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Why Argentina's 36-Year Wait For The World Cup Goes Deeper Than Football

35:13EnglishTranscribed Jul 20, 2026
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This is now the craziest video I’ve ever made.

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And it’s been 12 hours.

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Argentina’s always that way.

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Aah f*ck.

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What just happened Eli?

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Ummmm...

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No, my word’s aren’t going to do it justice.

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Roll the tape.

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My name’s Eli Mengem and for the past few years

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I’ve been traversing Europe, documenting the tales

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of football clubs and their fanbases

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who’ve been on the verge of winning something

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for the first time in a long time...

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If not ever.

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From Northern Turkey

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to Southern Spain.

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From South West Germany

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to the Basque country.

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I’ve been on a mission to show how important it is

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that the game has a variety of winners

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so that we learn about new places,

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new people,

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new cultures,

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and most importantly, new stories.

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Then came the 2022 FIFA World Cup.

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Where I knew the exact “Once In A Lifetime” story I had to tell.

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So as the world’s media descended on Qatar

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to be at the tournament.

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COPA90 and I decided to fly 8000 miles in the opposite direction

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to tell the ultimate story of a football fanbase

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on the brink of ending a 36 year wait

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for the biggest prize in sport.

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But what we found we found was a story that transcended football.

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A story that reached into the very soul of a nation

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that laid itself bare over two fateful weeks.

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A story that etched a struggle for identity in a search for glory

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that began over two centuries ago.

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A story about Lionel Messi.

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Argentina.

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And 45 million people yearning to reclaim their place in history.

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This is the all angle, on the ground,

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as it happened, ultimate account

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of perhaps the greatest football story of our time.

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We’re good to go?

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Yep?

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We’re good?

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O.K

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What’s in a name?

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Argentina?

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Why’s this country called Argentina?

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Argentina?

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It comes from the Latin: <i>Argentum</i>

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It means ‘Silver’

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‘The Land Of Silver’

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The assumption of the first Europeans who went over there

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was that it would be this incredibly rich country.

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As they found in Mexico.

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As they found in Peru.

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Because the Spanish conquistadors

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they thought they were going to find a lot of silver here.

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And you know Mexico and Peru had led to

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<i>enormous</i> amounts of gold being shipped across the Atlantic.

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It leads to incredible inflation in Europe.

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In fact they named the river...

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as the ‘River Plate’.

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‘Plate’ is another word for silver.

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ELI: ‘Plata?’

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ELI: ‘Plata?’ - Yeah.

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Plata = Silver.

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ELI: Well did they find lots of ‘Plata’? What did they find?

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Nothing.

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The name itself is a myth.

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Empty land.

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A few natives.

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Well the Indigenous people, we know why they’re not there.

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Cause they were... it was a genocide.

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I mean that’s the only word for it.

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They were slaughtered.

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Nothing here resembles silver.

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It was the other way around.

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Since it’s beginnings

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Argentina’s been obsessed with unattainable fortunes.

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We think we’re in the ‘Land Of Silver’

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but we are in the land of...

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corrugated carbon.

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Yeah, Argentina has this...

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people often say: “The delusion of grandeur”.

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I am not a sociologist.

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I cannot explain where this is coming from.

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But...

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I think there is a sense of entitlement

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which is not warranted.

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But for all its false promises,

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there was one period where the country lived up to its

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lofty expectations.

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If you go back, nearly a century or so...

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You want me to put a date?

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1880 - 1930

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It was, one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

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<i>The Argentine.</i>

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<i>Now known as one of the richest countries in the world.</i>

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The international economic situation was

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very favourable for Argentina.

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It’s GDP was on a par with Australia

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and many of the new world countries.

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Argentina had all the comparative advantages to develop.

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Which was like this,

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we have something to offer to the world.

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You know, it’s got huge amounts of farmland.

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With the new refrigeration technology

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a century ago we’re talking about,

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they were about to export beef to the European market,

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the North American market.

