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One Of The WORST Reports I’ve EVER Read! | Thai International Airways 261

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It's a stormy wet [music] night in the

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city of Surat Thani in southern

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Thailand.

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And above the city's main airport, an

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Airbus A310 is hanging in the sky like a

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cross just about to [music] fall down.

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Now, there's no technical reason for

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this to be happening. So,

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what has led up to this?

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On December 11th, 1998, a Thai Airways

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crew arrived at Don Mueang International

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Airport in Bangkok to operate flight

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261, which was a short domestic hop over

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towards Surat Thani.

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The aircraft they had been scheduled to

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fly was a wide-body Airbus A310, which

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is likely the smallest wide-body ever

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made, but it was still more than large

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enough for this 1-hour domestic flight

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with only 132 scheduled passengers.

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It's not clear why exactly this A310 was

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used when one of Thai Airways' Boeing

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737-400s would have been better suited,

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but maybe it was just what was available

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on that night.

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In any case, with that low passenger

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load, the A310 would only be little over

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half full, but it still carried a full

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complement of 12 cabin crew, which

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together with the two pilots in the

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front brought the total number of people

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on board up to 146.

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Now, the ages of the flight crew weren't

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specified in the final report, but we do

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know that the captain had been flying

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for Thai Airways for many years at this

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point and had 10,167

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total flying hours.

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And that included over 3,000 on the

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Airbus A310 and its larger cousin, the

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A300, which have a common type rating.

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The first officer was less experienced,

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but wasn't new either. He had 2,839

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total hours, so which almost all had

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been flown on this particular type.

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Both pilots had had a good rest before

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the flight with more than 20 hours of

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duty.

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Although it is worth noting here that

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the captain had logged more than 108

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hours during the preceding 30 days,

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which would have been close to or maybe

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even over modern duty time limits. So,

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he had been working a [music] lot.

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Now, the final report doesn't mention

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any duty time violations here. So, most

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likely Thailand's duty time requirements

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back in 1998 was

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not as stringent. But, obviously, we

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have strict limits now because working

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more hours could cause chronic fatigue,

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and that is worth keeping in mind.

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Anyhow, before walking out to the

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aircraft, the pilots reviewed their

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dispatch paperwork, which included the

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weather forecast, notices to airmen or

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NOTAMs, as well as the aircraft

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technical log.

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And from there, they could see that the

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aircraft was in good working order with

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no defects that would become relevant to

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this story.

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But, the same could not be said about

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their destination airport, Surat Thani.

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It had been undergoing renovations for

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the last [music] couple of years with

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the pace increasing in late 1998. And

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Thailand's Department of Aviation had

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therefore issued several NOTAMs

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highlighting several systems that were

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inoperative.

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First of all,

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>> [music]

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>> the instrument landing system, the ILS,

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which provides precision approach

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guidance, had been out of service since

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January of 1997. And in September of

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'98, the approach light system had also

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been [music] turned off.

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Then, in November, the precision

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approach path indicator [music] or PAPI

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lights, which tell us whether we are

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approaching too high or too low, also

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stopped working.

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And whilst the PAPI lights on the

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left-hand side of the runway was soon

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restored,

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the right side wasn't. [music]

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Then, the non-directional beacon that

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was located at the airport, which was

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used as a backup navigation aid, was

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[music] being moved, so it didn't work,

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either. And finally, the airport had

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shut down one of its two redundant

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electrical circuits powering the runway

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edge and threshold lighting. So, as a

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result of that, only every other [music]

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light was illuminated.

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A specific NOTAM about that reported

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that the spacing between the runway edge

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lights were therefore increased to 120

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instead of 60 m [music]

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and 6 m instead of 3 m for the threshold

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lights.

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Now, all of this was clearly some pretty

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serious degradations of Surat Thani's

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[music] capabilities when it came to

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night or low visibility operations. And

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in fact, the airport no longer met the

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minimum equipment requirements for

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>> [music]

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>> low vis operations under the rules of

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the International Civil Aviation

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Organization, ICAO.

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You see, ICAO sets out very clear rules

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for what type of equipment can be

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missing or downgraded depending on what

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type of approach [music] is going to be

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flown. So, if several items are missing,

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the [music] runway might only be allowed

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to be used in very good visibility or

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with a high cloud base.

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Also, for runways that are used in

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[music] low visibility, ICAO imposes a

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maximum spacing of 60 m between runway

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edge lights in order to make the runway

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as distinctive as [music] possible,

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which obviously was not being met here.

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So,

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with all of this, you might be wondering

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whether it was even allowed to dispatch

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a flight towards this airport at night,

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and the answer is actually

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yeah.

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Like I mentioned before, [music] we

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pilots are supposed to increase the

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minimum visibility required for an

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approach depending on [music] which

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lighting systems are out of service or

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working, but even if the forecasted

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visibility [music] doesn't meet those

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new requirements, we can still dispatch

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towards that airport as long as we have

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enough fuel to reach at least two

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alternate airports, which have better

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weather and equipment enough to satisfy

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all of the rules.

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As a result, these pilots [music] most

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likely read those NOTAMs and the weather

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forecast and concluded that they would

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definitely need to take these [music]

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precautions, but if worse came to worse,

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they could just divert.

