Charlie Kirk's Cameraman BREAKS HIS SILENCE After 13 Years | What He Revealed Ep. 189

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what is up everybody? Happy Saturday.

What's up, Mitchell? How you doing, man?

>> Dude, I am I'm fired up, man. I'm doing

well. Happy Saturday. Thanks for having

me on.

>> Yeah, dude. Welcome. Yeah, it was good

prepping before we went live, finding

some stuff that we're going to get to

share for the first time here on

YouTube. Um, well, welcome in everybody.

Welcome to another episode of the Black

Line Brief. I'm your host, Matthew

McCam. And tonight we have a very

special guest, Mitchell Meech Manley,

known on X, also as Artifacts memoir.

Meech is a Phoenix-based video producer,

photographer, and independent

commentator covering politics, culture,

and what he sees as the broader decline

of American society. His story is unique

because it is it isn't based on

secondhand reporting. It's based on over

a decade of firshand experience. He

began working with Turning Point USA as

a teenager and spent nearly 13 years

behind the camera alongside Charlie

Kirk, helping capture campus debates,

produce documentaries, and document the

rise of one of the most influential

conservative organizations in America.

After leaving TPUSA in 2023, he pursued

his passion for media and established

himself as a successful music

photographer. In 2024, he returned as

part of Charlie Kirk's uh contracted

media crew, serving as one of the three

primary camera operators responsible for

filming campus debates, major events,

and rallies, including operating a

broadcast camera at five President Trump

campaign rallies. Today, Meech is

writing two books. The first gambling

gooming and go slop the decline of the

American male explores the cultural,

spiritual and political forces reshaping

the next generation of young men. The

second is a memoir reflecting on his 13

years alongside Charlie Kirk and Turning

Point USA. In recent months, through his

long- form writing and commentary on X,

Meech has begun speaking publicly about

his experiences, offering firsthand

insight into the institutions he once

helped build and challenging narratives

he believes deserves closer scrutiny.

Please join me in welcoming Mitchell

Meech Manley to the Black Line Brief.

>> Yeah, thank you so much for having me,

Matt. I really appreciate it. Um, do

want to clarify, it's actually just

going to be one book. Um the title GGG

decline of the American Mail is kind of

the overworking title and then it's the

subtitle is like a a memoir and then

kind of just like a personal on what I

experienced there and and again kind of

why I'm speaking out which

>> yeah thank you for the introduction. Um

obviously as you said I I met Charlie

Kirk when I was 15 years old um and and

had the unique opportunity of kind of

having a hand in developing what became

Turning Point USA and and what it is

today. Um, which is is obviously part of

why I'm speaking out because I I don't

feel as though, you know, a lot of the

rhetoric that is coming from the

corporate institution that is Turning

Point, some of the the mouthpieces that

that, you know, are paid to speak for

them, however you want to call it, um,

reflect the, uh, the original values

that Charlie Kirk, you know, instilled

in the company and ultimately ultimately

gave his life uh, for. So, uh, I it's

it's been a crazy, you know, life, crazy

career. I never wanted to be in this

position, you know, in front of the

camera. I I have always been behind the

camera for a reason because I I didn't

want to do this. But, um, you know, I

think that in times like these are are

when the things that people say and then

the values that they claim to uphold and

believe really get put to the test

because, uh, you know, this this does

feel like a very dark hour for our

nation's history. And it's it's in times

like those when your values are put to

the test. And you know, a lot of people

that I have worked closely with over the

years, I I thought would do the right

thing, would stand for truth, would ask

the tough questions, even even if it was

the hard thing to do, even if it cost

them a job. And and you know, that's

part of what's happened to me. But but

again, I'm doing this because it's

right, not because, you know, I have any

any ulterior motives, any financial

interest in this. Um, it actually has

impacted me financially as well. So, you

know, that's that's just kind of a an an

overarching view of kind of who I am, my

story, but thanks again for having me

on. I really do appreciate it.

>> Yeah. No, I'm stoked to have you here,

man. Um, watching you and being part of

some of the X spaces and listening to

you tell your story from personal

experience over 13 years with Charlie

from the early years, right? And then uh

you knowing a lot of these people

personally um and seeing what Turning

Point was while Charlie was still alive,

the evolution of him, especially in the

last few years like from 2023 to 2025

and then watching what they've done to

TP USA in the wake of his assassination

since September 10th. Um, it's I'm so

glad that people like you. Like we had

Aubrey Leech come out and then she kind

of went through the ringer, you know,

and I I can imagine why she's kind of

been a a little bit more quiet since

then. Um, but I'm glad that there's good

people that are willing to take the risk

and and come out and speak the truth,

you know.

>> No, it it has to be done, I think. And

um you know, it's one of those things

that if more good people were willing to

stand in times like these and and speak

the things that I know that they're

feeling inside, then we wouldn't have

the media machine attacking people such

as Aubrey and um you know, potentially

myself. And I haven't really faced too

much scrutiny yet. I've had a couple

instances of it. But um it's one of

those things that also for me I am aware

of, I'm expectant of, right? We are in a

political world. We're in a political

society, so we should expect these sorts

of things. Um, but also I feel as though

I'm I'm standing on the side of truth,

on the on the side of Christ, and and

these people aren't. And when you do

that, it's very easy. Um, you know, at

first I I kind of posted the things that

I said and I was kind of worried. I was

like, dang, do I have, you know, is

there anything else I have to say? Do I

have any anything else to add to the to

the conversation? And I found that the

more that these people lie, the more I'm

able to just kind of respond to them

from from the from the point of truth.

And um

>> you know, it sounds crazy, but the more

that people lie,

>> uh the easier it gets to to kind of tear

those lies down. And I think we're

seeing that kind of take place right

now.

>> Yeah. And I think too um watching like

once you start telling a lie uh then you

have to tell more lies to cover that lie

up and then it just becomes so intricate

and difficult especially with these

idiots that are doing it. Um they slip

up so much. Um and then it's great to

have people that actually can speak

about the real experience of being there

and knowing that they're lying. Um, and

there's, uh, people like Matthew

Tuterone, who also is really honing in

on Tyler Ber. Um, which is someone

you've honed in on as well. Um, and I

agree when you really look into who

Tyler Ber is, his family, Terrell

Farnsworth, Arizona, LDS, the political

uh, connections that those families have

in Arizona, right? He was being uh,

investigated, prosecuted, and then he

got a pardon. um campaign finance issues

and then now we have finance issues

within Turning Point and you're like,

"Oh, and who was there do?" Oh, that was

Tyler. And who's here? Oh, it's Tyler.

Oh, okay. Um I really think that as we

pull on that thread, um we're start

we're going to get to more of the bottom

of this. I think

>> Yeah, I think I think that you're 100%

right. It's why I have been, you know,

kind of applying as much pressure as I

have. It's why his statements were the

ones that made me speak out to begin

with. Right. I uh again I had for the

last nine months, 10 months kept my head

in the sand, so to speak. Stayed off

Twitter uh because I was upset. I was

frustrated. Um deep down inside I I knew

what had happened, which I believe we've

kind of begin to pull the the truth and

the the the mask off of, if you will,

and reveal the truth on that, which is

that this was more than likely um a very

deep state conspiracy. Um potentially

working with with those, you know,

aligned with the nation state of Israel.

um to silence a man who was being very

openly critical of our nation's um

alignment with them, our nation's

partnership with them. And I think that,

you know, the more that people

such as Tyler Ber uh uh run from

accountability, run from basic

questions, right? that and that's all it

was for me was he put out a tweet around

the time of the women's leadership

summit that they just had last month and

you know is it was a very watered down

kind of many weren't around at the start

of turning point and and this is what it

was about and you know I kind of just

replied and I was like Tyler this like

yes this is part of it but but you're

missing the root like like what made

Charlie Charlie you're missing

everything really. And um you know, I

threw in a clip of Charlie as well. And

and that's again something I'm I'm

trying to do. I'm not doing this for me.

I'm doing this because I watched someone

I considered a very close friend and and

mentor and ally to like get get murdered

in broad daylight. And the people who

were right there alongside him saying we

need to ask questions all the time. We

have to hold the government accountable.

You know, specifically in the instance

of JFK are now doing a complete 180 and

and not doing that. So for me, I I

genuinely am coming at this from from a

place of of good faith and and just

wanting to get to the root of it. And it

seems that those who have benefited the

most in the wake of Charlie's uh like

unfortunate demise are the ones also now

telling us to not ask questions to trust

the government to you know just trust

the evidence when again for years these

were the same people who were calling

themselves thought criminals who were

you know covering the Kenosha trial

backing Kyle Writtenhouse while the

media machine came after him and labeled

him guilty before he even faced a jury.

And I think that the parallels there,

you know, are hypocritical. And the

whole time all we see is Tyler Boyer

working in turning point action pushing

people to the next election while we're

not even holding this administration

accountable. You know, that's the

question I have for Tyler is why would

anyone my age in this generation who's

watched what has just taken place, who's

watched what the administration did to

Charlie, and in the wake of his death,

why would I ever vote Republican again?

Yeah. When when when all they do is

betray us the minute they get power. And

the one person who was supposed to be

the one holding them accountable. The

one person who trusted them the most to

get them into office. That's why we

campaigned for you guys as hard as we

did. That's why we went to 40 campuses

together. You guys were supposed to not

go to a new war. You guys were supposed

to give us the truth on the Epstein

files. You guys were supposed to do mass

deportations. You guys were supposed to

do a lot of things that in the wake of

Charlie Kirk's death, you're not doing.

Well, why are you not doing that? Right.

I don't care really about the what. I I

I I am much more of a why. I just keep

asking questions. I never shut up, Matt.

I will never stop asking questions.

Charlie taught me to do that from 15

years old. Right. Yeah.

>> So, I get to the why. And I think I

think we're beginning to uncover a

larger part of that why, right? And I

think many people know what that why is.

They're just afraid to say it out loud

because they saw what happened to

Charlie. They've seen what happened to

people like me. This media machine is

vicious. It does not want the truth to

get out there. But as we get Christians

know, the truth will set us free. And

and the truth will inevitably be be

revealed. And I think we are slowly

getting there. And the clip that we

found, you know, just a couple minutes

ago when uh we were we were kind of

talking I think is is a large part of

that truth.

