They said it on camera..

After this interview, I was threatened

with legal action and told my career

would be ruined if I published it. So,

here it is. All right, let's see it.

>> Hi. Uh, I'm Sandy. My pronouns are she,

her. Um, I am here representing for

Mommies for Trans today. We have just

come into the park. We're very hot and

sweaty and tired and full of emotional

because the streets were full of joy for

our trans kids. So, our group is about

stepping out for standing up for our

kids. because the political lands fake

is heenus and we uh our two co-founders

neither of whom are here today

unfortunately uh Claire and Karen they

um decided that they needed to do

something and so we all formed and year

on year month on month there's more and

more of us coming together

>> across Ireland in all of the the pride

marches and protests this summer we're

nearly in every one of them so we're

going around spreading spreading love,

spreading the joy of being parents who

can love and stand up for our kids.

>> And uh do your members have trans kids?

>> Some do, some don't. So, some are

allies, some people don't have children

at all. So, to be a mommies for trans

rights and participate in this group is

about loving all of our kids and giving

all of our children, wherever you're

from and whatever you look like and

whatever your gender and your identity

and sexuality is,

>> holy

>> that is all of our kids. So, you don't

actually have to be a parent at all to

be participating. And we have loads of

people who aren't. So, we've got the

baddies, we got the moms, the uncles.

>> The kid is running around with the

oppression flag on. Oh my god.

>> The dads, the nibblings, the siblings.

>> Jesus.

>> All of these.

>> And can I ask you what do you think of

the puberty blocker trial over in the UK

at the minute? There's a lot of push

back against it.

>> I think I think it's a really

difficult conversation. I think they

give puberty blockers to kids who are

having

>> How is this allowed

>> early puberty

>> anyway? Let them do it.

>> I don't know why it's different when

it's a trans person.

>> Yeah.

>> And that's where I'd like I I I think if

this is a a me mechanism that's going to

keep a kid alive rather than not as an

intervention.

>> Let me change my gender or I'm going to

kill myself.

Oh, right.

Yeah. That's called a mental disorder.

Yeah. If you want to kill yourself as a

kid, you need to be committed to a

mental institution.

>> You know, why why not? Why wouldn't we

do that when we do that to another

8-year-old who's having early puberty,

which is where that medication comes

from, right?

>> Yeah.

>> So, why wouldn't that be different?

>> Oh my god.

>> I think it is quite different. Like if

in the CAS report, it says that puberty

blockers are likely to cause things like

um osteoporosis within young children

and stunt.

>> The cast report has [clears throat] been

debunked by many many scientists at this

point.

So I I don't think it's something that

we need in Ireland to bring in and stand

over. I think we need to do Irish

research for our Irish.

>> See, I think that the moment that these

people make an appeal to a uh to like an

authority like, oh, it's been debunked.

I I wish that they would ask follow-up

questions like, well, what if it did

cause these things? Like, would you

still support it? And the answer

actually for all these people that

they'll meander around it, but the

answer is actually yes. So while they do

try to use the authority as a

justification, they don't require a

justification. They would do it anyway.

>> Community and for all of our people who

live here, I think there is a fair

amount of research available and people

doing research in this country that we

can look to the best models of health

care. So for instance um I know people

who are going to Iceland to look at

their model of healthcare just because

there are neighboring country who are

>> Isn't Iceland subsidized by Denmark?

Iceland's massively subsidized by

Denmark

>> have a model of healthcare that is

failing significantly the trans

community. I don't think that's the

place to look and I don't think we need

to import that here.

>> That's Greenland. Oh sorry no you're

right. That is Greenland. Excuse me.

>> I was wrong. Prior to the cast report,

there was countries like Sweden stopped

prescribing puberty blockers to children

because they seen it was doing a lot of

damage once you make it up.

>> Isn't it crazy that Leaf Ericson

actually wasn't he the one that named

it?

700 years later, he's still getting

people.

He's still getting them.

That's crazy.

>> Sure. I mean, I'm not a scientist or a

medical person. I'm a parent and like

[laughter] our my job as a parent is to

advocate for my child's safety and life

and puberty blockers might lead to

osteoporosis down the line versus a dead

child really soon. I know where I'm

going to go.

>> There's also another study that shows

that after someone transition to suicide

rate actually goes up. So the argument

that you know a dead child or a trans

child doesn't really make a lot of

sense. Well, there's significant studies

that would say like the Trevor the

Trevor Project will say that one adult

in a trans life who stands beside them

significantly reduces the suicide

likelihood. So I mean I guess like in

again I'm not a scientist. I'm a parent.

So what I know about science is that we

can probably take science to show

whatever we want to if we want to be

biased to something.

