Boy Mom Situation

I got something a little weird to share

with you here. This is a story that

apparently blew up on Boyom Tik Tok,

which I guess is a pretty big community

over there. Ever since I made like a

video a month ago on like a Tik Tok

story, I get sent a bunch of them now.

And there is some unhinged stuff. This

one involves a celebrity named Jenny

Men. She made an Instagram post that

stirred up a lot of controversy in the

community. The post was her on top of

her 12-year-old, like laying on top of

her 12-year-old and then like face to

face, like hugging on top of her

12-year-old, and she took these pictures

of of that with a caption that said,

"Your eldest son will be the most toxic

guy you ever date."

Which is a very peculiar caption. And

apparently it's not super unheard of on

the boy mom Tik Tok sphere. Apparently

it's even something of like a trend

where some boy moms there proudly talk

about how they treat their relationship

with their son like it's them dating

like that's they put it in that context

of like you know uh he's got a

girlfriend and you know she's never

going to take care of him the way I do.

I'm the best girlfriend my son will ever

get and he's so needy and demanding. and

he's such a toxic partner making me do

his laundry and stuff like I just think

that's kind of [ __ ] weird. Granted,

I'm clearly new to the Thunderdome here

of boy mom Tik Tok. I've only taken a

brief glimpse into the abyss when I was

informed of this situation that's been

developing there. Anyway, the Jenny

Mullen Instagram post, it was like

cycllospora hitting a colon. just a lot

of [ __ ] came out. And so it was a a

bunch of hoopla and she eventually

decided to go on a podcast to give her

stance on everything and defend herself.

Catastrophic decision. She set that [ __ ]

to Wumbbo with the weirdness. It made

everything 10 times worse. So I watched

it. I I want to yap about it a little

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Mullen, can someone please tell me what

the [ __ ] the name of that video is that

has the guy dancing in I think it's I

think it's a backyard to a DJ and he's

like the only guy dancing. So, the song

is like building up. It's reaching its

crescendo and the guy is doing an

awesome dance move where he's like this

and then he goes into this. Can someone

tell me what the name of that video is?

I've been trying to learn that move, but

I'm going off memory right now and I

can't find it. I was looking for it

earlier today and I just kept typing in

like superstar dances alone, you know,

guy in backyard dancing by himself while

DJ cheers him on. I can't find it. Does

anyone know what I'm talking about or

did I hallucinate it? I'm pretty sure

it's real. But yeah, if you if you know

what that video is, please let me know.

>> Because this is what I called you about

when you were trending. I didn't really

even know

>> all the drama about this

>> [ __ ] post. And I thought that what

you said on the phone to me hit so true

and hard and we talked about you writing

a piece about it. I was like, come on

the pod and and say this cuz I think

it's really important. So, let's talk

about how it all started. I really find

the current environment of things so

fascinating where if you share something

insightful with someone, the immediate

response is, "Wow, do you want to like

say that on a podcast? That was eye

opening stuff." Gee, Willickers, holy

canoli. Yeah. Like that that was

impactful for me. Which means I need you

on my podcast so I can get views out of

it. I don't know. It just seems so

weird. Like you can't have like genuine

conversations with people if it's not

content anymore. Like that's how it

feels. It's like always pushing like,

"Okay, that doesn't count until you say

it on the podcast. All right, let's go."

It's just It's just odd to me.

>> You posted a photo with your kid. Yes.

You're hugging in the bed. Yes. Call it

whatever you want. Hugging. Uh,

embracing, toppling, whatever the [ __ ]

>> Caption was, "Your oldest,

>> your eldest child will be the most toxic

guy you ever date,"

>> which is true. Okay, those were the

exact words, so people don't then twist

it or anything,

>> which if you have a son, you [ __ ]

know that.

>> Oh, jinkies. Okay, wow. Well, we got it

all twisted now that she says it out

loud, not just words on a page with the

full context here. It's still [ __ ]

odd. That is still such a weird thing to

be doing. Why Why would you talk about

your child that way? and she tries to

use it as like a a joke or or something

like that, but it's just still just so

offputting. Like imagine if a father

said that about their daughter. I don't

think anyone would be cheering that on.

I don't think there'd be anyone

enthusiastically supporting those kind

of statements on boy mom Tik Tok or

anything. I don't think Jenny Mullen

would either. If a father went out there

posting a picture of him on top of his

daughter saying that his eldest daughter

will be the most toxic girl he ever

dates. Like even just like just saying

that makes you immediately cringe. It's

just so troubling. It's just there's

just nothing okay about that.

>> Know you follow you.

>> Yeah.

>> It's like this is the joke I've been

making forever. Like I'm in this

dysfunctional relationship with like a

guy who's like, you know, can you hold

my head while I like vomit into the

toilet? Can you

>> wipe my butt? Can you give me a full

body massage before bed? Can can you,

you know, be a deer and put more ice in

my water bottle? Like this is the

>> Noah who grabbed my butt and said,

"There is a lot of fat on this butt."

And I said, "You're not wrong, Noah."

>> Yeah.

>> So yeah, another example, right?

>> Use and abuse me. I'm still like, is he

going to call?

