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1:22:53EnglishBy SUARA BERKELASTranscribed Jul 29, 2026
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Because sometimes the closest people also demand that I be strong. So I was demanded to only listen, but not be heard.

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So I am a house, but who is my house? Living life doesn't have to be constantly finding answers. What kind of life we will live later, age increases, we meet new people, we travel to see the world and new perspectives, our life means change. I ask for your time, I ask you to listen to me. There are two differences between

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Personal branding and creation. I made ABCDEFG, I actually posted it because it was part of my personal branding strategy. But I'm not like that, I'm just like that on camera, that's creation. Why do I say that my classmates are who they are when people don't see them? Because in today's social media, people are kind when they have eyes. People are kind when they have eyes.

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Hi, thank you for...

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...the introduction. Finally I can invite Prilly to come here. And I told Prilly that one of my favorite episode in Suara Berkelas is with Omara. And it's incomplete if only Omara comes here. I want Prilly to come here too. She's also my favorite when we're talking here. Wow. -Yeah, she tells a lot of stories. Thank you, thank you for coming. And before we discuss a lot of things, I want to tell a little bit about Suara Berkelas.

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We just got an award from Spotify. We became the number one education podcast in Indonesia. Thank you to all of you who have supported Suara Bekelas from the beginning. I'm so happy to share this with Prily. For those who haven't subscribed yet, subscribe to Suara Bekelas on Youtube and follow us on Spotify. - Thank you. - Congratulations. - I'm so happy to have this moment. - Congratulations to FFI. - Oh yeah, thank God. - Amazing.

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Prilly, I'm curious, how can you define your authenticity? I see authenticity as the courage to be honest in every activity or whatever we do. For example, as an actor, in front of the camera, we borrow

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...to live another person's life, to borrow other people's logic. But I don't think it means we leave ourselves. When we're in front of the camera as actors... ...it's like a meeting between the world of character and my soul. And there's still honesty and authenticity there. Likewise, Prilly who's in front of the camera... ...in a class-class voice podcast. This is Prilly who...

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I want to talk, I want to discuss, but this is still the side of Prilly that is inside me. So in every activity, I still show the truth about who I really am. Even though not all of them, because humans have many sides. It's different from Prilly who is at home. So it depends on where I am, there is still truth inside. How far is the distance between Prilly's side at home?

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With Prilly that we see in front of the camera, if you can be open here. - Far, far. - Very far. - Let me know. - Maybe now it's a little closer, maybe. But far because Prilly in front of the camera is Prilly who must be on. Must be cheerful, must be able to give positive energy. While Prilly at home is Prilly who is without a costume, without a label.

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Without people's demands and expectations, a Prilly who is still in the process, still learning, still stubborn, and a not perfect Prilly. So it's quite far, Prilly who can cry, can feel tired, can feel that he is not enough, that is a Prilly who is at home. Because in front of people, Prilly is staying at home, not being taken out of the house.

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So it's quite far. That's why new friends who used to see me from social media and then know me better. Or for example with a partner, suddenly seeing closer. There must be sides that they just saw and they just understand why I'm that far away at home and outside. I've seen the postings that I've told you.

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You wear a Doraemon shirt, it was bought by your mother right? But Omara also commented right, I also saw from the side that Wow, this is really pretty, there is still a little one like that There is a little child in your body that maybe I saw from that posting

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How are the little kids and why are they still happy until today? Honestly, the little kids sometimes rise to the surface and are bigger than the older ones. Sometimes, if with someone who is loved. Okay. And the little kids' priliang actually hasn't been loud for a long time, right? Because I've been working since I was a kid. I've been a sister since I was a kid. So since I was a kid, I was forced to be mature by the system.

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forced to grow up with the working environment because I have been working since I was a child and forced to grow up with the situation where I am the first daughter who has a younger brother and in the past, the education was that you had to give up, right? Yes, I have to give up, like parenting in the past and now are very different, maybe also because our parents are not exposed to social media, so the information they get to be parents is not as much as now, so it's only natural if there is a difference

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As a way of being mean. We used to feel that way. Don't cry. You lost to your younger siblings. You're older now. So, from a young age, this little Prilly is used to hiding her emotions. She can't cry. She can't be shy. She has to be responsible for her work. She's used to working with adults.

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So he was much embraced and pressured by this little Prilly from the past. Now, when the current Prilly has the freedom to be able to express himself in front of the people he loves, in front of his partner, in front of his parents. The little Prilly is on the surface and actually more dominant.

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So my behavior can be like a little kid Or even can appear at a time when I don't want this little Prilly to appear For example, when I fight or when I have different opinions with my partner Because I'm comfortable with my partner and I feel this little Prilly is safe He appeared to the surface, finally my emotional management is not like an adult Prilly

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I'm going to say what, but because the little Prily is dominant, she's crying, she's in a tantrum. So, honestly, the little Prily sometimes likes to dominate when I don't want to. But I understand why she likes to appear, because maybe she doesn't appear enough when I was still young. Because when I was still young, I had to be responsible for many things.

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- Forced to grow up by the system, by the work, by the situation. - Yes. Wow, that's really brilliant when you talk about it. Sometimes, even today, there are children who suddenly appear and if they remember again, "Oh maybe when I was little, I didn't get that." - Yes. - Simply, when I was little, I couldn't get a PS2, for example. - Yes. So when I bought a PS5 with my own money today, I was like, "Oh, happy, right?" - I still like to buy toys today.

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Really? I still like to buy toys. Until... Omara once told me... I've watched your TikTok live. Or your Instagram live. You were playing magic. Then I said... Because when I was young... I couldn't possibly buy expensive toys. Because when I was born...

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My parents were not as good as when my younger brother was born. So my younger brother got toys, but I don't like toys anymore because it's big, right? So I don't get toys anymore. So now if I go through a toy store, I buy dolls or I buy magic dolls or toys for children these days. And that makes me really happy even though it's just displayed at home, right? But I'm happy I have it and I feel...

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That's a small choice, what I want. And I try to keep fulfilling that. But when you told me that, I saw that there's a grumpy side in the adult phase. Like, it's okay if we're grumpy, if we're being vulnerable. Especially if you come to a class, I've never seen you as a big name, but a normal human. Is there a grumpy phase of you?

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At the lowest point, then you start to learn, you rise up. And even no one wants to understand you, right? And if there is, let me know, at what stage can a person be in that phase? There is really. That's why I wrote this book. There are three phases, burst, full and come back to full. These are the phases that I have also felt in my life, right? If I can let go of all the shields and labels that are in my soul. Honestly, burst, full and come back to full is really close to my life, right?

