CONSERVAÇÃO É MATEMÁTICA

Welcome to my office! The bar is open again! Today in Arroio do Meio, with who Camila? Richard Rasmussen! Ah, for these, we didn't even expect certain things that happen to us in life. Richard, thank you very much for being here with us today. We know that time has passed and your knowledge is very vast, so

Let's start. Just one quote before that, thanking our sponsors, that without them none of this would be possible. So, between us today, Tulipas Joias, from Passo Fundo, Bayer, the company Jato and Pioner, the last three with us from the beginning. That's it, Camila. So, to start, and we talk about preservation, what is the most threatened animal today here in Brazil?

I think it's the catfish, in the south. It's the most threatened feline in the world. In the world? If I'm not mistaken, our friend Fábio will be able to say that. It's a pity that he's not among us here. If I'm not mistaken, he is. But Richard, and... I mean, wait, I'll correct you. We have the extinct ones, right? We have the little one that is being reintroduced now. Blue?

which is the great proof of inefficiency. Let's start with the right foot. Let's get it. The state's inefficiency in managing our natural resources. You don't manage fauna with your heart. With reason. You do it with awareness. Exactly. It doesn't matter if I like it or not. Hunting is an example of this. I don't like hunting, but I'm a conservation biologist. I mean, I don't like hunting. I wouldn't practice hunting. "Oh, I have a weekend off."

What am I going to do? I don't know. I'm going to surf. I'm going to make love to my wife. But I don't like the action of hunting. But that doesn't mean that hunting...

it's not a management tool. And I, as a conservation biologist, I don't have the right to classify, and I can't, and this is happening today in our environmental bodies, classify what I like or don't like based on my liking or not liking. I have to be technical. I say this:

And for a long time, just saying the word "hunting" has become a pandemic. As I'm on a podcast called "Amigo", I know I'm not going to take fire, but I avoid talking about it on other podcasts. Why? Because the guy cuts it out, puts it there and says: "Richard is in favor." No, as a conservation biologist, I understand that it is an important tool.

And what most people don't understand is that they confuse the emotional act of taking a gun and shooting an animal, which is a... It's a brutal act. -Death is not easy. -No, never.

But we don't participate in it directly. When we eat Calabresa pizza, we don't know that there was a pig that paid for life to be in Calabresa pizza. The cheese, the mozzarella, someone took the milk from the cow to make cheese. There is no spontaneous generation.

It's surreal that we have to talk about such a subject, but we are in a phase that has to speak for itself. We have a marara that disappeared. I'm using the example of a large animal.

where we had a nature, a cativeiro and we released it from the cativeiro to reproduce with the nature one. It should be the opposite. In fact, it should be a long time before when we realized that this natural resource, this animal was disappearing from our forests, we should do something that we don't like, but we have to do it. You have to take, I don't know, ten pairs of macaws, put them in a breeding program

Exito, as we call it, beautiful, which is what? Reproduction in the captivity, behind bars. Watched. Watched, reproduce this animal and come back. We had to go to Germany and negotiate with the receiver of the traffic. Exactly. The guy who, because this animal is only ours, what are you doing in Germany? And the guy is reproducing this animal at -4 degrees of temperature. A catfish animal. So yes, it's not for amateurs. It was never. It was never. It was never.

So, this animal disappeared, now it's coming back. I don't know if they studied it. Because an animal disappears before you release it back. Because it's so beautiful, you open the cage and let the bird fly. We have avian flu, we have an animal that has gone through a series of pathogenies inside a set, a triage center, with a lot of diseases, because there were licked animals that are there. Then you think it's beautiful to open the cage and let it go to nature. It looks like a love act, but it's a terrorist act.

And responsible. Responsible. People don't understand that. They have a very superficial and emotional reading. The jaguar to catch an animal from the port and a boar can catch the small one. The big one doesn't catch. It can even if it doesn't work together. Even our smaller pigs, our cateto, our queixada, the jaguar doesn't catch. Why? It catches, but it catches the last one. Because the group works together. So...

And I recommend to people who have a heart to understand how nature works, there is an Instagram called Nature is Metal. Go and watch it a little bit to understand what an animal is in nature. There is no care and carelessness that exists when it is behind a fence that the human being takes care of.

You have animals that are living. You take a group of wild dogs, opening up... A group, they hunt, right? And opening up the animal and eating the animal alive. There is no love in nature. Nature is brute. There is a work...

And I don't want to say that we have to take the animals out of nature and put them behind four walls. But for people to understand that there is a scientific work of a guy called Mauricio Barbante. He is one of those good guys who is post doc.

He is responsible for the Pantanal deer management plan in Brazil. He is an international guy. Just look for his work on Nesp. Just Google it and you will see his work. We were talking today about his work. Is that right? Would it be the cortisol research? I thought it was brilliant. If you could tell us the story. Why did this guy do that? To say: "Poor parrot that is in captivity."

What is a crime? To take an animal from nature and put it in a captivity? Unless it's done by scientific means. There's a need for that. We need to preserve it. The painted jaguar is disappearing. I'm going to use it because I've been using it for a while.

I am part of some conservation groups and, recently, the painted jaguar from Caatinga, which is the same habitat where the blue arara disappeared, the arara from Sinopsis and Spixi, there was a work

Suggesting the removal, there must be between 100 and 200 individuals in the caatinga of painted jaguar here. There is a regionality, the Serrado jaguar is larger, the Amazon jaguar is smaller. Genetically, there is a difference. Genetically, there is a difference. It is the same species, but there is a difference of origin.

And then they wanted to take, if I'm not mistaken, the work was in 8 or 10 individuals, that is, 4 to 5 couples of these 100 to 200 individuals, for reproduction, to ensure the genetic success, which I should have done in the Blue Haze and no one did. And then we went there to do a blowjob, sorry.

to the German guy who was the receiver and said: "Sorry, we don't have the skills, you who trafficked, can you lend us some?" It's a national shame, Carlos. Anyway, and then the answer to this consultation was: "There are few in nature, are you trying to take them out?"

Yes, you idiot. Because there are few in nature. The question itself is the answer. Do you understand what I mean? Yes. So we are living in an environment where inefficiency, inefficiency and amateurism predominate.

And the love that saves, which I don't see saving anything, but the love... - And the sexism, right? - The sexism, no, it's... Because... - Because the little animals are in nature and they should stay in nature, do you agree? - They should. - But... - But in some cases we have to help. - Intervene. And that's why there is white rhinoceros still in South Africa. That's why there are several species, including... Then we go back to hunting.

Hunting... You don't like it, I don't like it. We're cowards. We eat the pita sausage. But we're aware that it came from an animal. Someone did the work for me. Someone did the work for me. That's humanitarian. What I think we need to have... I see in agribusiness... Let me go back to hunting. We'll talk about agribusiness later.