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The forecast for Surat Thani on that day

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showed that in general the conditions

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were pretty good with a visibility of 7

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km and intermittent rain showers

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scattered to broken clouds at 1,800 ft

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[music] and an overcast layer at 11,000

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ft.

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But,

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it did also warn that intermittent

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storms could pass over the airport

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temporarily reducing the visibility down

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to 1,500 [music]

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m in rain with scattered clouds at 1,200

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ft and broken at 2,000, as well as with

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variable winds at 15 kn gusting to 25.

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Now, if flight 261 were to encounter

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those conditions,

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well, then landing at the airport with

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its degraded lighting and without an ILS

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could be

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difficult to even impossible.

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But, since those conditions were

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expected to be just intermittent, the

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pilots probably expected that they could

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just

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>> [music]

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>> wait for the visibility to improve.

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In any case, due to this, they now

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loaded the aircraft up with a full 15.7

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tons of fuel, which was enough to fly to

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their destination, make several

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approaches, then hold for a bit, and

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then finally fly all the way back to

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Bangkok again if needed.

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And that extra fuel brought the total

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takeoff weight up to about 108 tons,

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which was still far below the A310's

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maximum takeoff weight of 142 tons,

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meaning that they would be fairly light.

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After having completed all of the

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pre-flight checks, flight 261 pushed

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back, taxied out to the runway, and

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finally took off at time 17:54,

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climbing into the darkening evening with

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the captain at the controls as pilot

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flying and the first officer handling

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the radios.

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The climb to their cruise altitude of

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31,000 ft was then completed uneventful

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and they proceeded south for about half

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an hour without any issues.

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Then at 18:26, when they were about

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halfway through the flight, the first

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officer called up Surat Thani approach

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and was told to expect a VOR DME

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approach to runway 22.

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Now the pilots accepted this, set up and

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briefed for that approach, and the

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controller then began to give them radar

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vectors and descent clearances down

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towards that approach.

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But before we get to that, we need to

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talk a little bit about the specific

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procedures that were involved in this

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approach that they were soon about to

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fly.

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Or actually procedures, because in a

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very strange twist, there were actually

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two of them.

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A VOR DME approach is a non-precision

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approach, which means that while it does

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provide pilots with lateral guidance to

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align with the runway, it doesn't

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provide any vertical guidance to help

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them descend on the correct slope.

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In order to fly this type of approach,

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the pilots must first tune in to a VOR

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radio beacon, or very high frequency

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omnidirectional range, located at or

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near the airport. And this VOR will then

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emit modulated signals that allow the

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aircraft's VOR receivers to determine

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the exact bearing from the VOR to the

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plane.

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Similar to the spokes of a bicycle

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wheel, divided into 360° of so-called

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radials.

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During the VOR approach, the pilots will

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then fly inbound towards the VOR on a

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specific radial, which will be lining up

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close to the runway heading, whilst also

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descending to predetermined altitudes to

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certain distances from the runway.

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And those distances are monitored by

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tuning in to a distance measuring

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equipment, or DME, which is usually

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co-located with VOR, hence the name VOR

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DME.

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Now in the case of runway 22 at Surat

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Thani, the VOR approach was a bit

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unusual because the approach course was

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actually offset from the runway

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direction by quite a large amount.

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That could have been for many reasons,

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but in this case, the VOR wasn't located

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on the extended centerline, but instead

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on the left side of the airport seen

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from the runway 22 direction. And that

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meant that flying straight towards it on

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the runway heading of 225 degrees would

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cause the plane to fly on the left side

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of the actual final approach track

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throughout the entire approach. So,

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instead, this VOR DME approach was

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designed with an approach course that

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was offset in a way that meant that the

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plane would start off too far to the

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right of the centerline before crossing

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the extended runway centerline close to

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the threshold. So, that if the aircraft

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would be visual at that point, the

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pilots could just make a slight right

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turn and line up with the runway

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centerline just before landing.

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Now, the Thai Department of Aviation had

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produced a VOR DME approach chart with

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an inbound course of 204 degrees, which

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would mean a very large 21-degree

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offset. And if that course was followed,

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it would cause the aircraft to cross the

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extended runway centerline at a distance

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of 1,800 m from the threshold,

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which was pretty okay.

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And that chart was available in the

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cockpit of flight 261,

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but it wasn't the only chart they had.

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You see, Thai Airways had also produced

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its own chart for the runway 22 VOR

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approach, and it contained a number of

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key differences.

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For example, the two charts had

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different missed approach points where

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the pilots must go around if they

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couldn't see the runway. They also

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showed different altitudes that the

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pilots should climb to in case of a

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go-around, and the Department of

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Aviation's chart strangely didn't

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specify a minimum visibility, whilst the

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Thai Airways chart imposed a minimum of

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2,000 m.

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But finally, the Thai Airways chart also

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specified an approach course of 215°

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instead of the 204° shown on the DOA

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chart. That meant that it was much

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closer to the runway heading of 225° and

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therefore would require less of a turn

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to align with the runway.

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But that also meant that the approach

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course would cross the runway extended

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center line further away from the

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threshold at a distance of 4,800 m to be

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exact.

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Which in practical terms meant that a

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higher visibility was needed to fly the

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Thai Airways variant of the approach

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since the point where the pilots would

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have to make the

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>> [music]

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>> right turn to visually align with the

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runway was further away.

