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out a follow-up email urging recipients

to let providers in their region know of

risk and reminding them once again of

the obligation to report cases. I have

two emails here who that are in the

majority report. They're available to

the public. Uh I ask that they be made a

part of the record. Mr. Chairman,

>> objection. Uh, I'm not going to read

them. They're for everyone to see. Uh,

one begins with, "I would like to flag a

message we sent out late Friday night. I

encourage you to forward this important

message about vaccine safety and

reporting." And it goes on warnings.

Far from a cover up,

these public health officials were

trying to alert

scientists, doctors, the public about

the potential side effects.

Mr. Siri and I are both trial lawyers

and

issuing that kind of warning is far from

evidence of trying to hide or conceal

something. You can say

they were wrong somehow, but intentional

cover up is not within the realm of the

plausible allegations here.

So, u I think we need to be really clear

and careful

when we start uh discrediting scientists

or public health officials. Uh, I'd like

to ask

uh, Governor Green,

uh, can you tell us how, as a physician,

publicly funded research,

which is being cut by this

administration, is important to

establish

not only new vaccines, but also the

safety and efficacy of ongoing use of

vaccines.

Thank you, uh, Senator. So, uh, as

governors, we rely on funding to do so

many things from the federal government

and cuts to research will be

devastating. You can't just simply pause

research and wait until uh different

ideology resumes uh governing or until

we get through these hearings and we

restart uh critical research projects,

we will lose ground on this science and

the science that benefits from it. The

R&D that goes forward, we've all been

very supportive for decades of advanced

scientific research. Sometimes it

happens through the military, sometimes

through our universities. We are in deep

trouble if we stop the research

component of our commitment to our

people. We will also be in grave danger

if we don't do the public health

assessment uh in our states in our rural

areas because we will not even know what

we're being affected by. We will be

blind to the diseases that roll through

our communities whether it's chronic

disease or acute disease uh from an

infection like this. And I just I just

need to um address a couple um

statements that I feel are

misconceptions, you know, and I'm not

judging. I I feel that there is a

misconception that the COVID vaccination

didn't decrease the severity of disease.

That is what it did. It decreased the

severity and I saw this clinically and

we saw this from a public health

standpoint. It decreased the severity of

what people were facing. So they didn't

die or they died at a much lower rate.

And you can see that in the charts that

we've seen, but through looking at them

through a different lens, the exact same

charts when the when the death rates

dropped because people had begun to

develop immunity because their immune

systems were responding to the

vaccination. And in fairness, we could

debate the the language, but even some

of of the individuals that are also

testifying with me here today referred

repeatedly to the mRNA vaccination

because it was putting these particles

into people and then the immune system

was responding to them. And so I do feel

that it's a vaccination. But be that as

it may, we ultimately saw the ability to

stop the severe and deadly cases in our

hospitals. And so there are many ways to

view vaccinations. There's many ways to

view treatments. And they're all

valuable. Uh some for some vaccinations

straight up stop infection from

occurring. That's the case. uh when we

talk about uh measles, you know,

measles, measles, mumps, rebella, when

you get that vaccine, you really prevent

the spread uh to a great degree. And it

was commented earlier that we were

misleading or we were being misled by

others on what uh the vaccinations uh

were doing and what the information was

that was being shared. Well, let me tell

you what it was like during that period.

And we all saw it. There was a great

deal of confusion because the unknown

was so enormous. And to the credit of

scientists and to the credit of those

who uh invested in the research at again

extreme speed and extreme dollars, we

were able as a nation and a global

community to find our way to something

that helped us. Now, of course, there

were some tragic outcomes and again, not

a single case should ever be dismissed,

uh, minimized. No one should be impuged.

But the grander picture of a vaccination

program is to protect all and to find a

way to protect people so that they can

also help protect the people around

them. which is why the research is

important, the spending is important,

why I'm very concerned about the

announcement yesterday that we will only

be recommending vaccinations for people

over 65 or those with chronic disease

because couple points. One, first of

all, and I'm sure many of you had this

experience, uh the chairman mentioned

going to Sworthmore College, which was

my alma mater. The president of our

class named Nick Nick Jazdan, 51 years

old, unvaccinated because the vaccin

vaccinations were not yet available,

healthy, a marathon runner, died of a

COVID infection. He was a prominent uh

writer, an extraordinary human being,

but utterly healthy. And that may have

been of course more rare than an 82y old

or or a 91y old contracting COVID and

dying but it does happen. He is an

individual that would have been

vaccinated immediately when given the

opportunity and also the reasons that we

were able to avoid so many unnecessary

deaths in a very difficult to treat

state where we have one two three

sometimes four generations of people

living under the same roof with one

provider. The challenge there is if we

suddenly can't vaccinate teenagers or

people who are 28 years old and are the

breadwinners for their community and we

have another pandemic or we have this

outbreak worsen again, they will come

home with the disease and very likely

spread it to those who are vulnerable.

And so I'll pause there. I just say that

we should give people choice and we

should honor and respect their stories,

but we have to do the research.

>> But their stories haven't been honored

or respected. Our our next question will

be Senator Kim.

>> Yeah. Thank you,

Governor. I guess I I just would like to

stay with you here for a sec because I

think you have an interesting

perspective as someone who's both um a

doctor as well as a elected public

official in an executive position. And

I'm trying to, you know, digest the

information that I'm hearing here and

thinking about how to talk about it to

my constituents back in New Jersey. And

if they're watching this, you know, I

think that a lot of this is beyond what

the average person understands. It's

beyond what I understand in terms of the

fullness of what happens in terms of our

health system. So from your experience,

Governor, you know, when the when these

cases come forward, you know, the these

cases that Dr. McCullik and and others

have have raised, you know, in terms of

these concerns, what's supposed to kick

in? You how does this system work? you

know, you talked about this saying that,

you know, we have a robust

system for safety. Um, that the system

is designed to monitor, identify, and

transparently report possible side

effects to review. Can you explain to to

me and and my constituents, you know, h

how this unfolds and what to expect?

>> Yes, thank you, Senator. So the way it

should work is that we totally support

science and we support public health so

that we are able in labs and in public

health offices to take in the concerns,

the complaints, the vignettes, the data

and analyze it thoroughly. And uh to the

chairman's uh concern, I'm sure some

people were not listened to or they felt

not listened to and that should never

happen. That is one of the great

challenges of our modern time where

we're talking past one another where

when people are spreading um their

stories anonymously sometimes they're

spread in ways that are not really even

from the individual who's suffering

themselves. There are great challenges

but we have to have this robust system

and how do you talk to people? How did I

talk to people in my state? And many

people feel that we had the u most uh

positive and and um effective strategy

to to deal with COVID was because we did

something very simple. It was partially

uh accidental in the early days of

COVID. I started a whiteboard and

ultimately tens then hundreds of

thousands of people followed this

whiteboard and just so people know that

it wasn't didn't have bias implicit or

otherwise. It didn't have partisanship.

I just put the actual numbers that we

had to the minute of how many cases that

day, how many people were vaccinated,

how many beds we had, how many intensive

care unit beds uh were available, how

many ventilators were available each

facility, how many infectious disease

doctors and so on. So that if someone

truly didn't believe CO was a threat and

some people felt that way, they could

just look at the data and decide for

themselves how they would respond in

their lives. This is how you talk to

your constituents about something that's

this disconcerting, in fact terrifying.

And we just showed day after day after

day in a brief brief uh moment sometimes

90 seconds exactly what we had as the

best data long before we had these very

complex uh reports from John's Hopkins

or USC or other universities. Okay.

Before we had that, we had our capacity

in our state to share with our people

what we were dealing with. And so what

happened? Now, people could argue about

this, but I will tell you that I believe

we had far more people get vaccinated

because I just shared exactly what we

were experiencing. And I'll tell you, I

look back at some of those early reports

and I I sometimes shudder a little bit

because we learned so much, which is

what happens with science during one of

these crisis. You learn as you go. There

were times, as you know, that we didn't

have the right recommendations on masks,

and we of course could debate that in

this room, I'm sure, but we gave our

best scientific data and our best

experiential data. And that's how you

talk to people. And yes, you you never

tell people that they are not valued and

you never just dismiss their stories.

And I'm positive I or others have been

guilty of that in the moment, and we

shouldn't be. But we also should not

demonize one another and when we in my

family ultimately had protesters which

did to a large degree cross some lines

when they some people were um just

communicating with me other people I

have to be honest with you some people

wrote swastikas on the on signs that

were next to my home certainly my

father's Judaism had nothing to do with

my COVID response but I can tell you

that sometimes because people were

traumatized and understood how scared

they were and I understood what they

were hearing out there. But that's how

you talk to people. And if we do that

after not and I'm and I have to be

honest about this, if we don't

systematically dismantle our public

health system, we'll be okay. We will

find common ground. Even though I I

suspect that there are some pretty

significant differences between me and

some of the other testifiers on what we

would do with the next pandemic, we

would actually be able to still move

forward together.

>> Yeah. I mean I think you know something

you said earlier I thought stuck stuck

out to me the sense of that you know no

one should be ignored. I think that's a

principle I hope everyone here can agree

upon that we I think they always have

space for more transparency. Um but also

just keeping in mind that broader

context. I mean as you're saying you

know here are the challenges that that

we're facing when it comes to this

system and how we can work on it. And

certainly I can imagine your experience

whether on addressing COVID or in Samoa

you know certainly that becomes more

difficult to to fully enact this monitor

identify trans and the transparency

report you know when you're in the

middle of a crisis when you're in the

middle of the chaos you know that's

something I think we can try to do to

improve to the point that was raised

earlier I think a lot of this also says

like this this is a reason why we need

to invest in capacity invest in

personnel people working in our

government to do this and and as opposed

to cutting back on staff and and trying

to say that we need simultaneously more

transparency when that becomes all the

more difficult. But I mean, look, I

understand and I've had people in my

life that have been ignored and and not

believed, whether that's, you know, my

time as a diplomat before and people I

know struggling with Havana syndrome and

people telling them I don't believe you

and other issues that are out there. Um,

but we should always have that system in

place and and that's what I just hope we

can come back to. I mean, I get it. I'm

I'm new on this committee and I

understand and I'm seeing, you know, a

year's worth of of back and forth that

are coming here. But someone who's

coming in with some fresh eyes, you

know, I hope that we can try to

cultivate that sense of of trust that I

know has been so deeply wounded. Um,

because I worry about what comes next.

you know, I worry about how we deal with

the next diseases, the next pandemics,

how we try to move forward and

understand how this technology of of

mRNA and others try to move forward on.

