#ABtalks with Zlatan Ibrahimović - مع زلاتان إبراهيموفيتش | Chapter 188

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hi Zan hi um I see you twice in one

month so that's interesting and we've

never met and ever but in one month

twice once in Saudi once here yes so I'm

glad it happened um firstly how are you

really doing I'm good life is good life

is treating me

good uh obviously I stopped playing

football eight months ago different life

now I accepted to to stop football which

was a difficult thing because because of

my ego because of the way I think about

myself which I think I'm the best I'm

still the best I could continue but I

choose to stop

why I chose to stop because I wanted a

good life for my family so I wanted to

be able to do things with my sons cuz my

consequence was that I would not be able

to do the things with my son because I

had problems with my with my one of my

knees so I accepted I came to a moment

where I said it's okay let it go and

start a new chapter in your life then it

went a couple of

months I made Jerry Cardinale that works

for that is controlling the red bird

fund that bought Milan and he gave me a

offer I couldn't refuse and I started to

work with AC Milan and I'm with AC Milan

three four months and he's treating me

good I have to say um I saw a recent

podcast with tier Onre and he was

speaking about leaving football and he

said that person died the ti the

footballer died and

it made me think that sometimes we as

men or women we associate our identity

and our value with something we do so if

you're a very good father you and the

moment your kids grow up you feel your

value is gone if you're a great husband

and you're wife passes away you might

feel you're not important anymore and

footballers or Engineers or whatever

they can associate with with what they

do so when some you ask somebody what

you do like who are you you say I'm

engineer and the problem sometimes when

especially men I feel

retire they feel not visible anymore or

not as and do you see it the same way

that theory maybe that Zan the

footballer had to go now and now there's

a new I

mean where I come from where I where I

grew up I didn't change from that I

always be

myself I was successful in what what I

was doing I was getting famous I was

earning money

but I was still the same person so the

football player was me so I could be

engineer or football player I I would

still be me and I think is important

because I think people change when they

get success they get independent with

money they get a certain status in life

where they think where things becomes

easier let's be honest it's not like you

have to stay in the line in in a club

you become famous you you pass everybody

they recognize you and and in a way you

get shortcut to everything but I always

be myself I promise myself I will not

change for nothing because remember

where you come from whatever happens and

whatever is is in front of you and I

think when I stop I'm still the same

person and when you say panicking with

guys it's correct because they live a

certain life when they stop they don't

get the attention anymore so what

happens they don't have education

because when you're professional you get

it in early age you didn't get any

diploma from school you you get early

professional you go a career you come

around 30 35 I was lucky I came to 41

then your life starts but you're 40 or

you're 35 so the education is not there

so basically you're coming out to the

world but you cannot do things like

you could do when you were 20 so people

are

panicking I can imagine X players going

depression I can imagine they get panic

where people don't recognize them

anymore because you're not in the in the

moment anymore they don't get attention

so now they're looking for this

attention to be seen they go in front of

cameras they do whatever just to be seen

and have this recognition I think you

can say and when and when they don't get

it it becomes like like like a no man's

land but I always promise myself be

yourself whatever happens whatever you

do whatever you go through be yourself

so if I'm the player or not I'm still

the same guy so for me the the the

person didn't die I'm still alive trust

me if I ask you uh who are you

Zlatan I am

Zlatan I am

I am a person with I'm very confident

people call it arrogance but I'm very

confident I believe in what I'm

doing I can do mistakes when I do things

I will learn from the mistakes I can

redo a mistake I will still learn but I

believe being yourself is being perfect

I don't have this people try to make the

perfect image of me I try to make the

perfect image of me just to make just

for people to like

me is not important for me the most

important for me is the people around me

and people that is in my family they

know who I am and they like me the rest

is just a

consequence because I'm good at

something I do and that was playing

football and the whole world likes you

the whole world H recognize you but in

the end they like me for the player then

the person they don't really know

because the person you can hide behind a

field or you're just being yourself and

I choose to be myself even if I would do

mistakes even if I would do crazy things

what people would say yeah he's crazy

he's not good enough he's not good for

the image blah blah blah but I was just

being myself and then I grow from there

you get more mature you get older you

learn from things you do there is a

consequence from things you do and that

shapes the person and I have a big big

heart but I don't let people come in

because then I become weak for the

people and I don't let many people come

in in my in my zone M because then the

you have two type of person either you

meet the good guy or you meet the person

that will use you so that's why I'm very

isolated and the more popular you get

the more people who want to use you 100%

but there you have to be strong

and wise to read the person you have to

feel the situation but not many can do

it because this comes with experience it

comes with little bit intelligence so if

you're good at that you you manage to

control your childhood in three

words

suffering

hard aggressive

why was it I know I know generally that

you didn't have a easy childhood but why

did you choose those words suffering you

started suffering because I was in a

situation where I saw other kids they

could do things I could I was not able

to do economically my father did his

best to make the best thing for me but

unfortunately the economics was not on

top how I didn't have the possibilities

to do things that uh that other kids

could do let's say I I was playing

football we went on a trip where we had

to pay by ourself my father couldn't pay

sometimes he would not pay their rent

for the apartment and he would pay my

trip sometimes sometimes not I saw

kids eat candies or whatever I could not

afford it I saw them use clothes nice

