Timothy Ronald Show: Owner Coffee Shop Omset 450jt Harus Ngapain?
Before scaling a coffee shop from 3 to 6 branches, the owner must fix unit economics, separate company retained earnings from personal investing, and master basic business math like payback period and DCF.
Getting these fundamentals wrong risks angry investors, misused company funds, and stalled expansion despite already-profitable outlets.
Section summaries
Intro and Call Format
skipTimothy opens with music and explains this is a free consultation session where viewers ask business or career questions via a Discord form. He states the session shares his personal framework, not buy/sell recommendations, and that all investments and businesses carry risk. The first caller is then connected.
Pure setup with no actionable content.
Reno Coffee Shop Financials
watchReno, 30, runs three Solo coffee shops doing 50 million Rupiah/month total at 20% net, with 2 billion Rupiah capex per outlet funded 85% by angel investors on 70/30 then 50/50 profit splits. Timothy calculates net profit per outlet at 33 million/month and corrects Reno's payback claim from 3 years to 5 years, implying ~19% ROE. He says this return is acceptable but not phenomenal and outlines three funding options: own cash, equity, or debt.
- Per-outlet net profit is 33 million Rupiah/month on 2 billion capex
- Investor payback is 5 years not 3, giving ~19% ROE
- Debt is cheaper than equity only if math is understood
Core case study with the video's central math corrections.
Coffee Shop Growth and Governance
watchTimothy tells Reno to focus on cost efficiency, annual price hikes (Buffett's See's Candies example), online ordering via a second brand, and community scaling to lift YoY growth to 10%. He scolds Reno for putting retained earnings in gold/Bitcoin, saying company money must stay in RDPU for branches 4-6. He emphasizes knowing business language and cleaning fundamentals before expanding.
- Raise prices 3-5% yearly to match inflation
- Retained earnings belong to company, not personal crypto bets
- Online channel is mandatory for coffee shop scale
Contains the main actionable growth and governance advice.
DCF and Holding Structure
optionalTimothy explains discounted cash flow (DCF) valuation to model coffee shop cash flows over 5 years and says investors should use it. He advises Reno to keep per-outlet structures rather than a holding company unless a strategic supply-chain investor appears, and confirms 19% is fine for now given heavy F&B operations. Reno thanks him and the call ends.
- Use DCF to forecast 5-year coffee shop value
- Avoid holding-company equity sales until 20-50 branches exist
- Strategic investor only useful for supply chain at scale
Useful valuation detail but not critical for casual viewers.
Doctor Moses Property and 20B Target
watchMoses, 39, a Surabaya doctor, has 9-10 billion Rupiah in boarding houses yielding 90-95 million/month (12% return) and 4 billion cash wanting to become 20 billion in 5 years for charity hospitals and Quran schools. Timothy shows 37% CAGR is impossible in markets (Buffett did 19%) and only business could attempt it; with no time, Moses should accept 10-11% over 15 years and avoid anyone promising 37%. He notes three bank stocks give no diversification.
- 37% yearly return is market-impossible; 10-11% is world average
- Property at 12% yield is solid, do not liquidate blindly
- Three banks = no sector diversification
Important reality-check on return expectations for professionals.
Abdul Rahim Family Funds
optionalAbdul, 19, grew 5 million to 896 million and manages parents' 3.5 billion from land sale. Timothy allocates 1.7 billion to USD Indonesian government bonds (5-6%), 25% to global equity, 25% tactical cash in RDPU, and tells him to cut speculative crypto to stay defensive since he can live on interest. He suggests charging parents a 2% management fee as income.
- Split parents' funds: bonds, global index, RDPU cash
- At 19, prioritize not losing over aggressive growth
- Family asset manager can earn 2% fee legally
Specific to young crypto-windfall case, less general.
Gro Digital Invitation Struggle
watchGro, 28, project manager with wife/child, runs B2B2C digital invitation business at 350 million/year, 35-40% net, but stuck and 80% of liquid wealth in Bitcoin. Timothy orders him to sell 10-20% BTC/gold weekly to build 20 million emergency fund, then focus on the business instead of pivoting. He bluntly says it is a 'skill issue' versus bigger competitors and to study the market size before jumping.
- Build 20 million emergency fund by selling BTC weekly
- Do not pivot from a working 350 million/year business
- Competitor size is skill gap, not market limit
Strong lesson on focus and emergency funds for side hustlers.
Fajri ASN and Chat Q&A
watchFajri, 24, single ASN earning 8.2 million/month with 54 million assets, asks about allocation and Masters plans. Timothy says get the Masters if it raises income, notes 25-year pension math, and stresses building side business since time-for-money cannot enrich. He cites 70% millionaires as entrepreneurs and answers chat: 19-year-old with 30 million/month should first not lose then grow; tokenization has Indonesia asset opportunity.
- ASN salary alone needs 25 years to hit 1.2 billion target
- Side business required to shorten financial freedom timeline
- Investing is last stage after business scale per richest families
Closes with broad wealth-building principles and chat answers.
Outro and Discord Reminder
skipTimothy points to a Discord form for next live consultations, repeats that viewers can ask in comments or the server, plays closing music, and ends the session. No new advice is given.
Only sign-off and community plug.
Key points
- Know Your Business Numbers Cold — Timothy shows the caller Reno miscalculated investor payback at 3 years when the real figure was 5 years given 70/30 then 50/50 profit splits on a 2 billion Rupiah per-outlet cost. Business has its own language of RAB, ROE, BEP, and DCF that owners must know by heart.
- Retained Earnings Are Not Personal Money — Reno parked company retained earnings in gold and Bitcoin, which Timothy calls a governance failure since that cash belongs to the company and should sit in money-market funds (RDPU) for expansion. Separating entity and personal funds is the foundation before scaling.
- Growth Levers: Cost, Price, Online, Community — For a coffee shop doing 50 million/month per branch at 20% net, Timothy advises daily cost efficiency, small annual price hikes tracking inflation (citing Buffett's See's Candies), online ordering via a second brand, and deeper community partnerships to lift year-on-year growth to 10%.