I don't think that the sport hunting will end with the boar. I agree with you. Although hunting is necessary, but it is not the style of hunting that is necessary. Because he doesn't want to end. He doesn't want to. He wants to hunt again. Yes, he wants to. And what does he do? Does he let the milk cattle go?

and he kills the cachaça. He hangs on the wall, eats the cachaça, the meat, and he leaves the female with the prolix, the milk and the cattle. But you know that in the farm, Richard, in our region it became a problem. Yours is coming now, right? It's coming now, but it already exists. Now it was suspended hunting, then it came back, I don't know how it is. I don't know how it is, but when it was open, I had a management group, in which I called them,

They have a lot of documents. From weapons, from dogs, vaccines, transportation of animals. It's a lot. Expensive transportation. Wow! GPS for dogs, so they don't lose expensive animals.

And there was no fight, it was this management, the idea of eliminating. And there are dozens. No, it's a horror. And it really helped to decrease. But it became a plague in such a way that I don't know if you can eliminate it. I know that some hunter groups even write to me: "Richard, it's not like that, my group we go out and kill everything." I say: "Yes, but it's not the vast majority."

Most people who like to do their hobby at the weekend, unfortunately, don't. It's the pleasure of the planet. The sports hunter is a conservationist. People say: "What? How?" Yes, he is a conservationist. As he chooses who he will beat. That alone makes him a conservationist. He chooses who he will beat.

In the case of the Jaualeke, which has to be an eradication hunt, what would I do? Me, Richard Moussa. If I had this power. I would take this army group,

with this old ammunition, we're not doing shit anymore. Let's train! Let's do something with life. Let's train! We're not doing shit anymore! Stop cleaning the village, let's do what? Let's at least prepare our army to shoot, use this ammunition that is getting old, train this gang, right? Anyway, it's a military operation. And eradicate a plague, right? And eradicate, at the same time, make a public service for our country.

People think: "Poor animal, but here in our region he is a European Javalier, right? He couldn't be here." I interviewed, in my extinct eco-cast, with my partner Leandro Silveira, a guy who is... Adorable. Adorable. From the 11th Institute. What we learn from him. Another guy that we got involved with...

He ran away from Maruís Barbante. Let's go back to him. There's a lot to talk about. In a short time, we saw the deputy Isar, who is an animalist. At a certain moment, he was on air, so I can talk about it, he's there, in our ECOCAST. I asked him, "Is it possible for the guy to take a gun?" Where is the focus of the discussion? In the guy taking a gun and shooting an animal.

That's it. The main focus was on the brutality of the action. Not looking at the result of what we were talking about, which was more important. So I said: "Okay, Congressman, forget about the hunters. Do you agree with me that it's an animal, because it's in the law, animals are exogenous in our fauna. Between us, dog and cat are also exogenous, okay?" -Don't comment. -You can't even say it, because then it will enter the fauna in general.

They took the dogs and cats from the National Parks, like they did in Fernando de Noronha, a wonderful NGO of two beautiful girls that exist on the internet. They took them, and they have millions of followers, they raised millions of reais, they took the cats, they hunted them and returned them to the National Park.

"Damn, these cats will kill the only one in 13 years, the little lizard that came, and only the one that came..." Anyway, cats kill everything. The second reason for biodiversity loss are our cats. Ladies and gentlemen, you leave your cat out of the house. It's a crime, it's criminal. But nobody talks about it because "poor little cat", yes, poor little cat, he should be arrested and you didn't do your job.

- Where was I? - At Leandro Silveira and Maurício. I said to him: "Forget hunting, what other way do we have?" "We have the roaches." "Great, let's go this way." Roach, boom! - Now all these... - What do you do? I wanted to get out of his mouth what was necessary to be said. It was hard. He said: "It's there." I'm saying it because it's there in our ECOCAST.

He said: "So, are they all arrested? And now what do we do?" "Let's take them to an island, I swear to God..." To an island? Destroy... I have many ideas that we agree on, but... Illumination. I looked at him and I looked at Leandro. I looked at Leandro first, like: "This shouldn't be serious." -It must be serious. -It must be serious. But why? I understand Isar.

Zara was trying to please the people who voted for him. "What the hell are you thinking? Take an island and take the fucking Queixada!" "You're wrong!" And in the end he said: "How come? An island? You're taking it to an island that has a fauna? Wow, you're taking it to an island?" "You're going to end this fauna." And he said: "Yeah, we have to kill it."

That was the cut I needed. You have to do it. You have to kill the Queixada. Do you know the story of the hippopotamus? The hippopotamus of the trafficker? Of Pablo Escobar. To not kill the first ones, now it is very dangerous to enter a river in Colombia. No, he was with all the local fauna. Colombia is a biodiverse country like ours. And now he's there, taking the hippopotamus.

Poor thing is living here in captivity. To put him in captivity, is a crime. In my opinion, it should be unlawful. -I agree. -It's not. It's a crime. Today, the guy kills a painted monster, pays 5 million reais and goes home. -What do you mean? -He already paid the 5 million. They killed Sucuri recently, in Bonito. Sucuri that the whole world came to photograph and record. They killed Sucuri. A guy like that has to be in jail for the rest of his life.

Ok, it doesn't work like that. Then Barbante, who works with the Pantanal Servo, he's a scientist, he started to realize that he takes a group of Pantanal Servo, reproduces, repolvores, does scientific work, reintroductions, and so on. He started to notice in the Pantanal Servo that he takes an example, for example, they live in bays, a type of horse, then he opens it, releases the animal to get a little

in a stick to enjoy life. After a while, the brain starts to get bothered. The flies are biting.

He's thirsty, hungry. Where does he go? He goes back to his own place. He goes back to his own cellar. Why? Because there he knows where the water is, where the food is. There he is in a quiet, cool, quiet, protected from the sun. He loves that place. He's used to it. Why? Because nature is much more cruel. Some people say: "Nature is beautiful, of course it's wonderful, but it has to be nature."

This sentimentalism of saying: "Poor animal that is living..." If you give the conditions to that animal, can it live happily? I don't know. This can be an achism. What is cortisol? - It's the stress hormone. - The stress hormone. What is it connected to? Happiness. Just look at us. The less stress, the happier we are. The more stress, the more miserable our life is. - More cortisol. - More cortisol.

Then he took four groups of parrots. The parrots of nature. Loose. He took the poop, where they lay here, he took the poop together and evaluated the cortisol. He took a group of parrots of brambles, which are triage centers, where parrots come there fucked up and such, he took the poop and evaluated it. Of smuggling? Of smuggling, lashed, wounded, ripped, scammed, anyway.

Then he took the zoologists and the creators and the grandmother's parrot. The son of a bitch. The son of a bitch! The unmarried! Coffee! I'll leave you... The boss of the house. What do you believe was the greatest cortisol index? The greatest stress and the least stress? The grandmother's parrot was the most calm of all. The grandmother's parrot spent the day having fun and making demands. He's the boss of that shit.