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But like I mentioned before, the minimum

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visibility printed on the Thai Airways

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chart was only 2,000 m. So, if the

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pilots caught sight of the runway at

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that distance, they would have already

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passed the center line to the left

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making it difficult to maneuver in for

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landing.

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In reality, the practical minimum

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visibility for this approach was much

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higher than stated, but that wasn't

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mentioned anywhere.

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Maybe you're starting to see the

14:40

problem?

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Back on board flight 261, the

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controllers vectors had soon brought

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them onto the approach course and by the

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time the cockpit voice recorder started

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at time [music] 18:37,

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they were already established towards

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the VOR.

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The two pilots were using the Thai

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Airways approach chart with the inbound

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course of 215°, which is the one where

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the visual turn towards the runway had

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to be made about 4,800 m away. But when

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the pilots contacted the tower, they

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were told that the latest weather report

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gave winds calm, visibility 1,500 m in

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light rain, and a cloud base at 1,800

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ft. Which was obviously much less than

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the minimum visibility of 2,000 m

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depicted on the approach chart, even

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before taking into account the effects

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of all of those inoperative lights at

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the airport.

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Now, in that situation, in most

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countries, we have something known as an

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approach ban, which states that it is

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not legal to continue an approach beyond

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the final approach fix or equivalent

15:43

position unless the reported visibility

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would improve above the minimums.

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And we have that because if the

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visibility is below the minimum, the

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chances of a successful landing are just

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very, very low. So, there's really no

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reason to put yourself in a situation

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where you're close to the ground in

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instrument conditions, just [music]

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praying for the runway to miraculously

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appear in front of you.

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This approach ban actually gives crews

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the tools needed to just say no at an

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early stage, to climb back out, and then

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hold until the visibility either

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improves or a diversion is initiated.

16:20

But in this case, the pilots decided to

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attempt the approach anyway. And the

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final report doesn't really explain why,

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nor points to this as a serious

16:29

violation.

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It is possible that there was confusion

16:33

about the minimum visibility because the

16:35

DOA chart didn't specify one.

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Maybe

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>> [music]

16:39

>> it was just normal at Thai Airways to

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ignore their own company minimums, or

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they thought that the conditions might

16:45

improve before they reached the runway

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since the forecast said that those

16:49

periods of low visibility should be

16:51

temporary.

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We

16:53

>> [music]

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>> just don't really know.

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In any case, after passing the

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intermediate approach fix, 11 mi out

16:59

from the VOR, the tower controller

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reminded the pilots that the right side

17:03

papi lights were out of service, and

17:05

that the spacing of the runway edge and

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threshold lights was increased. [music]

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The pilots acknowledged this and then

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continued the landing checklist,

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lowering the landing gear, extending the

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flaps to full, and notifying the cabin

17:18

crew to take their positions for

17:19

landing.

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In front of them, their landing lights

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now illuminated only clouds [music] and

17:24

rain, while the windscreen wipers

17:26

swished forth and back trying to keep

17:28

the windows clear.

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At time 18:41, the first officer

17:33

reported that they had reached the final

17:35

approach fix, located 6 nautical miles

17:37

from the VOR, which, like I mentioned,

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is the furthest that you can normally

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legally go if the visibility is below

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the minimum.

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But instead of abandoning the approach

17:47

here, the pilots just continued their

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descent down to the minimum descent

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altitude or MDA of 430 ft, as if this

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was the most normal thing in the world.

17:57

Now today, this would be a quite serious

18:00

violation, which would definitely make

18:02

you fail a line check if you were doing

18:04

one, but

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it's possible that the rules were

18:06

different in Thailand back then, or that

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these kind of things have been

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normalized at Thai Airways for some

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reason.

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The controller soon reported that the

18:15

aircraft was not in sight, but cleared

18:17

them to land anyway, along with giving

18:18

them a new reported wind of 310° at 5

18:22

knots.

18:24

The first officer read back that landing

18:25

clearance, and the tower then cautioned

18:27

them that the runway was wet.

18:30

After this, the first officer quickly

18:32

verified the landing checklist had been

18:33

completed, and a few moments later, the

18:36

tower controller asked again whether

18:37

they had the runway in sight.

18:40

Around this time, the dim lights of the

18:42

runway actually did appear through the

18:44

mist. So, the first officer now

18:46

confirmed, "Runway in sight."

18:48

And that was then followed by the

18:50

captain disconnecting the autopilot and

18:52

autothrottle, and beginning to [music]

18:53

steer towards the runway heading.

18:56

But now, the first officer noticed that

18:58

they weren't properly positioned to

19:00

land, so he called out, "Pull up! 2,000

19:03

set, sir." Referring to the go-around

19:05

altitude of 2,000 ft.

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It's likely because of the combination

19:09

of the offset approach and the low

19:10

visibility, they had simply spotted the

19:13

runway too late. So, making that visual

19:15

right turn to align properly with it was

19:18

now not possible, which

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to be honest, was quite predictable.

19:23

But, in spite of this, the captain now

19:25

asked, "Is that the right one?" And the

19:28

first officer repeated, "Right, right,

19:29

right hand side."

19:31

"Where?" said the captain, to which the

19:33

first officer repeated himself again,

19:35

and at that point, the captain just

19:37

uttered a curse and said, "Okay, okay,

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that's right. [music] Go around."