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Today the Argentine exports more cattle and hide

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than any other country in the world.

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It wasn't just beef, I would say it was also agriculture.

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I mean basically we have incredibly fertile land.

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Like all of the “Pampa Humeda”

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which covers quite a lot of central Buenos Aires (state)

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and around Santa Fe

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have perfect conditions for agriculture.

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We were feeding the world, practically.

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And that made Argentina...

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a remarkably wealthy country.

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I mean, there's communications between

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the British and US government saying:

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Argentina really is the coming place and maybe we should

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think of sort of nudging Canada aside and

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putting Argentina in Canada’s place.

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Because Argentina was a very attractive destination.

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And so with such abundant wealth

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came those in search of it.

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It was a wonderful place to come

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because you had the opportunity to prosper.

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Relative to the size of the population we had

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for a period of time, more immigrants than the Americans.

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This influx was an exclusively European migration

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where the new arrivals hailed from all over the continent

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be it Spanish, French or even Russian.

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But the most significant arrivals were the Italians.

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And with migration of the early 1900’s predominately by boat

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naturally the vast majority of Italian migrants

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came from Italy’s port cities.

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Many from the Northern Italian port city of Genoa

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but the majority from the Southern port city of Naples.

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You know what the nickname of Italians are here?

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How do we call Italians?

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“Tanos”

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You know why?

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For Napoletano.

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That’s the reason.

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Most of them came from the South (of Italy)

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and we identify them with Naples.

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I tend to agree with people that say

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that Argentinians are Italian people

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speaking in Spanish.

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Buenos Aires itself is very linked to Italy

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and particularly to Southern Italy

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and particularly to Naples.

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You see that in the accent.

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You see that in the slang.

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The rhythm...

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it’s more Italian.

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It’s got a sort of sing-song quality like Italian.

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And that’s obviously the Italian influence.

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You see that in the cuisine.

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There’s a large Italian influence there.

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Pasta.

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Pizza.

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Cold Cuts.

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They came and they conquered

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the people’s palates.

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And you know if you look at the architecture.

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The Italian architecture legacy which is either

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these very grand ornate buildings

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and then you have the more modest, single story dwellings.

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Which were called “PH’s”.

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When you’re in Buenos Aires you can be in a really run down area

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and suddenly you turn a corner

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and there’s this incredibly beautiful square

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that makes you feel like you’re in a remote town in Italy.

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So, the Italians

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I think they really left their mark

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in our culture.

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But this influence wasn’t just confined to accent and architecture

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especially in Argentina’s capital...

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where a distinct ‘way of being’ was imported

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directly from Italy’s south.

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Buenos Aires is closer to Naples than to any other European city

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ELI: What do you mean in?

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Culturally.

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The way we interact with each other.

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I feel like this a country of extroverts.

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They’re warm. They’re lovely, but they...

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They’re really in your face.

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So Argentinians are very expressive, it’s like:

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They get quite hot headed.

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They get quite passionate.

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And they use their hands.

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Name two players whoever played with Maradona!

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That’s why it was a perfect fit for Maradona, Naples.

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Because, they are like us.

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Yeah, they’re passionate about everything they do.

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They’re passionate about their politics

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Oh the obsession with (ex president) Peron is extraordinary.

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You mention JFK but the Argentinian obsession with Peron is

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way more extreme than that.

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They’re passionate about their literature.

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There’s a big book scene here.

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And they still consume a lot of paper printed material.

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You will always find a bookstore.

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For many, many years we’ve had like

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more bookstores per capita

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than anywhere else in the world.

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Their passionate about their music.

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Tango is a very good example of our passion for music.

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Carlos Gardel who is the most famous tango singer

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you’ll see portraits of him all around the city.

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Yeah one of the things about Argentinian society, everything is...

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It’s extremes.

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Absolutely, absolutely.

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It’s a country of extremes.

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I don’t know if they like to over exaggerate

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but everything is like grandiose and amazing.

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And yeah, I suppose there is quite a bit of...