>> Yeah. And we're going to play it here in

a minute. Um yeah, I've said this a

couple times, you know, uh Turning Point

and like Real America's Voice, the

Charlie Kirk show, like that whole

apparatus is the new Fox News.

>> Well, I think that it's it's actually

going to be much larger than that. And I

think that if uh we look at the

financial backings of it, we look at the

also the foreign interest backing. I

brought this up yesterday when I was

speaking with Constitution. Uh you know,

Salem Media is working with Brad Parcal

who's a registered foreign agent and

what foreign country are they working

for the nation state of Israel, right?

And so

>> you know the as Charlie said in that

clip in 2023, um you know, you can label

someone as Elon Musk an anti-semite. You

could label Charlie Kirk an anti-semite.

you can, you know, try and kill him for

for, you know, what he was saying. And

and as we now know from Blake Nef, he

had confirmed that he was in fact

leaving the Israel lobby. That was going

to happen. Um,

you can label me an anti-semite if you

want. Um, your labels mean nothing to me

when you when you work for Satan. And

um, again, I stand for Christ. I know

what you did to our Lord and Savior

Jesus Christ. So So these actions do not

surprise me. And that's the thing I want

Christians to hear is that guys, we have

to be realists with this. We are in a

spiritual war. Politics is the front

that they are using to wage the

spiritual war on good-hearted

Christians. There are millions of

Christians who are deceived that are

sitting in churches every Sunday that

that push Zionism ultimately which which

at the end of the day uh uh worships the

same death cult that that crucified our

Lord and Savior Jesus. And and that's

why I keep saying the time for spiritual

discernment is is now. We have to be

thinking critically. We have to be using

the very complex brains that God gave

us. We cannot be letting these people

who get paid to lie to us lie and get

away with it and reshape our society.

This is the hour of crisis as far as

I've seen it. I'm 27 years old, but like

I don't know. I I I feel like this trial

and everything that that has ensued from

Charlie's assassination, the chaos is

what the deep state is using to install

this new world order that that we now

know is three and a half years out,

2030, right? Like everyone forgets that.

You know, everyone was panicking about

it back in 2020. Now we're six years in,

six and a half, right? And uh 2030 is

right around the corner. You guys think

that that that the that the intelligence

agencies and everyone, you know, the

World Economic Forum, all these people

just stopped advancing that that because

you forgot about it. No. In fact,

they're very happy you forgot about it.

They're also using this moment to

distract you from a lot of that and

they're they're ushering in things under

your noses that you guys don't realize

is happening while you're focused on on

the 80 different distractions that

Paramount Tactical and all the rest are

feeding you. Right? This is this is an

information war. This is a

disinformation war. We are in the middle

of it. We've been in the middle of it

for years. Charlie was the leading voice

in that fight and they silenced him. And

I'm not going to sit here and and let

them lie and turn him in to a prop for

this illegitimate establishment. I

refuse to do it. I'm sorry.

>> Yeah. And honestly, like uh I followed

Charlie, you know, for years. And I

believed what he believed about Trump,

right? I I I knew that.

>> We all did. We all did.

>> Yeah. and like him being um an honest,

good um you know, a man of integrity, uh

someone to look up to. Uh not Trump,

Charlie.

>> Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah.

>> And that he knew JD and Trump personally

and that there's no way Charlie would

have got out there and told us that we

can, you know, to vote for them and to

believe in them unless he believed it

himself. He wasn't lying to us. He truly

believed that JD and Trump were going to

follow through on all their promises.

And I was saying this last night that if

Charlie was alive, they had to do

September 10th. It had to be then

because if he was alive for Venezuela,

if he was alive for no epifile release

and if he was alive for the actual war,

not just the freaking midnight hammer

war, the real war, the regime change

war, which him and all of his, you know,

guys on Thought Crime were saying.

They're like, "If if they tried to talk

us into a regime change war, we got a

problem. There's a big issue there. If

Charlie would have been alive for that

and we would have had Candace, Megan,

Tucker, Charlie all going at the same

time, like it it would have been so bad.

It would have been so bad for them."

>> No, this was this was a a warning um to

everyone in that circle. It was a

warning to Megan Kelly. It was a warning

to Jack Poic. It was a warning to all of

these people.

>> Stop.

>> Yep.

>> Look what we can do to you.

>> Right. You want you want to you want to

not get in line now that we're in power.

Look what we will do to you. And again,

it goes back to what Charlie said time

and time again in relation to Butler,

right? Look what they want. This goes

back to he trusted them to not cowto and

bend the knee.

>> Right. He trusted this deep state to or

he trusted this administration to be

able to actually combat this deep state.

I I don't know if it's possible at this

point. I truly question that. That that

brings me to a larger point we might get

to later, but like Yes. And and I think

you see it most in in the Tucker Carlson

interview he did, you know, a couple

weeks before his death. He goes on the

record and says how much he trusts Cash

Patel, how much he trusts Pam Bondi, how

much he trusts everyone to clean house,

basically to give us this new country

that we were promised, right? Which

we're now learning was a pipe dream. Um

to get us here, to get us to this point

of division and chaos that they can just

usher in whatever they want without any

of us noticing, right? And then by then

it'll be too late. By then you won't

have you won't have the same freedoms

you had, you know, 10 years ago. That's

it goes back to the Tim Tim Dylan clip

that that I love that he did a a couple

months back. Like it's it is so apparent

to me and and yet it is so effective at

the same time because these people are

are legendary deceivers, right? They are

demons in my opinion. Like I said, we

are in a spiritual war. And so people

say all the time, you know, to try and

and and combat my viewpoint, you know,

Charlie Kirk was such an intelligent man

by by attacking Erica. you are and and

those in his circle, you are you are

saying that he wasn't smart enough to

see their character. And um I think it's

one of those things where no I think if

we look at what happened to the entire

American population. We all were

deceived. Charlie himself and and if you

look at history, it's it's very naive to

think that that the greatest men

throughout history, the smartest men

have never been deceived in spite of

their intelligence, in spite of how

effective they are, right? that that

that is at the core of all historic

struggles is betrayal and mutinies and

and Julius Caesar like just just look at

Julius Caesar for example right it's

it's Julius Caesar was one of the most

effective people they still got him

right and so I think that you know for

everyone using that as a defense again

it's disinformation we're in a

disinformation war and and I would not

be doing what I'm doing if I didn't

think that this moment in our nation's

history is important I think that you

know in 1775 five there was a shah heard

around the world um and it led to the

foundation of this nation that that has

been an experiment up until this point

and it still is it's it's a test right

and there's a sense in which the

intelligence agencies are always testing

us and I think that this is a litmus

test in many ways for what we will

tolerate as people but you know in 1775

we had that and then in 2025 we had a

shot shot if you want to call it that

that was seen around the world and uh

instantly mind you uh we didn't have

newspap we didn't need newspapers we

have cell phones now And so, you know,

7076, it's now 2026, 250 years. I think

that God is giving us a time to pause

and reflect. I think that as the

government and everyone who is afraid of

them is speaking and saying, "China is

our enemy. Communism is our enemy." when

Charlie Kirk, the man that just got

brutally executed in broad daylight in

public, uh, was, you know, three months

before his death, saying the imminent

threat to our nation is the deep state

is this apparatus that creates events of

national of chaos and stages, you know,

national trauma events in such as

Butler, right, to to push whatever it

is. This is so complex that it is so

difficult to tear down and they use

force to intimidate and fear to keep

people from getting to the truth. Well,

Matt, fear is not from our Lord. Like,

it's not. And that's that's why I'm

speaking up now because for so long I

was afraid and I finally realized fear

is not from our Lord. And um you know,

this this earth is temporal. And I hope

that these people are having as much fun

as they want here because because I do

genuinely think that they will be judged

for this uh their actions here in the

next life. But, you know, that it's just

insane to me where we're at and and and

I I I truly hope that people stop

focusing on on the smaller issues and

and truly kind of pay attention to what

part of the timeline they're in because

uh it it does seem to be escalating very

quickly to me.

>> Yeah. I mean, there's so much I want to

say about that, so I got to find a way

to uh weave it so that I don't miss any

parts. Um, I was always drawn to like

the 19, you know, well, World War II,

but then in the wake of World War II,

right, when the OSS became like the CIA,

um, Operation Paperclip and the, you

know, the scientists that we brought

over. But then I'm really fascinated

with JFK and what you see is the

institutions and the power structures

that he was running up against um that

ultimately I believe are uh responsible

for his assassination are one in the

same that Charlie was running up against

you know uh when you talk about the are

here in the United States the intel

agencies. So he said JFK was like, "I'm

going to break him apart and scatter

them to the wind." Right. Um Charlie

said on Tucker, "This is one of if not

the biggest issue here for us right

now." Okay. And then talking about

Israel, JFK was not wanting them to have

a nuclear program. He was going to um

you know uh do inspections, uh making

them register as foreign agents. They

weren't having that. And then obviously

after he got assassinated, LBJ undid all

that. Right. Similarly, um Charlie

taking on um Israel. I mean, not in the

way that like I think some people are

making it out to be. Obviously, I think

that biblically he still believed that

there was some part of us as Christians

that should support like true Jewish

people, right? Not like the Lood Party,

you know, extreme like neocon versions

of the, you know, Israel political

government, right? Um because he did

have an affinity for Israel, right? and

the the birthplace of Jesus and like

where the Bible was, you know, where it

happened. uh but definitely was was

asking the right questions about their

involvement here, their control and

their purchasing of our politicians and

getting us to sign signing us up for

foreign wars where we lose thousands and

thousands of servicemen and women and

they don't where they lie to us and say

that we have weapons of mass destruction

in in Iran in Iraq and there's nothing

and then they're like, "Oh, we're, you

know, since 1996." BB's like, "Yeah,

they're just two weeks away from a

nuclear bomb." And then he just he just

repeats that. Have you seen that montage

of him like every time it for 30 years?

>> Yeah.

>> And then we bomb him in Midnight Hammer

and they're like success. We did it.