clothes you know you get a little bit

older cool clothes cool Brands I could

not buy

it I tried to steal when I was able to

steal it I was not always

successful and I had a very big

discipline because my father punish me

if I would do stupid things so it was a

balance of not survival mode I would not

say because I'm still alive because

survival mode feels very hard and deep

but in that in that way I was suffering

let's say I I wanted new football shoes

I couldn't play with new because I

couldn't afford it and then you see

other kids have it mhm so that in the

term of suffering that was and hard hard

that I was not accepted like the other

ones

because I was Foreigner in Sweden so I

was judged different compared to the

Swedish people I had brown eyes I had

big nose I had brown hair typical

Swedish is blonde blue eyes and in my

world let's say the football World my

Swedish was not perfect and they didn't

accept me for who I was and I had this

cocky

style I had a big uh big mouth but that

for me was confidence because I be I

said that was the best and I really

believed I am the best and that for them

they is not normal because they are like

stay in your place stay in line don't

jump over on somebody and then this new

thing comes which is different it was

hard because I had to be better than

everybody to show myself I had to go

through things that nobody else went

through I had to break walls to be

accepted and to to open doors for the

Next Generation that came in the from

the same situation like me let's say the

second generation Swedish that has

different background and is not typical

Swedish but is the new Sweden let's

say that's hard and uh aggressive would

be

because I come from a family that we are

very aggressive so the way we show love

we don't hug and that we

are we were strong against each other my

father was aggressive against me and uh

and I became him so when he discussed

with me he didn't understand he's

discussing against himself because he

created the product so in that way the

the situation was very aggressive and

and I brought it with me in school so so

my Approach was aggressive

even if that was the way my way to show

love or positive

situation but they didn't see it like

that they see it his aggressive way of

doing things but that's the way I was

raised so it was not to

be threatful or or or being like

aggressive physically against somebody

they the mood was just like

aggressive um is like I'm curious ious

when you were this young man or teenager

or kid and you said that you're the best

in that that age Zlatan did you actually

believe you the best or it's like a

front that I need to fake it to believe

it you know no fake it till you make it

you know that saying like people think

he's an actor in front of the camera he

says things but really deep inside he's

not no no I really where I came from you

needed to be the best because it was

some kind of survival mode because

everything we did we challenge each

other you you wanted to show you were

the number one so the number one would

take his his Adventure from there and

not stay in that

whever ghetto let's say people call it

ghetto I call it home

so you needed to show you are the best

and be the best to take yourself from

there and in everything we did whatever

it was it could

be simple game easy game Crazy Game

stupid game you wanted to be the best

and in everything I did I was the best

and I had this Bulletproof Mind even if

I didn't win I'm still the best so I

convinced myself all the time in

everything I do I'm the best so that was

like talking to myself and I think in

normal life everything starts there I

cannot tell you you're the best you have

to convince yourself first that you're

the best absolutely it's like a smoker

you smoke cigarette

if you don't understand yourself you

have to stop I cannot help you you take

the first step and I will push you I

will give you the Boost is the same

thing with the mindset I believe I'm the

best then the rest follows but you have

to convince yourself if you're not

convinced other people they can give you

compliments and that but in the end when

you're alone because in the end you're

alone against everybody trust me so when

people

think I give you a perfect example when

we win big trophies when we win they go

on the stage they say thanks to my

family thanks to my friends thanks to

my

whatever the only one you have to thank

first of all is yourself because

yourself are going through everything

you're going through the stress you're

going through the whatever suffering the

training the recovery the

eating in my case you're in a stadium

there is 80,000 you come in a moment

where you

decide now I have to score in my

situation if I don't score what happens

they destroy me if I score I become the

hero the media which a big pressure

because when you play on the highest

level is a big pressure you depend you

are judged for what you do not for the

human being because you can be nice or

bad but still they destroy you if you're

nice and you're doing

bad so this there is this classic thanks

to them thing in then you have to thank

yourself because you go through it

yourself this might sound like a ego but

it's not a ego thing because I went

through it all

myself every consequence every I stand

in front of people to explain myself for

whatever action I did so the other ones

they help me they give me boost they

push me but in the end you do it

yourself that's why I say if you're

strong in your mind you go through

everything

M it's it's very true what you said that

I I mention us

you can't sell something if you don't

believe in it like people feel the

energy that you're insecure or you're

just saying it and another I think this

quote you might know I think you like it

it's when you said that you know you

have to take the first step one of my

favorite quotes is when the student is

ready the teacher will appear so I can't

teach you if you're not ready to learn

exactly but if you're ready to be the

best you can have a good coach exactly

but you can have the best coach coach

but if you're not interested it doesn't

matter you you don't even want you have

to take the first step 100% because I

believe 50% is in your head in whatever

everything we are doing athlete whatever

engineer whatever you do 50% in is in is

in your head because there is no saying

I was born a football player trust me

that's all I was born with a

football on my feet this is all to make

the story more wow or whatever like come

on you don't sell a fake story you sell

a real story hard work pays off you work

hard you

arrive

um where what was something that you

were insecure about growing

up I mean not being accepted insecure of

doing things like what people if people

would like it or not so I came in a

moment you do

things because obviously you're not

always in control because other people

