How to Use GSR & BVP Meters of the Mind Mirror for New Users

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a good time of the day everyone welcome

to our

self trainers webinar

and this time we're going to talk about

uh gsigned uh bvp uh meteors on mind

mirror which is quite special biot

feedback that you can get in addition to

neurofeedback to brainwaves that you see

on the mind mirror

and once again i

we know already each other but very

briefly i will ask you just to name

yourself

say uh

name your location where you are from

and if you have particular interests or

wishes regarding today's meeting just

tell us about your expectations

you're welcome deborah you can be the

first one you're the first on my

participants list i'm i'm deborah and

i'm from asheville north carolina and my

past is sleep research and sleep

disorders medicine and that was 35 years

and then 10 years with the government

and

i was in universities so i have an

academic appointment you know academic

background anyway my um coming to the

mind has to do with my interest in

consciousness and biofeedback techniques

to really

bring coherence to the brain as we've

seen with the heart and also to the

hemispheres and i really think the mind

mirror can do that for us so we're

working out technology issues right now

with some of the equipment that i have

uh my interest in gsr these are body

indicators autonomic nervous system and

we want to connect the heart and the

mind we want body and mind to be

connected brain and and body so these

are good indicators to have the blood

volume uh that's perfect and the gsr i

have the whole practitioner's kit

because i wanted both brain and body to

be connected and i wanted the whole

package

so that's a little bit behind you know

of my background

and i've had really great success with

the mind mirrors gsr monitor and blood

volume no problem whatsoever uh it's

more the eeg side that has some kinks in

it right now but anyway um yeah they're

great meters to have and i love the

literature behind them right thank you

very much thank you yes yes great job on

the manual

okay

uh

barb you want to check in

yes

me mark yeah yes yes

oh thank you hi everybody

uh

i'm a musician

and uh

i have several interests i like to put

things together and

gadgeteer man you know and that's why uh

i i

gravitate towards the mind mirror but my

uh my history as a musicians go all the

way back to the 60s been around the

world travel a lot of bands blah blah

blah blah

uh in 2000

and what 2000 i uh

came down with the osteomyelitis in my

lower back

and that set me back as far as being a

road musician so now i spend most of my

time at

home uh and i've switched my

vocation

to

more or less like a hobby i gather

instruments from around the world like

hand drums i play flutes now

composing

so uh that keeps me going with the music

so i'm still in touch but

in relation to the mind mirror uh my

interest in consciousness uh mind tech

goes all the way back to the 70s

robert monroe and

oh my goodness

so many pioneers that were into that

and i i learned about uh

minoral beats

and

uh there were so many companies jumping

on on the bandwagon for that you know

and their technologies were really

limited

until i uh

got acquainted with anna wise and

maxwell cade and

and then

the light went off you know anna's

concept just made so much more sense

when she talks about symphony of

frequencies

um

opposed to the

ramping down from beta down to delta you

know single

brainwave patterns you know

they're still doing that now but uh man

anna's got

his brain state has a combination of

frequencies and that's what hooked me so

i've been with it ever since the

last year i got my mind mirror and i've

been working with that

and um

i'm still working with it you know what

what are your expectations i'm sorry

about today we're going to talk about

jsr and bvp

if you have any

uh what's that roxanna i'm just sorry to

interrupting you uh i'm i'm

trying to get you back to our topic we

are going to talk about jesus and bvp do

you have any particular expectations

about today's session with us

oh uh well myself i haven't really uh

hooked up with any uh

galvanic skin response sensors or the uh

you know the blood volume pulse i just

use the uh

the surface uh

uh electro's

myograph you know the uh

the artifact

indicator

to help me go down and as long as it's

in the narrow band

um

that's fine for me i i may get into that

though but i have used biofeedback

devices before you know

you're quite experienced

you probably will get into it after

today marv um and may i just add before

we go to craig is that marv is going to

be an upcoming presenter for us uh in a

pre-recorded interview we're going to

splice into

a practitioner's webinar on the

frequencies of

meditation music meditation and the

blind mirror okay that's going to be fun

yeah yes that's great

thank you for that okay thank you and

judy i'll say a few words from craig

because he has problems with his audio

settings so he wrote me a text that i

can speak out loud

so he is from as far as i know from

cameron park california

and he's he says he's relatively new

user to mind mirror and he's very

excited about incorporating it into his

current sound therapy practice

and if if you know i made a very nice

profile for every participant

participating so far in our meetings and

you can find his uh website link if

you're interested so he's eager and

excited to learn

and very thankful for this forum

wonderful i think on this note we can

switch to mind mirror and start

practicing with you

okay

um so i'm judith pennington and um have

been working with the mind mirror

for since 2005 and the ballistas mind

mirror 6 since

it was first developed since i

co-developed with steve clark four years

ago

um and from the start uh

it was clear

partly from the

work of max kade and anna wise that we

needed to integrate physiology meters

into the mind mirror eeg program

software program so we would have

both mind and body measurements

of course the central

concept as deborah alluded was is that

it's just one system consciousness body

mind they're all the same

and in awakened mind training

that works out for us to say that

what we experience in the body we're

going to experience in the mind and vice

versa if you relax the mind you're going

to relax the body

if you relax the body you're going to

relax the mind and

uh the more you relax the body the more

you relax the body uh the mind the

deeper uh

your

amplification

of brainwave frequencies so you're going

down and in amplifying your theta

amplifying your delta and as a direct

consequence the more profound and higher

your state of consciousness

that's how it works for most people

when it doesn't work that way

when we see a disjunction between the

mind and the body there's going to be

some very good reason and so the

sessions i'm going to show you uh during

this webinar will show you some of those

reasons and um

hopefully you'll have some jot down some

questions or break in with questions uh

at will and um

because you know questions uh can help

me remember to say things or

or that we can all come to new

realizations together so this can be an

exploration and not just me as a talking

head

so my talking head is going to disappear

now as i share screens with you and

select

the valistus i've started it with a

blank screen

and that is uh because i wanted to show

you

as soon as i can see

to show you

a

also how to

use the equipment while we're doing this

or just integrate

features and functions uses

while we're looking at these

so

the first thing to say

of course is that we want our sensor

configuration i had changed it i'm going

to change it back to the one person

settings which are always going to be

gsr

eeg and 2 and 6 gsrn3

blood volume pulse should not be there

that should be actually trigger event or

button if you have a manual trigger

button

and this five eeg that was set up for a

two person now let's set it for one

trigger event again always not active

here

um

i'm going to pull up a session here

under open existing session the one

we're going to look at

um

and double click to get the session in

you can see that

these are the same

we don't have to update we can keep the

settings current

the same ones

i am going to

bring up although we're not going to so

much use it

for this particular session but we will

for others so i'm going to bring up

under load

screen set

dominant frequency because i always like

to look at that and i'll show you why

also this has a run timer in it and

that's going to be useful to us

so this uh person uh is actually someone

uh who

was a family member of mine

and he

had a lot of stress

about just about everything in his life

and

so much so

that

i did not

want to hook him up to eeg nor did he

wanted to be hooked up to eeg so what

we're going to be looking at is

just how much information you can derive

from the mind mirror without

the presence of eeg

now this session is particularly

interesting because you see that the gsr

is working up here in the top left

window

but look at his lush state

it's a minus which would lead you to

believe that the gsr is not working

correctly

in fact as you'll see it is the reason

it's reading a minus is because this

person's arousal is so high that he's

not even registering

from a normal waking consciousness which

would be a zero

on the less scale

he's so aroused

that um that

we're going to see only a very slight

change and he never even moves into the

realm of zero

the other thing we're going to look at

he was also hooked up to blood volume

pulse

and

that's where we're going to really see

some interesting information on him

so how we pull this up as usual is to go

into view

and summary

uh galvanic skin response um i wanted to

mention this to you

just so you don't get confused when you

go to pull up the processing channel and

the

summary window

um we don't look at raw data from the

gsr sensor because basically it's just a

line of data that doesn't tell you

anything but what you'll notice here is

that there are two different sensors

a gsrb

and a gsrc

there's one b that is resistance and one

b that is skin conductance

we never used those

because they were not sensitive enough

for us to be able to

calibrate to maxcade's

esr

which is an incredibly highly sensitive

device so vallista's developed a whole

new gsr for us

the c

if you look at gsrc skin conductance and

you siemens which we do

then the gsr line is going to drop as

the person

relaxes

and

rise as the person arouses

that kind of makes more sense to me and

maybe it will to you too

if you were to use the gsrc resistance

ohms window

either to monitor it in real time or as

a summary window you would see the exact

opposite

so that

relaxation

is a rising line

and arousal is a declining line

you can do it whatever you weigh where

you want but when my shoulders drop to

me that's a declining line

so this

is david's

gsr window

and

it's not

uh

it's anomalous in just about every way

normally what you would see with the gsr

where relaxation is a declining line

is that

this line would in fact decline the

person would go along go along and as

they start to relax the line is going to

drop and then the less scale will have

some reading that goes from 0 to 6

depending on how much this line drops

but as we've said

david

was so far from relaxed that his whole

readings are quite anomalous

so if we look now and view and summary

to get his bbp readings

again raw data is just a pulsing line

doesn't help us very much

these other things

to biofeedback experts are going to have

some special meaning and use

we don't need them

and i don't even know what they mean

so

we're not going to bother with them

right now

and

instead we will just use pulse rate here

which is coming up very slowly but there

it is

all right

and we'll pull it over here

okay that's great

so um as you can see

the active scale for the gsr has fold

filled the whole screen here

the active scale for the blood volume

pulse is not going to be too much use to

us because it's not showing us

much specificity so in this case we want

to go left click on the mind mirror i

mean the blood volume pulse and right

click to get display options and now

we're going to also ask for a display

trendline and then a data range he his

lowest um is about he's actually a very

physically fit person

but far from a healthy person um in fact

he had uh at that at the time this

session was done a um

blood cancer

which

one could

certainly make a case was largely due to

his incredibly

aroused and

fearful and

anxiety-riddled consciousness

but nevertheless he had a pretty low

heart rate because he was physically fit

so we're going to make this data range

from 60

to

80 there's only a few spikes that go

above 80.

and whenever you choose a value here and

the data range typically the scale will

give you something higher anyway

and in fact it gave us 82.

