Jalál Dubois en La Caja de Pandora (2015)

Greetings, friends. We are here to continue doing what we do every week, telling life stories. Behind every character there is an immense story to tell.

We only need the ability to sit down, listen, open our eyes, open our senses to understand that other character. Did you know that we have lost the ability to know the other because we have become selfish? Because we are unable to make a visit to the neighbor, to the family member, even to the one we don't know, but we believe that it is worth it at some point that he is part of our life.

We have lost that. A demanding, competitive society that has prevented us from knowing about the other. People who appear on television

Stories to tell, of course. He should not only collect stories, but he has to tell stories. One of those people is José Yalal Dubois Sánchez. Here we have him. First time they say José, thank you very much. They told me Patricio, but never José. They never told you? Yalal Joseín. Ah, Joseín. Joseín, excuse me, one does not know. But it looks like José, right? It looks, it looks like, yes. Yalal looks like Joel and Dubois looks like Novoa, then. And what is...

And what does Yosein mean? Yosein is actually a Persian name. It's a Persian name. It's a name like that. Yalal means glory. And it's a variant of king too, right? It means superiority. I've been looking into it. I knew it meant glory in Arabic. Majesty in Arabic. Majesty, glory in Arabic.

Gloria. Gloria or Splendor. So we can call you Gloria. Doña Glorita for you. Of course. Yes, to serve you. Very good. Yes, me and my aunt are tocayos. Without a doubt. There is no place like that. Dubois is from the forest, so I am Glorita del Bosque. So there it was much more poetic.

Fantastic. We're going to talk about the things you produce and generate humor, but also about those other things that are serious and that have a lot to do with your life. To begin with, I'm going to ask the audience

What we always do at the beginning, we formulate a question so that the public can, through social networks, answer. At the end, our guest says the answer. The question we have raised, what is the value of the fine for being in the public space? A, 70.80, B, 58.40, C, 63.30 or D, 160 dollars.

- Immediately... - And I answer? - At the end, at the end you will do it. - Until they blow me. - Until they blow you and now we show a profile... - How ugly! - ... in which there is a part of your life story. Let's see it. My full name is Yalal José Dubois Sánchez. I was born on February 12, 1979. My father, Sam Dubois, a gringo who is more Ecuadorian than us.

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to educate him in a way that he is strong, that he is brave, that he is independent. And also, because of our religion, we are Baha'is. The faith of Baha'i is a religion. We believe that there is only one God and all religions come from God himself. The main teaching is unity. We believe that from time to time God sends his messengers depending on the spiritual and mental capacity of man. God has sent Krishna, Buddha, Brahma, Moses, Jesus, Zoroaster, Mahoma, and for this time it is Baha'u'llah, which means the glory of God.

For us, the most important thing was that he developed his personality without pressure. For example, for us it was not important, nor did we demand it in school or in studies, but he had to develop. My parents were always busy, they worked a lot, they also played a lot with us, but the two of us were very companions. My nanny is my princess.

I adore with all my heart, it makes me laugh with all my heart and it can take me out of here too with all my heart. He has always had that humor and I think it's from the family. We like to make jokes and we like to annoy and everything, so we have always been in these. After I graduated from school, the last thing I wanted was to accept myself in another classroom. I really didn't have an idea that I wanted to study.

I knew I wanted to do something for someone. And my profession? I mean, what did I graduate from? I'm a clinical psychologist. If I ever thought about going on TV or radio, never. I mean, I don't know, I can tell you that I did. I had radio Pecueca with another guy, I think he recorded some cassettes. Yes, there were cassettes, wow, cassettes. The same university offers them the opportunity to do a radio program. He told me,

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At first, it wasn't just a surprise, but the doubt of whether he was doing it right, having been involved in television. I remember the first time we did this, we had this man working, so we made requests, people would come to the van and ask what dream they wanted us to fulfill. We arrived at Plaza Envato and there were about 5,000 people, 6,000 people.