>> Or stay with me here. This is going to

be a wild concept, so buckle your seat

belt. You could just call it what normal

people call it, being a parent. Like I

don't understand what the point of like

the quirkiness is about portraying it as

like a toxic boyfriend type dynamic

between you two. Like where you do all

these things for your partner and then

you know getting used and abused

which is another really weird thing to

say about your 12year-old son and then

will he still call me? Like it's just so

odd.

>> Like I was never that girl. I've never

been in that kind of relationship.

>> First of all, every I already think of

is he going to call in 20 30 years. I'm

not even is he going to call today? I'm

worried about him not calling.

>> No, I'm going to be banished to

voicemail for all of eternity and I'm

just going to be like I'm going to keep

psycho dialing. I'm going to be like

girl sending texts, are you mad at me?

>> Like I am going to be my worst

nightmare. And this is a joke.

>> See, that's a super legitimate concern

to have as a parent. like your children

growing up and then not wanting anything

to do with you, like not staying close,

not staying in contact or connected or

feeling like a strong family anymore.

That is a very real thing to be afraid

of.

But it also has nothing to do with you

talking about this in the context of

like a dating dynamic here. It'd be one

thing if she made a joke like, "My

12-year-old son needs me to do his

laundry, cut the crust off his

sandwiches, put ice cubes in his water

bottle. He's just like my ex-boyfriend

in that regard." Bazinga, like that's a

totally different thing. And that's not

like a a like a super odd or unusual

joke to make, but when you frame your

relationship with your kid as a like an

actual like dating thing, talking about

you're in a toxic relationship with your

12-year-old son. And it gets a lot worse

later when she says that he's the

predator. Another one of her jokes, but

a really [ __ ] weird thing to say

about your 12-year-old son, by the way.

Like when you keep saying this and keep

putting everything in this lens of you

dating your 12-year-old son, it stops

being a joke and it just gets really

concerning. And I don't know why she

can't wrestle with that.

>> So, what do you think made people take

this the wrong way? The caption or they

thought like the the the hug was I mean,

what what do you think set people?

>> I think they thought that maybe the hug

looked lascivious. I'm not sure. I don't

think they like the caption toxic. I

think toxic got in some sort of

algorithm search

>> and you're probably reading about like

being like abused and then you see this

woman like embracing her son and they're

just like

>> what the [ __ ] You know, they couldn't

handle it.

>> It threw them over the edge.

>> What? Pardon?

No.

H how? How? Like I feel as though the I

feel like I got hit with a mallet on my

head like out of Looney Tunes and I'm

seeing stars. What a confusing thing for

her to have said there. Also, it's a

really low thing to say by the way. So,

she's highlighting the word toxic that

maybe it got picked up in the algorithm.

So, people that are like uh searching

toxic or have been like abused see it

and then it's her embracing her son.

They can't handle that. So, they go what

the [ __ ] And sends him over the edge.

What a fascinating deplorable defense

there. No, that had like you you

couldn't be more off base. You are more

off base than when I used to [ __ ]

Zerg Rush in Starcraft 2. Like this is

so nowhere in the realm of reality for

what people have been talking about or

upset about. It's just a weird thing to

say. Like no matter how you spin it. I

also do think it's weird that parents

always try and make children their props

in their content. I've said this a lot

and that's not exclusive to Jenny Mullen

here. It's just always rubbed me the

wrong way. Parents that are so consumed

with making sure every stranger on the

internet knows that they have a happy

family and a real happy life. So

pictures like this, she she'll have her

12-year-old pose with her where they're,

you know, on top of the she's on top of

them on top of a bed and making sure to

get a lot of photos to put them on

Instagram. Look at how great all this

is. It's just like I just don't really

like the idea of children being in their

parents' content for their parents' ego

or anything like that. I I've never I've

never liked that, especially with like

family YouTube channels. I've talked

about that a lot over the years. But

what's specific to Jenny Mullins's case

here is her caption and the way she

speaks about it about it being the most

toxic guy she'll ever date.

Like come on. That's like you should be

able to see why that's weird.

>> You were getting people were saying they

want to call CPS on you

>> and my sister had the best response.

She's like, "Somebody should call CPS on

me for ordering my son Taco Bell for

dinner because that is like what are we

talking about?

>> What are we talking about?"

>> And by the way, if you knew my son, like

he's really the predator, not me. He's

the one who's [ __ ] all over me. I've

been like trying to like lock him out of

the bathroom for like the last 12 years.

>> No, the bathroom is crazy.

Even in like a whimsical context like a

podcast, you calling your 12-year-old

son the predator in this case.

Again, so [ __ ] peculiar

that like I I don't even really know how

to get into the weeds of that. Why would

you be talking about your child like

that, especially publicly on a podcast?

I like this is this is what myself and a

lot of other people have been saying.

The way that she keeps talking about

this like the relationship with her son,

it goes beyond a joke. It is just

concerning. And like I said earlier,

imagine if all of this was being said by

a man about his daughter. I really don't

think there'd be a single person piping

up to say how it's like clearly a joke

and not like concerning. Like there's

nothing to be alarmed about.