So, I just appreciate, you know, being

able to hear this all and and I try to

figure out how best I can be able to

relate to the people in New Jersey

around this country about the safety of

the co vaccines that I have seen be able

to save lives, but also be able to sure

that we won't ignore people if they have

other concerns and we do our best to be

as transparent as possible and to be

careful of of accusations of personal

malfeasants uh especially with some of

our public servants um in terms of

whether or not they were intentionally

withholding information or not. We need

to be very careful about those

accusations on this committee. And with

that, I'll yield back.

>> I will say we are just seeing the tip of

the iceberg here and you will see more

evidence. Trust me. Senator Marino.

>> Well, first of all, thank you uh

chairman for putting on this hearing.

I'm going to focus on let's just stick

to CO 19 and CO 19 policies. Let's not

get to let's not get into this

conversation about uh vaccines at large.

Dr. McCulla, do you feel that you were

listened to in 2021?

Did you feel ignored?

Our November 19th, 2020 hearing done for

Homeland Security, governmental affairs

was very lightly attended by our

senators who are working for us. That's

a disappointment. It's disappointment

there's chairs uh empty here.

our hearing was actively suppressed,

scrubbed off YouTube.

>> So just just so just so just to clarify,

not only were your viewpoints ignored,

you were called a conspiracy theorist, a

spreader of misinformation, somebody who

didn't know what they were doing by

people who didn't even take a science

class in high school, and yet you're a

doctor and you were completely ignored.

Let me ask you, uh, Dr. Vaughn, real

quick question. How many children under

the age of five years old died of COVID?

>> So very very few actually theoretically

a healthy child under five there wasn't

any.

>> So it's basically zero.

>> Yes. It's statistically zero.

>> Age of 10.

>> It's still statistically zero. When you

get when you get up into the when you

get up into the uh uh 15 16 I mean there

there is some

>> so under 15 none. Yeah. Pretty much

none.

>> Statistically. Yes.

>> All right. So, I'm confused because uh

Governor Green said he held the children

who would have died from COVID, but

that's crazy because evidently nobody

died of COVID who was under 15.

>> I we're talking about But see, that's

the confusion. See, when we talk about

COVID vaccines and then we stick in

other vaccines, we get off topic because

co 19 wasn't about measles. Uh now, Dr.

Dr. Thorp, do you think good idea or bad

idea that you should close schools?

>> Bad idea.

>> Bad idea.

>> Now, why? I mean, kids can learn uh at

home, can't they?

>> They can learn very well at home, but at

school, uh they will have the

opportunity to develop natural immunity.

So, and school, well, by the way,

schools is where you socialize, you

learn your behaviors, you learn how to

meet other people because if we don't

believe in schools, the federal

government and state government can save

a lot of money. So, schools are

important. Let's just get that out of

the way. So, why would you close

schools, which you did, Governor,

when no children died of COVID? What

would make you make that decision? You

close schools. And by the way, the

impact on that is generational. You

destroyed the lives. You and the other

governors that closed schools destroyed

the lives of children in doing that.

>> So, okay, I've got to got to tell the

audience, ple please notice, sir, my uh

my respond to the question. Yeah, I

think it was Well, first of all, I think

you misunderstand some of the value to

uh

>> No, no. Why did you close schools?

>> Well, I'm going to I'm just answer that

and not filibuster me, please.

>> I'm not going to filibuster you. Uh

schools I did not want to close and

>> you did. Actually, I was not governor at

the time. And

>> but you were lieutenant governor and you

were the point person. Do you think the

governor made a mistake in closing

schools?

>> We reopened the schools as soon as

>> Did you think he made a mistake? Can I

answer the question or is the senator

going to fill up?

>> No. No. You're going to answer my direct

question or just say I'm not going to

answer you.

>> Do you think it was a good idea? Yes or

no? The two choices in this answer. Do

you think it was a good cho idea to

close schools? Simple answer. Just give

me a yes or a no. As we as we had COVID

surging through our society because

there was massive spread from children

to adults, we were waiting to make sure

the teachers

>> let me get so let me get this straight.

You sacrifice the lives of children

because maybe they would spread

something that you don't know to adults.

You thought that was a good that's

>> No, that's not always actually. It's

your your party that's trying to close

our schools and get rid of the

Department of Education. So, we have we

do have politicizing this hearing. Okay,

we're moving on. You said my governors

and other governors that close schools,

which is a politicization of

>> when I'm in the Hawaii and I'm having a

hearing before you, you can interrupt

me. When you're here before the United

States Senate, you're not going to

interrupt me. Moving on.

>> So, here's here's the next question for

you. Uh, show me the science that said

that when I walked into a uh an airport

in Hawaii and that I wasn't uh uh I I

didn't want to tell you because it's

none of your business whether I had a

COVID vaccine or not or tested positive

or not because that's also none of your

business. Where's the science where I

had to quarantine for 14 days? Tell me

the science behind why you locked your

residents up and did not allow them to

go grocery shopping. Why you closed your

beaches and your parks? I would love you

to put that science into this record

because you can give me the nice happy

talk, but those were terrible decisions.

And what COVID highlighted more than

anything else, by the way, it's why I'm

here. I ran for the United States Senate

not because uh I I I had this deep

desire to uh be a government politician,

but because I was so insensed by the

arrogance, by the ignorance, by the lack

of common sense among our elected

officials that we needed different kinds

of people here in Washington DC and

other places. So,

>> should I answer those questions,

chairman?

>> No, no, there was no question for you.

That was just

>> there were several questions. You asked

about why a 14-day quarantine. You asked

about Sure. What's the science? 14-day

quarantine because

>> not 12, not 16.

>> Actually, I asked for 5 days, just so

you know.

>> What was it? Was there dart board?

>> No, it was 5 days because that was the

amount of time from symptoms to

transmission.

>> So why 14?

>> The 14 day was was before we had the

>> So 14 wasn't scientific, just to be

clear.

>> 14 days was how long it took for people

to get over the disease. And people were

still shedding virus through that

period. And that's why you do use

science and I use science, but you

didn't like science for Hawaii. But but

we did but we did have the test and we

did have the test to enter Hawaii so

people could make a choice an informed

choice and they did and then they didn't

have to quarantine at all just to make

sure you know that because I think you

got your facts wrong and also I didn't

close the beaches that was the mayor of

Honolulu and not me. So just you know it

is important that you get the facts

right if you're going to be a political

official.

>> So it's what you're saying it wasn't me

it was the other guy.

>> No no it was me who ran the who ran the

co response zero accountability Dr. I'll

take more accountability if you give me

more time. I'm done with you governor.

Thank you. Thank you, sir.

>> Uh, so Dr. McCulla, quick question for

you. Quick question for you, just

completely objectively. Look, I went to

business school. I was not a doctor. Uh,

so I'm going to truly objective using

your most subjectiveness here. Did the

vaccine stop the spread of COVID 19?

>> No.

>> So then let me ask you one simple

question. We'll go down the line. You

guys can answer. It would be my last

question.

So if COVID 19 did the the vaccine, the

injection did not stop the spread of

COVID, why is it that Joe Biden,

president of the United States, issued

an executive order, which was ruled

unconstitutional, by the way, that said

that if you worked for a company with

100 employees, because not 99

100, that you would be fired

if you did not prove you didn't have a

COVID vaccine negative test or got

vaccinated.

Why would we have some decision like

that? How depraved do you have to be to

do that? Answer the question the way you

feel down the line. Go ahead. We'll

start with you, Mr. Call. Dr.

>> Briefly,

>> my testimony on this issue went all the

way to the Supreme Court that overturned

four out of the five Biden mandates.

They were scientifically ungrounded.

They were sociologically

deranged and they caused great harm. To

this day, people are in court trying to

get their jobs back and trying to put

their lives together because of these

disastrous policies.

>> And and just to be clear, sorry,

chairman, nurses were included in that.

Correct. Healthcare workers. The ranking

member called them heroes.

It seems to me that when you have a

hero, you don't terminate their ability

to make money and have them fired

because they're making a personal

choice. Because see, ultimately, and

I'll end with this, ultimately, this is

what this is all about. See, I get to

get a choice if I'm going to get

vaccinated. And if it doesn't stop the

spread, it is none of any other human

being in this country's business what I

did or did not do. Would you agree

quickly?

>> 100%. And I think uh uh director Winsky

when she said of the science of hope uh

that is not science. Science is facts.

Hope is not science.

>> Thank thanks Senator Marino. Again

please let's not express any uh emotion

out there in the in the audience. Uh Dr.

Walsco I just have to go to you because

you have direct experience. I almost

feel like bringing up Brienne Dresen to

talk about the concealment that you

witnessed firsthand when it came to your

working with Bree's working with NIH

officials trying to do studies uh being

carried along with some with some

assurance that this was going to be

revealed to the public and it never was.

Just talk about that level of

concealment. Again, there's going to be

so much evidence of this if it hasn't

been destroyed. This this just the tip

of the iceberg what we're seeing here

with myocarditis. But but talk to what

you you and your fellow vaccine injured

who were dismissed, who were gas lit,

who were treated horribly. I mean,

horribly. When you came to the United

States Senate and asked to be

heard by senators and their staff, you

were treated. Describe describe how

you've been treated.