And it hit me, but in the soul. I mean, I got to the hotel and I cried. Then I, from watching some programs, understand that through humor and satire, he sent very deep messages. You have to be super explicit on the TV to understand. The moment you get out of a camera and you have a microphone, you have a great responsibility. We did the No Me Llamo Ni Steven Ni Guacho. And from there we created...

We created Yamino Films. I could be more grateful to all the directors and cameramen. They taught us everything, because we didn't know a lot of things. From "Let's see, hit it, grab the microphone well, give the microphone here in interviews so that it can be heard, if not, no." And then we did the "Bele, Bele, Bele" and from there it went to Ecuador TV with the "Bele, Bele, Bele" and then we did "El Truque". We also did "Behind Popstar", which had more ratings than "Popstar".

Give me that five. It was very strange because it was impossible to go out to eat. People come up, ask for autographs, ask for hugs and kisses, and they take pictures. It's like going to the show with the queen, yes. I remember that there was an old woman in the theater square who came like this, she was little, and she said, "Oh yes, mother, of course, come, come, you're going to tell me something, right? You're going to tell me something." I approach her and she says, "You're very ugly to appear on television."

I don't want to argue with people who are right. I don't want to leave them anything. On the other hand, the love has been immense. They open the doors and they feel they know you. They come and say, "Hi, how are you?" I'm well-dressed and well-fed because they give me a hug everywhere. I got married at 27. We've been together for almost 12 years.

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It's incredible, as a father, he's the best father my children can have. I'm super proud of him, of everything he does, and I always support him, and I will always support him. He's doing what he likes, right? They told him, and because he's empirical, right? He says, yes, I'm empirical. I didn't study for a communicator, I studied psychology, right? What fear, he's a psychologist.

I think he's doing something interesting and it could be good to combine two fields. He has a bright future because what he does, he does it with love. He has always been the one who has advised me, he has always been my support. Ñaño, I love you a lot, I admire you a lot. Thank you for everything, I'm not going to tell you that thing I told you I was going to tell you.

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- There it is. - There it is. It's so cool. I'm getting a little excited in these shows. - There it is. - So cool. Well, what we discovered here is the sensitive side of the characters. Your father gets excited. - Totally. - Your children get excited. - Yes. - I have...

After seeing this, the clear impression that the family is what generates a huge emotion. That's the basis of everything. I really believe that. I think that almost all the problems... Well, listen, I'm a psychologist, I've worked in other lives. Freud says that all demand is love or dis-love. And that's it, all demand is love.

If we see someone who behaves badly, a corrupt politician, from murderers to thieves, it's a lack of love. For God's sake, it's a lack of love. And with the due apologies of professional psychologists, this is a program where we do psychological therapy. No, no, it's a total catharsis. I've never talked about these things with my parents, with my nanny, with my wife.

For me, what I do is what I do. When you relive what you are, what you have lived, the environment, there is a catharsis because you discover who you really are. I liked the last part that my dad said. There are people who find out, I feel very Ecuadorian, very Ecuadorian. There are many ways to be Ecuadorian.

Sometimes people say, "But you have a foreign name." "Oh, and your dad's a gringo." "You're not from Ecuador."

And listen to my dad. My dad lived here for 40 years, more than 40 years in Ecuador. And my dad is more Ecuadorian than anyone. He loves everything. He said to me with tears in his eyes, I'm Ecuadorian because now I have the nationality. And with tears in his eyes. So it's really another thing. He's one of those gringos who came... Gringito, you have to say. You have to say gringito. One of those gringitos who came and found things that...

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from the sweetness of the people, from the flavors. There are many reasons to stay here. And that's the result. Then the Yalals are born. So, please, then, foreigners, don't come. The results are these. So, please, it's a call to all foreigners. Take care. Yes. No, that's what happens. Let's go to a very brief break. We'll be right back with Yalal Dubois, here in the Pandora's Box. We'll be right back.

