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Musique : art, technique, savoir (10) - Karol Beffa (2012-2013)

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[Music]

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As I said, I have the pleasure

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of welcoming Jérôme Ducros,

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pianist and composer, who will be

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talking to us about tonhallism. And then, in

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1863, in a novel titled *

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Paris in the 20th Century*,

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Jules Verne paints a portrait of what

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they imagined music to be. In 1960,

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excerpts... "

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Finally!" cried Michel, "We're going to make some

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music, especially not

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modern music!" said Jacques, "It's too difficult

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to understand." "Yes, to play?" "No, how come?" "Let

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me explain. Sit down on the keyboard." "What do you mean,

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sit down?" said

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Michel. He let himself fall onto the keys

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of the instrument and produced a heart-

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rending harmony. "Do

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you know what you're doing there?" asked

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the pianist. "I hardly suspect," he replied,

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innocent of the modern harmony.

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Then the composer himself sat down at the

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piano. Under his

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fingers, under his hands, under his elbows,

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the unfortunate instrument makes

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ideas impossible. The notes

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clash and crackle like...

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Hail, no melody, no rhythm, and

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you're counting on that piece then, said

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Michel. If I'm counting on it, replied the

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composer. These two amounts, I'll be

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understood,

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and not see it there, the image

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[Music]

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years

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[Music]

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[Music]

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Thank you. So, it's not a

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film adaptation of the scene

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I just read, it's not

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fiction, but rather an

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interpretation by Maurizio Pollini, a

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very great pianist,

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of an undisputed masterpiece by

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Karlheinz Stockhausen, one of the

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greatest geniuses of the 20th century, which dates from

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1960-61, the exact year in which

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Jules Verne's scene is supposed to take place

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in

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1970, so roughly at the time when this

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text is supposed to take place and when

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Stockhausen's young composers are composing the piece from which

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we just heard an excerpt. The

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composer Steve Reich, in a text

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he titles "Some

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Optimistic Predictions on the Future of Music,"

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writes this:

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Pulse and the requirement of a

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clearly defined tonal center of attraction

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will emerge as one of the

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fundamental sources of new music.

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I propose we see what the situation is

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forty years later with this all-too-

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short excerpt from

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Karol Beffa's Violin Concerto, which

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could cut life, life,

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messages

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[Music]

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[Music]

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1. I

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apologize for cutting this off in this beautiful

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concerto

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[Applause]

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that Jules Verne's prediction has come

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true. The example we heard

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first should suffice to

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convince us, especially if I add that

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the vast majority of music from

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this era more or less reflects

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this aesthetic. It may be a

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little early, however, to assert here

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without a shadow of a doubt that

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Steve Reich's prediction will be fulfilled

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with the same unanimity,

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even if we have two magnificent

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examples like the one we just

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heard:

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the struggle between those who wish to

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preserve the atonal musical style of the

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20th century and those who wish to abandon it. It

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seems

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inevitable to me

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that this movement will eventually prevail,

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and that is what I would like to try to

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show today. To that end,

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I will venture a

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comparative study of the

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respective characteristics of tonal and

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atonal music. Why do I say

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venture?

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Because while there are many specific studies

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of the different styles contained within each

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of these languages—

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for tonal music, we have identified the

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Baroque style, the Classical style, and the

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Romantic style; for atonal music, the

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Serial style, the Post-Serial style, the Spectral style, and the

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Aleatoric style (I'm surely forgetting some)—we are

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not, however, accustomed to examining

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the characteristics common to all

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and subsets within their

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respective entities: tonal and atonal.

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The pitfall

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of such a schematic analysis, I

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prefer to state from the outset, is that I will pay

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little attention to the boundary between

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tonal and atonal, a boundary which is

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blurred like all

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artistic boundaries and which leads many

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composers, particularly at the beginning of the

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20th century... Unclassifiable according to this

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terminology, but the porous nature of the

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boundary in no way negates the

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reality of the profound difference

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between the entities found on either side,

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and it is this difference that

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interests me today.

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Conversely, the advantage of such an

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openly binary analysis is that it

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allows us, at least in part, to explain the

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divorce between the music-loving public and

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contemporary music in the 20th century—a

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divorce evidenced, if only

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one example were needed, by the fact that even

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today, in conservatories and

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international

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music competitions, it is necessary to impose

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contemporary-style pieces to

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ensure that students play them. It is

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perhaps useful in this regard

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to recall that

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Romantic music was never imposed in the 19th century, nor was

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Classical music in the 18th. Obviously,

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contrary to what

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all fallacious reconstructions

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of art history claim, the music of the

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moment has always been the favorite of music

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lovers, with the

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notable exception of the 20th century. Why this

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divorce? This is what we will try

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to understand.

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I will only suggest for now that we

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can no longer reasonably

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attribute this divorce to a fear of the

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new. First, we will see that

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contemporary music has offered nothing

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profoundly new for

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decades, and second, music lovers

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who reject contemporary music readily

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go to see the latest

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film and buy the latest book of the

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literary season. They are not inherently

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afraid of the new.

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While the reasons for the shift to tonality

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at the beginning of the 20th century have been

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extensively analyzed, the

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remarkable return of tonality in the broadest sense

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in recent years has not been

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the subject of such in-depth analysis.

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It is mainly commented on, let's say

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superficially, by those who

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would like the musical style of the

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20th century to remain as it is for all eternity,

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and who readily label them

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reactionary, revisionist—in short,

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all secular equivalents of the devil

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are welcome—those who, like

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Beffa in particular, want to break free from the

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dogmas of tonality.

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Politically charged jeers obviously

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aim to, and certainly have the effect of,

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masking the real reasons behind this

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underlying trend in the autumnal music scene, even though

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it alone is of course

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interesting. Indeed, there is no desire—and I

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think Carole won't contradict me—

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among the neo-tunnel crowd to return for the sake of

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returning, to decide on principle that things were

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better before, to advocate a return

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to an old order simply because it is old. Of course not!