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The crazy phase is when I'm very tired but I still have to keep going. The phase where I feel that it's very difficult for me to be loved. The phase where I feel that there are many people who like me but don't like my life. So the phases where I feel that I can't be fully accepted. Those are the crazy phases and becoming a chosen one who has to

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...fulfill people's expectations, understand other people. Because if we don't understand other people... ...we will be considered arrogant or selfish. It's really hard because everyone is loyal to me. But I don't have a place to be loyal. Everyone has their own expectations of me. But who can I expect? That's the trap. There are negative comments from people or even from people who have...

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...become my close friend or ever in my life. I'm throwing away the words that hurt me and make me lose value in myself. It's in the first part of my poem. I was told that I was like a loose cloth. - A loose cloth? - A loose cloth. What does it mean? Because when I work, I give my energy to my work.

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Giving energy for my work, I try for 100% I don't want to disappoint employees and companies So I work 100% But maybe when I'm done working, I meet my friends My energy is gone Because I definitely meet after work After work we meet people, meet friends My energy is gone So I don't have room for

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People tell me or I don't have any room anymore for people to talk to me because I also want to talk to people. But people hope that I am always there for them, like that and I have to be able to continue to be strong, like that. And finally I had

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You're like a rag that's already worn out, you know? When you go home from work and meet someone Because your energy is running out So there's no left for us There's no left for us to tell, it's also lazy Because if you want to tell you, you also look tired Want to tell you about our lives too We think like your life is also more difficult than ours So you don't give money for people to be stingy with you That sentence is quite surprising Because

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I feel that people around me hope that I can continue to be their home. Without giving a comfortable place to go home to myself. So I am a house, but who is my home? What is my home? Where is the comfortable place that I can also be a shelter? Because sometimes the closest people also ask me to be strong. So I was asked to just listen

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But I didn't hear it. Those are the phases that I felt were broken. So I felt so alone. I felt like I was continuously enjoying my own sadness. So there are so many poems where I'm alone, in a quiet room. Feeling sad, but I feel like I don't have a place to tell. Because when I tell, the most common sentence I receive is, "Well, it's better that way." Wow, that's...

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That's hard. We can't judge people's problems from the material. Okay, we see that people have everything. They have money. But God is certainly fair. God will give problems that are in accordance with His level. But it doesn't mean that He's not sad. It doesn't mean that He can't be human. I'm often teased when I'm crying. My friend or something, I'm teased. "You're crying but your house is a marmer." What?

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Is it really your friend or just people around you? Yes, people. For example, I told them, "You cry too, tomorrow you can buy a ticket to Italy, then you cry in Lecomo." And I felt like, "Yes, but that doesn't mean I stopped crying, right?" "It means I'm still crying, right?" "It means there's still sadness there that needs to be embraced and heard." Well, that's the phase of retak where I really felt it myself. Because I felt like I didn't deserve to be sad.

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I don't feel that my position as a Prihlatu Kondisina is the person who shouldn't be sad, shouldn't be hurt. Because if I'm hurt, it means I'm not grateful. That's the stage. So it's very difficult, those phases. And finally I was born.

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...become a poem. Poems have flowers and verses... ...that don't represent my condition 100%. But I just hide my feelings through poems and verses... ...that are in the retak phase. Then I went to the whole phase. In the whole phase, I tried to... ...tell all the feelings that I felt I shouldn't be loved... ...or I shouldn't be sad.

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Or I'm still standing in the middle of a circle of friends or environment that makes me feel like that all the time. So in the whole phase, I try to leave things that are no longer worthy of me. People who may not give me room. My standards for myself, my standards for myself, which may be too high because of people's expectations, I try to leave people who are no longer good.

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sadness or insecure feelings that I feel I don't value, I try to fix it and try to dare to step and accept that I am just an ordinary human being, the same as others. Our difference is profession, my profession is a public figure seen by people, but I am still human. That's in the whole phase. The phase that is also difficult because

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There were a lot of discussions between me and myself. What do I want? What do I want to pursue in this life? What are my expectations of myself? What is the meaning of life that I want to find? There were a lot of discussions and empty spaces that I filled with myself. Asking myself, "Let the full phase be born." Until finally, the phase went on and on.

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I feel that now, hopefully, I'm in the full recovery phase. Full recovery is not a phase where I become a better Pri Liang, but actually the full recovery phase is a phase where I finally accept the suffering that I went through, the struggle that I faced, that it was a process that

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...that makes us as humans should feel enough. Because the struggle itself is victory. That's the full recovery phase. And actually... ...the full recovery phase reminds me of a book that I read. Your book, Albert, The Myth of Sisyphus. Where you say...

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Life is like pushing a big rock up a hill just to see the rock hanging down again, then we lift it up again. But our courage to continue and find meaning for ourselves and accept the absurdity of the tasks and processes that we experience in life.

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...that is victory and courage to go through life. And that is a sign that we have found meaning in this life. It doesn't mean we have to give up, but we can find meaning even in pain. That's why in the book The Myth of C. C. Voss, Albert Kamu said... ...we have to imagine that C. C. Voss is happy. When he was given a very absurd task to...

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...and kept pushing the big rock, he kept doing it. Choosing to do it, not to die. Not to choose to die. Why did he keep suffering? Because in the suffering process, he found a new meaning. That's what made me feel that this is a complete return process. Where I can accept that the struggle I experienced...

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is my process to become complete and my process to find the meaning of life, my own version of myself. And finally, the book is broken and back to its original form. In the economic creators' era like now, everyone is fighting for the profit from the digital world. But the fact is not everyone knows that we can make money from one website builder only. We can sell classes, make digital products, consultancy books, even make e-books.

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We make our works and sell them and people can go there to check out. So we can sleep 24 hours a day, we don't have to control the builder's website. But money can still come from our work. I will give you the solution. The solution is in LinkID. I've been using LinkID since 2022. And it's very easy for us as creators to generate money.

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And everyone can access your work there. For example, you're a writer like me. You can make e-books. Even people can consult you by making appointments there. And they can determine the title, adjust it to our title as writers. Even the interesting thing is, even though you don't have your own digital product, you can affiliate people's products on LinkedIn. And that's amazing. A lot of creators out there don't have their own product, but they can get 2 digits, 3 digits per month on LinkedIn.

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So, for those of you who haven't made the link yet, what are you waiting for? Let's make it now. Wow, that's amazing, Brili. I really appreciate it because from the story of the explosion to the Hollywood Tooth, it will be related to the 20-year-old who is watching this. Because I'm really curious why many people see that they have a strong character and they finally answer.