so we do although we see these

something of this might even be some

sort of

um movement that would be artifact in

fact let's see if we can

remove artifact and see if that makes a

difference we'll leave it on the active

scale

but we might as well get a trend line

while we're there

uh it did not remove it well removed a

little bit of it

so this may be a hand movement or maybe

something i have some notes on this

session so we're going to be able to

make sense of what this data is actually

saying

okay so

we do see a lot of variation

in his heart rate

really from a

65

down at the bottom of this trend line

all the way up to maybe a 68

and um

even those teeniest tiniest measurements

are going to tell us something

about what's happened during the session

because the heartbeat speeds up

the heart rate increases when the person

becomes emotionally aroused and it

decreases when the person relaxes as

same with the gsr

so

let's look first uh going into here

it looks like he was

oh and let me also say that this was a

hypnosis session as a non-meditator

i knew that david was not

going to be able to hold his mind he's

got some

adhd as well was not going to be able to

hold his mind on the session so i used

hypnosis with him

and it looks like this is about where

his heart rate was

until this point right here then look at

this hugely

so let's put a marker in here

an event marker

and i'm going to left click on this

marker and look down at the second timer

clock which says that this is at

1748 that we see this big surge in his

um

his heart rate

so here's the back back story to the

session

what he came in with his intention he

wanted to decrease the amount of anxiety

and panic

to ease the frustration

and to concentrate better he need he

felt like he needs more patience and a

calm state of mind he was actually

changing jobs and moving to another

state and

um his family situation was changing at

the same time

so down here at marker um

1754

we've certainly had all the relaxation

you know in hypnosis it's

somewhat similar to meditation where

you're withdrawing into yourself you're

following your breath and hypnosis that

changes there are lots of other little

steps where you're checking to make sure

the person is really hypnotized we could

have checked easily if he had been

hooked up to eeg

but um certainly in the first

seven minutes the person should be very

relaxed

at the 17

minute point where he was

was looking at um

and he was in his subconscious mind

because he said that he um

was able to access

uh the empathy that he feels towards

others

um and he felt like that um

he was going to be able

with some inner work to become more

open-minded and understanding to think

on his feet and to do some creative work

but

at 2026 right

here

he started to address the part of him

and in fact

you know the autonomic nervous system

is the first to experience

something that's fearful the body will

react before the brain even knows

uh what's going on partly because you

know you're using your radar

your unconscious mind's radar and that

is correlated with the body

so at this point um he felt

disorganization

fear

panic frustration and uncertainty

uncertainty those were the things that

he wanted to address and i said so what

were the causes of that

2206 right about here

and his heart rate is still rising

he says fear of failure

he thought that maybe that that fear was

unfounded but it could be found it also

maybe he really was a failure however he

could see that he needed to stay calm

and confident by understanding that he

could manage his consciousness but still

his heart rate begins to rise continues

to rise until at 22 47

he is

looking

this is before he starts looking at his

good qualities

so he's he's still experiencing the fear

at this point 25 26 right here

the heart rate is starting to drop as he

starts sending his good qualities

to

other parts of his consciousness

so so this is a market drop for david we

put in a marker here and at other than

one other point up here at

2746 when he just

goes back into fear

he's really starting on a downward trend

of his peak fear right

and so um

you're going to hear in a practitioner's

webinar in on march the 26th from peter

staples more about this whole concept

that the

uh body mind and spirit uh even the

awakened mind

being one dynamic system uh peter's

going to do a whole webinar for us on

march the 26th

uh and and this is what we're starting

to see here

that all of these systems are start are

operating the same way so i'm going to

click over now to the

gsr window and just hit refresh to copy

those markers over

and what you can see is that when his

heart rate started to slow down

well now finally we're seeing some

relaxation in the gsr which continues on

down

as he starts to deal with the issues and

find solutions for them

his heart rate starts to decrease

however

then this is something that you'll see

in the gsr especially the relative

uh window which is this one here

is that after you have had

a an upsetting

uh

mentally or physically incident

then

the data line does not actually go back

down to where it was to start with it

takes a really long time

for uh the

heart rate to settle back down to where

it was and you know maybe he didn't even

do it the whole day same thing with the

gsr

if you see a big gsr peak say if you see

a gsr reading way down here and then a

big peak up here

then he's not going back down to here

he's going to stay up here somewhere

because it takes so long so what peter

is going to talk to us about is that

when

people experience

a big change in the physiology

they might be able to keep their

brainwave pattern if they have developed

some

level of mastery

but a truly healthy person is someone

who has fluidity and flexibility in the

body and mind and the body and mind are

operating together

so if you've got a terrific brainwave

pattern even as you're starting to panic

you see

that's fine that's wonderful

but you want the brain wave pattern

to

control the panic so it doesn't even

happen see

that's how the conscious mind the gamma

brain waves the gamma synchrony start to

manage the body

so so by the end of this session um

he dialogued with a part at 28 minutes

let me scroll over there he started to

dialogue here

actually this is really kind of where he

plummeted

from this this peak here

at the moment he started dialoguing with

the part that doesn't take very good

care of him

and what that part said slow down focus

concentrate shove away negative feelings

so we would have seen him down in his

theta here

if he had been hooked up to the eeg it

says breathe do some deep breathing

