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Harrisburg City Planning Commission Meeting - 5/7/2026

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like to call the Harshburg Planning

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Commission to order at approximately

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632.

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Um commissioners, um you received your

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April 1st, 20

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26 meeting minutes. Are there any

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changes, additions, deletions?

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If not, could I get a motion for

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approval?

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Move to approve.

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>> Is there a second?

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>> Second.

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>> It's been moved and second approval of

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the minutes as they are. All those in

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favor state by saying I.

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>> I.

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>> I.

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>> Opposed. Abstention.

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Motion carried.

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Under old business. This is a zoning

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code amendment

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uh for signage regulations outlined in

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chapter 7-325

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of the zoning code. is filed by the

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hashtra plane bureau and is to revise

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and streamline the ordinance to support

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city businesses and organizations

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accommodate modern signage best

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practices and ensure new signage designs

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are compatible with surrounding

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neighborhoods. Yes.

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>> Uh yes,

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>> sorry. Uh yeah. So, um I know we were

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kind of hoping Vern was going to be able

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to be here uh as I think he is the only

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uh commissioner we hadn't heard from uh

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yet regarding uh the uh signage

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regulations. Uh but he is clearly not

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here uh this afternoon. So, uh, I don't

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know, um, whether the rest of the

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commissioners feel comfortable moving

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ahead and just, uh, uh, taking action,

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uh, with maybe some additional

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discussion or whether you would like to

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wait to hear from, uh, Commissioner

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McKisik.

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Commissioners, it's your

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>> Okay.

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I mean, I I don't think so. I think um

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you know, it's important to get it right

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here as it leaves uh the planning

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commission and and to hear from

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everybody. Uh and I know we have heard

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from the rest of the commissioners. So,

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I don't I don't think I don't think

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there's I don't think there's a harm in

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postponing another month.

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>> Okay.

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>> Could I get a motion to continue this

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until the next meeting?

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>> Is there a second? Second.

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>> It's been moved a second to continue

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this until the next uh our next meeting.

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All those in favor state by saying I

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>> oppose.

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Motion carries.

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Uh item number two. This is a a variance

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and special exception application for

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1854 through 1860 W Street. This is the

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zone RM is followed by area cosmos

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and establish a multif family going use

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through consolidation of multiple lots

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with individual residencies into a

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single lot and to construct required off

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street parking and rear yard.

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Y okay. So the applicant is proposing to

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consolidate four subject properties into

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a single parcel which will consolidate

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three single family dwellings and a

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mixeduse building proposed for

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conversion to two units to create a

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5-unit multif family dwelling which

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requires zoning hearing board approval

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of a special exception for the proposed

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use per section 7-305.7 the zoning code

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and a variance for encroachment of

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parking space in the rear yard setback.

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The properties at 1854 to 1860 Walnut

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Street total 2 acres and feature a row

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of connected 2 and 1/2 story structures

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which were constructed circa 1900.

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Properties abounded by Apricot Alley to

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the north. The properties at 510 North

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19th Street and 1862 Walnut Street to

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the east, Walnut Street to the south,

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and the property at 1852 Walnut Street

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to the west. This row of attached

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structures features elements of the

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Italian 8 and vernacular architectural

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styles. Character defining features

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include the varied facade and treatments

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including vinyl, vertical wood and wood

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wooden shingle siding, the seconds story

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porch on the front elevation connecting

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three of the four buildings and the

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prominent dormers. The main entrances

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feature primarily feature paneled metal

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doors set within simple frames. Although

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the property at 1861 street features a

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half view pane with simulated divide

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light mountains, they are accessed by

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small concrete patios. Penetration

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features windows in a variety of sizes,

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shape, shapes, sizes, pane

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configurations, and settings. Although

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most of the windows on the rear

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elevations are one over one. Properties

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at 1854 and 1856 W Street feature

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prominent dormers on the on the third

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floor with simple pediments. Structures

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are topped with steep gable roofs clad

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and asphalt shingles. The front yards of

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all four properties are are enclosed by

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4ft high chainlink fences and are

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covered by pavers or astroturf. The rear

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yards are relatively undeveloped and

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feature a gravel parking lot that

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extends across all four lots. Although

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the properties are somewhat similar in

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massing to other properties along Walnut

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Street and and in the surrounding

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neighborhood, they have been

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significantly altered in a variety of

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ways. As such, the buildings do not

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contribute to the architectural

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character of the streetscape and

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neighborhood.

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The planning bureau staff recommends the

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request be approved with the following

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conditions. Uh, the applicant should

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remove the existing non-conforming and

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unpermitted parking in the rear yard and

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replace this parking with six head-end

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parking spaces directly accessible from

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Apricot Alley. And the applicant should

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remove the gravel constituting the

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current parking area and either plant

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grass or install amenities for the

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benefits of tenants. If granted zoning

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approval to move forward with the

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project as proposed, the applicant shall

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allow the codes bureau to perform a

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comprehensive inspection of 1860 Walnut

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Street to identify any outstanding code

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violations related to the unpermitted

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establishment of the first floor

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residential unit and will receive

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approval for all necessary city permits

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prior to receiving a certificate of

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occupancy. Plan B staff recommends the

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request be approved for the following

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reasons. The proposal will not

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appreciably change the existing

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configuration of the properties on site

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aside from the conversion of firstf

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flooror commercial space at 1860 Walnut

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Street into an additional residential

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unit which will limit the impact on the

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surrounding neighborhood. If the

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condition of the planning bureau is

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adopted, the configuration of the

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consolidated property will be enhanced

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to provide tenants with more outdoor

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space to remove non-conforming parking

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surfaces and imperous surface and to

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create more recreational recreational

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and relaxation space for tenants of the

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properties. And finally, whatever

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parking configuration is ultimately

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approved, the applicant will need to

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coordinate with Capitol Regional Water

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on Storm Water Management for the

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proposed parking areas.

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>> Thank you, Jeff.

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>> Yes.

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>> State your name, address, and

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relationship to the project.

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>> My name is Arya Carmason. Address is 752

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Willow Street, Lebanon, Pennsylvania. I

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am uh the architect for the client uh

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that just purchased the properties.

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>> Okay. You heard the staff report

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[clears throat] with the two conditions.

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Are you acceptable of those conditions?

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>> Uh yes. I didn't quite get all of it. I

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believe it was uh no gravel and

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uh yeah. So the two conditions uh were

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that uh the gravel parking lot in the

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rear yards of the properties uh will be

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removed and replaced with um six spaces

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directly accessible from Apricot Alley.

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um so that the rear yards can be

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returned to grass or you know space for

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uh tenants. And then the second one is

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ensuring that uh 1860 Walnut Street uh

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have a thorough codes inspection. Um I

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note in the application it sounded as

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though there was a residential unit

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established um in the former salon that

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was located 1860. And um our records

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don't show that ever having been

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approved or inspected. So, we want to

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make sure that's inspected to just

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ensure that any electrical or plumbing

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work was done correctly.

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>> Okay.

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>> Yes.

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>> Uh, did you want to add anything to the

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report?

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>> Not at this time.

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>> Okay. Um, Jeff, um, what's the

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requirements for their parking?

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>> Uh, so for the five total units that

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will be on site, they would be required

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to have six spaces.

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And you said they do have seven

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>> uh they have seven uh shown in the

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drawing, but again that's just like in

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the existing gravel parking area, which

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you can't really um specify because you

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can't like line gravel. Uh so uh what

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we're saying is that they should have

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parking directly accessible from Apricot

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Alley, which is what most of the other

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properties along uh this block of

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Apricot Alley have, just a you know

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concrete parking pad in their rear yard.

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uh something like that and then have the

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yard returned to grass or whatever for

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uh the benefit of the tenants.

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>> I'm sorry. Hold on just so I can

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visualize what you're saying here.

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>> Yeah. like you would just pull in right

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from uh I cut alley into each of the

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spaces. Yep.

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>> How many spaces?

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>> Uh so the rear the rear property line of

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the consolidated lots will be about 67

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ft. Um and uh at uh the required

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dimensions of parking spaces 9 ft wide

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by 18 ft long. You'd be able to fit um

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seven well I guess you'd be able to fit

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uh seven spaces in there

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>> this way. Uh yes,

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along the back if it's 66

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>> unless it's7

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>> uh it was I mean at 67 I I added the uh

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property line width from the county

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website.

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>> So no clearance. Why I measured it?

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Okay.

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>> Yeah. So if you say there's seven

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spaces,

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>> they would only and again only six

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spaces would be required uh to meet the

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requirements of the zoning code.

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>> [clears throat]

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>> No, I think

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>> Oh, the other question. Have you um

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communicated with the um community at

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all? I know they have a community

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organization out there. I haven't uh

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commu uh communicated with them in in

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that sense, but I did send out some

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letters and I did uh receive from phone

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calls which I I talked to them and

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explained what we were doing

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>> and most of them were acceptable.

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>> Yes.

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>> Commissioners, I see any questions I

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have so far. So if you have any

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questions or concerns, we'll start with

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Commissioner.

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Yeah, I have no concerns. We're going

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from a four units to five. It's not too

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drastic and it's going to be a

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significant improvement. So, yeah, I

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have no concerns.