has to choose you or accept you for who

you are or for how good you are and that

was not always in my hands so becoming

insecure that you will not be accepted

or or

succeed it it happened in the young

age and I was asking other players we

talk football because my world is

football so to compare and before that

because I always played football and I

was in school and that I was insecure

talking to girls because I didn't have

the confidence at that time

because I was not feeling accepted so

obviously you feel

insecure and in the football game was

like I had to show I was 10 times better

than the other ones but I was not sure

if I did the right thing so I tried to

ask other ones for guidance or whatever

but everybody said we have never we

haven't been in your situation we cannot

help you and then I realized realiz it's

all about myself if I will make it it's

up to me I will have to find my own way

so there was no way that somebody told

me go right or go left sometimes I went

right sometimes I went left and from

left I went right and so I find my own

way and I did a lot of mistakes I did a

lot of crazy things a lot of stupid

things but in the end I found my

path I became

stronger I became very strong and even

stronger and from there there was no

stopping me then I went through every

wall were you bullied a lot in school I

was and I bullied other ones

also that's why I was bullying other

ones because I I was bullied also so it

became like a defense you bully me I

bullied the third guy just to feel my

defense but I couldn't bully the guys

who bullied me but I will not exaggerate

this is not like I was bullied and going

around because I was like a I said I was

pretty aggressive and tough in school

also but it happened that I bully other

ones

and and I got bullied in different ways

they say um hurt people hurt

people could be and healed people heal

people you know but it's also an

experience because when you're young you

think different AB I

mean every five years the person change

I'm not the same guy when I was 15 I'm

not the same guy when I was 20 20 25 30

this is all experience this is all all

the consequences you go through shapes

the the person so you could be the worst

guy when you were

15 but the best in the world when you

are 25 so it's all about experience and

and this if you decide exactly you you

you go through things and yeah it shapes

you who you are so every there is a bump

in the road every time but from every

bump it shapes you everything is not

perfect people think the world is

perfect everybody's perfect everybody

tries to find this perfect world and

exist in that perfect world is not like

that it doesn't exist and now with this

social media becomes even more difficult

because they think the world is is

social media they don't understand there

is another world outside and there we

talk filter you you you live a life

through a filter that is dangerous for

me um was it I I read a bit about you I

don't like to read too much because I

don't want to go biased so I always like

to ask was there a teacher that was

brought to you as special teacher to

help you in school to do better or

something I had a teacher assistant that

helped me because they thought something

was wrong with me so and I felt very

offended because I wanted to be treated

like everybody else it's always there

when we talk about not being accepted so

I had an assistant in the class from

20 students I was the only one had

assistant because they said yeah I was a

problem child I couldn't sit still he's

aggressive he's this and made me even

more Angry it didn't help me because I

was feeling different and they made me

feel feel different and I didn't like it

and I became

more more aggressive against the person

and against my environment because they

made me feel different what was her name

I don't remember but she she remembers

my name don't worry if she's still alive

and going to watch this what would you

tell

her she would say she never thought this

will happen because I said it will

happen and they were all joking and

laughing to meh but I'm not that guy I

will put it back to them or something I

believe

in win-win situation she tried her best

somebody gave her the job to do it if

she really wanted to do it or not I

don't know but

they don't deserve me to go back against

them and hate them for me I don't work

like that I don't work I I'm happy with

with who I am about my situation and

maybe I wouldn't be here if these things

that didn't happen to me that's why I

say everything we do is a consequence

for what we become so maybe it was good

for me or not I don't know in that

moment not maybe now I say maybe it was

good for me because I became who I am so

but I don't believe in throwing back to

to the people who didn't believe in me

on that I don't give attention to them I

don't I would care less about them I

don't give them importance because they

don't deserve

it um and the

author um who co-wrote your

book which one there is many books one

of them you have many

sorry so one of them wrote that you are

a mix of a warrior because you had to be

and vulnerable is that a good

description of you as a person I think

so I think so vulnerable because I told

you I have a big heart people might not

think about it and me saying it yeah

yeah just saying it to to say it and the

warrior is the survival mode

so I think you have these balcan people

where they might seem strong and hard

which they are but with big heart M so

you might judge somebody just because

they are strong or

whatever but behind the strong and

the aggressive no but the the yeah the

toughness there is a big heart but you

just have to reach the heart and when

you reach the heart you will understand

who I am but you have to reach it and

not many reach it that's the difference

now that's why it stops there yeah he's

that he's that but they don't reach the

real the

real but it's not a weakness you cannot

say it weakness because I believe it's

strength actually yeah abely it's a

strength because if you come in you

don't lose you gain

so yeah but you have to come there which

is the hard part and then it can happen

you let people go in come in and then

you get disappointed because of things

story of my life you get disappointed

and you ask yourself you don't give the

blame to to the other person you give

the blame from yourself because you said

why was I so stupid to not understand or

to to

read the situation but we learn from

that because the next because it can

happen again so from the next time in

all these things I believe in you get

stronger you don't get weaker you get

stronger the only thing is you PID the

price for what you did before so you get

stronger

and you get more more confident because

I mean from mistakes you learn that it's

simple you don't do mistakes you don't

learn yeah and when you're failing or

when like negative things happen you

