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Okay, Sunday morning CBS Face the
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Nation. Margaret Brennan is interviewing
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Senator Lindsey Graham, one of the most
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consistently hawkish voices on Iran in
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the entire Senate. A man who has spent
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years pushing for exactly the kind of
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pressure campaign that led to this war
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in the first place. This is not a
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senator who shows up on Sunday shows to
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undermine his own party's foreign policy
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for fun. And when Brennan asks him about
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the deal his own president just signed,
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the 14-point memorandum ending the war
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with Iran, Graham doesn't hedge. He says
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let's try the diplomatic solution. And
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then almost in the same breath, he says
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he thinks it's going to fail. Not might
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fail, not could run into problems, going
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to fail. And then he says something even
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more specific. If it does fail, he
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expects Trump to take the Strait of
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Hormuz over by force and charge a fee
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for passage through it. That's not an
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opposition senator trying to score
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points against a White House he
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dislikes. That's one of Trump's own
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staunchest allies on national television
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eight days after the signing ceremony
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telling the country the backup plan for
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this peace deal is military seizure of
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the world's most important oil choke
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point. Eight days. Not eight months of
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slow erosion, not a gradual unraveling
1:13
anyone could see coming gently. Eight
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days and the man who has spent years
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arguing for maximum pressure on Iran is
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already describing what comes after
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diplomacy fails in the past tense as if
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it's already decided. And while that
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interview was airing halfway around the
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world at the G7 summit in France, Trump
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was busy denying that one of the central
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provisions of his own signed agreement
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I want to argue to you today that those
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two things happening within the same
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news cycle aren't a coincidence. They're
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the same flaw showing up twice in one
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weekend. Okay, let's get into it. The
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Hill ran the Graham interview straight,
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framing it as a senior Republican
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publicly predicting failure for his own
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administration's signature foreign
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policy achievement. Vance, meanwhile,
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was out praising what he called a
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record-breaking flow of oil through the
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Strait, insisting there was no evidence
2:07
Iran had actually shut anything down,
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even as Iranian officials kept pointing
2:11
to continued Israeli attacks on Southern
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Lebanon as their justification for
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keeping the pressure on. Energy
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Secretary Chris Wright went even further
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into the specifics, telling reporters
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that 67 ships had passed Strait on
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Saturday alone, with another 55 vessels
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making it through a separate southern
2:30
route on Friday with the help of US
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military escorts. And former Vice
2:34
President Mike Pence, a man who spent
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four years as Trump's own running mate,
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summarized the whole agreement in five
2:42
words that are now getting repeated
2:43
everywhere. A plan to make a plan. Okay,
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four different reactions from four
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people who all, in theory, want this
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administration to succeed. A senator
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predicting failure and naming the
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military fallback, a vice president
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praising the numbers, an energy
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secretary counting ships one by one like
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a man trying to convince you a glass is
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full when you can see exactly how much
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water is actually in it, and a former
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vice president dismissing the entire
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document as not really a plan at all.
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The wrong question, the one almost every
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outlet is asking is whether this deal
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will hold. The right question is why the
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people who should be its loudest
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defenders can't even agree.
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Eight days in on what was actually
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signed or whether it's already failing.
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And today, I'm going to show you three
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things. First, the actual contradiction
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sitting at the center of this deal, the
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one Trump himself created over the
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weekend. Second, why Graham's failure
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prediction matters specifically because
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of who's making it, not just what he
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said. And third, why this exact failure
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mode, a government publicly disowning
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the terms of a document it signed, has a
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long and not particularly reassuring
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history. Does that make sense? All
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right, let's go one at a time. First, I
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need to give you a framework because
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once you see this pattern, you'll notice
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it everywhere in this deal. I call it
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the Schrodinger clause. You've probably
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heard of the famous thought experiment,
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a cat sealed in a box with a mechanism
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that might or might not have killed it,
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and until somebody actually opens the
4:17
box and looks, the cat is treated as
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being simultaneously both alive and dead
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The point of the experiment was to
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describe something strange about quantum
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physics, but it turns out to describe
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something just as strange about
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A Schrodinger clause is a provision in a
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signed agreement that exists and doesn't
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exist at the same time, depending
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entirely on who's asking and what it
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costs the person answering to admit it's
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real. The clause is sitting right there
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in the document in plain text for anyone
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to read, but whether it counts as a real
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commitment changes from sentence to
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sentence depending on whether
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acknowledging it helps or hurts the
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person being asked about it that day.