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>> Commissioner,

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>> um just a question on the size of the

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units like how many bedrooms would they

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be in?

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>> Um

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I don't recall because all these were

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existing. Um let me see. I know cuz I

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went into into the one it was or

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actually I went to to two over here. So

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one had three bedrooms, the other one

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had both these had three bedrooms.

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>> I'm not sure about these. They might be

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two two or three bedrooms.

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>> Commission.

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>> Yeah. Uh I do have a couple questions.

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Um uh well a clarification first. So

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the structure, it's three separate

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parcels. Three, three separate lots.

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>> Four.

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>> Four separate lots. Correct.

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>> And there's like one dwelling per lot

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except for the fourth one which has the

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mixed use.

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>> Yes.

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>> So the owner is purchasing has purchased

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>> all of them.

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>> Yes, he owns all all of them.

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>> So okay. Did they submit a lot

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consolidation plan?

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>> Uh yes.

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Okay, missed that part. Um, and then

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chef, you mentioned about coordinating

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with CRW for storm water, but they would

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need to submit a land development plan.

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>> Uh, we wouldn't have a land development

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plan, meaning for the establishment of

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the parking.

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>> Well, if they're making this a larger

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lot and then putting like you're

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essentially you're consolidating these

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structures into one building and you're

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adding which is impervious area onto the

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lot. Wouldn't that

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>> So for

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>> be a land development plan.

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>> So they're just I mean so they're doing

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the lot consolidation which is kind of a

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land development plan. It's like a minor

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land development plan. They're not

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building any new structures on. They've

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got these four buildings on separate

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parcels. And uh what this what this grew

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out of was we got a this was brought to

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our attention again by the floodplane

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zoning process that uh brought some

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other uh uh conversions to our

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attention. Um and so in discussing it

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with um the applicant, they were

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proposing to convert 1860 Walnut Street

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to two units. And uh through the through

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our coordination where where I told them

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well that requires a um special

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exception to create a multi family

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dwelling and there might be uh a

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variance for a leaf from the density. Uh

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he noted that the singular entity had

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purchased all four of these properties.

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And when you look at the four properties

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in total they would provide they would

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allow up to six units by right. So

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they're creating five there's going to

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be a five unit multi family dwelling but

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they're only really creating one

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dwelling unit as part of this process.

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And so they'll have one lot with five

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units on it. We would consider that a

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multif family dwelling because you have

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five units on one lot. Um even though

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they're all already existing.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Um but then

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>> you are increasing the impervious area

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on that lot. Well, so they're going to I

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think with the recommended uh changes

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from the case report, they'll actually

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reduce the overall impervious surface

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because CRW considers gravel to be

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impervious surface. It has to be

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designed specially to handle storm water

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for them to consider that uh pvious

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surface. So, by removing the gravel

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that's all over the kind of the backyard

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right now, um, and just creating the

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parking off the alley, uh, they would

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actually, I think, reduce the overall,

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uh, impervious surface area of the of

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the property.

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>> Are you okay? So, you in your condition

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talking about changing it to six head

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spaces. Are you okay then? Like, are you

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basically saying granting any sort of

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waiver if the parking spaces go into the

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setbacks? Well, yeah, and that was the

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that's the variance that's noted in um

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uh in the request there. It says and to

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construct required off- streetet parking

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in a rear yard setback. So, that's what

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the variance is requesting there

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>> for the way they have it current the way

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they're proposing to configure it.

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>> Well, the proposal is I mean there's

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varying uh non-conforming aspects there

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of like having the gravel, not having

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like line parking. um

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you know, encroachment into setbacks

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because they're all again different lot

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lines until the lots are formerly

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consolidated. Um but the proposal to

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just move that parking directly

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accessible from Apricot Alley just

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requires that one zoning relief uh for

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encroachment into the setback. They

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could in theory build like a 10-ft deep

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um driveway and then have an additional

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18 ft for the parking spaces and that

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would not be in the setback because

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driveways are permitted to across a um

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setback area. Uh but that would also

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waste a lot of the land to do something

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like that. So we're just basically

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saying remove the that driveway um that

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you would you know create to get around

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the variance requirement and just put

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those parking spaces in the rear yard.

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or sorry the rear yard setback.

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>> Can I add a note about that? Uh there

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there is a a utility pole in that area

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too. So that might interfere with one of

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the parking spaces

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>> and if that interferes with one I think

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yeah I did I did see that during the

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site visit. I I think you'd be able to

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still put like five on one side and and

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one on the other or four on one side and

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two on the other. So I think you'd still

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be able to work

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>> with that.

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Um, re realistically we can get five

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parking spaces there. So,

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>> I have no other questions.

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>> Commissioner Jordan.

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>> Yes. Um, so in the picture here, you

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have like I guess it's like a overhead

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structure for parking spaces.

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>> Yes. Is that going to be removed or

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altered?

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>> Yes, that's going to be removed. Um, I

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was told that it wasn't permitted

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originally, so we're gonna have it taken

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down.

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>> Commission Vincent.

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>> No. Um, thanks for making the changes to

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be in better conformance with the zoning

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code.

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>> Simple.

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>> Okay. Uh, with that, we'll go to the

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public. If anyone is for against this

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project, please stand, state your name

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and address. And I'll start to my left.

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Senator

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on the right. Okay. Commissioners,

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can I get a motion?

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>> Motion to approve conditions.

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>> Is there a second?

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>> Second.

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>> It's been moved and second for the

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approval of this project with

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conditions. All those in favor state by

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saying I

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>> opposed.

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Motion carry.

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>> Thank you. do the work.

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>> The item number three is a variance and

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special application for 1257 and 1259.

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Uh this is zone RM and is followed by

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Arthur Jefferson with South Central

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Pennsylvania Restoration LLC.

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It's to consolidate the subject

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properties and request the zoning relief

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necessary to construct a six unit multif

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family dwelling and to request relief

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from the all street parking

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requirements. Jeff.

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>> Uh yep. So, the applicant is proposing

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to consolidate the subject parcels and

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construct a three-story six-unit multif

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family dwelling with a rooftop patio

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common area. This project requires

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zoning hearing board approval of two

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special exceptions for the proposed use

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and relief from the off street parking

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requirements per section 7-305.7

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and 7-327.6

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of the zoning code respectively and two

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variances for relief from the density

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and allowable building width regulations

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in section 7-307.3

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of the zoning code. Project will include

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three one-bedroom units and three

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two-bedroom units. The project site is

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comprised of two vacant parcels totaling

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06 acres which feature overgrown

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vegetation at the rear of the lot.

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Project site is bounded by Walnut Street

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to the north, the property at 1261

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Walnut Street to the east, the property

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at 46 Lynden Street to the south, and a

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narrow public right ofway to the west.

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The planning bureau staff recommends the

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request be approved with the following

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conditions. Uh, the applicant must

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submit a lot consolidation and land

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development plan application and receive

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approval from the planning commission

20:26

and city council. And the applicant must

20:29

receive approval from the Harrisburg

20:30

Architecture Review Board, which I

20:32

believe they did receive on Monday. Uh,

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the planning bureau staff recommends the

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request be approved for the following

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reasons. The decadesl long vacancy of

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the subject properties demonstrates the

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challenges inherent in identifying

20:43

appropriate and feasible redevelopment

20:45

projects and thus supports the requested

20:47

relief for the development of a six-unit

20:48

multif family dwelling. The

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configuration of the property with

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limited frontage along public rights

20:53

ofway and surrounded on three sides with

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developed lots presents challenges

20:57

regarding access to the property and

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supports the requested relief from off-

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streetet parking. The project will

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improve currently vacant and

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unmaintained lots with affordable units

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that are pressing need in the city

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generally and the neighborhood

21:08

specifically. The applicant also

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responded to a solicitation from the

21:12

city for redevelopment of the site as

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affordable housing which necessitates

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additional relief from the zoning

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regulations. And finally, the proposed

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building design incorporates a number of

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novel features for projects in the city,

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including the incorporation of a rooftop

21:25

deck, green roof, and solar panel array.

21:28

The pro the property will also be

21:30

operated as a cooperative housing model

21:32

that will retain affordability over

21:34

time.

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>> Thank you, John. Could you state your

21:37

names, address, and relationship to the

21:40

project?

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>> Can you speak?

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>> Uh, press the button on there. Yeah.

21:47

Thank you. I'm Duran Sawyers, uh,

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co-owner of South Central PA

21:51

Restoration.

21:55

I'm sorry. Address 1400 Karen Drive,

21:57

Harrisburg, PA.

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My name is Arthur Jefferson. My address

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is 1952 Manitor Street. And I again the

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co-owner of South Central PA

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Restoration, which will serve as the

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general contractor and the developer of

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the project.

22:16

>> Okay. You both heard the staff report.

22:19

Are you acceptable of the three

22:21

conditions?

22:23

>> Yes. Yes.

22:24

>> Do you want to add anything to the

22:26

report?

22:28

>> Um, please approve.

22:31

[laughter]

22:32

>> I

22:37

Okay, with that at this time, I have no

22:39

questions yet. So, I'll start with

22:41

Commissioner. Any questions, concerns?

