9s. Um and I think uh the sign

26:04

on there says like Manor Market and

26:06

Grill, I believe. Uh so um that's kind

26:10

of even though we have nothing in the

26:12

records that there's like any merkantile

26:13

permit for the property and you go back

26:15

and Google Streets View and can't really

26:16

see any occupancy. Uh that does provide

26:19

um evidence that there was a similar use

26:21

on site.

26:26

So you're saying they were positive? For

26:28

the most part, everyone was

26:40

Okay, that's all questions I have at

26:42

this time.

26:47

Commissioner,

26:49

so you said you sent letters to the the

26:51

neighborhood people in the neighborhood.

26:54

Yes. Following up with his question and

26:55

explain to them what you're putting in

26:56

there. All right. Usually convenience

26:58

stores are one thing that gets the

27:00

public out,

27:01

but no further questions.

27:04

Mr. Reed, I'm just curious about the

27:06

proposed hours of operation.

27:09

Um, it's probably going to be

27:17

like

27:20

it work. No questions. The only comment

27:23

I have is just I think it would be it'd

27:27

be a good use of the space and

27:29

considering the way that the property is

27:31

laid out and it history it makes sense

27:34

for there be a store there.

27:38

Is there anyone from the

27:40

public? Left, middle,

27:43

right? I got a motion.

27:50

Motion to approve the conditions. Is

27:52

there a second? Second. Second for

27:56

approval with the conditions. All those

27:57

in favor state by saying I. I

28:01

oppose. Motion carries. Good luck. Thank

28:04

you.

28:08

Do you have any other business? Um, no

28:12

other business uh for tonight. Uh, next

28:15

month's looking uh like a pretty good

28:18

agenda. Probably six or seven items on

28:21

it. So,

28:22

[Laughter]

28:24

this is a good

28:29

anything commissioners for the good of

28:31

the water.

28:40

I

28:59

guess better indicator.

29:12

I do I do remember that. Um

29:28

and and to be clear, I believe this um

29:31

initiative is uh going to be focused on

29:33

economic development and maybe less so

29:35

like physical development of new

29:37

structures. But I mean that will

29:38

certainly come into play about bringing

29:40

residents new business space downtown

29:42

too and stuff.

30:01

With that, as chairman, I'd like to

30:03

recommen I'm going to work

30:37

Yeah. No. And there's a lot a lot of,

30:39

you know, a lot of that document uh

30:41

references downtown in terms of

30:42

connectivity, you know, economic

30:44

development, mixed use. Um and so I

30:48

certainly think it has um applicability

30:50

to at least as a um starting point for

30:54

some of the discussions.

30:59

Would the uh would I sign that or are

31:02

you going to sign um well if the if if

31:05

it would be coming from the planning

31:06

commission I think it would be best if

31:08

uh you signed that.

31:11

Okay. I have

31:14

nothing. Oh, yeah. I'm

31:16

sorry. Make that motion.

31:24

It's been moved and second for approval

31:26

of the letter. All those in favor state

31:28

by saying I

31:30

opposed

31:31

and motion carried. Very good. Could I

31:36

get a motion for journal?

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