He controls the water, the food, and when he doesn't like someone, he closes his pupils, he curses the guy, he spits on the guy. He is the one who controls the circus. "Oh, so we should take the animals out of nature?" No, for God's sake, that's tiring. No, of course not. I'm just saying the scientific fact that comfort, when well managed, the comfort of this environment... We have a dream, you know?

It's funny, it's like with the indigenous people. The indigenous with a cell phone is absurd. It's Indian, they have cell phones. -Why? We? -We do. We want them to live in an aquarium, right? They have to stay naked in the middle of the forest and I'm here in a nice air-conditioned room judging what they should have. You don't ask him. Go and ask the Indian. I challenge the trick. Ask the Indian what the Indian wants.

Isn't he the one who should decide what he wants with his life? - For sure. - The Indian wants dignity, dad. Like all of us. He wants his phone, he wants to put his kid in school, he wants education, he wants to progress. He wants to drink ice cream, bro. - He wants money. - Who are we to dictate the rules? - Of what he can and what he can't. - Of what he should be or not. Ask the Indian. Isn't he the one who has to choose what he wants? Isn't his land? Ask him what he wants to do with his land.

And that fantastic life in nature, what is the age of death of an average Indian? It is much lower than ours. Just like a loose animal. The cat itself, the cat's plague or the dog. The street dog will live 5, 6 years. The house dog 17 years. And just like the Javali, there is now in our region

I don't know if it's a deer or a deer. It's beautiful. Axis. We've seen it in our region of Passo Fundo. Getúlio Vargas. A friend of mine has seen it. It's much bigger than ours. It's very beautiful. But it's not from here. It's like the scorpion fish. From the Pacific Indian. It's here in Ubatuba.

It's a wonderful fish. It has no predators, it eats everything. It lives in the corals, it kills everything there is. It's a fish that should be there and not here. Why did you end up with the javali? Why the damage it does? People sometimes don't know that. First, I think they are few, not few. People like to watch videos. Why don't you Google and watch javali?

...and they were beating sheep. There's a video on the internet of the Javali going on horseback, on oxen, destroying plants. But I think that people started to talk about Javali. Of course, there's that group that we'll never convince because they live in a world...

It's the guy who goes to Augusta to eat an organic apple for 10 reais, earns money on the internet and he thinks that apple solved the problem. He forgets that he has a cell phone, electricity. Only our energy matrix today, people say it leaves little waste. In fact, it doesn't. But for you to have... But it always has an impact. Are you kidding? You have to flood a natural area. Where are the animals?

What is the protected area of the rivers? How many meters do you have to leave your river? Depending on the width of the river. From 100 to 300 meters minimum. This area will be flooded and all the animals that are there will die. We took a part of the river and made a fauna rescue.

No one saw a fauna rescue. Look at what a fauna rescue is. It's monkeys with snakes, with jaguatirica in a tree, everyone putting it in boxes. Then they catch these animals, extremely traumatized by the situation, and they put them in an area that is in balance. Where the jaguatirica lives, the monkey lives, but it's already in balance. Because it's nature. There are resources, there are things. Because of this imbalance? The three of us have to fight for this now.

If we put two more here, it will be bad. Someone here will take a beating. Because this food is only for the three of us. It's so simple to understand. Conservation is mathematics. It's pure mathematics. It's numbers. And within conservation, there is a very big fight against agribusiness.

- Do you agree? - Yes, I do. - And your... - Especially promoted by science. - That's sad. - Yes. And you going to the field, going to the field a lot. That's what I find interesting. I tell many friends, acquaintances, go to the field.

How is the conservation in agribusiness? People look and don't see. When you go out of Passo Fundo, what do you see? You see a field, but it was never the Amazon. Let's remember that. You see a field, then a forest, a field, then a forest, a field, then a forest. That's the game. But, nevertheless, you're in Rio Grande do Sul and accusing that the farmer is deforestationist. But the forest is there, that's how you go out of Passo Fundo. In Pampas, for example, here, there was never a forest. There was never an Amazon. There are some little forests there, between Cochilha. But coming back, how do you see?

agribusiness in relation to fauna. First of all, we are living a world-wide conversation. Let's take advantage of our esteemed Macron's visit here. When his country puts an electric car to charge, where is he charging it? Coal, gas. Wait, let me understand. I have an electric car, I have to charge it in an energy matrix.

Then I burn the coal to charge my electric car. I'm being ecological. -You're being ecological. -And the battery? -And the battery? -I need to draw that. -You need to draw that. -I need to draw that. -You need to draw that. -I need to. -So... -Unfortunately. -What the fuck? We're completely crazy. We're insane. We can't... It's so obvious that it doesn't make sense to be ecological using an energy matrix. And it's like this.

When the European government opens its shoes, which has been saying the same thing for a long time, and they start to get upset because they see that a country like ours is thriving because we still have 50% of the natural areas, and because of the work of EMBRAPA itself, we have 60%.

from the natural areas, even though some of them are in the private areas, because you have legal reserves. You have legal reserves. Not even in the country of the world you buy a table and you can't use a piece of that table. In any country of the world you have that. Not even in any country of the world. I'm kidding. Find a country to send us. Please, comment here. Find a country where you buy a land, 100% and you can't use a piece of it. I don't think that's wrong.

Our environmental law is top. I will tell you that we, as farmers, I also do not think wrong. After all, for me it is a source of pride to know that a quarter of my area is preserved and I really like to see the fauna, see the flora circulating there and returning there. But that can't be a bonus. The next step that has to happen at this moment is the guys who have this

The farmer who keeps a part of the land, 20, 40, 80% of the Amazon, depending on the biome,

The next phase of the game should be... Ok, you are producing with excellence, with technology, with quality, in smaller spaces, producing more. It was a saffron, it became two, in some places in Brazil it's three saffron. We managed to produce meat today in a place... We have places that were born to produce meat. The south of Brazil was born to produce meat. The best way to preserve and preserve the local fauna is by keeping oxen.

Pantanal became, when I was recording, the "Boi Bombeiro". They made a cow with a extinguisher, pouring water. These idiots, some idiot. And they started talking about the "Boi Bombeiro". "Hahaha, the "Boi Bombeiro". It's there, that's why it catches fire. Do you know why it didn't catch fire before? Because it had green mass and not dry mass. Let me explain how Pantanal works. We have 6 months of water and 6 months of drought. In those 6 months, the water rises, creates a whole vegetation on top. Wonderful.

When the water is low, it dries up. There's no more water. Then what happens? The ox eats. Now there's no more ox to eat. So what happens? Dry mass. Material. Fuel. Fuel. If you spit it, it catches fire. It's our savanna, right? Seasonal. So what saved during... Why didn't we have these things of great fires in the Pantanal? Why? Because the local knowledge, who lived there, knew how to work the fire. Today,

I like to talk because I'm in a place where I talk, because I record and I'm with people. I was with Ibama, with Prev Fogo, and they were setting fire.