and so he does continue to do some deep

breathing um

he does

i teach him some slow breathing at 32

right here at this part here and so you

can see he's working on his breathing

and down he goes

the breathing caused him to relax and he

said yes that feels good i had him

breathe in to the count of two and out

to the count of four

um

and he said a couple of times when he

gasped for breath as he was doing oh i

had him envision his best self

37 minutes right here

doing the work in

virginia where he wanted to go and he

had a nice

down peak here and he continued with a

downward peak so that by the time he got

to the end of the session he felt a

whole lot better

huge drop in his gsr

absolutely precipitous draw

um and uh he he

came as low as he was probably going to

go

after he hit this content and started

working with the material of his mind

here

so now if you're doing a self-training

session you're not going to have these

notes like i do

when you as when you're working with a

practitioner

however you can set markers

uh if you set 10 markers you're probably

not going to remember what those markers

were about

but say

you're doing a meditation and you come

into contact with

some upsetting material and you suddenly

feel your heart starting to beat a

little faster

use that enter key to set a marker even

if you have to open your eyes to do it

and then you'll be able to go and see if

your heart rate really did speed up

because again see it's about that

subjective objective match

if that marker is right on the place

where that heartbeat peaked you go oh my

gosh

i remember exactly what that felt like

and what it felt like was that my heart

sped up so i know

that my heart jumped

its

rate by

eight beats per minute when i felt it

so then you can start teaching your body

um okay

i'm gonna do this breathing i'm gonna

master this heart rate

and um

that's how we gain more control over the

body

through the mind

and you can do this without you know

even without the eeg

is that making some sense

i'm going to take that as a yes

unless you're all muted

we are

all right great

all right now i want to show you someone

with uh eeg i

want to open her session just added her

down to the bottom

there she is

this is a friend of mine that i recently

did a session with because she's having

some physical difficulties

uh actually related to indigestion

this is a very very advanced woman in

every single way

except

that she

like david who you just saw

can have

stored issues

where

they just absolutely take over

the body

and when the reptilian brain gets

involved

the mind can fracture

and so leave you in an itchy

distractible state of consciousness

where um

you do not want to be

all right i'm going to stop her session

see i call this the timeline healing

this was a um

not a hypnosis session but i used

hypnosis techniques during it

in particular something called the

timeline not the self training i don't

want the self training i want the gamma

the g and then i'm going to hit the up

arrow

on the mind mirror window so we can get

the brain waves

all visible

here we go

so my friend is a reiki healer

uh she's a

master who goes around the world

teaching other people to do this work

and look at her lush scale

5.6

some of this could be because

not just because she's got this

beautiful awakened mind pattern which

she does as you can see on the eeg i'll

slow it down so you can see

in fact i'll put the uh

self-training

program on

so you can see it

frame by frame

at least one side of her brain is

beautifully located within the

lines of the awakened mind pattern

all the time she's a very awakened very

aware person and as a matter of fact

you can see she's got this beautiful

evolved mind flare there and you're

going to see lots of evolved mind

patterns with her

so the lesch scale says 5.8 and that's a

dead match with her brainwave patterns

down here on the lash this being this

table of subjective landmarks being in

the very back of your user manual

a five very lucid state of consciousness

feeling of deep satisfaction intense

alertness calmness and detachment

could be if your eyes are closed

and

somebody's not talking to you as i was

to her you could feel like you're

spacing out or disappearing from the

environment vivid imagery and she

certainly had that during this session

she felt like an altered state she had

many aha intuitive insights she's always

got a high performance mind

but also with that high alesh state

5.6 you saw her evolve mine flares and

indeed she had a lot of the

characteristics

uh subjective characteristics under

state six new way of feeling intuitive

insight into old problems as though seen

from a more aware level

that being the key to awaken mind

training

synthesis of opposites into a higher

union being surrounded by light higher

spiritual awareness the sense that

nothing else matters other than just

being bliss or indefinable peace greater

knowledge of the universe so those sorts

of things uh

match perfectly with what she was

experiencing and as this session goes on

she drops straight into alesh six and

you can see her right now under view

summary the gsr

and she dropped like a rock really fast

uh so

she dropped by

um

one minute and 44 seconds

we're

not even in a minute yet so

you can just watch her going down

so she knows how to manage her body with

her mind except for that part of her

that's wired with

certain issues that we dealt with in

this session

so we can look at her bvp

you know that you can look at bbp in two

different ways one is the hrv summary

it takes a moment to come up you have to

be patient because it's computing the

whole session

that gives the average you can see the

data line in here

you can see the average heart rate

the hrv index which we want to be

5 or 6 or above

for a really healthy

person stress index we'd like to see

that at a two or a three but hers is

very high because she's dealing with a

lot of content and so you're seeing

these peaks and valleys so though those

are

indicators of stress right

so this is not so useful for us

for one thing's it's averaging um

where she went in

with

as low as she got right

and in a content meditation we do much

better looking at

just this one so we can pinpoint changes

again the bvp window is

um

not so useful to us

because

uh the data is just too small

so what we're gonna do is i'm sorry

sometimes it's hard to talk and do at

the same time

okay we're going to change this with

display and options

with the trend line looks like she we

could go 60 to

90 with paula

yeah

uh that's not giving us much specificity

let me make sure i did that right oh

i didn't put in the 60.