learn more than from success and good

things

happen it's it's I I relate a lot

because I also believe I have a very

small circle and the problem is some

sometimes I feel inside me like a kid

when I finally let somebody inside that

small circle I get so excited so I try

to give them everything share my family

share my love share my attention come

with me let's go because it's such a

small apartment that when finally I

allow somebody to come in that apartment

I'm like yeah but then sometimes that

hurt is the biggest hurt that you can

ever get it could be a friend but you

feel so betrayed and stupid you're like

ah like how how did this happen you feel

betrayed

but it Happ it happens it happens it's

part of the part part of the life

actually mhm but it's not only depending

on you it's depending also on the on the

opposite side yeah because I believe I

give you one chance if you don't take it

I will not give you the second because

if you didn't take the first one you

will absolutely not take the second so

that's and it's not like I'm doing a

favor it's

like more to open up yourself but one

chance not two but when you say one

chance so after would you give a person

no so they make one mistake they're out

out finish so would you think that you

don't deserve a second chance if you

made a mistake with a friend or with a

anyway one chance you don't deserve no

you don't believe people change when you

when you break a glass and you repair it

how does the glass look like not the

same but it could be repaired but not

the same could be but how does it look

clean like before no exactly M you can

shape it do whatever you want but still

you will see all the whatever you

fixed how was your um Zlatan

relationship with your mom and dad when

you were young was good was good I mean

my mom is he's a cleaner she had like we

we're a mix a big mix of family so I

have two sisters from my mother's side

bigger sister that I'm not in contact

with I have

a the smaller sister that is still older

than me that we have the same mother and

father we were the closest one and then

I had a big brother that passed away a

couple of years ago sorry then I have a

little brother that is from my mother's

side and uh so it's a big mix

but it is what it is we're nine so yeah

exactly it's part of the 2024 let's say

and

um I have good good good relationship

with my mother less with my father but

it doesn't mean he is a bad because you

have to stand the balcon I don't know

how many friends you have that is from

balcon it's big

proudness who brings food to the table

who take care of the home so obviously I

came my father created the product like

I said to you but he created himself but

I took it to to other levels in sense of

economics and that so I made more things

possible so the proudness is you don't

help me I don't need nothing when I try

to help but I still help and I and I

still do what I believe in because I

think it's important you have to do what

you believe in not what people tell you

what to do because when you do those

things always something come back

because you're being yourself and when

you do it you do it from the heart not

from the brain because when you do from

the brain you try to be too intelligent

but when you do from the heart you

really want to do

it let's say charity people send money

to charity it and they go out and they

brag with it that they help charity and

that help charity without saying nothing

then you do it from the heart and then

you do it because you really want to do

it not to look good not to get applauds

from people he's a nice guy I don't need

that I don't need that and with my

father we are the same person

proudness

confident

and and we do our own like

we do it in our own way so what happens

to golad golad the

Clash but he's still my father and he

will always be my father his name isik

orik shafik and Mom Jor yorka yulka

yulka I was I asked I called my Swedish

friend I'm like how can I say her name

yeah yeah y

y okay um why do you do all that you do

like did you ever figure out what's your

purpose why do you do everything cuz you

don't have to you could have stopped

football before you could have become a

businessman there's a purpose I mean

there is challenges in life first of all

if people is Happy around me I become

happy and that is the first question

what is happiness I believe happiness is

moments it doesn't last forever I could

be happy to sit here but in 30 minutes I

will tell you to go and yourself

for example sorry the language but you

understand what I mean you can swear as

much okay and that for me is happiness

is moments and you choose those moments

when it's happiness and that

and and I believe when people around me

my surrounding I make them

happy I become happy and then obviously

I have I had this childhood you cannot

make it you're not good enough you're

not

accepted and that for me it burns it

burns because I go against all of those

things and I will demonstrate and I will

show you that's why I have this

winner Instinct I'm a winner I will win

I will do anything to

win and I will show you how I win so for

me that for me it burns and I will not

stop until I win so I do these things I

always have this saying why

be normal when you can be the best so

when I do my things I don't want to be

normal for me normal it doesn't exist I

want to make the difference and when you

make the difference

you're are being the best so for me is a

challenge so in reality I'm fighting

against myself not against the other

ones because I want to be the best

version of myself and take me myself to

limits and and try myself that's the

purpose and not be compared with other

ones because I don't compare myself with

nobody which you shouldn't because no

there's no apple to Apple in any case

your childhood is different from another

footballer from another it's not the

same it's the same different height

different skills exactly so for me it's

just how can you be the best but I'm

never satisfied that's my problem I

cannot enjoy the moment so whatever I do

in life I have difficult to enjoy

because I seek for the new challenge

straight if that is good or not there is

two ways because people could say you

should have enjoyed while you had it or

you should enjoy it while you were

living or the same say you have a lot of

will to to achieve more so it's a mix of

everything why there is no why we do it

because we want to do it like I said to

you I choose to do it and I don't want

to stop and I believe it drives you like

a person I don't I don't believe in just

sit still and wait for other ones to do

things I want to do my own

things I smile slightly sometimes when

you talk because you don't know how much

I connect to things you say okay it's

crazy like sometimes of course we're two

different human beings but we're very

same of course I'm a freak of nature in

what I'm doing doesn't exist two types

