Bricks and Minifigs Tried to Get Me Arrested to Stop This Video

I'm about to go to court and I don't

even know what I did wrong. Yeah, Bricks

and Mini Figs is making up tons of lies

about me to the police to try to get me

thrown in jail so I can't release my

documentary about them. But the crazy

part is is I'm not even allowed to know

what they're saying I did. Legally, I'm

not allowed to film inside court. So, I

formally requested the audio, but since

there was no visual, I hired an animator

to animate over it.

Right now, I kind of don't even know

what I'm being charged for because all

of the body cam footage has been

redacted. And they say it's to protect

the victims. However, he's I think there

are some redactions that maybe don't

make sense and that weren't to protect

the victims. And there's some things

being said about me that are redacted I

don't know about. I do have some concern

um in this case with the defendant

representing himself. The allegations

here um relate to the fact that the

defendant um he's a person who he's a

YouTuber um creates videos, publishes

them online, and um has been if this

defendant were to represent himself and

we were to provide body cams and

discovery, we would be now providing

additional

um information and fodder for this

defendant to create videos from which he

could profit by placing them on YouTube

at the expense of our victim. I have

serious concerns for that.

>> Yeah. The state of Utah is claiming that

if they tell me what I'm being accused

of, then I'll use it for content on my

YouTube channel, and they can't have

that. They're arguing to the judge that

the best thing to do is to not let me

know what's being said about me, which

is very strange, but that's their

argument. And just in case you haven't

been following along with this whole

Lego story, this is all happening

because I stepped in to help a family

who got their Lego collection stolen

from a company called Bricks and Minigs.

And for the last couple months, this

company's been doing whatever they can

to get me arrested so they can keep all

the Legos for themselves. And this isn't

even just me speculating. One of their

own employees literally told us what

their plan was.

>> I got a call from my boss and it was

like, "How do we get them arrested?"

>> Dang.

>> How do we get them arrested? But

eventually, Bricks and Mini Fakes found

out that I'm not just some random kid.

I'm actually a YouTuber making a

documentary on the entire scandal.

>> So, the YouTube guy is named Reckless

Ben.

>> I don't know. I don't want to be on

YouTube.

>> Yeah. This is when things really started

getting crazy. Bricks and figs went into

ultimate defense mode and was going to

do whatever it takes to prevent this

documentary from coming out. First, the

police got a call saying I had heroin on

me. This officer is going to conduct the

search of the person because substances

>> and obviously they found nothing. But

then they got a call saying that I was

the one that stole the Legos and I got

swatted by the entire police department.

>> Included in the warrant are Legos

>> and we all got arrested. But right when

I got out of jail, I got a warrant for

my arrest for some mystery crime that I

committed.

>> Seems like this guy might live in LA or

his last known [music] address is in LA.

>> Yeah. The police showed up to my house

all the way in Los Angeles to arrest me

without bail.

>> He was like, "Just tell him he has a he

has a warrant for his arrest."

>> But the police couldn't arrest me.

>> Any idea where he actually is?

>> No idea. Um, okay.

>> I was somewhere very far away.

But anyways, back to court. The judge is

looking at signing a protective order to

protect Josh and all of his statements

about me. If this protective order gets

signed, then I'll never be able to find

out what he's claiming I did.

>> I got bad news. Uh I I don't think we

have any more budget for animation,

dude.

>> Oh, shoot. So, how do we animate this

next court scene? I guess if if we have

to not pay the lawyers, then that I

guess the animation's more important,

right?

>> Yeah, we decided maybe the lawyers are

actually more important. So, um yeah, we

ran out of animation budget. Sorry,

guys. Uh the courts inclined to sign

this pre-trial protective order unless

you have an objection to it, Mr.

Schneider, and the objection to such an

order.

>> Uh yes, I think there's a bunch of

misunderstandings in this case. And so

this person doesn't want to get exposed.

So he's making up a lot of lies about me

to order to like get me arrested before

he gets exposed. So that's what this

whole thing's about. However, before I

was allowed to show any of the

overwhelming evidence I have to support

my claims, the judge didn't care about

the evidence and signed the protective

order. Anyways,

>> Mr. Schneider, the court's going to sign

this order and serve it upon you.

>> So, the court has made it clear they do

not want to look at the evidence and

they want to protect Josh and Brandon

for some reason. And now I have to

somehow fight a court case against all

of these mystery crimes against me that

I have no clue what they're even saying

I did. So, this whole mess is happening

in American Fork, Utah. But, I'm also

being charged with another case in

Provo, Utah. This is where corporate

bricks and mini figs is, which is why

I'm also being charged here. And this

police department has surprisingly

actually followed the law when it comes

to discovery. And they sent me all the

raw body cam footage of what I'm being

charged for. Let's start at the

beginning. The moment I first met the

CEO. The reason I'm talking to him right

now is because before exposing [music]

this company for the grand theft they

committed, I thought it was in good

faith to give them an opportunity to do

the right thing first before I make a

documentary [music] about this. You had

like $200 to $2,000 worth of Legos in

your store.

>> Nope.

>> Never happened.

>> But the CEO did not want to take the

opportunity to do the right thing and

instead instantly called the cops on us.

>> Hi there. I'm calling to report a crime.

>> They themselves say, "Hey, you guys

stole this product from this person. If

you don't give it back, I'm going to

burn the place down or we're we're going

to burn the place down or I'll kill you.