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On the other hand, life is very hard, there are a lot of suffering and I'm not surprised why many people are born older, more prepared in everything. Because I always see what tests have passed. Yes, but not many people think like you. Sometimes people see the success of someone, it's just on the surface. Of course, people sometimes forget that there is a process and there are many sufferings or sacrifices that maybe that person has gone through.

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And maybe the sacrifice and suffering that makes people deserve it, because they finally get what they have now. But I don't think many people are aware of that. Maybe because of technological advancement, which finally makes people be able to see other people's lives only from 30 seconds or 15 seconds of video. People have summarized what their lives are like from what they post without thinking that

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Everyone wants a trophy, but no one wants to feel the suffering behind the scene.

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When you said "Abel, I remember my conversation with Naumara when I recorded the words "To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in suffering" That's part of living. If we only live flat and see it from the materialistic side, I'm sure

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Many people should suffer more when living such a life. Living a life doesn't mean you have to keep finding answers. We keep moving but this world is actually silent. We will never find the absolute answer, what is the meaning of life for us. Because the meaning of life will keep changing.

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What kind of life we will live later, age increase, we meet new people, we travel, see the world and new perspectives, our meaning of life changes. So we don't have to find meaning and that meaning doesn't have to be absolute. That's why when I'm asked by people, "What is your endgame?" I don't know. I don't know what my endgame is. What I know is that I have to continue to live this life, no matter how this life gives me

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...suffering or a process that I don't want to go through... ...I still have to go through. I don't know how far the endgame is. What's clear is that I want to live my life... ...according to the meaning that I want to find. And continue to give an impact. And most importantly, live with integrity. So if you ask me what the endgame is, I don't know. I want to ask, "What is your endgame?" Well, I don't know. It doesn't mean that I don't have a plan in my life. But the endgame will continue to change.

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I also remember what you said when you said that, "If you cry, you can go to Italy tomorrow. You can go anywhere tomorrow." Simple question, why does it all have to be related to materialistic choices? Like, you're sad, the context has to be based on the sadness side. It's not just the conclusion that you're sad, you have a lot of money. You're stressed, but you have a lot of houses.

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Why do you think that is? Is it because those people who judge have trauma with their financials or they have injuries with their materialistic side or something like that? From POV, what do you think now? In my opinion, because many people feel that happiness can be achieved with money and many people who involve people are sad and suffer because

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He doesn't have money. So it always adds sadness and poverty. He's sad, he can't eat because he's poor. So when there are people who look rich or have a lot of money and he's sad, it's not right because you have money. Money can buy happiness. So actually in our system there is no, there is no what, there is no assumption that money cannot buy happiness. Actually,

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Everyone must think money can buy happiness. That's why many people associate sadness with material. Which is okay. Because everyone has their own suffering. I will never be able to compare my sadness with people who can't eat out there. Impossible. And I'm grateful I can eat. I'm grateful I can live in a comfortable house. I will never be able to compare my suffering with their suffering.

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Because I can't compare. Well, don't compare my emotions with... Emotions that have nothing to do with it, in my opinion. That's why when I'm compared to... Emotions of other people. I'm sad. Then suddenly I'm compared to people who are hungry. That's not...

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It doesn't connect, it doesn't connect. I'm sad for example because I don't have a friend. Then I cry. Then it's tied, it's better if you can eat. There are poor people who can't eat. It doesn't connect. I'm sad because I don't have a friend. This one is sad because he can't eat. Not apple to apple. Not apple to apple. But people usually connect sadness with material. Even though,

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There are also people who may live in harmony, but they are very happy because their family is whole. - A lot. - He may not know what to eat tomorrow, but he is happy because his parents are always there for him. He is happy because he has friends who see him as himself, not as what he has. But there are also people here who are really sad, with a lot of wealth, but sad because their parents never exist for them, their parents are busy working.

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He's sad because he doesn't have a sincere friend. Because his friends want him to be just a friend. There are two differences in life here. We can't compare his sadness with this sadness. Because the background of life is different. Maybe people are used to measuring happiness through the material we have. So the weight of emotion is not seen. That's why many people are less empathetic. So in my opinion, there must be a lot of what? There must be a lot of seeing other people's lives, empathizing with...

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...and not just seeing it from the surface. Less empathy. You also mentioned about the friendship side. Maybe they hope to go back to Prilly to tell their story. But they don't want to hear or understand you, who might be struggling. Do you feel you're 100% lonely at that point?

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Because no one listens to you anymore, understands you when you're in a panic. And if you're in a panic, you're in a state of silence. How do you deal with that? How do you deal with yourself? Dealing with it and... ...becoming a stronger person? Yes, I'm in a state of silence because... ...I feel like... ...I was born to be a solution. Wow. That's good and very deep. Because I feel like...

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I was born the first child. If something happens to my brother, my parents will consult me. "What do you think about your brother?" So I have to give a solution. Then I was seen as more successful than my friends who work as non-public figures. So when they have a problem, they will tell me because they feel I am superior, I deserve to give a solution. Well, I give a solution. No matter what people say, I give a solution.

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I never saw myself sad, so people can be sad to me. Because I've never been sad. How can I not be sad? So I feel like, why? I'm always expected to keep giving solutions. The same goes for companies, for example. There's a crisis. Coincidentally, my job is to handle crises. It's a crisis handling. We as CMO, if there's a crisis,

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We have to pay attention to how the press release is, how the PR movement is. So if there is a crisis, it runs to me. CMO is C for crisis. Right, C for crisis. In work, we handle the crisis. If there is a crisis, it runs to us. In friendship, it runs to us because we are considered superior. So we can give more solutions. In the family, I am the first child.

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If there's something, the discussion goes to the first child. So I always hope to give solutions. Then who will give solutions to my life? That's where I feel very lonely. And finally what makes me strong is... ...I can give solutions to others, I can definitely give solutions to myself. I don't have to get help from others. Try it yourself, how to do it.

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And when we need someone else, don't ever be afraid to ask for help. So it could be my fault, right? Because I may not have shown my shy side. Finally, in that moment, when I felt lonely, I also evaluated myself. Finally, I started to see those emotions, the emotions of being shy in front of my parents, in front of my friends. And finally, I dared to show my shy side in front of my partner.

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And honestly, my current partner who finally managed to break that wall. Because usually when I go to a partner, the wall is very high because I feel like it's not necessarily a long-term relationship, he doesn't have to know my life 100% like that. Oh wow. There is mitigation. His work always handles crises. Always making mitigation, list of risks. So it's down to personal life like that.