In the next video, Yalal Dubois talks about humor and doesn't stop making people laugh. For me, it's more of a compliment that they tell me that I'm very faithful. We're back.

When Yalal was in the center of Quito, I think, a nun came up to him. An old lady. Yes, but she could have been a nun. And she said, "Look, sir, you're so ugly that you shouldn't..." "You're too ugly to be on television." That's what she literally said. But it's true. And you were doing... It's true. I said, "No, I have no problem with telling the truth."

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And it's very Ecuadorian, too. It's like... I don't remember who said it, but... What's a Swiss going to laugh about? That the train arrived three seconds late. We're missing something. We laugh about the calamities that have happened to us. So it's very Ecuadorian, that ability to laugh about the same thing. But that also gives you the tools to question other things. Because you're not saying, I'm so...

big, so cool, so good, I say something against, but I say something about you, we laugh together, that's the important thing. Now that from psychology, since you are a psychologist, you must have an explanation. Must have, you will ask those psychologists. Being sufficiently safe, responsible, generous, I would also say, laughing at myself, that is much smarter than laughing at the other.

Well, it's a form. And in that, Rodrigo and I got together very well. Because that was the premise. The premise was never to make fun of people. We saw that a lot of the humor was, I don't know, seeing that, "Oh, look, he had a moon on the other side of the... Oh, then I'll tell you, the moon's front." I don't know, anything. Chowchera's mouth, Sastre's nose. All those things we've had.

And for me that's the obvious, that's the easy part. If they tell me, "You look like Shaggy, you look like Chewbacca." Yes, I look like him, what can I say no to? And you've started to examine the humor that our country has had. There have been several stages, right? Of course, but it's been going up. We've also changed culturally.

Maybe not long ago, I was just watching "Mis Adorables Entenados" and I thought that was the beginning of the change of Ecuadorian television and it was interrupted. But I saw and it had very racist jokes. It had jokes, well, for example, characters smoked on TV. I don't know, they had very sexist jokes.

Much more than what we see in certain shows now. -Homophobes. -Homophobes, totally. But we're evolving. When I was a kid, I would go out with a disc to kill birds in my head. I had loving parents, but they didn't encourage me to go out and kill birds. I never killed anyone, because I think I killed one and died.

But now, for example, I tell my daughter,

"Hey, take something, an artifact that serves to kill another living being." And you end up thinking, "What's wrong with you? What are you talking about?" So, I think we're really evolving, and so has the humor. I wouldn't say it's better or worse, but I think there's a salchiteña that has remained. We've defined it as this rebounding humor. It's not about sitting down and telling jokes, although there are good jokes here. I'm a bad joke for a joke. But...

It's this thing that if you say something, I'll answer you. So we make a robot humor. Very good. That's the real humor, and that's the real Quito humor. The Quito salt. We're looking for information on what you have here, what we've prepared for you. Recreation, feeling, spirit. Where do you want to go, Yalal? Where do we go?

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I told you!

I did tell you. But how? I did tell you. There you go. So you don't hear it. And that's when the lady... Rodrigo and I, when we just started the radio, with student salary, we paid for our space on Latino radio. We literally ate our t-shirts. We were very poor. I remember a brand of drink came from a waiter and said, "I'll pay you two nukes a month. If you only have to go, take a little cap." We said no.

And they were like, "But how? It's just a drink." Well, it's not just a drink. There's a terrible attitude towards the drink of destruction. We're not TV stars. We have to look for our niche. And I think what it was good for was being authentic. Just like you see us on TV, we can be at home. Tell them, there's a story that here, Mr. Sposer Rodrigo does a hairdresser.

and they only knew that she was the wife of the van. So in the imagination of the guys of the hairdresser, they were married to me. Then the guy comes out and as you can see, he's just like Rodrigo, only in FM. So, he's on fire. He's not as hot as he is on fire. So, he arrives and says, "I'm going to tell him that I'm just like the other guy."