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A bit of that.

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The best, the biggest, the longest.

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Any superlative, they’ve got it.

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Yes, sometimes we feel...

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a little sense of superiority.

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The best steak.

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Yes, best steak in the world.

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I couldn’t think of a better steak elsewhere

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than in Argentina.

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The thing with steak is like

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our entry level is so high...

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that we’re just spoilt.

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The best wine.

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The wine here is insanely good.

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The Malbec for sure.

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There are some wines that even surprise the French.

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The widest Avenue in the world.

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Yes, the widest...

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and the longest as well!

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Many Argentines are proud to say that they feel that

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we’ve perfected the Gelato.

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Yeah, it’s a...

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It’s a very, very passionate place.

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So how does an Argentinian commit s*icide?

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He jumps from his ego.

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I think we’ve got the best ice cream.

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ELI: Better than the Italians?

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Yes.

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No. No. No.

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Yes.

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Best ice cream is in Argentina.

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Yes. It really is.

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You see in Argentina passion isn’t so much a hobby as a way of life.

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Best summed up in one the country’s most iconic films.

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And whilst everything and anything Argentinians care about

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is met with heightened levels of passion and adoration,

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there is <i>one</i> subject the country’s most passionate about.

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You couldn’t have Argentina without football.

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I think in a way it’s just become part of its...

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psyche.

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Of its elemental being.

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I mean football is...

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is Argentina.

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But then let me ask you, why Argentina?

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Why do you think Argentina got so hooked?

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You’ve got other sports, but football is the be all and end all.

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It’s like water here, it’s just omnipresent.

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You see when you’ve got a population as passionate as Argentina

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it only makes sense that they made

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the most passionate and emotional game theirs.

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There’s a relationship between Argentinian idiosyncrasy

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and the nature of football as a sport.

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There’s a characteristic of Argentina

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that comes out through football.

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Argentinian mentality and culture

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and the dynamics of football.

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It’s like a perfect match.

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Think about it like this:

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Football is a low scoring game.

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So, you build up a lot of anxiety.

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You build up a lot of momentum.

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But when the actual moment arrives

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The goal!

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It’s an explosion.

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I’m going to use this expression.

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It’s like an orgasm.

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There is something magical, something....

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intrinsic about football.

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It’s something that no other sports have.

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But it’s not just the uniquely emotional

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and passionate elements of football

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that make this game so important to Argentina.

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In 1913 there’s a series of lectures

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at the Odeon theatre in Buenos Aires.

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Given by Leopoldo Lugones who is the national poet.

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The president goes, lots of very senior figures,

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everyone goes to these lectures.

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This is the national poet talking about national character.

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Who are we?

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And he concludes that the spirit of Argentina is best represented

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by the Gaucho.

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The cowboy who made sure the huge herds of cattle were safe.

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And from the huge herds of cattle you get the beef.

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And from the beef you get the wealth.

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So the Gaucho is massively important.

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And also the Gaucho is a...

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it’s a very romantic figure.

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There’s a reason why cowboy films are popular.

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Because the cowboy is glamorous.

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<i>In all the world of romance and adventure.</i>

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<i>There’s none to compare with the Gaucho.</i>

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He’s battling the elements, he’s battling wild animals.

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He’s got this great virtuosity.

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And so you get Gaucho clubs set up.

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And they all dress up.

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They dress to what they think Gauchos look like.

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They put on these big barbecues.

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One of the reasons the Asado, the great barbecues are still

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an absolute centre piece of Argentinian social life.

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The Gaucho was romanticised in books.

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It was romanticised in music.

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And also because of the way they dressed, so...

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The Gaucho for sure was super important.

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And then the British wipe them out.

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And the way they wipe them out is by introducing wire fencing.

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If you have wire fencing you can do selective breeding.

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And if you can do selective breeding

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you get a higher meat yield

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and you can make greater profits.

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And this absolutely revolutionises Argentinian farming

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and thus Argentinian society.