- Focus Beats Pivoting for Small Businesses — Across the digital-invitation and coffee cases, Timothy argues owners should double down on a proven Rp350 million/year business rather than jump to new ideas, because restarting the timeline repeats early struggle instead of compounding.
- Wealth Comes From Business, Not Time-For-Money — In the ASN and doctor segments, Timothy states 70% of millionaires are entrepreneurs; exchanging time for a salary cannot reach 20 billion targets, so building a side income engine is required even while keeping a job.
“You have to know what the calculation is like.” — Timothy Ronald
“retained earnings are the company's money, not your profit.” — Timothy Ronald
AI-generated from the transcript. May contain errors.
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Okay,
so today we're going to go back to the
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. So it can be about
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all free. You just have to ask
for free and I will share
my opinion here.
Again, this is not a recommendation to buy or sell
any assets. This is just the framework
I have. And all investments
definitely have risks, right? Business also
has risks. And I will
share this based on
my personal experience. [gasp] So let's just go
straight to the first caller.
Yes,
it's in.
Hello.
Hello. What's his name?
Hey I'm with Reno.
Yes
Good. Hey, Ms. Tim, first of all I want to
say thank you for your
investment views. I can
change my life quite a bit
. Rainer
ee next I want I am now
running a coffee shop.
Okay.
Ee already has three branches, the target is to
have six branches in the next 2 years
.
Ee my coffee shop concept is for
WFC meetings from community
I
as well as productive activities.
Hey, I wanted to ask Proim a few things
.
How old are you, Rener?
Oh, 30.
Okay.
Uh, from a business model perspective,
what is the most efficient and
scalable business model for a coffee shop like mine?
So what indicators do
I need to achieve so I can
replicate it and have more outlets?
Okay, to give you an idea,
what is the turnover per branch and where is it located
?
Each branch is located in Solo.
I
e for the data I
ee for yearly or monthly?
Just monthly to make it easier.
Monthly ee from three outlets R50-an million.
Okay. How much does it all cost to run
?
Ee net profit finally was around
20%.
Yes
Okay. That means we have around Rp. 100 million in cash, right?
Yes, it is true.
Okay.
That's from three branches, yes. This means that one
branch is around Rp. 33 million or so.
Oh, that's per outlet
per
each outlet. Number of outlets.
That's right.
Yes This means that the net profit per outlet is IDR 33 million
.
Oh yes, that's right.
Okay. So the question is how do you
develop it to 6?
That's right.
Okay. What's the problem now?
M, if Oh yes, for me,
those two outlets are with investors from
outside.
Okay.
So each outlet has different investors.
I also want to ask what the
risks are with this kind of collaboration concept
.
Okay.
R is around our total project of around
2 billion 2 to 2
per outlet.
per outlet.
Okay.
At the best outlets, the
ROE is around
28 to 30%.
Okay.
How long will it take for investors to recoup their capital
?
Ee with 30% 3 years or 2.5 years Ma'am
that means return on equity.
That's right.
Okay.
And [snorts]
what investor-related question?
Mm, I want to know what the pitstick is to make it more
attractive to investors,
or
what kind of figures investors want?
Because if the investors that exist now can
probably be counted as angel investors
because they are only people I know and
they are willing to invest in it. Like
that.
Okay. That's from the net profit, eh,
how does your system work with investors? Will
the investors get their capital back first or
what?
Not directly sharing the 7030 profit.
70 first for investors, 30 for me.
After BEP 5050
at several other outlets I
also entered but not in
large amounts. I probably have 10 to 15%.
Okay. The
remaining
2 billion from investors means 2 billion per
outlet, yes, per coffee shop, right?
That's right.
This results in a net profit meaning
this is full full investor means yes. You
don't have your own capital, right?
ee 15% of that has 15% I also join in
sometimes.
Okay. So from this RAB, you have 15
85 investors. That's right
. Okay. With a net period of IDR 3 million, that
means it will be around
60 months, right?
You're counting wrong. So
your investor's BP is
5 years,
1 month, or 1-2 months, right?
You're not 2-3 years old, you know. You investors,
your return is 5 years,
yes, because this means
OK. Okay. Because there is a profit sharing.
That's right.
Yes, it is true. The return on equity
means approximately 19%, right?
H.
Okay.
So, is this a sexy thing for
investors, to get this much return on investment?
Actually, a 19% return is
n't bad, but it's not
phenomenal either.
That's right. It's
actually simple, if you
already know the RAB calculation per
branch is 2 billion, and if there are
investors who want a
net profit of 3 million IDR per month, then you just have to
race again with your investors. So,
you have to wait until you get your capital back first
. You return your investors' capital
like this.
Yes, that's right, ma'am. So, where do you think it
needs improvement or is the net
profit not big enough? If it's like
that, it's
certain that the
net profit from this revenue actually includes
your costs, right? This is the net profit.
That's right.
One thing is for sure, it will increase revenue. Okay.
Turnover.
So, what have you explored
to increase your turnover?
ee I ivory some communities for
collaboration in each of my outlets
yes.
Then, I'm also exploring
online ordering.
I
plan to open a second brand
specifically for online orders
because the discounts online are quite
large. So I want to,
I want to, I want to
create a second brand
to increase revenue from online.
Well, for the big ones,
the key is actually from the coffee
shop, you are actually online.
The key is online because most
people order coffee
online now. So being online is
something you have to think about how to do
. Although the cost now,
if we look at the existing right-hand driving,
at least from Gojek
and Grab, is the biggest, it's quite
expensive, right? The price keeps going up now, right? That
's right,
and the cuts have decreased,
not like 2-3 years ago because
they seem to have started to stop
burning, right? That's
right K. It's up to 30 to 40%
if we join the promo. So
,
you have to think about how to
do online activation so that
sales will be even better.
Well, from this scheme, this is a
personal choice, right? What I mean is there's no
right or wrong here. If you want to
fundraise, there are three ways you can use to
fund your business. one is your own money,
two is the investor, you sell equity,
the third is eh deb or debt,
right?