Like so the same should be true in this

case here. She keeps going on about it.

Like what she's trying to describe is

that being a parent there are a lot of

needs of the child that you have to take

care of. And so she and many others on

boy mom Tik Tok make this joke saying

it's similar to being in a toxic

relationship with a needy boyfriend. And

I don't know. I just think it's like an

odd thing to keep saying and like

drawing comparisons to like making a

joke one time is very different than

what Jenny Min is doing where she just

continues to dig her heels in here.

Constantly comparing the relationship

she has with her son to a relationship

that she'd have with a partner, saying

that her eldest son is the most toxic

guy she'll ever date. keeps reiterating

how true that is. It's such a toxic

relationship with this guy, her

12-year-old son. And actually, she's the

victim. He's the predator.

Again, these are really weird things to

be saying.

>> Played differently

>> when you were married

>> because Yeah. And I'm still married, but

like I'm publicly like with a man. And I

think that there's something about a

woman who is not attached to a man that

somehow

reads as a threat, dangerous, like she's

>> First of all, this is really important

what you're saying cuz stop and think

about it. Jenny has never gotten [ __ ]

about this subject. She's been making

the same joke for years.

>> Wrote for [ __ ] parents magazine a

standing column. Like I've been like a

voice on like motherhood in a lot of

ways. That's like what my platform was.

you've been making this kind of joke.

>> And that's what I'm saying. Like you you

keep saying it like again if it was like

a oneoff, you know, punchline type

thing, it'd be very different than you

constantly reiterating for I don't even

know how long now about your son being

your toxic partner that you're dating.

It's just like that's like I don't know

why it doesn't make your case stronger.

That makes it worse, Jenny. The fact

that you keep making this comparison,

this joke, and have been for a long

time.

I And I really don't know how that's not

landing for her. Like, why she can't see

that?

>> Like I told you, I was like, this is

it's already there. Like, it's in the

>> And listen, I read your stuff and like

you said in one of the things which they

were getting pissed about, there was a

line that was like, "His girlfriend

isn't even hotter than me about your

son.

Like

>> it's just hilarious. It's just funny,

>> by the way. And then it's like she's

comparing and I'm like, wait, do these

people watch stand up? Like do these

people go to comedy shows and then every

joke a comic is making they're like

>> she was you were making a joke.

>> [ __ ] joke.

>> Oh yeah, she's alting now. Do you guys

like go to comedy shows and get mad when

they make jokes? Sorry your feelings

were hurt. Sorry, not sorry about that.

It was a joke. Yeah, you can make jokes,

but people can also say, "Boo, stinky,

not good joke." And also, weird one to

be making for so long about your

12-year-old son. Now, I think there's

something extremely important in there

that we got to dive into the minutia of

that they briefly touched on about her

talking about her 12-year-old son's

girlfriend and comparing herself to her

12-year-old son's girlfriend. It's

buried in this bit here where she talks

about how she wants her sons to marry

women with dead mothers so she can stay

winning by comparison and that having

boys is a mind [ __ ] builds you up only

to tear you apart and then mentions that

her husband Jason her mother like fell

apart when they got married and she

couldn't understand why but now that

she's a boy mom she gets it. So then she

says several months ago my eldest was

texting with a girl. She was 12 but I

could already tell my brand of toxic.

She was bossing him around and using big

words and he was utterly spun. I

complained to Jason that I wanted to

intervene before he got hurt and that

she wasn't even hotter than me. But the

abandonment we eventually endure as boy

moms is uniquely cruel because it begins

as worship. They arrive obsessed,

dependent, adoring. They think we're

magic. We think we are magic.

That's not exactly like a gutbusting

piece right there, Jenny. You're now

insulting your son's girlfriend, who is

12 years old, mind you, and comparing

yourself to her.

And that's what they were touching on

briefly there because I guess that was

something she got in a little hot water

for. It's a weird thing to do. Like that

that feels like it goes beyond just

making a comparison to like you taking

care of your son to being in a toxic

relationship. that now feels like you

are directly intervening in your son's

life to try and steer his decisions to

be with you and only you. It's insanity

to be saying that she's not even as hot

as me when talking about your

12-year-old son's girlfriend. Anyway,

I'll stop blabbering about it. Again,

it's not just her making one off-hand

comment that was out of context and

misrepresented.

According to her friend here on the

podcast, she's been doing this for

years, making this joke about being in a

toxic relationship with her son and

treating it as such. And this right here

about like her son's crush and how like

it seems like she's jealous almost and

like directly trying to like get in the

way of it, comparing herself to the

12year-old that her son is crushing on

about why she's actually so much better

than her. It's just all of this together

is why it's become a more large story in

the boy mom Tik Tok community because it

does feel like it goes beyond jokes. It

is just concerning. Like it is it is a

very weird thing to keep saying and keep

I I I guess standing behind doubling

down on over and over and over again and

only making it worse and worse and worse

with the cherry on top being literally

stepping in with your son's crush and

comparing yourself to a 12year-old about

why you're so much better. It's weird.

Anyway, I'll stop yapping about it.

That's it. See you.