22:43

Yeah. Yeah. Jeffrey, real quick, can you

22:45

outline the the relief being sought here

22:47

again?

22:49

>> What's that? Sorry.

22:50

>> Can you uh explain the relief being

22:53

sought real quick for me?

22:54

>> Yeah, sure. So, um because the

22:56

properties are in the RM zoning

22:57

district, multif family dwelling

22:59

requires a special exception. Um,

23:01

additionally, uh, because they cannot

23:03

provide, uh, off- streetet parking on

23:04

the property, they will require relief

23:07

from, um, the three units that would be

23:09

require that would be required if it's

23:11

submitted under the city's um,

23:13

affordable housing program. And if not,

23:15

it would be six uh, off- streetet

23:16

parking spaces that would be uh, require

23:18

relief. Um, and then as far as the

23:20

variances are concerned, uh, the project

23:22

is more dense uh, than would be

23:24

permitted by Wright in the RM district

23:26

um, even with uh, the affordable units.

23:29

Um and uh the building is also wider

23:32

than the 20 is more than 20% uh of the

23:35

prevailing width of structures on the

23:37

block.

23:38

>> All right. And what's the density? What

23:40

numbers we dealing with there?

23:41

>> Uh I believe they would have been able

23:42

to provide uh or they could have um

23:45

constructed two units by right and

23:46

they're proposing six units.

23:48

>> All right. Yeah. Yeah. In spite of that,

23:50

it looks like a great project. You have

23:51

to attracted voting. Hope that's what

23:54

ends up there. So yeah, I'm in favor.

24:00

I'm just curious about the nonprofit

24:03

that's mentioned in the application.

24:06

>> Big US or US Big Us?

24:09

>> Big US workbased training. Yes.

24:11

>> Okay. Can you tell me a little bit about

24:12

the nonprofit and the relationship to

24:13

the project here?

24:16

>> Um so,

24:19

uh we are from the city of Harrisburg um

24:23

and South Central PA Restoration. how we

24:26

started that myself and Arthur um we it

24:29

was us and some guys from our community

24:32

and uh we so what we did over time we

24:35

kind of trained them and showed them a

24:37

trade and so we seen families uh the

24:41

improvement of them especially the

24:43

fathers in the house and they be able to

24:45

support. So we like, man, we we're doing

24:47

all of this from the muscle. So why not

24:51

try to get some assistance from funding

24:53

and start a nonprofit to do the same

24:55

thing and which we already know is

24:57

successful because we're actually doing

24:59

it. So we do a lot of work for the city

25:00

of Harrisburg and uh other counties as

25:03

well. So that's how we started the

25:05

nonprofit and with that idea in mind.

25:08

>> Okay.

25:08

>> Yes, ma'am.

25:11

>> Uh Commissioner M.

25:15

I appreciate seeing an infill uh

25:17

development project. So that's really

25:22

really good to see. And I don't have any

25:24

questions about the plans that

25:27

presented. So uh I'm curious if um you

25:31

were able to reach out to your neighbors

25:33

uh surrounding community and get any

25:35

feedback.

25:37

>> We we sent the letters out and um I

25:41

received one phone call and the lady

25:43

just was inquiring about what what's

25:45

going to happen, who are we going to

25:47

have in the property. Uh she was more

25:49

concerned that we were bringing in um

25:51

like like homeless homeless people on

25:54

the property, turning into a project,

25:56

let's let's say, but um we assured her

25:59

that that's not the direction that we

26:00

looking to go and um she said, "Okay."

26:05

>> Okay. Thank you,

26:09

>> Commissioner George.

26:11

>> Yes. Um, so to confirm this has been

26:15

submitted to the affordable housing

26:16

program,

26:18

>> um, I don't, uh, well, they didn't have

26:20

anything in, um, the actual application

26:23

that said like we intend on doing this,

26:25

but they're also, uh, talking about

26:27

ensuring the long-term affordability of

26:29

the property and also using a co-op

26:31

model. And so I'm not sure if maybe that

26:33

model uh maybe complicates it a little

26:36

bit because it won't necessarily be like

26:38

a rental uh unit, you know, like I think

26:40

as part of the co-op you like own part

26:42

of the building too. Um and so that

26:44

might complicate it and I'm not sure

26:46

frankly how our affordable housing

26:49

program would view something like that.

26:50

Maybe it's a bit different. Um, so, uh,

26:54

I didn't want to presume it would be

26:58

filed through that, but, um, if they do

27:00

file through that, that could be

27:02

certainly something that's addressed

27:03

through the land de development

27:04

application.

27:08

>> The only other question I had is um,

27:09

what is the average square footage of

27:11

each size unit?

27:14

>> About a thousand square feet

27:16

>> for for both the one and two bedrooms.

27:19

>> Yes.

27:21

>> Thank you.

27:23

Commissioner Vincent.

27:26

>> Um, no questions on a technical aspect

27:28

on the application. Um, on a personal

27:30

note, you know, great great job with

27:32

this project. This this is a really good

27:34

uh a good way to get, you know, housing

27:36

in, get that development, and I love

27:38

co-op models. You know, I've read about

27:40

them before. It is a good way to get

27:42

people to transition into home

27:44

ownership, um, and having something in

27:46

between. So, it's a really good project.

27:49

Hope you guys

27:51

a chance to come back. Thank you.

27:55

>> With that, I'll go to the public again.

27:58

>> Yes. Sorry.

28:00

>> Just because it's not clear to me. So,

28:01

is the is the off street parking relief

28:05

we're not requiring any?

28:07

>> That that'd be correct. It'd be a full

28:09

relief for off parking. Yeah.

28:11

>> I wasn't sure if you're saying they're

28:12

going to provide three

28:14

affordable housing or

28:16

>> is what they would be required to have.

28:19

But this plan, the relief is asking to

28:22

complete relief.

28:22

>> Yep.

28:25

>> No, that's it. I just wanted to

28:27

>> I thought about that after you said

28:29

that.

28:30

>> So glad you asked. Uh we'll go to the

28:33

public and uh if you have any concerns

28:36

or about this project or questions, Dan

28:40

and state your name and address. I'll

28:42

start to

28:44

senator one person there.

28:49

Commissioners

28:51

get a motion. I think this this other

28:53

commission said I think it's a great

28:54

project and the co-op is really great.

28:58

We need more of that in the city and the

29:01

building looks very will definitely

29:04

brighten up the neighborhood

29:07

which is very good.

29:10

So with that commissioners, could I get

29:12

a motion here?

29:15

>> Approve with conditions.

29:17

>> Is there a second?

29:19

>> Second.

29:20

>> Second for approval of this project with

29:22

three conditions. All those in favor

29:24

state. I

29:26

>> opposed

29:29

carried.

29:31

Good luck.

29:32

>> Thank you. Thank you guys.

29:46

Under new business, this is uh item

29:50

number four. This is a variance and

29:52

special uh special exception application

29:56

for 1531 and 1533 North 63 zone

30:02

IMS institutional

30:05

as followed by Penn State Health. This

30:08

is to construct an accessory use on-site

30:11

development to setback areas and

30:14

construct a fence taller than permitted

30:16

by right?

30:18

>> Yep. Uh so the applicant is proposing to

30:20

create an outdoor therapeutic playground

30:22

facility on the subject properties for

30:25

exclusive use by patients of the

30:27

adjacent medical offices at 1524 Wallace

30:29

Street which is an accessory use

30:31

function as the principal use of the

30:33

property and involves the construction

30:35

of a basketball court and playground

30:36

equipment that will encroach into the

30:38

side and rear yard setbacks which both

30:40

require zoning hearing board approval of

30:42

a variance application. The project will

30:44

also involve installation of a 10-ft

30:46

high fence which requires zoning hearing

30:47

board approval of a special exception

30:49

application for fence exceeding the

30:51

maximum 6 ft in height in the INS

30:53

district. Uh the proper the project site

30:55

is comprised of two vacant parcels

30:57

totaling 04 acres which feature unckempt

31:00

vegetation, a row of low shrubbery along

31:03

the side and rear property lines and

31:05

small and a small fenced enclosure in

31:07

the southeastern corner. The project

31:09

site is bounded by the property at 1535

31:12

North 6th Street to the north.

31:13

Properties at 1521 North 6th Street to

31:16

the south and east and north 6th Street

31:19

to the west.

31:21

The planning bureau staff recommends the

31:23

request be approved for the following

31:25

reasons. The existing configuration of

31:27

the development site, particularly the

31:29

narrow width and shallow depth, would

31:31

require relief for any type of

31:33

development on site. and the proposed

31:35

development represents a sensible use of

31:36

the lot given the low inensity use and

31:38

proximity to the principal use which it

31:41

will support. The lots have been vacant

31:43

for at at least 30 years and given the

31:47

location between a an accessory parking

31:49

lot and long-standing restaurant

31:52

establishment. The proposed development

31:53

represents the most feasible and

31:54

reasonable proposal to activate the lots

31:56

and improve their contribution to the

31:58

streetscape. And finally, the project

32:00

will complement a medical outpatient

32:02

clinic that provides services to adults

32:04

and adolescence receiving treatment for

32:06

emotional, psychological, and cognitive

32:08

issues. And we'll provide an interactive

32:10

outdoor setting that facilitates their

32:12

physical and mental health.