of my type I don't want to be zatan and

you don't want to be honest we're okay

trust me I'm good where I am

um because when you're talking about

never being satisfied one of my favorite

quotes is always grateful never

satisfied and I feel it represents me

I'm grateful alhamdulillah I have good

things in my life I have a family I feel

good I feel healthy but I'm never

satisfied that and like I and I think I

will die if I am satisfied like it it

will it's but I think it drives you also

that's why it takes you to a levels that

you would not achieve if you would not

be like that so it's you as a person you

you are like that because of your roots

what you went through so it's all a

consequence from what we go through

yeah

so and then I believe your

surrounding the surrounding has to be

positive energy because like you said

your friend said or maybe he's not your

friend he came in a group and he was

pushed to do things because of the group

yeah and when the surrounding is not is

negative you become negative but at the

same time you have to be strong

because you choose to go in that group I

choose to say among positive energy yes

but if I'm around negative energy it's

because I choose it and that is you

choose and not being

satisfied like I said it can be positive

it can be negative but I think it drives

you it has to drive because it makes you

feel alive and you want to feel alive

yeah I'll rest when I'm

dead when you're dead we start to sleep

yeah for the long one um in the

co-author said that if 100 people went

through what you've been through 99

wouldn't make it so my question is how

but you're always about what other one

says what do you say that's what I'm no

what do you say I don't care what was

written in the book I want to ask you

because that's somebody wrote about you

I want to ask you ah they wrote about

what did they say that if they say a lot

of things about me and they still don't

somebody approved it somewhere so tell

me what did they say he said that if a

100 people went through what you've been

through true yes 99 wouldn't make it

like you obviously so my question is

you're talking about decisions right

yeah how did you use everything you've

gone through for you not against you

because a lot of people can be in your

shoes and be a victim oh my childood oh

this oh my school oh in Sweden nobody

except there is a thousand excuses but

used it for you let's say I'm on fire

and you put gas on fire what happens so

all these things is gas

so the fire becomes bigger and if you

want to play with fire I'll burn you so

it makes me everybody that went went

against me talk against in whatever I do

it putting gas on the fire so that makes

me it drives me more I want to do

more I want to exaggerate doing more so

it doesn't stop me it keeps me going

and people would say yeah but you

shouldn't be affected and that but

unfortunately it's not like you can be

affected in many ways depends how you

use it I use it as a fuel to do more

people break from it people get affected

by by it in a negative way because they

go yeah they write a comment about me in

social media whatever yeah but you know

social media is about comments

also so if you know that will happen why

are you reading it you think the world

is perfect from 10 comments you think 10

comments is wow is that like like that

because you have jealousy you have

people that whatever you're doing they

want to break you they want to go

whatever against you just to put you

down and that from 10 people not 10 want

to do that things and and give you

clapping hands or give you count

compliments that's why I say when you

say some talk bad about you some talk

good but when they talk bad you're doing

a good job my friend trust me I went

through all of this even if we were same

age but I talk with experience yeah you

have way more um like if I got 1%

criticism you got 100 but I I prefer to

be hated than loved I will be honest to

you because when they say they love you

you don't really know when they say they

hate you trust me they hate you it's

true that is it's at least honest

exactly um

bro you tried to go in my brain now e

tried to come in my head there's

something I liked bro I'm flying I'm not

working people they walk I fly I will

fly with you I will bring you under my

wings my

friend I'll fly next to

you

um you said that uh anger really helped

you to play well is this true yes it

keeps me on my toes because it makes me

connect better it makes me be on my toes

it makes me become more at pay

attention it it it drives me cuz when I

was not angry I was too relaxed so I

just needed a trigger point and in the

beginning I didn't find it because I

used anger in a stupid way because I

would get a red card I would do

something stupid that was a consequence

against me then I made anger to improve

my game because I was wasting energy in

the beginning like getting angry then I

changed because like I told you I was in

a aggressive environment so wherever I

come my Approach was

aggressive and that

anger in the beginning was going against

me but then I started to

learn and I made it my friend and then

we connected and then I used it

like like a ability in uh in making me

better and then when I was not angry

instead of other ones make me angry I

was looking for the anger so I was

trying to get the trigger points M just

to create a situation and then then

became different Michael Jordan used to

do that I don't know yeah I saw his

documentary obviously I don't know him

personally but obviously I was very

judged by everything I did yeah

teammates that he's the worst teammates

he's the best you cannot play with himam

he's aggressive he's put pressure on you

and that then I saw the last dance and

then I was very happy I was smiling just

like you do now because that is exactly

what describes the mindset mentality and

a winner because he wanted to bring the

the situation to another dimension and

that is what I try to do you don't drag

me down I will drag you up and that is

what he did because he was a winner and

winners they are like that so it's all

about either are you fly with me or you

or you fall down you

choose yeah I believe and I believe

sometimes people and I remember maybe

one of the few I love that documentary

and one of the few moments he got really

emotional which is rare he said um they

like they used to think I'm not a good

teammate or I'm pushing I'm very cruel I

just wanted them to win exactly but if

you're not understanding what I'm trying

to do as a bigger picture because I'm

trying to tell you I'll win with you

I'll make you a champion just work with

me so that's why I'm being hard on you

but it not it's not always go exactly it

doesn't always go in your way because

people come from different environment I

tell

you I came from very aggressive

environment and I was that person but I

didn't mean I wanted you bet it mean I