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Well, finally when I was in this retarded phase, there was a partner, Omara, who finally made me open up, brave to show the coward side, brave to show the side that I had never shown before. Which finally now I can find the place to go home that I have needed all this time. That's really good. And I'm the first one too. I feel it. I wrote in my second book, there's

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Pricing certificate for the first child. I agree. For now, maybe there's less support. And we can handle it ourselves. And I want to give a certificate. Who knows, no one wants to give that certificate to you. You can really give me that certificate. I want to too.

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But I really like the words you said earlier, being vulnerable. It's like a choice that... ...for the first time I've seen you being vulnerable. You're willing to cry in front of your parents, in front of your partner, in front of your friends. And the three key words are "ask for help". Not everyone who looks strong, because we've been so tired being the first strong child. We ask for help, that's the point that's like...

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We opened the lid for a while. Yes, and we seem to give up on our independence for a while. But actually, don't look at it like that. I feel that we also have to realize that we have given a lot.

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It's okay to accept it once in a while. Life doesn't have to be given to others. We can also accept strength, energy, and help from others. And that doesn't mean we lose. But it actually indicates that we are ordinary humans. If we want to be acknowledged as ordinary humans, we also have to act like ordinary humans. Don't be like Wonder Woman or Superman. That's what I learned as I was in the process

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That I wrote in this book, Retak Luruh. Yes, I will read the book Retak Luruh and Kembali Utuh. Prilly, if your life is really busy, CMO, managing other things, all kinds of things. Now you also have a Yax and have to open an Open Trip and all kinds of things. There are so many things, you see the busyness of a Prilly. A simple question, how can you give 100%

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...your time for your family, partner, and friends. How do you... ...finally, you're 100%? You're not here with... ...you're tired of working. You're there. 100% present. I will never be able to give 100%. And I also... We have to accept that...

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Not every time we are 100% And it's okay if we're not 100% Because it's not certain that the person we meet is also 100% Even if we meet people who really support us He won't come in 100%

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I also didn't come in 100%. We meet to recharge each other... ...to make each other 100%. I see it like that. Because if we come 100%, it's the same as us...

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...close our eyes, right? What's the difference between them and the public who see us on social media, who have to see us 100% continuously. So when I was with my family, I wasn't 100% meeting them to make me 100%. I met them when I was tired, I was tired, I asked to be hugged by my mom, asked to be hugged. Yesterday I went home, finally it's been a long time since I went home.

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I asked for a diet because I was like, "Mom, please give me a diet. I'm too lazy to eat." I was given a diet by my mom. I'm not 100% sure about that. But because I'm not 100%, they gave me

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energy and give strength, so I'm 100% I also give needs that maybe my mother needs too, my mother maybe misses me who asks to be fed Missing me who is spoiled So our needs are each filled because we come without hoping to get 100% from people and not hoping to give 100% but we become honest humans, like that. The same thing with me being a couple, like that.

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If I was hoping to come to Omara 100%, is the difference the same as Omara seeing my real day in my life on Instagram that I'm 100%? What's the difference? I came to him when I was 50% and I complained, complained and asked something of him. Like, I ask for your time, I ask you to listen to me. I ask you to listen to me, my head. Well, actually...

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Not being 100% perfect is what makes our relationship closer to the people around us. Because we really become a complete human. I deeply, deeply love that. That's really good, that's really good Priyal. I appreciate that, it's good. And it's like the first time I heard from someone when I asked about this 100% thing. Because I've never used a POV when my battery is low.

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I never use my POV battery to charge up to 60% of my battery. I want to meet people to charge up to 80%. I never thought of that. I thought that I have to get 100% to meet people around me. Because if not, I can be like, not 100% there. But if you open my eyes with that sentence, it makes sense. It makes sense.

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Like every person has needs, right? And people must also feel happy to be needed. You must be happy if you feel needed by your parents. Or you must also be happy if you feel needed by your partner. If your partner comes to you 100%, the feeling that he needs you is no longer there because he is 100%.

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But if your partner comes to you honestly, not 100% and finally he needs you, you're happy too. Finally you also have more energy. It's the same as me coming to my mom 50% I asked to be fed. My mom is really happy to feed me because she feels like, "Yay, my baby girl is back." I'm also happy to be fed by my mom because I feel loved as a child again.

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Finally we fill each other and the relationship between mother and child becomes stronger. Wow. Imagine if I come 100%, I don't need to feed my mother anymore. At most I just talk like an adult with my mother. Not necessarily what my mother needs. It could be that my mother misses me when I was young. That's right. So we have to see it from that perspective. It's the same as a couple.

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If Omara comes to me, it's 100%. Then he's like, "Well, just tell us." We become like adults. Well, we finally discuss as two adults. But if Omara comes to me, he's tired. I have energy to be like...

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I want to make your favorite bread pudding and it makes me happy. It can be needed like that. Or we want to watch, we want what, because we as humans are also happy if we have, if there is a need. And in my opinion it is important for us to realize that, so that we can also give what other people need too. And an effective way to destroy that side is by saying that it's better that way.

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That's the most effective way to break a relationship. And that's what our battery was 50%, it's still zero. Yes, it's still better, just me. It's really sad, if for example, while telling like, "Yes, it's still better, you're like that." It seems like there's no better or no better or worse. So when we feel sad, we're sad. It doesn't affect how we're sad or it doesn't affect

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What do we have? We are still sad. So I'm also quite sad and frustrated when there are many people in the public because I see a lot of comments like that who don't have that empathy either. Forgetting the weight of emotion because it reminds you of the material factor that people have. Which eventually many people feel like they don't deserve to be sad, hiding their wounds.

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I don't want to live a perfect life. Because I'm afraid that if I don't live a perfect life, I'll be judged by others. And that's also reflected when I posted on TikTok. That was the first time I posted like that. I posted without...

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I don't eat properly for two days. So in two days I only eat three spoons and that's it. My calorie intake in two days is really bad. It's not healthy. But because I'm burnt out from work. So just eat it, it's not digested. I'm the type who can't eat when stressed. There are people who are stressed eating. If I'm stressed, I don't want to see food. I just want to drink. Just drink a little bit. Everyone has...

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The response is different, yes, to stress. Then I posted, I finally could eat. After two days I didn't eat because I was burnt out. When I posted, I thought my posting could strengthen people who were also feeling burnt out. Oh, Prilly who has been posting happily all this time and her work seems to be steady, settled, she can feel burnt out.

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It means I'm okay if I feel burnt out, I'm not alone. That's my goal. I want people to feel not alone when they are burnt out. But it turns out the comments are very diverse.

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The comments are like, "Prily burned out but still rich" Prily is rich but still burned out. Then like, "So don't focus on the world, life is not just about the world, you have to think about the afterlife too." There are comments like that. Suddenly it immediately went to religion, judging my faith, my faith towards the afterlife because I was seen chasing the world. So don't chase the world too much, look at it.