32:15

>> Thank you, Jeff. Could you state your

32:16

name, address, and relationship to the

32:19

project?

32:20

>> Yes. Good evening. Uh James Strong with

32:22

Mcnes Wallace and Nurk 100 Pine Street

32:24

in the city of Harrisburg. and uh we are

32:26

the attorneys for the applicant. Um and

32:29

then also with me tonight uh are Kevin

32:32

Kufa and David Deloo with Penn State

32:34

Health and Jeffrey Shik with K&W

32:37

Engineers.

32:38

>> Okay. Um

32:43

give me just a little more background on

32:46

your connection with Penn State and

32:50

>> Sure. I'll give you a little bit of uh

32:52

background and uh then if there are any

32:54

questions uh the folks on the team will

32:57

be uh happy to answer those questions

32:58

for you. Um but Penn State Health

33:01

operating as the Pennsylvania

33:03

Psychiatric Institute will be operating

33:05

an outpatient clinic on land uh located

33:08

on North Sixth Street and Wallace

33:10

Street. So that would just be to the

33:11

north of the federal courthouse

33:14

building, the new federal courthouse

33:15

building. Um that clinic includes

33:18

adolescent support uh as part of its

33:20

child uh partial program. And so

33:23

children will come to the clinic um for

33:26

uh varying parts of the day and as part

33:29

of that uh therapeutic uh programming

33:32

for the children. Um the clinic wants to

33:35

have a playground area uh for those

33:38

children uh to go out and uh have

33:41

outdoor uh therapeutic time. Um, the

33:44

playground would be for the exclusive

33:46

use of the clinic's uh patients. They

33:49

would always be accompanied by staff

33:51

escorted from the clinic building to the

33:55

uh playground building. Um, and so the

33:57

relief is is tied to sort of the unique

34:00

nature of these two very narrow parcels

34:04

uh that would be combined, but even at

34:06

their uh combined width, it would be a

34:08

maximum width of 31 ft. Um, so the

34:12

zoning relief relates to the unique

34:14

nature of those parcels. First is that

34:16

the parcels are separated from the

34:18

clinic parcel. So even though this is an

34:21

accessory use to the outpatient clinic,

34:24

um, it's not on the same parcel as that

34:26

principal outpatient clinic use. So

34:29

that's the reason for that request for

34:31

relief is to allow the accessory use to

34:33

be located on a nearby property as

34:35

opposed to being on the same property as

34:37

the principal use, which here is the uh,

34:39

clinic. The uh second request uh relates

34:43

to the side and rear setbacks. So those

34:46

side setbacks are 20 feet on each side

34:49

and the rear is 20 feet. As I mentioned,

34:52

even when we consolidate these two

34:53

parcels, at its widest, the parcel is

34:56

only 31 ft in width. So we can't meet

34:58

those uh requirements. So uh we are

35:01

requesting relief uh to allow the

35:03

proposed playground equipment as

35:05

depicted on the plan. And then the last

35:08

request for relief relates to the height

35:11

of the fence that would be proposed to

35:13

surround uh the playground. Um that

35:16

maximum permitted height is six feet,

35:18

but the zoning ordinance does allow by

35:20

special exception for that fence height

35:22

to be increased. And so the proposed

35:24

fence height is 10 ft and then there

35:26

would be a netting over the top uh of

35:29

that um uh fenced area. So, the idea is

35:33

prevent any unauthorized access into the

35:36

playground area and then also keep any

35:38

balls and other equipment inside uh the

35:41

playground area. So, that's the the

35:43

relief that's requested by the

35:45

application. Um, and so we're here to

35:49

answer any questions that folks on the

35:51

planning commission or members of the

35:52

public might have.

35:54

>> Jeff, as far as the fencing, that's a

35:58

special exception. Yeah, they actually

36:01

uh pointed out uh a section in the

36:03

zoning code which I had previously been

36:05

treating as a variance and and they

36:07

noted that it allowed for um extended

36:09

height via special exception instead of

36:11

the variance. So um you know I don't

36:14

always bet a thousand. So uh they uh

36:17

they corrected me on that and that's uh

36:19

where the um special exception request

36:21

is coming from. Okay,

36:24

>> before I have any questions, the

36:26

gentleman just joined you. State your

36:28

name, address, and relation to the

36:31

project.

36:32

>> I'm Jeff Shik. I'm with K&W Engineers,

36:34

and we're the uh con you were the civil

36:37

engineer for the project.

36:42

>> Thanks, Kevin Kufa, Penn State Health,

36:45

100 Crystal A Drive, Hershey.

36:50

>> Dave Deloo, Penn State Health, 100

36:52

Crystal A Drive in Hershey as well.

36:56

Um, since there are no conditions here,

37:00

uh, I have no questions at this time

37:02

unless you don't want to add anything to

37:05

the report.

37:06

>> No, I think Jeff covered everything very

37:09

well in the case report. Uh, and as

37:11

noted, no conditions uh, were proposed.

37:14

So, nothing for us to discuss there

37:17

either. So,

37:19

>> okay. Commissioners, this is pretty

37:21

straightforward, but do you have any

37:23

questions, concerns?

37:26

>> Yeah. Uh, has Penn State been operating

37:29

there or are they just now starting the

37:32

operation?

37:32

>> They will be um I think in August is

37:35

>> Yeah, beginning of August.

37:37

>> So, they need

37:38

>> it's under construction right now. need

37:40

to finish construction, get their

37:41

certificate of occupancy, but the the uh

37:44

goaler plan is to be uh operating in

37:46

August of this year.

37:47

>> All right.

37:48

>> Yeah. Yeah, that's great. I'm glad to

37:49

see them relocate the six feet. I'm not

37:51

going to let four feet of fencing stand

37:53

in.

37:54

One other question, James, what's what's

37:57

up with Ash? He's he hasn't been here

37:58

over here. [laughter]

38:00

>> Well, believe me, I'm pulling double

38:01

duty. I have the next application as

38:03

well.

38:04

>> Is he so Braxton? I mean, seriously, he

38:06

hasn't been here.

38:07

>> No, he's triple booked tonight. I'll get

38:09

it. [laughter] Busy man. Nothing for

38:15

>> I have no questions.

38:18

>> Yeah, I think uh this is a innovative

38:21

way to use a very uh difficult space. Um

38:24

and it's it's nice to see it being put

38:26

to a beneficial use, you know, for folks

38:28

that would need it. Um I I don't think I

38:30

have any issues with the height of the

38:32

fence and it you mentioned that

38:36

additional top portion that would have

38:38

the screening on it. The rest would be

38:40

sort of that open chain link fence we're

38:41

typically seeing.

38:44

>> Actually, the um

38:44

>> the whole thing is mesh.

38:48

three quart threequarters of the of the

38:50

vertical fence will have the screening

38:53

um or you know it's going to be either

38:55

the fabric is shown on the plan or you

38:57

know the the chain link slats but that

38:59

will be from um from bottom to top to

39:03

the 10 foot level except for on the very

39:06

I think it's the eastern most side which

39:08

would allow visibility from the actual

39:12

building um that the users of of the

39:15

playground would become coming from that

39:16

way there's additional you know um sight

39:19

lines from the building to see you know

39:21

what's occurring on the playground.

39:23

>> Okay. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. All

39:25

right. Um it looks like on

39:29

the let's see void street side that is

39:33

full in parking indicated on the

39:36

drawings there.

39:37

>> Uh

39:38

>> so are the ballards being installed sort

39:41

of as a safety measure?

39:44

My eyes aren't great, Jeff. So, I'm like

39:46

look squinting at this Jeff um this

39:50

plan.

39:52

>> Don't appreciate your

39:54

>> Sorry, Commissioner Merrick. Where are

39:56

you referring?

39:56

>> Yeah. So, on the Boyd Street side where

39:58

it's pulling parking.

40:00

>> Yes.

40:00

>> Are there I can't see super well. So,

40:02

the plan is it new ballards being

40:05

proposed along that side sort of as a

40:07

safety measure.

40:08

>> Right. They will be. Yes.

40:09

>> Yeah. Okay. All right. because it looks

40:11

like that chain link fence is going

40:13

right up against against there. Okay.

40:15

>> Well, and I would I would also um note

40:17

that I'm guessing there's going to be

40:18

like a low retaining wall because

40:20

there's some um topographical change

40:24

across that. So, you probably have to

40:25

infill the back of the lot there to

40:27

build the thing on top of it. So, they

40:28

want to prevent people from running into

40:30

that.

40:31

>> Yeah. Okay. All right. No other

40:33

questions. Thanks.

40:35

>> Uh Commissioner Jordan

40:38

covered everything.

40:42

Commissioner Vincent.

40:44

>> Okay.

40:47

>> Again, I'll go to the public. 314

40:50

against this project. Please stand. I'll

40:52

start to my left.

40:58

Okay. Commissioner, as I said before,

41:01

this is pretty straightforward. Can I

41:03

get a motion?