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The deep reasons

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for this situation are to be found in

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the very aporias of tonality and

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in the non-negotiable principles that gave rise to it.

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Principles whose questioning, we will see,

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is necessary for

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the very evolution of music. This

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conditions, and paradoxically,

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the evolution of music towards a return

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to the essential functions of tonal language.

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Bart, right here in his last short piece,

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where he discussed the necessity of

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lineage in the creation of a

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work, quoted this phrase from Verdi: "Let

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us turn to the past; it will be

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progress

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if it is indispensable today." I

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think To dismiss the notion of progress from

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artistic matters has, it seems to me,

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rather brought it misfortune. On the

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other hand, evolving by turning

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towards the past, or moving backwards, to

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borrow Sartre's phrase about

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Baudelaire, not only has its own

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relevance, but these same approaches are

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the best we have to deal with today.

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And since we're going to talk about

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musical language, and I have a piano

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handy, I'll take the opportunity to

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start by giving a few examples. First of all, let's give credit where credit is due,

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a little tonal music.

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[Music]

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Well, let's not kid ourselves, there was

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a small problem towards the end.

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It's called wrong notes. There were

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two. Okay, I admit it, I take responsibility,

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and I take responsibility all the more

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readily since, in reality, it was done on purpose, of

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course, since these wrong

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notes will be the central theme of

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today's session, or more precisely,

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the fact that you noticed them.

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Because, you realize,

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without having studied, certainly for

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many of you, the laws of

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tonal language... You are able

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to hear two wrong notes in a

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piece that has over a

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hundred,

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and pieces that you couldn't possibly

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know since I composed them for

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this lesson. Something else

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now, something completely different: a

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performance, which I hope will be honest this

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time, of a

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particularly interesting atonal work in that it is

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the first work

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written in an atonal language. Theorizing it is

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the first serial twelve-tone work

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written by Schoenberg in 1923.

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People are playing the first page.

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[Music]

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Oh,

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come on,

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my point

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[Music]

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where

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it went better. Well,

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I must still ease my

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conscience because it went very well at the

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beginning.

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This first measure was executed

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almost perfectly,

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and then measure 8. Perhaps it was stage fright;

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my left hand went down a

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semitone, and this continued for all the

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following measures. Something I tried to

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correct at measure 15, raising my

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hand a semitone, but I made a mistake,

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and it was my right hand

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that went up. by a semitone at that point,

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which meant that from that moment on, both

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the notes in my left and

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right hands were wrong. Through sheer

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concentration, I managed to

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lower my right hand

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by a semitone in measure 20, but this immediately caused

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my left hand to lower it by a semitone in the following measure as

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well, whereas, if you've been

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following closely, it should have risen normally.

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And finally, by some

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miracle, in the middle of measure 25, I

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found my notes in their proper places

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and brilliantly played

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measures 26 and 27 exactly as

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written.

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In short, the very beginning and end were perfectly fine, but

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the middle was a complete mess. I

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counted, because of course it was all

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planned. In the example

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I just gave, I counted no fewer than 79 wrong

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notes, not

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one of which was even heard by

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specialists.

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In other words, to summarize the

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situation

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for non-specialists:

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they spot two wrong notes in a

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tonal piece they aren't supposed to

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know. While specialists can't

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detect 79 wrong notes in a

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thirty-one-second excerpt of

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nearly a century-old atonal music that's

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part of the repertoire,

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this premise seems quite revealing to me and

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says enough about the

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profound differences between totality and isthmus-atone music that

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I've decided to

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dedicate the bulk of

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today's lesson to its analysis. Another

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quick experiment, still somewhat along the

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same lines, but to show that

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other styles of atonal music

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share the same characteristics

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because we sometimes want to contrast them:

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serialism, free atonal music, etc.

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Today I'm talking about isthmus-atone

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in general; I want to show that it

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shares the same characteristics. So I'm going to

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play two short examples.

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Now you're going to tell me, but you

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certainly don't trust me at all anymore

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since I'm putting wrong

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notes everywhere, so I'm going to proceed

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differently. I'll take two short excerpts

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of atonal music by two different composers,

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more recent than Schoenberg of course, and for

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each excerpt I'll give two versions, one of which

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I'll tell you beforehand what will be

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Honest, meaning it will respect the text,

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and the other will be totally disfigured. It's up to

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you, of course, to tell me which of the

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two is correct, perhaps with Decarone's help.

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First, Donatoni,

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the expressions are clear, don't worry,

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Donatoni. An honest version, a

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disfigured version.

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[Music] That was

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the first one, here's the second.

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[Music] No

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idea, not

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even the specialists have. So

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we'll take another composer,

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Kurtág. Then, then we'll stop at

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Kurtág. Same thing, a good version is a

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bad version. [

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Music]

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Second version.

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[Music]

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No, nobody, it's a bit

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boring. One last one,

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really, just

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to make sure we don't get there, and

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then we'll talk about all this again. Two

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versions.

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[Music]

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and

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1.

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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Second version.

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[Music]

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Am I insulting

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you by asking if you have...

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I should point out that the disfigurements are

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exactly the same in the three

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examples I gave, that is to say,

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roughly offset. With a hand a semitone higher, plus a

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few additions according to the whim

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of the moment,

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it would seem, therefore, that the

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discriminatory capacities of judgment are present

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whenever the music is tonal and

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disappear whenever it is not.

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I should clarify at this point that

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the fact that you recognized it as

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the correct version of a

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Beethoven work has nothing to do, firstly,

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with the fact that you

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might have known this work; it would have had

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exactly the same effect with an offer

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that you were told you didn't know—

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sorry, that's actually what

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I chose to do for the very

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first example—and secondly, it has nothing to do

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with an effect of habituation, the reason for which would be the

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passage of time.

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Mistakes were heard in exactly the

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same way as today, from the very

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first hearing of a work;

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otherwise, no one would have noticed

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the oddities that have been attributed to

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this or that composer, which stemmed

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precisely from the composer's intentional

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wrong note, because that's where My point is that

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composers of

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tonal music had, and still have,

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a language whose rules the public largely

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understands,

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even when they are unable to articulate them.