Well, thank you, Senator Johnson. So,

what I'd like to say is um being vaccine

injured in this country is is

unfortunately a huge polarizing event,

which it should never be. If I could

describe one word that I think all if

not most vaccine injured will say is

what's one word that describes your

experience after your injury and it's

abandonment. Okay, we get attacked. We

watch. We walk a tight rope. We get

attacked from the right. The right say

we're stupid. We shouldn't have got a

shot. We should die. Okay, and I could

show you social media stuff. The left

says we're antivaxers. Which to me is

one of the most ignorant thing to say of

myself because all my children have been

vaccinated. I got vaccine injured

because I got vaccinated. But but still,

regardless, we get called antivaxers.

We report these to okay nothing happens.

I had an adverse event which was you

know delayed the Astroenica trial in the

United Kingdom you know two times for

three cases of transverse myitis. I

expected a call the day after

days passed weeks passed by 3 weeks I

called the CDC myself and demanded you

know response. I always thought oh I'd

get this quick response and someone

would would help us. all of us that are

vaccine injured now

there is no there's no phone call coming

there's no help coming we have

repeatedly met and Brienne Dressson

who's my co-chair with reacting have met

with Peter Marks over and over and over

for the last you know for a period of

about two years we have been plated we

have been blown off we bring up adverse

events the neurological adverse events

we bring up the MIS which is the

multi-cm inflammatory syndrome we bring

up the myocarditis us. He thanks us. He

says he'll get back to us. He never

does. That went on to for two years. So,

so for people that think it's this

kumbaya we're all people are listening

to us and people all in these federal

agencies are trying to to help it get to

the bottom of it. It is the farthest

from the truth.

>> So, there have been a number of claims

made and I think there will be continue

to be a number of claims made. I just

ask anybody making a claim um please

provide your citations you know please

provide you again respect the science

let me see the science I mean I'm I'm

being I'm very genuine here let me see

you know the science behind that this

actually reduced the symptoms or this

prevented deaths or this prevented

transmission uh I would like to see the

science um Dr. Von, uh, you were really

specializing in the blood clots. You

know, I've seen video after video,

picture after picture of these long

white blood clots in autopsy. Um, we've

we've also, you know, throughout CO

autopsies were really discouraged. We we

weren't seeking the scientific truth. I

see Dr. McCull have you kind of answer

that, but you know, Dr. Von, first talk

about talk about the clotting we saw and

and what you know in terms of what was

discovered under autopsy.

>> Well, first of all, early in COVID, the

spring of 2020, uh my collaborator Jacob

Lobster in South Africa was the first

one to kind of alert people to say that

this was primary primarily a vascular

disease, not a pulmonary disease. And

it's one of the reasons that ventilators

are probably one of the most ineffective

things you could have done to people

because if you have a vascular disease

of the lungs, increasing the

intrathoracic pressure just closes down

more vessels and ultimately kills them.

And what we also saw was if you went

into the hospital in the spring or

summer of 2020, you were twice as likely

to leave alive if you were already on a

blood thinner. Now, I will tell you most

of your friends that are on blood

thinners probably aren't healthier than

you. So it's kind of interesting to find

out that the people that were on blood

thinners had a protection. So again,

those were signals that were really

downplayed. Unfortunately, after a lot

of the treatment was codified by the

car's act, uh it it resulted in

basically a a protocol-based treatment

for inhos care.

>> As long as you start, can you anybody

describe remdeae? Anybody want to speak

to that?

If if not, I'll I'll do that for another

hearing. I mean just the conflict of

interest of how that was being approved.

uh yeah so can I okay wave off on that

>> but but what we uniquely found and my

collaborators in South Africa Risha

Ptorius and Doug Kell at University of

Liverpool was that the spike protein was

able to induce fibrin from fibbrronogen

which is a fancy word for saying hey

forming the backbone of clotting but it

did it in a way that was different that

we had not seen and it was what we would

similarly think of fibbrin as kind of

like spaghetti coming out of the

colander that you could pull apart part

when you didn't need it. It was easy to

break down. But the actual clot that was

formed in COVID or from the spike

protein from the vaccine was like burnt

spaghetti casserole that you have to get

a brillow pad to get off the dish. And a

lot of people their issue is their

inability to break down that clotting

mechanism. We all need to clot but we

all need to actually get rid of the

clot. And that is the problem.

>> That's pretty obvious. Dr. Thorp, I'll

get to you, but Dr. mccull real quick

>> quickly. In the last five years, I've

never treated as many blood clots in my

entire multiple decades of in clinical

practice as a cardiologist.

The blood clots occur after the

infection with the virus and the vaccine

because the spike protein causes blood

clots. It's without any controversy in

medicine. The spike protein causes blood

clots. So it is reckless and foolhardy

to continue to vaccinate people and load

the body with spike protein and cause

more blood clots.

>> But there were other parts of the corona

virus that they could have used in the

lipid nanoparticle. I mean they could

have injected something else that wasn't

quite so toxic.

>> Yeah. And actually uh a paper in cell

July of 2021 it's called broad and

durable immunity from uh from basically

COVID. And what they found was the

nucleoprotein was actually the thing

that supplied broad and durable immunity

for actually prevention of infection.

Unfortunately, the spike protein did not

elicit that response. And as much as we

love this mRNA, you know, technology, it

seems like they sold it as something

that we could change on the dime as

information actually came to light. And

by July 2021, we knew the wrong pathogen

had the wrong protein had been picked.

Why didn't they change it?

>> That's a good question, Senator

Blumenthal.

>> Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Dr. Vaughn,

uh, I noticed that you were careful when

you said that children didn't die of

COVID to say statistically.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh, which I appreciate, uh, 1.2 million

Americans died of COVID 19. Uh,

tragically, more than a thousand of

those deaths were children.

In fact, 700 were four years old or

younger.

And

I'm sure you will agree that those

deaths were

tragic and most especially for the

families who will never be the same. Um,

children were affected by CO.

There's no question that children

died. But equally important, the trauma

of CO affected

children, the fear and anxiety that

spread throughout their families.

You don't have to be a doctor. Yeah.

>> To understand that point. Or a parent.

>> Yeah. I have a seven and nineyear-old

and it was a very interesting time. Uh

but in many ways

>> well interesting is a somewhat

euphemistic way of putting it. I'm sure

you'll agree but let let me just

>> uh point out that our entire society was

traumatized by co people were out of

school. We can argue about the merits of

whether they should have been, but it

has affected our entire society. And

>> just so we're all on the same page here,

I'm in strong agreement that schools are

good. Kids should be in school. Um, let

me point out though because we want to

learn from history here.

That when there are side effects, when

there are threats to public health,

there should be warnings. The public

should know. So should doctors and

researchers

and right now uh I'm looking at a report

from NPR. dated May 21 of this year,

which describes the effects of cutting

back on the CDC's

capacity to warn

and says that many of the platforms,

quote, "Many of the platforms the CDC

used to communicate with the public have

gone silent." End quote. It says, quote,

"Many of the CDC's newsletters have

stopped being distributed. Workers at

the CDC say health alerts about disease

outbreaks previously sent to health

professionals subscribed to the CDC's

health alert network.

Han

haven't been dispatched since March.

I I understand the concerns that have

been expressed here

and let's learn from

scientific practice and

uh make sure that the Department of

Health and Human Services provides the

resources that are necessary to warn the

public. Um I want to ask um

Dr. Brown uh because you've talked about

both your experience in Samoa

in 2019

with a measles outbreak there which

eventually killed 83 people as I

understand it. Again, measles was

thought to be eliminated in the world.

Uh that outbreak was fueled by

misinformation about the measel science

spread by

a number of vaccine

doubters or skeptics including the now

secretary of health and human services

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. That campaign

caused the vaccination rate against

measles in Somota drop from over 74% to

just 34% between 2017 and 2018.

Uh, do you see parallels between the

measles outbreak you helped to address

in Samoa and the one that we're now

seeing in Texas

that has reached 31 states in including

Hawaii and the

COVID 19 situation.

>> Thank Thank you, Senator. There are more

than parallels. It's it's just

terrifyingly similar.

So what happened uh I'll give you the

brief version uh in Samoa was uh prior

to the outbreak prior to the outbreak uh

two children had been uh given

vaccinations and tragically uh there was

human error and two nurses who were

later prosecuted u made a mistake a

tragic mistake and they used the wrong

reagent uh the fluid with the vaccine

and they vaccinated uh incorrectly these

two children and the two children

perished which is of course tragic in

every way and we always have to help

hold all healthcare people to account.

Now after that there was panic and what

happened uh in the months and years

thereafter was that human error was not

a vaccine flaw it was a human error and

that information was then spread

incorrectly by um then Mr. Kennedy

before being Secretary Kennedy and the

Children's Health Defense and that

country and and their their leadership

told me this directly. They received

letters. There were stories all across

Samoa that uh this group of people came

and convinced them not to vaccinate. And

they uh had a lot of challenges with

health literacy and they stopped

vaccinating. And then when you get

vaccination rates that are that low, and

mind you, we have this challenge because

we have 14 states, my state is among

them, where the kindergarters in our

states, uh, age five, sometimes age six

are at dangerously low vaccination rates

for measles. When it gets that low,

you're going to see outbreaks. Unlucky.

The the cases could come from anywhere.

They come from overseas. They could come

from within our own country. But if you

get below 95% and certainly below 90%

you see these outbreaks and then you

have you know one in five people end up

in the hospital you have one in 20 with

pneumonas you have encphylopathies you

have all sorts of damage so that's what

happened in Samoa and and and to be very

direct and actually I want to be

generous here there are many things that

um Secretary Kennedy is doing that I

support I support his work on um some of

the questions about processed foods and

dyes and uh and environmental toxins

things that I have believed for decades

and fought for as have many of you

probably. However, however, this is so

central to the public health of our

country that because we have vaccine

hesitancy and because when you fall

below 95% and particularly below 90% you

will see these outbreaks. So we can

anticipate that we're going to have a

lot of outbreaks first of measles and

there's going to be fatalities and lots

of consequences. We're going to see

ptasus. God help us all if we start

seeing menitis or polio break out. These

are diseases that have been eradicated.