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So economically, eventually the Gaucho and his influence

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is wiped out.

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So you then have the question.

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Where do you find the Gaucho...

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in an urban environment?

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So El Grafico, one of the world’s great sports magazines.

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At it’s peak it was selling, I think, over 100,000 copies

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across South America

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every week.

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El Grafico was born in 1919

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and it ran until January 2018 so...

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99 years.

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It was this revered magazine product,

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bible of sport.

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Whatever you want to call it, but it was very special.

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Many people learned to read with El Grafico

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It’s not a football magazine

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as in a glossy thing with a couple of interviews.

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It really goes into detail.

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Maradona first met Pele in a production

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specifically for El Grafico.

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Muhammad Ali came to Argentina

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invited by El Grafico.

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It was like football’s Rolling Stone Magazine.

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So El Grafico:

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They say that spirit of the Gaucho.

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That combination of toughness

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cunning, cleverness, virtuosity and glamour...

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Where do you find that?

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And they say you find that in the ‘Pibe’.

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The Pibe is the urchin child of the streets.

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He learns the game on the potreros, on the vacant lots of the city.

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The ‘Potrero’ is more than a football pitch.

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It’s the imagination of a football pitch in an...

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unthinkable terrain.

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They’re on very uneven surfaces

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so you have to have this technical virtuosity to control the ball.

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That could be full of holes,

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stones,

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glass.

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They are often very crowded

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too many people playing in too small a space.

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It’s dirt.

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It’s also tackles.

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It’s also no referee.

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At the schools, you have a teacher with a whistle

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to stop things if it gets out of hand.

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In the potreros...

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You have to be able to look after yourself.

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You have to have that cunning, that street wiseness.

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This is the place in which many talents...

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couldn’t survive.

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So this is 1928, Borocoto is the Editor of El Grafico.

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<i>A Pibe with a dirty face.</i>

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<i>A mane of hair rebelling against the comb,</i>

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<i>with intelligent, roving, trickster and persuasive eyes</i>

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<i>and a sparkling gaze that seems to hint a picturesque laugh</i>

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<i>that does not quite manage to fall in his mouth.</i>

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<i>His trousers are a few roughly sewn patches.</i>

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<i>His vest with Argentinian stripes.</i>

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<i>With a very low neck and with very many holes eaten out</i>

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<i>by the invisible mice of use.</i>

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<i>Barefoot or with shoes, his holes in the toes</i>

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<i>suggest they’ve been made through too much shooting.</i>

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<i>His stance must be characteristic as if he is dribbling with a rag ball.</i>

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<i>If this monument is raised one day,</i>

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<i>there will be many of us who take off our hat to it</i>

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<i>as we do in church.</i>

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Now this is 1928.

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And what he’s given you there, if you take that extract,

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and you don’t give people any context and say who is that?

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It’s Diego Maradona.

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It’s obviously Diego Maradona.

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49 years before Maradona makes his international debut.

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32 years before Maradona’s born.

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He predicts the coming of Maradona.

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And that’s why when Maradona arrives

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immediately he’s celebrated because people have recognised...

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This...

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This is the saviour we were promised.

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You knew in your head he would save you.

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And that’s why he becomes ‘El Pibe D’oro’.

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The Golden Pibe.

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Maradona’s importance to Argentina is greater than

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the significance of any one sporting figure

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to any other nation.

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I mean Maradona exists

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on a totally different plane in Argentina

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to anybody else.

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A man who adorns nearly every corner

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of the country’s neighbourhoods.

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A man responsible for a significant percentage

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of the male population being called Diego.

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A man who inspired a religion

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boasting tens of thousands of members

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all around the country.

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Maradona was larger than life...

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period.

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But for anyone left who still doesn’t know,

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Diego Armando Maradona was the man who in 1986

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led an un-fancied Argentinian side

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to their second ever World Cup trophy.

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No one saw that he was going to put

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such an individual performance

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that a team that just a few days before the World Cup

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was performing <i>very</i> poorly

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and no one had hopes about it…

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will transform it into a winning team.