I think the important thing is what you say, always. Television is for that, to communicate, to say things. And sometimes I do think that television is full of appearance, not content, of background. We always had background, always had background. "Patrulla de Antifugados" was a literal enunciate against schools, not against teachers.

So much so that if the school didn't use that opportunity to educate with love, we wouldn't give him the egg. The bad thing is that he didn't come and said, "I'm going to go back to the next class." But now he's close. He's already personalized. Applause! What would you say to your colleagues? That don't get fired. Thank you very much, now yes. What we could question is whether we achieved it or not. Our intention has always been to communicate something.

And while there are people who are eager to hear what we have to say, not us, our product, we will leave it there.

- There it is. Of course, we identify you as the protagonist of the Kombi, but we're missing Rodrigo here, right? - Yes, we are... - Your brother-in-law. - We've been told that we look like Mormons because we always go in pairs. - In pairs, right? - Yes. But yes, that's the way we are. Again, this rebound is what helps us

What has linked you both so much? Well, I think it's being honest, as Rodrigo said. Being clear about what we want to do. Also, something that we said... They were colleagues. Well, he was two years older than me at the university because I got a sabbatical year before entering the university and he is a year older than me, so he graduated and everything.

More than that, more than university colleagues, what these desire to do something more than that and to be sincere, to be real, neither of them

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You're not going to be on TV again. I have to see what I do and nothing happens. Maybe you're dedicated to treating mental illness, right?

Well, people with different abilities. That's the correct term. Madness is another thing. I haven't talked about madness. That's why, but we talk about mental illnesses and sometimes we don't understand the mental illness. We are easy to put labels. And what should be said?

I don't know, a person who talks to you about different things. When I had my clinic, I talked to the person. So if Rodolfo came to talk to Rodolfo, I didn't talk to my schizophrenic patient. It wasn't because...

And that's how each one has their own story. But I suppose that vision of talking to the sick is a very old vision, right? No, no, no, no, no, no. It still exists in that time. Yes, there is one, if we go through those, there are things that forced me to put a blanket, for example, in the psychiatric. They forced me to put a blanket first to differentiate who is the doctor and who is the sick, who is the user.

So I got into it, but we worked with painting as an alternative therapy to treat schizophrenia. - So... - You were full of paint. I was with a blanket, but full of paint. We'll take a break and come back soon because we want to talk about this proposal that Rodrigo Padilla and Yalal Dungua have. This television, this radio, where other topics that we don't usually find in the program are addressed. We'll be right back.

When we return, the Yalal promoter of musical shows explains why his attachment to music made in Ecuador. We hate national talent, we love good music made in Ecuador. We are back, sharing with Yalal Dubois. Yalal, you have raised, I told you before the cut, a different television and radio, a different proposal.

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I think we don't tell ourselves on TV. Same as in music. And this is a very Ecuadorian question, to believe that what's out there is better. So, for example, I agree with the one-on-one law on the radio, on music, but at the same time I say that it's sad that we had to reach a law to listen to ourselves on the radio. - Of course. - So... And why do you think we reached that?

Because we have come to the law. I think there are decisions and there is something called political will. But when would it not have been necessary?

when we would have had a culture of listening to ourselves. And in fact we listen to ourselves, we just pretend not to listen to ourselves. It's like saying, "What's your favorite food?" "The filet mignon." But in reality I like the guava. We try to do something that we are not. And we are unfair to ourselves. Now that it's done one by one, I know on some radios that...