And so what I would say is I really

appreciate the chairman's focus on truth

and making sure there's transparency and

going through the record. I appreciate

that. I appreciate individuals who I

disagree with fighting for their voices.

But what I don't appreciate is when

there are individuals with no public

health training, whether it's a senator

or someone it's one of our colleagues,

and they make a assertion to move away

from science and away from prevention

that has been proven that I take

have deep concerns about. And that's

what happened in Samoa, killing 83

people. we had to jump in and then that

is what is happening in Texas and a

bunch of other states and I don't think

there it would be very interesting to

ask all the senators privately and

congress people and all of us if any of

us could accept that kind of spread of

infectious disease amongst the people

that we love even if even if we don't

believe in vaccinations we certainly

don't believe in tragic outcomes things

that we can prevent and that's where I

think we should go as a country to heal

>> okay

>> I'm going to interrupt

just to say um I apologize. I am the

ranking member on the Veterans Affairs

Committee. There's a separate hearing

beginning right now. I'm going to I have

more questions. I'm going to try to come

back, Mr. Chairman. Um and uh I

apologize. I'm going to have to leave.

Thank you.

>> Appreciate you coming. This is the part

I was actually looking forward to. Um

unplugged.

So, Governor,

I'm just going to be honest with what

gets under my skin is how many times

those of us who've had a different

narrative on this or not a narrative,

but just a different viewpoint on this.

We are always accused of ignoring

science.

I I think I've been trying to follow it

quite closely. So again, I I will ask

you and we can go through your

testimony. Every time you've cited

something, we we will ask you to cite

the study that proves what you're

saying. Okay? So again, not really a

challenge, it's a request. I mean, I I

would ask that of all of you. Any of you

who have cited some study or some

opinion, back it up and we'll we'll

include in the hearing record. We'll

have this hearing record will stay open

for 15 days. So, I'm really encouraging

people, send me that science. Again, I I

I entered a piece from Raphael Lataster

that pretty well pretty well debunks the

the Watson I think it's Watson at all.

The claims it's the the CO injection

save millions. This is based on

mathematical models. It really wasn't

scientific studies. So, again, throw it

all in the hopper and and let the public

decide. But I do have some some

questions that Dr. Thorp. Speaking of

corrupted studies, uh you mentioned in

your uh opening statement the Shimmer

Bakura study, which by the way, Tom Shim

Bakura, uh we have sent something like

70 oversight letters, more than that. In

many of them, we've told the CDC, FDA,

NIH, we demanded they preserve their

records

and that should have been widely

distributed through the healthy

agencies. You know, we in our subpoena

specifically asked for the

communications of Tom Shimmer Bakura.

They couldn't find any.

I know I know the current HHS is

investigating that individual. We've

sent a I would call it a referral to the

FBI uh and to attorney general to

determine this. Um but again, what

happened there? Okay. again when people

are supposed to maintain records and

they don't

I get suspicious but again going to Dr.

Thor. Um,

and I'm going to probably interrupt you

because I want everybody to understand

what you're talking about in this study

because it takes we're talking about

numbers here, but describe that study on

would you call it fetal demise,

miscarriage, uh, and how it was

originally presented as evidence to push

this on the most vulnerable, as you're

saying, pregnant women and the unborn.

And how did they distort that study to

make that point? Go ahead.

>> Thank you, Senator Johnson. So, the

study in question is in New England

Journal of Medicine on April 21st, 2021.

And in that same day, the digital

edition, there were two publications

that were extraordinarily concerning.

Both of them interestingly coming at a

time when vaccine hesitancy was being

was increasing.

So the Shimab Bakuro study was a

separate study in addition to an op ed.

The oped was by the New England Journal

of Medicine

uh editor and chief uh who who was Eric

Rubin and the managing editor who was

Stephen Morrisy and then director of the

CDC Relle Winski.

And they made statements that were

false. They made statements that uh was

fear-mongering.

Um insinuating that pregnant women, if

they didn't take the vaccine, would put

their lives in harm, their pre-born

lives in harm, and their newborn lives

in harm when they knew absolutely the

opposite was true. How

>> how do they know that? Well, they know

that for several reasons, Senator. Uh,

number one, the study by Panel's and

colleagues, who is a maternal fetal

medicine specialist from University of

Texas Houston, published a very large

study documenting that pregnancy in of

itself reduced the maternal mortality by

as much as 75%

during pregnancy compared to nonpregant

women. that study was available. Um also

Dr. Dr. um Shima Bakuro, Tom Shima

Bakuro and then director of the CDC.

This was seven weeks after

the Fiser 5.3.6

six post marketing data in 10 weeks that

showed the COVID 19 vaccine was the

deadliest and most injurious vaccine

ever released with 42,086

injuries including 1,223

dead. They had that information. They

still pushed it on pregnant women. So,

so, so let's get to the the number where

there's 700 individuals included in the

statistic that shouldn't have been

included. So, describe that. I mean,

talk about this study,

>> right? Well, well, there's bias. There's

bias in the title. Okay, just look at

the title. There's bias in the 21

authors, all of whom were federal

federal employees and Tom Shimaburo, a

safety officer in the FDA itself. Then

you go to the numbers. We we look at

four we're looking at about numbers of

of over 4,000 in a 10w week period and

then all of a sudden it's just how do we

arbitrarily go to 10 weeks in this vsafe

smartphone collection system and then

what happened to all the other patients?

We go down to 827 patients. uh what

happened?

>> So you got so you got 827 patients that

were that became pregnant or were

pregnant in this in terms of again it's

not really study but I mean they're just

analyzing data. So you got 827 right?

>> Okay. So the these were women who were

pregnant

>> right 827 that completed the pregnancy

completed a pregnancy in 10 weeks.

>> This is not necessarily a born child but

the pregnancy

>> or a miscarriage. Right now they claimed

a 12.6% 6% miscarriage rate,

>> which is pretty kind of a normal

miscarriage.

>> No, it's not.

>> What's a normal miscarriage rate?

>> 3% when you have a normal booking visit.

>> So, so, so there are it's already an

abnormal miscarriage rate in that 827.

>> That's correct.

>> Okay. And

>> so, now describe exactly how they

>> Okay. So, we have 827 patients, right?

And they talk about a 12.6% miscarriage.

But a miscarriage of those 827,

700 of those mothers had their vaccine

in the third trimester. That's way

beyond the window when a woman has a

miscarriage. So they artificially

uh took those 700 patients and put them

in the first trimester. No. The 104

patients that had the miscarriage,

that goes to the 127. 104 over 127,

you're looking at an uh, you know, 82%

miscarriage. So, the key is the

percentage of women that got the vaccine

in the first trimester had an 82%

miscarriage. And by the way, that's the

exact same miscarriage rate that was

seen in the Fiser 5.3.6 postmortem. So I

would I I would argue that proves both

points in the title of this hearing. The

corruption of science, the corruption of

federal health agencies.

Governor, listen, I I I I'm cognizant of

the fact that you're kind of outnumbered

here. So I'm I want to give you an

opportunity to respond to that if you

want to. You don't have to.

>> Sure. No, I'm happy to. Look, the um

appreciate the information. The uh the

tragedy of a miscarriage is always

there. It's not 3%. Um my

>> what what is it? What do you think it

is?

>> Well, in my training as a family

physician, the miscarriage rate for

women is often in the 20s or 30

percentile for for women across their

pregnancies. You know, there are just a

lot of miscarriages that occur amongst

um women. So, those are all tragic and

and I would obviously defer to ACOG, the

American I'm sorry, the uh the American

uh College of OBGYNS who who did and and

they should come and testify too who did

strongly recommend the vaccine. I mean,

I'm not going to speak as a as an OBGYn.

and I'm speaking as an ER physician and

as a governor but um I'm sure that that

would be a vibrant discussion and again

it's a very good point

>> that we have transparency in studies.

>> So let me move on to my next point. In

one of our events some of you were

there's

Dr. Moon opened up the insert

for the co injection big piece of paper

you know fold up and

and it's other than it says

intentionally laid blank intentionally

left blank was blank now this was quite

a few years I think this was probably a

couple years into

the co injection distribution of it and

all these studies all everything on

veyes

Um I would think somewhere, you know,

when you take a look at the the actual

studies and the adverse events that were

documented within those studies, it's

been now been released through the Fiser

papers and and other means, you think

somewhere they ought to put some

information in there. So the point I

want to make is I I think an awful lot

of folks are are saying that there was

not informed consent.

I would argue they violated the

invaluable

principle of informed consent with this

co injection. I I just think that's

indisputable. I'll start with you, Dr.

McCullik. Do you want to weigh in on

that?

>> I've presented at the FDA advisory

meetings. I've advised companies for

decades on this, so I know the

regulatory science very well. When a

product definitely results in death,

and there are thousands of peer-reviewed

papers on this, Governor, the COVID

vaccines in some people sadly result in

death. Some on the very first day they

take the shot. That must be a blackbox

warning on the product immediately. I

just checked the package inserts for the

currently available products, the ones

that uh Senator Blumenthal wants to

pursue. Sounds like governor wants to

still pursue these. Our FDA still wants

them to be administered. They still

don't have the word death in the package

insert. As of today, they don't. And so

Americans are not fairly informed.

>> Do you have any doubt in your mind that

the CO injection caused some deaths? I

mean, do do you what what do you think

of the what is it 37 38,607

right now listed on Vyers? What do you

think the real number is? And do you

have any science to back up your your

opinion?

>> The best data are autopsies. So, in the

largest autopsy series published to

date, I know because I'm the senior

author

of all the death we deaths we examined

and we we re-reviewed them. We had an

adjudication committee. We had ways of

arbitration deciding on did the vaccine

cause death. The answer is of these

cases that came in for autopsy after

who has perished as a result of CO 19.