19:42

He initiated the go-around procedure by

19:44

slowly increasing thrust towards the

19:46

[music] takeoff go-around or toga

19:48

setting, allowing the pitch to gently

19:51

increase towards the go-around attitude.

19:54

>> [music]

19:54

>> Now, the procedure for a go-around on

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the Airbus A310 was to increase thrust

19:58

to toga, hold the pitch angle at the

20:00

maximum of 18° [music] pitch up, and

20:03

then retract the landing gear, and then

20:05

flaps before climbing to the go-around

20:06

altitude, which in this case was 2,000

20:09

ft.

20:10

But, one counterintuitive aspect of this

20:13

procedure was that, in order to maintain

20:15

a pitch of 18°, pilots might actually

20:18

have to push forward on their controls

20:20

instead of pulling back. And that was

20:22

because aircraft with engines mounted

20:24

[music] below the center of mass, like

20:26

the A310 had, will experience [music] a

20:29

pitch up moment when the engine thrust

20:31

is increased, and that's especially

20:33

noticeable when the aircraft is light,

20:35

like it was in this case.

20:37

Now, if you imagine a 2D aircraft pinned

20:40

to a wall with a pin through the center

20:42

of mass, if you then grab the plane

20:45

below that pin and push it forward, it

20:47

will then rotate about the pin, bringing

20:49

the nose up, right?

20:51

Well, that is essentially what happens,

20:53

and these aircraft will do the same

20:54

thing, but when the autopilot is

20:56

engaged, it will counteract this pitch

20:59

up moment by applying nose down elevator

21:01

as needed to prevent the pitch from

21:02

exceeding 18°. [music]

21:05

But, if the autopilot is off,

21:07

well, then the pilot will need to adjust

21:08

that pitch manually. And in some cases,

21:11

that might require some quite quick and

21:13

assertive control inputs to prevent the

21:16

pitch from getting too high.

21:18

In this case though, the captain was

21:20

fairly conservative with his thrust

21:22

increase, taking a full 23 seconds to

21:25

reach the toga setting. [music]

21:27

Then

21:28

even though that was the case, he still

21:31

didn't use enough pitch down inputs

21:33

here. So, the pitch initially increased

21:34

to 24° before he was able to get it back

21:37

down to 18.

21:39

Now, just for context, we consider an

21:41

unintentional pitch up of 25° or more to

21:44

be an in-flight upset.

21:47

So, this wasn't [music] great.

21:49

Nevertheless, the captain kept the plane

21:51

under control, and the pilots executed

21:53

the rest of the missed approach

21:54

procedure without any real [music]

21:56

issues, climbing back to 2,000 ft and

21:58

then requesting a return back to the

22:00

final approach fix, which the tower

22:02

controller quickly granted them.

22:04

After having completed the initial turn,

22:07

the captain then clarified to his first

22:09

officer that he would now do a teardrop

22:11

course reversal and then attempt the

22:13

approach again. And he then added, "Too

22:16

close. We were off to the left, weren't

22:18

we?"

22:19

On top of that, he also then mentioned

22:21

that there had been a high rate of climb

22:23

during the go-around, to which the first

22:24

officer correctly replied,

22:26

"I it might be because we are very

22:28

light."

22:29

But there was no further discussion of

22:32

this or any kind [music] of internal

22:34

debrief on how to avoid it the next

22:36

time, nor any discussion about the poor

22:38

weather at this point. So, the pilots

22:40

just executed that teardrop maneuver and

22:43

went straight back into a second

22:44

approach.

22:46

Now, at this point, it would have made a

22:47

lot of sense to instead enter into

22:50

holding and wait for the visibility to

22:52

improve. After all, they had plenty of

22:54

fuel with them, but neither pilot seemed

22:57

to even wanting to suggest that.

23:00

Instead, the first officer just

23:01

obliquely asked,

23:03

"Do you want me to ask if it's raining

23:05

at the airfield or not?" To which the

23:07

captain told him to ask for the

23:08

visibility instead, which makes sense.

23:11

But the first officer just went ahead

23:13

and asked whether it was raining anyway.

23:15

To which he was told by the controller

23:17

that, "Yeah, there's some light rain

23:19

over the field."

23:21

The investigators noted that the first

23:22

officer might not have actually

23:24

correctly heard the captain's

23:26

instruction to ask for the visibility

23:28

instead because the captain seemed to be

23:30

very [music] soft-spoken. But if that

23:33

was the case, the captain could have

23:34

easily just repeated [music]

23:36

his requests.

23:37

But that did not happen here.

23:39

Which possibly points to a bit of lack

23:42

of

23:43

crew resource management, which is

23:44

something that this crew would

23:46

definitely come to need.

23:50

Once again, the pilots now lined up for

23:51

the VOR approach after having made a

23:53

quick PA to the passengers about not

23:55

having been able to land and that they

23:56

would try again.

23:59

They then assumed the approach course of

24:01

215 degrees, completed the landing

24:03

checklist again, and began descending.

24:06

At time 18:52, the controller again

24:09

cleared flight 261 to land. And just 1

24:11

minute later, the captain could be heard

24:13

complaining about the offset approach

24:15

course, noting that it was difficult to

24:17

land like this.

24:18

And the first officer agreed.

24:21

In the background, the cockpit voice

24:23

recorder captured the sound of the

24:24

windscreen wipers running at high

24:26

setting. And as we could hear that the

24:29

tower controller also came in and asked

24:31

for their intentions.

