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UNBOXING #03 - KE LAUT AJA

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So

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again my generation is at

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a crossroads and confused about where to go.

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In agriculture, it can't be done because they

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don't have the skills. Then in industry,

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it's been replaced by technology.

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One of the small solutions is to become a

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migrant worker or TKI. I want to be in e-commerce, but

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all the goods are imported. I'm

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curious about the sea. Actually,

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maybe there's still hope in the sea.

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Hey, Mas Yusuf. How is there still hope

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in the sea? Yes, but it's

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actually quite complex, Ben.

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Because let's see

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what the fate of the fishermen is like, idiot. The

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price of fuel has gone up. Pertalit

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costs Rp. 000,000 dollars. What's wrong? There are no

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goods, and the price is I,

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but they often pee on diesel here. If

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he sells it here, I'm

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happy. This one from here goes down to the

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sea. Wow, it smells. If only the camera could

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record the smell,

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everything is muddy. I'm blonde

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this year, it's a failure. II, you know, the harvest is good,

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people or

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there, I don't get it often at all. Uhammad

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The people don't

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When was the last time you ate

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lobster? It seems almost 2 months ago.

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hey bro w still rich he kay kay still

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rich if you when Ben last ate

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lobster

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Eh me 5 years ago wow Okay I

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2011 I think I've never eaten

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it See, Genzi is indeed the most often

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mentioned, adored but the most unlucky

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Why is that? Even though 2/3 of

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Indonesia's territory is actually ocean, it's very

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paradoxical, people fish

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everywhere, the territory is also large,

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right Well, there are some foods like eh

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shrimp lobster crab eh calamari

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squid and then there are

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also shellfish, they are also expensive, band like that,

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why is it like this Well,

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let's try to see Seafood is expensive,

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fishermen are also the poorest profession

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in fact in Indonesia, they are even

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poorer than construction workers,

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waste processing workers and

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restaurant service workers, the value is up to 11% of the

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poverty rate for fishermen Well, what are the

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actual problems that make

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fishermen poorer every year

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while seafood prices are rising Well,

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it's getting more expensive but the farmers

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have less and less welfare, eh,

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let's try to see together, actually, the

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problem in the sea What are the things

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that make our Fishermen

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increasingly poor, Mas? Well, the first is

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climate change, so

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one example of the story is that when the

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new Indonesian expedition, Mr.

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Farid Gaban and I visited

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one of the fishermen in Gunung Kidul,

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he told me there that eh

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pranatomoso or eh like the estimated

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fishing season can no

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longer be predicted, Ben, so it's like

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they can't determine when the

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fish will spawn, then suddenly, eh,

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the waters are no longer running, as the

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Javanese say, so it can't be

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predicted anymore, maybe that's one

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example of climate change, climate

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change, that's the fact Well, it's

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also in the farmers Oh, the same, Mas, yes, I Well,

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then there's also number two,

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environmental damage Well, Mr. Dandi Laksono,

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during this expedition,

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visited Dipati, where the

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fishermen are, Jepara, Mas, Karimun Jawa,

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Karimun Jawa and Jepara too, and Pati

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too, in Karimun Jawa, there is

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environmental damage because of

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shrimp pond waste, so regulations or

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rules for making shrimp ponds there are

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not strictly regulated, in

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Karimun Jawa, with This is the pond,

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they know, they

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know, but when we ask them, they say they have no

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permits, they don't have

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permits, only one has an

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OSS permit, it even pollutes the

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mangroves and the National Park area there,

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where there are actually

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many tourists and tourism, do they

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rely on tourism? Tourists

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come, but they can't

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enjoy it because the coastline is also

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damaged by shrimp pond waste.

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Well, there are also barges

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made of coal or barges that

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carry coal from Kalimantan that

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pass through Karimun Jawa National Park.

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So, there is also damage to the

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coral reefs, so it's also baching. Well, that's what

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makes tourism in

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Karimun Jawa National Park also start to

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decrease, the number of people interested in it because of

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environmental damage, the victims are also

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fishermen, fishermen again, sir, yes, again,

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so fishermen. If I'm not mistaken,

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seaweed fishermen, sir, seaweed fishermen

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and also fishermen, catch fish are also

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affected by coral reefs and

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mangroves because mangroves are

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fish spawning grounds, where

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fish lay eggs and grow up.