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Move one, the $300 billion fund. One of
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the 14 points in the memorandum states
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plainly that the United States
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undertakes with regional partners to
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develop a definitive plan with at least
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for the reconstruction and economic
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development of Iran. That's not a rumor.
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That's not a leak. That's literal text
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inside the document Trump's own
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administration negotiated and signed,
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the kind of specific quantified
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commitment that doesn't end up in a
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14-point memorandum by accident. Numbers
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that precise get fought over line by
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line during negotiations precisely
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because everyone involved knows exactly
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how much weight they'll carry afterward.
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And at the G7 Summit in Evian-les-Bains,
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when reporters asked him about it, Trump
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dismissed the entire thing as fake news,
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insisting the United States has no
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involvement in any such fund and isn't
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investing in Iran at all, framing it
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instead as something private investors
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might choose to do entirely on their own
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with no American government role
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whatsoever. He asked the reporters
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directly, "Do you want me to say
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nobody's ever allowed to invest in a
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country?" as if the only thing in
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dispute was whether private citizens
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have freedom to invest anywhere they
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want rather than whether his own
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in writing to develop and help arrange
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that specific funding itself. It's a
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clever rhetorical move answering a
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question about uh government commitment
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with a defense of private investment
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freedom, two completely different things
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that only sound similar if you're not
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paying close attention to which one was
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actually being asked about. This is the
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Schrödinger clause in its purest form.
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The $300 billion commitment is
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completely real when Tehran needs it to
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be real, real enough to be one of the 14
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core points Iran agreed to end a war
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over, real enough that Iranian
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negotiators reportedly pushed hard for
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that specific figure during the
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Islamabad talks, and it becomes
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completely unreal the moment Trump is
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standing in front of cameras in France
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getting asked a politically
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uncomfortable question about whether
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American taxpayers or American
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credibility are now on the hook for
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rebuilding a country that until eight
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days ago his own military was actively
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bombing. Both versions can't be true.
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Either the commitment is in the document
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and it's real or it isn't and Iran got a
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worthless promise. Right now, depending
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entirely on which press conference
7:24
you're watching, the answer to which one
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of those is true keeps changing and
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nobody in either government has bothered
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to reconcile the two versions for the
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public. Move to the open strait that
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needs military escorts. Vance's framing
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was confident, even celebratory, a
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record-breaking flow of oil, no evidence
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of Iranian closure, and the underlying
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numbers Energy Secretary Wright cited
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are genuinely real. 67 ships on Saturday
7:48
is a substantial volume of traffic, the
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kind of figure that sounds on its face
7:56
as like genuine proof the worst of this
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crisis is behind everyone. But notice
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the detail buried inside his own
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55 of those vessels needed the help of
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US military escorts to get through a
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separate southern route, not the main
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shipping channel, a work-around route
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specifically because the direct path
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apparently still isn't safe enough to
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use without armed protection. That is
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not the description of a fully reopened,
8:23
normally functioning international
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waterway. That's the description of a
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waterway that's open in the sense that
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the US Navy is currently willing to
8:30
personally walk ships through part of
8:32
it, the maritime equivalent of escorting
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children across a busy street rather
8:37
than the street simply being safe to
8:39
cross on its own. Iran, for its part,
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keeps pointing to continued Israeli
8:43
strikes in Lebanon as the reason it
8:46
hasn't fully stood down its own pressure
8:48
campaign. The exact same asterisk
8:50
doctrine pattern this series has been
8:51
tracking since the ceasefire was first
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signed, where one government insists a
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constraint is permanent and immediate
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while the other side keeps demonstrating
8:59
through action that it never fully
9:01
accepted the constraint as binding. Both
9:03
sides are technically telling the truth
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about their own version of events. The
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strait is open if you count escorted
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convoys on alternate routes as open. The
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strait is still contested
9:14
if you count the fact that escorts are
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still necessary at all, and that
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shipping insurers, the people whose
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entire job is pricing risk accurately,
9:22
rather than politically, are still
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charging premiums on this route that
9:26
reflect genuine uncertainty rather than
9:29
confidence. Move three, the credibility
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gap inside Trump's own coalition.
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Pence's five-word dismissal, a plan to
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make a plan, lands as hard as it does
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specifically because of who's saying it.