Yes
Well, the calculation is actually if
you are sure this can be done without risk, it is
cheaper than using equity
investors, in fact using debt is
cheaper.
Oh,
but that's not recommended if you
don't really understand the
calculations. Because you were
still wrong in calculating the
investor's BP. So, use investors first
for now, right?
Six-branch question, is it possible? Well, in my
personal opinion, I will
develop these three things. How can
coffee shops from
1, 2, and 3 coffee shops
generate even greater net profits?
Because this should still be
possible to increase. Yes, no, this can go to
30%, right?
H, this is
you, financial engineering.
You have to find the net profit.
How can you increase this number of
times? It was then. So, every morning
from the time you wake up until you go to sleep again,
how can you be cost efficient?
That's the first one. You will
immediately reflect on what
your bookkeeping will be like. How
can you manage costs most efficiently,
how can you increase
revenue? That's one. You already
knew this. This turnover has several
ways, right? You already said earlier
how this community is scaling?
community so that there will be more
communities there.
Well, you can actually play with the pricing too
.
Have you taken the test yet? Try raising the price
maybe by a small 5%.
Oh, that's enough, because we've been doing this since 2019, so we've had to
adapt to
price increases several times.
That's right. That's what was done before. So,
one of the investors I always
study is Buffett, right? Buffett
owns a candy company
called Seas Candies. The trick is
actually simple, every year he just raises
the price. So, in consumer brands,
raising prices is something that
many people are afraid to do,
because coffee is very competitive
. It would be better for you to
research your target market and then you can
estimate how much you can increase it,
whether it can be increased by 3%,
or 5% or something like that. You have to
increase this every year, okay? But at least
you just follow inflation.
What is the benchmark?
Every year the price has to go up.
If you don't, you'll end up being eroded, and
your net profit will continue to decline.
Okay,
ready.
Then I also want to ask about
retained earnings
.
We have retained earnings.
But the number is not that many because opening one outlet is quite a lot. That's 2 M, right? Yes
Now I only save in
gold and Bitcoin.
Okay. Well, that's wrong. Back and forth again.
This is your coffee shop business, right?
It must be in your cash or
cash to cash format.
This should be in the money market fun only. This
can't get out of here. Even if you
don't buy bonds,
put all your retained earnings in the DPU.
Oh okay okay
okay.
Because I still divide the variables
from Bitcoin into two and
because
don't be mistaken, this retained earnings
belongs to the company, not you.
Unless it's your personal money. But
retained earnings are the company's money, not
your profit.
That's right.
You will use the company's money to
expand the company. If you do
that, you are not practicing good
corporate governance. So what needs to be
done is to separate this
company money first. you can't do that.
That is with the approval of the ee investor as well.
Oh, that's right. But your investors are
not smart enough. So, if I
were your investor, I would definitely be angry because the
company's retained earnings are being used to buy
gold.
Oh
okay.
That's not common practice, right?
Maybe these small businesses are
still small businesses, right? Maybe it's
okay. But you have to have a habit.
Because of this, you're not starting a business
just to open three branches, right? You
have a dream of making 20, making 30. So
from now on, that's the foundation. If
you start a business with a
weak foundation like
this, you have to strengthen the basics first.
Like everything you said earlier,
you have to understand this. This is business language
. Do
n't be like
this, you've already done it and this is
your job every day, right? You
asked your investors how long BP will last?
You answered 3 years. In fact, the
mistakes are far more serious, 5 years and 3 years are
crucial and fatal. Like,
for example, when I'm an investor, I
see people who are asked questions like they're so
wrong, I'll never go in
because they don't understand the language.
Just like you say in Indonesian, business
also has its own language.
You should know the numbers by heart.
You have to know what
the calculation is like.
Okay,
so the first step is to complete these three things first.
I think this is your homework. Clean up
first. This.
Okay, these three. Once all three are in place,
your options are to use the retained earnings
or the retained earnings plus new investors
to create branches 4, 5, and
6. It's actually that simple
because your business is already running. Do you
understand? This is not an idea, it's already
running, there's already a path, there's already a
community, there are already people buying it.
That means the turnover every month is already IDR 50
million, right? You
have to think about it because this is not a
return on equity of 19%, it's not that
bad.
You can still grow this and this, right? This is
still above the investors you bought
deposits from, roughly speaking.
But then again, there are business risks.
That's right.
I really think that
in 5 years your cash flow won't necessarily be
stable, right? Yes,
that's why if you take dep, it's
true because
you can evaluate a
business. Business is simple.
This business is a money machine, right? It makes R3
million a month, right?
Hehe.
Okay. [clears throat]
The way to value the business is that this is
projected to last until the second year
. Third year, fourth year,
fifth year. Okay, then discount back the
future cash flows. This has to be for
future cash, right? The future value is
discounted back to the average cost
of capital. Well, this is called DCF,
discounted cash flow model. So,
your investors should calculate it like
this to see whether your coffee shop is
worth investing in or not.
But the problem here is whether it
will reach the fourth and
fifth years, or whether the cash flow will remain
stable with this 19% offer.
This is what you have to
think about and see, you try to make a
model, you forecast the future like that.
You made this in Excel, approximately
how much did it produce in the fifth year?
What percentage is the growth rate [clears throat]?
For example, here the growth is 10%. Has
your coffee shop
grown
from 2019? What is the year-on-year
growth percentage?
If it grows because we add
outlets, that is.
Likewise, we can't do much more,
only 5% at most.
Okay. So what needs to be done
is how to
increase it by at least 10% year on year. Yes, it's up to
you whether you want to turn yourself upside down or not, and
it's up to
you and the community to find out how to grow. It's the
same for this, how come the cooperation system is
the same? If I have
three now, one is mine
alone, one is me and the investor, the
other is me and the investor, so each
outlet is different. Is it better for me to sell equity
in holding or just stay in tii outlet? That's a
good question. So you
made it like this, the structure is so it's
your first one,
right?