But when the vaccines became widely

available in 2021, deaths sharply

declined and many lives have been saved

in the years since. Many in this room,

speaking for myself as well as others,

probably have been saved from this

disease because of those vaccines. One

study found that 3 million American

deaths were averted, 18 million

hospitalizations

were avoided and 1 trillion dollar in

healthc care costs were saved in the

United States in just the first two

years after co vaccines were

distributed. I'd like this study entered

into the record, Mr. Chairman, if

there's no objection.

>> Without objection.

Now, vaccines not only saved American

lives, they enabled us to get back on

our feet economically. They enabled the

American economy to recover.

Let's try to think of where we were 5

years ago with a deadly unknown virus

spreading through America and through

the world. We were only able to come so

far because of the vaccines and the

researchers who developed them and the

public health officials who distribute

them. And now those individuals are

again under attack. Our public health

officials.

I've looked at

those documents, maybe not all of them,

that the majority alleges show that the

Biden administration or those public

health officials suppressed evidence of

side effects. Let's be clear, the

allegation is that they purposefully

concealed

evidence.

I am unable to support that conclusion

with this evidence. In fact, the primary

piece of evidence for this claim is that

the CDC did not issue a notice on its

health alert network con

while it was still analyzing the

evidence about myocarditis.

We're talking about myocarditis. The

chairman has referenced other side

effects. I'm not sure what he means, but

what I see as I look at that evidence is

public health officials

wrestling

with what to do and what kind of warning

to issue. And again, side effects must

be studied and communicated. And that's

what I see happening in these documents

that the majority has released.

So we have to distinguish, I think,

between differences of opinion under the

pressure of a pandemic

and

separate

the opinions of scientists who are

working for the greater good and frankly

others who may simply be seeking to sow

distrust

while they profit off misinformation and

fear. And I'm frankly deeply concerned

about some of today's witnesses

because they have a financial interest

in fermenting

distrust about CO 19 vaccines and

pushing untested alternative remedies

over proven treatments. In fact, two of

today's witnesses are executives at

something called the Wellness Company,

which sells the disproven treatment,

Ivormectin,

and a host of untested supplements,

which includes something called quote

unquote ultimate spike detox

costs $18

$89.99 a bottle. Another makes money

from suing vaccine companies and still

others are pushing unsupported research

while rejecting the proven scientists on

CO and other vaccines.

Let's be very clear that fear-mongering

and rushing to conclusions without

examining the evidence can lead to

tremendous harm. And this risk is not

just hypothetical

or rhetorical.

Misinformation about the safety of

vaccines has led to a deadly outbreak of

a preventable

disease.

We all know it. Measles.

Just 25 years ago, measles was declared

eliminated in the United States.

Since then,

conspiracy theories, some financially

motivated, have caused vaccination rates

to plummet.

Last September, the CDC warned that

declining childhood vaccination could

lead to a resurgence of a preventable

disease like measles and roto virus.

Exactly what is happening today. As of

today, more than a thousand Americans

have been diagnosed with measles this

year. In 31 states, many of them

children. So far, three have died. These

deaths were preventable.

They could have been avoided.

but for the efforts of misinformation

proponents that have spread lies and

created fears. There has been so much

misinformation and fear since co 19

emerged that during the height of the

pandemic health care workers and public

health officials were often harassed and

threatened. Some of them continue to

fear for their lives.

During the first frightening year of the

pandemic, the Trump administration

withheld critical information from the

public, made baseless promises that the

virus would magically disappear. I think

I'm almost quoting

the president. Magically disappear,

engaged in unfounded conspiracy theories

and sham science about CO 19 treatments

and sewed the seeds of distrust in

public health institutions.

And then to the tremendous credit of

President Trump, he fasttracked the

vaccine. Let me repeat, to the credit of

the Trump administration, the president

of the United States fasttracked the

vaccine and saved lives.

We need to learn from history.

We're seeing the same pattern now.

Those same seeds of doubt

and distrust

have been nurtured by the president's

choices for key positions in this

administration,

including the decision to install a

well-known vaccine skeptic as the head

of HHS and to fill our public health

agencies with conspiracies.

And let's bring it right to the present

day. Just yesterday,

it was announced that the FDA may start

restricting access to new COVID boosters

to those over 65 or with a narrow set of

pre-existing conditions. Now, we ought

to be very frank here.

Discerning what exactly this new

guidance may be at the moment is

confusing

and the troubling news leaves many

questions unanswered about whether and

how people can actually access vaccines

if they want to do so. Will Americans

who

live with elderly or immunompromised

relatives for example have access to

these vaccines? We don't know

and so far those questions are

unanswered.

The manner and timing of this decision

frankly weak of politics

not science and again science ought to

be the loar.

So

I think we need to be looking at the

present. We need to be looking forward.

In the first four months since the

president took office, he and his health

secretary have fired at least 10,000

employees from public health agencies

and cut more than $2.7 billion in

funding for research, including $4.2

million for vaccine clinical trials. Let

me repeat. Clinical trials, money cut to

do them. How does that make us safer?

More than $3.8 million for safety

monitoring and more than $2 billion for

state immunization programs. A drastic

cut that is already hampering our

measles response.

These reckless cuts are undermining our

ability to respond not just to measles,

but to what may come next.

And we all know

something will come next.

That's the history. We need to learn

from history and science.

Let me just finish by saying the

capacity of our agencies to warn

is compromised by these cuts. The

capacity of our agencies to do science

and rely on science is compromised when

we cut 10,000

people from the ranks of the agencies

responsible for safety.

And so I welcome the interest in this

topic. I'm honored that the governor of

Hawaii, Dr. Josh Green has joined us

today to share his experiences

addressing both measles and CO 19. He's

not only a dedicated public service, but

he's also a physician who led his

experience his state Hawaii during the

pandemic. And I'm thankful to him for

being here today and uh I look forward

to the testimony. Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

>> Thank you, Senator Blumenthal. I think

people understand why he didn't join me

in my oversight request. The the over 70

letters that were not responded to.

Again, I haven't uncovered yet what they

were trying to hide, but our intention

is to do so. Uh you did mention the what

irrefutable fact that these vac these

injections save lives. I I would enter

in the record a recent study by Rafael

Lataster uh who does a pretty effective

job of rebuting one of those studies

from Watson at at all. But we put in the

record and again we'll allow the public

the American people who are watching

this hearing decide uh based on what

testimony is based on what's been

entered in the record based on our

report. Uh it is the custom of this the

full committee and the subcommittee to

swear in witnesses. So, if you all rise

and raise your right hand,

do you swear the testimony you are about

to give before this subcommittee is the

truth, the whole truth, and nothing but

the truth. So, help God.

Please be seated.

Our first witness is Dr. Peter McCullik.

Dr. McCullik is an internist,

cardiologist, and epidemiologist from

Dallas, Texas. He has broadly published

with over 700 citations in the National

Library of Medicine. He has testified

multiple times in the US Senate, US

House of Representatives, European

Parliament, and many state capitals

concerning public health policy. Dr.

McCullik,

>> Chairman Johnson, ranking member

Blumenthal, subcommittee members, it's

an honor to present my insights, my

analysis, my clinical experience on the

this very important topic. The first

time I testified at Homeland Security

and Governmental Affairs, before a word

came out of my mouth,

Minority Senator, Senator Gary Peters

said, "What America was about to hear

was misinformation."

I didn't even know what he was talking

about. I had never heard that term

before in academic medicine or in uh

important deliberations. That's November

19th, 2020.

What was he doing? He was using an old

communist propaganda technique.

He was attempting to gain leverage over

me before a word ever came out of my

mouth. We should never have our public

servants ever try to gain leverage over

anyone who is coming to Washington to

help the nation on an important issue.

As introduced, I'm an internist. I'm a

cardiologist. I believe I'm the most

published individual who's ever

testified on matters regarding CO 19

in any of these hearings.

I've seen and examined more patients.

I've examined more data. And I'm one of

the most published people on the topic

in the world. And as a cardiologist, I

can tell you my role in this was to

fight disease, preserve life, and above

all, do no harm. Do no harm.

Now, the topic today is myocarditis or

heart damage from the CO 19 vaccines.

I'm a cardiologist. I know the topic

well. I've examined thousands of

patients with this problem. Thousands.

Before the pandemic, I had two patients

ever with this problem. There's 1,65

papers in the peer-reviewed literature

on COVID vaccine myocarditis.

So, let me summarize them for you. The

first one that came on my radar screen

that was alarming came from Washington

University in St. Louis, August 18th of

2021. The first author is Verma and

colleagues, New England Journal of

Medicine.

42-y old man comes into Washington

University Hospital with vaccine

myocarditis. The infection is ruled out.

It's the vaccine. He's in the hospital.

This is one of our best hospitals in the

United States. He dies 3 days after

taking Madna. They can't save him in the

hospital.

>> Say Dr. Macau, move the microphone just

a little bit away from you.

>> Then one was reported from Korea by Choy

and colleagues.

This is now a younger man just a few

days after Fizer. He comes in the

hospital, he dies within eight hours of

being in the hospital. I can tell you

I'm a cardiologist. That doesn't even

happen with heart attacks. He dies

within eight hours. I examined all of

the slides and the the images that the

Koreans had showed us. It looked like

somebody took a blowtorrch to that

heart. It was so completely fried with

inflammation. His heart was destroyed.

These cases

which were widely known at the time

should have gotten everyone's attention.

Everyone should have been laser focused

on this. We should never have someone

die

after taking a vaccine. That's directly

caused to the vaccine. Then Gil and

colleagues Connecticut

published an archives of pathology. two

boys aged 16 and 17 who die a few days

after taking Fizer. These are teenagers.

They're found dead at home

by their parents. They're absolutely

horrified.