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This isn't a Democratic senator looking
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to score points before midterms. This is
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the man who stood next to Trump through
9:48
an entire first term, who has generally
9:50
been careful about how publicly he
9:52
criticizes his former running mate,
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choosing this specific deal as the
9:57
moment to go fully dismissive. Pence has
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disagreed with Trump before,
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occasionally sharply, but usually on
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matters of personal conscience or
10:05
constitutional process. Choosing to
10:08
dismiss an active foreign policy deal in
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the middle of an ongoing diplomatic
10:12
process while American troops and
10:14
diplomats are still actively engaged in
10:17
implementing it is a different kind of
10:19
statement entirely. And Graham's failure
10:21
prediction carries the same kind of
10:23
weight for the opposite reason. Graham
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has spent years as one of the loudest
10:28
voices arguing for exactly the kind of
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maximum pressure approach that led to
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this war. He was pushing for tougher
10:36
sanctions on Iran long before this
10:38
conflict started, and he's generally
10:40
been one of the administration's most
10:42
reliable defenders on national security
10:45
If anyone in the Senate should want this
10:47
deal to succeed enough to talk it up
10:49
rather than talk it down, it's him.
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Instead, he's the one telling national
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television audiences that diplomacy is
10:56
probably going to fail and naming
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specifically military seizure of the
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strait as what comes next. Essentially
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prewriting the justification for the
11:06
next phase of conflict before the
11:08
current peace has even had a chance to
11:10
be tested for more than a week. When
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your own side's most hawkish supporter
11:14
is already pricing in failure and
11:16
describing the war contingency plan out
11:18
loud, that's not normal coalition noise.
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That's a coalition that doesn't actually
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believe in the thing it just signed,
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hedging its bets in public before the
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ink has even had time to fully dry.
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Move for, and this is the detail that
11:33
ties straight back to something flagged
11:35
earlier in this series.
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Graham didn't just predict failure in
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the abstract. He specifically said that
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if the deal collapses, Trump will take
11:44
the Strait of Hormuz by force and charge
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a fee for passage through it. Think
11:48
about what that means layered on top of
11:50
everything else this series has covered.
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Iran's hardliners have spent months
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talking about managing the strait and
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collecting fees from passing ships.
11:58
Trump himself floated the idea of
12:00
American tolls on Hormuz if the 60-day
12:03
verification window collapses. And now
12:05
Graham, speaking as someone close to
12:07
this administration's actual thinking,
12:09
is describing the exact same toll booth
12:12
outcome, just with the roles reversed,
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America as the one eventually charging
12:17
the fee instead of Iran. Three different
12:19
parties, over the course of just a few
12:21
months, have all independently arrived
12:23
at the same destination, a tolled
12:25
monetized Strait of Hormuz. The only
12:27
disagreement left being whose flag flies
12:29
over the toll booth. Now, before I go
12:31
any further, I want to give you the
12:33
strongest possible argument against the
12:35
framing I've built here, because I think
12:37
it deserves a fair hearing. The case for
12:40
treating all of this as normal political
12:42
noise, rather than a fatal structural
12:44
flaw, goes like this. Lindsey Graham has
12:46
criticized nearly every diplomatic
12:49
agreement he's ever been asked about
12:51
before eventually deciding whether to
12:53
support it. And predicting failure on a
12:55
Sunday show is the kind of hedge
12:57
politicians make constantly to cover
12:59
themselves either way the deal goes. If
13:02
it succeeds, he can say he was
13:04
pleasantly surprised. If it fails, he
13:06
already called it. That's not a
13:08
courageous prediction, that's political
13:10
risk management. And treating it as some
13:12
kind of devastating insider admission
13:14
probably reads more into it than Graham
13:16
himself intended. Trump's fake news
13:19
framing might be nothing more than
13:21
standard deflection of an unpopular
13:23
detail, not a the claim that the text
13:27
doesn't exist the same way politicians
13:29
constantly downplay specifics of
13:32
agreements that poll badly without
13:35
actually repudiating them. Plenty of
13:37
leaders describe genuinely real
13:39
commitments in misleading terms when a
13:41
microphone is pointed at them and the
13:43
honest answer would cost them
13:44
domestically and that's a far more
13:47
boring and common phenomenon than a
13:49
government secretly disowning its own
13:52
treaty. And the ship count numbers, even
13:55
with the southern route caveat, are real
13:58
verifiable traffic, which is genuinely
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more than zero, genuinely more than the
14:03
total blockade that preceded this deal.