see if we did active scale that is the

active scale so we're changing the data

range to zoom in

much much easier to see right

so you can see some interesting things

here um is that

her trend line

was increasing as she started to come

into contact with the issue

she starts dealing with the issue

the pulse rate drops

and it drops even further now i'm going

to tell you a few things about what she

was doing in this session just so you

can see the power and the sensitivity of

this instrument

um so we're looking still at these

gorgeous brain waves and we're going to

look at them in relation to

to these two windows

she didn't need to be out at 50 let's

put her on 30 micro volts with the down

arrow key

so the gsr window in this case is

absolutely no use to us whatsoever

because she dropped so fast

but the bvp is very useful to us to try

to understand what her experience was

the larger we make this window

the more detail we see in the data the

more

peaks and valleys we can see

so actually i will

run this along the underneath of my

mirror and make the mind mirror a little

bit smaller

so

we can look at it better

i love these resizable

windows and we're going to put a lot of

different things on her screen so you

can um

see

how to mix it up with other windows that

give you still more insights

all right so

what we were doing in dealing with her

physical illness

we were trying to go down and see

what it was

that was causing her to be so worried

about her children

so that she

felt like she

didn't want to interfere in their

affairs but that was leaving her feeling

as if she couldn't really say

what she wanted to say

and that was a bad place for her because

she senses that there are going to be

problems and she doesn't want her

children to suffer

every parent i'm sure will understand

that

right

if you have any kids you know that the

one way that your reptilian brain and

your

fight-or-flight response is going to get

triggered is something if you have a

fear for your children i mean that is

just i

personally uh have experienced that all

my life no matter how much meditation

that will just totally overcome your

system

the more you meditate the better you are

at overcoming it but nevertheless it

still has a powerful hold

so let's look then um

at not just her bbp but some

other things

one thing we can look at

i said before one of my favorite windows

you can see that she's very

symmetrically balanced so we can just

look at her left brain eeg for dominant

frequency

now as you know all of our windows are

amplitude windows beta alpha theta delta

gamma scmg artifact amplitude

but except for this one

this is the one we get some great

information out of because

whereas amplitude screens

ah let's see

we'll look at one in a minute amplitude

windows uh all have the lex left axis

measured in micro volts and dominant

frequency the left axis is frequencies

so we can literally watch the rise and

fall in consciousness

again display options and we're going to

get a trend line here we're pretty much

always

not always but mostly going to set our

data range from 0 to 12.

and even that's a little high

because

the

frequency bar

with the highest amplitude the greatest

amplitude is typically going to be in

10.5 alpha the classic alpha peak

amplitude is 10.5

now paulo's got some amplitudes peak

amplitudes happening here let me get

this

training off you can see she's dropping

down to nine so even at only five

minutes into the session

um

her she's got a changing alpha peak

um

and if we spread this thing out a little

bit more

you can see that she does drop some but

she's pretty steady in her dominant

frequency

all the way through the trend line shows

us that because she's basically

maintaining this exact same pattern

so then we say okay well that didn't

tell us anything

what could what else could tell us

something about her brain waves so that

we can try to get a match

with her

blood volume pulse

well one thing we can check

is her gamma amplitudes

i looked at this session before so i

already have a little bit of a

preview

but you can know the possibility of this

simply

if you haven't already watched that last

webinar we did on gamma

doing it for yourself because

um what we see is that when a person

relaxes

down as she is right here

down into this much theta and this much

delta and these many uh

evolve mind patterns

and at the same time

her

physiology is relaxing

um then you can be sure that you're

going to have some gamma that's going to

start to ride

on these higher frequencies

and

that's what i found before and

we're going to see it now

so let's just start comparing

uh these windows with what she was

actually experiencing in the meditation

so i'm going to put it on pause

so she's got a bit of a big peak here

um she's steady steady on well actually

we can look at this rise right here

and say what was happening because i'm

again keeping track

um she's moving here into her

environment

um

so she's steady on here i'm not talking

guiding her very much but her mind

activates her alpha activates she um

wakes up a little out of herself because

she's got all this low stuff going on in

theta delta right so she's really using

her alpha

and so you can say for

if there's a

heart rate baseline

for the awaken mind for paula it's going

to be right about here because you see

how that data line is so steady right in

here

when she's not very deep in meditation

but she's certainly you can see there's

no conscious mind activity here at all

she just boom goes down like a stone

and she pretty much stays there this is

at 10 29.