41:04

>> Motion to approve.

41:06

>> Is there a second?

41:07

>> Second.

41:07

>> It's been moved. Second for approval

41:10

with no conditions. All those in favor

41:12

state by saying I.

41:14

>> I oppose and abstensions. Merry.

41:18

>> Thank you very much.

41:32

>> This is item number five. Um

41:36

this is a special applications for nine

41:41

lots in and around the intersection of

41:44

North 16th Street and Crab Apple Street.

41:48

Uh this was done RMI

41:51

Gerard Miller J Miller with TLC. It's a

41:56

workbased training program to construct

41:59

multif family buildings on the subject

42:02

properties to request relief from the

42:04

off street parking requirements in

42:06

section 7-327.6

42:10

of the zoning code and to request relief

42:12

from various aspect of development

42:15

standards.

42:17

>> Uh yep. So, uh the uh request is the

42:20

applicant is proposing to um construct

42:24

34 units across uh

42:28

nine different scattered sites uh within

42:31

the uh area generally bounded by uh

42:34

North 16th Street, North 15th Street and

42:36

Regina Street. Um, and they are

42:39

requesting relief from uh for both the

42:42

to construct the multif family dwellings

42:44

on the subject properties and to request

42:46

relief from the off- streetet parking

42:48

requirements in section 7-327.6

42:50

of the zoning code. Uh, and to construct

42:52

buildings wider than 20% of the

42:54

prevailing width on the block. uh to

42:57

construct units which require uh relief

43:00

from the front yard setbacks and to

43:01

construct parking spaces in the rear

43:03

yard setbacks uh which will not have the

43:06

required parking lot screening. Um the

43:09

applicant is seeking to develop 34

43:11

affordable housing units in development

43:14

involving 17 buildings across nine

43:16

consolidated lots. Uh the development

43:19

will consist of four one-bedroom units,

43:21

10 two-bedroom units, and 19

43:23

three-bedroom units in town home,

43:25

duplex, and triplex uh configurations

43:28

constructed across the various sites. Um

43:31

the applicant is also proposing

43:33

construction of accessory parking and

43:34

storm water management at various

43:36

locations within the development

43:38

footprint.

43:42

So the uh applicant uh the is also

43:46

seeking approval of the following

43:47

variances. So relief from section

43:49

7-307.3A

43:51

of the zoning code to construct a

43:52

building wider than 20 ft than 20% of

43:55

the prevailing width in the block and

43:56

that's applicable to lot 5 uh to request

43:59

relief from section 7-307.3A

44:03

of the zoning code to permit full

44:04

encroachment into the 5-ft front yard

44:06

setback that is also applicable to lot

44:08

5. uh to request relief from section

44:11

7-307.3A

44:13

of the zoning code to permit full

44:14

encroachment into the 4foot sideyard

44:16

setbacks and that's applicable to lots

44:19

six 7 and 9. Uh to request relief from

44:23

section 7-327.9A

44:26

of the zoning code to permit parking

44:28

encroachment into the required rear yard

44:30

setbacks along Crab Apple Street and

44:32

that request is applicable to lots

44:34

number four and nine. Uh and finally to

44:37

the extent necessary to request relief

44:39

from section 7-307.13

44:41

of the zoning code to authorize the

44:43

removal of trees with trunk diameters of

44:45

12 in or more. Uh and that's applicable

44:47

to lots number four 6 and 9. Uh the uh

44:52

project site uh is form is comprised of

44:57

34 separate parcels uh spread across

45:00

nine blocks along North 16th Street

45:03

between Walnut Street in the north and

45:04

Crab Apple Street in the south along

45:05

Crab Apple Street between North 16th

45:07

Street and Chain Street and along North

45:09

15th Street between Crab Apple Street

45:11

and Ethel Street. Uh and to um obviate

45:15

saying the same thing over again,

45:17

essentially each of these lots uh is uh

45:20

largely vacant. Uh most have uh low

45:23

grass coverage. Some have um some mature

45:25

trees and uh undergrowth uh on them and

45:28

occasionally some of the lots are used

45:31

uh for uh illegal parking u by residents

45:34

of the neighborhood.

45:38

The planning bureau recommends the

45:41

request be repro approved with the

45:44

following conditions. Uh if granted

45:46

approval for the requested zoning

45:47

relief, the applicant will subsequently

45:49

file a lot consolidation and land

45:51

development plan and receive approval

45:52

from the planning commission and city

45:53

council. Uh because the project will be

45:56

restricted to residents earning 60% of

45:58

the median family income and is

46:00

therefore eligible for a certificate of

46:01

qualification pursuant to chapter 12-101

46:04

of title 12. The applicant should submit

46:06

the project through the affordable

46:07

housing certification prior to recording

46:10

the lot consolidation and land

46:11

development plan with the Dolphin County

46:12

Recorder of Deeds. Uh the applicant

46:15

should reconstruct all sidewalks along

46:17

North 16th Street, Regina Street, and

46:19

North 15th Street to the full width

46:21

between the curb and property lines as

46:23

the current configuration of those

46:25

streets and will provide safer and

46:26

improved pedestrian infrastructure for

46:28

new residents of the proposed

46:29

development and existing residents of

46:31

the neighborhood as well as curb

46:32

bumpouts at corner lots along North 16th

46:35

Street, Regina Street, and North 15th

46:37

Street. similar to what was installed

46:38

along the 15th street frontage of the

46:40

previous phase of the project. The

46:42

applicant should also consider measures

46:43

to prevent illegal sidewalk parking

46:45

parking such as street trees. And

46:47

finally, the applicant should install

46:49

fencing and closing undeveloped areas

46:51

around the proposed buildings to prevent

46:52

unauthorized access and unpermitted

46:54

activities such as illegal parking and

46:56

dumping to create more functional space

46:58

for project residents and to enhance the

47:00

aesthetic impact of the project. The

47:03

bureau also recommends coordinating with

47:04

the city arburstone plantings to improve

47:06

the appearance and ecological function

47:07

of the project sites. The bureau

47:09

recommends that for every tree removed

47:12

uh on lots 4, six, and 9, uh the

47:14

applicants plan a new one in a tree pit

47:16

located within the public right ofway as

47:18

space on each development site will be

47:20

limited. Plan B staff recommends the

47:22

request be approved for the following

47:23

reasons. The proposed project will

47:25

develop lots that are currently vacant,

47:26

unckempt, and or utilized for

47:28

unpermitted uses such as illegal parking

47:30

or dumping and create affordable housing

47:32

units for the city's residents in a

47:33

variety of configurations, including

47:35

multi-bedroom and ADA units.

47:38

The subject properties comprising the

47:40

project site lack adequate pedestrian

47:42

infrastructure,

47:43

which creates unpleasant and unsafe

47:45

conditions that have an adverse impact

47:46

on the surrounding community. and the

47:48

project will enhance the streetscape for

47:50

existing and future residents by

47:51

providing wide shaded sidewalks if the

47:53

planning bureau's recommendations are

47:55

adopted. The zoning relief requested by

47:57

the applicant, such as relief to allow

47:59

rear yard parking or to encroach into

48:01

setbacks, which allows the construction

48:03

of units up to lot lines, will better

48:05

reflect the existing nature of the built

48:06

environment and the surrounding blocks.

48:08

Thus, these requests are necessary to

48:10

develop a project that integrates into

48:11

the building and infrastructure fabric

48:13

of the community. And finally, as

48:15

evidenced by the appearance and success

48:16

of the first phase of the applicant's

48:18

development along North 15th Street, the

48:20

project will bring significant social,

48:21

economic, and aesthetic benefits to the

48:23

neighborhood, providing affordable

48:24

housing and modern construction that

48:26

improves the streetscape and brings new

48:28

residents who will activate the street

48:30

on nights and weekends and will support

48:32

local businesses.

48:36

>> Thank you, Jeff. Could you gentlemen

48:38

state your name, address, relationship

48:41

to the project?

48:42

>> Sure. Uh again, Jamie Strong, Mcnes

48:45

Wallace, and Nurk, attorneys for the

48:46

applicant. Uh 100 Pine Street in

48:49

Harrisburg,

48:53

owner of the project

48:56

construction, TLC,

49:04

my address 2335 Dair Street, Harrisburg.

49:11

Matt Witters with Useless Engineering,

49:13

161 South 32nd Street in Campill, PA. We

49:16

are the civil engineering firm for the

49:18

uh applicant.

49:20

>> Eric Aring Ka Design Studio, 27 South

49:23

Main Street, Amler, PA 19002. We are the

49:26

architects for the project.

49:28

>> Okay. Uh gentlemen, you heard the u

49:31

staff report. Are you acceptable of the

49:34

four conditions?

49:36

>> Yeah, the uh case report is very

49:38

thorough. Um the uh conditions um there

49:42

are two that uh Matt will probably have

49:45

some additional conversations with Jeff

49:47

about. Um first the sidewalk and and the

49:50

curb um bumpouts and we can certainly do

49:53

those where we have the right to install

49:55

those improvements. Um and then the uh

49:59

the fencing. Um I don't believe there's

50:01

fencing in the first phase. Um, and so

50:05

we weren't sure if that would meant

50:07

fence in each of the properties, which

50:10

would be introducing something different

50:12

than what's there, but we can certainly

50:13

work with with Jeff on that and and have

50:15

those discussions before the zoning

50:16

hearing board.