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People who don't take care of their health, then suddenly get sick, then suddenly this. And finally I was like, wow, it turns out to be true. Not only the people around me who made me feel like I shouldn't be sad. It turns out that the public also made me feel like I shouldn't be sad. Because their comments are like it's not normal for a Prilila or Konsina to burn out and not eat for two days.

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Even though Prilly has money to buy delicious food. Yeah, okay. Yeah, finally he said, "Oh my God, I'm so sad to read the comments." But...

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Well, I can't delete that posting anymore I just let that posting be there and please people can comment what is important people who are burning out can feel not alone because of my posting And finally I know that our empathy is still very small So yes

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Hopefully with the technology advancement, with this podcast, people can increase their empathy side again. I agree. And I'm also not surprised if I read comments, there are comments in Malaysia that are negative. That is a reflection of what they experienced, a reflection or the world in their heads. And when they said that, "Lah Prilly is out, why can't she buy delicious food?"

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Usually people are hungry too. They also want to buy delicious food again. Yes, yes, whatever the posting is, it's just negative. Like, for example, when posting happiness, after that, someone commented, usually those who post happy things like this, their lives are not happy. Or everyone will be happy in time. Do you often read that? Yes, I often read that, that's right. It's crap mentality. Yes, it's crap mentality. Like, it's so sad. When other people are happy,

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Because we're not happy, other people can't be happy. Other people have to feel what I feel. And that's a unhealthy mentality. And it should be, he can evaluate himself. Why am I like this? Why can't I be happy seeing other people's success? Why do I have a crap mentality? Why? So that we can continue to evaluate ourselves. Don't have a happy person, later also break up. I think in many cases, I often meet people like that. Like, you want to open a business, not long at least.

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You want to start something, at least 3 months, 2 months, it's done, it's stopped. Whatever, when people quit, we will be considered stupid, we will be misunderstood. And people will question us. Because they have experienced it and the reflection of their injuries and failures will be thrown at others. Yes, but that means the solution is not good. When people experience failure,

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Then he threw that failure to someone else. Anyway, other people have to feel it too. That means there is a solution that is not done well for himself. Because when I feel suffering, I don't want people to suffer too. It's just when I open business A, then I experience a crisis like that. Or I lose like that. Then there is a friend who wants to open the same business. It's impossible for me to say like,

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You closed for two months, it's impossible, right? I will even give them advice on my experience I said, yesterday I experienced a crisis like this, like this, later if you open it, please already make the mitigation, so later if the problem comes to you, you can

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handling it better than me. I hope it's successful, I hope it's okay. In fact, we should advise people not to jump into the same hole as us. To not suffer too. Yes, because we are done with ourselves. We already feel enough and we don't need, don't need

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Validation from other people or not need validation from other people's suffering. We suffer, other people suffer too. That's right. Why do we have to find validation from other people's suffering? Those people must be aware of what they experience. They must also dare to ask for help. Because there must be therapy or there must be a solution that they can implement. I'm curious, what is the biggest insecurity of a candidate?

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What makes you uncomfortable or uncomfortable when you're doing something? Biggest insecurity. It's always an interesting question when asked about biggest insecurity. Because to be honest with you, I have a lot. I have a lot of insecurities. But the biggest one is... A quiet fear of not yet living up the truest version of my life, of myself. There's a fear that I can't bridge...

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...the self that I show in this world and also the self that I find in myself. I'm afraid I can't, I'm afraid I'm confused in my life and I lose myself. That's what I'm most afraid of. And we've talked about that from the beginning. We talked about how the bridge of connection between you at home and you in front of the camera. And it's been going on for more than 10 years. You try to...

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- You don't want to look perfect. - Yes. And if you can see 100% of the people around you, they better see your Instagram Reels. But we're not always strong. I can say this now, maybe because I'm stronger. But when we're not strong, the fear will be bigger. And it will control us more. That insecure feeling. I'm also really insecure if I'm not enough for people who...

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...that are around me or I disappoint them. Because since I was a child, I've lived on other people's hopes. Of course, as smart as I am, I still have fear and insecurity if I can't meet those expectations. If I disappoint them. And of course, the trauma or the phases that are still inside me...

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I'm afraid I'll go back to the surface and control my insecurity. Like for example, I'm afraid it's not enough for Omara. Why can I feel insecure and not enough for Omara? Because in the past, many people said that I was not enough. And finally those people are no longer in my life. They chose to leave me. That's what makes me insecure. Is it enough for my parents? Is it enough for my partner?

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Have I been enough for my fans? Have I given them enough reasons to be a fan of me? Why are they a fan of me? I'm so insecure about that. And maybe people don't see it if I'm insecure. Because people will see, "Well, you're Prilly." I'm even often asked, "Pril, what does it feel like to wake up, look at the mirror, and you're Prilly Latukonsina?" - That's a funny question. - I'm like, "Pril, what does it feel like to wake up, look at the mirror, and I'm Prilly Latukonsina?" And I'm like...

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"Huh? What does it feel like?" But it finally made me feel unique, people can have that view, it means people see my life is really perfect. So people feel like, "Wow, it's really good to wake up and sleep." - Yeah. - Right? Like I like to see jokes, like when there's a baby born, then he's the artist's parent. - It's really nice to be born when you know who your parents are, right? - Yeah.

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It's so funny because it means that people see people's lives from their facet only, right? - Right, right, right. - Refusing to delve deeper, right? And I, well, for fun and I also don't want to explain it too long because maybe it's not too close to me like, how do you feel, Prih? When you look at it, it turns out you look at me like, "Oh, I feel so good." I just said that, "I feel so good, yeah, why not?"

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But if asked by someone close to me or asked by someone I want to share, I would say like, yes, being a freelancer is not an easy thing. There are many processes, there are many journeys that may not have been imagined before. So when I look at myself in the mirror, I have to try to, "I'm done, I'm done for other people." It's okay to

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Not perfect, it's okay to be who I am now. There are even many affirmations that strengthen me. Not arrogant because I woke up and Prilly Lato Konsina. Sometimes I think, what if I wake up and I am Prilly. But not the Prilly Lato Konsina that people know, but Prilly who maybe her job is an office. Who maybe her job is...