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to play him one song on Monday, another song on Wednesday, and another on Sunday, and there it is. So you think there hasn't been a sense of nationality, but I would say, additionally to that, I think there has also been a lack of quality production. Yes, but it's not out of the hand. We should include ourselves, but with quality. Okay. Now, on the radio program, we always say, we hate national talent, we love the good music made in Ecuador.

because that's the other point. We're not going to put ourselves on the radio simply because that's the other thing that happens. We put it because it's Ecuadorianito. "Roc, Amarillo, Azul y Rojo, Talento Nacional, apoyando." And it doesn't mean anything. And we put, with respect to Contravía, which is a band, but we put "Why don't you see if I live in Tel Aviv as if it were the success of the moment?"

because there is no more. The radio station did not try to find new excellent bands that are coming out. And I'm only talking about independent music. Maybe for a specifically commercial concept, because they want to invest little and collect a lot. Yes, but in what sense? Again, I'm going to give another example. Marc Anthony, it costs $100,000 to bring him here to a concert. That's what he charges. Plus production and everything.

What would happen if we promoted Sudakaya, a band that doesn't exist anymore, but any Ecuadorian band. Maybe it doesn't cost me 100,000, it costs me 20,000.

and the same in a stadium if we had the same promotion. So, really, in the sense of business, it's not even that. It's really about seeing and listening to each other. Guardarraia sounds like Quito to me. I mean, I listen to Guardarraia and it's Quito. Bjorn Borg sounds like Quito to me. I listen to Los Corrientes and it sounds like Guayaquil. Lucho Rueda is a Guayaquil in Pedernido. So, for me, there's the city in music, right?

So it's another way of telling us. And we're not doing that. We're not doing that. And has the law been used to transform? Well, as they say, the law is set, the trap is set. It's not regulated yet. There's no regulation. So right now it's only, I don't know, 30, 70 or something. And that's the difference. I don't care about my radio program. When they said one by one, what we said is, ah, then we have to put more international artists to be in the show.

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all the festival, let's say, it is recorded in audio and you notice a difference between the band, not all of them, but between an international band and a local band. Why is there a difference? The international band has been playing 14 concerts the same, already playing, it was not rehearsing, it was playing 14 shows the same and it came here and it is number 15. Just a reprise. Exactly, so it comes with a way and that is what it is dedicated to.

The band here has to ask for permission to work, has to see what time they rehearse, and for the Quito Fest, luckily, they rehearsed a month in a row, three times a week, five times a week. I remember a famous group of the new song,

an Ecuadorian group, one of the members of his public office had to flee to be able to be in a recording. That's what you're saying. That happens, and that's because there is no industry, we don't want to pay for Ecuadorian music. We believe that we do a favor to the Ecuadorian musician by paying for the music.

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A child with curious eyes, with open hands, with a kind heart. Despite being a child, I remember that I was so overwhelmed because everyone already knew each other and I was the new one. And he approached me and said, "Do you want to be my friend?" I think that Yalal was always a guy who expressed a lot of capacity to communicate with people.

his interpersonal intelligence was very developed and I consider that that's why he is a successful guy in what he does today. He already in first, second, third year of high school, he became a very expressive guy, very critical, very... very owner of his own style to express his opinions about the things he looked at. I saw Yalal transform from a child to a suspicious, lively teenager

against the norm in the sense of not wanting to cut his hair Samuel, his father, also supported him in that because he said, well, he is not complying with anything, it is simply that he wants to have his identity that way. No one would imagine that Yalal was someone different to get attention at a public level, but Yalal was always that spontaneity that he has always had, he has always had it.

He was always like he is now, a guy who said his truths but always in a humorous frame and he made his message, many times, received by him as a very good talent, he took very well into account what he said. Yalales of those children who enter your class and stay forever in your heart, in your mind and in your life. It's fine, nice concepts, huh? Nice and it's funny because I...

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Francisco Topanda, who is the motto of Professor Zec, "Don't stop, keep going." But he also followed us. He was also very funny that day and he commented a lot. There you decide to have long hair, right? Well, yes, yes. Does that generate any conflict or not? Totally. And what happens? I mean, I like reason. That's part of... In the Feb High, when we talk about...