50:18

>> Yeah. And, you know, I noticed there's a

50:20

lot of uh, you know, interstitial space

50:22

around uh, these units, especially for

50:24

some of the uh, lots that are more uh,

50:29

unusually configured like the triangular

50:30

lots on North 16th Street. Um, and as we

50:34

were walking around doing the site

50:35

visits and posting the property, you

50:36

know, we noticed that, for example, the

50:39

um, storm water catchment area for one

50:42

of the phase one sites is kind of wide

50:44

open and, you know, somebody could get

50:45

into it. I know in the discussion of

50:48

1605 to 1613 Market Street that was

50:51

reviewed earlier, they had talked about,

50:53

you know, putting a fence around that to

50:55

make sure that people couldn't get into

50:56

it. And so we're trying to look we're

50:58

trying to look to provide you know site

51:00

uh and access control which you know

51:02

helps to define the spaces a bit more

51:04

and again prevent somebody from just

51:06

driving up into the back of one of these

51:07

properties and just start parking there.

51:10

Um I mean if you go around the

51:12

neighborhood today even in the lots

51:14

around where they've finished the

51:16

buildings for lot one you still have

51:17

people just like parking on the vacant

51:19

lots there. So, so to provide that and

51:21

again to provide a bit more maybe

51:22

security uh and uh establish, you know,

51:25

the bounds of these different properties

51:27

and units, uh we recommend doing fences.

51:30

If they don't want to do fences, maybe a

51:32

bit more of a robust uh you know,

51:34

vegetated cover, planting tree screening

51:36

or something like that just to prevent,

51:38

you know, people just kind of using

51:40

these spaces behind the buildings or

51:43

beside the buildings uh for something

51:45

other than what they were intended for.

51:48

Did you hear?

51:51

>> Yeah. Again, it's not that we have

51:52

opposition to what what Jeff is

51:54

requesting in those conditions. So,

51:55

we'll we'll certainly work with him to

51:57

to address those concerns uh prior to

51:59

the zoning hearing board hearing. And if

52:01

it turns out that that fencing is what's

52:03

best, then that can be provided.

52:05

>> And and usually I don't and usually we

52:07

don't even include stuff about like the

52:09

sidewalks um and you know the fences in

52:12

like a zoning relief one.

52:14

put that in the land development plan

52:16

application, but kind of felt that uh

52:18

putting it up front at the beginning of

52:20

this process might help to ensure that

52:22

it goes a little bit smoothly as they

52:23

develop the lock consolidation and land

52:25

development plan. So that's not

52:26

something that like causes a snag in

52:29

that submission.

52:32

>> Um Jeff, just to understand the parking

52:36

again

52:36

>> since this is under the affordable act,

52:39

that's what I call it. Um

52:42

>> there's 34 minutes, but they only

52:45

required to have to have like 17 unit 17

52:49

parking spaces. Correct.

52:51

>> Correct. They'd have to have 17 overall

52:53

uh parking spaces and they have 10. Um

52:56

and so they would be required they're

52:59

requesting relief from seven off street

53:00

parking spaces. Uh and as we noted in

53:02

the case report, you know, there's all

53:04

of these lots are currently vacant. So,

53:06

um you know, there's a lot of frontage

53:08

on of on street parking. there's easy

53:10

availability to, you know, access on

53:13

street parking uh around uh 16th Street

53:15

and Regina Street especially. Um and uh

53:20

um there are bus routes that they don't

53:22

go adjacent to the project sites, but

53:24

there are bus routes nearby on 13th

53:26

Street, State Street, and Market Street.

53:29

Um as well as 17th. So they're kind of

53:31

kind of sitting in the middle of that

53:32

box. So they have access to both on

53:35

street parking um and uh mass transit

53:38

routes in the surrounding neighborhood.

53:40

>> Okay. Thanks. Um could you gentlemen uh

53:45

speak to the neighborhood neighbors at

53:46

all of that department?

53:51

>> Yes.

53:53

>> Yes, we did. We sent um letters out um

53:58

most of the stuff we already own. So,

54:01

uh, nobody gave us any feedback.

54:04

>> And you said the feedback was positive

54:06

or

54:07

>> I didn't get any feedback, but then the

54:09

residents loved what I did the phase

54:11

one, so they on board what I'm doing

54:13

again for phase two.

54:16

>> So, they loved it.

54:18

>> Okay. Uh, commissioners, I have no more

54:21

questions at this time and we'll go to

54:24

Commissioner with any concerns or

54:26

questions.

54:27

>> No, no concerns, no questions. a great

54:29

project. I like to see all this

54:30

construction going on in Allison Hill

54:32

>> and uh you know with the affordable

54:34

housing uh crisis that we're in that you

54:37

got to be a little more lax and

54:38

deviating seven parking spaces isn't a

54:41

problem I don't see. So yeah I support

54:43

it

54:47

commission

54:48

>> I concur

54:51

commission

54:52

>> yeah I would uh concur as well um a lot

54:55

of good development in here and you know

54:58

revitalizing vacant lots in field

55:00

development. It's It's good to see. So,

55:02

I was kind of in agreement like we

55:05

wouldn't typically be talking about

55:07

fencing in these places, but I think I

55:09

can understand why. Um given that so we

55:14

have these other are those vacant lots

55:16

also owned by the redevelopment

55:18

authority

55:19

>> kind of in the mix here.

55:20

>> I think some are, some aren't. Um, so

55:23

for example on the 16th Street uh lot

55:26

number two, you'll notice that's like

55:27

cut up into two separate triangles. And

55:29

I'm guessing they couldn't secure the

55:31

ownership of the one little parcel

55:32

between those otherwise they would have,

55:34

you know, consolidated them all into one

55:35

lot and built probably uh facing more

55:38

units facing 16th Street there. So yeah,

55:40

I think probably the other um, you know,

55:42

lots that are interspersed around here

55:44

are just under separate ownership.

55:46

>> Okay.

55:48

Um,

55:52

and then the the parking I don't have an

55:56

issue with the relief for seven spots. I

55:58

think my confusion or question was it

56:01

sounds like like on the one hand there

56:03

should be ample amount of parking given

56:05

this area has a lot of vacant lots. But

56:07

then the other hand in tonight I'm

56:09

hearing there's a lot of cars parking on

56:12

these lots. So do they not have enough

56:14

space to park? What is necessitating the

56:17

need to park on the street if there's

56:20

ample parking,

56:21

>> right? Um well, I mean that's a great

56:23

question. I think uh you know I think

56:25

especially I would say the parking was

56:28

more of an issue um along North 15th

56:30

Street than it was like along North 16th

56:32

Street. The North 16th Street uh and

56:34

Regina Street properties like really

56:36

didn't feature any of that. But if you

56:38

go um down to the lot eight, I believe

56:42

um which is just north of Market Street

56:44

there and uh lot 7, there is a lot of

56:47

parking there even though there's

56:49

parking available on the street. And I

56:51

think some of that comes down to, you

56:53

know, we hear a lot of times why people

56:54

are like parked up on the sidewalk.

56:55

They're worried about somebody clipping

56:57

their mirror as they go through. Um, and

57:00

so I think I think it's just a kind of

57:03

um, you know, mental thing where people

57:05

feel safer with their car off the street

57:07

even though there are spaces there. They

57:09

just feel better if it's on a lot there.

57:11

Um, and so that would be my guess as to

57:14

why that condition occurs when there's

57:16

available on street parking.

57:18

>> Yeah. Just want to make sure there

57:19

wasn't some a need that we needed to

57:22

address in that neighborhood, right? Not

57:24

separate from the project, but

57:26

>> All right. Thank you,

57:28

>> Commission.

57:30

No questions. Just happy to see a

57:32

project with so many larger size

57:34

departments. So, thank you.

57:36

>> Uh, Commissioner Vincent.

57:38

>> Yeah. Likewise. No questions. Great

57:40

project.

57:41

>> Okay. We'll go to the public. If you

57:44

have any concerns,

57:46

any objections to the project, please

57:49

stand.

57:51

We'll start to

57:55

people mostly now.

57:58

>> [clears throat]

58:00

>> Can I get a motion?

58:04

>> Motion to approve.

58:06

>> Is there a second?

58:08

>> It's been moved and second for approval

58:10

of this project with the four

58:11

conditions. All those in favor state by

58:14

saying I

58:15

>> opposed obsessions

58:18

and motion car.

58:19

>> Thank you.

58:43

Uh we're at uh item number six. This is

58:46

a lot consolidation and LDP application

58:50

for 112 North 13th Street.

58:54

and 105 through 121 Lynon Street. This

58:57

is zone RM is followed by

59:00

Dred Neil with Aton Horizon Group LLC

59:06

and it consolidate the 13 parcels

59:09

comprising the project site, convert the

59:12

former book publishing building into a

59:14

12 unit multi- family multifamily

59:18

dwelling and to construct additional

59:20

accessory parking and associated

59:23

improvements look like.