That's right.
I don't know the name, I'll just copy it later
. say yes.
Yes
So you own this yourself, this is you
plus investors.
Yes
The other one is just an investor.
Yes, there are some who are just investors.
Well, this is the RAB per unit, right?
Yes
Well, this is your own, right? This PT is a
holding company. Is that right
?
What you mean is, is this equity
sold like that or just per outlet?
That's right. The answer is definitely the stomach, the
answer is definitely the stomach,
unless there is a strategic investor,
that's different. What can strategic infal do?
Which can add to the supply chain
for example.
For example, if your coffee is invested
by a big coffee company, or
not, for example, if it is invested by HWG
[laughs] the way to do it is that
your dream is still far away, the RAB is to enlarge it
first, we won't play with 2
M R goods, our RAB, if we want to build 100
to 500 M, no, 2 M, we won't play,
so the answer is you have to look for the
supply chain, okay,
okay,
you have to look for something that has a connection
with you, okay. So, for example, if you're looking for
coffee, a big coffee chain
makes it interesting.
Later, when we're bigger, we can
talk again if you have 20 or
50 branches, that's it. But for
now, what
you are doing is
correct. So stay at the lower level,
stay below, don't just be below the
outlets. Yes,
you just make the RAB [clears throat] for the outlets. But
yes, make sure the
performance is good, but yes,
with 19%, your investors should be quite happy so far
because coffee shops are a difficult
business. That
's right K. The operation is very heavy, yes.
That's right. Operations for 19% are quite
heavy. So, if you are
consistent, maybe in 20 years you can
do this and it could become something big
.
Ready.
Answered
all answered K. Thank you.
Okay, hopefully it's answered, Rainer.
[clears throat]
Thank you, K.
OK.
Next, yeah.
Yes, I'm in. Who with? Cook
it. Good afternoon. I am Moses.
Who am I?
Moses.
Moses.
Yes, it is true. I am
39 years old. 39 years old, ma'am
. Are the
children of two
doctor K professions?
Okay. Where, doctor? Where is it
? In Surabaya.
Oh, in Surabaya. Okay.
That's right,
until I was 39,
I've only been learning
about finances for years, what do you call it? Yes.
Yes
the rest is just me studying medicine.
I,
because my hair is starting to turn gray, am starting to
think about something else. Oh.
So after I studied around,
what is it actually called? I'd
like your opinion, please
. During my work, I felt that
my investment strategy was reversed for my age
.
So, I, uh, what's it called, from
my income, to maintain
its value, I put most of it into
property.
According to the teachings of your parents, yes.
Yes
So now the liquid properties are
mostly boarding houses.
Okay.
Yes More or less, we only manage
70 rooms, right? Yes,
during my work, 70 rooms with ee
income were approximately
90 to 90 to R95 million per month.
Okay. That's clean. Is it clean?
It's clean.
How much capital was there at that time? Make it all the
same,
make it all in the four places,
around 9 or 9 to semilan,
that's 9 to 10
billion, right? Okay.
He is spread out, we teach the
location from savings, work
and so on.
If the active income from ee practice is
more or less the same,
maybe 100 to 130.
Yes
Actually, my question is
based on my ideals, I just
want to be simple, I don't want to be
really rich.
Yes,
I only enjoy the investment results
while I'm still alive and healthy and
then when I die, you know,
I'm a Muslim, right?
yes.
Yes
Hey, from now on, I'll prepare from
studying this year, I'll prepare
this year, I'll prepare cold cash, you know, in
other words, around 4 billion
. I
want to, ee Mas, what is it called,
invest so that it becomes 20 billion
in approximately 3 years, yes,
because 39 plus 3 or 4 years from now,
I will be 43, 44, yes, 43,
approximately 45, I have already focused on, ee,
what is it called, preparing for the
next life, yes, so I don't get tired of
practicing and so on,
yes,
my goal is to have 4 billion from 4 billion to
20 billion with the hope that
I want to have a housing complex, yes, a
small housing complex somewhere
that teaches
about reading the Quran and so on.
Secondly, I want a hospital in
my field. Hospitals are
small hospitals, just the small type D type
.
If there is still some left, I want to
invest it again in the boarding house so that he can get it,
even if it's slow.
Still, the liquid that I really want is
actually to go overland there.
Want to overland
around the world. So, roughly speaking,
with these 4 Ms, what should I
do to achieve the points
I want, Ma'am, at the age of approximately
45 years.
Okay. Basically, you are a doctor, right?
If you're a doctor,
your life trajectory is usually like this. This is called human capital
.
So your income will decrease
with age because there is retirement and
this should be an investment asset, right?
Okay. You meant earlier that there was a property, yes,
this property was 9 M
which generated R95 million per
month.
90 to 95. Yes,
90 to 95. We say 90 to make it
easy. That means it's Rp billion per year, right?
per year. Well, if we do a
rough calculation, this is 12% per year.
This is okay, this is good, 11, yes, 12%.
That's right. And you have a question,
you have 4 billion, right?
Yes,
your target is 20, right? No. If
we calculate
roughly, this means 37% CGR over just 5 years.
Well, where do you look for this
question?
37% is not something that is
true. 37% is not something you
can find in the financial market.
Because if we take the world average index, it's
10 to 11% per year. If you are
looking for a consistent 37% return per year
for 5 years, that's an impossible answer in the
financial markets.
What you have to do to reach
37% is definitely this can only be done
through effort
or business.
So, what were you planning to do with the
4Ms?
For my business, frankly, the
time is right.
Yes
Furthermore, there was no time in the morning and when
he came home at night, there was no time.
Well, if there's no more time,
you have to stick to 10 to 11%. This
will take about 15 years,
right? So, yeah.
Yes
Okay. The answer is there is no
quick way to increase your income
or get it from somewhere,
money can't fall from the sky like that
.
This can't be done. This is impossible
your question. So, those who have a
financial target of reaching 20 billion have to
find other ways to
get there.