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It’s a single moment, it’s a single World Cup

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where, like, one player has grabbed the tournament

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by the scruff of the neck

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and won it.

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That’s only happened once in the history of the game.

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Of the World Cup.

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That was the magic of Maradona.

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All of which led to nationwide scenes and emotions

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the country had never experienced.

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It’s the greatest day in Argentinian football history

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no, not even...

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nothing is even close.

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You look at the celebrations after the final and

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It’s extraordinary. It’s millions of people on the street.

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These mass celebrations.

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People were like moving cars.

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They were so happy that they were moving cars, literally.

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And for as far as you can see it’s people.

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Blue and white shirts everywhere.

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I think winning that World Cup was almost as big as

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getting democracy back in ‘83.

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And whilst yes Argentina had won one other World Cup in 1978.

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That was won during a time the country were under

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a despised military dictatorship.

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It was a fantastic victory the 1978 World Cup

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but there was always a dark cloud.

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Because of the military rulers of the time.

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And so over time it was that 1986 win

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that became a unique symbol of Argentine utopia.

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That thing that surrounds that World Cup.

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That mythology.

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It will never be, it cannot be....

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replicated.

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And whilst Argentinians fondly remember

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every moment of that tournament.

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There’s one particular game from Mexico 86

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that’s remembered most fondly.

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Now there are many reasons why

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<i>this</i> match means so much to Argentina.

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Firstly off the pitch.

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On a day, May 4th, 1982.

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That brought the reality of war into Britain’s dispute with Argentina

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over the Falkland Islands.

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Then there’s that game’s meaning on the pitch.

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Where Maradona scored both of Argentina’s goals.

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The first being one of the game’s most controversial.

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And then, there was his second goal.

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ELI: What was... what was the second goal?

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No, no. I’m done.

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Cut.

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Cut.

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Cut.

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Cut.

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ELI: I’m winding you up... I’m trying to get...

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ELI: I know about it... It’s the best goal of all time, I know.

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Only four minutes after the Hand of God,

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Maradona collected the ball in his own half.

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Beat five England players.

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Rounded the keeper and scored what FIFA officially titled:

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<i>The Goal Of The Century.</i>

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When Maradona scores those two goals against England.

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in the 1986 World Cup Quarter finals...

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That is the Gaucho spirit, projected through football.

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Because they represent the two sides of the Argentinian character.

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The cunning of the first goal.

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And the virtuosity of the second.

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That’s why it means so much.

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But as beautiful as that second goal was...

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it’s actually the first, more controversial goal

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that Argentinians hold dearest.

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Best explaining their unique love of Maradona and the game.

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And if there’s one term you need to know

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to understand the spirit of Argentine football,

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it’s that one.

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How do you say it again?

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Viveza Criolla.

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Viveza Criolla?

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What is it?

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So if Brazilians live their football in Joga Bonito terms...

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We have something different.

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Something very different.

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We call it:

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Viveza.

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Criolla.

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It’s cunningness?

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Yes. Pretty much.

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Cunning would be a very...

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‘polite’

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‘nice’ way to describe Viveza Criolla.

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Being smart enough to find a way through stuff

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but also a little bit

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doing something a little bit illegal.

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Cause it means both cleverness, streetwise-ness

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cynicism even.

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Do you struggle with it?

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Because you love beautiful football?

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I mean I do love beautiful football

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but I also like winning, you know?

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It means just sort of being smarter than...

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the opponent.

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I can tell you this.

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We have an immense satisfaction in this country

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that he scored that goal with his hand.

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I don’t think that distinction is obvious

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to people from Argentinian culture.

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It was a shock for me to realise that:

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Outside Argentina that was perceived as a terrible thing.

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As cheating.

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Argentinians, they also don’t seemed particularly ashamed by that?

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They kind of take it in their stride.

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Why?

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Well, because this notion of Viveza Criolla

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it encompasses...