These people don't actually give a

about science. Whenever they quote

studies, whenever they say, "Oh, well,

this is what's proven." They don't

actually care about that. They think

that you care about that. That's why

they're saying it. These people are

weird freaks that want to genetically

change children. They should be put in a

prison. So really, you have to

keep in mind that every time they try to

make a play for rationality or

scientific method or anything like that,

they only do this in the process of

trying to basically skinwalk your

ideology against you to allow them to do

whatever disgusting weird they're

trying to do.

Um, and I mean it's to each parents

prerogative, right, of how they decide,

how they bring their kid in, how they

talk with their kid, how they engage in

in informed consent and advocating for

their child, with their child, of their

child. And I mean, that's a really

individual. It's each parent for

>> what their priorities are and how they

live in their lives and their families.

I wouldn't say that it is an overarching

this is what must be done or not be

done. But we need some health care in

this country for our trans kids because

currently we have none.

>> Yeah, you do. It's called a mental

institution and you need to be in it

with them too. The kid and the parent

needs to be in it. The kid needs to be

in an institution so they can be

rehabilitated from the abuse that they

had to deal with from the parent. And

the parent needs to be in the mental

institution because they wanted to

mutilate a child.

It's actually really simple.

I agree.

>> You know, you're looking at extensive

weight lists to the point that there are

they're like nonavvailable,

right?

>> But wouldn't a good argument for that be

because it's become such a social trend

like onset rapid gender dysphoria

becoming

>> No, I don't think so. No, I don't think

so. No.

>> Even though the numbers for trans

children has skyrocketed in recent

years.

>> No. No.

So why do you think the numbers have

grown so significantly?

>> I would say probably things like more

language available, more education, you

know, in the 80s there was I don't know

many how how many people in this field

were queer and didn't have the language

for it. And maybe it's like not too

different to that, you know, and maybe

there's a safety mechanism of people

understanding that I can come out or I

didn't come out because I didn't I

didn't have the safety. I didn't have

the household. There wasn't the space

for me or I didn't have the words. But

children as young as 8 and 10, they

don't really have the capability to

understand that language in the first

place. So people understand them now.

>> I think they do. I think they do know

things. I think

>> she thinks that kids understand the

nature of being gay and being trans and

they understand the political

ramifications of it and they have like

three-dimensional reasoning of

like why it would be more okay to come

out as trans now versus before. Like,

I'm sorry, but like, if you're a parent

and you have an 8-year-old kid and you

think that your kid is trans and you're

dressing them in the other gender closed

and you're trying to get them on puberty

blockers and stuff, you need to have

that kid taken away from you and you

need to be brought up on charges for

child abuse. This is an insane,

disgusting thing. And the fact that

we're allowing people to do this at all

will be looked at historically as an

evil. It is an evil that we are

allowing. like we need to immediately

shut these people down and we need to do

so in a way that is punitive. It's not

enough to simply remove the problem. We

have to punish the people who created

it. It's grooming and it's sick. Yeah.

These people they're they're basically

pedophiles.

people um are really disparaging

sometimes of children and like I mean if

we're running around and we've got like

people in baby people giving baby grows

to a little boy being like

>> I'm whatever and then on a little girl

their little thing is I'm so cute and

kiss me and all this.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean it's the same but in a different

it's dressed up differently, right?

>> Yeah.

>> Well, I suppose so. But like if I had a

son who was like 2 years old and I got

>> The difference is that like they're

actually a boy though, right? because

they're born a biological male.

So like that's kind of like a pretty big

difference though, right? Cuz like you

know you're going to get a boy clothes

for boys because he's actually a boy.

Like I feel like that's a pretty big

like little fine point there.

>> Think saying I'm a girl, whatever. It

wouldn't actually be a girl though.

>> No, that's not what I'm talking about.

>> No. Oh

>> no, that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the fact that we

emlazen and we live our lives surrounded

in a hetronormative patriarchy and so

those social norms are projected on

>> you know what the fact is the fact that

this stupid Karen is able to go

out and talk about this proves that

we're not living in a patriarchy because

the patriarchy that I dream of would

never allow a person like this to do

this.

I wish you were right. I do. I wish you

were right. And back when you were

actually right, the world was a better

place

>> to children without the children having

any consent to that anyway. And so how

is that not

>> this is also and and this is another

really big component to like what their

ideology is is that biological realities

children can't consent to. So, it

implies that they can allow children to

consent to other things because they

can't consent to a biological reality

such as puberty. [snorts] It's a false

equivalence that's created in order to

open the door to allowing children to

consent to sexual behavior.

That's what they're doing.

>> How is that okay? But a child who has

the language to say, "This is how I'm

feeling today. this is how I'm feeling

tomorrow.

Why don't they have the language? I

mean, if our job and is our job as

parents is to lead and inform and

educate and listen to our kids, if they

are going to tell us something,

certainly to my mind, for my for my job

as a parent in my house, this is the

only place that it matters to me. It's

my job in my house to listen to my child

and it's another parent's job. Well, why

don't you just give them infinite candy?