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All the composer's discursive work

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is based on this

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knowledge of the rules.

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This is, in fact, the very nature of a language,

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and could be at least part

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of its definition: to be a coded system in

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which the sender and receiver

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have consciously or unconsciously integrated and shared

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the main elements. In

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French, for example, and since it is

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the language that unites us today,

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examples abound

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of rules that we respect, even though

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we have either forgotten them ourselves or

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never learned them. If a foreigner

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asks us what tense to

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conjugate the verb after "il faut que" (it is necessary that), for

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example, we all proceed in exactly the same way to answer: "

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remue la scion in petto" (rearing the scion in petto) of one or

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more sentences beginning with "bar" (il faut

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qu' - it is necessary that I come - it is necessary that

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you have - it is necessary that they take - it is necessary that they take - they

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deduce the rule: "il faut que" is

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followed by the subjunctive mood, better with a rule

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that we do not know Let's imagine the

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following proposition written here: a blind scholar. There

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are two ways to read this: one can

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read "a blind scholar" or one can read "a blind

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scholar." For a long time, good

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ear... there is a difference,

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two meanings between the two ways of reading it. When "a blind

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scholar" is

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understood as a scholar who cannot see,

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when "a blind scholar" is understood as

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a blind person who knows. In other

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words, in the first case, without the liaison, "

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scholar" and the noun "blind" are the adjective. In

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the second case, "a blind scholar" is with the

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liaison "blind" and the noun "scholars" and

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the adjective. There is a rule that

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can be found, for example, in the example of a

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striker who says this: we do not pronounce

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the liaison after the final consonant

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of a singular noun.

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Indeed, once we know this, we can

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look for examples: we say "a

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hungry wolf" by a missed opportunity, "hungry," "an

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admirable necklace," "an interesting subject." No one

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among you will say "it's an interesting subject," "

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very interesting." We

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say "it's an interesting subject," no

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liaison, because this subject... is a

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very interesting noun, liaison, because très is not

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a noun; it is a

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striking example of a rule that we

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all use every day, even though

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we most likely had never heard of

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these rules in music. Like a Frenchman,

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we had them, we assimilated them

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through simple repetition, denounced as correct,

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which we were confronted with by

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dint of hearing well-formed phrases.

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We know how it is formed with

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the advent of tonhalle ismm. We

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perhaps thought in good faith that the

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repetition of nouns, c'est correct,

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would do the same to simulate the

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language for all listeners,

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but it was not so. A

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more than eminent composer who

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devoted most of his life to

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composing serial music told me one

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day, when I had just played him on the piano

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the orchestral reduction of the concerto to

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the memory of an angel by Alban Berg,

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serial music, therefore, that this

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score, and always had,

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contained a large number of mistakes,

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mistakes. Fabec rolled from F sharp, and it

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is that the recordings of this

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concerto and these Concert performances,

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without exception, repeated these

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faulty notes. I seized the opportunity to

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ask him, "Tell me, where are the

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mistakes I just made so I can

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correct them immediately in the score?" And

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he replied, "I can't

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tell you right now; my corrected score is at

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home." What

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exactly does this mean when

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tonal music, like in French,

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bases its rules on knowledge

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and empirical practice that

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allows us to feel if the phrase is

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correct, if it sounds good? In

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atonal music, on the other hand, being deprived of this

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feeling that the note is right or

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wrong—we saw earlier how much

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we will rely on the rule to

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know—in other words, in

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tonal music, as in spoken language, we

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deduce the rule from the phrase, whereas

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in serial atonal music, in this

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case, we deduce the phrase from the

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rule. It

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is now time to consider

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this knowledge you have of

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language, which could be defined, at a

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minimum,

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by your ability to predict, after

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hearing—should I say, what

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the music should be like in the next second?

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I return to my initial example, which...

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It startled

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[Music] okay, that's

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not it, but what happens

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when you hear that? Well, whether you

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're a specialist, whether you know how to

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write it or not, or whether you've simply taken up

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music, you know that

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afterwards

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we all have the same answer to this

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question:

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the composer, knowing that you know this,

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can decide to surprise you. For

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example

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[Music] that's

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not bad either, it's not

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necessarily what you expected, it's

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called breaking a cadence, but you

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consider that it's part of the realm

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of possibilities, it's a surprise, a

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good surprise if you will. On the other hand, if

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I do it,

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everyone here is sure that it's not

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part of the realm of possibilities,

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even less so. Let's try with

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contemporary atonal music, what do we

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want then?

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Well, I encounter

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[Music] that's

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not bad, it's now, but also

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possible

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[Music]

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credible

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[Music]

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I'll stop because we could spend all

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day, all night, everything is possible,

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we expect everything, and as we We expect

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everything, we are surprised by nothing,

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and we therefore enter into a form of

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passive listening, at most thinking, "Hey,

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he did that."

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If we analyze, perhaps too quickly, the

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observations we have made so far, we

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could

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conclude that in listening to

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tonal music, there is a type of chord that we

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accept as rather consonant, and

27:32

a type of chord that we do not accept as rather

27:33

dissonant.

27:35

In this case, this

27:37

discriminatory capacity that we have when

27:39

listening to tonal music would be

27:42

the expression of a recognition of the

27:43

absolute value that we attribute to

27:45

sounds. That would already be quite a lot, and it would

27:47

already be proof that everyone has

27:48

a pretty good ear, but we

27:51

'll see that reality is more

27:52

complex and your understanding much

27:56

deeper than that.

27:58

I need

28:00

to indulge in a little improvisation.

28:02

[Music]

28:08

You

28:09

[Music]

28:25

or

28:27

[Music] that's it,

28:35

you liked it,

28:38

well I'm delighted, not because

28:40

it flatters my ego as an improviser, but

28:42

because I played

28:45

that chord four times and you didn't hear a thing.

28:48

I'll show them right from

28:50

the start: I did this, it's

28:56

there, freeze frame, it's the

29:01

same one

29:04

here, that's very good,

29:08

I did this, then what is it?