was like that obviously you Collide you

go along with

some but always you're judged by

by by the short moment instead of the

long purpose

did you ever regret a club move no I

don't believe in that I believe in

destiny whatever happens should happen I

swear if you watch an interview of me

it's like I should just put my sentences

and we'll complete this interview bro

there's only one L I

swear I can sit here three days with you

that's good news but bro trust me one

hour you I give you effective sign

because I believe in long terms you get

tired and in the end you're repeating

your words you're but you don't get my

questions every day yeah but you think

too much okay I'll remove the thinking

no you are a thinker no I mean in the in

the final no but I mean now you're a

thinker I am I don't like stupid

questions no there is no stupid

questions trust me a question is

question because you want answers

whatever question you do there is an

answer okay then next question but you

try to study me don't do that I swear

I'm just curious I'm a curious human

Okay um who's Dr Freddy Fu ah Freddy Fu

was became my friend and in a way he

saved my career because when I got

injured I got a very bad injury in

Manchester United I got a multi- injury

same thing there when I got injured in

my mind I was not injured because I said

to myself no no everything is okay and

everybody said no HRA this is this is a

very bad injury no no everything is good

and I tried to prove them that I could

walk that everything was okay in the

moment of the heat because a lot of

adrenaline so when the adrenaline is

there obviously you don't feel the the

same when the adrenaline is not

there so the day after I come no

everything is good do it

check it's all broke inside the knee

so this is my first major injury and I

have never been injured in that that

kind of injury so people said six months

one year one and a half year and for me

this is now this is hard because I never

this is like drowning me and I never

been drowned before because I like to be

in

control I feel I'm like Untouchable in a

way that nothing will happen to me

because of my confidence because of my

ego because

of the way I am and I'm not in control

now cuz now there is a situation I have

to go through he more mental will I

make it will I not and remember when I

said guess on fire so everybody starts

now I'm 35 years old

36 36 and a half my career is over I

will never come back I will never make

it this is over finished too old ah my

friend now they're teasing now they're

burning they're getting burned because

and I'm not the guy who will go out out

and say you will

see cuz one thing is you talk and one

thing you show cuz I I prefer to work in

silence but I will perform in violence

that is my Approach and when I perform I

will show you but not by people think he

has a big mouth and that because I work

hard what people underestimate me for I

work very hard

and and not saying to you like everybody

says I'm the first in training and I go

out last in training but what does it

mean you can come first drink coffee

until you go home and let you have to

really show that you're working so I met

Freddy and know we were talking around

me and my manager

minola who would be the doctor to to do

the operation because we got a call from

the whole world now everybody wants to

operate me but they don't even know what

I have

which which for me was very strange

because with these things you don't joke

you don't play around so we inform

ourself who would be the best and Freddy

Fu came in the

picture said okay from because we gave

10

persons a a task let's say give me three

names who could operate a multi- injury

so not only one injury like

multi and from all 10 one name was in

all the

10 answers and that was Fredy fo we

called him the next day we we travel we

come to him

4:00 in the morning they were all in a

road said we can do it tomorrow also no

no no we do all everything now the test

everything and

obviously you get a opinion only you're

not deciding so wherever you go you get

a opinion but you need a first opinion

second third so you

feel

confident who will do it for you because

it's a big

responsibility but it felt confident

from the first minute when I met him

because when he

talk he look in my eyes first second

afterwards he was not looking at me

anymore he was walking around I was like

this guy's crazy what is he doing he was

talking we will do like this we will do

that we will do that blah blah blah you

will come back blah blah basically he

was talking to himself but still the

voice was against me and I said this

guy because all genius they said they're

crazy and I said this crazy CRA guy he's

the right guy I felt immediately he's

the

one and

then and then there is a funny story and

because he said to me I don't operate

humans only I operate animals also so I

said perfect I'm in good hands because I

am an

animal become little bit joke because

obviously the situation was very

hard I get operated the day I get

operated he said we wait one week

said okay I'm in Pittsburgh because the

office was in

Pittsburgh after two days he called me

he said tomorrow we operate and I look

tomorrow it's only past two days you

said one week I had a dream I have to

operate you tomorrow I was like I'm

not a crazy guy I meet now but I believe

in this because like I said before it's

Destiny he said wait outside the

hospital 4 o'clock in the morning said

okay me and Mino we're outside he picks

me

up like the story doesn't doesn't end he

brings me to the

hospital he goes prepare I go whatever

do to clean and that he

comes and in the day of the operation

he's just looking at

me and I'm like oh this

guy I already decide but I said this

guyy is not normal because he's making

me now feel like what's going on because

many want to have proudness to just to

operate and then they don't know not

like they don't know they don't care

about the outcome because the operation

is as important as the

rehab he just look at me look at

me the guy he was carrying me in a way

that I put my career let's say in his

hands and then he operate and that we

finish and then it's a long story I make

sure he fixed everything in my knee he

said trust me you will come back and you

will be as strong as before and that for

me is important because

now you give me words that I can believe

in instead of me finding my own like I

said to you you pump yourself you

convince yourself instead he said to me

you will be as strong as before and now

but it's up to you because of the re

rehab and I went through through a rehab

that was a mental training I never did

before but I believe in those things

like I said before in a bad situation

you become stronger than in a good

situation I came back I start to play my

game again and and unfortunately Freddy

fui passed

away couple of years ago and was a sad

moment for me