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Yes, the fish are raised

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there, PAUD, kindergarten to elementary school, more or less, still

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in the mangroves. Junior high school has started to get a little bit

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further to the middle of the high school, it's also getting further

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to the middle, just like if

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the coral reef is damaged, the coral reef fish are

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also lost G yes, it's damaged well by

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the barge ee The second one is also ee climate change makes the sea water temperature rise and that also causes bleaching or whitening in the coral where the coral is also damaged, divers have to listen when divers talk, we have to listen ng Okay, let's continue, well, this is another one,

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Mas, the price of energy or fuel is

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increasing, Mas, So, for example, it

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means the cost of going to sea is getting

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bigger Well, that, Mas, is also

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supported by the problem because the position

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was damaged, for example, if the fishermen's

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coast is damaged, the coral is damaged, it

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means they have to go further, Mas,

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to go to sea Well, after going further, it

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means their

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production costs are also getting higher because

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the cost of BPM is also increasing, G diesel

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or petrol that they use,

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so the fishermen are getting more and more pressured, Mas,

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there's also the issue of

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fishing gear Well, maybe Mas Dandi, who

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experienced the problem, can directly tell you

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how, what are the regulations regarding

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this fishing gear, Mas, I joined

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Kapalantrang, yes,

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Diti Laut Jawa jadiru because earlier it was

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like a vicious circle, so because

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the coast was damaged, fishermen were getting further out to the

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center and that meant they needed more fuel

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to be able to recoup their investment, the catch

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had to be bigger or more in order to

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catch more and

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more. The fishing gear had to be bigger

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so then they were tempted to go into

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fishing gear like

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canantrang or trol or tiger trawl

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so they would be able to scrape

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everything from the seabed to cover

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production costs so it was a vicious circle

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triggered by environmental damage on

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the coast and also in the sea which

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then with fishing gear like

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canrang, the

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environmental damage would be even bigger and the

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fish would be even rarer so that

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tomorrow the canrang would be even bigger

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so I didn't stop the talrang

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at that time because it was impossible for

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them, they were only allowed to fish 20

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miles from the coastline of Java and that was

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enough to help, let alone if it stopped.

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Well the problem is why should crang be

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banned, at most it's as big as

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my arm, maybe even bigger than

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my small arm, the crang boat has a

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radius of 2000 m, the

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big one is on average 6000 m. Well if it's

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only 6000 or 2000 m, it will go into the hook can it

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float, float, no, it's

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impossible, well, while the Java Sea is

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only 60

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m deep, it must reach the

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bottom, which is 2000 m long, that's the

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siping area because the sea is only 60 m

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deep, it immediately becomes a

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circle, circles are pulled, you

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gentlemen, you know, the

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Javanese chain is now flat because it's

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continuously trawled, Gar samaantrang, so it's like a

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ceramic floor, already

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below that, it's flat, Pantura lost its crabs,

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Pantura lost its

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shrimp, shrimp city

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from 1 to 2005, the government at that time, in

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2001, there was a minister who

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allowed foreign fishing vessels to buy

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fishing permits in Indonesia, that was the

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beginning of the destruction of Indonesian fisheries,

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so it was like a race with the

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damage, responded to with even

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more destructive methods,

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but yes, this is only part of the story

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because the biggest part is actually the

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policy on land, not

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just at sea, yes, sir, yes, so why is it that the

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existing policy in

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this series can actually damage the

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marine ecosystem, well, at that time we were in

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Banyuwangi, yes, sir, yes, so there is a

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mountain there called Mount Tempang

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Pitu, let's see Together,

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how is the condition of Mount Tempang Pitu

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now?

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In the past, this was the

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highest, this was the

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highest, but now only this is left, the highest,

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even this is

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now Le shorter, shorter

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than this, so it's gone, how many

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hundreds of meters up this mountain, so what's

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gone is the one on the left, the one on the left,

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what's gone, even though the mountain on the

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left is the

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highest, eh, the seven clusters, the mountain is

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the highest, but now it's the

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same, low,

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low. Well, that was Mount Tumang, that was

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Mr.

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Morsono. He also admitted that

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his fish catch is

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decreasing day by day

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because the bay where he catches

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fish is affected by sedimentation from mining. Yes,

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this is Mount Tumang, that's a

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gold mine, right? Yes, a gold mine, so

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it used to be a protected forest, but

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then it was opened for mining, and

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because it was opened, sedimentation into the sea,

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mudflow into the sea was big and that

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killed the ecosystem in the sea, so the

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fish are gone. Well, in the past, Mr. Mat

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Darsono was a fisherman from Pancer Harbor.

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Until now, but eh, the

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fish commodity continues to decrease, like before, which

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could reach hundreds of tons every day,

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now even 1 ton is not even reached, right?