It's Ben Snyder who's been the one

engaged in this behavior." You can see

in the police report that the crime he

wanted to get us charged for is called

extortion, which basically means we're

threatening him into paying us, which is

very illegal. However, obviously, he's

just making all of this up. The reality

is I just thought it was a nice gesture

to give him the opportunity to do the

right thing first.

>> If you guys do have our Legos, we just

kind of want them back, you know? And

>> but if there's one thing I've learned

from this entire experience, it's that

whoever ends up doing the morally right

thing just ends up getting screwed over.

So now it's time to play the way Bricks

and Minigs is playing and use their own

strategy against them. Right now their

strategy is to get me arrested before I

get them arrested. So now I'm going to

uno reverse this and get Aean the CEO

arrested before he [music] gets me

arrested. But if I'm going to be the

reason that someone's going to jail, I

should probably make sure that they

definitely deserve this. So I'm going to

give them one more chance to try to do

the right thing first.

But instead of doing the right thing and

attempting to work this out, Ammon just

hid in his little office

[music]

and he called the police on me.

>> I can tell you right now, no one no

one's coming out to talk to you guys

like that.

>> But they told us that they were.

>> I know.

>> Normally, I wouldn't want to get someone

arrested, but we gave him every

opportunity to talk to us. So, at this

point, he's just arresting himself.

>> However, the only difference between my

strategy and Bricks and Minig's strategy

is I don't have to lie to the police.

Aean McN actually committed a crime. I

have tons of crimes on camera that Aean

McN has committed. Let's start at the

beginning with crime number one.

>> So, what's going on?

>> So, you guys are holding some of our

Legos.

>> No, we're not.

>> You're not?

>> No.

>> So, who's like

>> Brian Mancel?

>> Okay. And who is that?

>> Uh, he's a guy who had a bunch of He had

like $200,000 worth of Legos in your

guys' store.

>> Nope. Never happened. Aman was first

trying to claim that he's never even

heard of Brian Mancel. [music] And this

guy definitely never had any Legos in a

Bricks and Minig store. But once we

showed him all of the social media posts

his own company made, it was very

obvious that we just caught him in a

lie. So the CEO decided to change his

[music] story. And now the story is the

Legos used to be in the store, but the

previous owner, Crystal, [music] she

stole the Legos right before they took

over the store. Back up the Lego.

Crystal sold the Lego. The only problem

is their security camera footage of the

previous owner getting kicked out.

>> These are ones that haven't he has not

been paid his percentage yet. And if I

don't have the tickets, I won't know how

much I need to pay him.

>> That that's a business thing and not

necessarily yours. If taking on the

business, he takes on all that

consignment.

>> Corpor said that they're going to be the

ones to take over the consignment deal

with all the Legos that are still in the

store. And as extra proof that these

[music] LEGO sets were still in the

store, the owner went into the back and

started taking pictures of everything

that you [music] can verify in the

metadata with the timestamps that match

the exact moment she's getting kicked

out. And then you can see her leave the

store with nothing in her hands, proving

that the sets were still in the store

and the CEO is lying to us right now.

But that's only one side of the story. I

also thought it was fair to hear his

side. She sent a bunch of pictures of

the Lego still in the back. And you can

see in the security camera footage,

corporate comes and throws her out.

>> Oh, like great. I I I understand what

you're talking about, but you have a

misunderstanding of what has occurred

and you're taking one person's word over

another person's word to go after the

party that's responsible and you don't

want to cuz that's not easy.

>> You have you have accepted a narrative

that is not real

>> and you are continuing to pursue that

narrative because it's easy and it gives

you views and it gives you all sorts of

uh clout and does all sorts of things

that way.

>> So basically what the CEO is trying to

explain to me is we shouldn't be looking

at the evidence. instead. I should just

be taking his word for it because he

said so.

>> Crystal Law was a former franchisee of

Bricks and Minig.

>> Yeah,

>> she took Mr. Manel's Lego,

>> sold it, didn't pay him. She has his

money.

>> She sold his Lego. She has his money.

>> To make it easier for you guys to

understand the CEO's argument, we're

going to demonstrate his argument with a

little skit.

>> Oh, that was the back foot. No.

>> No. Are you sure

>> you have you have a misunderstanding of

what happened?

>> Yes. This is the exact argument the CEO

is trying to make. Something we just saw

on video the CEO is saying never

happened, which would mean the CEO's

lying. And most people would agree that

lying is morally wrong. However, if you

lie about a crime the way Aiman's lying

to me right now, then that's not just

morally wrong anymore. That crosses into

new territory called illegal. The

specific crime is called obstruction. If

someone commits this crime, they can get

arrested.

>> We're at the police station and we're

going to charge them with a criminal

crime, obstructing of evidence of um a

$200,000 theft. And good news for us, we

found out last week that all of the

police in Utah take obstruction very

seriously here. The police arrested my

friend Sheldon for obstruction just for

locking his phone. Right

>> now, you're you're attempting to destroy

evidence. Okay, put your hands behind

your back.

>> I was just locking my phone.

>> You're under arrest for obstruction of

evidence right now.

>> The crazy part is the police didn't even

have a warrant. So Sheldon locking his

phone was 100% legal. But the police

arrested him anyways because that's

literally how serious the police take

obstruction crimes here. They do not

mess around when it comes to

obstruction. So now just imagine how

angry the police are going to be when I

go into the police station and tell them

that someone is actually for real this

time committing an obstruction crime.

And this obstruction crime is on a much

bigger scale. Later the police called me

saying that they were going to do a

police investigation on this.