>> And and I and I want to point out

something about Midnight Hammer because

it is something that people use to

discredit Charlie. And it's that well

Charlie blindly trusted President Trump

when we bombed, you know, Iran in 2020

or 2025 and destroyed their nuclear.

Well, that's the thing, right? And it

still exists on the White House. They

put out a statement that said, "We

totally destroyed their nuclear

program." Y

>> So, okay, I watched I watched Charlie's

stream that night. He was he was very

much like, "This is an escalation. We

didn't vote for this. We're going to

trust the president's judgment on this

>> and we need to be careful." Like like we

need to be careful. This this may have

been necessary, but we're going to see

what happens after. We're going to trust

his intelligence. And then they told us

that they destroyed the nuclear uh

facilities. So until Charlie died, he

was under the impression that like there

wasn't really a need for a war in Iran.

And then if you go back, you know, a

couple months prior, you see that

16-minute video that I also have on my

profile, which is Charlie just laying

out why we do not need another war, why

we shouldn't go to war in Iran. He calls

Lindsey Graham pathologically insane.

And now we have, you know, the people in

his studio, Blake Nef, writing puff

pieces on Lindsey Graham after his

death. Isn't that crazy?

>> It's it's insane. And and that gets me

to my deeper point, which I don't think

anyone's talking about, which is that

this feels like a managed decline of the

biggest threat to the deep state by the

deep state itself. I think that many of

these people are operating um

intentionally because their their

statements are so blatantly not in line

with the statements Charlie was making

right before his death that it seems

like they're walking it back. And and of

course, right, if you think about

intelligence agencies and how they

operate, um they're always focused on

who? The next generation, because once

your brain gets past a certain point,

it's no longer malleable. I'm very

blessed to have been able to have spent

my entire young adult life around

Charlie Kirk. So, my brain operates a

little bit differently than the average

American. Um, but that's not the case

for many people. And Charlie Kirk and

his organization was at a point where he

was going to a college campus and

pulling crowds of 1,000 to 3,000

students.

>> Yeah.

>> And that's the reason we got the

administration we did. That's the reason

we got the mandate that we did. And

that's also why the intelligence

agencies that have been so focused on

propping up the same institution that

began in my opinion uh after the

reconstruction of Germany and the

foundation of the nation state of Israel

right around the time of the end of

World War II as well. You said you're a

history guy. It's going to be part of my

book. But that that's what this is all

about. This is this is so much not

about, you know, the left or le or

trannies or anything like that, right?

is this is so much more a a deeper issue

a a philosophical fundamental

nationbreaking issue that they don't

want us talking about and that's the

reason why and because because for the

last I don't know at least 40 years our

nation has been controlled and subverted

by these people who don't want us

talking about the exact things that I am

right now

>> 100%. And what's crazy is too like so

Jack Pobic, Blake Nef, Andrew Kovit,

Tyler Boyer, they were on thought crime

in July.

>> Oh I know. I posted that video like I

think I was the one who put that up

first. I played we played it here um I

don't know a month or a couple weeks ago

>> and that's where they call Zalinsky a

tranny I think right it's just like that

these are the type of people that are

now labeling myself Candace Owens who

was one of Charlie's very early friends

you know conspiracy theorists for

questioning our government when again if

you if you look at the media matters

clip I played Charlie Kirk wasn't even

the biggest voice saying these things

Elon Musk

>> was agreeing these things back in 2023

but now

>> I just got censored two days ago on

Twitter for saying the same thing that

Charlie Kirk said two days before he

died, which is that the Jews run the

media. So,

>> wait, what happened on X? You got

censored.

>> I I put out a tweet a couple days ago or

a couple months back that was like uh

the Jews run the media and uh they they

have enough money to put whoever they

want into office. So, you know, clearly

this and I said that and it got struck

by X as inciting violence. So, how can

Elon Musk three years ago agree with

Charlie Kirk that that that Jewish

groups are inciting violence against

whites? But now I get on X and say the

same thing that Charlie Kirk said uh a

couple days before his death to Ben

Shapiro and now I'm I'm getting silenced

on X and you expect me to sit here and

listen to you when you tell me this is a

lone shooter narrative. This isn't a

larger conspiracy theory to silence

voices that are speaking about

anti-semitism and these issues

articulately and in a way that is not

that does not match your label of of me

being whatever you want to try and throw

my way. It it doesn't add up because

listen to the words I'm saying. I'm not

hateful. I'm not I'm not anything. I am

I am very much rooted in reality. I'm

intellectual. I'm smart. I spent 13

years working for Charlie Kirk. So, I'm

not the enemy of the state you're going

to try to label me as. Like, neither is

Tucker Carlson. Neither is Candace

Owens. is Joe Kent. None of these people

are. That's why Joe Kent and I are are

talking because like this is it is it is

not political anymore. They're using

politics to divide us as they always

have. The issue is the masks are off.

The the demons are are out on stage and

they are here to keep their power. It is

time for Christians to get involved. I'm

serious. Like I I I don't want I like we

can't do this alone. We can't we will

lose this country. They like it it will

happen.

>> Yeah. Yeah. 100%. I had this thought and

I lost it. I was like trying to get it

back. Uh what we were talking about at

the beginning of that statement of

yours.

>> I know. I'm sorry. We keep going down

tangents.

>> No, no, no, no. You're good. You're

good. Uh it'll come back to me at some

point. It always does. Um why don't we

hop into the clip that you found? Oh,

yeah. I remember now. I knew it. Yes, I

got it. Okay. Um so, Elon Musk was being

labeled an anti-semite. Uh Charlie like

retweets him and actually talks about it

on his show. Do you know what happened

to Elon uh after in order to get him not

being labeled an anti-semite anymore? Do

you know what he had to do?

>> Well, I'm sure it's the same thing that

happened to Kanye West when they labeled

him an anti-semite, which is he had to

go meet with a very specific council of

a, you know, very specific religious

group that just so happened to all be

Jewish and make some very private public

apologies. I'm sure like a combination

of the two. I I don't know what happened

to Elon, but maybe

>> guess who accompanied him to Israel and

on his like

>> I remember this now. I remember he was

giving the tour. That's right. That's

right. He was

>> Yeah. And then guess who guess who

Charlie Kirk's security called uh on the

way to the hospital

>> and Shapiro? Yeah.

>> So again, you expect me to not notice

these these connections here, guys? you

you are you are the ones who are liars

and and and conspiracy theorists because

the theory that you are presenting is a

lie and it's not true. Yeah. The the the

a 20-year-old male does not hate Charlie

Kirk enough to go ruin his life for the

rest of his life like that. I'm sorry.

It's just there like

>> that it just is so unfathomable to me.

But if you look at the threat that

Charlie Kirk posed to the deep state in

the way that I have just presented and

continue presenting, that is the most

believable motive in my opinion.

>> Yeah, 100%. And Charlie said himself on

the um 10X conference with Grant Cardone

that he wasn't afraid of any

purple-haired jihadist leftists. He said

that the people that concerned him the

most were people on his inner circle.

People that were close to him, people

that deceived him, betrayed him, um lied

to him or told him he couldn't or

shouldn't do something or wouldn't like

amount to anything. You know, he said

that himself. And furthermore, in Lance

Twigs's own interview, he said that

Tyler uh Robinson never even brought up

Charlie's name. Never never talked about

transgender

ideology. Um never. It never came up.

Lance Twigs himself said that the only

thing that Tyler spoke to him about was

like

>> some political legislation things that

were either being voted or not being

voted in because I guess on the way to

work Tyler would ride in this like work

van with his, you know, co-workers and

they would listen to some political

radio show. but that he was supposedly

radicalized to the degree that he

planned this assassination in a week and

a half or two weeks. Um, and pulled off

the assassination of our c of a century

or our lifetime and then never ever

brought anything up to his boyfriend

who's he's living with. That just

doesn't make any sense to me. Like never

said Charlie's name.

>> Well, what also doesn't make sense is

now that we've learned that the FBI had

prior knowledge thanks to Andrew Kvette.

um you know they they sent allegedly

threatening texts and Tik Toks and such

to the FBI beforehand before the

shooting happened is what Blake said the

other night ago. So,

>> so if that's the case then, um, why I

just have questions like why weren't

protective measures taken, preventive

measures, and then if they weren't

taken, right, if Andrew Kovette knew

that they weren't taken, why did he even

let Charlie still go out to the tent if

they had threats already, right? So,

those those two things kind of again

indicated a deep state involvement to me

that that they're trying to get us all

to ignore and not think about and not

pay attention to. Again, I've raised

these questions publicly to almost all

the people we're talking about. while

they're happy to, you know, publicly try

and roast other people, all I get is

blocked and ignored. So, I think there's

kind of a reason there as well. Um,

>> and so I like it it it is just

insane to me that that these people I

think they overplayed their hand too in

a sense. It's like how how are you going

to,

>> you know, try to take out the guy who

told us all to question our government

relentlessly? Just like I don't know.

But I want to get back to your point,

which is, you know, the the threat

aspect. Like if Charlie Kirk was afraid

of leftists, you know, murdering him in

public,

>> I don't think he would be going to a

college campus and letting a crowd of

like 3,000 people come 10 feet in front

of him. I'll be honest with you, as

someone who toured with him, that was my

biggest fear was somebody coming up

point blank having something concealed

and just bang like because that's

>> that's, you know, logically the easiest

thing. Like, you know what I mean? just

and and as someone who sat be with my

back turned to the crowd and facing

Charlie, I would be, you know, right

there if he misses, god forbid, you

know, it's just things you think about

when you're in this environment every

day.

>> Sure.

>> And I remember there was an event that

kind of we had to tear down. I think I

posted a clip from it actually the other

day. um kind of like an unedited minute

and a half of just Charlie in his

element on these tours because because

it was something that I don't think a

lot of people understand like the the

energy that he brought the the change

that he was making in young people's

lives because again this was more than

politics. This was spiritual. He was

bringing people to Christ and and

getting people to think critically and

logically about the world that they're

in to break out from the brainwashing.