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Not in front of the screen What do I feel? Can I fill the emptiness that I feel if I go to Latakun Sina? I can't find a boyfriend, right? Oh okay okay okay I can't find a friend, right? Yes, yes, that's right, I also think that too If we take off our topi fame, our big name topi If I walk there, I become who I am, how is it? Yes, and

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If I'm not a Trilatokon here, what is the reason people get close to me? Okay, I was discussing that with Jerome and talking about the transactional relationship, right? Then he said, if we are not who we are now, why do people talk to me? That's a really good question. Yes, why? Honestly, the name is also a woman and I think a lot of people

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Men and women out there also feel this, it's not that we're not grateful guys, but we all have insecurity where we feel bad. - Sure, sure. - Yes, sure. Do you want us to be praised by a beautiful person? But if we look at it, we think I'm ugly, I'm fat. It's very normal for women and men to experience that. Well, I've felt that men approach me because I'm pretty or because I'm pretty. Am I actually pretty? So we have...

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That feeling, people get close because the guy feels, "Okay, I want to get close to Prilla Tokon Sina's figure." But in their eyes, am I attractive? In their eyes, am I beautiful? Are they getting close because I have become a figure? I have become a figure, this Prilla Tokon Sina. But physically, am I attractive to them? Of course, we as women have that feeling. - Of course. - Right? Because,

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Sometimes we are praised. Have you ever been praised but you don't want to be praised? For example, I talk to someone, I'm praised like, "You're so smart." But in my heart, I want to be praised as beautiful. I'm close to people, then like, "You're smart."

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But am I pretty? That's right, the name is also a woman, there is insecurity and that question If I'm not a prile toncina figure, does a man see me looking like this, is it interesting for them? What makes them want to get close to me?

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There was that question. And that's why I asked Omara. Why did you hurt me? Why did you hurt me? And when he answered something I wanted, I felt it was enough. Because you're beautiful. Yes, finally. Then he connected. Beautiful in the face and beautiful in the mind. Just like that. Then he was like, yay finally.

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And in the end, people are like, it's not better to be praised for being smart, right? Or it's not better to be praised if you're an adult, right? Well, sometimes we just want to be praised for being pretty, right? Because, well, sometimes we try to be a beautiful woman and we also want to be seen like that, right? Well, that's what makes me like...

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Oh so you see me because I'm pretty? Yes, when I haven't talked to you yet, I don't know if you're thinking the same way as me. I don't know if you read books, I don't know if we read the same book. So I'm not getting close to you because you're cute. Yay, so I feel okay, finally someone likes me without me reading books, without me...

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Smart, without any fuss, I'm mature. Because without any fuss, am I interesting? We also want to know that. That's why I'm already affirmed. So if I'm not a Prilat Tukang Sina, do you still admire me if you see me on the street? Yes, still okay. - You're cute, you're cute. - Yes, that's it. Still okay. So if I'm not a Prilat Tukang Sina with that many followers, but you open my Instagram, do you still want to get close to me?

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"You still have your picture, right? You're cute." Oh, okay. That's an affirmation of insecurity. When you said about waking up in the morning, looking at the mirror, and you're a freelance in a restaurant, I thought of one thing. I thought that only you can be a freelance in a restaurant. I mean, you have that burden, you go through that phase, and if there's someone else, they can't be a freelance. But you can be a freelance. Do you understand?

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That's God's grace. That's God's grace given to us as individuals.

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Why was the Prophet sent down? Because he will be a caliph, a human being will be a caliph. That's actually a caliph for ourselves. Like, I'm the only one who can be a true host, only Prilly can be Prilly. And not everyone can. And everyone should be able to think like that too. That he is himself with all the burdens he has, only he can face it. Only he should be there.

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So that it also gives us a source of energy for us too. It gives me a source of energy when you say that. Only you can be a pilot or a consignor. It makes me think, oh yeah, okay. Okay, that means I'm doing good. Because from...

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Since the beginning of the conversation until now, I can see that this person is like tens of years old, the first child, he looks strong in his family and he is brave to ask for help. That's the life's transition and maybe if people can accuse you, you change, Pril, you change, even though you are growing. Yes, yes. Many people say that they see my change this year. Before, I usually couldn't say no, now I can say no.

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Back then, I always thought about other people's happiness. Now I think about my happiness and happiness. Because I'm sure if I think about other people's happiness but I'm not happy, how can I keep giving positive energy? How can I keep giving happiness that is really honest for others? And I lost my meaning to live my life. So, I really now

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Am I lucky to be living this life? Am I happy to be living this life? If not, it's your time to say no. So people feel that there's a change. I can say no, I can say I don't like it, I can be more firm. And...

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Of course, people who are close to me who are waiting for this moment are happy, finally they can say no too. Finally, they can reject too. Sometimes Omara can be like, "I'm so proud of you." Why? Because you say no. So like, thank you. But for people who may have hoped that we would say yes all the time, we feel like we are fighting.

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Wow, she's changed now. She's... - Yeah. - She's... So, the emotion is more negative. That's why we need the right people to be with us. Yeah, I'm so proud of you because you've grown, not changed. Yeah, thank you. Prilly, I'm sure all people in this class must have a classmate. And to be a classmate, we must be a classmate first. A simple question. If I...

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And if Prilly opens a registration to be a classmate of Prilly, what is the requirement so that I can register? Classmate, huh? If for example listening to the word classmate, I honestly never connect the word with a profession, achievement, or whatever that person has.

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But a classmate for me is how he behaves when no one sees him. That's a classmate for me. Because when no one sees him, he still becomes a good person. Still being the person who wants to give the best. That is a sincere friend for us. And we really need friends like that. I don't care if someone sees me, I don't care if I receive a reply. But still be a good person. Still be a person who can listen.

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...can still be someone who gives space. Even though there's no requirement, he has to give space. So, a classmate is not someone with a profession, rich, has money, goes to school, goes to Ivy League or whatever. But who is he when there's no one to look at? Who is he when there's no camera? Wow.

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I'll make a course from what you said. The only habit that really matters is the habit no one sees. Yes, because if we do a good job, then there's a camera, then we're posted, but we're not like that, what's the difference between us and the employee who's about to go crazy?

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The officer who is trying to clean up his name because of the damage he made, what's the difference between us and them? Okay, you're going there. The difference is, right? Except if we really are like that, then we post because we want to spread the goodness, it's different. There are two differences between personal branding and creation. I made ABCDEFG, I'm actually like that. I post because it's part of my personal branding strategy.

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But I'm not like that, I'm just like that on camera, that's creation. Those are two things that people need to know. So why do I say classmate is who he is when people don't see him? Because in today's social media, good people are when there are eyes that see. People who give charity when there are eyes that see. I don't want that friend. I want a good person when there is no one to see because he is pure good from his heart.