But if we actually talk about
your assets roughly, we can estimate that your assets will
appreciate a
little. Your property is 10 billion,
basically you have 10
billion worth of property, you have 4 billion, so your liquidity is only
6 billion left, right?
Yes
Well, that could be an option, later we'll look to see
if there are any buyers for this liquidation
because the return is good, right, 12% per
year.
Well, then you can put it into something
more passive later. Between
government SBN, government bonds, you
can put it in foreign equity,
you can brainstorm it later. But if
your question is how to do it in
5 years, I can't answer
that because no one will be
able to give you a return of 37% per
year, that's impossible. Warren Buffett's
19% per year. You asked for double from
Warren Buffett.
Difficult is difficult and there is no such thing. If
someone tells you that oh this can
definitely be done, 37% of the time, that's definitely a lie.
Because the investment is on average 10 to
11%, yes.
Okay.
Yes
So the answer is time,
right? There are several types of investments, what are they
called?
There are three, right? The first is saving
state, the
second is time,
the third is return. Well, the thing you ca
n't control the most is the
return. So, what you can
control is the amount of your savings and
also the timing. Play there, yeah.
I
ee ee can I ask again, OK?
Yes.
Ah, from this 4M, it's because I'm just
learning, right? Why is that? watch
Koko's videos too and others.
Of this 4M, it's already a few percent,
almost 70% of it is divided, approximately
1.5 M of it is in Bitcoin, right, Mrs.
I.
Then, the rest is in the big band, right,
at BCA. it's big yeah. BCA, BRI, BMRI,
there are a few, so
more or less,
in BTC there are around 1.5.
Then there are
BCA and BRI, there are around 100
to 200, the biggest BCA is 200.
Yes,
this is in 200, in what
million, 200 million is only small. Okay.
So it comes
from the rupiah, right? In
rupiah, yes, everything is in rupiah.
So the remaining money from the 4 M is
because I am not financially literate.
Yes The
remainder, maybe one remainder,
how many remainders? 13 to 1.5 maybe.
Okay.
H.
So, was I wise in putting
that money there? So it's mostly cash,
right?
Ee, there's 1.5 left, Bro. Of the four,
1.5 are left now. Because there are
no four of them.
These four have already entered into BTC 1.5
M.
Okay.
Well, the rest went into the three banks, 1.5
M. Why did it become 200 earlier? This is 200 at 1.5
M. So the
BTC is 1.5 M. Okay,
there is still a remainder, right, that
1.5
2, where does half of it go?
There are still
2.5 of them left, which BCA, BRI, and
BMRI each have, let's say, around
300. Well, that's it.
That just means 1.5 + 900 right?
Yes
Yes 1.5 + 900 means 2.4 right.
Well, the result is 1.6. Well,
the question is
Oh. Oh, you, you should say it using
percentages, it would be clearer, right? Yes, yes.
So it's true that the
remaining money is 1.6 of that
money, that money is money. That's right.
Oh yes. Yes, it's okay. That's okay,
that's good.
Well, these are the only three questions I have
. Why are there three banks like this?
Because of my ignorance.
Yes
So yeah, never mind.
So the answer is this, try to
analyze again which one is the best
.
Hehe. Hey.
Don't buy all three. Because of this,
you buy three to spread the risk,
right?
But if you buy it like this, it
doesn't spread the risk.
Unless, for example, your second position is
coal, mining,
mining. These are consumer goods. That's a different
story. But if all three
banks are like this, it's the same as buying
one, there's no diversification
.
Maybe that's all the sector that needs to be fixed
.
Yes, the sector is being improved. Haha.
Where would I go with the rest of the money?
Yes, if you park, just park first.
Money market is okay.
This RDPU can also be placed in down.
5% now is a pretty big yield.
Because you are still what? Full time work
right? Can't keep an eye on it every day.
Full time working.
Yes
Can't keep an eye on it. Yes
What's coming into BTC again?
If the rest goes back into BTC it is too
risky. Yes, this is how
you make
your portion very big. And now you are not someone
who can be watched every day. It's a different
story if you can keep an eye on it
every day.
If you can keep an eye on it every day, it's
okay to look for high volatility. But this is already quite big
in your portfolio.
In terms of risk management, it's not
okay for those of you who work full time
and this isn't your job.
Okay thanks.
Okay
next.
Hello.
Yes. What's his name?
I am Abdul Rahim.
Okay. The
first age is 19 years.
Okay.
I've been following Gimoti
since 2022
.
From YouTube to Crypto academies.
Initially, I started from scratch and didn't
know what a financial market was.
Thank God, my initial capital was R5
million, so it became R896 million.
Okay.
Apart from that, my parents also have
liquid funds of around 3.5 billion
from the sale of land.
This is my parents' funds, not your funds, yes,
3.5 billion.
Yes This question my parents also surrendered to
me and Kim TV.
[laughs]
people. Okay.
Then, I also monitor
the market full time. Hey, should I start a
business or just stay idle and monitor the
market?
Here's your question, would you rather be
unemployed or keep an eye on the market? So
you were asked to be the family fan manager,
that's how it went?
Yes
Yes, actually that is also an option.
Actually, that's an option,
there are various professions in the market, right? One
of them is that in the outside world,
people make fun, asset management and
all sorts of things. But it seems like you've
been given the responsibility of being the
family fan manager, right?
And how is that?
Yes That's right.
Is it better to continue like this or would it be
better if you went to college already?
No. No. I think I'll want to do it later
. If I had my own money,
I would want to go to college. If
not, just be an office boyuti.
Why? Want to be an office boy here
means
this person.
Yes
Okay. So, you have 3.5 billion, so that means
it's from your parents, right? This is
your question, right? Because you
have already allocated your money yourself.
Cash.
Okay. What should I do with this cash?
How old are your parents?
Hey, Dad is 56, Mom is 51. Okay. Because
your parents are getting old, right? So
if we are
age appropriate, the risk profile is
usually age appropriate. So the first thing
to do is this 3.5 billion, right?