>> Hey Benjamin, this officer friend from

Provo Police.

>> I told the detective the entire

situation. He was saying that this

family's Lego sets were never even in

the store. like all of this stuff and

it's all documented. I have video of all

of him saying this. I think he's like

falsifying evidence and I think that's

obstruction.

>> And now that we stole Bricks and Minigs'

strategy, I think the plan is finally

going to work.

>> Looks like uh the CEO is going down.

>> I mean, I submitted the videos of Aean

saying, "We're going to burn down the

building and shoot him."

>> They themselves say, "Hey, you guys

stole this product from this person. If

you don't give it back, I'm going to

burn the place down or we're we're going

to burn the place down or I'll kill

you." And then I submitted all the raw

footage of the entire conversation I had

with him, proving to the police that we

never even said anything close to this.

This raw footage verifies that

everything I told the police is true.

And everything Aan told the police is a

lie. On top of that, I even got access

to the complete case Ammon made against

me and he doesn't have a single piece of

evidence to support any of his claims,

which I guess makes sense. Like, how can

you support evidence if you're just

making everything up? Like, of course,

you can't submit anything. So, if the

police have to decide what case to

pursue, they're obviously going to

pursue this case because it has like a

ton of evidence and then they're going

to throw out Aiman's case that has no

evidence at all.

>> The person you're trying to reach is not

available.

>> Hello, my name is Ben Schneider. A

couple months ago, I made a case uh and

you were the officer that was helping me

create it. I submitted a bunch of

evidence through a link you sent me and

this was a couple months ago and I

haven't heard anything back and so I'm

just calling to see if I could get some

type of update on how the case is going.

Uh it's about the CEO Aean McN of Bricks

and Minifigs in an obstruction case. And

so if you could give me a call back at

your earliest convenience that'd be

awesome.

>> We're sorry your call cannot be

completed.

>> Yeah. Literally, no matter what I tried,

I could not get a hold of this police

officer. So, I'm traveling all the way

back to Utah to go back to the Provo

Police Station in person to see how the

police investigation against Ammon is

going. And I just so happened to get a

hold of the police schedule and arrived

the exact time this officer was supposed

to arrive. But before I could speak to

this officer, one of the other police

officers called into the front desk and

asked to talk to me.

>> I'm not seeing him on duty right now.

Um,

>> really? They said he was going to be

here today at 3:00.

>> There's always the chance that they

might have called out sick or something.

Um

>> Uh-huh. Is there any way that you can

like check if he's here or

>> uh he's definitely scheduled to be here?

Like I said, they might have called out

sick or something.

>> Are you able to look and see how the

case is going? All I really want is kind

just an update on the case.

Um,

[music]

that's not something that I can tell you

over the phone.

>> Okay. You can't even just tell me like

how it's going, like if it's if you

still looking into it or

>> No, I can't. That's not something I can

do.

>> Okay. Well, thank you. So, basically, I

came all the way out here to find zero

answers, but eventually I did find an

answer. They sent it to me in the mail

and looks like I was right. The police

only had time to take on one of our

cases and it was Ammon's, not mine.

Yes, the case that had an overwhelming

amount of evidence. They thought that

case was garbage and they took on the

case that has zero evidence at all.

In the police body cam footage, after

the police watched my full conversation,

proving that I didn't threaten to burn

the place down or literally anything,

they even admitted to Aean that there

was no credibility with his entire case

against me.

>> We agreed that there really was

no extortion code that would fit your

situation. However, you know, at the end

of the day, we do want to help you guys

so you're not having to deal with the

school and

all of his issues. Um, we did find that

there was another code that fit and it's

called aggravated commercial

obstruction.

>> The police just told Aean that even

though there's absolutely nothing to his

claim against me, if they work together,

maybe they can fabricate some type of

charge against me.

>> However, the tricky thing is is that we

have to prove that this individual

either entered or remains unlawfully on

the premise. When he came to the

property, did you have to ask him more

than once to leave? Yes.

>> Okay.

>> You know, we're not leaving until we we

get it. And he's like, "No,

>> so Aean's telling the police that even

though they continuously told us to

leave, we didn't leave." But if we go

back and look at the footage of what

happened, this is the reality.

>> So when they say go to corporate, how do

we respond next time?

>> I have no idea. You have to take it up

with them. It's it's your uh thing with

them. It's that doesn't involve us.

>> Okay.

>> As a separate business entity,

>> you got to take it up with them. You got

to resolve it with them.

Okay. Well, thanks so much, guys.

>> Thank you.

>> And they're on their way out. Do you

want me to grab them or not?

>> I don't know. It kind of looks like the

reality of what happened is we left too

early for them. They wanted to pull us

back in to keep talking to us. But we

did show back up a second time. And to

Ammon's credit, about halfway through

the conversation, he did say that if we

don't leave, he's going to call the cops

on us. You can leave. If you come back

here, we will call the cops. If you

don't leave right now, I will call the

cops.

>> So, you don't want to do the easy way?

>> And this is right after I told him, you

could do it either the easy way and just

give us the Legos back or we can do it

the hard way. Implying that we would

take them to court.

>> So, you're threatening me?

>> I'm not threatening. It's it's we're

we're right like we have a right to the

Legos. So, we're going to get them the

easy way.

>> You have what proof of of ownership have

you provided to me that you own this

Lego?

>> I mean, I can give you proof if you

want.