"Oh my God, your Ibama is setting fire!" What for? Using fire to fight fire! That's an old technique. So, these narratives... If you're not in your place of speech, don't miss the opportunity to learn to stay quiet and understand how it works.

There are bad farmers, yes, as there are bad politicians, in fact, there are many bad politicians, but there are bad politicians, bad biologists, bad scientists, there are...

The interest. The worse, the better. Why? Because the worse I show that there is a situation, the more resources will come to study a situation. We have to understand that the world we live in is about interests. We have to understand that not everything is angelic and love does not save anything. I'm in my seventh marriage, if love saved anything, I was married to the first one. It's not love that saves. It's pragmatism, science, knowledge.

Today, we take a school book, a child opens a school book and sees the figure of a guy with a bruise and he is the guy who is the killer.

And the relevance, right? When Brazil gains relevance, Europe loses relevance, becoming the path of irrelevance in the market. Imagine that in a school in France they would put a guy like that. Never! But never! He is the basis of society, dad. But many people win when we lose our relevance. The good cheese or champagne you drink, where did it come from? It wasn't God who threw it up there. I told you before, in off here, that my son came home,

asking why I was polluting. And that was the idea of the podcast I invited Camila to. My father is part of the problem. You understand? Exactly. When he told me, I was shocked. I tell a lot of people, come to practice, come see how it is. And within practice, what we see is that within my property, Camila's property, the fauna is increasing. What is the size of the area?

I plant 600 hectares in the Pontão area. Now imagine you take 600 hectares. Let's consider that this table here is your area, 600 hectares. And what I always say, and people... Because you can't be romantic all the time. At some point you will fall off the horse, the romanticism.

You love people, animals and nature. These three don't work. I have this area here, it's 600 hectares. You have a piece of it, which is the legal reserve. No, it's 600 hectares that we plant and then the legal reserve. Perfect. So let's say there's a complete area here with a piece that's here. So let's imagine here, what do you plant? Soy, corn in the summer, wheat in the winter.

I made the Compostela Trail. -How cool! -It's beautiful, wonderful. I walked through Spain for 25 days. Going up and down.

How many kilometers per day? 13 to 15 kilometers per day. No, 13 to 30 kilometers per day. Depending on how much you want to be less inclined. Ask how many wild animals I saw. Not one. I guarantee. One. What would an animal be? A salamander. Wow. Beautiful, wonderful. No, but it's very few. But anyway, one. You know why? Because the areas

-Dense and populated? -Dense and populated. Beautiful. -And small production areas. -The dream of the summer night, that all... I see these comments, "Oh, this is latifundio, this is..." Man, where... So I went there, I walked. What did I see? Just one animal, 25 days. Then I saw, father and mother working together. Small lands, one next to the other. Small, small properties. Producing in the most heart-like way possible.

When you take an area like this and pick it up in several properties, socially you are doing a beautiful thing. But? You have in this area, let's say we pick it up in 20 properties, you have 20 cats, 20 dogs, 20 weapons, 20 families living. No wild life will prosper here. There is no way. It will enter into conflict and die. Period. That's why I didn't see anything. Now, I'm here in a soy field,

I see ema. Every day. I see ema, I see tatu. I see the fauna there. You know why?

Because nobody lives in that fucking place, only the plantation. -Hemorrhage was something that decreased. -What? -For you. -I think it's because of the wild boar. -Oh, the wild boar. -I'm there. -But not because of human action. So, what happens? You have a jaguar in the middle of the canary, you have a jaguar in the middle of the soy, you've already found a jaguar's cub in the middle of the soy. Why? Because our old concept of what is a...

An ecological corridor. When I was in college, what was an ecological corridor? We have to plant trees so that they can connect fragments of the forest or conservation areas or even legal reserves. The animal is shitting for that. Do you know what the animal needs? No people. Peace. It can be a road. Is there people there? No. It's an ecological corridor.

This thing of allying the issue of the forest, I'm not saying again that there shouldn't be forests, for God's sake. The legal reserve has to be there, of course it will increase. It's a refuge for the wild life, but I'm trying to say that when an animal leaves one area for another, when it crosses a soy field, it doesn't find anyone.

And I'm not saying that. My older brother, Leandro Silveira, did a work with 400 cameras trapping inside an area called Emas National Park. It's a fragment that has a mosaic of soy, cane and... What the fuck? There's no cattle, it's just agriculture. Where is the jaguar?

- Where is it? - Where is it? - Where is it? - Where is it? - City. No, it's in the National Park. The smallest occurrence of the painted bear is in the National Park. Why?

What's the main food of the Onça Pintada? Queixada. And where is Queixada? In the farm? Eating vermes inside the National Park? No. It's in the farm. Eating the corn. It's there, in large groups. Onça Pintada, who is not stupid, said: "I'm going to stay here." So the guys are there: "I'm going to stay here?" "Acu na matata?" "No, I'm going there."

And it's already. And it's already. It's the fight for survival. In some places, the cateto is already becoming a problem. It's good that you brought it up. If it's a problem to explain the boar, imagine talking about cateto. Cateto and queixada are animal species that are threatened in Brazil.

Brazil is a vertical country. It's the only country that is vertical. All the big nations are horizontal. Australia is here, but everything is here. We are like this. We have two hemispheres. When you go to the south, the quixote is extinct. When you go to the southeast, it is actually threatened. And when you go to the center-west, it's a plague.

I'm sorry, it's a plague. The capacity of the load doesn't support the quantity. So what does a country like the United States do? It opens a season of hunting. Controls. Oh, what a horror, hunting. I also think, I'm not going, I don't count on me to go hunting. I'm going to do something else in my life. But there are hunters who go there. And they go there to do the work and kill a part. And what are we going to do with that meat? In communities in Africa, including WWF, the pandinha,

The WWF supports the hunting. You can google it. Zimbabwe. WWF, hunting. Why? Because the local meat goes to the local people. The guy doesn't kill local fauna anymore. Why? Because he knows it's worth money. Because there are a lot of people with a lot of money for that.

I think hunting is depressing, yes. But in real life, the production is so far away. I think there are certain things that I think are normal, I'm not keen on doing it.

I'm heterosexual, for example, but I support homosexuality. Totally. I even made a doll in my house, with all the colorful things, rainbow. I think it's great. I have homosexual friends, I don't know what. But does that mean I have to be homosexual? No, no. Respect. I have to respect, man. You have to understand that, man. It's the same relationship, it's the same thing. So, supporting the hunt doesn't mean you're going to exercise the hunt. It means you understand that it is

a tool in the sport hunting for handling. So you're defending the hunt that we don't know what. Then it starts to be labeled. So Rich was a monster. So I don't know what, because he supports this. And it's very difficult for us to talk about it because you immediately enter the culture of cancellation that there is no cancellation. Why? Because I'm already canceled.