24:33

The first officer responded that the

24:34

runway still was not in sight at that

24:36

point. And 5 seconds later, the captain

24:39

asked if the runway was off to the

24:41

right. To which the first officer said

24:42

he wasn't sure. He could only see

24:45

intermittent red lights.

24:47

The captain now added that they were too

24:49

far left of the runway. And asked

24:52

whether they had passed it already,

24:53

suggesting that they should go around.

24:57

So the first officer again confirmed

24:58

that the go-around altitude of 2,000 ft

25:00

was set and the captain again used the

25:02

go-around switches on the thrust levers.

25:05

But, this time this put the autopilot

25:07

and autothrottle into go-around mode for

25:08

an automatic go-around since he had

25:11

never disconnected the automatics on

25:12

this approach.

25:14

The autothrottle now quickly spooled the

25:16

engines up to TOGA thrust in about 8

25:18

seconds. Well, the autopilot applied

25:20

nose-down elevator [music] to keep the

25:22

pitch from rising above 18° in a smooth

25:25

and controlled way.

25:26

The aircraft then climbed to 2,000 ft

25:28

again and executed the missed [music]

25:30

approach checklist. And after that, the

25:32

captain said that this time he would

25:35

bring them all the way out to the

25:36

intermediate approach fix at 11 mi from

25:39

the VOR before coming back in.

25:42

Maybe he wanted to do that in an effort

25:44

to slow things down a bit and allow for

25:45

the weather to improve, but it was never

25:48

really discussed.

25:50

He also continued to complain about the

25:52

fact that the approach was not in line

25:53

with the runway. And the first officer

25:55

explained that he had seen some lights

25:58

earlier, but with so many runway lights

26:00

out of service, he wasn't sure whether

26:02

it was the runway or a fishing boat that

26:04

he had seen and he didn't want to

26:06

mislead the captain.

26:08

>> [music]

26:08

>> And to be honest, if there is a doubt

26:10

between those two things, that was

26:12

probably a good idea.

26:14

Now, at this point, the pilots also had

26:16

to make a choice about how they were

26:18

going to proceed and if they should even

26:20

try for an approach a third time, which

26:22

in my view should have been a pretty

26:25

easy choice.

26:27

At my old airline, we weren't even

26:29

allowed to attempt a third approach

26:31

unless the visibility had doubled from

26:33

the previous attempts and obviously was

26:35

above the minimums.

26:37

So, realistically speaking, the best

26:39

course of action here would have been to

26:41

either hold and wait for the visibility

26:43

to improve substantially or just divert

26:46

back to Bangkok.

26:48

>> [music]

26:48

>> But, instead of having this crucial

26:49

discussion, the captain just told the

26:51

first officer to request another

26:53

approach, which he promptly did.

26:56

Now, most likely the captain was feeling

26:57

some pressure here to get his passengers

27:00

to their destination, [music] whether

27:02

that pressure was self-induced or

27:03

otherwise. So, he now became narrowly

27:07

focused on accomplishing that goal.

27:10

And with that mindset, he must have

27:12

concluded that there was no harm in just

27:14

trying again.

27:16

Maybe this time it would work.

27:18

But the truth here is that if you have

27:20

failed twice, chances are that you'll

27:21

fail a third time as well. And

27:24

if you do that, well, then you will be

27:26

even more tired than you were on the

27:28

first two.

27:29

>> [music]

27:29

>> And this is where the pilot monitoring

27:32

must step in and become the voice of

27:34

reason.

27:35

But unfortunately, that didn't happen.

27:38

Instead, the captain now made another PA

27:40

to the passengers informing them that he

27:42

would try the approach one more time and

27:45

then return to Bangkok if it failed.

27:46

[music]

27:47

But

27:48

there was still no discussion around

27:50

that decision with his first officer.

27:54

As they positioned for the third

27:56

approach, pushing through the clouds and

27:58

rain, the captain was clearly still

28:00

focused on those earlier failed

28:02

approaches.

28:03

He complained that they couldn't turn in

28:05

in time because they had gained visuals

28:08

too close to the runway. And he joked

28:10

nervously that if they didn't land on

28:12

time, well, then this plane might not be

28:14

available for its next scheduled flight

28:16

over to Chiang Mai.

28:18

Then, as they ran through the landing

28:20

checklist for the third time, he

28:22

repeatedly said,

28:23

"It's too close." And he then asked his

28:26

first officer to inform Thai Airways

28:28

operations of their plans to go back to

28:30

Bangkok if this approach was

28:32

unsuccessful.

28:34

Just a few moments later, at time 19:05,

28:37

the captain's worst fears were confirmed

28:40

as the tower controller informed them

28:41

that the visibility had now reduced down

28:43

to only 1,000 m.

28:45

>> [music]

28:45

>> On the cockpit voice recorder, you could

28:47

hear the captain mumble to himself,

28:49

"1,000 m, unable."

28:52

And that clearly showed that he knew

28:53

that continuing this approach beyond

28:55

this point was likely a just a fool's

28:58

errand.

28:59

But

29:00

perhaps out of some misplaced hope that

29:02

somehow this approach would be

29:03

different, he still didn't abandon it.

29:07

Now,

29:08

remember what I said about how minimums

29:09

exist to keep [music] us pilots from

29:11

pushing ahead into bad conditions hoping

29:13

for a miracle?