>> Right. Provide proof. But right after he

says this, he's now asking us to provide

him proof that we actually are entitled

to these Legos. So, we can't leave now

because he just told us to stay and

provide proof. And then at the very end

of the conversation, he says this one

more time.

>> Okay. You've been asked to leave. Please

leave.

>> We have to leave.

>> Okay. Well, thank you for working with

us and so see you later.

>> Well, we have now all just seen the

video footage of what actually happened.

But now, let's hear how Ammon describes

it to the police.

>> Guys, at this point, I've asked you to

leave. Please leave. Well, we we you

know, like you have to listen to us. You

have to pay us this money. No, guys, you

need to leave and you're not leaving.

Like, but I asked multiple times. They

did not leave.

>> Looks like that might be a secondderee

felony. He's facing felony charges. It

is a felony.

>> Yes. Because I went to the corporate

headquarters [music] and tried to give

Ammon the easy way out of all of this.

They're now trying to get me on a

secondderee felony, which I don't really

know how any of this would make me get a

second degree felony. Like, what the

heck, police officers, but they're doing

it and the punishment for this crime is

15 years in jail.

>> I don't know, you know, like however

else, you know, like some of that stuff

comes through, but you know, like the

reality is like we've tried to talk with

him and said, "We're willing to work

with you." Yeah, I think one of the main

reasons the police keep taking Ammon's

side instead of ours, besides the whole

Mormon thing, is that Ammon keeps

framing the situation as he's just the

helpful CEO who's trying to do the right

thing and return Brian's property. And

we're the ones that are preventing him

from giving it back to Brian.

So, I say we rewatch the footage and see

what actually happened.

>> We said we would be more than happy to

help Mr. Manel. Uh yeah, cuz Brian said

he was unwilling to work with us.

>> Well, Brian said he asked for the the

store inventory and that cuz he said

like he wanted to work with you and then

you guys didn't provide the store

inventory.

>> We we we asked him to provide us with

any documentation and he provided us

with a spreadsheet. A spreadsheet is not

something that anybody, you know, like

you can just walk over to a, you know, a

McDonald's right now and say all of your

ice cream machines belong to me. Why?

because so and so said so and I have a

spreadsheet that says that all these ice

cream shoot for that's not proof of

ownership that's not proof of anything.

>> So first off this spreadsheet Ammon's

referring to wasn't just some mystery

spreadsheet it was the actual inventory

the store made but I guess Ammon's

trying to claim that the previous owner

stole the Legos and then lied on the

inventory and so now it basically makes

this inventory invalid. He said that

when corporate was taking over the store

that they actually did their own

inventory and this is the correct

inventory. When we took over, we did an

inventory.

>> And good news for me, he's willing to

give me this inventory. [music]

He's actually always been willing to

give it to me or Brian. All we've ever

had to do was ask.

>> We will work with you to to update any

Lego that that does exist.

>> Uh-huh.

>> And

>> well, we did that. And you guys

>> when

>> um I think like five or six times and

we've gotten zero response back.

>> Yeah. Literally the first thing I did

right when I heard about this entire

situation [music] was I Googled Brits

and Minigs, clicked on their website,

clicked contact us, and sent them a

message.

I actually got a message back from

corporate saying that they would love to

help. But after a few months, I kept

trying to reply to this message and they

just completely ghosted me. When

>> I think we've done like six over the

last like four or five months, find out.

Tell me when. Let's

>> see.

I said like, "Hey, I don't think I this

ever got resolved and it's reaching back

out right now." And then never uh

>> hit forward right now.

>> Resending.

>> What's the email?

>> That is a I I don't know what email

address that is. That's

>> This was on your guys's website.

>> That says fc.team.

I said franchise at bricksandmigs.com.

>> Well, this is still on the website. So,

>> did I Did I tell you look up something

on the website and send it there?

>> Well,

>> did I say that? just barely.

>> Well, that's what

>> Yes or no?

>> Did I say that?

>> No.

>> I just said send me an email to

franchisefix.com

and we will work with that.

>> But you're getting mad at me because I

emailed the email on the website.

>> You keep saying that you like so that I

understand that, but I'm telling you

right now and you're trying to argue on

something that I didn't give you any

information about. I'm telling you stick

to that one.

>> Yeah. You're like you're like getting

upset at us that we emailed the email

that was on your website. No, I'm I'm

telling you the way to do this. And

you've been probably trying to

communicate with a ghost.

>> Well, that's not that's your guys' fault

for putting that email on the website.

>> Sure. Okay. Understand.

>> Then so why are you getting mad at us?

Because we emailed the website for your

instruction.

>> To harass us for all sorts of things.

I'm not getting mad at you.

>> Well, we're not harassing. We're just

asking for our Legos back. If someone

stole money from you and you went and

politely asked for the money back, is

that you harassing them? It seems like

Ammon kept either trying to stall or

switch the subject. It almost seems like

he doesn't want to actually give us this

inventory. What? He keeps saying he's

willing to give it to us.

>> You guys can send that inventory list to

us.

>> What? Uh I I I do believe so. Yes, I we

could we I think we have sent that to

Brian.

>> He says he he said that's all he wants

is the inventory list and he'll stop

like bugging you guys.

>> Well, then Mr. Manzel and you and if you

want to be included on the emails with

Mr. Manzel, that's totally fine. You

guys can email us and we can go.

>> But you guys will give him the inventory

list cuz he said he's been asking for it

for over a year now.