29:15

Oh, it's that one,

29:16

horrible here, an email to,

29:21

except for the lady

29:22

in these jousts.

29:24

[Music]

29:31

same thing, the same one again, so here's what

29:40

becomes

29:41

extremely interesting. Why? Because it's

29:44

not certain sounds that

29:47

you dislike and not others, it's

29:49

certain sounds that you accept in

29:51

certain contexts and not in others,

29:52

which changes the dimension of your

29:54

knowledge, because then the The

29:57

notion of meaning and sounds being akin

30:00

to words, you reject a certain note in

30:02

a musical phrase not because you

30:04

dislike the note itself, but

30:07

because you judged it incoherent

30:08

within the phrase in question; it doesn't

30:11

belong, in other words, to the realm of

30:12

possibilities I was talking about earlier.

30:14

So, my initial false note

30:17

is as if I had told you, "For a

30:19

long time, I went to bed well-fed."

30:23

You immediately know that the last

30:26

word is "and it has to be"—it's a false note,

30:29

to continue the metaphor.

30:30

But it's not because it's a

30:32

horrible neologism or a dreadful

30:34

vulgarity that you reject it; it's

30:36

because it contradicts the meaning of the

30:39

sentence, whereas it would fit perfectly

30:41

elsewhere, in another context,

30:43

exactly like our agreement.

30:45

Literature, since we're talking about it,

30:48

also had its modern or

30:51

contemporary moment, in the sense of a desire for the

30:53

fragmentation of language. Subject-verb-

30:54

object—that's in the past, that's old-

30:56

fashioned. We're changing all that a bit; we've

30:58

perhaps forgotten that

31:00

literature also experienced this phase.

31:02

I'll go into it. I unearthed a small piece to

31:05

continue the parallel between music and

31:07

language, which is decidedly inexhaustible.

31:09

I'll read you a little Morse code, a short

31:12

excerpt from Tristan Tzara. It must date back

31:15

to 1916, I think. It's one of the first

31:17

Dadaist texts:

31:21

closed doors without fraternity, we

31:24

are bitter, fel vire, rend, centipede

31:27

of the Eiffel Tower, immense, think, think and think, think,

31:30

mechanism without pain, 17 98

31:35

58 555 eaeo bibeau fifi haras, my god,

31:39

oh my god, along the canal, puerperal fever,

31:44

beetles and so2 h4, tomb, mata paul and

31:48

vice-king of the nights, they lost their

31:50

arms, irregular polygon, amat, it breaks,

31:53

the ladybug is bigger than

31:54

the cerebral hemisphere, but where are the

31:57

vice-kings of the nights?

32:00

It goes without saying that by listening to this you

32:03

put yourself in a state of passivity that

32:05

resembles the state to which

32:07

listening to atonal music forces you, because

32:08

you expect nothing, because it It makes no

32:11

sense; I can make as many wrong

32:12

notes as I want. During the reading, you won't be able to

32:15

hear them. Besides, I didn't hold back.

32:17

You're starting to

32:18

know me.

32:19

And I inadvertently replaced "

32:22

lace" with "Arabs" in the

32:24

text I just read, which I

32:27

think in a text that made sense

32:29

would inevitably have posed a problem, but here it didn't. In

32:34

other words, Proust is tonal; I replace "

32:37

hours" with "goat," and everyone hears it.

32:40

Sarah is atonal; I replace "lace" with "

32:44

Arabs," and nobody hears it the

32:47

same way. I was able to use

32:48

figures and Schoenberg and Donatoni Kurtág earlier

32:53

without anyone noticing, whereas

32:55

two wrong notes in a

32:57

tonal language made you wince. We'll have to face

33:00

this obvious fact: only what is

33:06

meaningless to the listener can be disfigured with impunity.

33:09

The tonal composer therefore has at their

33:12

disposal a language that allows them to

33:15

constantly play with the listener's expectations.

33:17

This property is at the very

33:20

foundation of art music,

33:21

since It is certain, she

33:23

alone is certain, that the fact rests on the fact that we could have

33:25

wanted to develop discourses

33:28

in the musical language. Claude Lévi-

33:30

Strauss, who endeavored to

33:32

highlight this essential property of

33:34

tonal language, which serialism, according to

33:36

him, is incapable of reproducing,

33:39

describes it in these terms:

33:41

musical emotion arises precisely

33:44

from the fact that at each moment the composer

33:47

removes or adds more or less than

33:51

the listener anticipates, based on a

33:54

plan they believe they can guess, and they add

33:58

the aesthetic pleasure,

34:00

effects of this multitude of months and

34:03

respite, expectations deceived and rewarded

34:07

beyond the tent,

34:09

result of the challenges carried by the work.

34:12

So I will take advantage of the

34:14

piano again, this time to give you three

34:16

examples among thousands of this

34:18

capacity that the

34:20

tonal composer has to

34:22

use our knowledge

34:24

to surprise or flatter it.

34:28

First examples borrowed from Johann

34:30

Sebastian Bach in his cantata number 54,

34:33

1st, in the middle of which the singer

34:37

sings the ace 10 min at Thann Blendon Dndi

34:41

got her Shenzhen drift at a floor of the

34:44

workshops shale doesn't let

34:47

his blind aunt and quarter profane the

34:52

glory of God brings a

34:55

deadly curse. Needless to say, it takes

34:58

imagination and talent

35:00

to paraphrase such a powerful text, and

35:04

a city to say, of course, that Baky Prat will succeed.

35:06

He will, for this, use

35:09

your predictive abilities.