29:15

Well, this is an excellent example of

29:18

why that is.

29:20

The first officer now asked the

29:21

controller again whether it was raining

29:23

at the field, and she replied that there

29:25

was indeed still some light rain, and

29:27

that the runway was wet, and she then

29:29

cleared them to land.

29:31

And to this, the captain responded that

29:33

since they were now cleared to land,

29:34

they might as well try the approach

29:35

anyway, showing that maybe this

29:38

clearance was what pushed this decision

29:40

over the edge, even though obviously the

29:42

controller had no say in that matter.

29:46

After finishing the landing checklist,

29:48

the captain confirmed that they were on

29:50

course, and he then asked the first

29:52

officer if he could see the runway this

29:54

time,

29:55

but he didn't get any reply back.

29:58

At 100 ft above the MDA, the captain

30:01

disconnected the autopilot and attempted

30:02

[music] to turn inbound to where he

30:04

thought that the runway should be, but

30:07

just seconds later, the runway lights

30:09

appeared through the rain, predictably

30:10

still way too far off to the right. So,

30:14

the captain now exclaimed, "Oh, we can't

30:16

make it. We cannot land." And he then

30:18

called for the third go-around for the

30:20

night.

30:22

The first officer called for him to

30:23

press the go-around switch or go lever,

30:26

which he did, but there was a crucial

30:29

difference this time.

30:30

You see,

30:31

he hadn't disconnected the auto

30:33

throttle.

30:35

Remember, during the first go-around,

30:37

both the autopilot and the auto throttle

30:39

had been disconnected, [music] and the

30:40

captain then increased thrust manually,

30:42

really, really slowly over 23 seconds

30:46

and was therefore able to keep the pitch

30:47

under control,

30:49

albeit barely.

30:51

And then, during the second go-around,

30:52

both the automatic systems had been

30:54

engaged. So, while the autothrottle had

30:56

advanced thrust rapidly in just 8

30:58

seconds, the autopilot had quickly

31:00

compensated for the sudden pitch up to

31:02

keep the pitch

31:04

at or under 18°.

31:07

Now, those two previous go-arounds had

31:08

likely set the captain's unconscious

31:10

expectations of what would happen now

31:12

during the start of this third

31:14

go-around.

31:15

But, of course, this time, when the

31:17

autothrottle increased thrust [music] to

31:18

TOGA in 8 seconds, the autopilot wasn't

31:21

there to help. So, it was now entirely

31:24

up to him to keep the pitch angle under

31:26

control.

31:27

In such a light aircraft, by this point

31:29

down to only 102 tons and with slightly

31:33

aft center of gravity, a rather

31:35

aggressive pitch down input would be

31:37

needed. [music]

31:39

And this was especially true also since

31:40

in the go-around mode, the Airbus A310's

31:42

autothrottle appears to always use

31:44

maximum thrust, which in this case was

31:46

102% N1.

31:49

Now, that is way more than this

31:53

particular aircraft needed for this

31:54

go-around, and I am surprised that it

31:57

was set up that way.

32:00

On the Boeing 737 that I fly, pressing

32:02

the TOGA switches once will give you a

32:04

reduced go-around thrust of around 90%

32:07

N1, which will lead to a smoother,

32:10

controlled go-around with around 2,000

32:12

ft per minute rate of climb. And if you

32:13

want max thrust for whatever reason,

32:16

well, then you have to then press the

32:17

switch again.

32:19

But, as far as I can tell, the Airbus

32:21

A310 doesn't seem to have that option.

32:24

Now, if you are an A310 pilot or used to

32:26

be,

32:27

let me know if that's the case in the

32:29

comments below.

32:31

In any case, the result of the engines

32:33

now spooling up this way was a very fast

32:35

pitch up momentum, which had to be

32:38

countered [music] aggressively. But, it

32:40

seems like the captain's mind was at

32:42

this point still focused on the reasons

32:44

behind the failed approaches, because

32:47

even as he made the standard go-around

32:49

callouts, he also added things like

32:52

"Too close. Cannot land."

32:55

All meanwhile, the nose of his aircraft

32:57

was now rising higher and higher,

32:59

shooting through 18° in just a few

33:01

seconds.

33:02

So,

33:03

he needed to react immediately to this,

33:06

but in his distraction and complacency,

33:09

that didn't happen.

33:13

Now,

33:14

this sequence of events is actually

33:15

eerily similar to another accident

33:17

involving the very similar Airbus A300,

33:20

which had happened earlier in that same

33:22

year.

33:24

In February of 1998, China Airlines

33:27

flight 676 was approaching Taipei,

33:29

Taiwan, when the captain decided to

33:31

execute a go-around. But, moments before

33:34

that, he had applied some force onto the

33:36

control column, enough to actually

33:38

exceed the autopilot's automatic

33:40

disconnect function, which he had done

33:42

noticed, but likely hadn't fully

33:45

processed when he pressed the go-around

33:47

switches.

33:49

As a result of that, the auto throttles

33:51

pulled up the engines to go-around power

33:53

rapidly, and the nose started to climb,

33:55

but the captain initially failed to

33:57

intervene because he was expecting the

33:59

autopilot to hold the pitch.

34:01

And as a result, the pitch angle quickly

34:03

exceeded 40° nose up. The aircraft

34:06

stalled, and flight 676 plummeted into a

34:09

residential street before

34:11

the captain had any chance to recover.