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they do not see a distinction between

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tricking somebody by moving your feet really quickly

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or doing a feint with your body

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and...

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drugging them.

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That of course is a reference to arguably

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the one act of Viveza Criolla

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more infamous than the Hand of God.

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Masterminded in 1990 by the professor of Viveza Criolla

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Carlos Bilardo.

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Manager of Argentina’s 1986 World Cup winning side.

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The truth is, nobody knows...

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but it is very strongly rumoured

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and not denied at all by Bilardo

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that they spiked Brazil’s water bottles.

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Put some kind of sedative in the water.

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And Branco drank from it.

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The Brazilian player?

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Yeah, the leftback.

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And he was woozy throughout the rest of the game.

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Don’t drink out of that one!

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Bilardo as a player famously would take pins on the pitch

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to stab players he was marking.

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He’d stick a needle in his sock

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and take it out at the corner kick

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and just stab opposing players with it.

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And that was nothing.

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That was like...

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That was nothing.

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Bilardo was a qualified gynaecologist

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and he had contacts from the world of gynaecology and from them

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he would find out things about players girlfriends and wives

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and he’d use that to wind them up on the pitch.

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So Roberto Perfumo.

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The great Argentinian centre back.

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He was sent off for punching Bilardo in the face

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supposedly because Bilardo started talking to him about

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a problem that Perfumo’s wife was having.

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Bilardo, Maradona and their Viveza Criolla spirit

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took Argentina to <i>another</i> World Cup final four years later

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before Argentina won two Copa Americas in a row.

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They win the Copa America in ‘91 & ’93.

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And then suddenly, 94...

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they stop the getting results.

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But by this point Argentina had tasted such success

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on the international stage

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that expectations at every tournament

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were now raised to unrealistic levels.

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I think the yearning for success from Argentina

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I think it’s very hard to...

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overestimate.

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The 1986 World Cup immediately became

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the bar that everything was

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to be compared with that moment.

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I mean we always have to win the World Cup.

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That’s how I grew up.

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ELI: Why?

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Because the first one I saw we won it

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and I thought it was the normal thing.

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The normal state of affairs.

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We had Maradona.

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We won the World Cup.

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We have to win it all the time.

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And whilst from then on they weren’t still winning tournaments...

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with a round of 16 appearance at World Cup ‘94,

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a quarter final appearance in World Cup ‘98,

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and two quarter final appearances at the Copa America.

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it was hardly a disastrous era.

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But for such a passionate nation who see the game

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and particularly this tournament as part of their identity

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well, rationality doesn’t play a role in expectations.

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And so despite boasting many of the 90’s greatest footballers

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each and every one floundered under the weight

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of the memory of Maradona’s achievements.

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However it’s not just football where Argentina’s weighed down

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by nostalgia.

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Argentines do live in the past.

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And they’re pessimists about the future.

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And they’re pessimists about the present.

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But, they’re like...

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very proud about the past.

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There’s this real nostalgia for the 1920’s

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which makes sense because that’s

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when Argentina really mattered.

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It’s a country that’s slow to modernise.

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It’s a profoundly nostalgic culture.

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It’s always harking back.

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There’s a lot written about and researched about

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what you can tell about a society through its national song.

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And the Tango of course is this very passionate dance

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but it’s also a very nostalgic dance.

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It’s sort of infused with this sense of...

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things were better in the past and this is all doomed.

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The lyrics are about unrequited love, about...

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dreams not materialising,

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about yesteryear.

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And that tells a lot about Argentine society as well.

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You look at the architecture.

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The architecture of Buenos Aires, all the good stuff

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was done in the beginning of the 20th century or late 19th century.

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The way the waiters dress.

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They wear the white shirts, the black bowties, black aprons.

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It’s harking back to how waiters were dressed in the 1920s.

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But you look at some of the buses.

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It’s artistry that belongs to the 50’s.

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You know walking round the city you’ll see it,

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from old fashioned stores to bars.