They request an autopsy. They call in

University of Michigan and University of

Minnesota to look over what are they

finding at autopsy. Conclusion, it's

Fizer COVID 19 vaccine myocarditis.

Unequivocal. These are autopsy confirmed

cases. So for all the mothers in the

room, how would they feel if they found

their children dead after taking a CO 19

vaccine? This is in the peer-reviewed

literature. This is not misinformation.

Everyone should be paying attention to

this. This is not conjecture. This is in

the peer-reviewed literature. So we

started to ask ourselves, what is going

on?

Turns out that fizer and madna in Jansen

are the genetic code for the spike

protein. The spike protein is the

damaging part of the virus. The spike

protein is loaded into the body and it

causes tremendous damage. Tremendous

damage in some acute myocarditis appears

to have some genetic predilction and all

of the vials of the vaccine are not the

same. But I can tell you I'm concerned

that until the vaccines are stopped

there will be cases of acute

myocarditis. And to finish we've had 216

vaccine deaths this year alone. So if

the vaccine campaign continues we have

to look at what are we getting out of it

now four and a half years of the

campaign and how many more people will

die. I'm Dr. Peter McCulla. Thank you

for listening.

>> Thank you Dr. McCulla. Our next witness

is Dr. Jordan Vaughn. Dr. Vaughn is a

physician and clinical researcher in

Birmingham Birmingham, Alabama. As owner

and CEO of Medel Clinics, Dr. Vaughn has

directed his organization to the leading

edge of early outpatient treatment of CO

19 for his patients and greater

Birmingham community. Dr. Vaughn has

treated over 4,000 longcoid and COVID

vaccine injured patients. Dr. Vaughn,

thank you. Uh, Chairman Johnson and uh,

uh, Ranking Member Blumenthal, thank you

for having me. Um, I'm going to dovetail

a little bit off what uh, Dr. Mcola said

and one of the things that uh, as a

clinician who also had about 200 people

working for him and actually seeing

about 170,000 patients a year. When

COVID came along, I had to really figure

out how to not only help my staff and

make sure they're safe, but also help

the patients that uh, my organization

was responsible for. And that really

made me dive into understanding the

pathology. And what I came away with was

understanding that the spike protein,

the S1 subunit specifically, is not a

benign protein. It triggers

inflammation. It disrupts endthelial

barriers. It induces fibbron resistant

to breakdown and it promotes a lot of

amalloid aggregates, which is what I

research. These effects impair oxygen

delivery, damage blood vessels,

contribute to clotting pathologies that

manifest with a lot of the symptoms that

we're seeing in the long COVID and

vaccine injured, which to this day is a

huge amount of people. We're talking

upwards of 10 to 15 million people in

America that are being affected by the

consequences of COVID in the long form

or vaccine injury. And the typical

symptoms are things like heart racing,

brain fog, shortness of breath, and

post-exertional malaise. In my clinic, I

actually use immunofllororescent

microscopy to be able to actually see

what's going on in the blood and look

for these amaloid aggregates. Some as

young as teenagers that are unable to

stand. Others are previously active

adults suffering small strokes without

typical identifiable causes. These are

not abstract theories. They are the

lived realities of my patients in

Alabama and beyond. The mRNA injection

heralded as a solution introduced a

novel mechanism lipid nanoparticles

delivering modified mRNA that instructs

the cells to produce a stabilized spike

protein. Unlike traditional vaccines,

this approach resulted in uncontrolled

production of the spike protein for an

unknown duration and distributes it

widely across organs including the

heart, brain and vascule and ovaries and

testes. The actual EMA their assessment

of kinarity which is Fiser's vaccine

noted biodistribution beyond the

injection site contradicting claims that

the vaccine stays in the arm and a

recent groundbreaking study using single

cell precision nanoarrier identification

revealed L&P accumulation in the heart

tissue of mice with adverse proteomic

changes in immune and vascular proteins

raising concerns about the uh cardiac

complications that dovetail with what we

were seeing when we were looking at card

uh the uh co 19 vaccine myocarditis. I

will tell my first encounter with the

vaccine injury came in winter of 2021.

69year-old man from Alabama presumed

presented with unexplained shortness of

breath. He was a patient of mine. I

really had no other reason that he had

this shortness of breath and after the

second fizer dose he actually uh had

significant shortness of breath. I

couldn't figure it out in a sense

because it would typically be that he

had a pulmonary imism but empirical

anticoagulation and antiplatlet therapy

brought rapid improvement. This case

prompted deeper investigation that the

spike protein's ability to induce fibrin

that's resistant to breakdown, activate

platelets irreversibly, and damage the

inside of our vessels, vessels that run

to every part of our body and every

organ, explained his symptoms, and those

of thousands more. Uh, since I have

treated approximately 4,000 patients

suffering from long co and vaccine

injury, or both, many were young and

previously healthy. For those with

vaccine injury, trust in public

institutions has been shattered. Many

were coerced under the August 2021

federal mandates. Despite legitimate

hesitations due to prior infection or

personal health risk, they knew their

body better than the agencies. Now

disabled, they are dismissed or ignored

by the systems that mandated their

compliance. The myocarditis signal was

also a big thing. This spring of 2021, a

clear safety signal emerged. myocarditis

in young males linked to mRNA vaccines.

The Department of Defense confirmed

cases of rare heart inflammation and

peer-reviewed studies later detected

circulating spike protein and

postvaccine myocarditis cases. Autopsy

findings have confirmed fatal vaccine

induced myocarditis. Yet, federal

authorities accelerated licensing and

mandates sidelining concerns. The CDC's

hesitation to issue a health alert on

myocarditis and the c the FDA's former

SEABR director promoting vaccines on

social media crossed a line from

oversight to advocacy. This was not

regulation. It was endorsement. Informed

consent is the foundation of a patient

physician relationship. Absent the

regulators providing that information,

that relationship is irrepably harmed

and the practice of medicine will

continue to suffer. In closing, I urge

you to stop blindly following the

science. Science does not lead anywhere.

It is an observer, measurer, and

descriptor. It must inform leadership,

not replace it. When leaders hide behind

the science to justify policy, they

abdicate responsibility. We need

leadership that humbly engages with

data, listens to patience, and actually

acts with courage. Thank you. I welcome

your questions.

>> Thank you, Dr. Vaughn. Next witness is

Dr. James Thorp. Dr. Thorp is a B board

certified obstitrician gynecologist and

maternal fetal medicine specialist with

over 44 years of clinical experience as

US veteran and widely published

physician. He has testified

internationally served as a peer a

journal peer reviewer board member of

the society for maternal field medicine

and examiner for the American board of

optrististics and gynecology. Dr. Thorp.

>> Thank you Mr. chairman and members of

the committee.

My patients I focus on the most

vulnerable patients, pregnant women and

pre-born. It is difficult to conceive of

a more egregious breach of medical

ethics by the governmentont controlled

medical industrial complex than the

promotion of CO 19 vaccines to pregnant

women thereby through transplental

transfer effectively vaccinating their

unborn and newborn children. This

campaign was not accidental.

It was calculated. Pregnant women are

were targeted deliberately for two

reasons. First, women are the primary

decision makers of health care across

the human lifespan, a known marketing

principle. Number two, pregnant women

are the most vulnerable patients. If

they could be convinced that the vaccine

was safe and effective, it would imply

that it was safe and effective for

everyone. From the outset of the

pandemic, this vaccine campaign was

never grounded in biological science,

but rather in behavioral science,

specifically the manipulation of public

perception through influence, fear, and

persuasion.

The federal government outsourced much

of this psychological operations to

NOS's which disseminated emotionally

charged and misleading messaging. These

entities falsely assured pregnant women

that the vaccines were proven safe and

essential for maternal and fetal newborn

health despite the fact that early

evidence indicated quite the opposite.

Pregnancy itself was protective against

CO 19 maternal mortality. Dr. Jay

Winston, an initiative director at

Harvard School of Public Health,

described the government's vaccine

marketing approach in a 2020 CBS News

interview. He explained that the

strategy was to quote go for the

lowhanging fruit. Those easiest to pick

and harvest, end quote, and the fruit in

quotes, tragically were pregnant women.

Only

this deception was institutionalized in

the now infamous Shima Bakuro study

published on April 21st, 2021 in the

digital version of the New England

Journal of Medicine. 21 authors claimed

the miscarriage rate was 12.6% but the

raw data revealed an 82% miscarriage

rate in women vaccinated during the

first trimester. This figure mirrors the

effects of chemical abortion drugs such

as RU486.

Also in the same journal edition on the

same day, an op-ed appeared by CDC

director Rashelle Winsky and journal

editor and chief Eric Rubin. These

publications were riddled with conflicts

of interest and deliberate

misrepresentations

intended to coers pregnant women into

taking vaccines. Subsequent studies have

also claimed that CO 19 vaccines are

safe and effective during pregnancy and

have been rebuked by respected

researchers. These publications are

fundamentally compromised by serious

conflicts of interest ranging from

biased funding sources and institutional

mandates and even threats to their

medical licenses and board

certifications. Between 2020 and 2022,

pharmaceutical companies paid 1.06 06

billion dollar to reviewers at leading

medical journals, the New England

Journal of Medicine, JAMAMA, Lancet, and

BMJ, thus corrupting the peerreview

process. At least six existing studies,

three from CDC, FDA, and two from Fizer

revealed major breaches in safety

signals for CO 19 vaccines in pregnancy.

These findings were ignored. Conversely,

countless independent researchers with

no conflicts of interest published

findings that contradicted the false

narratives and the pharmaceutical

industry narratives only to be rewarded

by persecution, censorship, and threats

to their medical licenses and board

certifications.