because he said he gave me a second life

in my

career and I'm not sure I would have

that if if it was not for him so I'm

very thanksful for him for what he did

for me and I will always he will always

be remembered in my career MH

so or less like

this I'll ask you a favor can I get 1990

minutes cuz I have a lot you're

negotiating now if you can how long is a

movie usually yeah nowadays goes up to 2

hours but usually we go for 90 90 minute

you're on Netflix yeah how long is on

Netflix depends which movie Heimer is

three you're ready for three yeah but

you fall asleep after 1 here you don't

fall asleep I told you 1 hour effective

time but I will give you 90 minutes

alhamdulillah okay um because I will

save your

show because I will bring you the real

deal not like the other on they will

tell you what you want to hear I will

tell you the what's the real story you

have one more compliment that's not a

compliment that's fact have one more

fact it's coming keep going what does

success mean to you

what is success depending what you

believe is success for me success people

think I'm successful just because I

became a football player but successful

can be many

things depends what what you're aiming

for what your objective is in life I

mean Successful People would say I make

I give food to my family you're also

successful there successful would be I

made it from my neighbor Hood but for

me if we talk about my neighborhood for

me my neighborhood was Paradise I was

feeling good I was feeling home I would

prefer to live there than where I live

today now I live where I live because of

my situation of life but there I was

feeling home here I feel home but not in

the same way so what is success whatever

you choose it to

be what do you this is also success

because you made me come here so for you

is a big success and for you for me I'm

schooling

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you okay

Zan what does love bro I gave you I told

you this is something else this this

mindset is different but okay I'm

feeling you this is why I'm by the way

we you don't need to impress me I that's

why I was laughing when I saw the

pictures outside but it's okay there's

some good pictures no no beautiful

pictures we're going to add yours but

you want yours bigger no no no you don't

need to even to put me everybody place

no I don't humans are equal here we're

all important what does love mean to you

what is love

love love is a strong

word I think love can be a weakness and

can be a strength because sometimes love

goes against you what you love and it

goes with

you it's a natural thing it's nothing

you

choose it comes by itself you cannot

choose to love somebody that comes by

itself so it's a very strong

word but it grows naturally it's not

something that is

programmed what does Helena mean to you

everything I

think if she wouldn't have the

patient and if she wouldn't if she's 10

years older than me I read 11 but I'll

take you away 11 yeah I take one year

away from

her so if she I think if she would not

be 11 years older than me she would not

stayed with me because she had the

patient to stay with that person that

was all these things I told you in the

beginning and she had a lot of patient

what we went through because she had her

own career so it's not

like she became something because of me

in a sense

career she had her own so she always

says to me remember who took care of you

before you started to take care of the

family if you understand the what I'm

trying to say so she had her career and

she gave up her career for me because I

choose it to be like that

and and she went through everything she

did

basically she gave everything to me and

gave up everything for me

and that for

me what do you give back you you you

cannot give more

back

to arrive on that level because you try

to do your best but imagine you give up

everything just for one person so maybe

your dreams or whatever achievement

you're looking for or objectives and and

I'm very thanksful I have her I

appreciate a lot we have been together a

very long time m and we trigger each

other we we are more than a

relationship so I would ask her for

advice in whatever I do if I follow not

every time because sometimes I just want

to hear opinion so depending on the

answer maybe I'm looking

for a different answer but not getting

it and still looking for the for the

other one if you understand what I mean

I do I would go against her even if she

says yes and for me still no so just to

get an opinion but we talk a lot and I

think she's an amazing mother for my

boys and that is the most important the

rest I know it will be it will be

resolved whatever there is the most

important is she's there for my boys

what do maximilan and Vincent mean to

you I mean children you change as a

person trust me before them I

was I was a Superman when they came in

the picture I became a teddy bear so

they became it's strong strong to say

but in life children they they are they

are your weakness but in not it may

sound in a bad way but they they are

your weakness because whatever happens

to to them happens to you MH and you

don't want something to happen to them

so you want to teach them obviously you

want to make them independent you want

to teach them discipline respect

give them education to grow up and keep

the

same raise you had but with different

opportunity obviously because I don't

raise I raise them the same way I was

raised but obviously they have different

opportunity so so there is a balance you

always think you do the same the the

right thing but maybe it's not the right

thing because a third person can judge

you but from inside you always think you

you're doing the right thing for them

and that is what you're trying but it

maybe it's not the right thing but at

least you think it is

so the discipline the the the

responsibility the respect which for me

is more important than than

religion so all these things is is a big

responsibility so now I know what my

parents went through when I got my boys

and it's not easy what is masah mAh is a

I know okay

perfect um you said you've been together

for a long time long time what is the

most important thing for your

relationship or any healthy partnership

I think when you meet your girlfriend

first day is not the same person after

five years and after five again becomes

a different person so it's all

about it cannot die out it has to be a

life the situation the relationship so

you trigger each other you grow up as

one you try to stimulate each other

things happens every day is not a

fantastic day but you go through it you

have to understand the partner you're

with you have to respect and don't

believe don't think you're above the

person because then obviously you need

to trigger the person to feel to give

energy back to give this back what you

give the person

so I think in relationship don't have