-I'm already canceled. -And we're not afraid of being canceled. -Are you an agricultural farmer? -Yes. -You're already canceled. -We're not afraid of being canceled. For whom? For those who are outside your bubble. Those who are outside your bubble understand what you're doing. So, our biggest challenge

is to speak out of the bubble. - To talk about real life. - To talk about real life. That's the big challenge. When I was part of Fofolandia, I arrived in Australia to learn to speak English and I was very, very shocked the day I left a park where kangaroos basically stayed there, domestic life, we fed them, we waved hands and you left there and went to a souvenir shop where they sold kangaroo meat.

I was very shocked. But I went to inform myself. Because it's so cute. What's going on? No, in several parts of Australia, the kangaroo is a plague. There are many. So we hunt, eat, respect all the animals. If it were in a natural condition, without the presence of the year ... No, not the year. Of the man. Of the man.

They would be at a point of equilibrium. Why? Because the predator of the kangaroo, where is it? The big problem are the big predators. That's why the big predators are the first to disappear. Then the hunt becomes abundant. This is a question I wanted to ask. Going back to the brown jaguar of our region, which reappeared. If it reappears, does it show a better environment than it did years ago?

It means that there is a better conscience in my opinion. People started to worry and they are not killing. They started to understand or absorb their losses. The largest farm in the world is called the "Farm of the Rooster" in Brazil. In Brazil it is the largest, in the world it is the largest. They lose 1200 heads a year for a painted bear.

And they are part of it. And do you know why they can be stoned? Because they are big. Because if they were small and lost one head, the jaguar would go to hell. The big problem is not the big one, it's the small one. And that's why we go back to the social thing. Never the social will hit the environmental. Never. Those who can absorb big losses are big enterprises, not small creators. The guy who has 20, 30 cows, lost one, he kills the jaguar. It costs little to kill the jaguar.

But for them, if they lose one, it's 10% of their business. Exactly. So, that's exactly it. That's why the environmental will never hit the social. I think it's a bit of an illusory concept. A few years ago, I did a study about the export of halal food, which is for the Muslim culture and such, and they follow several food rules.

And then, to be able to be a supplier of anything that means that it is approved by the Islamic consumption norm, you have to not have the pig's carcass.

no ingredient. Then I started to come across issues like this: obviously shampoo, nail polish, paint for wall, civil construction uses animal carcass. So for you to really be a vegan, vegetarian all right, but now vegan to find that you really are not using any animal food. There is no problem in being vegan, but let me know how I want.

What does it mean for vegans? It's illusory. It's illusory. It's like being a cashier. You can offer food to the Jews. You can't have a grill, you can't have a pork. They eat the front part of the ox. There's a lot of care. The milk, the kitchen, the dairy, is it different from the kitchen?

The problem is that we have a special dissemination of the artistic class that doesn't live this reality. For example, what platforms do we have here? - Several. YouTube, Spotify, Instagram. - Instagram. Who owns Facebook, Instagram and Whatsapp? What's the name? Zuckerberg.

He creates Wagyu with almonds and beer. We're going to eat insects, dad. But his gang will eat Wagyu. This gang is so ridiculous. Sometimes I tell my wife, she keeps looking at these artists. I say, "Let me tell you something, put this Sando Carlinhos Maia, love, who is a sweet person.

These guys don't live their lives. They sell you a life that you're buying. They don't live that life, dad. You're a fool. You're a man of maneuver. A fool who's supporting an artist who doesn't live that life. He has a private jet and he's saying: "We have to do..." Then sell your plane, man. He wants you to do it. He doesn't want him to do it. It's a whole political movement

If all the money in the world were put today exclusively in the cauldron of what we call today the climate mitigatory actions,

It wouldn't change anything. And I want you to record this. It's a pity that in 20 years I'll be charged for what I'm saying. But people can't see how money circulates. Money circulates when you get a verb to put in Amazonia by your NGO. Money circulates when you enter an airline website.

and they offer you to pay 100 dollars more, 100 reais more to compensate your carbon emission, you're making money. Then he will plant a pedi-eucalyptus and tell you that he compensated your carbon emission and will reimburse you 99 dollars. That's how money is made. The cow's nipple, first of all, what is the nipple? It starts with the "ah roto". It's a lack of consistency in your knowledge. The nipple is the "ah roto".

3% is the most. Just google it to understand what causes the carbon emission. You'll see where the ox's list is. It's down here. It's small. It has a clear contribution. But it's extremely combative, right?

But it seems to be the first item. If you go to see the steel production, for your car, for your construction, for your housing. For this shit here, that leaves you blind, leaves you with tendinitis and leaves you addicted. It ends families, it ends everything that is good. And this disgrace here, what goes in here? "Oh, but I'm eating now, I'm vegan, I'm eating organic butter, I'm saving the planet." No.

It's a baby. You don't even know what an organic mass is. You don't even know what the process of growing an organic is. You don't even know how a plant is born. You don't even know how to... Let me tell you something I found out in agribusiness. Because I'm in my place of speech. Because I have lived... I don't live from agribusiness. So I can say: "You live, I don't know if you're... We live, we live too. You live. I don't live from agribusiness.

I live as I consume agribusiness, otherwise I would be dead. Luckily someone plants and grows, otherwise I would be fucked. So, the guy who grows, the animal welfare,

Even if the guy is not a fan of... a contributor of the wild animal welfare, even if he is not a contributor to that, he understands that the producer who is well-being animal gives him something, money.

For sure. He doesn't need to be in the "loving and restricted" wave. He just needs to understand what happens when you treat a pig well. He gets more fat. What happens when you take care of a milking cow? She gives more milk. Animal welfare is directly related to the production. Even if he doesn't have his own philosophy, doesn't participate in his groups of friends, and is part of his cows, he understood

that animal welfare is directly related to productivity and productivity is related to money. So, that's what we've observed. So, the animal is well taken care of today, not because it's a trend, it's because it's a business. It's a good business to take good care of animals, right? - For sure. - That's it. I agree. Gender, number and degree. Even if...

The idea is that if the whales were privatized, they wouldn't end up. It's the same thing with mass production. If you give it an economic function, if you put it inside an economic system, it won't be missing. Why will a ox never be extinct?

We also create. Because there is demand. There is demand, but the whale was widely hunted. But what is the problem from my point of view? You can't, at the moment that you have 8 billion people on the planet, you decide what you are going to eat from nature. You have to produce what you are going to eat. Is that basic? Camila experimented with the cricket these days.

I've tried it, I've dared to say it. You will never have your niche. And agriculture will be there to provide. For the person who is looking for high protein levels, you will have your niche. Now the appeal of a fat rib, like the one we just ate, will never have. It depends on how you pack it. Because we are very visual.

Macrobras!

Coming back, I would like to thank the Celeste house that is welcoming us here today. And the sympathy of the staff is impeccable. The serres that this table provided us, right Camila? We love that it was used again and that it already did some episodes that did not due to the displacements and difficult to take.