Yes That
means 1.7, yes, you entered it in
Indonesia.
This is the Indonesian government bond in USD.
Later you can just ask at the bank.
Yes
Okay. This will yield you 5 to 6%
in USD. That's the first one. for
security. At least if anything happens to
your family, it won't be a problem. What
you can share is this actually.
Well,
you can put this 25% in the real world index
.
Okay, this is global equity, global stocks, the
other 25%, you can position it
as tactical cash first. Please
wait. this can be done in DPU.
Okay, maybe we can start with this first
. So this is my portfolio.
Yes, the
896 is
63% cash
. The
USDT
Bitcoin has just been paid in installments of 6%. The
average is 58300.
Yes.
Then the Indonesian shares are 11%.
Okay.
Same with this naughty future street. K.
Well, that shouldn't be
20% naughty.
Yes Well, that's been removed for now,
okay?
Because why?
That's enough money for you at 19
years old, right? You can
get 10% interest on that Rp0 million per
year. Yes, with IDR 0 million per year,
you can earn IDR 7 million per month, which is
like someone's salary without you
actually having to do anything. So, you
have to be more defensive to avoid losing
your money.
So, regarding your question, is
there any work you can do?
Yes, you try to explore it, you know. If
you start a business with capital of, for example, Rp.
100 million, think about
what you can do with this Rp. million in
today's era. Okay.
Yes [clears throat]
And later, when you manage
your parents' money, for example, the
return can be 10%, for example, we call it
blended, for example, you tell
your parents, okay, you manage it,
you get 2%, ask them to
manage it,
that can also be an additional income, right?
So, you just share the management
fee with your parents, right?
Okay, thank you,
so that's it. Okay,
next.
Hello.
Yes, hello with whom?
Yes, good afternoon Gro. Cave of Revelation.
Ee is 28 years old and currently works
as a project manager at one of the
companies in Jakarta.
Yes.
Yes. Hey, maybe I should explain a little bit of the
background first, bro. Hey,
my first job was like that, my salary now
is between 15 and 20. Hey, I
already have a wife and one child. The child is still 9
months old and
also works. R's salary is more or less the same as mine
too.
Well, the current condition is that I
have responsibilities. Besides my wife
and children, I have a family in the
village that I have to support. My younger siblings
too
.
Hey, my mother and father are no longer here. Well,
I have to take responsibility for that. But if
there is no wife, there are no
dependents. So uh,
those days are still enough, but they're
really tight. Well, I have a side
job. My job set, eh, the business has been running for about
2-3 years.
What was the name of the side job?
Hey, I have a B2 B2C invitation business.
What kind of business? Sor
digital invitation.
Oh, a digital invitation, huh?
Yes Well, that's my B2 B2C scheme. So,
I made a website like that. Hey, so
what's the name of the person joining, right? People
who want to get married, yes, but people who
want to have a business, like that. So I have a
lot of partners, there are hundreds of partners.
Of those hundreds, maybe
only around 20% are truly active.
So, in total, the
annual turnover is actually around 300
to 50 million
. But if the profit is around 35%
to 40%.
What is the net profit?
net 40% 35 to 40% of R50
million.
Okay.
Ee yes that's my job set now ee it's
pretty good ee okay that's how it goes ee but
it just
doesn't go up and up like that
every year 330 never reaches
400 never even like that.
Okay.
Well, well, that's the condition. Well, right now,
from a personal financial perspective, my
condition is that 50% of my assets
are non-liquid,
such as vehicles and so on. And
almost 80% of my liquid assets are in
Bitcoin.
Yes
Ee the rest is gold and cash.
So I'm really uh
what overcrated to Bitcoin. I don't
know if this is overcrowded or not,
but 80% of what I mean is in
Bitcoin. So,
what are your monthly expenses?
My monthly expenses for my
family are around R10 million. R million
includes transportation and ee what's it
called? Money money in.
Oh, no. For other expenses,
all inclusive, how much did you pay for your younger sibling and
all that?
Oh, with my family in the village,
I actually have a budget, I send
money around IDR 3 million to IDR
million, depending on the conditions to the village
every month. So if you add it all up, it's
14 million. 14 million million,
yes, it's 1 million, right? Okay. So your salary is
used up, right? It's a salary of R million. Salary is used up
for that, that means yes.
Yes,
2 million or so per month. So that's
around 2 million I can still
invest. But that's really tight, in my
opinion, it's very, very small
to be able to invest in a month. So, I
hope that this is the business
. And I withdraw this business
every 3 months sometimes. So ee is
still considered small. Well, my idea
is that I want to scale this business.
How can I make this business
more profitable? But
now I have a dilemma, Bro. So
first, I tried to make a product like that
, another product like that as a
differentiation, right? Can this
run like my current B?
It turned out to be a failure.
I've tried so many things and they didn't
work. Well, I was thinking,
for example, if the charge is like that, it's
better if I go all in on a scale that
has been proven like that. My
current business, eh, I'm scaling this invitation bus
so it's bigger.
I don't know how to do it yet because
right now I'm just playing with the template
. The more templates there are, the more
templates they keep updating.
more and more partners want to join,
right? So
the profits are also bigger. But if it's just there, it
seems like it's increasing really slowly.
Well, or I'm like gambling,
I allocate a certain percentage of the profit
to create new ideas, to
realize new ideas. Actually, I have a lot of ideas,
I can actually make anything,
especially since I'm an AI agent. So
anything can be made actually. Well,
I'm between the two,
actually, it's more worth it. So now, it's
still free
to create ideas and then publish them
on forums like that. So
there's nothing really serious about it.
Okay, so the answer is either stick to a
business that's already generating R50 million
per year or pivot to something else,
right? That's a question if it's
certain you're focused. Why? Because if
you pivot, you'll start over from
here later. Your business was small at first,
right? Slowly getting to 350 million
.
Yes Then you start again, you become
from here again, then you will be like
this, then this is your life graph, you
become this kind of person, then you repeat it
again here again. Why do people's lives
never develop because they are
like this? Okay, this is the first timeline.