35:11

The singer says this phrase twice. It

35:13

is at the end of the first occurrence,

35:16

at the moment when, therefore, they sing, lift a

35:19

floor of the workshops. Son enters, brings a

35:21

deadly curse. Bac introduces

35:24

a perfectly

35:26

normal cadence until its resolution,

35:31

and there we wait, of

35:34

course, we wait for the

35:36

normal resolution on lifetime heaviness. Only hiccup,

35:39

list, here is this movement. Or Bac will

35:42

write, we

35:46

use here a chord quite

35:49

usual in other circumstances,

35:51

but rather surprising at the arrival of a

35:53

cadence, since instead of giving us

35:54

the impression that we have arrived somewhere,

35:55

they rather give

35:57

the impression that the music starts again without us really

36:00

knowing why, as if a

36:01

step had been skipped in the

36:03

formulation. In reality, this chord will

36:06

lead to a refrain from the orchestrated

36:08

to The outcome of which the singer will

36:10

say this phrase for the second time

36:12

is at the end of the phrase the second

36:15

time

36:15

on the mortal curse

36:20

new bac brings a classical cadence

36:27

at the end of which we expect this

36:31

or perhaps what he did the

36:33

first time

36:34

but which here would not make sense

36:36

since it is the last time the

36:38

singer actually said it in

36:41

place of the most consonant chord

36:42

he has at his disposal

36:46

and which is the one we expect below

36:47

that he will use the most

36:48

dissonant chord he has at his disposal

36:54

which is called a tritone chord

36:56

because it is based on

36:58

this interval

37:00

a little unpleasant to the ear which is

37:03

an interval of cards increase and which

37:06

at the time was considered the

37:07

devil's interval in music

37:09

so it is not more appropriate to the text

37:10

in question I try to sing you

37:13

the thing as a whole the hostis

37:16

caterpillars to reach us eindhoven

37:19

of the digicodes it is the young trifluvien

37:23

of the

37:25

lists refrain of The orchestrated

37:35

normal cadence

37:36

at the end of which the singer

37:38

resumes the stylistic dance recalled

37:42

the same offense, quite a few Shenzhen

37:46

Rifai cans,

37:50

dramatic effects guaranteed, it's not what

37:53

you expected and it's

37:55

extremely surprising. Another

37:58

use

37:59

of his predictive abilities, totally

38:02

different this time in Schubert, in

38:04

an impromptu that begins with

38:10

this sort of sweet, nostalgic,

38:13

and smiling gentleness so dear to the composer. In the

38:16

middle of this impromptu, Schubert

38:17

introduces a more dramatic moment

38:26

from which he will want to emerge, to take us out, to take us out

38:29

with him, by changing

38:32

the lighting and perhaps not bringing back

38:34

the lighting of the beginning, but something

38:35

much brighter, to take us

38:37

out of the darkness, in a way. How will he do it

38:39

this time? I

38:40

play first and then I explain.

38:42

The passage will arrive,

38:47

the drama arrives.

38:49

[Music]

39:14

What happens at this moment? I don't know

39:15

if you shivered with me,

39:17

but this passage, what happens at the

39:19

moment when Schubert

39:22

brings this broad commentary? So,

39:25

we use the fact that you're

39:27

expecting something else. To summarize,

39:29

Schubert will

39:31

not only know that you're expecting

39:34

a normal resolution,

39:37

which would be this one, but not content with just

39:40

knowing it, he'll give it to you twice,

39:41

the real

39:43

solution. He gives it to you twice

39:44

in the passage, and it's when it

39:46

happens the third time that they

39:47

change completely,

39:50

perhaps at the moment we least expect it. He

39:51

changes completely by two degrees, and

39:55

he surprises us with this

39:57

way of resolving the cadence. To summarize,

40:04

first occurrence,

40:08

then repeat,

40:13

second occurrence.

40:16

So he changed a very small

40:18

melodic element to justify the repetition. That's

40:19

the first time we had

40:20

[Music].

40:23

Second time,

40:26

and third time

40:27

[Music]. In

40:32

other words, to take up

40:34

Lévi-Strauss's phrase, "expectation, expectation,"

40:41

and "

40:42

tripping

40:45

is rewarded beyond the tent,"

40:48

that's what he meant. Let's

40:51

remember that for us to be

40:55

surprised, we have to have expected

40:57

something,

41:00

and that it's the same mechanism

41:05

that is triggered in you when you

41:09

You shudder with horror at the sound of my

41:11

wrong note at the beginning, or when you

41:12

shudder with pleasure at the sound of

41:14

this modulation. This mechanism is, if

41:17

I may say so, the

41:20

immediate trial of the anomaly. Only a

41:23

few milliseconds pass between the

41:26

commission of the offense, the

41:29

contradictory nature of the argument, the defense's plea, and the prosecution's indictment.

41:32

The verdict, in the first case, will be that

41:34

the performer is terrible, in the second case, that

41:36

the composer is brilliant. But

41:38

these two verdicts will be the culmination

41:39

of one and the same type of trial: the one

41:42

the listener brings against the note

41:45

they hadn't expected to hear.

41:47

A few words now on a

41:52

special use of your predictive abilities:

41:54

the harmonic progression. The

41:57

harmonic progression is a kind of logical sequence

41:59

designed to enhance your

42:01

prior knowledge of the discourse and, as such, is

42:03

obviously very popular with

42:05

music lovers.

42:07

[Music]

42:14

At the moment it arrives, you can

42:16

predict the discourse, not one note in

42:17

advance as is generally the case,

42:19

but two. Four, six, or even eight bars

42:22

in advance, and you could foresee the

42:24

unfolding, not only harmonic

42:27

and melodic, provided that the composer

42:30

introduces a melodic embryo on the

42:32

first step

42:33

[Music],

42:37

or

42:42

at the moment the march arrives, you

42:45

almost have the impression of knowing

42:47

this piece even if you've never

42:49

heard it,

42:50

or even better, the impression of having

42:53

composed it yourself or of being in the process of

42:55

composing it. It's a true gift

42:56

that the composer gives to his audience,

42:59

and as such, the march

43:00

often comes after a passage where

43:03

your attention has been particularly

43:05

engaged or your nerves put to the

43:07

test. I'm thinking, for example, of that

43:10

passage from Schubert's second virtuoso, a barren,

43:20

uncomfortable landscape;

43:22

the tension is palpable, it rises,

43:26

and when it reaches its climax,

43:30

Schubert, March 10,

43:40

we have the impression of knowing it, and

43:41

then the whirlwind of

43:45

contradictory feelings that overwhelms us at the

43:47

moment it arrives is difficult to

43:49

describe, but I think we can

43:51

extract from it the feeling of profound

43:53

gratitude. Regarding the composer who

43:55

chose this way of saying thank you

44:00

for your attention, because that's what he's saying,

44:02

Mozart does the same in his 23rd

44:04

concerto. After a passage where we're a little

44:08

lost, a very uncertain passage, the

44:10

instruments change. Here, I'm going to do everything

44:11

on the piano, but it happens between

44:12

the orchestrated piano, the key changes

44:15

every two measures. He also thanks

44:17

his audience in a certain way

44:19

with a march.