34:13

The sad outcome was the loss of 202

34:16

lives.

34:19

Now, both that China Airlines captain

34:21

and this captain likely understood the

34:23

physics involved here. They knew that

34:26

their low slung engines would cause a

34:27

pitch-up moment when the thrust was

34:29

increased. So, the reason both of them

34:31

failed to action it wasn't because they

34:33

didn't understand the principle,

34:35

but instead likely because their mental

34:37

model of how the aircraft was going to

34:39

react to their inputs was based on

34:41

inaccurate starting conditions.

34:44

In the case of the China Airlines

34:45

captain, he hadn't realized that the

34:47

autopilot was off and therefore hadn't

34:49

mentally prepared himself to take manual

34:50

control of the airplane's pitch. And the

34:53

captain of this aircraft knew that the

34:55

autopilot was off because he had

34:57

intentionally disconnected it just a few

34:59

seconds earlier,

35:00

but he hadn't taken the time to

35:02

anticipate how the reaction would be

35:04

from the aircraft

35:05

>> [music]

35:05

>> when the autothrottle was still on

35:08

and how that would be different from the

35:10

previous two go-arounds.

35:13

On top of that, he was likely still

35:15

under stress from these three failed

35:16

approaches and was probably feeling

35:18

quite frustrated, which might have

35:20

reduced his focus on the basic piloting

35:22

skills that was now in front of him.

35:25

And also, by the way,

35:26

on the 737, we don't have automatic

35:29

go-around capability for most of our

35:31

approaches, only autolands. So, we are

35:34

quite familiar with the handling of

35:35

manual go-arounds.

35:37

But on an aircraft like the Airbus A310,

35:39

which can perform automatic go-arounds,

35:42

I can kind of see how the demands of a

35:44

sudden manual go-around could catch a

35:47

pilot off guard.

35:49

But the result of all of these factors

35:52

was that the captain now pushed forward

35:54

way too gently to stop the pitch from

35:56

increasing.

35:57

In fact, he used less than 50% of the

36:00

control authority that was available to

36:02

him and consequently the pitch increased

36:04

past 18° to 25, then 30, then nearly

36:08

40°.

36:10

At that point, the captain did push

36:12

forward for about 5 to 6 seconds, which

36:15

briefly brought the nose back down to

36:16

about 30°,

36:18

but

36:19

then he let go again. The nose rotated

36:22

back up past 40° and then to almost 50,

36:25

which is incredible.

36:28

Now, obviously, this caused the aircraft

36:30

speed to just quickly wash off, and its

36:33

angle of attack soon approached what was

36:35

needed for an aerodynamic stall.

36:38

From the ground, if anyone would have

36:39

been able to see this, it would have

36:41

looked like the aircraft was basically

36:43

hanging almost motionless in the sky

36:45

like a big cross.

36:47

In fact, only 19 seconds after the

36:49

captain had pressed the go around

36:51

switches, the stall warning activated,

36:53

shaking the pilot's [music] control

36:55

columns and triggering a loud cricket

36:57

alarm in the cockpit.

36:59

Now, the correct response to that

37:00

warning would have been to immediately

37:02

push the nose down to reduce the angle

37:04

of attack and increase the airspeed,

37:06

which is something that we pilots

37:07

practice so frequently that it should

37:10

become second nature to us.

37:13

But, time and time again, history has

37:15

shown that sometimes pilots react in the

37:17

complete opposite way [music] by pulling

37:19

back.

37:21

Now, we don't know exactly why this

37:23

happens, but there are a couple of

37:24

hypotheses that we can put out there.

37:27

One possibility is that when a stall

37:29

warning catches a pilot by surprise, a

37:31

deeper, more basal instinct takes over,

37:34

which is the instinct to reach out, grab

37:36

the control column, and pull it closer

37:38

to one's body.

37:40

This is possibly a reaction to acute

37:42

stress, much like when a situation

37:44

catches you by surprise while you're

37:45

driving, and suddenly you're white

37:47

knuckling the steering wheel and sitting

37:49

up extra straight in your seat.

37:51

But, of course, if you do this in an

37:52

airplane under these kind of

37:53

circumstances, you'll end up pulling

37:55

back on the yoke and raising the nose

37:57

even further, which in a stall situation

38:00

could kill you.

38:02

Now, the whole purpose of stall training

38:03

is to make sure that our instinctive

38:05

reaction to the sound of the stick

38:07

shaker is to push the controls forward

38:10

without even having any time to think

38:12

about it.

38:13

But, like I said, occasionally for some

38:14

individuals, maybe that training doesn't

38:17

quite stick. [music]

38:19

Alternatively, another reason for the

38:21

captain's behavior could have been a

38:23

sort of reverse somatogravic illusion.

38:27

Now, if you're a regular viewer of this

38:28

channel, you might remember that the

38:30

somatogravic illusion occurs when an

38:32

acceleration force pushes the pilot back

38:34

[music] in their seat, causing them to

38:36

falsely believe that the airplane is in

38:38

a pitch up.

38:40

Well, in this case, the plane really was

38:42

pitching up very steeply. [music] So,

38:44

gravity was pressing the pilots back

38:46

into their seats while the engines were

38:48

screaming [music]

38:49

at max thrust.