she is ah okay

right here before this first peak she is

now going deeper deeper into herself and

creating a

form

for the part that she wants to address

and this little tiny peak here is when

she gets in contact with the issue which

is having to hold her tongue

okay

so now the moment she gets in contact

with the issue up goes the heart rate

it's not a whole lot but anything counts

because of the sensitivity of this

instrument

uh boy it's really starting to zoom up

here at 15.21

minutes

here she is ah

she's looking uh at

the person she's having to hold her

tongue for and this is really stressing

her out and she felt

uh upset where else but in her solar

plexus right there where her indigestion

is so that's how she knew that this was

really what the issue was about and sure

enough you see her heart rate speeding

up

now it also starts to speed up a little

bit here

15

right here her gamma starts to rise

because of what we're doing in the

meditation and that is

and gamma when gamma shows up

you can see an uptick in the heart rate

they're very closely aligned again

because brain waves go to high frequency

which can excite the heart

to feel shivery and fluttery and

beat faster

at this point we're on the timeline

we're rising higher

and higher literally on the timeline

uh she is up in the air there's a line

that's going out in front of her for the

future a line that's in back over for

the past and she's standing in the

present

and

at this point right here

she

she is rising

toward the timeline and but then once

she gets up to the timeline she starts

to relax

she stops and looks down

this point right here

she is looking down

into the present

is that right yeah

so we're going to put a marker in here

add event marker

so this is where she's on the timeline

and she's fine with looking down on the

timeline

what she sees

is

that

her children

really want to be independent she really

wants to

honor her desire to

communicate in nurture as a mother now

she starts dropping her heart right here

because in this whole period of time

which is 2705

to

right about here before it substantially

goes up that's

32-27

she's really uh

dealing with the issue but also with the

help of a master consciousness that i

asked her to bring in

who would help her see

because

when things are really re really wired

into your system

and indeed

when she's dealing with the issue here

when she's dealing with the issue here

what she found was a very scary event in

her childhood that had wired her

to be hyper vigilant and she's got some

fantastic hyper vigilant delta waves

although mostly for her

having done so much inner work they're

turned up and they evolved mind bottom

but still she's got very strong

intuition and

radar and so here she said oh my gosh

it's the issue from my childhood i

thought i had dealt with that issue

and that's why i'm trying to take care

of my kids because i never saw it coming

and they don't know how to see things

coming and i need to warn them right

but so while she is having these

realizations and working with this

master her heart rate's dropping

and is dropping

for her pretty dog on low

her master tells her some really great

things

is that

she

how to transform the fear well

the master pulled her up i had her go in

the situation down in the situation from

the timeline i said how would your

master help help you resolve it and she

said well

by pulling me up out of the situation

and i thought about that and i went wait

a minute

escape is not a resolution

uh so i said well

what about if you injected love into

the situation that happened to you and

your childhood look at that boom down

goes the heart rate this whole area here

um

so by

that was

38 38 all this drop here is her

injecting love into the situation

reframing the situation which is not

just happening

you know in psychology it's happening in

the brain

in the neural pathways

in the neurotransmitters the reframing

is very real

so she's got

in this area

i asked her if there was

once she ejected love into it which she

perceived as light um

i said is there any difference uh in uh

your sense of worry and fear and she

said no there's a sense of letting go

and look here

she's letting go she's absolutely

letting go in this whole period now she

comes up a little bit here at 42 59

when i said look into the future

and project that sense of health and

peace into the future and she said

well she feels that

health and spirit

and can return it now and now she's

returning it to her body

down below which we have just

which we left down there so she could

rise up into the sky to the timeline

but then you would think wait is she

getting more upset is that what's

happening here

and in fact that is not what's happening

this is the effect of gamma so let me

put a marker in here

um this is where

she has been injecting this light and

let's go over here's one of my funniest

funnest things in here

where you put a left marker in the brain

waves you've got to put in resume first

sorry put the left click and there

and then hit the j and then look down at

this

left timer clock it says that the timing

in the my mirror is 23 and a half

minutes

which is this first marker

so we've jumped to the first marker so

let's just scroll around a little bit

in this 23

minute part where she is

working looking down into the past from

the timeline

okay now you're going to see her

um

big activity and her theta

how did i manage to get on 50 uh let me

up arrow here

get her back down to 30.