And our supporters, Agrocerati, Prodo Técnica, Produza, Passo Fundo, Maral e Casca, Copert and Ceifar. And Prodo Técnica, did you say? Prodo Técnica, I said. So it's good, thank you guys, thank you very much. Richard, I was talking about the whale, I questioned this because I ask, octopus, lobster, do they have a creation? No.

We played with whales, we won't create whales. But it was an example, just to say that conservation, if you create it, you multiply it. No, there is no. The octopus is just extraction. What else did you ask? Octopus, lobster, other animals in that sense. We started to create several aquatic organisms of fresh water, we already create a lot of things, practically everything, I don't know,

Piraíba, Pirarara, Jaú, Pintado, Cachara, Pacu, Tambaqui, Pirarucu, you create everything. Can you create lobster or is there a law that doesn't allow it? This is one of those things. For example, we don't create mackerel. We don't create mackerel because it doesn't have food efficiency. It doesn't have scale.

But we forget about another market. For example, something curious in Brazil. My wife is a manawara. I'm an aquarist. I started my life as a biologist when I was a child with aquariums. And it's hard work. And many things. But you have to understand ecology. Because you have to build a system so that the fish fits. In terms of landscapes.

That's something we do for ourselves, not for the fish. The fish is shitting if you put a... Ornament or not. That's the kind of thing. But I understand that it's for our eyes. But you have to have an environment that has a convergence with that species that is there. You have to understand physics, chemistry, biology. Aquarium is a class.

for children. And we... Aquarism disappeared a lot. When I was a child, all my friends had an aquarium. Today it's getting harder to find children who like aquariums. And I wanted to have a responsibility. You have to feed an animal. You have to clean. You have to understand all the physiochemical functions. Anyway, the aquarium is wonderful. But...

I want to put a Brazilian species, the aruanã, an Amazonian species. I can't. Today we import aruanã from other countries that are creating our own aruanã. Is this like the story of the blue ararinha? Yes. That we looked for in Germany? More or less. While you go to the Amazon and you see an aruanã of this size being sold per kilo as a food resource,

How much is the Aronã? 20 reais? How much is the Aronã kilo? The water monkey? 20 to 30 reais. Lúcia, Richard's wife, is here with us today too. Half a pack. Half a pack, 20 to 30 reais. Do you know how much an Aronã costs? As she said, this size? In a live aquarium? 3 thousand reais. Wow! 2 to 3 thousand reais.

So, in this logic, I would take... Do you understand what I mean? Look at the chain. Ribeirinho would earn more money... -The whole chain... -Buy the aquarium, buy the food... For an animal. No, and the fish is that size, it's not any aquarium. The food, the aquarium... You would have a whole chain of jobs. -Of jobs, of money circulating... -It's complicated. It's so hard, guys. Money touching hands, right, Lucy?

And it's not a waste, because they don't sell fresh fish, it's all gone. So, a single arowana. And we don't create, we have difficulty creating a capture quota now. The line is the same thing, capture quota is prohibited, it's not allowed, for example. There is no security.

in any activity in Brazil, in that sense. There is no security. In Brazil there is no legal security for you. There is a law, a retroactive one. So what you are doing today is in line with the law, but then sometimes there is a retroactive law that when you see you are out of the law... But you can't, the law can't retroact. If you acted according to the law... But here in Brazil, in Brazil it retroacts. So what is this? A country in legal security. Then the guy will want to undertake in a country like this? It's hard. It's hard. You...

Today we have a trade of wild animals that are no longer wild. From the moment the animal is removed from nature, it will not return. And we have demand all over the world for wild animals. Trafficked. Along with weapons, drugs. It is one of the three great illegal international trade.

Why not create and offer a legal animal? Respecting rules. Licensing, rules of transport, creation, well-being, genetic bank, species perpetuation.

Zoologists, which are very important in entrepreneurship, what kind of fauna do you have today? I can forget some, but the main ones. Zoologist, commercial creator, conservationist, fauna keeper, I think they are the main ones you have today. The only one that is forced to reproduce

It's the zoo. No, it's the commercial creator. Commercial, because he doesn't sell. His goal is to sell. So if he doesn't produce, he doesn't earn. Oh my God, hashtag, lives are not lives, animals are not... Of course animals are not things. Obviously, but they are not people.

And there is an illegal trade that will not stop. It will continue forever. -While there is demand. -What do we have to do? There is demand. We have to make an offer. Of legal animals. You even lower the price, which makes it a lack of stimulus for the trafficker. If it's not worth much, why would he do it? And let the trafficker die in the hands of the trafficker. I tell people not to buy even for pity. Let the trafficker die in the hands of the trafficker.

Let's go. I had this fight once. People won't understand this reasoning. Like the hippopotamus in Colombia. To not kill the first two, they'll have to kill 2,000. Not only that. How many other animals died because of the hippopotamus? Local animals in Colombia. Is it the same reasoning? It doesn't make sense. You're protecting one species and destroying another. There's no perfect world. You have to choose where you're going.

I saw a lot of biologists buying legalized snakes and going to schools to educate the environment. It's not cool. With your property, you have a tax rate.

Everything is correct. You have a tax return, it's your property, it's not a thing, but it's a well being property. It's not just your property, it imputes you a responsibility. Yes, you have to take care of it, give it well being. Then the guy goes there, what's wrong with this guy going there, giving an environmental education class, getting his change with an animal that he legally acquired. And that he takes good care of. This animal is no longer wild, it was born inside a

It was born in an exito environment, it was born outside the natural environment, it doesn't even know what's growing. If you take this whole room and release a snake here, you can come and it will be in that corner for a whole week. It's not that it's going to be here, flying, flying, this space here.

It's the nature of the animal. It's a "sit and wait" creature. It's a opportunistic predator. It sits in the same place waiting for the rat to pass. It doesn't spend energy. It's a jaguar that does that. It's not a reptile. It's a cold-blooded creature. It can't spend energy.

And my discussion was why they started to fill the bag with these bioles, they started to say that this cannot be done, you cannot take the animal because it is no longer wild. It is a pet.

It is an animal of estimation, so much so that in the CONAMO law itself, Article 3 of Law 485, if I'm not mistaken, of Resolution 485 of 2018, in Article 3 it is there: "animal of estimation", two points, exotic animal that is out of the fauna or wild, which is our fauna, acquired in licensed enterprise. So this is a pet. Can I walk with my dog?

Can I walk? Of course. And why can't I walk with my snake? Because of the snake myth. Do you know the snake myth? No, but I don't think it's because of the myth. It's because it's a wild animal. The dog was a wolf one day and was domesticated. So why can't I walk with my snake?

"Oh, why?" It was something that nobody said was allowed, but they were getting on their feet. I said, "Okay." I went to our biggest organ in Brasilia. I said, "I bought a snake. I want to eat it. Can I?" She said, "Why would you do that?" I said, "Because I'm crazy. Fuck it." -What was her answer? -I said, "I can."