"You are Baha'i, that's different." The first thing they ask me is, "What can't you do?" "What are they forbidding you?" And really, the concept of laws and precepts in the Baha'i faith is different. You do things for knowledge and love. And that's how I was raised. So for me, that someone, I won't say the name out of respect for the person, but someone of authority in the school,

with four hairs on his head, bald, over here, telling me that his long hair is dirty, it doesn't make sense. - It would cause a conflict. - Totally. More than anything, give me another argument. They wanted this uniformity and that didn't fit me. Where does your critical spirit come from? I suppose it's in the home. Yes, my dad is from... My mom never left either. My mom is one of those people who never left anything. She...

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I was wondering. Well, now, Sandu Boa can say whatever he wants because he's here. He's here to surprise our guest, his son, Yalal. Well, he has a guitar and that's the basis of all the criticism. If you play the one against the bank, that's it.

Thank you Sam for coming. Thank you for inviting me. It's not going to be a protest song, but a polycultural international song. Because it's a song written by a gringo for his Ecuadorian son and there are parts in Quechua. So let's do the Quechua class. Because they're going to say, I don't know Quechua. What is Wawa?

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- Chaupi, a little bit. - A little bit, half a quote, a little bit. So we are psychologically and linguistically prepared. It's the modification of a song. Let's see if the one who has the intellectual property of this old folkloric song can catch me.

Mucha mucha guay guay guay Mucha mucha guay guay guay Dame tu chaupi mucha Dame tu chaupi mucha Si a tu mami tan le diste Si a tu mami tan le diste Por que no tanga el papa Por que no tanga el papa Mucha mucha guay guay guay Dame tu chaupi mucha

Very good, Sam. People will ask, you arrived 42 years ago, why Ecuador? We ask you in steps. Because the University of New Mexico, in Mishakta, had a program called "Quién Quito". So I had thought of going to live somewhere else.

And my parents said, "Go to the university." So that's where the bullet went through his throat because the U sent me here. Well, thank you very much, Sam, for coming. We'll keep talking about your son's story, where you reflect as well. Perfect. Would it be good to broadcast a hug with my little son? Of course. Come, come. It's important, but...

Un abrazo fortísimo. Padre e hijo que se encuentran aquí en su historia.

I'm sorry.

In the last block, Yalal will talk about his religious faith. My dad knows how to say that there are only two types of people in the world, the Baha'is and the friends of the Baha'is. We see each other with everyone. A beautiful encounter, the one we just witnessed. Thank you very much. Sometimes I think, but it's the dad. Yes, my dad doesn't live here, he lives in Loja, so I don't see him.

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Speaking of songs, when he sang that song, he asked me about where the "contra" comes from. My dad had these things where he composed this song that I once sang in a program dedicated to a bank. I sang it to a public service.

So I learned sarcasm. I learned to be a bias. Not go, "Hey, what's wrong with you?"

- Well, it seems that... - And you know, one thing, a conclusion that we can also have from this is that, finally, children are, in great measure, what parents are. - They guided us, we see them, and there is also the responsibility of being parents. That thing that I say, that I try to remember every time I'm with my daughters, for example, talking about dads, I never saw my dads wagging.

I never saw my grandpas being beaten up, or being beaten up by a choloafan eating the bed. They were always doing something. So when I feel like beating them up, I say, "No, Faber, hold on. Let's do something." Sure. You have a story behind you, and they're your parents. Very good. Look, there's something else. -The last one. -Spirit. You're very spiritual.

We are spiritual, I believe, human beings. We have... But you in particular. He made you a practice. You have the Bahá'í religion that covers you, that leads you. Well, it teaches you. It teaches you. Yes, it teaches me, I believe. Well, let's see what it's about. The avispero was born in 2010 as a group of friends. In 2012 we make a census, they make a census to see how many despises there are in Quito.

and there I integrate myself. There they know me, I go to the club, I come for a while. Now the average is 20, 25 motorcycles, up to 30 motorcycles every Thursday. Apart from riding the motorcycle, which is super fun, exciting, sharing your experiences with people who have your same passion is the most beautiful thing that has ever happened. I have known a lot of beautiful people for two years that I have been riding the motorcycle.