and right arrow

yeah i better do it in resume

probably wasn't hitting the right arrows

or any arrows okay um we might have to

watch her at 50. she's got a lot of

voltage this reiki stuff right

all right so we're 23.50 now she's in

that she's working on the timeline

she's actually unsuited her electrodes a

little you saw that red smg bar flare

down there

still lots of evolved mind

flares down at the bottom

and on the side

you can see her working out in her theta

her alpha's holding very very very well

look at the size of her

gamma

at this moment at 23.25

according to the second timer clock

this is before the gamma rises

put a marker in there for the beginning

of the gamma okay

this is where she is working on the

timeline this is before she brings in

the master before she injects the light

before the heart rate starts to drop

big theta big evolved mind flares okay

so i'm going to left click

hit the j again take us to

this marker here

at

4306 when she is

looking at my notes

uh projecting things into the future

uh her heart rate goes up

going back to the gamma window

right here

her gamma is still going up as her heart

rate goes up so

what's happened here

uh just to recap this

is that um paula's brainwaves

were profound the whole time

and they're getting more profound and

she's gaining gamma amplitudes

because she's spending more time down

here

in the very relaxed theta and delta

categories

in a in a sense

this is exactly what i said to start

with

as you relax the body or

relax the mind by going deeper into your

theta or your delta

or to a lower heart rate or a lower

sweat gland activity

you're going to go higher in

consciousness and here's the proof of it

right here

i want to

show you

a little bit more

specificity

so you can see that

this really is a very significant change

in her gamble you see

when she starts working on the timeline

bringing the master in

her her gamma waves are going up quite a

bit

and distinctly so

because of this plunge into the delta

because uh the heart rate has gone down

but the minute she starts to go up into

her higher gamma here

then her heart rate goes back up because

of the effects of camel

i hope that's not too confusing

what it's really meant to say

is that everything's interacting

to an extraordinary extent

and that if you will use all three of

these instruments what you're going to

end up with is a way uh

more

uh

and deeper understanding of just how

intrinsically linked they are

and uh

how it feels

so

by the end of this session

i said

so what is your ask your master

how you might handle this

and her response was i am not

responsible for them but i said do you

still have a longing to speak and she

said yes

and i said well ask the master how you

could speak with love and the master

said whatever you decide we just wants

what's best for you

so in the end

now that she understands

uh where the tension and the fear is

coming from

by having gone into her deep theta and

delta and encountered that past

experience

right in here

she can mitigate it by every time she

gets fearful for her children

and

and feels a disturbance in her solar

plexus which is her failing digestion

then she can say wait a minute

i already rewired that situation

and

let me calm my body down and remember

uh that it's my choice to speak or not

that basically

this is their lives and i am not

responsible for them

in the warp and woof of things

i mean of course you're responsible as a

parent

um

up to a certain age but once your

children are grown then you really have

to kind of leave that on the level of

the soul

and know that they

are not alone

so

just to recap that

i again i had the notes and you may not

have all these notes

but maybe you in a self training can put

a marker

when you have an insight

and a marker when you feel a shift

so you can come back later and make that

uh all-important subjective objective

match because once you make that match

um you know for her and for me and other

people who are tripping into these game

aways and she's she's really tripping

into them now

you can see she's got all this theta all

this delta look at her gamma increasing

up here up top right in the 60 hertz

band

um

you can tell

when you're

moving up into gamma frequencies there's

a buzz there's a feeling of lightness a

sense of light

uh and uh but

it does have an effect on the body so

you want to be aware beware of the

effect on the body and

know that about the importance of um

really

taking care of yourself by grounding

okay is that one making some good sense

you got any questions about that session

before we go to another one

yes

judith

while you were talking i was thinking

that maybe for some other

practitioners webinars you could think

of special maybe issues

or like hyper vigilance for example or

some other specific issues that you

dealt with in your practice successfully

and you could show maybe a few cases of

how it looks like and

what you would recommend to do and like

what meters to use

and another thought that i had was maybe

um

you could name few situations few cases

when

uh

for example we may just skip eeg

but just stick to gsi and bvp and that

would be enough for you know that

particular specific issue yeah

yeah could be

uh i mean as you said and as i mean i

learned talking to john yesterday

that um

when people uh

just start thinking negative thoughts

our heart is so sensitive that you will

instantly see the change in heart rate

variability

and it's kind of uh because he uh john

coates he lives in melbourne and here uh

does a great deal of uh you know work

with

hrv biofeedback so providing special

reports to rheumatologists and i'm going

to put together

uh our short interview

he's uh learning to use mind mirror now

to kind of combine his hiv experience

with brain waves but so far he is more

experienced in his

cubies software so

when he does his sessions he says okay

when people have rest you can clearly

see how

how calm and nice their heartbeat is

when they start thinking about their

problems you can see how it changes but

when they start speaking about their

problems

you know the speaks will be all over the

place yeah and then and then you can see

that when people uh

start uh kind of being conscious about

their breath and slowing down their

breath

and there is special thing there about

breath that

the kind of ideal pisces six cycles per

minute

uh it's kind of universal frequency that

really helps you to tap into kind of a

balance uh between your sympathetic

parasympathetic systems so it's kind of

it

takes your stress away and reminds your

body

how to function normally and he said the

best practice for like people having

stress is

um uh practice this breath maybe three

minutes three times a day i mean not

really for long because he said people

with anxiety and serious health problems

it's it's almost impossible for them to

breathe like 20 minutes in with this

pace

so it's it's a simple rule really six

breaths per minute

so i just and abdominal abdominal

breathing too it's really important yes

is that my i have a somebody just

reported to me that um i've been trying

to tell her for many years to manage her

breath

and um and i never occurred to me to say

abdominal and then she just learned from

somebody else abdominal she said it's a

totally different experience and now

it's really working for her

yeah right the uh

when you breathe from the from

lower down that's closer to your center

and you're getting whole

breath you know the whole lungs

so that's good too yeah deep

abdominal uh breathing is always

excellent yeah

singers are taught to breathe through

their abdominal muscles and in fact that

builds your core and it will build the

entire core structure that's what

pilates and yoga they all build the core

structure and that just helps the whole

system yes

makes a lot of sense

so um

you know these webinars

have been lasting a couple hours and i

see that we're at an hour and 11 minutes

right now do you want to look at one or

two more sessions

i would say just one yeah probably one

more yeah

okay that was my sense too

okay um well let me first clear the

desktop

uh

and open existing session

uh and yeah

um i have a question judith uh-huh how

do you mark when you're actually doing

one of these sessions

i wrote it down on a piece of paper um i

i have these drawing blanks uh when i'm

working with someone else how do you do

it when you're working on yourself

i just create a marker yeah it's uh you

hit the enter key yes and it puts the

marker in this oh it will okay you just

hit the enter key okay that's right

uh and um

there there is a possibility also of

hitting the um

space bar but i actually don't trust the

space bar anywhere near as much okay

right so now

in this case this is a two-person

session

where so it's saying proposed because i

have a one person on sensor

on

one and five and one person on two and

six so i'm going to say yes update it to

what's proposed

is now

i want to be able to look at summary

windows and now my sensor configuration

you see has updated

okay

so i'm just going to go to file and

load screen set

get one for two people

i

want this one

and i'm just going to press play to get

it going

g for the gamma window up arrow to get

the brain waves where you can see them

this is another gamma person

on the left you can see

she's got

significant gun well now she's moving

right now so you see the red semg bar

it's going to settle down but she's got

a lot of gamma

um

she on the right person for the camera

and then she's

uh

got much more uh activity in her theta

and delta

where his her activity is much in the

higher frequencies

now why i selected this one um is

because

this person is on the gsr

and this person is on the bbp

this person has very dry hands and

doesn't do very well on the gsr we since

learned that she could actually attach

them to her palm

we weren't sure that she would be

getting exactly the same reason reading

so we kept her on bbp instead

she does great with the gsr

but you can see that she's got kind of a

high left scale now we're just starting

that's fine but what you're going to see

is that her lush does not actually go

down

all that fast or all that much um

that's not true

in in some meditations that was the case

let me see i think in this one my notes

say that she went way down

yeah she actually did in this one she

dropped down on the lesh to

5.3 much more profound states

so

let's get out of the

equipment moving around stage

and then let's get up the summary

windows we'll go uh and get her gsr

summary first

you can see there's a lot of activity

um

a lot of changes

for her

but very specific change is a very

specific point she's up she's down

something makes her go up and down she

goes again

um what's fun about this is that they

had the same response on different

instruments

to

the same directions in the meditation

so in this particular meditation it's

one that we do in

seminar two or seminar three of the

practitioner trainings

in the meditation you are sitting in

an auditorium

and

feeling yourself that's a sensualization

part that gets you to the alpha your

experiencing yourself and the place

itself

and

then all of a sudden you look on the

stage and

first you see a stoplight of yourself

wow this is lower than i thought she's

actually

this person is a professional

biofeedback trainer

and she

works on herself in every way

i think that should do it 50 yeah that's

a little bit better but not 95 i want to

show her changes better let's make her

go to i don't know 70.