Meanwhile, in the second timeline, you focus on
your business, which continues to grow bigger.
Okay.
Because it does seem like a more
interesting opportunity here, it's like wanting to
jump again, but it's always
bad, you know.
So the answer is definitely focus, right?
Your emergency fund is already there.
Well, this emergency is actually only a
small amount, just 2 months' salary in
cash.
Okay, you have to make that bigger.
You have to make it to R0 million. So
your gold and cash,
your gold and cash, sell it first now.
Okay. So the first step
you have to do now is sell gold at
10%, 10 to 20%, okay? Bitcoin sell.
This is done within 1 month
per week.
Even though the
current situation is down, yes. It is
okay. You should move this
to your emergency fund.
Okay.
Okay. This R0 million you must have this.
You sell it tactically so you won't
regret it if it goes up. You sell it
weekly, you split the sale. Okay.
H.
That was the first thing you did. Okay.
These two are the first priorities. The third thing
you do is return your focus to
the business. What can be developed? Did
n't you say earlier that AI asked what
you use AI for? Use cloud, use Kimi, use
what?
You asked that.
How can I grow like that? You
analyze how it can
grow. Because
actually I'm stuck there,
Bro. So yeah, I feel like it's really difficult
to grow. For example, have you
tried what, in the sense that if we
enlarge it, for example, an advertisement, we
enlarge the advertisement, it's not that
significant, so ee, I usually follow the
trend, ee, for example, if people
get married during the wedding season, there will be a
lot of partners who get a
lot of orders, so we also get a
lot of fees, right? Ee, but if it's
not the wedding season, well, it goes down,
for example, during the fasting months, like
during Ramadan, no one gets married, it's
really rare. Well, it could be like
this. Is there a business that is
invitation-only but big?
Ee there is something like feeding.
Well,
why is he big and you don't have one? The
answer is
that it seems like they can grow big because
what is it called? They
can, eh, their clients are artists,
right? And they have a
really big team.
Yes But there's something like this. Be patient.
This is you, you, you are the brain of this employee
because
you are the skill issue. You are the
reason for most of his life.
This is a skill issue. This is your first problem, right?
Skill issue.
Earlier I asked a simple question, right? Why is
that competitor so much bigger?
Because you answered like this, oh he can be a
celebrity wedding planner, he can
have a big team. But
he didn't start like that before.
When he started the business, whoever did
it, it wasn't like that.
The answer is he is better than you.
He is 100 times, 1000 times, 100,000 times
smarter than you.
And maybe he won't make it a side
job, Bro.
Yes, it is true. But it's just an excuse that if you
grow up like this, you'll definitely leave
your job. I don't want you to have to
swallow that first, your mental state
is very dangerous. Because it will
make you stuck for the rest of your life just
playing around like that.
Okay.
You're just going around in circles in the
same position like oh this is how he can do it because
Well, why can't you do that?
Hmm.
Is it because the tip isn't much?
Yes Can.
Is it because you're not good enough?
You've answered, you've answered,
you definitely have skill, you definitely lack skill, you're
not very good. Come on, this world is capitalism
.
The most skilled is definitely the richest.
That's right.
He has the biggest team, the
biggest resources, he can expand the
fastest.
So the answer is why don't you
learn from people like that?
Who are the top players in the
invitation business? So don't say
that the market cap for the invitation business is 50
million Rupiah a year.
Yes, I know grocery stores make
bigger ones than that.
That's right. That's right. You are like this, you are like this, you are like this,
right? The total market for
digital invitations is like this, you are just like this,
period,
yes,
then you feel like this is difficult, then
you want to jump into another business, this is a
business that is easier for
you to break through compared to others,
hm, okay,
okay, how much do you calculate first? The
addressable market for all invitation businesses
in Indonesia, you put it into one, calculate how many
hundreds of billions and how many
trillions? You count that first.
Hmm.
So, how much did you get? R350 million
like this. Then there are people here who
make this and take this much. So,
why are you like this?
Okay. So never think that business is
lacking. No one even knows
what your business is called. One you you
you lack divisibility.
People don't know.
Two, maybe the product is inferior. Three,
his team lost.
four accesses lose you lose all of
you in all business lines lose
all of you
so the first thing you have to swallow
is okay I'm not a good person like that
don't make excuses oh because he's like
this
I'm not good enough I have to
learn like that
okay okay okay.
Because if someone can do it, it
means you're just not very good. Like,
for example, when I personally returned, I lost
to Warren Buffet. Why? Because he is
better, I am more cubo. That's it.
Yes
Whatever I can learn from him,
I read it all. So you should
learn about this invitation in your life because the guests are this
big. You're only
new to dots like this, dots,
dots like that. R50 million is in
the ocean of business, it's like just a
grocery store on the edge here looking for one
R50 million a year.
Yes, yes
.
So that's what you have to swallow and
understand. Okay.
Okay. Okay, Bro.
Okay. Hope this helps.
Thank you.
Okay,
next one.
Also, friends who want to chat
here, please chat here. I'll
read it later too. If there is something interesting,
just give me your case, I will
read it and share it too. Okay.
Hello, BTIM. Permission.
Yes
Okay. First of all, thank you team for
sharing your knowledge and giving me the opportunity to
ask questions here
.
Currently create my profile age Oh,
previously my name was Fajri.
Pat what?
Fajri.
Fajri.
Fajri.
Okay. Fajri.
Fajri.
24 years old.
Status still single.
Why does the status have to be announced?
Huh? Look for your soulmate here. Okay.
So there are no responsibilities. There are still no
liabilities at this time.
Yes The
ASN job for homepay is
still IDR million per month.
I,
but for the addition, there is THR and the
14th salary, the total is probably IDR 14 million. So the
total for a month is 8.2 million
teams.
Yes, just Rp. 8 million. Okay, go on.
Okay, Pastor, currently I
have total assets of around R4 million
or so.
What do you have?