>> We can show the inventory list that was

obtained when the store was originally

uh taken over from Crystal and we can

work through that process and try and

identify what was or wasn't there and

also try and identify how to proceed

from there.

>> Yeah, I think Brian gets upset because

he says they always say that they'll

send me the list. Kind of like how

you're saying, "Oh, we can send it

easily." But then when it comes down to

it, you'll never actually send it. So

maybe if you actually go ahead and send

it, it would make him feel better.

>> Well, I I understand what you're trying

to get at. We're more than willing to

work with you and help you. That's why

I'm saying [music] send an email to that

email address that I just gave to you,

and that will produce results.

>> Anyways, I sent an email to the email he

told me about, not the one on their

website. That's a bad email.

>> Don't ever ever email that one or the

CEO is going to be pissed. But according

to Ammon, now that I've sent this email,

I should be receiving the inventory list

very soon. [music]

So I waited all day

and I got no answer. So the next day I

[laughter] sent them another email. I

patiently waited again for about a week

and finally

this is their response. Mr. Snider BAM

franchising incorporation will not

participate in any form of communication

that appears designed for public

provocation, harassment or manipulation

of facts for the purpose of media

content,

attempts to obtain [music] privilege or

confidential information through

misrepresentation or the creation of

fraudulent documents. just for me asking

for this inventory list to prove their

innocence because I I want to give them

the benefit of the doubt. I want to be

like, "Hey, if you're innocent, I want

to prove that you're innocent with this

inventory list." But now, by me trying

to do that, that's criminal behavior

>> and consider and considered harassment

and we reserve all rights to refer such

behavior to appropriate legal

authorities, aka the cops.

>> So, don't ask for our inventory list or

else we're going to call the cops. Yes,

Bricks and Minigs has officially banned

me from ever asking for this inventory

list again. And I'm not the only one

who's banned from asking for this list.

>> He promised us a full inventory right

away. We've never received it.

>> Yeah. And every time it's been

just absolutely nothing. So, we've never

we've never gotten anything. We've never

gotten an inventory list.

>> Yeah. The previous owner who got her

entire store stolen from her by

corporate, I mean, she's legally

required to get sent an inventory list.

And even she 2 years later has not

gotten it yet.

>> It would have resolved everything

because they would have had to identify

everything in the store and it would

have identified all of Brian's stuff and

they never they never provided it. So we

couldn't then demand the third party

evaluation

>> and it's now

>> what a year and a half later

>> there's you know who knows what

>> still no inventory.

Dang. So,

>> would have solved a lot of problems a

year and a half ago to go, here's the

inventory.

>> And even Brian still hasn't received

this inventory list yet.

>> I've never received an inventory list.

I've never received a record of sales

because they can't provide it. They open

the store up almost right away and

started selling it.

>> And the worst part about all of this is

it seems like the CEO is pretty much

just trying to rub all of this in

everyone's face. When I turned on the

news, I saw this.

Now,

>> as far as offering Brian the inventory,

have you gone through the store, figured

out [music] what uh was part of his

collection, take an inventory, and shown

him that inventory [singing]

to offer that?

>> We've we've tried to share those with

Mr. Manel in hopes that he can see, you

know, like that that we were not

attempting in any way, shape, or form to

withhold anything. Those then were

offered to him and and the the initial

offer was rejected. So now on public

television, Ammon, the CEO, is telling

the world that he tried to give us

[music] this inventory, but we're the

ones that didn't want it.

>> We do want to help him recover as much

of the collection. Our number one

priority right now is to ensure that he

gets made whole. We know that that we

have a responsibility to work with him

to make sure he does get made whole.

>> So you've offered Brian uh the inventory

of sets that was in the store.

>> Yeah. what whatever was left over uh

we've offered that on on multiple

occasions. So So we've we've tried to

make multiple offers and uh hopefully

we'll be able to to get [music] them to

the table so we can discuss it.

>> And this is pretty much Ammon's game

plan now. Go on as many news stations as

you can and lie.

>> The entire time we were saying, "Hey, we

want to help. We want to help."

>> The main narrative now seems to be

Bricks and Mini [music] Fakes has always

been trying to give Brian his Legos

back, but Brian just never wanted them

back.

>> Would you be willing to just take this?

And the answer was no. was attempted to

be given to the family and it was

refused. They made the offer and said,

"Hey, you you can have all this and and

that offer was was not accepted at the

time."

>> Well, that's Ammon's side of the story,

but I say let's take a look at what

actually happened.

>> Read from the bottom up. That is our

correspondence with Bricks and Minigs,

trying to work with them and getting the

sets back.

>> So, right when this happened, Brian

hired an attorney to reach out to Bricks

and Minifigs. They sent an email saying,

"How should we proceed to retake the

possession of the set/ minifigures and

they actually emailed back saying they

were willing to help?" And then after

this, they just never respond.

So Brian's attorney sent them another

email. Just following up on this, uh,

when can we pick up the sets? And they

still didn't respond.

So the attorneys emailed back saying,

"It's now been 16 days. How can we get

these Legos back?"

And finally, they received a response.

It says Brandon Best and Joshua Johnson

have no legal obligation to return any

of the Lego product that exists in their

store to you. What? So yeah, basically

they're saying that they're the ones

that are not able to work with you is

what it seems like.

>> Exactly.

>> They finish this email saying, "We

consider this matter closed and will not

be returning any Lego products to you."

So as you can see, that's the reality of

what actually happened. But then Ammon

goes on Fox News and says this. So, they

actually did have an attorney send

information to us. We said, "Great.