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That's what I want to be my friend. That's so cool. Maybe I can believe in myself and say, "Okay, I passed the qualification to be a classmate with Prilly." Another simple question. What conversation should we have? What conversation should we have that can take more than 5 hours? We're still happy to talk about it with Prilly. What conversation do you like? Honestly, me and my friends...

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We talked about random things. There was a time when we talked about something heavy like this. Like me and Umara when we were still friends. We talked about things like this for up to 5 hours. You know, it's already night. We discussed Freud, discussed your Albert, discussed what theory, up to 5 hours. But after we talked about it, we laughed at life. We can laugh at funny videos, we can laugh at...

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People's behavior, we can have funny stories that can make us laugh and we can't tell it to others. We can be ourselves who are serious, but we can also be ourselves who are stupid.

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That's it, because I'm like that with my friends, like yesterday I finally met my friend again who is now an LDR with me because he lives far away, he is with his husband Then he went to Jakarta, we talked about serious things, talked about the house, I talked about my job, talked about how he takes care of the children, but after that we laughed non-stop

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Laughing at his daughter's joke, toddler who is being a clown, like that, following whatever people say Then we laugh at people, we laugh at jokes that we don't think we can post, it seems that if we post it, it can go viral, right? So we talk about it and we laugh at ourselves, right? So

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Well, conversation becomes human, there's no need for labels or anything. After this, maybe when we're off-camp, I'll tell you what jokes I have. Don't tell your friends here. What jokes I like to joke with my friends. Before we get into the camp, maybe from me, I'm really curious. If you want to leave a legacy in this life, what do you want to be known for leaving? Like what kind of work, what kind of big legacy?

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Maybe the next two generations still know the name Prila Tungkwasina. Honestly, I have a desire that is maybe simpler than what you expect. Yes, let me know. I don't want to be known as a public figure who is famous, famous, and a hand-puncher. No.

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I really, when I have to leave this world, I want to be known as a human who has given goodness. It doesn't have to be goodness that changes the world, but at least goodness has warmed the lives of others. That's all I think is enough. I have lived as a human who has also felt guilty, who has been hurt, hurt, forgiven, processed, loved and loved, and

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All of those processes, even though it's suffering, are a victory for me because I've become a complete human. That's what I want to leave behind when I'm no longer in this world. Of course my works, my books, my films are important. But that's what I work on, not how I live my life as a human being. So when I leave this world, of course I want people to remember my name.

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Oh yeah, he's a good person. Oh yeah, he's been warming my life here. He's made me feel better. Even though it's just one or two people who have felt it, it means a lot to me. I'm one of those people today. Thank you. Thank you. Classmates, before we continue this podcast, I just want to say a special info, especially for you.

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1:06:45

Prihli, 3 questions from our friends from Suara Berkelas. The first question is from @eqmn_4p_2809. Wow! This is not a second account, it's the 10th account. It's really hard. Kak Prihli, how can we always stabilize our emotional state of mind with a strong mentality in the midst of uncertain conditions?

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When I'm not stable, this is my way, everyone has their own way. When I'm not stable, I choose to step back and try to breathe deeply to get to know the emotion. Because sometimes we feel annoyed, sometimes we feel angry, but we don't know why we can be this angry. Why can our emotions not be stable? Sometimes because we forget to ask ourselves.

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What's going on with us? Are we tired? Are we tired? Are we unable to do it? And we have to be honest with the emotions we feel So if I'm not stable, I usually pull back first, breathe in

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Try to feel what emotion is felt and why you feel it When we know the root of the problem, then we try to find a solution And that's not easy, there are people who are interested in daily needs to know, daily needs to be stable again There are also people who are used to it, I'm pretty used to stabilizing my emotions So it's enough to take a breath for a second, two hours, just to think about it, find out why my emotions can be this angry or not stable, then I find the solution

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But it's okay to just process it, the longer we do it, discuss it with ourselves, the faster we can express our emotions. That's my way. I like the saying, "Go back in steps."

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For more than 10 steps, I guess. Yes, that's right. Like if we're unstable, we're in a relationship with people, communicating with them, it's also not good. Instead of being bad to others, we should go back in a step. It's okay to delay. -Yes, I agree. -It's okay to delay. Second question from Muhammad Afdol. I'm curious how Prilly manages his money. And explain to us the best way to spend your money in your twenties.

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I am a person who really likes to save. I really like to save. And when the money increases, the lifestyle must not necessarily increase. The income goes up, the lifestyle does not necessarily go up. I spend my twenties working and saving, delaying my hobbies that I think need to be released.

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And the happiness that requires a lot of output for a more fundamental purpose. So, for example, at the age of 20, I work, I save, what is the purpose? Okay, I want to have my own house.

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Because if I delay owning a house, the property and the price of land will be more expensive. It's better to prioritize the purpose of the house, so that we have assets, so that we have property. So at the age of 20, I save up for the purpose of buying a house and buying land. Of course I have to sacrifice my diving hobby, my fishing hobby, my walks, my me time. Because all of that requires money. Diving needs money to buy plane tickets, tools, everything, holidays too.

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I save all of that first, I save it for me to buy assets like that when the assets have been reached and we continue

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Bekerja uang udah bisa lebih stabil cash flow nya baru kita bisa melakukan kesenangan-kesenangan itu gitu Jadi aku tuh banyak menunda kesenangan sebenarnya Oh really? Untuk aku punya tabungin dan punya aset Tapi bukan berarti aku tidak melakukan kesenangan sama sekali Hanya saja aku memilih kesenanganku Kesenangan yang sekiranya butuh uang banyak ya kita tunda dulu Tapi kan bukan berarti kita tidak senang-senang Setuju Senang kita

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Strolling in a cafe, spending Rp. 100,000-200,000 is also fun. Talking to people is also fun without having to spend a lot of money. But if you want to be happy, it's really grande, that's when we're already secure with savings, cash flow, and also the assets we have. So I set up the money, I have several baskets. There is one for saving, there is one for investment.

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Operational and happy. Operational is like, our daily operations. Paying for gas, employee salary, food, daily needs are very primary.

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Then it has to be secured. Investments, if we have more money, put it in investments that we will put wherever we want. Small investments or large investments. Savings too, where in the savings there are also funds that we can issue for emergency funds.

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-Learn from the COVID yesterday. -Yes. We never know, the bad weather will come. But at least we have funds that we can spend for emergency funds, to help the family, or to help ourselves. So, it's okay to delay happiness, but it doesn't mean we don't do happiness at all. Just choose happiness that is in line with the budget, right? And with my current income, I don't increase my lifestyle. I still take the plane with an economy ticket.

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Like when you don't really need to buy a business ticket, you don't have to. No. Like that. If I can sit like, I think I just want to go to ...