This is not hypothetical. It happened to

me. On February 8th, 2025, our team of

researchers published a peer-reviewed

study in science, public health policy,

and the law. We identified 37 adverse

pregnancy outcomes significantly

associated with CO 19 vaccine, including

miscarriage, still birth, birth defects,

cervical insufficiency, premature

rupture membranes, preterm birth, and

death of the newborn. Lynn and

colleagues in a major journal

publication documented that the CO 19

vaccine traverses the placenta, enters

the fetal blood, and bioactively

produces spike protein in the placenta

and the lining of the uterus. Recently,

animal studies revealed the mRNA COVID

vaccine causes the destruction of 60%

of the ovarian reserve in pre in rats.

This catastrophic public health failure

was financed with taxpayer dollars and

channeled through federal agencies to

medical gatekeepers such as the American

College of Obstitricians and

Gynecologist, ACOG, the American Board

of Obstetrics and Gynecology, ABOG, and

the Society for Maternal Fetal Medicine,

SMFM.

These organizations have abandoned their

ethics and responsibilities to

physicians and patients and must be held

accountable. I urge the government to

immediately halt all funding to these

entities and to end every promotional

campaign that coerces or recommends

experimental mRNA therapies to pregnant

women. This must stop now. Thank you.

>> Thank you. Do Dr. Thorp. Our next uh

our next witness is Dr. Joel Walsskcog.

Dr. Walsskcog is an orthopedic surgeon

originally from Wisconsin. He

experienced an adverse event after his

madna co 19 injection that he received

on December 30th, 2020. He has

subsequently been diagnosed with

transverse myelitis and unspecified

autoimmune disorder and autonomic

dysfunction. He is medically retired. He

is now co-chairman of React 19. Dr.

Walskcog.

Thank you, Senator Johnson, Senator

Blumenthal, and the subcommittee for

inviting me to testify on the

development and safety of the CO 19

vaccines. I am Joel Walsskcog, a

board-certified orthopedic surgeon, now

medically disabled after one dose of the

Madna

CO 19 vaccine. Before the pandemic, I

enjoyed a successful practice in

Wisconsin, performing over 800 major

surgeries annually, trusting my health

authorities. My practice followed CDC CO

19 guidelines, delaying surgeries and

even temporarily closing. I proudly

elected to get vaccinated and within a

week I developed leg weakness, numbness,

substantial balance loss

leading to falls including one while

treating a patient. Diagnosed with

transverse myelitis, a spinal cord

lesion at T8 T9. I was stunned that my

providers dismissed any vaccine link

despite news of similar cases halting

the Astroenica trial in the UK. Four

years later, while I can walk, I have

been diagnosed with dysotenomia and an

undefined autoimmune disorder. Both

debilitating conditions affecting

multiple body systems. I remain

medically retired. The career I loved

and worked so hard for is now gone.

In 2021, federal health agencies assured

Americans that the CO9 vaccine trials

were rigorous and closely monitored with

rigorous postmarketing surveillance.

They also claimed a robust safety net

that would handle what they said were

rare and mostly mild injuries with

monitoring, followup, and financial aid.

After my own vaccine injury, I learned

the hard way that nothing could be

farther from the truth.

In my own battle to restore my health, I

could not find a single reliable source

of information from the CDC, from the

FDA, or the NIH. Further, answers did

not come from medical teams, the media,

or even medical journals. Rather, the

answers were being pieced together by

tens of thousands of vaccine injured

patients huddled together in social

mediabased support groups who are

constantly fighting for their right to

simply exist.

You will hear today a great deal about

myocarditis, maternal female maternal

fetal complications and blood clotting

disorders after the co 19 shots. I hope

to talk more about the neurological

adverse events to the co vaccines. These

are the most common adverse event to the

co shots. I am now co-chair of React 19

which is a national science-based

non-political

nonprofit that represents over 36,000

Americans seriously injured by the CO 19

shots. Our mission is to provide

financial, physical, and emotional

support. This gives me a unique

perspective to share the collective

experience of those who have been harmed

not just by the co 19 vaccines

themselves but by also by the US

government.

React 19 surveyed our 36,000 members

asking if the FDA takes vaccine injured

injury seriously. 100%

said false. Not even one person voted

favorably. The vaccine injured share a

uniform story.

We did our duty for our country became

injured, disabled or died. We further

reported to VERS and Vsafe repeatedly

contacted our elected elected officials

and applied to the countermeasures

injury compensation program or CICP

only to face silence from the VERS no

response from Vsafe ghosting by our own

representatives and a 98% rejection rate

from the CICP.

The many cries for help were ignored.

Some were studied at the NIH in a

program under Dr. Fouchy where they were

diagnosed with vaccine complications but

never disclosed to the public despite

promises that the NIH would do so.

Privately, the agents said the agencies

said neurological conditions needed

early recognition and treatment, while

publicly they remained silent and often

denying that they were even treating

vaccine injuries. Rather, they promoted

boosters and high safety claims while

the White House directed social media to

censor quote true stories of vaccine

injury end quote. relegating NIH

confirmed injuries into silence. That

silence by health authorities, elected

representatives, and even our White

House has resulted in in even more

severe health outcomes and worse for

many, death. The PREP Act shields drug

companies from injury liability and

strips Americans of their constitutional

right to due process and jury trial.

This liability shield places the

responsibility squarely on the US

government to address this crisis. Our

constitutional rights must be replaced

with effective safety monitoring and

compensation.

Today, these programs are dismal

failures. Congress must urgently reform

these failing systems or remove itself

as a middleman and repeal the PREP act.

An analysis of clinical trial data

showed that for every

shows that for every 800 people

vaccinated, one suffers a serious

adverse event. We are here today to end

the silence for the one in 800.

It is time to stop politicizing vaccine

injuries and start building

meaningful recognition,

research, competent care, and fair and

just compensation.

At React 19, we say we're we've had

negative reactions, but we're about

seeking positive actions. I will not

stop until these humanitarian goals are

met. Thank you.

>> Thank you, Drew Walsscock. Our next

witness is Dr. are Mr. Eron Siri. Miss

Siri is the managing partner of Siri and

Glimstad with over 85 professionals. He

has handled numerous high-profile cases

involving challenges to medical

mandates, restoring exemptions, uh

agency transparency, including forcing

FDA to release the CO 19 vaccine lensure

documents and deposing immunologists,

infectious disease doctors, and

vaccinologists. Mr. Siri,

>> good afternoon.

>> Good afternoon. Thank you. Um yeah, our

vaccine practice I believe which has

over 40 professionals I doesn't

represent pharmaceutical companies I

believe is the largest vaccine practice

in the world. When we litigate vaccine

cases we cannot rely on credentials or

fancy titles.

We have to prove our claims with high

impact data and sources. For example, I

saw a slide put up that showed 3 million

lives were saved from CO 19 vaccines.

The citation to it was to the

Commonwealth Fund. If you follow that,

that's not a peer-reviewed study. That's

a blog. It's a blog that used a

mathematical model to calculate that 3

million lives were saved. So, I agree

with uh uh the senator Blumenthal that

who said, you know, quote, claims

made, I think you meant vaccines, we

need to examine the evidence. And that's

an example of that. We need to look

carefully at the evidence we are relying

upon when we are making claims about

vaccines. I don't think that if I went

into court and I was relying on a blog

that used a mathematical model, I would

be laughed out of court if I was making

those claims about vaccines. But

unfortunately, when it comes to

promoting vaccines, well, that's what we

often see. The underlying data is not

typically really carefully evaluated.

Claims about what vaccines do when

they're positive because our health

agencies are responsible promoting them

easily made. Claims that vaccines cause

any harms or injuries often get ignored

no matter how good the underlying data.

I also heard that deaths sharply

declined

in 2021.

Well, when you look at all cause

mortality in the United States, deaths

in 2021 went up compared to 2020. And

presumably most of the most frail, the

weak among us died in 2020 from COVID.

We should have had a reduction in all

cause mortality in United States. We did

not. And those numbers are you can't

argue with. They're binary. You're

either dead or you're alive. You can

argue whether the vaccine killed you or

didn't kill you. Whether COVID killed

you or didn't kill you, but it's can't

argue with all cause mortality. And we

did not have a reduction in all cause

mortality in 2021. We had an increase.

And we really need to answer that

question. We have sent many letters to

our federal health officials trying to

get an answer to that. With that said,

not only do we need to carefully study

the data and science before we go and

litigate our vaccine cases because

again, I don't have a MD or a PhD or an

M. PH um we also need to understand the

economic and regulatory framework around

vaccines and co 19 vaccines did not just

fall into a vacuum they fell into a very

welldeveloped regulatory and economic

framework for vaccines that has

developed over the last 40 years for

every product on the market you can sue

the manufacturer for harm for design

defect claims meaning the claim that the

product could have made safer I mean

literally look around this room planes

cars pharmaceutical drugs everyone

there's only one product in America you

cannot sue the manufacturer for design

de claim to claim that it could have

been made safer and that are vaccines I

heard uh you know injections vaccines my

definition of vaccine is any product for

which the government needs to give it

immunity from harms to me that's what a

vaccine is cuz some in prevent infection

some don't that's what a vaccine is

meaning it can't survive without that

immunity apparently why did vaccines get

this immunity um which was provided in

1986 under the national childhood

vaccine injury act because leading up to

86 there only three routine childhood

vaccines MMR OPV and DTP and they were

causing so much harm and causing so much

liability that that uh all the

manufacturers were going out of business

to stop making them and Congress instead

of forcing those manufacturers to do

what every other product manufacturer

needs to do in that situation which is

what make a better safer product instead

said you know what we're just going to

give you immunity we're going to make it

so nobody can sue you for those harms

and you can keep selling your product to

the American public no matter how many

children, it kills or injures.

Um, and the the issue is that that

immunity was not just given for those

three products. It was given for any

childhood vaccine, routine childhood

vaccine that was developed thereafter.