Appreciate this. Let's see what we can

do to work this out."

>> Yeah.

>> And then we never heard back.

>> So, why are why is Ammon going on like

Fox News then and saying we wanted to

give Brian his stuff back? He's the one

that didn't want his stuff back. He did.

He didn't want any of his things.

>> That's my point. I don't know. He's

lying.

>> I I truly do believe in integrity.

Truly, I believe I I believe in the the

sentiment of integrity and I believe

everyone should have integrity. But

anyways, another thing the CEO seems to

be pretty upset about is that when Brian

kept demanding his stuff back and

couldn't get it back, eventually he had

enough and he was like, "I'm going to

make a Facebook post about this." And in

his Facebook post, he called Bricks and

Minigs thieves and liars. And this

Facebook post like really really pissed

off Ammon. I mean, Bricks and Minigs is

literally suing Brian now for millions

of dollars all because of this. I mean

back when I was talking to him at

corporate headquarters, he made it very

clear that what they did is technically

not actually considered theft.

>> There is no theft. Do do you understand

the legal definition of theft? Legally

have to meet the definition of knowing

that the property was stolen or

otherwise not to that person

>> and on my phone

>> was not known until Mr. Manzel came in

days later and said, "I have some of

these things that need to be

>> and that that's see that's another lie

again because

>> it is not another lie." So, I showed AM

in the security camera footage where

corporate acknowledges that they are now

going to be responsible for these Lego

Star Wars sets.

>> These are ones that haven't he has not

been paid his percentage yet.

>> And if I don't have the tickets, I won't

know how much I need to pay him.

>> That that's a business thing and not

necessarily yours. is taking on the

business. He kicks on all that.

>> And after showing him this footage to

try to bring the conversation back to

reality, this was his response.

>> Extortion

>> because we caught you guys.

>> No, because you are attempting to uh

extort us. So

that's what you're doing. What you are

doing right now is illegal. It's an

extortion.

>> So catching you guys in illegal

activity, that's illegal on me.

>> Nope. We we have done nothing.

>> See, I agree too. I agree. Nope. It's

not illegal on us.

>> We doing nothing illegal and you are

doing something illegal right now.

>> I don't think that's illegal. I think us

catching you guys for doing the illegal

thing doesn't make that what we're doing

is illegal. That means what you guys are

doing is illegal.

Okay. You've been asked to leave. Please

leave.

we have to leave. Yes.

>> Okay. Well, thank you for working with

us. And

>> after just going around in circles for

probably 30 to 40 minutes and just, you

know, having like kind of uh less than

genuine questions or less than genuine

um responses being given to me, you

know, I I was exasperated by the end of

it. And that's, you know, like when when

when people get tired and exasperated,

>> that's when like, ah, we finally got the

the footage that we can use to make him

look like a completely unreasonable

monster, you know, like. So, but but

that's what they do is is, you know,

people whose goal is to do those types

of things.

>> They just harass and and go after people

as long and hard as they can until

somebody breaks and says something that

um, you know, then they can, you know,

use that one clip to be like, "Oh, look

at this horrible monster of a person."

So that's that that's what I feel like

has kind of really happened here.

>> So Ammon's claiming that I just harassed

him for 30 minutes and finally he got

fed up with us, which that [music] was

the one clip at the end that I used in

my documentary. So I say, let's go to

the very beginning of the footage,

[music] my first interaction with them,

and see what actually happened.

>> So what's going on?

>> So you guys are holding some of our

Legos?

>> No, we're not.

>> You're not?

>> No.

>> Yeah. Literally from the very first

sentence we ever exchanged with each

other, Ammon's goal was just to lie to

us. But anyways, I'm now starting to

think that the only reason Ammon wanted

us to email him about the inventory list

wasn't actually gave us the inventory

list, but actually it was a trap. Yeah,

Ammon only wanted me to email him so he

can find out my email and subpoena

Google and find out all of my private

information.

And you think I'm lying, but they

actually did this. They subpoenaed

Google asking for all private

information tied to this email address.

And Google sent them like hundreds of

hours of all the raw footage from

everything I've filmed the Lego video so

far. All my emails, all my search

history, all the metadata that shows

everywhere I've been. But anyways, this

was the reaction of the police officer

after she watched my entire first

episode.

>> I'm really curious to see like if this

school even makes any money doing this

YouTube stuff. I'm like, if it's enough

for him to travel to another state just

to go get some footage,

>> I I it doesn't even sound like his his

like secret information doesn't even

seem credible from my understanding.

>> No. So So it sounds like you were able

to watch the video.

>> I think by secret information, the

police officer is referring to the

security camera footage that proves that

everything Bricks and Minifigs is saying

is a lie. My first question is, how

could this not be credible? It's

literally just video evidence of what

happened that night. But at least now I

can see why the police aren't listening

to me. They're basically just saying

that all of the evidence I submit to

them is not credible and therefore case

closed. Ben's wrong and we're right

because we said that the evidence is

uncredible. At this point, Bricks and

Minigs is working with the police to

just come up with whatever story they

can to make any evidence I give them

seem as uncredible as possible. in all

of his actions to just generate clicks

and likes to get, you know, like social

media clout without putting in work and

just doing the the the crummy stuff.

>> Interesting.

>> He seems like a [sighs]

a fun gentleman.

>> No. No. Oh, and you know,

>> his his MMO really seems [music] to

follow somebody who's like a paper

tiger, right? Like who like behind, you

know, or or like a keyboard warrior.