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Yes We have recordings of

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empty fish warehouses in Tumbang

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Pitu So if he tells the usual story, ee

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dozens of trucks are lining up to

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take fish now, even the field

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can be used for eating, playing football

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or badminton, and so on Yeah, but

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actually, what is it that

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this land policy has such an impact on the

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marine ecosystem or marine regulations Well,

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that's just an example in Java with the scale of

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gold mining like Tumbang Pitu in

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Sulawesi Sulawesi and Maluku Sulawesi

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and Maluku Halmahera, there is ee

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aggressive expansion of nickel mining, yes

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downstream H, this is the nickel downstreaming product The champion

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of

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government programs Our government [

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then what will come that we will soon

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face is the geothermal and

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nickel bonana because 40% of the world's geothermal reserves

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are in Indonesia and eh what is

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called the energy transition

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is one of them is including

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geothermal as eh what is the main energy

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then then there is the transition eh

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electric vehicles, yes, which is actually a

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transition that is wrong because the

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momentum of this nickel Bonanza should be used

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to revolutionize our transportation from

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private to public based but what is

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done with

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this electric vehicle is changing

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private gasoline-based vehicles into

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other private vehicles based on eh

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batteries and the batteries are still

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being used using coal so the Double

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Impact that will occur coal in

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Kalimantan will not decrease because it is

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still used to charge vehicles

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while Sulawesi Halmahera Obi

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is used up for Nik so this is a

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wave of ecological economy and and

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human rights tragedy that we will soon

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face in the coming years

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whoever the president is so policies on

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land that damage the sea Yes that is one

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of them not only mining but

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policies that allow

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exploitation or

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excessive extraction of natural resources instant

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extraction will definitely damage the

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sustainability or existence of the

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fish themselves

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eh when we

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transition energy and take advantage of

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this nickel boom we should be directed to

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change the transportation pattern from

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public from private to public so that it is

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public transportation that becomes the

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solution public transportation that is electric

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eh much more

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in the context of the energy transition reducing

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congestion saving economic costs

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saving time and EE maintaining

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public health from pollution and all sorts of things

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that are much more significant than

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just replacing private

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gasoline-based vehicles with electric vehicles

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other personal based on electricity and

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nickel which in fact also still

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uses coal so there is one problem

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now, right, eh, what is nickel

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used for, eh, electric batteries, right,

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even though now

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actually a new technology has emerged, ee,

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electric batteries that don't need to use

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nickel, so we are like, eh, what are

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we like,

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ee, chasing something that actually

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ends up being fat, murgana, and now

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nickel prices are falling, right, because we are

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overexploiting and compared to other countries, our

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nickel reserves are not that great, we are also still behind

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Russia, Canada, and the

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Philippines, we are also similar,

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so

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we are not richer in nickel, but we are

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easier to sell nickel and

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easier to mine, that's what happened, well,

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even recently, hydrogen cars were developed,

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so people are increasingly

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open, there are many options, there are

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lithium, there are sodium, so all

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kinds of people are heading towards

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battery technology, right?

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Actually,

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this energy transition misunderstanding also occurs,

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eh, in coal, not only the mistake

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from coal to nickel, but also from

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coal to geothermal, this is

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another energy transition mistake that we

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found, eh, during the investigation

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they are looking for a way in their tight spot

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they push us and hold us We are

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women I pseudo

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don't finance PT geodipa if the

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World Bank finances PT geodipa it means the

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World Bank is killing us

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here l people died and 22 others

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were treated due to a leak in the

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Marapi geothermal drilling well in

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Mandiring Natal, North Sumatra one

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person died and five others were injured

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after a natural gas well pipe in the

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flooded Gigi Negara exploded

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I want to invite as the regent of

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Terenggalek far from obstacles

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far away

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dareng

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as soon as I become my butiob

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said perer

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become Regent is something like that lahk

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become Regent why not iso saapik

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easy words to stick

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gabrus because when I first

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met them I

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only had one hope why people

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like them don't sit in the

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legislature make policies why do

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n't they sit in the executive so we

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encourage we pray that it will be more

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useful not only through

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their films but a when passing

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his policies I pray the most

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I have friends like

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him who are critical from within then

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now I am in the framework of

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compiling the RBJPD

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Regional Long Term Development Plan

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I wrote a vision that might be torn apart So

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Ma'am I 2045 Ma'am

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Susi Mr. Busro Mr. Regent I wrote

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that 2045 vision of Trenggal is to become a