His tour was called You're being

brainwashed like that. Like like again

and look at what they're trying to do to

us now with this tour. They are trying

to brainwash you. I promise you that's

what's happening. Like that is what's

happening. This is an this is a scop on

a national level that that is is there

are multiple layers to it. It's being

used. They are using it and then and and

doing it in many different ways. But you

know Charlie Kirk if he was afraid of

leftists wouldn't go tour on college

campuses in the way that he did. He just

wouldn't if it and you know they would

have a much higher

>> security apparatus if that was the case.

And that wasn't the case. you know, the

guys that toured with him, the security

guys, I I know a lot of them. I worked

very closely like alongside them, right?

As far as I was concerned, I thought

they all would take a bullet for Charlie

if it came to that, right? Granted, the

way we saw it play out, they didn't have

an opportunity to. So, there's, you

know, questions I have, you know, about

the the measures that were taken after

and and the decisions that were made,

obviously, as any logical person who

really cared about Charlie, I feel like

would. Um, and that again is just the

deeper reason of why I'm I'm doing what

I'm doing because I waited 9 months to

kind of observe and just kind of see. I

wanted to trust that these people who

came out initially and said certain

things were going to do the things that

they said were going to uphold the

values and and the work that this man

had given his life for. the fight that

we are in the middle of that we are on

the brink of of honestly losing and and

I don't think many realized it to be

honest because uh again it is it is

disinformation. We're in a

disinformation war and and that's why

I'm I'm just trying to get this message

out as best I can because uh I feel like

the time is is is very much of the

essence.

>> Well, I think that's a good time to pull

on that thread. So, um why don't you

take us back to and you can do a brief

recap of the early days. um and when you

were there and what it was like, but

really how it started to change in about

2018,

right? That's when like Erica Kirk came

in the picture. That's when um

>> I think it was later than that actually,

dude. Like it was it was more like 2021,

2020. Like it really wasn't until then.

Yeah. Even like the the reshaping like

all those people didn't get brought in

until much later on really.

>> Well, Andrew Kov came in in 2018 and

then

>> he wasn't like he wasn't like an

influential person then. That's what I'm

saying. like these people were were

brought in and then slowly like

>> brought up into positions of influence

and they all ended up where they are

now. Yeah. They were all picked by

Tyler.

>> I mean, Tyler's the reason that Erica

and Charlie know each other.

>> I wanted to ask you. So, Dang it. I

should just let you take us through it,

but I was just if I forget, I just want

to get it out there. that manufactured

crisis that Charlie had where he

couldn't resolve it on his own and then

had to reach out to Andrew even though

Andrew had already given Charlie his

number and Charlie was ghosting him. But

then there was this crisis that happened

that he couldn't resolve and then that's

how Andrew came in the picture. Correct.

>> Yeah. I don't I don't really know how he

got brought in. It all felt very

suspicious to me. Again,

>> I'll give you kind of my perspective of

what I witnessed in 2018. None of these

people were in involved. Um Tyler had

handpicked this girl who just graduated

from TCU. Her name was Sarah. Um she was

kind of going to run the media side of

things for Charlie. It eventually turned

into what is now the media department at

Turning Point and then the Charlie Kirk

show. They're now separate entities.

They were kind of run interchangeably in

the early days as Charlie was figuring

his stuff out. You know, the breakdown

of things, whatever. Um but you know, in

2020, the Charlie Kirk show was still

pretty unknown. Co had just kind of

happened. We had the election.

>> Y

>> Trump lost. But that's I think I keep

going back to this. That's this is when

like people started paying attention and

and you know, Charlie kind of first got

his first push of of real institutional

eyes, I think, and and you know, money

and power, whatever during Stop the

Steel, you know, I was working for the

Charlie Kirk show and and was running

his email freedom.com

as a as a college student, as an intern.

Um, and you know, I watched this email

inbox get 60,000 emails in the span of

like two days. And that's because

Charlie and Tyler were going live for

four to six hours every night after

Charlie had already done his daily

stream and everything else. They would

get back on the air and do election

coverage.

>> Wow.

>> And no one was doing that at the time.

Right. At the time, this was historic.

And that's why we had so many people

reach out to us. And on top of that, we

got a massive influx of money. People

were sending us money like no tomorrow

because again, we're a nonprofit.

Charlie's doing this on his own. We're

independent. We're not establishment at

this point. We're very much just

grassroots fighting our own fight. You

know, a lot of the people I ended up

touring with were still the guys doing

the show who are still doing it today,

right? So, again, it was it was all just

what it was. It was a family. We all we

were all in this fight together, right?

And uh from there, you know, it started

to evolve, right? And then from there,

Mikey McCoy and Pastor Rob McCoy got

brought into the mix. And then, you

know, slowly Andrew Kovvette kind of

gets introduced, but he wasn't around

really, at least from what I know, until

like 2020, 2021. And by then, I was

already an employee of Turning Point

USA, and they had kind of begun

integrating him on that side of things.

But I put out a tweet the other day

where, [clears throat] you know, as far

back as 2021, I feel like this whole

thing, Charlie's, you know, approach on

the Israel issue, um, was being managed

by people like Tyler and Andrew. Because

>> for sure

>> in 2021, I was the producer on a show

called Debate Night with Charlie Kirk,

>> and we were trying to get guests to come

debate Charlie.

>> And if you go back to 2021,

>> who is like one of the loudest voices

begging Charlie to debate him is Nick

Fuentes.

>> So,

At the time, Tyler had gotten in the

chat and I have screenshots of it and he

said, "We should consider trolls with

big followings to debate Charlie." And

at first I, you know, considered I was

like, "Dude, we should just, you know,

debate Nick." I presented my case and,

you know, Andrew Kovette was added to

the chat earlier as well. And, you know,

you can look through some of the

screenshots and he they weren't the ones

who, you know, nixed it. They just said,

"No, Nick Fuentes." But it was again,

someone who was chosen by Tyler to be in

the position he was managing Charlie's

side of things. Charlie was not in the

chat at all. He had no input on who he

wanted to debate. You know, it was very

much managed and uh I think they ran

list by him eventually, but it wasn't

>> I I don't think they ever asked him. And

at the time, he didn't want to debate

Nick either. You know, it was very much

just something that I was like, "Hey,

you know, maybe you guys should think

about this." And they shut it down

quickly. But

>> it gets to the greater point of what I

think we're seeing now, right? Which is

Nick Fuentes is now agreeing with these

people, Jack Pobic and and Ben Shapiro.

And

>> you know, trust the lone shooter. these

people aren't talking about the things

the right way. Like we all know that

these people are are being paid by

another interest. And so, um, you know,

I think that that of all things is

what's so telling here is that Charlie

was the strongest force against these

people and they knew it. And that's why

right now we are seeing desperate

measures, right? We saw that with with

what happened last week or two weeks

ago. I'm losing track of time at this

point, but when when Jack Basobic

blatantly lied to the American public

and attacked, you know, justice outright

um and then hundreds of people who are

aligned or even not aligned with him,

they get paid by the same media machine,

same Zionist media machine, um amplified

those lies and they all uh in my opinion

waged war on America. They declared

themselves enemies of the republic and

um that's again what I'm saying. They

they don't want you to look at their

actions that way. They don't want you to

think about it that way, but that is

what it is. You know, we need we need to

be point blank about it. We need to be

direct.

>> Uh no one is articulate anymore. It

seems it seems like our national

rhetoric levels have fallen to uh below

sea levels. But um you know, and that's

how they lie. That's how they deceive.

They use double speak. And um that's

leftist behavior at the end of the day.

But what's leftism? It's it's just you

hate America, right? And so that's I

think at the core of what this comes

down to. You hate Christ, you hate

America. and those who hate Christ and

Hate America killed Charlie Kirk. Um,

and I don't think that that person

necessarily was Tyler Robinson. And if

it was, I don't think that he acted

alone. And I I think that Andrew

Kovette, you know, is the first person

we have to ask about that because he was

in talks with the FBI before and and

Charlie still ended up dead. So, I still

just want to know why. And I would I

would love Andrew Kovette. You can

answer me whenever, but I don't think he

will because he blocked me. [snorts]

>> Yeah, that's how they roll. Um, yeah.

I'm interested in how like after he got

in, when did he become like part owner

of the, you know, Charlie Kirk show,

>> how did he work his way up?

>> Well, I think that's we're going to get

there eventually when we start digging

into the financials of some of these

shadow LLC's that these people have. Um,

I I don't know. I'll be honest. I think

that uh I think that we have to look

into Resolute Media which we now know

has ties back to Israel uh via Clock

Tower LLC.

>> Yeah. Which is also Havas Media Group

and

>> Salem and it's all this network, right?

And um I think

>> you know at a greater level this is all

a part of the Greater Israel Project um

which

>> you know they'll call you a conspiracy

theorist for saying it until it happens

and then it's real, right? Um,

>> kind of like the same thing that's

happening with the Charlie Kirk

assassination theories. Um, but I

digress. And you know, I think they talk

about motives. What motive did uh the

left have for killing Charlie Kirk? What

did the left gain from killing Charlie

Kirk? Right.

>> I don't I haven't seen any wins from the

left. If anything, all I've seen is the

right steamrolling us in a way that

feels honestly almost tyrannical. and uh

and and because we did not vote for any

of these things and when we try to hold

them accountable, they tell us to shut

up and they threaten declaring us

enemies of the state and terrorists. And

now they're using rhetoric such as

communism to label anyone who questions

things such as what happened to Charlie

Kirk, such as Israel's uh you know, very

obvious subversion of our nation and

politicians. Um they'll label you a

communist, Antifa, enemies of the state.

We saw Blake Nef doing it at Amfest. Um,

and it's it's it's it's akin to that.

What they're doing to me is akin to

terrorism. You are waging war on

America. You guys are attacking you guys

are attacking the foundational pillars

of this republic and you're claiming to

love the country while you do it. That's

what makes it so deceptive. That's why

I'm calling this a disinformation war.

And it's it didn't just begin with the

death of Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was

the first victim in it. Um, he might not

have even been the first victim. There

were probably plenty before him. He was

just the uh he was just the most

prominent and and the one who threatened

them the most that they had to make a

statement for all those underneath him

to get in line and not ask questions.