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Japan 7 hours is okay, 7 hours is economical Just sleep, especially on a night flight Just sleep, no problem, until Japan we just sleep instead of spending money 3 times or 4 times to sit in the business chair So I don't mind going to Japan or Korea that doesn't have to sit in the economic chair for tens of hours and I never made

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The things I wear, or my vacation, or my plane seat, is my identity. Or my life class.

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I don't need validation from there. So even though I sit in the economy class, I don't mind. I'm not afraid of people thinking, "Why is Prilly sitting in the economy class?" I don't care what people say. I, for example, fish using a fishing boat that has been re-routed. Usually we don't have to fish continuously using fishing lines, right? Sometimes we use fishing lines. "Why does Prilly want to be dirty?" I don't care because I don't make what I use.

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Or my vacation or how I enjoy life is my identity, or my social class. Yes, that's good. I really like it. And I think you're the first person who dares to speak up here. I mean, all this time I've never detailed how a person's social status defines the items they use. Oh yeah, not at all. Or the product they use. Because all this time people have been chasing.

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What you wear is branded and expensive. Even though I agree, even if I wear a cheap shirt, if it's worn by us, it can be seen as expensive. It can be. This is a TikTok shop, right? Yes, it looks expensive when you wear it. Or on the contrary, there are people who, sorry for saying, the appearance is not interesting. If he wears an expensive shirt, it's still not interesting. Yes, and when I buy branded items, it's because I like the item. Not because I want people to see me wearing that expensive item.

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I bought an expensive bag. I like the bag. It doesn't mean I want people to see me wearing this bag. No, I don't want that either. I buy expensive things because I like it. Because I'm sure expensive things can be an investment. And it's durable. So because I like things, not because I want people to see it.

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I use that item or I want to validate from that item Because I have to assume that I am bigger than the item I use Don't let the item be bigger than us That's really good, really That reminds me of Morgan Housel's book, The Cycle of Money, which he said that

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When we ride a luxury car, we think people will be amazed at us. Yes. - Although people think that, "If only he also rides a luxury car." - Yes. Yes, that's what people think. So it's not like, rarely people think if we ride a luxury car, what does he do? What does he do? But I try like that. So it can be that people don't care about you or who drives. People care about the car, like that. So yes.

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I don't want to find validation from the goods but from what I do and what I can do for society, impact what I can give to others. Yes, very good. Let's go to the third question from Riksdar. How do you need an idealist, independent, and independent woman? Curious, hehe. Should be asked if you're angry. Give her space.

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Giving him space for him not to have to be there for himself or not to be independent all the time. Because sometimes people forget, we are independent, idealistic, it's not necessarily what we want, it can be because we are forced by the system. Like, I'm independent because I have to find money for myself. I have to pay for myself.

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I have to help my parents I am independent because that was the first child where I was expected to be a family pillar But do I want to be a princess? I want to But I can't The system makes me a woman who is independent So if you want to get closer to independent girls Give her space so she can ask for help So she can finally feel

1:17:15

also served, not just serving people. And that's actually what was given to my mother. When I usually do something on my own, when I'm with her, she will give me help so that I can rest even for a moment. Rest from my independence label, that I can't be independent and it's okay.

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Because sometimes an independent woman, when she's not independent, she feels it's wrong. Because she's used to living like that, right? So actually we need a space of acceptance from others. That it's okay to not be independent. No problem. You're still the perfect woman even though you're not independent.

1:18:03

And you're still a good woman even though you're not independent. We need that space. So far we don't have the space, so we're independent. But because we're given space, we can finally be spoiled. Finally we can be a little child, we can ask for help, we can suddenly weaken.

1:18:21

I and Omara suddenly couldn't open the bottle cap, even though if he wasn't there, I would lift the diving tank myself. With him it's like, it's heavy. Because finally we have room to ask for help, we have room to be weak. So you have to create that space if you want to approach.

1:18:39

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1:19:05

With a lot of "who is the sick lady?" I was like, "Who is the one who sent me?" "No one." I just checked and then I was informed that I had to work again after this. Then I cried alone in the UGD room. I cried alone because I felt like, "Oh, I'm so tired, I have to be strong, I'm sick but I have to continue working, but this is my responsibility." I cried while being informed until my sister gave me oxygen. I cried.

1:19:31

I can be like that. But if there's Omara, I think I'll be like... - ...sick. Like, I can't do anything. - Yeah, you're sick. I ask for company, I ask for food, I ask for anything. Even though there's no one, I can walk to the UGD by myself, cry by myself. But if it's with him, suddenly it's like... ...I can't do anything. Well, it turns out I miss him too. A figure or a space where I can complain too. If anyone asks...

1:20:00

How did you become Pril? That's one of the parts. You went to the UGD by yourself and was asked to work again tomorrow. That's it. Part No. 1C. Maybe doctors and sisters who saw me cry at the UGD yesterday can watch this and say, "Yes, I'm the one who put the infos." Alright, Pril. I really enjoyed talking to you today. Before we close, the worst advice you've ever received.

1:20:28

The worst advice I've ever received is... If you keep your standards like this, high standards, you will never find a partner. So you have to follow your standards if you want to find a partner. That's the worst advice I've ever received.

1:20:56

Because I feel that if I lower the standard, it means I get a partner that is in line with the standard that I have lowered. If I want to find a partner that is in line with the standard that I have set for myself, because I know the value that I deserve to get, why not? But I think being a woman here, we have to weaken first, we have to lower the standard first to get a partner. In my opinion, it's a waste of a partner. Because, or rather it's a men's downfall in my opinion, honestly. / Agree.

1:21:28

Yes. The advice I received was not to lower women, but to lower men. Because it means that men can be with women whose standards are low. It means that if men can be with women whose standards are low, men are also low.

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And people don't realize that by saying that, they are actually humiliating their men, not their women. Fortunately, I never believed and never got swayed by that advice. I still have a high standard towards myself. I want to have a partner like this, like this, like this. If I don't meet, it's okay. If I have to get married at the age of 30, it's okay. But I don't want to marry the wrong person.

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Luckily, it came at a young age This is the scene where Omar smiles

1:22:17

That's really good, I got an exciting insight today and I'm happy to see you grow and... Thank you, thank you for letting me speak Because I rarely can speak and show this side Because I have fear, oh I'm afraid if I say this, what if I say this, what if I say this But I feel in Suara Berkelas, I was also given a space to be myself completely

1:22:42

I heard it well. Thank you. I'm also happy to talk to people in class. Thank you for being healthy and I'm happy to see you grow. Thank you. Thank you everyone. See you.

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