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Anywhere in Argentina you’re going to get this,

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but they’re like little snapshots and postcards to the past.

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I mean, we’re doing this interview in a bar

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that basically hasn’t changed it’s decor since the 1960’s so...

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You’re already in a time warp.

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Well, you tend to idealise the past, you know?

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Memory, is a tricky thing.

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In a nation, or in a country

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where <i>truly</i>

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back in the days

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at least ‘materially speaking’

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things were better.

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That national tendency to glorify the past...

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it becomes magnified.

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And theres a reason it’s so magnified in Argentina

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as it’s power and prestige of the 20th century

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is anything but in the 21st century.

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We are very far from the glory years of the beginning of last century

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Now there is...

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Beyond 55 per cent poverty in Argentina.

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Argentina is now more synonymous

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with economic crises and crashes than

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a prosperous new world country.

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It’s gotten to the point where a lot people are deciding that

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the only thing they can do is just

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go away.

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Leave the country.

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The Argentine nation could have been

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much more than it is, than it’s become

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there’s all the questions about...

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What happened? Where did it go wrong?

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Corruption,

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political institutions,

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the culture of the people.

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There’s lots of reasons.

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It’s partly the repercussions of the Wall Street crash in 1929.

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The reasons range from, political instability.

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And of course, post 1930 the history of Argentina

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has been coup after coup after coup after coup.

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Sociological reasons.

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From political projects

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The majority of the rest of the wealthy world signs up to GATT

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the General Agreement on Tariffs and trades

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which facilitated international trade

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and Argentina remain aloof from that.

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They don't sign up.

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Simple answer?

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ELI: Tell me your answer.

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What changed is this...

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The model that we had for development.

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For economic development.

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We actually had a name for it:

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It stopped being useful.

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Because the international situation changed.

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It became about industrialisation.

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It was no longer about exporting commodities.

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The relative prices of what we had to offer went down.

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And our main market, disappeared.

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So all those things combined...

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That was the problem.

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And if you want to read a couple of books about it

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I can recommend it to you.

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No problem.

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And so where does an extremely proud and passionate nation

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who was once a dominant global force

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look to to find a similar sense of importance in the world?

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The World Game of course.

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I think Argentina is unique in the way it celebrates football

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and particularly the World Cup because the World Cup is...

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It’s how Argentina expresses itself

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to the world.

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So the thing with the World Cup for Argentines is

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it’s not just about football, just being the best at football.

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It’s about being the best...

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<i>at something.</i>

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That is how they show their worth

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or how they validate themselves

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particularly to a European audience.

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So while we may not dominate anymore, you know

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on several fields, especially the industry.

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We can actually say that football is the one thing

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where we can still be the <i>very, very, very</i> best.

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There is reality, an objective reality.

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And then there is perception.

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Every nation perceives itself in some way...

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We perceive as ourselves as really, really good, and

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the only time reality and perception match

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is when we play football.

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And then came the 2002 World Cup in Japan/South Korea

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which played out just as the country fell to a new low.

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Huge numbers of people

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lost huge amounts of money.

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The country was ravaged.

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The economy is just devastated because they can’t pay their debt.

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Mired in a 93 billion dollar debt to the IMF

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demonstrations, riots and general chaos

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sent the country into near societal collapse.

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The only glimmer of light being...

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Their best national team in decades

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who under coach Marcelo Bielsa

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went to the tournament filled with optimism.

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But in 2002, they qualify brilliantly under Bielsa.

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You know,

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in such a great form.

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In qualifying, they destroy everybody.

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A lot of unbeaten games...

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You know they’re favourites, they’re definitely favourites.

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And then for the first time in forty years.

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Argentina crashed out at the group stage.

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Argentina’s best World Cup hope in decades fell at the first hurdle.

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And so that mythological Argentine Utopia of ‘86

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felt further away than ever.

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And with it’s economy, government and streets in tatters...

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it really felt like it was never coming back.

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However, little did they know...

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another Pibe had emerged.

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