44:20

[Music]

44:30

Where are we?

44:31

[Music]

44:36

Alas, Mozart, but look where you

44:38

are!

44:38

[Music]

44:42

Ah yes, I know!

44:44

[Music]

44:48

And this undeniable listening comfort that

44:51

the march provides when it

44:53

arrives, obviously made very

44:54

popular

44:55

among popular music writers, in particular. We can't not

44:58

mention,

45:07

and it's exactly the same

45:09

principle at this point as with Mozart,

45:11

totally superimposable. It's a

45:13

song

45:15

for a hundred,

45:19

okay, even "

45:21

I love you," Schubert's. Can we subject

45:25

him to the same affront? You

45:26

remember that one?

45:28

It makes me... Oh dear,

45:33

Allah

45:33

[Music] Oh

45:36

dear,

45:38

why these provocative juxtapositions?

45:42

Far be it from me, of course, to suggest

45:45

any kind of relativism that would

45:48

suggest The Umbrellas

45:49

of Cherbourg and

45:51

Schubert's Impromptus are the same thing, or that Autumn

45:52

Leaves and

45:54

Mozart's concertos are the same thing. Of course not,

45:55

but it's to remind us of something

45:57

very important and somewhat

46:00

forgotten in the tonal world before the

46:04

atonal split: art music and

46:07

popular music spoke the same

46:09

language.

46:11

In 1934, in this regard, Schoenberg let

46:15

slip a strange flash of insight whose

46:18

full significance we haven't yet grasped: there will

46:21

always be tonal music, he said,

46:25

because there will always be a need for

46:27

popular music.

46:29

We're speechless! It's absurd,

46:32

when you think about it, that a composer develops

46:34

a language that he senses cannot

46:36

be that of

46:38

popular music. It's unfortunate, in a way, that he He didn't bother

46:41

to develop this

46:43

premonition because, after all, he had done

46:44

the hardest part by recognizing ahead of

46:46

time that popular music would

46:48

never be tonal. He only needed

46:50

to push the reasoning a little further to

46:51

conclude that

46:52

atonal music would never be popular.

46:55

The different possible states of a

46:59

language are a sign that it is a

47:01

language. Tristan and Isolde and Viens

47:03

Poupoule are written in the same language.

47:07

Julien Gracq speaks the same language as

47:09

Fernand Raynaud and Marguerite Yourcenar,

47:10

the same language as Denise Fabre. A

47:14

language that allowed only one

47:17

mode of expression would be, at best,

47:19

jargon, at worst, glossolalia, and never, as far as

47:22

I know, would allow

47:24

the emergence of a masterpiece.

47:28

One of the collateral damages of this abandonment

47:32

of an intelligible language is that, by

47:34

voluntarily depriving itself of the

47:36

possibility of astonishing its audience with something other

47:38

than gestures,

47:40

atonal music has also deprived itself of

47:42

the possibilities of evolving in depth.

47:44

It's reasonable to say that since

47:46

Berne or Varèse, who offered

47:49

truly unprecedented works to

47:51

their audiences, the

47:54

atonal style—whether called modern or

47:56

contemporary, it doesn't matter—has

47:58

offered nothing truly astonishing for

48:00

almost a century. The tricks and

48:03

strokes of genius that composers of

48:06

the tonal era used to

48:08

seduce or surprise their listeners

48:10

led them to discover

48:12

harmonic worlds, sometimes unexplored, some of which were

48:14

abandoned, while others became

48:16

schools of thought depending on their relevance.

48:19

Once this dialectic was abandoned, it

48:22

was inevitable that music would no

48:24

longer evolve in depth, since one can only

48:25

naturally change the

48:27

parameters one uses. Hence a

48:29

very striking paradox: for the last

48:32

hundred years, we have never

48:34

focused so much on the evolution

48:36

of music, yet it has never

48:38

evolved so little. Pierre Boulez himself

48:42

makes this very apt observation: "It is claimed," he says, "

48:45

that the 20th century

48:48

evolved a great deal, but this is false. There are

48:50

fewer differences between today's trends

48:53

and Stravinsky." that between concrete and Wagner, it was

48:57

perfectly just a matter of trying to make

49:01

leaps of about 60 years in

49:02

the history of music. It's edifying,

49:04

for example, the St. John Passion, the

49:07

St. Matthew Passion, pardon,

49:10

The Magic Flute, Lohengrin, and The Rite

49:12

of Spring. Bach, Mozart, Wagner,

49:15

Stravinsky—these are leaps of about

49:16

sixty years. We're

49:18

so hardened to the status quo that it

49:19

seems astounding. Let's see what happens

49:22

with tonhallism by listening

49:24

now to four very short excerpts

49:27

of four atonal pieces by four

49:30

different composers.

49:36

[Music]

49:50

Yes,

49:54

where is the

49:56

second excerpt? That was a string quartet,

50:04

yes.

50:09

[Music]

50:11

1.

50:18

Third excerpt

50:24

[Music]

50:36

[Applause]

50:37

[Music]

50:39

And last excerpt, string quartet

50:44

[Music].