59:25

>> Uh yep. So this uh application is the

59:28

land development component of the zoning

59:30

relief uh application that was submitted

59:33

I believe back in January. Um so uh this

59:37

will be the final step in this project

59:38

uh moving forward. Um, the applicant is

59:40

proposing to consolidate the 13 parcels

59:42

comprising the project site uh along

59:45

North 13th Street and Lynen Street,

59:47

convert the former book publishing

59:48

building into a 12-unit multif family

59:50

dwelling, and to construct a 15 space

59:52

accessory parking lot and associated

59:54

improvements on site. The project

59:56

proposes one-bedroom units ranging from

59:58

537 ft to 680 ft and includes a small

1:00:02

office on the second floor. The project

1:00:05

site is comprised of 13 parcels totaling

1:00:07

42 acres. 12 of the lots are vacant and

1:00:09

the only property that features any

1:00:11

existing development is at 100 North

1:00:13

13th Street which is a.20 acre lot with

1:00:16

a two-story 11,580

1:00:19

ft brick structure which was constructed

1:00:22

in 1922.

1:00:24

The project site is generally bounded by

1:00:26

Calamus Street and 114 North 13th Street

1:00:28

to the north, North 13th Street to the

1:00:30

east, Walnut Street to the south, and

1:00:32

Lynen Street to the west. This detached

1:00:34

brick brick structure is an unusual

1:00:37

early example of the art deco

1:00:38

architectural style with Spanish mission

1:00:40

style and Gothic revival motifs and was

1:00:43

known as the central

1:00:45

printing press building formerly the

1:00:47

church of god central publishing house

1:00:50

which was designed by Frank fontock and

1:00:52

constructed by shoemaker and son. The

1:00:54

building is currently abandoned and has

1:00:55

been so for several decades. Character

1:00:57

defining features include the original

1:00:59

brick facade, a symmetric front facade

1:01:01

featuring decorative motifs, decorative

1:01:04

brick designs within the facade, a

1:01:05

prominent front entrance, a loading dock

1:01:07

on the Walnut Street elevation, and a

1:01:08

parapit wall topped with concrete coping

1:01:11

featuring ge geometrical design elements

1:01:13

which are typical of the art deco style.

1:01:16

The main arched entryway on North 13th

1:01:18

Street projects out from the facade, is

1:01:20

emphasized by buttresses and a

1:01:22

semic-ircular coping design, and

1:01:24

features simple wooden double doors

1:01:25

beneath a boarded up arch transom and a

1:01:27

sign identifying it as the central

1:01:29

publishing house. There's a secondary

1:01:31

pedestrian entrance and a vehicular

1:01:32

loading area accessed from Walnut

1:01:34

Street. Although many of the windows are

1:01:36

boarded up, fenistration primarily

1:01:37

consists of casement type windows that

1:01:39

are that originally had glass panes and

1:01:41

metal frames which were lost to rust.

1:01:43

The windows also feature decorative flat

1:01:46

arches and a belt course above the

1:01:48

seconds story windows. The structure is

1:01:50

topped with a flat rubber roof. The

1:01:52

project site also includes adjacent

1:01:53

vacant parcels to the north and west.

1:01:56

The industrial institutional structure

1:01:58

is unique in a neighborhood which

1:02:00

features primarily single family

1:02:01

attached row homes with scattered

1:02:03

commercial and instit and industrial

1:02:05

uses. Although determined to be not

1:02:07

eligible for listing on the National

1:02:08

Register of Historic Places, the

1:02:10

building is an important cultural

1:02:11

resource for the neighborhood and

1:02:13

contributes to the overall character of

1:02:14

the streetscape and neighborhood. The

1:02:16

project will allow the building to be a

1:02:18

contributing resource once again. The

1:02:20

planning bureau staff recommends the

1:02:23

request be approved with the following

1:02:25

conditions.

1:02:27

The applicant must conform to the

1:02:30

requirements outlined in the city

1:02:31

engineers review. Uh the applicant

1:02:34

should consider extending the fence

1:02:35

around the perimeter of the site in

1:02:37

including along the north 13th Street

1:02:40

and Walnut Street frontages with gates

1:02:42

at the location of proposed walkways to

1:02:44

enhance security and sight control for

1:02:46

residents and prevent public access to

1:02:48

the proposed rain garden. The planning

1:02:51

bureau recommends the applicant consider

1:02:53

creating an outdoor leisure area for

1:02:54

residents such as a patio or other type

1:02:56

of outdoor seating. And finally,

1:02:58

although the principal building is not

1:03:00

located within the AOD, it has historic

1:03:02

and architectural value to the

1:03:03

neighborhood and is located at a

1:03:05

conspicuous intersection. As such, the

1:03:07

applicant should endeavor to utilize

1:03:09

historically appropriate materials and

1:03:10

designs and exterior features such as

1:03:12

windows or doors. Plan B staff

1:03:15

recommends the request be approved for

1:03:16

the following reasons. The subject

1:03:18

property is a unique industrial

1:03:19

structure which has been vacant for

1:03:20

several decades, has experienced

1:03:22

significant deterioration over time, and

1:03:24

has imposed blight on the neighborhood

1:03:26

as well as small lots which have been

1:03:27

vacant for at least a decade. As such, a

1:03:30

project that can adapt adaptively reuse

1:03:32

the properties and allow them to

1:03:33

contribute to enhancement of the

1:03:34

community will provide a significant

1:03:36

aesthetic improvement for the

1:03:37

neighborhood. The 12 apartment units

1:03:39

will address the city's need for housing

1:03:41

by providing quality housing options in

1:03:42

a vacant building. While not certified

1:03:44

as affordable units per the city's

1:03:46

affordable housing policy definition,

1:03:48

the provision of more housing units will

1:03:50

help to combat rising housing costs. And

1:03:52

finally, the project will result in

1:03:53

improvements to the streetscape and

1:03:55

pedestri pedestrian infrastructure that

1:03:57

will benefit residents of the

1:03:58

surrounding neighborhood as it will

1:03:59

enhance a conspicuous corner lot along

1:04:02

one of the primary corridors in the

1:04:04

Allison Hill neighborhood, adding new

1:04:05

residents to the neighborhood,

1:04:06

activating the street and community on

1:04:08

nights and weekends, and contributing to

1:04:10

a growing customer base to support local

1:04:12

businesses. Could

1:04:15

you gentlemen state your name, address,

1:04:17

and relationship to this project?

1:04:20

>> Sure. Um, Sane Gist, project manager

1:04:22

with Integrated Consulting, the civil

1:04:24

engineer of record on this. We are

1:04:26

located at 4 Casey Court, Mechanicsburg,

1:04:31

>> and Jared Neil with Halden Horizons

1:04:33

Group at 227 State Street, Harrisburg,

1:04:35

and the owner of the property.

1:04:38

Uh both of you heard the staff report

1:04:41

with the four conditions. Are you

1:04:43

acceptable in those conditions?

1:04:46

>> Yeah, no issu uh yeah, no issues with

1:04:48

the conditions. Um we we want to go

1:04:51

ahead and just kind of look at the site

1:04:53

plan to see where we could fit in the

1:04:54

leisure area. Um and maybe just get an

1:04:57

understanding of how the fence fences

1:04:59

would wrap around um Walnut and and 13th

1:05:02

Street. But but no no reservations to to

1:05:05

to taking that. So, we will take that

1:05:07

into consideration certainly.

1:05:09

>> Uh, and the other questions, did you

1:05:12

speak to the neighbors or I know they

1:05:15

had and then they used to have a

1:05:17

neighborhood group back there. I don't

1:05:18

know they still do or not, but

1:05:21

>> um so so actually yes. Um is just last

1:05:24

week we met with um I believe it was a a

1:05:27

me a former member of that group or

1:05:30

former staff member of that group. So,

1:05:32

we spoke with him, but even that prior

1:05:34

to zoning, um, we had reached out to

1:05:36

some of the neighbors and just got some

1:05:37

feedback. Um, really the the feedback

1:05:39

was, you know, they love the building

1:05:41

and they're glad to see something be

1:05:42

finally done with it. Um, if you've been

1:05:45

by there recently, we started to clean

1:05:47

up the property. We boarded up the

1:05:48

windows, did a um, they really

1:05:50

winterized it um, just as we were

1:05:52

holding it over the winter months as

1:05:54

we're going through entitlement. So, um,

1:05:56

I think the feedback has been good from

1:05:58

what we've heard.

1:05:59

Y

1:06:01

>> uh you want to add anything or you going

1:06:04

to show us pictures or

1:06:06

>> I can add a few things to what Jeffrey

1:06:08

provided. Um over here I have the site

1:06:10

plan which you should hopefully have a

1:06:12

smaller copy of the plans in front of

1:06:14

you, but I'm just going to talk about a

1:06:15

couple of the features. So um as part of

1:06:18

the zoning approvals, there was a few

1:06:19

conditions that were associated with

1:06:21

that at the time. Um, one of those was,

1:06:24

you know, being that, uh, there needed

1:06:26

to be a fence around the parking lot to

1:06:27

kind of shade head, you know, uh, screen

1:06:29

out headlights and provide a little more

1:06:31

privacy around there. So, um, that

1:06:34

combined with the fact that the parking

1:06:36

lot uh, area is subject to the summit

1:06:39

terrace historic district guidelines.