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Progress doesn't have to be total to be
14:07
real progress and demanding a fully
14:10
unescorted, completely normalized
14:13
straight within the first week of a
14:14
ceasefire might just be an unreasonably
14:17
high bar for any post-war settlement to
14:20
clear that quickly. That argument
14:22
deserves respect and parts of it are
14:24
probably right. Coalition politics are
14:28
messy and a single dismissive sound bite
14:30
from a former vice president doesn't
14:32
automatically doom an international
14:35
agreement, but here's what that argument
14:37
doesn't explain. The contradiction over
14:39
the $300 billion fund isn't a matter of
14:42
tone or emphasis. It's a binary fact
14:45
question. Either the United States
14:47
committed to help develop that funding
14:48
in writing or it didn't. Trump's own
14:50
administration negotiated that specific
14:53
point and at his own G7 press
14:55
conference, he characterized it in terms
14:57
that simply do not match the text his
14:59
own negotiators put their names on.
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That's not hedging. That's two different
15:04
governments, technically the same
15:06
government, describing the same signed
15:08
document in mutually exclusive terms
15:11
within the same week to two different
15:14
audiences who are both watching the same
15:16
news cycle in real time. I want to take
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you back about about years for the
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cleanest historical version of this
15:23
exact failure mode because a government
15:25
disowning its own treaty isn't a new
15:27
invention either. In 1919, President
15:30
Woodrow Wilson personally negotiated the
15:32
Treaty of Versailles in Paris putting
15:34
enormous political capital and his own
15:36
declining health into shaping its terms
15:39
including the League of Nations
15:40
framework he believed could prevent
15:42
future wars. He toured the country
15:44
afterward trying to sell the agreement
15:46
directly to the American public
15:48
collapsing from a stroke part way
15:50
through that effort convinced the
15:51
treaty's survival was worth risking his
15:54
own health over. He brought that treaty
15:56
home to the United States Senate
15:58
expecting ratification. Instead, the
16:00
Senate refused to ratify it twice in
16:03
votes that fell short of the required
16:05
two-thirds majority due to deep
16:07
disagreements within Wilson's own
16:09
political system about how binding
16:11
America's commitments under the treaty
16:14
should actually be particularly the
16:16
League of Nations clause that some
16:18
senators feared would drag the country
16:21
into future European wars automatically.
16:23
The result was almost absurd if you step
16:26
back and look at it plainly. The
16:28
President of the United States had
16:29
personally negotiated and signed one of
16:32
the most consequential international
16:34
agreements in modern history and his own
16:36
country's legislature simply declined to
16:38
make it binding at home. Other nations
16:41
were left trying to figure out which
16:43
version of America's commitment was the
16:45
real one, the one their own president
16:47
had signed in Paris or the one the
16:49
Senate back in Washington had just
16:50
refused to honor. The United States
16:53
never joined the League of Nations it
16:55
had helped design. France and Britain
16:58
were left holding a treaty that one of
17:01
its three primary architects had
17:03
effectively walked away from not through
17:06
any formal renegotiation but simply
17:09
through its own internal political
17:11
process refusing to follow through. Now,
17:13
look at this weekend. Trump personally
17:15
signed a 14-point memorandum with Iran,
17:18
including a specific written commitment
17:20
on reconstruction funding. And within
17:22
days, at an international summit in
17:24
front of the global press, he described
17:26
one of his own signature commitments as
17:28
something that doesn't actually exist,
17:30
while his own coalition's most hawkish
17:33
senator predicted the entire framework
17:35
would collapse into military force. The
17:38
mechanism is different. The Senate isn't
17:39
formally voting on this MOU the way it
17:42
would a treaty, but the underlying
17:44
failure is identical. A government signs
17:46
something internationally, and then
17:48
almost immediately parts of that same
17:50
government start treating the signed
17:52
document as something less than fully
17:54
real, leaving everyone else in the
17:55
world, including the other party who
17:57
agreed to it, uncertain which version of
17:59
the commitment they're actually supposed
18:01
to believe. Let me connect those two
18:03
moments directly. In 1919, the public
18:06
disagreement played out over months
18:09
through formal Senate votes that the
18:10
whole world could watch and count. In
18:12
2026, it's playing out over days through
18:16
dueling press conferences and Sunday
18:18
show interviews, but the structural
18:20
problem facing Iran right now is the
18:22
same one facing Germany and the other
18:24
Allied powers in 1919, trying to plan a
18:27
future around a commitment that the
18:29
signing government itself won't fully
18:31
stand behind in public. Iran agreed to
18:33
wind down its highly enriched uranium,
18:35
accept IAEA verification, and constrain
18:38
its regional proxy network, all in
18:40
exchange for sanctions relief and a $300
18:43
billion reconstruction
18:44
commitment that the president who signed
18:46
it is now calling fake news 3,000 miles
18:50
from the negotiating table. If you were
18:52
sitting in Tehran trying to decide
18:54
whether the rest of this deal is worth
18:56
honoring, watching that exact
18:57
contradiction play out on live
18:59
television isn't a small detail. It's
19:01
the entire question. Okay, so here's
19:04
what I want you to actually watch in the
19:06
weeks ahead, because a theory like this
19:08
is only useful if it gives you something
19:10
to check against reality. First, watch
19:12
whether the $300 billion language
19:15
survives in any future official American
19:17
statement or whether it quietly gets
19:19
renegotiated, redefined as purely
19:22
private investment, or simply stops
19:24
being mentioned by name. If the figure
19:26
disappears from White House messaging
19:28
entirely while staying in the actual MOU
19:31
text, that's the Schrödinger clause
19:33
settling permanently into its unreal
19:35
state, and Iran will have signed away
19:37
its uranium stockpile for a number
19:39
Washington to never actually intended to
19:42
honor at face value.