Ee total savings assets
54 million with a division of
23 million in RB.
How much did you spend before?
How much is the expenditure? Okay, monthly expenses are
around 4 million.
R.200. But for the biggest annual expense,
I go home because
my current domicile is in Tidore.
Yes So, every year I can spend
around 12 to 15 million on my homecoming trip. Then
I am also still continuing my studies for my
undergraduate degree and it
will probably end at the end of this year
.
Yes.
Okay. Well, for the plans and eh, let's
continue with the assets,
okay?
Hey, my assets are 23 million in the form of
RDPU.
23 million, yes. Okay.
23 million in RDPU.
My BBCA is 12 million.
I have 5 million BMRI,
12.8 million Bitcoin
,
and 1.5 million USDT, zero debt. Okay.
Okay. Hey, I have a
short-term plan to join AC and
raise money at the end of 2026 or
early 2027. Hopefully the disco program
will continue, Professor Tim. Okay,
the question is
okay, the question is in the next 2 years,
my parents will retire.
Okay.
So what is Broti's view
on my current position? Is
my asset allocation strategy
correct? So how do I
increase my income
so that my saving rate is
higher? Should I start a business or
continue taking classes to improve
my skills and education first, bro?
Team. Okay.
Because I also plan to continue my
Masters in 2027, around August.
Okay, that answers a very good question.
Firstly, if you feel that a Master's degree
will increase your income,
you should get a Master's degree. That's the first answer. Okay.
And in terms of your assets, what you
do is actually your assets are already
good because you already have the amount of money,
times the amount of expenses, right?
That was IDR 3 million in the RDPU.
It's already checked and you have
your positions that you told me about,
everything is okay like that. But maybe
your question is more about how to make it
bigger. Because if you have 4
million, 4 million a month,
you want to touch it, which means
your pension figure is
4 million per month multiplied by 12 * 25, which is the
same as 1.2
billion, right?
To reach 1.2 M with 4 million
a month, you need approximately
25 years, right? You want to shorten
it to your financial freedom target, right?
Ready.
So the answer is you have to increase it by
4 million per month. How do you get
to 12? Kara 12, this is going down straight away, so
how much is it? 12 years, that
should be more or less. I'm just doing a
rough calculation.
So how can
12 be multiplied by 3? Is that with
S2? Is it with ee trying?
Okay. So the way to make the most money
in this world is definitely by
creating a side income. You've been
calling a lot of people who have businesses,
right? You can't get rich by just
exchanging your time for money. If you
also become an ASN you can't be rich. You ca
n't get rich by exchanging time for money.
What you can do is exchange
your time to build a business
that can make you money. Okay. When you have a
lot of money, your money will
become money again. So there are steps like that
. But that doesn't mean
he left his job. His work
will be the main foundation. Well,
you have to be able to think about how
to generate business if your skills are close to yours
.
Ready, Prof. Team.
Hey, for input, if for example I
learn skills in the world of investment, is
it possible or not to join the trading team and so
on.
Look, if you want to talk about investing,
everyone here is investing,
right? And investing isn't something that's
so complex. Investing
is a
simple thing. When it comes to
trading, trading is a
very, very specific job. it's
not a job that everyone can take on
. Out of 100 people, there's probably only
one like that. But if I talk about
trying, out of 100 people, maybe 7 or
10 will succeed. Your chances
of starting a business upgrading your skills and
selling them are greater
than if you try to focus 100% on
trading in the market. I don't
deny that there are crazy people who can do that, you know
. If we talk
about overseas, people like
Paul Toor Jones and there are many
overseas fans who are purely from
trading. But it's not for
everyone. Personally, I'm
more inclined towards investing like that.
I built a business to get results from
my business, then I invested with the
results of my business. Because if we want to
divide the world's millionaires, 70% are
definitely entrepreneurs. 20%
are probably athletes, artists and others.
10% are new investors. Because investors
usually come when the business is
already big. Yes. So if we look
at the richest families
in the world, investment is
their last game. When he was
Samolton, for example,
he made Walmart.
Well, this was when he was older that he created
Walter Enterprise, he just started investing,
you know. But he can have a
very big business. Yes, we want to
say that everyone who can become a conglomerate is
like that. We want to talk about Antoni
Salim. Okay. He has Bogasari, he has
Indofood, right? This makes Indomie, so
he can invest in other things in
the Philippines, in Hong Kong.
So people usually have one branch
, even if you want to talk about group needles,
from cigarettes, they can buy
steak at BCA, Polron, etc.
So the game is how to
build a business, we no
longer exchange our time to
get money because if we only exchange
time to get money, we can't be rich like
that.
Okay
ready to give. Thank you for your input.
Okay, hopefully it's answered. The important thing is to be
prepared to
exchange jobs without exchanging
money for
money. [laughs]
Okay,
let's go. Thank You.
Well, someone asked here, right?
Muhammad Iqbal, yes. I am 19 years old and have a
business that generates R30 million per month.
How is the portfolio allocated?
So when you are still young and
can earn what is called money, yes,
at the age of 19 you can earn R million.
The thing that should be done is
something like that. You think, okay, I
have an income, it's okay, how do I
maintain it first, because you
don't want to double it straight away, the
investment is for survival first.
Okay,
the key to your investment is one, don't
lose.
Okay, this is what it means to survive
when you have income. Second, it is just
developing.
This one and du don't get it the wrong way around
. 19 years old has an income of R30 million,
you must first not lose, second
grow.
And here's another question
[clears throat]
. Someone asked, "I'm currently studying the
concept of tokonization like RW. Is there any
good business capital for tokonization
in Indonesia?"
If you want to focus on working in the
blockchain field, RA could be
an interesting industry.
Because it is stocking
assets, yes. And is there an opportunity in Indonesia
? The answer is definitely yes,
because there are so many assets here that
haven't been allocated yet.
Okay, so next time we go live,
guys, please ask what it's called
in the comments and I'll be able to
answer it one by one, but for those who want to
ask in the next live, you can just
go straight to Discord and
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