38:51

So,

38:52

it is possible that the captain

38:53

therefore became disoriented and

38:55

interpreted these cues to mean that the

38:57

airplane was accelerating rapidly and

39:00

would overspeed [music]

39:01

unless he pulled up to slow it down.

39:03

Either way, what we know is that as the

39:05

first officer exclaimed in surprise at

39:08

the stall warning, the captain now

39:09

grabbed his control column and for a

39:11

couple of brief panicked seconds, pulled

39:14

it towards his body, turning a dangerous

39:16

situation into

39:18

something truly catastrophic.

39:20

The pitch quickly increased to nearly

39:22

60° as the airspeed plummeted to [music]

39:25

below 30 kn,

39:27

which obviously caused the aircraft to

39:28

go into a fully developed aerodynamics

39:30

stall.

39:32

And at a height of just 1,880 ft, this

39:35

situation [music] was now completely

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unrecoverable. The only way to regain

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energy would have been to descend, but

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there wasn't enough altitude left to get

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the speed [music] back up before they

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hit the ground.

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As the airplane entered the stall, the

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loss of airflow over the ailerons also

39:51

led to a loss of roll control and the

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airplane therefore swayed wildly from

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side to side as it fell, banking first

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120° right, then back 50° left, 60°

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right, and then left again.

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The first officer now shouted and called

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for full thrust,

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>> [music]

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>> but the engines were already producing

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that.

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And still, the captain clung to the

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control column, holding it in the nearly

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full nose up position.

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But of course, with the aircraft in a

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fully developed aerodynamic stall, its

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effect was now limited. So, the [music]

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nose soon dropped anyway, falling below

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the horizon as the plane plunged towards

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the ground below.

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There were just enough time for the

40:32

ground proximity warning system to call

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out

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>> Don't sink.

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>> Minimum.

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>> 100.

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>> And then, it was over.

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At time 19:08 and 25 seconds, Flight 261

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crashed into a flooded plantation with a

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nearly neutral pitch attitude and a high

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rate of descent. [music]

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The impact severely damaged the

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aircraft, but due to its very low

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forward speed and the swampy terrain at

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the impact site, only 51 of the 146

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occupants perished in the impact [music]

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itself.

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Unfortunately, though, a fire soon

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erupted from the left wing and then

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spread quickly through the fuselage,

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forcing the survivors to flee as best as

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they could from the badly mangled cabin.

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And tragically, many were [music] unable

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to do so.

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Medical examinations later showed that

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50 people died primarily due to the

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effects of the fire, bringing the total

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[music] death toll to 101, including

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both of the pilots, while only 45 were

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able to escape.

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Now, the final report of this accident

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was among the very worst that I've ever

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read.

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>> [music]

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>> It was missing loads of key information.

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The analysis was only surface level, and

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it had some factual errors that were

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thankfully called out in the comments

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left by the [music] French BEA, who

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participated in the investigation on

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behalf of Airbus.

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As a result, my team and I had to

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combine the raw flight data and the

42:06

cockpit transcript with our knowledge of

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aircraft performance and human factors

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in order to explain why the pilots of

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this flight made certain decisions, as

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well as why they ultimately lost control

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of their airplane. And I want to

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especially highlight two things that I

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think that we can learn from this.

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[music]

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Firstly, the captain of this flight

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didn't effectively control his aircraft

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during either of the manual go-arounds

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because he wasn't anticipating its

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behavior and his control inputs were

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just too [music] timid.

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These are both signs of a pilot who

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maybe didn't get enough manual flight

42:39

time and therefore wasn't comfortable

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using the control authority that he had.

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So,

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if you are a pilot out there, try to get

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some hand flying in when it's safe and

42:49

suitable to do so.

42:51

The second lesson has to do with risk

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taking.

42:54

This crew decided to attempt a third

42:56

approach and basically all of these

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approaches on the conditions that they

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knew would likely preclude a successful

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landing.

43:03

And the captain still [music]

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disconnected the autopilot and tried to

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line up with a runway that he couldn't

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clearly see, putting himself and his

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crew and aircraft in a situation where

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he had to hand fly a go-around at night

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in marginal conditions close to [music]

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the ground.

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And this is a situation that we'd prefer

43:20

not to put ourselves in if we can help

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it, which is why we're supposed to

43:24

comply with stipulated weather minima in

43:26

the first place.

43:28

Now, I want to really shout out my

43:30

script writer, Kira, for this script,

43:32

where she has done a lot of great work.

43:35

I am so proud of my entire team for all

43:38

of the hard work that they do and that

43:40

is made possible both by the support of

43:42

our sponsors, which I hope you will

43:43

check out,

43:45

but especially by our fantastic private

43:47

sponsors in the Patreon crew.

43:50

Now, if you want to support us as well

43:51

and get to see [music] my upcoming

43:53

videos both here on Mentor Pilot and on

43:55

Black Box and Mentor Now before everyone

43:58

else, well then scan this QR code or go

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44:05

Cuz I would really love to see you

44:06

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44:08

Here are also some great comments that

44:10

you guys posted in our last video and I

44:12

love both responding to them and reading

44:14

them. They're great. [music]

44:16

My name is Petter Hornfeldt and you're

44:18

watching Mental Pilot. Have an

44:20

absolutely fantastic day and I'll see

44:21

you [music] next time. Bye-bye.

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