1:06:41

So, we will be go taking this through

1:06:44

the uh, architectural review board as

1:06:46

well. But what we're proposing is more

1:06:47

of a kind of decorative style of of

1:06:50

fencing that uh you know kind of

1:06:54

changing now that P the PVC fence that's

1:06:56

out there um that provides both that

1:06:59

privacy screening as well as a little

1:07:02

bit of more aesthetic feature to the

1:07:04

perimeter of the property. There also be

1:07:06

street trees surrounding that as well.

1:07:08

So aesthetically it's going to look a

1:07:09

lot better from a street streetscape uh

1:07:12

point of view. Um they are also

1:07:14

providing ADA access along uh Walnut

1:07:17

Street. The entrance there, there's an

1:07:19

existing entrance to the building. So in

1:07:21

interior to that building, it'll be a

1:07:23

ramp access to the uh within within the

1:07:26

the first floor there. Um and largely

1:07:29

speaking, and I the architect's not here

1:07:32

tonight, but I do have kind of a

1:07:33

full-size rendering that they provided

1:07:35

here.

1:07:45

>> [clears throat]

1:07:46

>> So the facade is to remain intact as um

1:07:50

you know Jeffrey was kind of describing

1:07:52

the features of it. It's obviously a um

1:07:55

a well you know it's a long-standing

1:07:57

architectural uh design that we want

1:08:00

that the applicant wants to maintain. Um

1:08:02

but as you noted the windows need some

1:08:04

assistance right there's so there's some

1:08:07

window treatments proposed over the

1:08:09

front entrance along 13th Street. there

1:08:11

would be an overhang kind of as you see

1:08:14

depicted there. Um and and some of the

1:08:17

uh typical light fixtures that would be

1:08:19

around the building. Um we we did submit

1:08:22

a lighting plan or for the parking lot

1:08:24

after the initial submission. We were a

1:08:26

little behind on that part of it, but um

1:08:29

we are meeting the code requirements uh

1:08:32

with that that plan um within the

1:08:35

parking lot. So trying to cut off any

1:08:37

spilled over from out, you know, going

1:08:39

outside the right of way of the the

1:08:40

property. Um outside of that, there was

1:08:43

just a couple waiver requirements we had

1:08:44

was or um waiver request was just the

1:08:47

preliminary plan as well as um the

1:08:50

minimum separation between a driveway

1:08:52

and intersection of right ofway streets.

1:08:54

The intersection that's along Calamus

1:08:58

back in here.

1:09:04

Oh, it's this one. Oh, yeah, that works.

1:09:06

That's easier. Um, the intersection, the

1:09:09

the entrance that's along Kalamus Street

1:09:11

there, uh, just given the where where

1:09:14

it's located and the proximity uh to the

1:09:17

Lynen Street intersection, we're not

1:09:19

able to achieve the 40 foot separation.

1:09:21

So, we're asking for a waiver of that

1:09:23

requirement. Um as well as

1:09:30

the curb radi requirement for

1:09:32

multifamily development I think is 20 ft

1:09:34

and it's just not achievable. We're

1:09:36

we're providing uh 5t I believe at all

1:09:38

the the entrance areas um from Lynen as

1:09:42

well as Kalamus. So it would be two-way

1:09:44

access coming off you know both both

1:09:47

streets there. um we are providing the

1:09:50

uh required amount of parking as well as

1:09:52

an 188 space with that um and an ADA

1:09:55

pathway to get into the building there.

1:09:57

Um so just a couple additional details

1:10:00

to add on to the narrative there, but

1:10:02

we're open for any questions.

1:10:06

Um

1:10:10

>> I think this is a a great project.

1:10:12

Again, I know a few years ago we had

1:10:15

another contractor

1:10:18

didn't work out with them, I guess.

1:10:20

[clears throat] And that building's

1:10:21

still standing there like

1:10:24

it's ugly, you know, that's all I can

1:10:27

say. So, anything to approve that corner

1:10:30

that that's great and seem like you guys

1:10:32

are doing a good job with that.

1:10:35

So, I have no questions at this time.

1:10:38

Especially the commissioners.

1:10:41

>> Yeah, it's a it's a great bud and glad

1:10:43

city will be utilized. So, nothing not

1:10:46

to like about the project. All in favor,

1:10:49

>> Commissioner Reed.

1:10:50

>> No questions or concerns.

1:10:53

>> Commissioner M.

1:10:55

>> I think uh it's a a great land

1:10:57

development project. Love the plan set.

1:10:59

Appreciate the thoroughess and um I'm

1:11:01

assuming uh Jeff the city engineers

1:11:04

review will be attached to all of this.

1:11:07

It wasn't an

1:11:08

>> Yeah, I don't think it was in the Harky

1:11:09

packets, but it's on the online one. I

1:11:10

think you know some of the statements

1:11:13

were basically 5 foot wide sidewalks

1:11:14

instead of 4 foot wide which is shown on

1:11:16

the plan. Um but it was generally minor

1:11:19

issues such as that.

1:11:21

>> Thank you

1:11:25

>> questionc.

1:11:31

>> Yeah no questions.

1:11:34

>> Okay. This is no one from the public on

1:11:37

the left. one person here for against

1:11:40

the project and one there. So as I said

1:11:45

before I guess it is again as said like

1:11:50

to see all this building and especially

1:11:55

properties that you can people can rent

1:11:58

or afford to live in. So with that uh

1:12:01

could I get a motion

1:12:03

>> motion to approve with conditions?

1:12:05

>> Is there a second?

1:12:06

>> Second. It's been moved and seconded for

1:12:08

approval of this project with the four

1:12:10

conditions. All those in favor say I.

1:12:14

>> I oppos.

1:12:19

>> Thank you so much. Thank you.

1:12:29

>> Uh just uh introducing the new deputy

1:12:32

director uh Stephanie Thompson.

1:12:36

>> [laughter]

1:12:37

>> has the nerve to sit next to you.

1:12:40

I can't wait.

1:12:40

>> Yeah, I don't know who this is. No. Um,

1:12:43

no. Stephanie started uh April 6th, so

1:12:46

she's been here a month now. Um, and uh

1:12:50

she uh graduated from the same college I

1:12:52

did. Uh, but I did not meet her through

1:12:54

an alumni network. Uh, actually my

1:12:56

barber introduced me to her. So, just

1:12:58

happened to be we both went to Virginia

1:13:00

Comwalth University. Um but uh uh you

1:13:04

know she'll be taking over the planning

1:13:07

commission and zoning hearing board

1:13:08

meetings moving forward probably

1:13:11

definitely by July uh and uh maybe have

1:13:14

her leading um the case reports from the

1:13:18

planning bureau's perspective in June.

1:13:20

Um so because we have a relatively light

1:13:22

agenda, just two cases there for June.

1:13:24

So I think it'll be a good good time for

1:13:26

her to uh get her feet wet on that. Uh,

1:13:28

and with that, I'll uh let Stephanie

1:13:30

provide a little bit more information

1:13:31

about herself.

1:13:34

>> I don't really have any more

1:13:35

information. [laughter]

1:13:40

>> I actually am from Harrisburg. Okay.

1:13:42

>> Born and raised.

1:13:45

>> That's good.

1:13:47

>> Only thing I request of you, since Jeff

1:13:51

does it, all I ask for water.

1:13:54

>> There you go.

1:13:55

>> I was warned about the water.

1:13:57

>> Yeah.

1:13:59

I was [snorts] best that's because

1:14:00

you're here. I think that's why.

1:14:02

[laughter]

1:14:03

But besides that, I think you'll enjoy

1:14:06

yourself working. We have a good mission

1:14:08

here dedicated and welcome aboard.

1:14:13

>> Thank you.

1:14:15

>> Um the only other thing is why is this

1:14:18

gentleman still here?

1:14:22

>> In the future developing projects as

1:14:25

well. I'm stay

1:14:28

Greg a lot.

1:14:30

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:14:30

>> Yes. So, I just want to This is my

1:14:32

second time coming here, so I love

1:14:34

everything that's going around. So, I'm

1:14:36

here.

1:14:38

So, I got to All right, man.

1:14:39

>> No, you don't have to leave.

1:14:41

[laughter]

1:14:42

>> You can.

1:14:43

>> I love this. I love this.

1:14:45

>> One day I'll be sitting there.

1:14:47

>> People don't get bored with our meeting.

1:14:50

>> See, we can see there's nobody here.

1:14:53

>> Sitting there one day [laughter]

1:14:56

with a big project.

1:14:57

Okay.

1:15:01

>> That's very good.

1:15:02

>> Yes, sir.

1:15:03

>> Okay. Is there any before German

1:15:06

anything was good at order?

1:15:08

>> Oh, city solicitor. Anything?

1:15:12

>> Okay. With that, can I get a motion for

1:15:15

a German?

1:15:16

So move.

1:15:17

>> Is there a second?

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