Um, and and I I sell you this not to

take issue with childhood vaccines, but

to explain to you the regulatory

framework in which vaccines have

developed over the last 40 years. We

have now gone from three injections in

the first year of life under the CDC

schedule 86 to 29 injections including

in uterero. If a child follows a CDC

schedule today, every one of those

vaccines, save one, was developed by a

pharmaceutical company knowing they

would not be responsible for the

injuries that are caused by those

products. So when you have drug trials

where pharmaceutical companies they care

about losing money, they don't want to

lose money on their drugs. They often do

multi-year placebo control trials before

they get on the market because they

don't want to end upside down. They're

there to make money. But with vaccine

products because they don't have that

financial incentive, they have the

actually the disincentive. Almost every

childhood vaccine in this country is

licensed based on clinical trials with

often with no placebo control say for

COVID 19 vaccine. Often days or weeks up

to maybe six months of safety review

after injection and are often extremely

underpowered. Those trials could never

have really confirmed the safest

product. And my submission to this

committee laid out every single vaccine

and put them in detail. I I will um

since I'm running out of time, I'll just

wrap up by saying this. Um

um uh you might say, well, okay, the

pharmaceutical companies did that, but

why would why would the FDA allow it?

It's because unfortunately our federal

health authorities are hopelessly

conflicted. Congress gave them

conflicting structural duties. They're

responsible for promoting vaccines and

for defending them in the vaccine

compensation program. And you also asked

them to be responsible for safety. those

conflict. One has overtaken the other

and and and for the most part based on

our over 2004 requests to federal health

agencies over the years on behalf of our

client I can I could tell you our

federal health agencies act like

partners with pharma they don't they

they don't they're not only they

encourage their inroads they act

basically in the shoes of pharma because

when the immunity to liability was given

to the pharmaceutical companies Congress

recognized that apparently and

transferred all the safety functions to

HHS and the mandate for safer child

vaccines and by doing so it's made them

hopelessly conflicted. Um that was a

very very quick way to try and convey uh

the regulatory and economic framework

into which co 19 vaccines fell into um

and why you know from the pharmaceutical

and FDA's perspective the co 19 vaccine

clinical trials may have been robust and

they were compared to childhood vaccines

but compared to drugs or anybody that

actually wants to assess safety they

absolutely were not robust. They were

incredibly anemic. And as for postit

ensure regulators didn't do their jobs,

but really they acted like

pharmaceutical companies seeking to

cover up harms and avoid reputational

damage and financial liability. I hope

this hearing can help begin the process

of changing that. Thank you and I

apologize for going over on my time.

>> Y thank you Mr. Siri. Our final witness

is governor and doctor. I've always

found senators like to be called doctor

if they are one. So governor and Dr.

Josh Green. Governor Green is the ninth

governor of Hawaii. He earned his

degrees in biology and anthropology from

Swarm Swathmore College and an MD from

Penn State's College of Medicine. Dr.

Green served two terms in the Hawaii

House of Representatives, three terms in

the Hawaii State Senate, and a term as

Lieutenant Governor during which he was

the state's point person addressing the

COVID pandemic. Dr. Green was the

elected governor in December 2022.

Governor Green,

>> thank you, Chair Johnson. Uh, thank you

so much for welcoming me. Thank you, um,

Ranking Member Blumenthal. Thank you,

senators. Uh, first of all, I'm coming

to you as a physician.

When I speak as a doctor, I'm here to

say that vaccines save lives. Period. I

care about saving lives. You care about

saving lives. Everyone in this room, I

believe, cares about saving lives. But

I've seen firsthand children dying from

the spread of preventable diseases

because of vaccine skepticism,

because people lose faith. Uh I've seen

the lives of some children in one house

who are vaccinated live while children

in the house next door who have not been

vaccinated die. And we saw a lot of this

during co I want to tell you a little

bit about my co experience as the co

liaison in my state state of 1.4 million

people.

And let me uh preface this by saying we

worked very closely with President Trump

and his team and then subsequently as

Lieutenant Governor I was able to work

very closely with President Biden and

his team and I appreciate them both. I

appreciate that President Trump using

Operation Warp Speed got us a

vaccination in extraordinary time. We

were desperate as healthc care

providers. I worked as an emergency room

physician virtually every single weekend

for 20 plus years, including through the

whole pandemic. And this is what I saw.

I saw people dying of terrible disease

when they caught the Delta variant of

COVID especially. I saw people

recover

better when they had been vaccinated. In

Hawaii, we had the lowest mortality rate

in the country. We had the highest

vaccination rate in the country.

People have asked me in the course of

the prep for this uh hearing, well, is

Hawaii safer because it's a tropical

island state? No, actually, it's quite

the contrary. We had CO coming from east

in Asia where it originated and West

travelers from the mainland. But we put

together programs based on science. Day

by day, I counted case after case after

case because there was so much

uncertainty. And I was able to share in

our state where we had infectious

disease doctors, where we had extra need

for ventilators, where we had extra need

for vaccinations where the rates were

lower. And day by day, working with all

the healthcare providers in my state,

and listening to others, not mandating.

I'm not a mandate guy. That may come as

a surprise to some today. We were able

to make sure that we had a science-based

response. We put together a safe travels

program which tested anyone coming into

the islands so they wouldn't travel or

that they would isolate or quarantine if

they were positive so they wouldn't

spread the disease. And over time we had

the experience that no one else had. We

saw death rates constantly lower than

all the other states with the single

exception of Vermont on occasion.

I tell you this because we have to

follow science and I truly believe that

we can't politicize science or

vaccinations or any of these public

health matters and it's very important

going forward. This is where we should

unite with one another. We should heal

our country together in this space. Now,

another experience I had uh measles. I

was the doctor that was asked to go to

Samoa when they had their outbreak of

measles. Why did they have their

outbreak? Because they lost faith in the

vaccination program and it was tragic.

The Children's Health Defense went there

and they scared people. After tragedy,

admittedly, it should have never

happened. I had children die in my arms

who were not vaccinated but died of

measles. This beautiful boy was with me

and a pediatrician. Dr. Nadine Tansala

had a terrible case of the measles and

some of his relatives passed away from

the disease. But we went there and we

vaccinated 37,000 individuals in 48

hours and the measles just stopped. And

I say this because this is what we have

to look forward to in the future. If we

somehow fall into a place where we don't

believe in vaccinations any longer and

we shouldn't do it blindly. We should

study them. We should check for safety.

Absolutely. That is essential in

science.

But these vaccinations save lives. They

saved many lives during co in my state.

They saved over 10,000 lives. We

anticipated mass casualties which we

never saw because we fought this disease

uh with great intelligence and great

acumen.

I will tell you this there are lots of

things to share today. Protests

resonated through the co experience in

my state. People protested at my home

around my family. But the leader of the

protests ultimately after I was worried

that he would catch COVID did exactly

that. Ended up in grave grave peril. His

wife was in the intensive care unit. His

name was Wickoff. He later later

disavowed the protests against the

vaccinations after seeing individual

after individual after individual be

intubated and go into the ICU because he

experienced it. And that's what we as

physicians see too often once a tragedy

occurs. And my heart is with everyone

who had any kind of reaction to the

vaccines that we're talking about or

loses a loved one. Of course, we love

our our fellow mankind, but we cannot

turn away from science. So, these are

some of the things I wanted to share

with you today. Ultimately, we have to

decide whether we're going to be

committed to public health in our

country. And right now, we are in great

peril. It is absolutely my firm belief

that vaccines have saved millions of

lives over the last 50 years, 150

million by many people's accounts. It's

decreased infant mortality by 40%

globally. And we have to continue to

commit ourselves in this way. So I'm

concerned. I'm concerned that as we end

up in a politicized discussion that we

will move away from science. We will not

trust one another experts. We will not

trust one another and we will end up in

conflict. So what I would say is this.

Let's work together. Let's find a way to

actually find the common ground to

protect our children. Let's find a way

to make sure our public health system

remains intact, not taken apart by the

current approach where HHS is

jettisoning many of its people, many of

the billions of dollars, perhaps many of

the vaccinations. This is our

opportunity to come together. And I'm

sure we'll talk more about this as the

hearing goes on, but I'll say one last

time, vaccines save lives. I've given

vaccines. I've taken vaccines. I've

treated people that didn't get vaccines

and it's broken my heart when they've

passed away.

>> Thank you, Governor Green. Um, quick

comment.

I'm not aware anybody on my side of this

issue has politicized it. The accusation

is always that we are. We're not. Um,

you did state, by the way, 10,000 lives

saved in Hawaii. I would love to have

your citation on that. So, if you can

give us a study so we can put that in

the record. and any other citation give

us on the millions of lives saved by

vaccines as well. I mean I'd like again

I want to know the truth. Just real

quick I've got a couple other charts I

want to put up there. Uh this is a chart

a lot of people produced it.

>> Chairman if I could just interrupt for

10 seconds over here. Sure.

>> Uh is today's just a point of order. Are

we talking about vaccines or are we

talking about the COVID vaccine?

>> Well specifically we were talking about

the the hiding of the safety signal on

myocarditis.

>> So we're not talking about all vaccines.

>> We can talk about anything you want to.

Okay. I mean, again, it has obviously

opened up because we're also talking

about the corruption of science and I

think science has been corrupted. Uh, so

fair game. So again, I appreciate you

staying here and stick around and ask a

lot of questions. I think you'll learn

an awful lot. Put my time back on the

clock. No, I'll keep take whatever I

want. This is a chart. This is a chart

again. I I started I was looking at the

veyes. You know, I had been I had been

>> Mr. Chairman, that's not the way I ran

this sub. I had been well this is a

different different again I'll be very

generous okay um I was I was actually

instructed as a non-d doctor what the co

injections were encapsulated in lipid

nanop particle that was designed to

permeate difficult to permeate barriers

so they lied to us when they said they'd

stay in the arm they knew it wouldn't

they had a study uh the Japanese

regulators uncovered that when they did

do a biodistribution study in rats it

distributed all over the body. So that

was the first lie. Didn't really talk

about too much about the toxicity yet of

the of the lipid nanoparco, but it goes

all over the body. So I was I was aware