>> Why not? Like, whenever your kid says,

"I don't want to exercise. I just want

to sit all day and watch TV and sit on

the iPad and eat gummy worms for every

single meal." Why aren't you giving him

gummy worms? Why are you telling them

that he has to go to bed at a certain

time? So, why is it that, for example, a

child can't make a decision on what they

want to eat on a day-to-day basis? They

can't make a decision on when they need

to go to sleep on a day-to-day basis.

They can't make a decision on, you know,

like what they're going to wear to

school, but they can make a decision on

their gender. How does that make any

sense? There's no reasoning to this at

all. Why would you default to an

8-year-old's judgment or viewpoints on

something as important as their gender?

It doesn't make any sense.

in their house to listen to their child.

And as I say to my kid, our rules are

our rules. Their rules are their rules.

Just because they do something doesn't

mean that we're going to do it or you're

going to be allowed what your friends

are doing. Right.

>> So, you can do whatever you want. So, I

have my own rules and one of them is you

can change your gender. Fair enough. But

would you let a child get a tattoo?

>> Well, no child is allowed to get a

tattoo until they're 16.

These people need to be oppressed.

They They're begging to be oppressed.

They're saying we need to be put in a

institution, in a jail, in

something.

>> 48. So they need consent [music] already

that's already looked after.

>> Why is that? Is that because it's a

lifelong decision?

>> Well, it's it's probably health and

safety. There's consent. There's

informed consent there. You know, we're

not talking I mean I know you're you're

going to try and hone in on the puberty

blockers piece, right?

>> Social transition is the first part of

this, right? Do you know what that is?

Social

>> I do. The cost review also found

>> Yeah. That's when all the adults in your

life try to groom you into being a girl

whenever you're not a girl. That's what

a social transition is.

If you're socially transitioning

somebody in a public school, I think

that you should have your education

license taken away and any of the

administrators that were aware of it or

enabled it should all be brought up

inside of grooming charges, federal

grooming charges.

It's because again guys, it's not enough

for them to lose their job. You have to

destroy their life.

You have to completely and absolutely

destroy their life. And only then will

they start listening.

And maybe that might not even be enough.

You might have to go around after the

people around them in order to create a

culture of fear to make other people

enforce this on each other. And I'm not

above that.

that socially transition child in most

cases would lead to that child going on

puberty blockers or hormones later in

life.

>> Some kids, yeah, not all kids.

>> I found that the majority of kids that

were so transition.

>> I mean, maybe that's right for them,

right?

>> And like that.

>> Maybe that's right for them.

>> It's a slow, gentle process. Like a kid

doesn't come in.

>> You know what else is a slow gentle

process? Grooming. Grooming is a Isn't

it crazy how you could have this? You

could literally just change the

vocabulary. You could change one word

and this person would be advocating for

themselves going to jail. It's a simple

process getting a it's a slow process

getting a kid to believe they're another

gender. Oh my god.

100% if you have the ability to screw

with a child's mental capacity at all.

Uh uh all too I don't to prove a point

or conduct some kind of social

experiment. Something's wrong with you.

Something is wrong with you. There is

something fundamentally wrong with these

people. There are this isn't going to

happen because the politicians don't

care about common people enough to make

it happen. I actually think that I

really think that a person who's willing

to go after these people and like really

actually like seriously go after them, I

think that they would get a huge amount

of public support. I think they would a

crazy amount of public support. the

moment that they just came out and they

said, "These people are dangerous,

deranged, pedophile freaks, and we're

going to treat them that way, which

means destroying every aspect of their

life systematically and then throwing

the book at them and putting them in

institutions and removing all of their

rights." The moment that you have a

person come out and say that, I think

that they are going to have a insane

amount of support.

I think people are tired of these weird

freaks running around trying to run

society. I think they're completely

tired of it. I know I'm tired of it. I

don't think I'm the only one. I think

there's a lot of people that they see

some weird uh I don't even know

what this is. This person uh going

around advocating for this stuff, like

molesting children, trying to groom them

into being another agender, trying to

have adults that aren't even the parents

doing it as well. I think that the

moment that you actually take a firm

stance against these people and you make

it not justice but punishment,

punishment and retribution

because that's what they deserve.

It is

>> ace and go.

>> Do you have an issue with trans adults?

No.

>> No, I don't have an issue with trans

adults at all. I don't think that you

can. Yeah. I don't I I don't think a

trans woman is a woman. I think they're

a trans woman,

but I don't have an issue with a person

transitioning as an adult.

That that's my perspective on it, right?

I'm not going to tell you that like I I

I I'm not going to say that like you're

not allowed to not say that. That's just

my my opinion.

>> I want to go puberty blockers. A kid

might come in at eight and go

>> Exactly. They'd be led down that path by

an adult.