They'll make threats. And this is the

craziest part of the video to me.

Ammon's claiming that I'm a keyboard

warrior. And a keyboard warrior is

basically just someone who talks a lot

of smack online, but then when it

actually comes down to it, they won't do

anything in person. Which, I mean, if we

look back at the footage, I accomplished

almost everything I set out to do. I

didn't get scared of anything. If

someone in this story is a keyboard

warrior, I don't think it's me. I think

it's bricks and mini figs. I mean, let's

double check by looking at the footage.

Ammon claims with his words that he can

give us the inventory list.

>> You can show the inventory list.

>> But when it actually comes down to it,

he's terrified to give it to anyone.

Bricks and Minigs this entire time has

also just been begging me to sue them.

>> If you think it's illegal, why don't you

sue me?

>> Let's go to court. Sue me for us.

>> Sue me. Let's go to court.

>> Let's go to court then.

>> So when I finally go out and actually

sue them, they close down their store.

And now Bricks and Minigs is going to

absolute extreme lengths to hide from

this lawsuit. Are you okay if she just

gives you the paper so we can just

>> No, I'm not accepting service. Okay.

>> Absolutely not.

>> I mean, Bricks and Minigs is showing all

of the signs of a keyboard warrior, but

for some reason they think that I'm the

keyboard warrior at this point. It

almost seems like everything Bricks and

Minifigs is doing, for some reason, they

think that I'm the one that's the one

doing it.

>> Well, I'll keep my fingers crossed for

you guys. Hope no more issues. There's

so many other things that this guy could

like be talking about, right?

>> 100%. But sometimes, you know, it's a

song fallacy. They just think, "Oh, I

put so much time and effort into this. I

got to I got to make sure something

happens."

>> Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

>> Yes, Ammon just completely proved my

point. Obviously, I'm not suffering from

the sunk cost fallacy at all. Ammon's

the one suffering from the sunk cost

fallacy. I mean, they literally already

admitted to me that they've held on to

the Legos for so long, it's not worth it

for them to give it back to us anymore.

That's why I got distributed on stains

at this point. They've kept them in my

home for for this long. So,

>> let's see what else Bricks and Minigs is

accusing me of. Well, they're suing me

for defamation. But this entire time,

Bricks and Minigs [music] is actually

the ones defaming me.

>> They themselves say, "Hey, you guys

stole this product from this person. If

you don't give it back, I'm going to

burn the place down."

>> Let's go to the next thing. Bricks and

Miniigs is accusing me of extortion.

when they're the ones actually extorting

me by saying if I don't let them steal

the Legos from us, they're going to make

up a reason to throw me in jail.

>> You man. You stole them,

>> I stole the Legos.

>> Get out of your thief.

>> Thanks.

>> Okay,

>> you can shut the up. That's your

choice.

>> Freaking mini figs is also getting me

for RICO charges.

>> They're charging reckless Ben for Rico.

I think it is uh more likely that the

police are guilty of Rico, right? And if

you look at the CEO's previous

businesses, he actually got sued for

Rico. He's the one guilty of Rico, not

me. They're also accusing me of sending

a sniper to shoot out the windows of the

McNeff house.

>> You guys want to come too? You can see

the window and see where they were

shooting from. It could be a sniper

blade on the hill.

>> When the police got there, they realized

it was actually a construction worker

who accidentally shattered the window.

>> Seems more likely that it happened from

construction work than it happened from

some random people

>> across the way. But even after all this,

they still go online and say it was me.

>> He's trying to get Ben Schneider for

like attempted murder. He's basically

trying to set Ben Schneider up for

attempted murder when when meanwhile it

was a nail from his own construction

worker.

>> So what's the moral of the story here?

It looks like everything bad bricks and

mini figs is doing. They think that I'm

the one that's doing the bad thing. It

makes no sense.

>> So I just let you know we call the

double blind. The person who committed

the crime may or may not be in the

lineup or depicted. So, I will give this

to you. You'll have as much time as you

need to [music]

um to choose someone or to not choose

anyone. Whenever you're able to feel

that you have a [music]

I need somebody, I just ask that you

circle it in next

[music]

and then

like that. Perfect. Okay. There you go.

Okay. Cool.

>> Really,

>> this was like the final step that I

needed. This is legit. We've been able

to verify who he is now. Y

>> um

>> so the police put on this big

performance to make it look like they're

going to all this work to verify the

facts when in reality they already know

who I am. They already subpoenaed

Google. They already watched my [music]

entire first Lego video. They already

went through all my search history. To

me, this just feels like a stage

performance so they can show the world,

hey, look, we verified everything. when

if they would have just put an equal

amount of effort into watching the raw

footage I submitted to them, they would

have found out that Ammon's just

completely lying to them. But for some

reason, they didn't. A few weeks later,

when I ended up going to court, this was

the state's response.

>> My name is Nick Miel. I'm the

prosecutor. Is Benjamin Schneider here?

>> Yes.

>> If you want to take care of that today,

we could do what we call a plane

obeyance.

>> Were you able to see the footage I

submitted to the police of our

interaction?

I have not watched it. No.

>> Okay. Because in that footage, you can

clearly see that the second he tells us

to leave where we say, "Okay, we'll

leave." Um, and then he calls the police

and said that we threatened to burn down

the building and shoot everyone inside

and he was just making up all these lies

which you can clearly see in the footage

that we submitted. Not we were being

respectful the whole time. We left the

second he told us to.