- Legally, yes. - Legally, yes. But not with a cruel retort. I said: "I want to know if I can legally kill him." I bought a snake, paid three bucks for it. Can I eat it? Yes. - Why can't I walk with it? - You can kill it. Why can't I walk with it? - It's two-weight, two measures. - It doesn't make sense. That's when we start to realize that... That's when we start to get involved

It was emotional. You don't have to find anything. You have to do what's in the law. You're paid for it. By the way, who pays their salary? We pay. So, you're not there. "But I have my preference." When you're at home, sitting and watching TV, you can talk to your wife, your son, whatever you think. But when you're there with a badge,

-In the chest? -You have obligations. You have obligations with the legal relationship of the exercise of your profession, which you were contested. Period. It's not there. You don't have to judge. You don't have to judge what you think. You have to work. What is the law? Is it mine or not? Is it my property? Yes. So, okay. So I want to walk with her. I want to go out with her, on the neck. I think it's fun, I think it's cool, I don't know what. So this legal insecurity

And this amateurism with our fauna, with our supposed fauna protection, is what leads us to these mismanages, this insecurity that we are in, you know? Because today, whoever has the pen in hand, has their heart in the other, and they can't.

You have to follow the law. Science and the law. There is a law for that. Understanding that your pet is not part of nature. So the feelings you nurture by your pet was a choice. Now nature works in a completely distant way from your pet.

We need clear laws. We can't go to these gray areas that depend on someone's interpretation. When the law came out, I always brought all my equipment under the cloth. Tell the truth. Why? Because it's very expensive and it doesn't make sense in Brazil. Who produces in Brazil? It's only JVC, all Japanese companies.

Why do I have to pay double the equipment? What will happen? I will have less audiovisual production in Brazil because it costs double because of taxes. Who is winning? Three companies with four black people who work as importers. Who is winning are these guys. It's not that it's a product that has an equivalent in Brazil. It doesn't have an equivalent. It doesn't make cameras in Brazil. Why do you have to

200% of taxes. It doesn't make sense. Take out the taxes and let the cards... The companies will grow, there will be more audiovisual professionals, the company will grow, more producers will grow. I felt that in my skin. I'm always hidden. Always. I'll do it my way. Always.

"Now the camera is allowed, you can bring it." Camera is a law. Who makes the law? Someone who doesn't understand camera. I went outside with the greatest happiness. I said: "Now I'm going to bring it." For the first time in my life, I bought a Canon 2D, put a TV on it, came beautiful, I passed to declare. I said: "I want to declare my camera." I said: "No, feel free." He said: "Okay." I said: "What camera is it?"

I asked him what he did with the lens. He said it was a shitty camera, so I left it there. He said the lens was not part of the equipment. I asked him why. He said it was a crappy lens, so I left it there. I bought a proper lens. The equipment is body and lens. I took the lens out and gave him the body. I asked him to take a picture. He said he needed the lens. I said it was a camera. He said it was body and lens.

I said: "You can't tag me with the lens". He wanted to tag me with the lens. It doesn't make any sense. What did they do? For those compact lenses that have everything together? Did they make this law? I said: "No, who made the law, the text is this. You are interpreting the text. Photographic camera is body, but lens. If they come together and can't be separated, it doesn't matter. You can't." He said: "I can." I said: "I know, you can." I know and you go.

You will. You will. Now you will. You can go. Why? Because he obviously wanted to take a Brazilian way. And I felt so out of line because it's not. The camera is in the body. It's in the law. Photographic camera. Is it in the body? Who thought about it? This is the problem. The guy who makes the law is not a technician. He doesn't call someone who understands.

So it's going to be a shit of law. You don't need to be a technician, you just need to know how to bring someone who knows. It will give room for interpretations. And when there are interpretations, it becomes a dangerous terrain. Because what? We are world champions. Corruption. We are a country that will corrupt everyone today. Speaking of countries, what is the outside view of Brazilian agro? You travel a lot, you go to several countries. What is the outside view?

Because we see a narrative that is often sold and that comes from outside. Including the preservation of nature, not only by agribusiness, but by Brazil in general. In general, if you talk to any person on the street, they will have an opinion that we have deforested. But it's funny, because this vision is something that we bought, I don't know where we bought it.

Beautiful people.

The smell of flowers, their cuckoo. They are wonderful people. They are free in the countryside. They have a wonderful history. Xuxa is a wonderful person. I like her a lot. I saw her songs. It's good to look on the internet who is talking about agro, about things. Then you see the person's history. You say: "This person has the moral to talk about the subject." Then you see opinions of people who have never been to the Amazon.

But they know everything about the Amazon. His holidays are full of influencers in my world that go to the Amazon, to Florida, to Disney every year. But they never went to the Amazon. But the rules about the Amazon are shit. We have to preserve it. We forget that there are 20 million people living there. I'll say it again. Someone asked, I'm married to an Amazonian. Someone asked these guys what they want, what they need.

Because we're painting, it's like an aquarium. We're building an aquarium, we like to look at the Amazon. And imagine, right? This is my Amazon. I'm here, right? Beautiful, air-conditioned, eating angus, and I'm there, look. Oh, how beautiful our Amazon is. They are so happy to live like this. Go live there then, son of a bitch. That's right. Take the plane and go live there. At 6 o'clock in the afternoon you can't, you have to roll in a mattress.

of so many mosquitoes that are biting you until 7pm. It's unbearable. You take a lot of people there to get to know the Amazon. I take people to places that don't have mosquitoes. It's really cool. I take people to Rio Negro. There are fewer mosquitoes there. I slept here in Porto Alegre with the window open.

People are all cold here. I slept with the door and window open to avoid the air conditioning. I was stung with fear. I don't know if you'll have dengue or not. But where you go in Rio Negro, there's not a single mosquito. Because of the acidity of the water. Zero mosquitoes. The question is this: you take these people who are influencers and had no contact. The vision they had and when they leave there, does it change? It changes.

Because they are often repeating the same speech. They just don't have another option. That's why I do this. I've taken many big influencers. Much bigger than me. I once took a group of 13 YouTubers. I was the youngest. I was 6 million, 2 million followers. I had a face of 30 million followers. And it changes. It changes.

These shocks are very necessary. I have the privilege of being... I go around all the artistic means. Because my work is beast, and my tool is beast, everyone watched me. Whether you like it or not, the guy watched me at some point. -I watched. -You can enjoy it. Running from the pororoca. He's already watched Richard at some point. And then I take advantage of that to be able to work these... Including the agro issue. I was telling you these days that I went to do a...

I went to a live show at the house of a giant influencer, John Vlogs. And there were giant guys, millions, from all the MCs. And I was talking about the Indian pig, and I said: "Oh, this is the Indian pig." And he said: "This one in Peru is called Cuy."