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net Zero carbon City

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by 45 and now

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I am doing eh

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carbon

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stock measurements so we measure it in the forest We

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can actually capture carbon

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How many kilos or matrix tons then the

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mangrove that I have on the coast

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which is about 600 hectares can

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reach how much then now

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I am transplanting turumbuk Coral

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because the hotter the earth is Sir Madam in

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shallow waters if I'm not

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mistaken Mrs. Su that if it gets hotter

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our corals will bleach

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if the corals are baching from the heat

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become white-white l Sir the corals are

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dead white-white yes the fish

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there don't feel comfortable there is no food there is no

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place and so and now we

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start to tanok later all

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How much is calculated then

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how much is the household activity Well, because now we

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have a goal like that, it

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locks the extractive activities

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in Trenggalek Regency. One

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of them is what is the gold mine? The

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mining sector, ladies and gentlemen,

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does not create any jobs

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at all, what creates

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damage. I desperately reject that.

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Now, even though they have a

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concession until

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2030, almost until 2030,

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they cannot operate because

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we have already held them for 3 years, they cannot

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operate. The condition is that after 3

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years, they must take care of the AMDAL, an

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analysis of the environmental impact. The

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condition is only an environmental permit from the Regent.

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Then, understand Regent Angel, they are

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not stupid. Ladies and gentlemen, the

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Australian company is now taking care of the gold mining permit

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as an

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MSME, what do you think? Because in the

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Omnibus Law, there is a

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risk-based permit, if the MSME

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can self-declare in the OSS, they can

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self-declare for their environmental permit,

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so they don't need to make a permit. So

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now they are included, so what

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can I do? What can I do

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now?

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If they bring in heavy equipment,

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even if their opponent is the

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army? or police but this is the army S

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police are my friends all of this if

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beheaded But if possible drop the

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others I'd rather be the Regent of Melok

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demonstrate with the community because

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there is no police

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Sir become the Regent Naho Then

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the area may be knocked down I'm good

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respected by people but tomorrow

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how will I be accountable

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then I'm very grateful that Trenggala is

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considered what A region that is still

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underdeveloped no investors want to

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come I'm grateful there Finally

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I found the path of the people's economy well what do

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we have ourselves when

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we arrived in Flores or places e

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geothermal development in Sumatra and

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in Java too

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we finally saw that e indeed It

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seems

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e what this energy must be done

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in participatory ways ee This means

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that people in places e

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places where the state takes energy in

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that place must involve the community

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so e the community doesn't feel what does

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n't feel abandoned because e

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doesn't feel that he was only taken UNT

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his place for natural resources

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while he feels

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Left behind what is it called then the third

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is then the second is the decision is

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all in the community So do

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they want their place to be used as an

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exploitation area for ee clean energy development

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which is said to be clean or not just involve the

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community maybe this

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will minimize conflicts in the

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field

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then the third is can we or can we or can we

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take energy from local sources for local sources

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so what energy is closest to the

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residents there? In

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my place, for example, in Sumba, when there is

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wind energy, can we or can

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we utilize that energy? So what is

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called energy decentralization

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is adjusted to local resources, such

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as water or wind or even

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ocean waves? Next is a

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small scale and not centralized, so

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how can this energy be built

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in villages that really need it?

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So if, for example, in Flores, they

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need geothermal energy for their

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own village, let them

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determine the scale themselves.

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How big is it because the

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environmental impacts that need to be taken into account, there are

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environmental impacts that we need to pay

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more to get it. A

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large scale like that, the last is

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community ownership, so it would be

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better if

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these energy ownership concepts are not capitalized by the

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state, for example, but given to

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residents who will manage it, who will

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maintain all

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environmental aspects, social aspects in

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it, like that, so it is really

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given to the community, which

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can be in the form of

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various fields, such as cooperatives,

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for example. It could happen like

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that, so I think those are the

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notes that need to be considered

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when you want to build an energy

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Our new renewable energy is already quite dizzy

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discussing job opportunities in

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several sectors in e-commerce,

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90% of goods are imported, in the

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industrial sector we have to compete with

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foreign workers and

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robotics technology in agriculture, it's really hard to

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find land, we thought about the

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Marine and Fisheries industry, it seemed like

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there was hope, but it turned out not to be

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possible, Ben and I need to travel

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further and look for

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job opportunities in the

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tourism industry, how does it feel to live in a

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homestay for people who live in the West,

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their culture is taken, their customs are

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not respected because there is no awareness,

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people who travel just travel,

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now the important thing is that I pay, I

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