see what happens then okay that's better

uh so you're in this and you're watching

yourself uh on the left side of this uh

stage in a spotlight just as you are

uh and and then you see who you are you

um

and people have lots of different

experiences sometimes they

see themselves in their everyday clothes

sometimes they

see

something that they don't like about

themselves

and um and then

you

bring

some

your consciousness back to yourself and

audience

and then you

look to the right of the stage and you

begin to imbue

your self with the qualities of mastery

and that's exactly what these gals are

doing and

in this case we can really size them up

i was trying to see

if there was a way to stack these guys

as stackable as they are this is

two people on the same screen so it's

nope let's just save them like they are

because we're going to have the markers

that's was

we can spread them out for sure

maximize

all right

because we can refresh the screens we'll

be able to see where each one is

responding at the same time

all right so person number one

uh she's starting to take a plunge right

here so what's happening that helps her

take the plunge put in a marker

and then something happens in the middle

of her plunge

she goes up

again another marker

and she now she takes another plunge

another marker

so we go over to the other person's

blood volume pulse window and we hit

refresh to copy those markers over and

as you can see

they're having a lot of the same

responses now this person is steadier

she didn't have to take a plunge really

but

when she goes up

she goes up so what's happening

at this point in the meditation the

second timer clock says

it's at 15 54

at this point

they are

opening the curtain to see

their true selves

and

arousing in response to that ho

is that me is that what i look like

and they're mentally

having mental experiences

so if we hit the j

this takes us to

the second marker let me get it again so

we go to the first marker okay

here it is so this is the point at which

they are both

recognizing

uh

i'm looking at my notes

actually this is the point where they're

breathing ah just what we've said this

is the point where they're breathing in

relaxation

so this is what made her drop

um

because there's a relaxation before this

meditation starts so she's breathing in

relaxation but then at this point

1554

that's when they

open the curtain is open

they're watching their true self then

they're bringing

this consciousness

their consciousness back into themselves

as the person in the audience okay so

here's the activity when they're doing

that thing

for her

it's sweat gland activity in the gsr

for her it's an increased heart rate

just because of the mental activity

having that effect on the body okay they

do that then they go back into the

audience now

they're looking at the second

person the person on the right here

and they both start to draw

uh

they're in terms of relaxation and the

reason is because

what they're doing is imbuing

their

right-handed on the stage person with

the qualities of love and compassion

and

you can really see

in each one of them

uh

once this thing is bigger you can see

wow

she is having some big big drops

and even in the left scale these are

where she hits her most profound uh

states

of relaxation i think the lush is buried

back here let's see if i can pull him

back up

oh now her lashes down

here

i'll play it a little bit

so you can see what's happening

so they're on the stage

to get her down here with the jump j

j

now they're on the stage

her lashes at a 5.0 so she's definitely

in a really nice awakened mind pattern

right here

which is very unusual because normally

her gamma reduces her alpha

and her theta

so she's totally involved in this

meditation right now

she's still got more gamma than most

people do

but these are much more awakened mind

patterns for her and in fact you just

saw an evolved mind flare for her again

in conjunction with this for her the

deepest

some of the deepest relaxation states

that i've seen her in

for her it's a different experience

she's got this gigantic alpha but you

can see if we zoom in with the down

arrow key

you start seeing that she's got

some really beautiful evolved mind

flares happening here see that

zooming in helps us see the roundness in

her pattern

and that's all related to this very deep

relaxation point for her which is it

2844

and we can scroll right over there

right in here

this is when

you're seeing uh her greatest relaxation

i'll zoom out a little look the gigantic

theta and delta and in fact her gamma is

increasing too

i won't take your time to bring up the

gamma amplitude windows

but that's what's happening she had this

dead quiet no gamma whatsoever as her

theta and delta increase her gamma bills

and again in relationship to this super

for her lowest heart rate of all

so universal

effects

depending on

the guidance

or the experience in consciousness

from person number one boom same time

boom down she goes

uh once again we see the most profound

patterns occurring with the deepest

relaxation which is what the lesh scale

tells us this going predicts is going to

happen it does happen

but the extra thing that we're seeing

here

it that they didn't see before and we

only see because of the ballistas is

that this is when we see the buildup in

gamma

when a person who had little to no gamma

before

we can pull her up real fast because

just because i can't resist it

um

again my amplitude

display options

let's go zero to five

there's your gamma building right there

this is probably just artifact

in fact i know it was i saw her lights

flaring somewhere but there's her camel

building

as a result of the physical relaxation

as a result of the um

the big

delta and theta that you saw

so i guess

what i just wanted to show you here is

that there are expected

and inevitable effects

correlations

correlates in consciousness

relax the mind relax the body

but

when there are not when the coralists

are not there

it's because something has happened

so that's what we are looking at as

practitioners we're wanting to know hey

what made

the heart rate jump

or the gsr why did the person tent stop

but for you as self trainers the benefit

can be if you're setting these markers

with the enter key or if you have a

manual trigger button that you hold in

your lap setting the markers with that

you can make these correlations too

to the way you feel inside

to

um

to what it looks like in these in these

windows

and when you

touch an issue i mean you could even go

so far as to say if you're listening to

one of the personal transformation

meditations either analyzes or mine

and you hit the

uh

the

issue

and the data line rises

does it quiet down

as you've resolved the issue

do you end up with more unity in your

consciousness

and if you are

if you do see more unity

more

flow

in your mind more relaxation in your

body then you can rest assured that some

uh neural

rewiring

some neuroplasticity has taken place and

the next time you know the ego says

oh gee i've still got that issue you

could say uh no i don't think so thanks

for remembering but i want you to forget

because i am busy evolving myself

into something more than i was before

and it's a body-mind activity and um

lucky you uh reptile reptilian brain

uh that we have these instruments and we

can all

heal ourselves and transform ourselves

um for the good of all really

because of course what we bring out of

these meditations is what we're going to

project into the world

as a new way of being

so um you know

uh

you said

earlier why don't we do a practitioner's

thing on

these sorts of this is when it healed

thing uh with all these three

instruments absolutely

we could certainly break that down by

subjects but um i'm bringing this up now

again because i want to let you guys

know that

i do not personally have a ton of

sessions to share that have

uh eeg gsr and bbp because i made a card

cardinal mistake that i caution you

against in the user manual

and i did not back up my files

so i had a

window an unwanted un permitted windows

8.1 update that totally crashed

my

laptop computer and wiped out all of my

ballistas files

and

so that that doesn't happen to you

i'm going to do a little tiny takes

five minute thing showing you how to

export files onto a jump drive so that

you can

library uh file all of your recordings

in a library that's separate for your

computer should you have a crash because

they can all be imported right back in

i have lots of files but it's also true

that uh

we now have

i've certified four people uh as

awakened mind practitioners in the past

year and a half and they are building

files and oxana i'm sure you've got some

files to share too so

i think that that series about things

that we uh

wanted to

address topic-wise

could be about more than me for sure

and a good idea we'll pass it on i see

that deborah raised her hand it meant

she is filed

yes no no no no no i'm i want to talk

about the session that you just showed

us okay judith they're actually

interacting with each other yes they are

friends are they close friends do they

know each other well their brains are

act interacting with each other and the

person on the right is having a major

effect on the person on the left and

that's where i think you're getting all

this theta and delta and the evolved

mind pattern so not only do we see that

we

we are able to respond to you or whoever

is guiding or facilitating but they're

resonating with each other that's a

wonderful insight and major

it is major um they did not know each

other one is from alaska one is from new

zealand they were practitioners they

have both have beautiful but extremely

different

brainwaves

and um

they were bringing each other into

coherence with each other

they were the entire time and they got

along so beautifully wow but original

but basically very very different

personalities but they had this talk

about the qualities of mastery they had

this ability to meet each other

despite their different ways of

processing and seeing and they were just

so delightful to be with through the

whole training and delighted to be with

each other and what we saw was uh dawn's

gamma at times uh brought up um

joy's gamma

and at times joy's uh theta delta

brought

dawn into

more theta which was a nice grounding

thing for her marvelous and not only

that but they're also having an effect

on each other's bodies so their fields

are interacting with one another

dramatically they said so and as a