51:02

Could someone say which of these

51:04

excerpts is clearly much more

51:06

modern than the others? In other words, the

51:08

chronological order is

51:09

flawed to the naked eye. Surely not,

51:12

all four could have been

51:13

written yesterday afternoon by a

51:15

composition student from one of our

51:17

national conservatories of music, and if so,

51:19

they would all have been

51:21

approved by the professor, so perfectly do they

51:23

meet the stylistic requirements

51:25

imposed by contemporary academicism. As such, they

51:27

could easily appear,

51:29

without a shadow of a doubt,

51:30

in the contemporary music sections of

51:33

our record stores. And yet, these four

51:35

excerpts date, respectively,

51:37

in the order we listened to them, from

51:40

2010,

51:42

1985,

51:44

1923, and

51:47

1627.

51:50

I admit that including the last

51:52

excerpt in this small

51:54

anthology is a bit of a joke on

51:56

my part, but I wanted to take this

51:58

opportunity to remind everyone that, just as

52:00

monochrome existed before

52:02

Malevich, tonality existed long

52:04

before Schoenberg, often in

52:06

experimental works attempting to imitate

52:08

the sounds of nature. Here, it is Carlo

52:11

Farina, a composer who must have been born around

52:13

1600, who created this work

52:14

entitled and a capriccio stravagante

52:17

and in the passage in question he imitates

52:19

the meows of cats and the

52:20

barks of dogs,

52:23

which is to say that the demand for novelty

52:25

that is generally opposed to the composer,

52:28

dinner by the barrel, isn't that right Carole,

52:30

is only a rhetorical reflex here if we disregard

52:34

the 17th-

52:36

century piece that concludes this overview,

52:38

the gap between the two most

52:40

distant pieces was Varèse for the more

52:43

recent and Ferney for the more varied,

52:45

for the older, pardon is closed,

52:47

or for the more recent,

52:48

the gap between these two pieces is 87

52:50

years, that is to say the same as between

52:54

Schubert's Impromptus and The Rite of

52:55

Spring, the least we can say is that

52:57

the stylistic difference is

53:00

a little more striking in one case than

53:01

in the other, why then this

53:03

relative stagnation for so many

53:05

years, that is to say since the shift

53:07

to analysis, well it is quite

53:09

simply because the similarities

53:10

between The different currents that the

53:12

tonhalle ism has generated, and which are

53:14

always presented to us as

53:16

distinct languages, even contrasted with one another,

53:18

these similarities are in fact much

53:20

more important than the divergences, and

53:23

all the positive definitions

53:25

that have been attempted to be given of these systems,

53:27

listing those found within them,

53:30

have never succeeded in describing them with as much

53:32

acuity as the simple statement of

53:34

their negative properties, which lists

53:36

those not found within them and which are

53:40

very clear: absence of tonality, absence

53:43

of regular pulse, absence of

53:45

melodies, absence of harmony. These are the

53:48

only points common to all the systems in which

53:51

taunoa is authorized. This being admitted, it

53:54

is obvious that we cannot go

53:55

further in terms of the 20th list; we cannot

53:59

go further than an absence in the

54:00

same way that we cannot descend

54:01

into... below absolute zero,

54:04

this explains why, while the

54:07

most romantic composers are

54:10

found at the end of Romanticism,

54:12

the most modern composers are

54:13

found at the beginning of Modernism. This is because

54:15

the Romantic ideal was amplified throughout the

54:18

19th century, whereas the

54:20

modern approach, by

54:23

constantly repeating it, can always be enhanced. One can always

54:26

add notes to scales, and

54:29

when listening, one

54:31

can always invent new

54:33

electronic noises, a new way of

54:36

playing the English horn or the bass clarinet, and

54:38

quarter tones can always be cut

54:40

into 8 or 16. In

54:42

any case, one will never produce the same effects that

54:44

Berne and his contemporaries produced for

54:46

the audiences of their time. Whatever

54:49

innovations

54:51

one boasts of having invented, one

54:54

can only reproduce this

54:56

contemporary style, which is no longer

54:57

new and is known by heart. This

55:00

means that those who are obsessed with this approach, both

55:01

in their

55:04

reconstruction of

55:05

music history and in their production, are obsessed with this approach.

55:06

The evolution towards ever greater

55:09

modernity

55:10

is now entangled in a choice

55:12

that would make them shudder with horror if they were to pause for

55:14

a moment:

55:16

either they repeat the modern gesture, which

55:19

is a century old (need we remind you?), or they

55:21

regress, that is to say, either they do

55:23

as before, or they do as before.

55:26

In both cases, whether they repeat or revert, they

55:29

are reactionary, nostalgic, or

55:31

revisionist; they are exactly what they have been accusing

55:35

their enemies of being for so many years. It turns out that

55:37

many are simply repeating the

55:39

retrograde modern gesture, but very timidly, very gently.

55:42

The recantations of both sides

55:45

are now so

55:47

numerous, especially in recent years,

55:49

that listing them would be tedious.

55:51

Let's simply note that the embryonic

55:52

melodic and harmonic patterns, the

55:55

occasional returns of the regular pulse, are

55:57

increasingly frequent, although

55:59

extremely timid among

56:00

contemporary artists—patently, and those that would have made them

56:02

shudder with horror

56:04

only a few years ago. So, if

56:06

reversion seems to be the only solution to this extent,

56:08

even its fiercest

56:11

opponents... They indulge in it against their will.

56:13

One can rightly argue

56:16

that the real difference between the neo-modernists and

56:18

the contemporary modernists is that, in a

56:20

convergent approach, the former are

56:22

simply much more radical than the

56:24

latter. Since radicalism is an

56:26

inalienable pillar of modernism, the

56:28

anti-modernists are therefore more modern than

56:30

the modernists.

56:32

This irresistible aporia highlights

56:36

the constitutive weaknesses of

56:38

modernist thought, whose theorists, to

56:40

my knowledge, did not foresee that it

56:42

contained within itself the terms of its own

56:44

denial. If being modern means rejecting

56:48

the norm, what should I do when

56:50

modernity has become the norm?