And I think that's why we've seen what

we've seen with Megan Kelly. I think

that's why we've seen what we've seen

with Jack Poeic. All of these people who

considered themselves friends of

Charlie, who called themselves friends

of Charlie, half of these people who are

in office because of Charlie are now

going along with the deep state. If that

doesn't scream how evil these people are

that we are, you know, up against these

forces even um that this is not

politics. This is not just your average

leftist. This is not just your average

communist like like this is this is

Satan manifest in many ways in my

opinion. And we need to say that. We

need to talk about that. More churches,

more Christians need to be having these

conversations openly, articulately, and

honestly because if we don't,

we are all going to regret it. And I

hate to say that, but history shows.

Just look at the bullshit resol

revolution. Just look throughout

history. Millions of us will perish if

we do not start asking serious questions

about the people who are treating us as

if we work for them. No, the government

works for us.

>> Yep. We elected you and if you are

operating for a foreign government

before your own people and you are

simultaneously not upholding the values

of that republic which we have entrusted

you to defend, it is our lawful right

then as citizens to do what the

declaration declares. I'm sorry. It is

it is this isn't this isn't like

conspiracy. This isn't me trying to

incite violence. This is me articulately

referencing the foundational documents

of our republic.

>> Yeah.

>> In a way that calls out to the king

which is Christ, right? I I do not I do

not,

>> you know, bend the knee to a politician.

I I serve Christ alone. Yeah. That's

what founded this country and we need to

go back to that. That's why I'm saying

we all should take a moment and and

honestly just pray as a nation and cry

out to God. Not in some national Zionist

funded prayer group that the White House

is putting on. No. Like just fall on

your knees and cry out to God.

>> Yeah.

>> And and we need to be doing that on a

regular basis because these people these

demons are winning the spiritual war and

and millions of Christians are being

deceived in real time.

>> Yeah. You know, going back to what you

were saying about motive Frank Turk uh

said the other night, the uh the three

main motives for like murder are sex,

money, and power. And I'm like, uh how

did Tyler get any one of those things

from this? Or how did the left get any

one of those things from this?

>> Um he's just an idiot, you know? But uh

speaking about like Zionism like and how

it's had this like strangle hold on us,

you know, the Scoffield Bible was

written by Oxford Press and was funded

by the Rothschilds, bro.

>> Yeah. Well, and it's like all of our

textbooks that we all grew up reading or

uh you know, Robert Maxwell and you see

the Epstein connection there, the YB

connection there. And so like it's it's

just it's

>> to me

>> it's it's deception. It's

disinformation. It's demonic. You just

have to call it what it is. You have to

remove the veil from your eyes. I was

blessed that it happened to me in 2020,

you know, and that's why when I was

still employed at Turning Point USA, I

was saying a lot of the things I am now

openly. I was like, hey, this, you know,

asking the tough questions that a good

person asks. And I think I was sidelined

because of that. It's what part of why I

left turning point.

>> You were ahead. You were ahead of the

curve. I didn't find out until 2025 when

I started really researching the

Scoffield Bible, you know, dark.

>> And that's and that's like another thing

getting to the deception of what has

happened. It's very evil, right? like

Erica Kirk took the stage and she said

evil has shown its face and I think that

>> she was true. I just think that she was

the evil that she was talking about

there. And I think that, you know, we

know that that they demons, demonic

warfare, spiritual war, they have to

reveal their hand. They always do.

>> They reveal the method.

>> They do. And so I think that in that

statement,

>> you know, it was almost like a

projection of of

>> her and her ilk. And um

>> I think if we look at her actions, you

know, all like we just have there

there's nothing that you can really say

to defend that. and um

>> you know a a Christian forgiving her

husband's murderer I struggle to

understand and then you simultaneously

couple that with how much she demands

people stop asking questions she doesn't

want people to you know investigate it

it just doesn't add up with with the

natural Christian response in my opinion

um and you can say you grieve

differently but again you're not living

up to the initial things you said at the

beginning which was that you need a

space for people to go um and and you

know ask questions what would Charlie

think about this issue x y and z and

every time people have done that such as

Blake Nef in regards to the Iran issue.

You say, "Oh, we don't know how Charlie

would react to what's happening when

again a 16minute video of him calling

Lindsey Graham pathologically insane and

saying we don't need to go to war and

that we actually need to philosophically

uh consider, you know, the Rand Paul

isolationist approach." And so it's

blatant double speak. These people are

acting like leftists. But again,

leftists has been a term that the

institution has used for the last 20 to

30 years in this disinformation war to

keep us at odds with ourselves instead

of getting to the root of the issue,

which is the real evil. Um, that Erica

Kirk, I believe, is is aligned with and

um and and and it it gets to the

deception aspect, which is like they

thought they they they claimed that they

launched a revival, right? And and and

they did. They got millions of people

woken up to what's happening. But in the

aftermath now, the intelligence agencies

very very tactfully are trying to walk

us back into the 2008 2012 era of

>> right versus left. If you don't like

this this brazen display of patriotism,

which the UFC fight, for example, then

you hate this country, then you're

anti-American. No, actually, I like

events like that. I would love to have

two things. I don't see why it has to be

one way or the other. Why can't we have

a UFC fight and also not go to war in

the Middle East? Why can't we have a UFC

fight and have homes be more affordable

for people my generation? Why can't we

have a UFC fight and also get truth on

the Epstein Files?

>> It is not this one side or the other

like fight that you're trying to get us

into. All right? Like it's it's so much

deeper than that. And that's why we're

seeing what we're seeing. If evil showed

its face, then you didn't do anything to

combat that evil. This is what I keep

going back to. If the left killed

Charlie Kirk, the administration had a

mandate to to go doortodoor practically

arresting every leftist and

investigating them for their connection

with potential terror organizations,

right? Because they labeled Antifa a

terrorist group.

>> You could go through every person who's

liked a pro- Antifa tweet on Twitter and

have these people arrested potentially.

They did none of that. And so that's my

thing is you say one thing and do

another. Whether you're Erica Kirk or

the administration, you say that the

left killed Charlie Kirk, but then you

took zero action to dismantle the left.

You're you're trying to rile us up for

the next election to fight the left when

you guys are the ones in power. You have

all the power. We gave you the power to

do those things. In fact, the man who

was fighting the fight louder than you

all was murdered. We all would have

loved to see you go full fascist and you

didn't. So, it's it's it it doesn't make

sense to the brain when you logically

speak about it, when you don't get

worked up, when you don't let these

people throw falsehoods your way, and

when you don't listen to the labels they

try and put on you because it's all it's

all not true. It's all a lie. And just

stand on the side of Christ, and the

truth will be revealed.

>> What's interesting, too, you made such a

good point. So, like you think about

like they brought back the World's Fair

this year. We had the UFC fight on the

lawn where it's like patriotism,

you know, on steroids, right? And it's

like,

>> well, and simultaneously they're staging

assassinations.

>> Right. Right. Right.

>> Those two go hand in hand. You if you

criticize the the the massive excessive

expensive display of patriotism, then

you must be in the camp of these people

who are trying to kill the president,

which I don't think are even necessarily

real events. Because if we look at

Donald Trump, I think he's trying to go

down in history as the man who survived

the most assassination attempts and and

we know that all the world's a stage and

that Donald Trump himself spent years in

the WWE and you know to think that these

people are not actors is naive. You have

to do that the amount of money that

politics has a bigger Hollywood except

it has real world implications. Yeah.

Right. Erica Kirk is an actress. Like I

know this this is this is fact. Um the

all of these people are failed TV TV sto

show show people, failed radio show

people. They end up in politics because

naive people who can't think critically

think that these people who tell them

one thing are living for them and

advocating for them when in reality

they're all just profiting off the lies

and the crap that they're feeding these

people. And uh it needs to end. And and

I'm gonna I I truly have made it my

life's mission to to expose this fraud,

these liars, these deceivers, these

demons for what they are because it is

it is deceptive. It is it is evil. And

that is not what Christ tells us to do.

>> Yeah. And I was um I think it's

interesting that instead of doing the

things to actually restore our country

to a better time and a better place

where it could actually, you know, um be

genuinely what we want it to be. They're

giving us these like

coliseum games, right? They're it's just

a show, right? Like this patriotism on

steroids is just a smoke screen that we

actually are like uh making the country

better. They're not doing any and it's

pissing off people that are, you know,

on the other side or some people, maybe

not all, but like it's like rubbing it

in their face. It's also making people

that aren't thinking clearly that like,

oh, look, we are making changes. America

is, you know, the greatest country in

the world and we are going to make it

all better. But it's really they're not

they're not doing anything. It's not

making any significant change of any

kind. And it's also a distraction from

all the things that we want them to do.

They're like, "No, no, no. Stop talking.

Stop asking questions. Look at look at

all the look at all the planes flying

over. Look at the fireworks. You know,

just eat your bread and drink your wine

and just go to the next game."

>> Yeah. And like I want to say this too. I

am like a as patriotic as it comes,

right? I love my nation. I love my

country. I would give my life for it.

But I think that

>> it's there these these things are being

used as tools, right? The trial as well.

And um it's it ultimately goes back to

and we can move over to this way if you

want. The clip that that Elon responded

to the the anti-semitism bit, right? It

it gets to you cannot point out the

greater evil that is at play in our

country. And I I I don't want people to

label me, you know, a Russian asset,

which is why I said what I said at the

beginning of this, right? But if you go

look at some of the rhetoric that comes

out from Vladimir Putin or other people

in regards to Western democracy and who

actually controls those institutions,

>> y

>> it kind of makes sense then why our

federal government and intel agencies

would work to now if you see online

label Russia and China and all of these

people um the greatest threat to

democracy in America when 5 months

before his death, three months before

his death, Charlie Kirk was laying it

out plainly like no plainly. No, it's

not the intelligence agencies. It's not

uh or it's not, you know, China or

Russia. It's actually the intelligence

agencies that are our greatest threat.

And so it it's textbook, you know,

textbook disinformation, textbook double

speak. And right now is the time for

people to think about what this is worth

to them, you know, are do you want to

continue watching your UFC fight and

gambling for the rest of your life, or

do you want to live life the way that

God intended, that is that is free and

and and in a nation that he entrusted us

250 years ago? you know, if we if we can

keep it, right? It's up to us. It's not

up to

>> No one's coming to save us, you know,

and that's that's kind of why I'm saying

what I'm saying now because

>> it's now or never. And and you know, for

13 years, I I had a hand in in producing

content that I thought would eventually

go on to help make a change and save

this nation. And I think it did up to a

point and then it became too dangerous.