>> Sorry, let me look. And so it makes

sense why the police would take me to

court because I mean he's threatening

that we're going to burn down the

building and shoot everyone. But we did

nothing like he's just saying that

because he's he's trying to I'm a

documentary maker so I'm making a

documentary on the thing. So his logic

is if he throws me in jail then I if he

makes up a reason for me to go to jail

then I won't be able to expose them for

their crimes. So, that's the uh what's

going it's it's it's clear as day in the

footage. Uh if you watch it,

it seems like they're just making up a

bunch of false information in order to

silence criticism.

>> But did you submit that to the uh police

officer?

>> Yes.

>> Does is the footage going such that it's

still going like when you step out the

door? [snorts] Uh, it starts from when

we're in the elevator before we talked

to him to when we were back in the

elevator going back down.

>> Obviously, a video doesn't necessarily

show everything that possibly happened.

>> So, according to the state of Utah, the

raw video that shows everything that

possibly could have happened is not

credible and could not have shown

everything that possibly could have

happened. And they didn't even watch it.

They're literally just taking Ammon's

word for everything and completely

ignoring all the evidence.

So, where does this leave me now? Not

only am I being charged with a bunch of

[music] mystery crimes in American Fork,

Utah, but I'm also being charged with a

seconddegree felony up to 15 years in

jail [music] in Provo, Utah. And now

that they have written proof that I'm

committing all of these insane crimes

against them. I mean, obviously Bricks

and Minigs just made up everything, but

that's not how the court sees it. The

court thinks that these are [music]

real, and for whatever reason, the court

wouldn't let me share my side. They only

heard [music] Bricks and Miniig's side.

Ben's side was not in the room, was not

heard. The court signed an order erasing

his [music] published work on the

strength of the company's verified

complaint and the company's motion with

no one [music] there to say a word

against it. Yeah. The judge granted a

temporary restraining order preventing

me from even talking [music] about

Bricks and Mini Figs, which sucks

because this was the night I hit 1

million subscribers and all my friends

threw a giant surprise party for [music]

me.

You don't know.

>> Yeah. Bricks and mini [music] figs gets

to just keep spreading their lies about

me and I just have to sit in silence and

there's nothing I [music] can do to stop

them.

It's crazy to think about how much

public support I was getting.

>> $200,000 Lego dispute [music] that's

turning into one of the craziest legal

cases and an internet crusade that is

just exploding.

>> A $200,000 Lego collection. This

$200,000 LEGO [music] scandal is

literally one of the craziest things

I've ever seen.

>> I think this might be the best video

that I've seen. This is one of the

crazier [music] stories I think I've

ever covered.

>> Legos reckless.

>> Reckless Ben.

>> It really seemed like the [music] entire

internet was uniting to stand up to this

bully of a company.

>> Bricks and Minifigs can stuff it.

>> Brick by brick.

>> Brick by brick. Brick by brick.

>> Brick by brick. It really did seem like

we were right about to get the Legos

back, but I was wrong. Now, [music] the

court has silenced me. And it looks like

all the work I put into this was just

for nothing.

>> [music]

>> However, people were pretty upset that I

was silenced and decided to protest by

it.

>> Sucks that I'm not even allowed to be a

part [music] of this movement anymore.

>> Or maybe I can [snorts] be here. I just

have to be in disguise so no one

recognizes me.

>> Hey, are you Rick Ben?

>> No.

>> Okay.

>> All right. I'm here with What was your

name?

>> I'm Jerome. Just here to support the

cause. Uh just a American fork local.

Just here to support here with Jerome.

>> I spent the rest of the day protesting

for the cause and not a single person

here recognized who I actually am. And

maybe the [music] protesting worked

because after a full month of remaining

silent, I finally have an announcement.

Well, it looks like I don't need this

disguise anymore because I have my

freedom of speech back, baby. I can say

whatever I want. I can say bricks and

[music] mini fig sucks. I can say first

amazing social hold people. And

>> look, I just said it and I'm not in

jail, which is sick. We got our first

amendment rights back.

>> Yeah.

>> And now that I have my freedom of speech

back, everyone is wondering how bricks

and mini figs can make up for the fact

that they made up all these lies about

me to take away my freedom of speech.

Most legal [music] experts are saying I

could easily win millions of dollars

from bricks and mini figs. But instead,

I have a better solution. If they want

to apologize, they can say that they're

sorry by doing the [music] chicken

dance. And I will take that as a sincere

form of apology. And uh once they do the

chicken dance, then I will know that

Bricks and Mini Figs is sorry and we can

finally uh move on to the next [music]

video series. It'll be awesome. So, you

guys might be thinking, why do you want

them to do the chicken dance? And

there's actually a reason. So, this

entire time, Bricks and Mini Figs always

says the right thing, but then their

actions don't match their words at all.

So, I was thinking, well, if they get

give an apology, they might say the

right things, you know, but they they're

not actually gonna mean it. So, by doing

the chicken dance, I'm going to

basically just be giving them another

opportunity to do the right thing, not

just with their words, but with their

actions. And once they decide to do the

right thing, then I'll move on to the

next video series and never talk about

bricks and mini figs again. And also,

make sure to check us out at www.we we

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we have two new Lego sets for sale that

you can buy right now. One of Joshua

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we're only making 500 of each. And once

all 500 of each sell out, we're never

making any more. And you got to buy them

now cuz someday they're going to sell

for like a million dollars or something.

There'll be collectibles. It's going to

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