It's not a pig from India, it's from the Andes. And in Arequipa, I ate this animal. It's a plate. You eat chicken here, they eat things. What's the difference between a chicken and a pig from India? -For one, it's the value of the pet. -It can be ecologically different.

- A cute value. - My hen, for example, at home I have a pet hen, I have a pet ox, I have a pet pig. I have a super good little pig, I play with him, he rolls with us. - But that's it. - I don't eat him. - But that value has increased, right? The emotional one. - That individual is. - That we were talking about so far. - But then John's mother was eating a Calabrian pizza. Then she said: "Poor little pig." I said: "What?"

I said: "Don't you have a farm to grow cut chicken?" "Yes." "Are you eating a calabresa pizza?" "Yes." People there eat Indian pork. -It's the same thing. -Each one eats what is in their environment. Exactly. Man, I couldn't help but ask about your adventures. Run, nigga! Man, was it scary? The pororoca? No, it didn't take much time to think about it.

- You had to run. - I ran because my feet were big. Because we saw it on the camera. You in front and that volume of water behind. - It scared us. - It was a lot. That's why I ran. - Was this the biggest mess? - No, no. - What was your biggest mess? - I don't know. I saw one of the toads there. It was punk. The toad was awesome. I wouldn't do it again.

There are things I wouldn't do. I don't have the age and agility for certain things that I did. I don't know, a black mamba today. I wouldn't do it. There's a video of yours, I don't know if it's with the mamba, I think it's like a savannah, you're looking for it and it appears two meters back, gets up. It was in the middle of my legs and appeared behind. Man, that's a risk, right? No matter how technical you are, you go through a risk. Of course, the animal is very prepared.

There are things I didn't do. There are things that are not worth doing anymore. But I did it. If you want to see it, just watch it. I have it there. The Black Mamba. Everything has its own idea. I think it's important to know... First, I never sang as a hero. I was always the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big black guy. I was the big guy

Because things go wrong and we show it. No one has the pretension of being a hero. The idea is the adventure of a person in the natural world. A guy in the natural world. Negão also went to Super Ring, right? Of course, wherever I am, he is. I remember the project that we talked about, "Indígena". I remember we were recording at Cinta Larga once.

There are two curious things. The last ones were the ones that were in the arrow. The Bama planes? No. When the story of President Rockefeller came. Not Rockefeller, the rich, the millionaire. The one who came, the North American president. Roosevelt. Roosevelt. He has the Roosevelt River. They were in the arrow.

Roosevelt, in the committee. In 1970 they were the last, let's say, one of the last ethnic groups that had contact with civilization, that were "sandwiched", let's say. And they were anthropophagists, historically. And then I was there, he was there in Caldeirão, and then I asked the boss, I saw him, he was about ten years older than me, that is, I'm from 1970, I said he was from 1960, that is,

I think he must have eaten meat. Possibly. Possibly. I asked the chef. I saw the cauldron and said: "Wasn't Santa Lara an anthropophagist? Did he eat people?" "No, he said. Never. Santa Lara never ate people." And he kept going on. I said: "Where is the tastiest part of the person?"

He said: "Bunda e costela" If he had never eaten, how would he know? Bunda e costela. So, they already know that the most delicious part of people is bunda e costela. And then, Uncle Zé is wide to show how the indigenous spirit is. They are people like us, right? And then I always take Coca-Cola to Negão. Because Negão loves Coca-Cola. Who doesn't love? Who doesn't love? And he loves Coca-Cola. And I'm going to take Coca-Cola to Negão's place.

In the middle of the woods, I take the fridge and put the Coca-Cola. I make him happy with his Coca-Cola. He's always in the shit with me. And then Zé appeared. Zé heard the Coca-Cola opening and he traveled. "Coca-Cola, Coca-Cola, cold?" Then one hour he glug glug glug and I said: "Zé, you're a big ass, man. Go drink water from the river, man. Coca-Cola, damn it. Go drink water from the river." He said: "Branco taught me."

He said: "Cinta Lagra likes Coca-Cola and Toyota." Very good! We are all the same. That's right. And we all wish evolution and prosperity. And dignity. That's right. We are together. Richard, it was a great pleasure to have you with us. You can leave it, you can talk. It was a dream of ours to come here.

It was easy. It was hard to coordinate because we are far away. But it was... Thanks. It's that sometimes it's more in our imagination, right? As a well-known person. No, but most people are really disgusting. Oh, I believe. It was not the case. I wanted to give you good news, but unfortunately, a large part, there are few like that.

I've had many exceptions from people I know that don't correspond. Especially people who are connected to what you imagine. It's like you see me kicking a dog. You'll say, "Fuck!" I don't know. I may have other defects, but you won't see me kicking a dog. You'll see me kicking a dog against everything I believe in. And then...

you see people in this environment who have a type of work in a type of segment and you say: "How did this person do that? Did he stop serving?" It's not a person who was

I like people, samba, favela, whatever. And when someone comes to take a picture, I never stopped taking a picture with that person. Never in my life. Never. If someone asks, you can write a name and you never know that I never stopped taking a picture. That's what we have to do, it's our obligation as...

It's not an obligation, but it's a moral issue, you know? To prestige the people who follow you, who admire you, who have a convergence of thoughts. And we see total sense in your work and we have an unparalleled gratitude, because for the farmer it is very difficult to be recognized. Despite doing the noble and worthy work that we do of feeding people,

Agriculture is made of people and families. Families, your family, mine, yours. There are no mega-monsters. They are families that are fighting and if a crop goes wrong, they will be torn apart. There is no money left over. If you have money left over, it is better to put the money in cryptocurrencies.

And what are we going to eat? Who will plant? You will plant? You will create? It's a surreal world, it's time to wake up a little bit. What era of love is this? Of tolerance? I've never seen so much intolerance, so much lack of love. I preferred the way it was before, we had more dialogue, it was easier to put. A society grows.

with divergences of opinions and that's fine. It's fine if you don't accept me. I hate it. I don't care. It's not that I hate it. When we played in Brazil, I hated it.

I don't care about soccer, I'm not into it. I'm not into soccer. I see people killing themselves, cheering for a team, in a way that seems like a business, for God's sake. I'm sorry, I know there's a lot of people here, who are killing themselves because of that. Do you know who I'm cheering for? For the one who's winning.

I want to be happy. I'm going to suffer. Who's winning? The Gremio? Yes, the Gremio. I'm the Gremio. If tomorrow I go to the international, I'll be international. And then the guys get angry. I said: "This is the construction." And then I changed. If the guy changes sex, I support him. Because I can't change teams.

Where is tolerance? Where is the world of love? What is happening with this world of love? The world of love is when you agree with a agenda. If you disagree to form a society that only forms with dialogue and differences of opinion, then you are already labeled with something. Eliminated. But no, we are here to show our work.

That's it. A toast then. A toast. That's good.