And now it's being weaponized to

suppress free thought, to suppress

questions. And ultimately, as Charlie

Kirk himself said, um, questions are the

most dangerous thing to an illegitimate

regime. Right. And again, I just want to

state this for the record, too, like

anytime we would go to a campus, Charlie

Kirk's thing was disagreements come to

the front of the line.

>> Yeah.

>> And I don't think we've seen that

principle lived out by a single person

in that organization since his death.

>> No. Did you know? So, um, well, at least

for Erica Kirk, too, on her Bible in

365, uh, podcast that she does once a

month. She did it yesterday with James

Kadis, who's a Zionist who actually is

best friends with a general and a major

in the IDF. He's also the one that has

the connection to BB Netanyahu's brother

and Victor Marx. Um, it's insane. But,

so,

>> one big happy family, isn't it?

>> It's nuts, right?

>> And maybe that's the turning point

family she was talking about in that

interview. Maybe that's the one cuz cuz

she definitely doesn't treat people like

me as family even though, you know, I

was there before she ever was. So I I

don't know, man. It's weird.

>> Yeah. That she had her which is crazy.

There's so many times we're saying

things like, "I want to hit two things

at once." At her uh what was it when she

was at CLS? Was it her CLS speech when

she was like, "I was there from the

beginning. I watched the blood, sweat,

and tears."

>> Oh, yeah. That that's why I quote

tweeted and it went viral. I was like,

"You didn't build anything. You married

into this." Yes.

>> Um, yeah. No, you can. You can.

>> She's a revisionist, bro. Just like all

of them are.

>> They're literally trying to rewrite

history. It's it's what happened after

World War II, and it's what's happening

right now. And I refused to let them do

it to a man that I worked very closely

with. And And

>> again, I I had nothing to gain from

Charlie Kirk. I believed in him

>> because of who he was and the kind of

man that he [clears throat] was and the

vision that he had for this country. I

worked very closely with him for my

entire young adult life. Um, and I'm not

I was not put in a position of

government. I was not brought into the

administration. I was not brought into

their fold. Right? And there's a reason

for that. Uh, it's because people like

me and Charlie are threatening to the

regime. And they used Charlie, they used

his his brilliance

>> and his intelligence to get them elected

because they knew without him they

wouldn't be able to.

>> Yeah. And and then the moment that they

knew he would threaten what they

actually wanted to do to this country

and to us,

>> Yeah.

>> they betrayed him and they executed him.

And they in the process they warned all

of his friends,

>> you better not get out of line.

>> Yeah.

>> And I think to put it as plainly as that

for your viewers, especially on YouTube

and stuff, like it needs to be heard.

You know, that that is that is what

happened. And and until Tyler Robinson,

you know, until there's that that's what

happened and and we need to say that and

that needs to be the leading narrative

because historically speaking, the lone

shooter always gets proven to be some

fed slop and and and there's always a a

a deeper narrative. And that's what

Charlie Kirk himself died asking the

questions of. He he was not he did not

die giving a campaign speech. He did not

die, you know, trying to get someone

elected. So, so to say that Charlie Kirk

would forever just want Republicans to

be elected is a lie. Like, no. That's

not the core of who he was.

>> Charlie Kirk was the man who went to a

college campus to engage the youth and

said, "Disagreements come to the front

of the line. Let's hash this out. Let's

get to the truth because truth matters

and Christ is real." And what are the

implications of that? He was about to

get there and they didn't let him.

>> Yeah.

>> And and and and we'll see where this

goes, but um I I I'm not going to let it

happen. I refuse to.

>> Yeah. And like so if you just look at

any of the events that they've had since

Charlie's assassination, they make sure

to have like their own, you know,

pre-written questioners that ask the

questions and then they take they pull

the mic, right? Like they did at the

Andrew Kovit, JD Vance thing. Erica Kirk

on her show, they have the uh super

chats turned off. It's a live. You can

watch live. Super chats turned off. You

know why? You can't you can't control

who asks so questions.

>> Well, she's made enough money. She

doesn't need super chats. I'll tell you

that much.

>> Yeah. But it is interesting. I think

that people that are

>> motivated by money that do want money,

they're like, "We do want money, but

>> but we'd rather control the narrative."

>> Exactly. That's what these people care

about more is controlling the narrative

and uh the truth, which which shows you

that they don't stand for truth, right?

Again, it's they say one thing, they do

another. Actions speak a whole lot

louder than words. And uh people seem to

have forgotten that. And um you know

just because someone like Gary Melton

who has thousands of followers on

Twitter who never once cared about

Charlie Kirk before he died gets on

there and tries to act like an expert on

things great. Why? You have to go to the

root of these. Get don't get caught up

in the distraction. Go to the magician

and go and figure out what the trick

being played actually is. Don't don't

don't don't focus on what's happening.

Go to the magician himself and figure

out what's happening.

>> Yeah. Yeah, he didn't believe in the 30

odd. Like he he has his own fraud, dude.

These these people are all frauds.

They're they're all phonies. And the

problem is they're all propped up by one

another. So it looks like society

supports them when in reality, if there

were more people talking as articulately

and plainly and calmly, quite frankly,

as I am about these issues and not

getting into spaces and just shouting

them down. Yeah.

>> Um we would probably

>> not see what we're seeing right now. But

unfortunately, you know, I hope this

video doesn't get suppressed. I hope

people clip it and and and send it and,

you know, post it under these people

because it's the truth. It's it's these

people are frauds. They're liars. You're

demons and uh Christ is king and and

none of you stand for truth based on the

way you're acting. It's just you can say

you do. That's great. Prove it. You

know, it's it's much harder to prove

that you stand for something. Um and

everyone who claims to stand for Charlie

Kirks, you're not. Um I actually am. And

you can fact check me on that all you

want, but like you are not waging war on

the deep state. We're not talking about

the deep state because you're all scared

and you all know the truth that Charlie

was about to unmask because we all know

the truth. Because it's the truth.

That's how the truth works. You don't

need evidence when it's the truth

because it's the truth. And I think we

all know the truth of what is going on.

People are just too afraid to speak up

and do something about it. If I have to

be the first person to kind of say

something, I will. I lost my job two

weeks into speaking out because of this

stuff. I'm not in the best place

financially, but it's worth it. it. This

is because again, if we lose first

principles, if we lose this country,

then a job doesn't matter. I I can't sit

in an office and cut a video my entire

life knowing that this country is being

stolen under Christians noses. I can't

do it. I can't in good faith sit by and

do that. So, that is my motivation.

Again, I just want to make that clear

for your viewers. Like, I'm not I'm not

in this for anything but that truly like

that that is my why. That is my drive.

Um, Charlie gave it to me and I watched

them take that from him. And uh, and if

I, again, I'm gonna I'm gonna do what

they say they're doing, carry on his

legacy, but I feel like I'm actually

doing it better. Not to not toot my own

horn, but but again, I just I keep

posting videos of him because that's

what this is about for me.

>> Yeah. Um, and going back to that, like

who do you think I mean, what is your

what is your overall um, theory, opinion

as to who really is behind it? and you

know from the very top down to all the

way whoever had proximity to him. Um you

know an opportunity Terrell Farnsworth

maybe had to be involved to some degree

right with depending on what you think

about the motive um death was.

>> Yeah I think it starts with your motive.

I think it starts with what you believe

the motive was. Um and then from there

you look at who benefited the most,

right? And from there I think we can see

that Israel and Turning Point USA and

its associates have benefited the most,

right? And administration, those three

those three people. The left has not

benefited the most. So

>> that's why I say that the left is is is

a conspiracy like that the left killed

Charlie Kirk is a conspiracy theory.

It's not true. The left didn't kill

Charlie Kirk as a conspiracy theory

because of everything I've just laid out

for the last hour.

>> Yep. So, as far as what I truly think

happened, I don't know. And and and and

I don't particularly care because I

don't think it matters too much. What I

think does matter is noticing what has

happened and everyone who's benefited

and calling that out headon. And then

from there, I think as we've seen with

people like Blake Nef, the more that we

pressure these people, the more we're

going to get to the truth, the more we

know we the more we know that now Andrew

Kovette was in talks with the FBI

beforehand, right? And so,

>> again, we just got to keep asking the

questions who didn't do their job that

day and why. Once we figure that out,

we'll get to a deeper question. Okay,

who were they working for? Why were they

working for them? What's the deeper?

Right? Again, just keep asking

questions. When you get an answer, ask

another one. And don't let them distract

you. Don't let them label you anything.

You are a patriotic American for doing

that. You're not an enemy of the state.

You're not you're not a terrorist.

You're not working for a foreign

government because you want to know what

happened to Charlie Kirk when you notice

four people benefiting the boast are the

same people telling you to shut up.

That's that's not anti-American. That's

very patriotic. It's very revolutionary,

actually. Um, and so again to answer

your question, I don't know. I look at

Turning Point USA who's made billions of

dollars in the wake of his death. I look

at Andrew Kovet and Blake Nef who are,

you know, inheriting his platform. But I

don't even view what they're doing at

this point as personal gain. I view it

as as an intentional uh destruction of

of of the largest weapon against the

deep state. And I think that that it is

managed decline. That's why I put out

the tweet today calculated destruction

because

>> these these statements are so blatantly

false and so blatantly against what

Charlie used to stood what used to stand

for.

>> They are trying to get this past our

generation so then in the next

generation they will have control of the

next generation. And that's the point I

was trying to make earlier. Charlie was

the the weapon that they have now got

and and they will brainwash your

children forever. If they don't do it in

the schools, they'll they'll now use

Turning Point to do it right. And that

was supposed to be the opposite. It was

supposed to be you're being brainwashed

to come to Turning Point.

>> Yes. [clears throat]

>> Well, now it's it's like the opposite.