>> No, they're not led down any path by any

adult. An adult might listen to them and

say, "Let's think about this. What feels

right? What isn't right? How does that

look for you?"

>> Now, I'm going to have to go cuz we're

>> How is that any different than grooming?

That's the exact same thing as grooming.

It's one for one

>> up on stage now. So, thank you very much

for your time. Cheers. Thanks very much.

Yeah. Take it easy.

>> Oh my god.

And so, there we stopped filming. My

cameraman was chased out of the park

with a man wearing Daddies for Trans

t-shirt. I was threatened with legal

action. Told my career would be ruined

if I released the footage and a group of

people would not let us leave. This is

also another reason why you need to go

after these people is because they'll go

after you. At the time I agreed to not

publish it because the situation had

become increasingly confrontational and

I didn't think it would be worth it.

I've changed my mind. If journalists are

willing to interview people that they

agree with, they also should be willing

to ask difficult questions about the

people that they disagree with. You hear

claims about the cast review, the most

comprehensive independent study of the

pediatric gender medicine date. It's

been debunked. You also hear Iceland

presented as a model for uh children's

gender care. These people deserve

scrutiny. Yes, exactly. I think it's

true.

>> Hi. Uh I'm Sandy. My pronouns are she,

her.

>> Because when people think of grooming,

they're thinking of a creep trying to

fort with an underage girl. They don't

know the actual definition of a word.

Well, whenever there's a creep trying to

flirt with an underage girl, it's

fundamentally an adult trying to coersse

a child into sexual behavior or into

some sort of sexual activity. This is

the same thing. This is an adult trying

to coersse and trying to lead a child to

a conclusion, a sexual decision that

they don't fully understand. How do they

how do we know that they don't fully

understand it? Because they're 8 years

old. That's how you tell they're pedos.

Uh the people that are targeting

eight-year-olds with this absolutely

are.

Yeah. I mean, absolutely. Of course, old

adults hold significant influence over

children. Yeah, definitely.

[snorts] It's called grooming. Age of

consent depends, but I do fully agree

with you. Age of consent does depend,

but I'm not talking about 16 [music] to

18. Okay? I'm talking about eight. 8 is

a very different conversation than 17,

okay? Like, I think that we all know

that. And obviously like 20 years old is

that that's your own decision. You're

not being groomed at that point, right?

Unless it's some kind of like weird

government thing like you know

like MK Ultra or something, right? The

problem is that you allow are okay with

adult people being trans. You have to be

okay with trans kids because it's the

adults that make the kids trans.

Well,

how about I like So you think that uh

it's the adults that make the kids

trans? I think that there are people out

there. So this is this is my opinion,

right? I think that there are people out

there who genuinely believe that they're

the opposite gender. I think that if you

ex if you just kind of do some thinking

about like what really is the scope of

human psychology, right? People think

all kinds of crazy things. There's

people that are schizophrenic, people

that think they talk to ghosts, etc. Is

it really outside of the ordinary to

expect that a person thinks they're

another gender? I I don't really think

that that's too outrageous [music] to

believe. So really I and again like you

could say that you shouldn't enable it.

You should you can say that I don't

agree with it. You can do any of that

stuff but I don't think that it

necessarily means that trans adults are

trying to talk to kids about being trans

and I don't think that they should do

that. And to the extent that they do

that means that I think they should be

put in jail. So in any of the instances

where you are accurate our solution to

this problem is probably the same. I

just don't think that it's a 100% ratio.

That's all.

Too much risk of society. Probably 85%

uh the parent encouraging their kids.

Well, it's women. It's it's mothers

encouraging their kids to be trans so

they can use them as social.

>> I think that's it.

>> They can say what they want to say. Even

if

>> Oh, this is Uhoh.

>> Man, this is He's trying to pick a side

with this. Oh god. I'll have a vanilla

latte, please.

>> Hey,

no,

no.

>> I'll have a vanilla latte, please.

>> Hey, this guy wants a vanilla latte.

>> I'm not a guy. My pronouns are she, her.

>> I'm sorry. She wants a vanilla latte.

>> Hey, did he want this ICED OR HOT? SHE I

AM A SHE [screaming]

I am so sorry, dude. I mean I mean

[laughter] man I mean ma'am.

>> SHE SHE

>> What are you doing? Are you crazy?

>> I can't help but he looks like a dude.

>> You know I'm sorry. If you don't stop,

this guy's going to shoot up our shop.

>> Sorry again. Enjoy your coffee.

>> Please come again. Have a good day, sir.

Oh

[laughter]

>> Oh my god.

>> Jesus Christ.

People are really having fun with this

character, huh? I wonder if this

character is going to enter the AI

cinematic universe.

I I wonder if they will because it's

been uh people really like this a lot.

They do. [snorts] And actually have to

like that, I guess. know and uh it's

just ridiculous.