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They are not the bikes that run, they are not the bikes for racing and I like that. They are the bikes for friendly transport. You may not be able to go very fast, but you can take seven shopping bags. Our bikes are not like a bike to go very fast, but rather to go quiet, to enjoy the landscape, to enjoy the ride, to enjoy the friends.

There it is, one of our guest's hobbies. I like it, I like it. It's a nice club, El Avispero. It's, as you said, it's... And it has to do with... We talked about my faith. It's funny because Baha'u'llah, the founder of the Bahá'í faith, says that the solution to the world is when we all unite in a universal cause, in a common faith.

not forcing, "I have the truth," but when we realize that by giving ourselves a hand we will persist, if not by kicking, we will not do anything. It is a matter of community and acceptance of the different. In fact, the differences, as Baha'u'llah said, the unit of diversity is a Baha'i concept.

The differences unite us, they don't separate us. That we are different is precisely the good thing about this life. We are not homogeneous. And that's what I like about the Habispero, because everyone has their own different way of riding, they have different political thoughts, tastes, some are executives, others are designers, others are anything.

But one thing, you talk about iron, I don't go out much, I don't go out much on the weekend, I like to go out with them a lot. But I don't go out... What do you do? We go for a walk. Yes, we go for walks, nights, really on Thursdays we meet. And more than anything, you know the city, you know people, and you end up sharing a meal with everyone. But...

That's it, sharing and being supportive. I asked the team at the Caja Pandora to look at you in the Baha'i's field. You go to a place of prayer. What happens? First of all, the Baha'i don't have priests or clergy.

So, that's something good because Baha'u'llah came with this concept of free investigation of the truth. And I am Baha'i because I want to, despite my parents being Baha'i. They never forced me to be Baha'i. And your children are Baha'i? Your wife? I have to ask them. My wife is not Baha'i. My wife is Catholic. But it's precisely that. But you can live in peace, right? That's very important. Baha'u'llah says that if religion is made to disunite, it's better that it doesn't exist.

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But we don't have priests. With the free messiahship of the truth, we have the freedom to investigate, to know, with faith. We believe that faith is an action-based knowledge.

It's not just something blind or something that's a dogma or something like that. For example, questioning my faith is positive. In the sense that a principle of the Bahá'í faith is the equality of rights and opportunities between men and women. I have faith because it's a knowledge that this is true.

because they teach me. Both men and women, Baha'u'llah says that humanity is like a bird with two wings. One is the man, the other is the woman. If one wing is broken or doesn't exist, humanity can't fly that easily. So I can question, I say, how so? How so? For what? To reach the same conclusion? I say, yes. We need equality of rights and freedoms between men and women. A society free of prejudices.

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I haven't done enough to be here. No, no, on the contrary, you've done good things. No, no, I haven't done anything. The problem is that I haven't done anything and really, this I say without false modesty, I think the key to success is not to know, but to surround yourself with people who know. And I'm surrounded by all the people who know. And the key to success is also to answer the question that we formulate. Yeah, let's see, I do know. Let's see, let's see. What is the value of the fine for urinating in public space? I don't know.

- Ah. - That's the answer. I don't know. 70.80, 58.40, 63.30, 160. - Let's see, it's a percentage. - I would ask you for the value and also a message to those who continue to dirty the streets of the country. I'm going to give two messages here.

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So I would say 58. Let's see what the system says.

- 70% - 20% 70.80% So when I recorded it was the same, but when I recorded it was 312% And those who keep on urinating?

It's not... It's simply because of the vagrancy and the evil. They always give us excuses. The Ecuadorian never does anything. Please, let's be aware of what we do. Yes, I'm urinating. I'm going to change. Very good. Thank you.

Juan Cordero, un invitado extraordinario. Muy enriquecedor su contenido. Gracias. Rebeca Cortés.