56:51

My professor

56:53

orders me to be modern while

56:56

explaining that being modern means

56:58

disobeying my professors. What should I

57:00

do? In

57:01

conclusion, in attempting to answer

57:04

these seemingly insoluble questions, I would like to

57:06

cite two

57:08

troubling testimonies that are, if I may say so, at opposite ends of the spectrum from the

57:11

modern misunderstanding,

57:14

and which come from two men of roughly

57:16

the same generation, each, in his own way, an

57:17

inventor. of the

57:19

aesthetic modernity that still prevails

57:22

in their respective fields—

57:23

I'm referring to Marcel Duchamp and

57:27

Arnold Schoenberg—Schoenberg, in 1947,

57:32

lamenting the poor reception

57:34

of one of his last works by

57:36

musicians, wrote to a friend, a conductor: "

57:39

The understanding of my

57:43

music always suffers from the fact that

57:45

musicians do not consider me a

57:47

normal, ordinary composer expressing

57:49

his new themes and melodies in a

57:51

musical language that is not

57:52

completely inadequate, but rather an

57:55

experimenter in modern,

57:58

dissonant dodecaphony. In fact," he continued, "there is

58:02

nothing I desire more ardently than to be

58:04

taken for a kind of

58:05

improved Tchaikovsky, or even for people to

58:08

know my melodies and hum them."

58:12

A few years later, in

58:15

1962, he wrote to Hans Richter: "I

58:18

threw the bottle rack and

58:21

the urinal in their faces as a

58:22

provocation,

58:23

and now they admire their aesthetic beauty.

58:28

In other words, the one who wants to be a

58:31

respectable successor is complaining."

58:33

To be mistaken for a revolutionary, and

58:35

he who aspires to be a revolutionary

58:37

complains of being mistaken for a

58:39

respectable successor; he who already aspires to be an icon laments

58:42

still being mistaken for an

58:44

iconoclast, and he who still aspires to be an

58:46

iconoclast laments already being mistaken

58:48

for an icon.

58:49

The fact that these two lamentations are

58:52

thus perfectly contradictory should

58:55

not obscure the unity of the

58:57

phenomenon of which they are the distant

58:58

consequence. For ultimately, whether this

59:01

20th-century art was created to continue the art

59:04

of the past (Schoenberg version) or to

59:07

take a brutal leave of it (

59:09

field version), in both cases it has not

59:11

succeeded. A hundred years later, one

59:15

still doesn't hum Schoenberg in the street,

59:16

and no one is

59:18

shocked by an industrial object displayed

59:20

in a museum anymore; it has become the norm.

59:22

Why then were these

59:26

opposing bets lost?

59:29

Simply because they were

59:30

based on one and the same

59:32

postulate: the abandonment of the language of the

59:35

past.

59:36

God laughs, wrote Bossuet, at those who

59:40

deplore the effects while cherishing

59:42

the causes; here the effects are

59:45

different and all deplorable, but the

59:47

cause is unique and doubly cherished:

59:49

the theoretical will to do away

59:52

with the mother tongue. The more

59:54

time passes, the

59:56

harder it will be to ignore the need to

59:59

revisit this abandonment of language,

1:00:00

since it is to this, and this alone, that we

1:00:03

owe all sorts of checks, of which these

1:00:04

two lamentations are but two

1:00:07

unfortunate testimonies. Since it is to this

1:00:08

abandonment of language that we owe,

1:00:11

in music—I hope I have at least partially

1:00:13

shown this—on the one hand, this

1:00:15

remarkable halt in the evolution of style, and on the

1:00:18

other hand, and concomitantly, the

1:00:20

massive and unprecedented disaffection

1:00:22

of performers and music lovers for the

1:00:24

contemporary repertoire.

1:00:25

In matters of art, we must not be afraid

1:00:28

of appearing reactionary if we do not want to

1:00:31

appear outdated tomorrow. It was Claude

1:00:33

Lévi-Strauss who wrote this. I propose

1:00:36

that we try to understand him, to

1:00:37

understand what he means by this,

1:00:39

perhaps with the help of Nietzsche, who

1:00:41

said Fertile, and the past engendering

1:00:44

the future—that, for me, is the meaning of the

1:00:46

present. Let us no longer

1:00:49

fear vice or the

1:00:51

ghosts that Pierre Boulez once

1:00:54

castigated, both saying that

1:00:56

music must not be tainted by

1:00:59

any stylistic reminiscences or

1:01:01

rents, nor by any patronage of the past.

1:01:04

So let us invite them back to our table to screw in

1:01:07

their ghosts and the pleasures that

1:01:08

go with them, chased away by an art so

1:01:11

obsessed with dusting off that one

1:01:13

might call it hygienic.

1:01:15

Will we ever, moreover, measure the

1:01:17

improbable fortune of the notion of

1:01:19

dusting off in

1:01:21

contemporary artistic apologetics? Let us then step back, yes, step back to leap forward,

1:01:24

and we will

1:01:25

see in a few years—I take

1:01:27

the bet here—that what still seems

1:01:30

today, in the eyes of some, to be

1:01:31

a reverse evolution will finally be taken

1:01:35

for what it truly was: a

1:01:37

revolution in the right direction. Thank you.

1:02:09

So I can take advantage of the fact that it

1:02:11

is a little late to say that I I didn't

1:02:13

ask any questions, a player from the crawl stroke.

1:02:15

The reason is actually very simple: I

1:02:18

completely agree with everything that has just been

1:02:19

said brilliantly and with a great deal of

1:02:21

humor. I thank him once again

1:02:23

for accepting my

1:02:25

invitation to come to this seminar. There weren't supposed to be any

1:02:28

courses or seminars

1:02:29

for a few sessions. I'll see you on

1:02:31

January 10th. I'll

1:02:34

talk to you about the noise

1:02:36

and music course and about the seminars.

1:02:39

I'll have the pleasure of welcoming Marie

1:02:41

Madeleine Mervans, who will talk to us

1:02:44

about sound in the theater. Thank you, I

1:02:47

wish you a good holiday, and first of all,

1:02:49

[Applause]

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