Turning Point is propping up the

establishment. It just seems like uh I

don't even know what it is. It the

Bolshevixs. I don't know. Like it's it's

weird. And um

>> and I think we need to be talking about

that because if we don't, history shows

that things might happen. And um you

know, as far as who's involved, I think

that there's potentially a theory that

you know, I've heard that maybe they

were trying to fake the assassination,

but again, I don't see that being in the

nature of Charlie's character. You know,

Charlie was the type of man who was

willing to walk into the arena and take

in people head on.

>> And so maybe there is a thread that he

was aware of the threats and walked in

willingly, right? And and maybe, you

know, he always said he would die young

and that his death would spark

>> Yeah.

>> a movement. But I think that again it

goes back to what movement and and his

movement was not just to, you know,

indefinitely elect Republicans. His his

his movement was to fundamentally

reshape America for America and in the

way that Christ uh wants us to. Not not

bombing school girls in the Middle East,

not protecting Jeffrey Epie and his

list, right? And uh

>> I think that that is that is the core of

it. And so I I again because I know a

lot of these people personally, I don't

really like to get into the who done it

because I don't I don't really care

because for me it also

>> kind of breaks my heart like to to see

that none of these people who I trusted

and and spent a lot of time with,

traveled the country with, slept in

hotel rooms with even like are having

the courage to do what I am now. And uh

that makes me ask a deeper question as

to, you know, how evil this evil is that

we're facing because I know everyone's

not a bad person. I'm not I'm not I'm

not accusing everyone in Turning Point

USA of being a bad person. I know that

there are good-hearted people there just

like me who believe in truth, who are

Christian, who loved Charlie. That's why

I'm doing what I'm doing because it

breaks my brain why I haven't seen more

of them asking these questions. So then

I ask why, right? I don't care. I It

breaks my heart. It frustrates me. But

then I go, why? What is the evil we are

up against? How evil is it? And and do

people even comprehend that? Right? And

that's where I feel like the angle I'm

coming at this from is very unique. I

think that's why I've had a little bit

of success here in in a month or so. So,

>> yeah.

>> I don't know, man. It's it's it's a lot.

And it's especially for me, it's been a

lot to process. I've been I've been

working very hard to try and keep myself

grounded in reality.

>> Yeah. I'm definitely trying to hone in

on it, too. Like the the why the either

they're this evil and a lot of people

are involved and it's just like

literally I was talking about it with my

wife the other day, like they're the

most evil and it's just so freaking

dark. or um I don't know like they're

being threatened, they're being bribed,

they're being blackmailed, they're

afraid for their own life. Um it's it's

really hard to to find out right now.

But I agree that as long as we keep

asking questions, and that's what

Charlie Kirk said, too. You just got to

keep asking questions. It's the only

thing that keeps you free. um uh that we

can hopefully, you know, I I said this

like a couple months ago, I'm going to

be so pissed if we make it to um 910

2026 and we don't know anything really

more than we did, you know, and

>> okay, we won't. I mean, again, you're

you're expecting the same people who

pulled this off to investigate. It's

never going to happen.

>> We're never going to we're never going

to get a public uh government um

admission just like we still don't have

one for JFK. And Charlie was pushing for

that too. He was like, "Release the

files, right, about JFK."

>> And they posted that video of him like

eight 80 times now where it's just who

benefited.

>> People know about Charlie. Like we know

about JFK. It's like we we we know it

wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald. We know

Israel's involved. We know there was

more than one shooting. It wasn't from

the, you know, book depository. There

was like probably

>> But we didn't find that out until 60

years later. That's kind of the point

I'm bringing up is is when people get on

Twitter and they say, "It's been 200

days since Charlie Kirk's assassination

and and we've gotten no new evidence."

It's like, "Bro, it took 60 years for us

to get the truth on JFK." So, forgive me

for applying a little pressure 250 days

out of the largest and most public

execution our nation has ever witnessed.

>> I'm sorry.

>> This is way more public.

>> That's again double speak. It is not

insane to ask questions less than a year

out of an event when it took 60 years

for our nation to give us the truth on

JFK and even then they redacted half of

it. So

>> I don't care like it's a lie. It's

double speak. It's very easy to speak

like to to tear down when you don't get

caught up in in their distraction. I

don't know.

>> Right. Yeah.

>> Yeah. One of the other things that I was

asking myself is uh not only who had the

most to gain uh with Charlie dying, who

had the most to lose if he stayed alive?

It's the same people who are benefiting

right now and the interesting.

>> Yeah. And so I think that there's

multiple um I don't want to say this

like streams of interests that you can

trace, right? Like the Israel lobby is

one, the deep state's another, Turning

Point corporate's another. And I think

that

>> to think that all three were not working

together is again naive now that we know

that Andrew Kovette and the FBI were

working together and

>> Turning Point USA basically put the

Trump administration into office. So,

you know, that's a naive belief to have

to begin with, but they were also the

three that had the most to lose because

I think Charlie would realize that these

people were not who they told him they

were. And we're all realizing that in

real time. And they're they're they are

now labeling anyone who calls him out on

it an enemy of the state, a terrorist.

That is that is textbook dictatorship,

you know, authoritarian regime,

authoritarian rhetoric, right? And so,

>> it's it's a tragedy. Not only was

Charlie betrayed, the average American

who put these people in the office was.

And um again, I go back to what Charlie

said. What they did to Trump in Butler

was what they want to do to you. What

they did to Charlie is what they will

what they will ultimately do to you if

they have the chance. The problem is is

Charlie trusted that Trump was on our

side and that these people were on our

side. And

>> I don't know whether they got bought

out. I don't know whether they were all

evil from the beginning. Quite frankly,

it doesn't matter. They did not do the

right thing in the hour of crisis. And

they continue not to. and they continue

to bow to not Christ, not Americans.

They continue to bow to the synagogue of

Satan. And uh we just need to call it as

it is,

>> 100%. I'm going to play the video um and

we're going to continue, but I need to

get through a couple super chats before

it piles up too far and then we're like

way too far behind.

>> Do you think all right, we have uh Chaz

Marine or Maren uh Jesus Christ is the

only way, only truth, and the only way

to heaven. Christ is king. I agree 100%.

Thank you for your donation. based. I

agree.

>> Uh, whimsis isms. Although Charlie

suffered the worst fate, uh, it wasn't

just about him, also about destroying

the organizational structure that could

move as one unit. Yeah. Yep. Uh, thank

you Matt Bell for becoming a member. Um,

quick gaslighting us. I like that

handle. Uh, this is what it sounds like

when people are telling the truth. Uh,

God has got this. Thank you for your

bravery, Matt. Thank you for your

bravery and or sorry, thank you for all

you do, Crisis King. Thank you, man. Um,

we got Sunshine77. They are using

religion as the Trojan horse. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, like, they're definitely

hijacking our faith and spirituality.

>> They are not the the Judeo-Christian,

and this is what I'm writing about in my

book, guys. This goes back far. This is

like Protestant Revolution, like like

Protestant Reformation. um in my opinion

like a satanic deception of Christianity

that has resulted in what we're seeing

now, right? You can kind of trace that.

So, I agree completely.

>> Have you heard of Jay Dyer? Do you know

who Jay Dire

>> Oh, yeah, I do. Yeah. He's actually part

of the reason that like got me on this

thread to begin with.

>> Good. I did you see his most recent

episode with Tucker?

>> No, I didn't know he did one with

Tucker. That's awesome.

>> Last week. You got to go watch it.

>> That's really cool.

>> I love Jay Dire.

>> Yeah. I'm wearing like an Orthodox shirt

now. He's like He's like part of the

reason that got me onto Orthodoxy and

and all that. So,

>> yeah. Yeah. Uh, wait, I missed one. Uh,

this guy got to get on more podcasts.

Well, he's starting his own. He's

starting his own

>> potentially. I'm trying, dude. I just I

made the YouTube channel yesterday. I

did Stu Peters a couple days ago. Go

check that out. Um,

>> Constitution yesterday.

>> Send this to people so they can see the

things I'm saying. So, a they know I'm

not crazy. They know I'm not a blatant,

you know, anti-semite and I'm actually

just trying to save this country like

anyone else should be.

>> Yeah. And um I'll talk more with you too

off camera about developing your show if

you want to do that and because we need

more people like you and myself out here

um doing this. So and yeah, anyone that

wants to clip this show in context to

combat whatever those crazy

>> or out of context, I'll tear it down. I

don't care. Lie on my name.

>> I mean that's true. Then you speaking

>> the truth over here.

>> You just right back at him. Um okay, I

did that one. We got a couple more. We

got uh Winnie PDX. Uh do we have any

insight on Charlie's parents? Do they

definitely do they buy the Fed slop

narrative?

>> Uh, I actually have a perspect I don't

know them. I've never met them. Um,

allegedly potentially Charlie's dad was

involved in the creation of the Trump

Tower. I don't know. It hasn't been fact

checked. I've heard one thing. Someone

fact checked me the other day. So, I

don't know whether that's true or not.

There's a potential that that is.

What I think is interesting though is if

we think that all of these people are

federal agents andor actors or whatever

and we've looked at what's happened in

the trial, the senior director of

development for Turning Point USA, Stacy

Sheridan,

>> was managing Charlie's parents. So why

is the director of fundraising donors at

Turning Point managing Charlie's parents

at the trial? That just seems Shouldn't

she be doing her job as director?

um why are donors also in that same week

reaching out to me giving me, you know,

Jewish mystic texts that they saw in the

same building where Charlie Studio is?

You know, it's

>> there's just questions I have there.

>> And and then I think it's interesting as

well that Erica Kirk is now speaking on

behalf of his biological family. Um that

that to me speaks volumes. I don't know

if they do or not. I don't know if

they're even allowed to let us know

whether they do or not. Again, I don't

we can't we cannot comprehend the levels

of evil we're dealing with. Look at what

they did to Charlie. Uh to think that

they wouldn't

>> force someone's parents to just shut up,

I think is is pretty naive.

>> Yep. And

>> they and they have the power to do it,

you know, like they they do. And look at

what they did to their son. I'm just

like to to say it that bluntly, it's

hard to hear, but like

>> these people want to kill us all. 2030

is a great reset for a reason.

>> Ask yourself this question. The three

times that I've seen Charlie's parents

since the assassination, right? Tarmac.