19:44
Watch specifically whether any Iranian
19:47
official responds publicly to Trump's
19:49
fake news comment. Because if Tehran
19:52
lets that statement pass without
19:54
challenging it, that itself tells you
19:56
something about how much faith Iran's
19:59
own negotiators ever actually placed in
20:01
that line of the agreement. Second,
20:04
watch for more Republican voices joining
20:06
Pence and Graham in publicly distancing
20:08
themselves from this deal. One
20:09
dismissive sound bite and one failure
20:11
prediction is notable. Three or four
20:13
more from senators who would normally be
20:15
expected to defend their own party's
20:17
foreign policy would tell you the
20:19
domestic coalition behind this agreement
20:21
is genuinely fracturing, not just having
20:24
an ordinary disagreement. Pay particular
20:26
attention to whether any of them start
20:28
attaching actual legislative conditions,
20:30
funding restrictions, oversight
20:32
requirements, anything with real teeth
20:34
rather than just critical statements
20:36
that cost nothing to make.
20:38
Third, watch the military escort number
20:40
specifically. If the proportion of
20:42
tanker traffic requiring US Navy escort
20:45
through the southern route keeps
20:46
shrinking month over month, that's real
20:49
evidence the strait is normalizing. If
20:51
it stays roughly constant or grows,
20:53
that's evidence the record-breaking flow
20:55
framing was describing a managed,
20:56
militarized convoy system dressed up as
20:59
an open international waterway, and that
21:01
distinction matters enormously for
21:03
global shipping insurers trying to price
21:06
risk on this route for the next several
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years. Fourth, watch whether Trump,
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Graham, or anyone else in this
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administration ever explicitly floats
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American tolling of the Strait of Hormuz
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as actual policy rather than a
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hypothetical consequence of failure.
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Graham already said the words out loud
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on national television without anyone in
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the administration rushing to walk it
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back. If that idea moves from a
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senator's prediction into a formal
21:29
proposal, the toll booth doctrine this
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series has been tracking since the early
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days of this war reaches its final,
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fully American form. And the irony of
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America building the exact mechanism it
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once condemned Iran for merely floating
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will be hard for anyone paying attention
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to miss. Let me bring this back
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together. Eight days after Trump and
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Iran signed a 14-point memorandum ending
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the war, one of Trump's most hawkish
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Senate allies went on national
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television and predicted the deal would
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fail, naming military seizure of the
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Strait of Hormuz as the likely outcome
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if it does. On the same weekend, Trump
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personally dismissed one of the
22:07
document's own core financial
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commitments as fake news, even though
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the commitment is written into the text
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he signed. His own vice president called
22:14
the resulting numbers record-breaking,
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while his own former vice president
22:18
called the whole document a plan to make
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a plan. None of that happened because
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some hidden flaw was buried deep in an
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annex nobody read. It happened because
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the flaw is the most visible thing about
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this entire agreement. A government that
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can't agree with itself about which
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parts of what it signed are actually
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real, playing out in public across
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multiple countries within the span of a
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single weekend. So, when people ask
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whether this deal is going to fail,
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I think Lindsey Graham already answered
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that question as honestly as anyone has
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all week. The more useful question, the
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one nobody's really sitting with yet, is
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what it means that the administration
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negotiating this peace can't even
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maintain a consistent story about its
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own terms for more than a few days at a
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time while the country on the other side
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of the table is taking notes on every
23:10
single contradiction deciding in real
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time exactly how much of this agreement
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it actually has to honor and exactly how
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much of it it can simply wait out the
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way Germany once waited out a treaty its
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own primary architect couldn't even get
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his own government to fully accept.
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Think about that. I'll see you in the