matter of fact um one time joy said

joy said wow i can really feel your buzz

dawn and

and and she really

had to

work to work on that in her body

to uh to not feel that buzz

all mastery all qualities of mastery uh

that we want to have because everybody

we meet is going to have different

brainwave patterns and they're going to

have different

energy fields aren't they and they're

going to have a very real effect on us

in

every possible way you've just shown it

with the mind mirror and in fact as an

example and as a display of how our

fields interact at all levels this not

only shows it to you objectively i mean

you know we know what we feel but this

shows it to you objectively and it's

just yes session for that you don't want

to lose this session

i've never seen such an amazing

mirroring going on between two people in

real time i mean this is pretty dramatic

well i can't wait to show you more um i

don't have too many more two-person

sessions except that some people thank

goodness um

have mind mirrors and

therefore i gave them copies of their

sessions so they're slowly a few at a

time mailing them back to me so that i

can rebuild my library here obsessions

but um yeah we're all going to see

things like this deborah i'm so thrilled

uh that you really appreciate this it is

a it's an exact mirror we're looking at

a mirror of consciousness and it's a

holographic mirror

i mean what's happening here in alpha is

where it's happening in the heart and

theta in the subconscious in the delta

it's happening in the field the whole

thing it's true the whole thing is a

field

but it's a hologram

and not only this but you know you

talked in the beginning about you know

the mind and the body being connected

not in our society that is our problem

they're disconnected so that what the

mind mirror brings in terms of a

tremendous contribution is in fact

training people to bring them together

and keep them together and keep them

coherent and that is a major major

contribution you are have a beautiful uh

way of synthesizing things and i really

appreciate that yeah well thank you no i

i just love this training and you have

just given us beautiful trainings and

your manuals are very very well written

with this technology

you know it's just the details we gotta

yeah yeah yeah over i keep reviewing but

um it is an amazing picture

um you know objective picture that we

don't often get i mean we all have a way

of thinking about it and intuiting it

but now you can actually demonstrate it

for others to see and that is really

that's major that's that's a real

contribution thank you thank you thank

you for seeing so much debra oh gosh

this was the example i think i was here

for

awesome

awesome thank you thank you very much i

would like uh people to share i mean

what they liked most maybe if they have

questions ask questions or just share

okay um i am trying to end the screen

share

aha

yes you are doing better each time

better and better

and faster

yes and i want to say that yes david

joined us

so but i kept people on mute so that we

don't have some other sounds and

because if there is a sound coming in it

will interfere with your speaker screen

and i don't want you know

people who will watch the recording to

see other people i don't know scratching

themselves eating

dogs and parrots yes so that's why i put

people on youtube and i think i hope you

understand why

yes

and i like how you you learn from those

incidences you know like muting the

background noise i see you've got uh

labels of names on each picture that's i

thought about that from the last session

you know

who's speaking you know and what is her

name or whatever that's great so yeah

anything else you would like to share or

i mean

what you liked about our session today

or what you would like to have in the

future some ideas any thoughts questions

you had

no

can you hear me i can't yeah hi

yes we can hear you now fantastic this

is amazing when technology works i just

wanted to

add to uh

in my own small way what deborah was

saying what you shared with this last

group was you know this last couple he

said it just validates

so powerfully the experience that i've

had in working in group settings

with people

in guided imagery and hypnosis in

meditation it just seems like the

experience is that much more powerful

and to be able to see that in what you

just demonstrated and have deborah so so

beautifully you know expand on that i i

just think that's fantastic and i want

to see more of that i want to continue

to work in group sessions

i'm excited that you're coming to study

with me craig because um with the work

you do it's it's just going to be

mind-blowing you're going to really be

able to add to our body of research all

of you um deborah this is so exciting i

mean we've got this new mind mirror

studies page

and um you know the skies there is no

limit not even the sky is the limit

there are no limits to the things we can

discover mark with music david whatever

strikes you

what does strike you david has been of

particular interest uh what do you want

to do with your mind mirror

yeah well i'm very new to it um

so i mean my you know i really

appreciate um

seeing all the different ways that we

can look at what happened in the past

so and my interest

currently is really working with the

feedback of it and

and changing my my brain in the present

for all of us

yeah that's for sure

well uh that's a

that's a wonderful at the the

most important scientific study of all

isn't it

that we can we can use these instruments

to do exactly that

can i just add one more thing of course

you know we've been talking about the

resonating um mirror imaging that we saw

in this last example you know that goes

right back to music it goes right back

to the harmonic frequencies of the

cosmos i mean we're talking about

resonating fields and it's at all levels

and the my mirror can show it to us on a

very physical personal level

that is something we have never really

seen before and with all the new work

coming out in neuroscience on the brain

this is you know the decade of the brain

we're looking at brain activity as field

wave propagation

all coming together for the first time

in our history as a human race i mean

we're we're starting to get it even

though our sages and you know the

various mystical traditions have been

talking about this for thousands of

years it's finally sinking in

and that i think is just so exciting

i'm glad i'm still alive to even see

something like this because i didn't

think it was going to happen

it had to it had to it was happening for

me and i always sent it for happened for

other people i wrote this book called

your psychic soul and um

it was supposed to be a book on how to

develop your intuition but i can't talk

about anything unless brain waves comes

into it so about the second half

is all about brain waves and it starts

to synthesize all of the modern research

coming out that's come out of ions and

the mind and life institute everything

we're talking about

teaching here how gamma works this new

human

um and um i i tell you

what a great time to be alive that's

right because we're holding hold in a

space you know no matter what goes crazy

down here

there is a an effect a

coherent field

and the numbers of us as our numbers

grow you know this has got to slow down

it's just got to slow down until finally

it does this

we we match it and

hopefully hopefully that's it

yeah

well great session roxanna you want to

close this out that's the time that's

the time so

i just want to remind that uh the next

session uh for cell trainers will be on

the 19th of march and i hope this is

okay with you there is no conflict with

easter celebrations because judith you

mentioned

in your letter that 19th is around

easter time

though i'm a little bit

from this holiday so if it's okay it's

19. um

i'll i'll play around the time because i

want to kind of change it make it more

flexible so that you know maybe some

other people can join from other parts

of the world right okay um

well deborah you're out here and um

i'm in nashville i should know that i

just sent you something like this are

you the same david you're in california

connecticut connecticut oh so okay so

marv you and uh now craig you're out in

california

um so

uh we were talking about making it eight

a.m next time but that'd be tough on you

you'd be up at six correct

i was talking about sorry uh judith i

was talking about practitioners one

where you would like to invite peter

staples

and i was you want to keep them at the

same time

i can i can change them it doesn't

matter okay i can change them depending

on speakers depending on participants so

for peter staples yes we have probably

just you know

one option make it 12 1

pm his time because

the rest of the world will be unable to

match with him and those for whom it's

too early they could always watch the

recording later

while we do recordings

okay

thank you

yeah i just uh add into that um that if

you guys have suggestions for topics for

the next one to just email oksana and me

and otherwise we'll just keep making

things up because

the ones that you've suggested on the

list you know when you were

brainstorming and putting topics for you

know each group

so it was um audio and video feedback

and how to import files for that so

if you like maybe i had another idea uh

if you had some correlations between

music and how mind and other you know

bio feedback

kind of re relates play with the

connects to the music that could be

something to talk about and we can just

we will speak about this music thing so

just play around let's have a thought

about that because i think it's exciting

for everyone it's why don't you and i

hang over after the meeting yeah i think

why don't you and i hang around uh hang

together after this meeting and

we'll brainstorm some stuff

but also your suggestions still are

welcome we want to do this in a

uh

a somewhat linear obviously a

holistic but also somewhat linear way so

that we're skills building

so if you if there's something you don't

understand or you've had trouble with

that's what we want to address so we can

keep

the expertise growing even as we

understand the theory and the practices

more

right

yeah and then

so uh i'll be in touch with you judy

about the the interview

yes

i'm glad i didn't blink out because of

the computer so perfect

thank you all for being here it's been

such a pleasure yes thank you

thank you

see you next time

take care thank you bye take care

everybody