Okay. On the tarmac, who was closer to

the parents, Stacy or Erica? Stacy. The

White House when he was when Erica was

receiving the Medal of Freedom, who was

closer to the parents, Stacy or Erica?

Stacy was. And then, and then at the

courthouse, who was there escorting um

them in? Stacy. And I don't

>> It felt like Stacy was almost like put

in the company to

manage and handle Charlie, kind of baby

Charlie. I don't know. It like when she

entered a room, dude, like the air left

the room. I I kid you not. I was like,

you don't, you know, talk to Stacy. You

don't ask what she does. Like it was

>> very much don't ask, don't tell. Like it

was it was weird, right? And and I

noticed that from the from the onset.

And so that's where I go back to like

this was not something that just

happened overnight. This was not

something that just took place in 2025.

>> This didn't happen after we got the

president elected. This was I I think

that they identified Charlie as an asset

and they used him to get what they

wanted

and then the minute they realized he

would be a threat.

>> Yes.

>> They also are using him to further that

end goal.

>> Y

>> it it's that simple.

>> Yeah.

>> You just have to you just have to take a

step back, look through history, not

remove yourself from history, put

yourself in the history book, and

realize that we will be reading about

this one day. It's up to us to define

who writes that truth.

>> Who defines what happened here?

>> It's up to us to define that. We And and

I waited for 10 months to see if anyone

else was going to come out and no one

did. And so I I I did like people in

this proximity, right? And so

>> um you know, it truly is up to us to

rewrite the narrative to speak truth to

power to not let demons lie on innocent

Christian man's name who isn't even here

to correct it.

>> Yeah. I mean like they would allow him

to be around as long as he was

benefiting them. But the moment that he

posed any kind of significant risk to

them and their future plans, he actually

became more beneficial to them debt

because they could make him say whatever

they want now.

>> And he became a martyr against the left.

>> Yeah.

>> And they can conveniently ignore, you

know, the deep state and and everything

that Charlie was basically sounding the

alarm on.

>> Yeah. in the last 6 to 12 months before

his death, even as far back as 2023.

Um, and it's just so apparently obvious

to me what's happening because I was

there for so long. I felt a lot of this

taking shape early. I didn't know what

it was back then. And then in hindsight,

it's like, wow, I

>> I should have just because again, I'

I've said this multiple times, too, that

they worked to build a a culture in

which as an employee, regardless of how

long you known Charlie, going to talk to

him would be seen as an act of

subversion. Again, kind of kind of kind

of like what they're trying to get the

country to believe now, right? Asking

questions is is anti-American. If I was

to go to Charlie and raise anything, it

would be anti- turning point. It would

be, you know, all hell would break

loose. And this is a guy I met when I

was 15 who was 18. Like like we were

kids.

>> Wait, so they were like significantly

isolating him from people within the

>> Yes. Top to bottom

to go through other people.

>> You Yes. That Tyler Boyer had put there

himself, dude. That's what I'm saying.

It was hand it was it was he was managed

like an asset from top to bottom.

Directors, managers, they all were

approved by Tyler Boyer. I watched

people I was friends with, Matt, who I

would be sending Nick Fuentes clips to.

We'd be talking about the JQ, all this

kind of stuff get brought up as a

manager overnight, flipped like a light

switch, just corporate turning point

rhetoric. Nope, we got And I was like,

who are you? We were friends. like like

what happened to you people like and and

like that in and of itself was just

weird and you know that's a small

instance of it but yes like like

literally the access to Charlie was

heavily filtered heavily filtered

through Andrew Kovette Tyler Marina

Minus um other people that were put in

positions of of directors and that's

also where you know Charlie spoke at

length about work ethic and how much

work ethic meant and I'm someone who

prides myself on my work ethic quite

frankly I I spent so much time around

Charlie. How could you not?

>> Yeah.

>> Um and then I sat there, you know, for

years as a young person and I watched as

Tyler brought in people with awful work

ethics.

>> Um

>> and were elevated to positions of

influence, directors, managers, and I

was sitting there as someone who, you

know, as long as I had been there, just

kind of did the right thing for the sake

of the movement, for the sake of the

mission, for Charlie, whatever. And I

obviously didn't see the results I I was

looking for. I never got a chance to

kind of make an impact in the way I

wanted to. I made a documentary on the

FBI, funny enough, where I interviewed

an FBI agent who said that if you don't

think the FBI is already monitoring

Charlie Kirk or even people like

yourself, uh this is in 2022, then

you're not listening to anything I'm

saying. Right? So, I was aware of this

long time ago. I I felt it. I knew what

was going. I just didn't know how big it

was going to be and and the connections,

right? But Marina's the one who didn't

let my video go on YouTube uh because

they were afraid of it being

demonetized, right? And so then it's

like you don't actually care for the

truth. You just you just you know care

for money, whatever else. Um but yes,

all these people were were installed

slowly over time over the years uh by

Tyler. And I've said it before, I'll say

it again. You're on both sides. Turning

point USA, Turning Point Action, your

career is made or broken by Tyler Boyer,

your relationship with him. Um

>> and [clears throat] I think that the

financial aspect of Turning Point USA is

coupled with that. There were a lot of

people, dude, that they would just

create, they would go director and then

if they had someone they wanted to make

a director, they would just create

senior directors. And so now they had

like two people getting director

salaries like and it's just that's the

kind of stuff I'm talking about. And I

think that Charlie, who was so isolated

from the company he built that had

become managed by people that Tyler

himself put there, started to kind of

catch on to that after the election. I

think that during the election, you

know, he was prioritizing saving the

West and and putting people that he

thought he could trust into positions of

power to take the action that he himself

thought was necessary to save this

country. And then after the election, he

was like, "Okay, all right, let me let

me look at what's actually going on.

Let's kind of take a look at this doge

audit." Like, and he didn't get a chance

to do that. Now, it doesn't matter

because they've made billions since his

death. But but you know I think before

he was starting to get on that and I

think that again you ask who had the

most to lose. It's Tyler Ber and

everyone that he had installed in a

position of management that that was not

put in place to be effective and to

advocate Turning Point USA effectively.

Rather it was put in place to manage uh

it and I think we've seen that now.

>> Yeah. Um yeah, he was about meritocracy.

Like that was one of the things like

it's about like um it's not about what

race, gender, you know, nationality,

whatever you are. It's about like you

earning your way to the top and or to

wherever you are, right? Just earning

your place just on merit, right? Um and

you look at and so Matthew Tuteroni said

the same thing about Tyler Boyer and the

people that he brought in as well. Um

they weren't people that earned their

way to the top by working hard. They

earned their way by being people that

could be controlled by them.

>> Loyalists. Yeah. Blind loyalists. Um if

you didn't ask questions, you were

elevated. If you're like me, if you're

like Aubrey, if you're like Matt, if you

are like Charlie, quite frankly, if you

question things, um they don't advance

you. And it's funny because you talk

about delivering results. In spite of

that video I made not going on FBI, it

ran to half a million views in seven

days on Rumble. It's still Turning Point

USA's most watched view most watched

video on Rumble. If you go check it

right now, sort it by views. What is it

called?

>> Uh it's called FBI whistleblower the

enemy within. Go to the Rumble and

search it like change it to most viewed.

My video should pop right up unless

they've taken it down. But

>> it also went on to win a gold telly

award uh that year 2023 for documentary.

And at the time I was 20 23 years old I

think and you know was a producer I

think and I I went in around the time

that they were doing reviews and raises

and I was like hey guys here's some

results I delivered. Can I get a

reasonable salary for a producer now?

because at the time it was about 20

grand below.

>> And again, [clears throat] I'm a young

person. This is a grassroots

organization. I'm sacrificing a lot in

spite of this because I believe in these

people. I trust them. Whatever.

>> I just delivered an award-winning

documentary that that racked half a

million views in a week. Can I get the

rate of a salary for a producer in

Arizona? The average rate. I wasn't

asking for anything insane, right? I was

asking for the base salary rate of a

producer in Arizona. And they laughed me

out of the office. And at that point, I

was just like, "All right, cool. I I

kind of see what's going on here. At

that point, we had had a new director

brought in to productions specifically

who has a very sketchy background. He

spent years in Europe running drugs and

you know was very open about that and

then you know he comes to turning point

and now in hindsight I'm like cool. So

did you like make a deal with the feds

and like are you now being used like

again it's just the questions I have

right because you know there's been

videos of him talking to Chinese state

media as well. So it's just like

>> is he still there?

>> Yeah. Yeah. His name is Marcus Wada.

He's uh he's the director of the new

documentary that's coming out um that's

produced by Turning Point USA

Productions and a bunch of people I used

to work with. Terrell Farnsworth is also

on the credits list.

>> What is it about?

>> It's a documentary on Charlie's life.

But if I was to bet they're going to

>> Oh, that one.

>> I bet I bet I bet they're going to wait

until to release him until after the

verdict. Yeah.

>> Interesting.

>> Yeah. I want to know I want to know

where uh all the footage from the

cameramen that day that aren't VI guys

that are Turning Point uh USA

Productions camera ops. uh

>> the front left and the back left.

>> I want to know where their footage is

and why we haven't seen it yet. I want

to see it all. I want it to be played in

court. If it's not, that indicates a

deep state cover up in my opinion.

>> Dude, I So, I've gone back and looked at

um all of the campus events from 25 from

the spring um you know, uh campus tours

and then like 24 the front left camera

the and the back left camera on that day

because sometimes it's on the other

side. It depends on the setup of the

campus. Obviously, you know that, right?

But, um, those two right there, I think

would give us way more answers than

>> Dude, and I said this the other night. I

I I talked to the girl who was on the

camera,

>> the one in the front, right?

>> I talked to her the week of

>> cuz again, nine days after was when

Candace was already coming out

questioning things, very much in her

nature. I knew that's what she was going

to do. When Charlie died, I knew what

was going to happen. I was like, they're

going to use this to label Candace a

crackpot anti-semite and then they're

going to roll out crackdowns on speech

cuz that's where Charlie was going. And

uh I think they are and we see that

happening right now. And so

>> you know I was already afraid of that

happening but at the same time I was

also very skeptical you know wanted to

kind of trust things at least initially