this ego that you're above somebody else

I believe more 50/50 then obviously some

areas she has more responsibility some

areas I have more respons responsibility

but I think the the key of our

relationship is that we try to live as

normal as possible people might think

that we are a family that has a luxury

family I can tell you she does the

laundry she cooks the food the only

thing we have the cleaner that helps us

with that

I drive the kids to school I pick them

up from training like a normal classic

family and that is the way we choose to

have it so there is no I'll give you an

example we were living in La Beverly

Hills so from the whole school only my

children took their bicycles to school

but the other ones there was the nanny

dropped their kids Nanny bring up the

kids or a driver this is not who we are

I bring them I pick them up she bring

them or she pick them up she do the

things home whatever home what do you

say homework they have I go through it

if I'm not able she goes through it

normal family M with different

possibilities if you could teach Zlatan

every child in the world one lesson what

lesson would it

be

discipline nice I believe in discipline

discipline will keep you alive will

bring you to to wherever you want to

come I believe it's I think is the most

is the most strongest but he the most

difficult and when one one of the most

underrated I feel I believe I follow

discipline and I try to teach them what

discipline

is um what is an unforgivable

action unforgivable action would be a

consequence that you you have to live

with if I'm understanding that no like

what if what is an action if somebody

did to Zlatan finish one chance I told

you but what would be lying cheating it

can be whatever whatever you give trust

to somebody he don't take care of that

trust he doesn't mean it's I am doing

you a favor to that I'm giving you a

chance but you give you take I mean I

open up for you you open up for me and

we get to

know you disappoint me or you you lose

that trust one chance I don't believe I

mean two people say yeah you would give

an extra chance but it will not be the

same thing 100% you will have because

you look in one way the first time if it

goes not like it is the second time you

will look at that that way but not the

same

way I went through those things so but

it's not like me it might sound like I

arrogant I give you a chance to get to

know or I make you a favor I give you a

chance no it's not in every situation

there is one chance I believe two if I

give you a task to do if you don't make

it in the first who says you will make

it in the second one it means I had to

repeat to you to do it the second time

so you were not doing that the first

time so you're not able to do

it what is a question in your mind that

you

still don't have the answer to I think

there is answer for everything

there is no answer not answered there is

answer depends only who you are and how

you answer the

question like is there a question that's

still going in your mind all the time

and no no and see if I would have a

question I will find the

answer yeah I believe most of the

answers are within

us yeah but I think people they

exaggerate they seek for something

that becomes too poetic to it it's

simple you find that answer if you want

you find the answer it's not more

difficult than you if you make it

difficult it's difficult if you make it

simple it's

simple because it's not

so difficult like people might think it

is there is an answer for everything and

time answer like time finds answer the

the the answer is time for

everything that is what I try to say

what is a moment where you felt deep B

betrayal I mean there's many moments you

feel betrayed but which one comes

up nothing nothing

specific nothing what I

can betrayal depends how you mean in my

profession of work or in my normal life

that hurt you you feel

betrayed there is many small examples

but often the small examples is the big

hits M because I believe in small

details makes the difference so small

examples make the difference but I don't

have really CU like I told you betrayal

I don't go back and I look at it and I

feel like I have to give back or

Revenge I don't believe in those things

you had your moment we go on you have to

go on

because you have to keep keep striving

to go

go go in front we don't go backwards we

go forward so this betrayal is you can

cough bro you okay you need my water

take my water it's okay you can

drink okay

um who's a person that passed away and

every time you remember them your heart

aches I had my my manager Mino Rola when

he passed away it was a big hit for me

because he was not just my manager he

was he was everything for me but when I

say everything is everything he was

father agent he was friend he was

advisor he

was whatever my cook ever whatever I did

360 Degrees he was there and when he got

sick he was too much of a ego he and he

would not say he was sick because he

wanted to show his players and he had

some players he was very close to and I

was one of

them he didn't want to show to us that

he was weak and he had that

ego by not sharing with him that he was

sick and

uh and I would it was a big hit for me

because I was not ready for that I was

absolutely not ready for that because

everything I went through I went through

with him and suddenly it went so fast I

was there

alone without him and doing

things without him so it was not the

same thing anymore so I couldn't share

my moments with him whatever I went

through private life or professional

because we really did

everything what whatever we went through

so that's for me when I look back he's

he will always be remembered and he will

always be in my

heart because he he changed me a lot

also as a

person if um God give you a long life

but hypothetically if today was the last

day of your life and you had no chance

of communicating with anybody before

you're gone who would you feel regret

that you didn't have a chance to

contact nobody because when you're away

you're away my friend there is no less

wish Last Chance friend you regret that

you even sent that

message when was the last time you

cried when Mino passed away I told you

it was a big hit for me and I cried

until the last airdrop you say yeah

finished and he still not finished

because sometimes I get flashbacks and

it brings me down in a in a way that I

miss him too much and I think everybody

that knows him and me they know how

close we were when did he pass passed

away last

year if you could text him now and he

will read it what you would tell him I

miss

you last question is latan in one

word

gold thank you boss thank you very much

you bro I look sharp or I

good I don't think he has a choice huh

like yeah it's the best

direct yeah he was the one who told me

you're Arenal fan you doing the

show nice to meet you nice I met you

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