Segundo Debate entre el Padre Luis Toro y Eduardo Gutiérrez TEMA: El Primado de Pedro 17/08/2019

From the church here, to guide the

Holy Spirit who transforms.

Welcome to all of you,

parishioners, visitors from other

parishes within our diocese, from

other states, from other central regions of

our country, here in the Southeast. A

special welcome to all of you, and a warm welcome

to our separated brethren,

where you have a sincere life. A special welcome to

you. Thank you for being here. We are

blessed by your presence among

us, and Father,

because of you. Thank you for your dedication,

thank you for your faith, thank you for explaining

our Catholic faith.

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But be a little [

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We are very grateful to Father Luis

Toro. We are grateful because he is

teaching, I don't know, about our faith.

Let's begin. We are placing ourselves in

the presence of God

in the name of the Father, the Son, and the

Holy Spirit. Amen.

Father,

we are grateful for your presence.

Send your Holy Spirit upon us. Come, Holy Spirit, see,

fill our hearts,

see, Holy Spirit, and fill this

temple with your presence. We

need your presence, we

need your presence, the presence

of the Holy Spirit, and stay with

us.

Be with us here

in our parish, in our lives,

in our families. Be with

us, Holy Spirit,

now as brothers and sisters of Christ. Children and

God our Father, let's pray together.

Our Father, who art in heaven,

hallowed be thy name;

thy kingdom come; thy will be done on

earth as heaven gives; give us this day our

daily bread.

Forgive us our trespasses, as

we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us

not into temptation,

but deliver us from evil. Amen. In the name of the

Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Thank you, Father.

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These don't want spotlights. Fingers on one

side and this other side.

Well, and I have

good afternoon,

and these have parents. It

gives immense joy to be able to

share with you, dear

brothers and sisters, the word of the Lord. Beloved, a

little more for the rag so I can see what you

are here.

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You sit there, but I can

make myself, I can win here. It's going to rain.

Those who fall asleep, I

can see them.

Now, everyone, welcome to this sharing of the

word of God, Catholics and non-Catholics,

known through social media.

Also, the immense joy of the presence

of each one of you. Say with me,

Holy and Divine Spirit,

destroy in me

all spiritual laziness.

To indifference,

all doubt,

all fear,

fill me completely

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with thrones of your wisdom, your

peace,

your presence, your love,

your joy. To you,

divine Spirit,

God desires and always accompanies us.

Before, there was glory,

honor, power, and

adoration forever and ever.

Amen. And we begin this teaching in the

name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Now,

I would like to know if there is any brother or sister who does

not belong to the Catholic Church but

who honors us today with their presence, please

raise your hand so we can welcome you.

If there is any brother or sister

who belongs to another religion and who

honors us with their presence, please raise your

hand so we can welcome you. We are not

going to punish you; we are simply

going to welcome one of you.

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Well, if there is another one over there, two more,

well, I can't see you all, but we

know you are here.

Know that here in the Catholic Church, we

open the doors of our hearts,

of our being, and that you are

our brothers and sisters. You have

separated yourselves, you have

separated yourselves, you have separated yourselves because of

doctrine, but we believe in God.

Goodbye, and we want to do things as

God commands, and this enriches us because

By being here, you

help us with your questions and

concerns, as they help us

strengthen our faith.

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If anyone wishes to share,

debate with me, or

ask me a question, I am very willing to

answer with love and affection so that

you too have the opportunity to

participate.

I want you, dear brothers and sisters, to love one another from the

heart, as the Lord commands,

as the Lord

teaches us that we are all children of God. From

heart to heart, let's give these

brothers and sisters a big round of applause as a sign that we

receive them out of love.

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70. As if at home,

if anyone wants to debate, they

can come here now. You

can invite them to

debate. If they don't want to debate but want to ask

questions, then they can do so in the

second segment after the break. We

will give you the opportunity to ask questions,

but if anyone wants to debate, we will

give them the opportunity from the beginning to

start debating. And if not, then

questions and answers. So after

the break, if you don't want to ask questions, there's no

problem. You can stay

there and listen, or you can have

someone else ask. But what is certain is that

we are happy for your presence. Half of

us, is there anyone who wants to debate?

Want to debate it? I

believe you, come on.

[Applause] Go

ahead, Gustavo, welcome

again.

I'm glad you're here

because we can share the word of the

Lord. You know him, right? Present to

lose, only present. Well,

God bless you all. My

name is Eduardo Gutierrez, sorry. And

well, I'm here to share the

word of God.

Eduardo Gutierrez,

I'm glad you're here

because it's

easy to argue with someone on television, on the internet, and

grab arguments and try,

but let's see how the bull, cinema,

stories, and face to face,

because

the story of the bull there from the

outside, from the outside,

I want, Eduardo Gutierrez, for the

world to understand once and for all, that

simple, because today it

will be clear. Have you

heard Eduardo Gutierrez, those who

follow him, have you heard him say that I

am a liar, that I am a fake, that I

deceive people, that I lie with

the Bible?

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And you have seen that I haven't

responded to him at all, nor have you I will answer because I

like things this way, face to face,

and today one of us will be exposed as a

liar before the world. If it's me,

you'll see,

but if it's him, you'll see.

But enough of Eduardo Gutiérrez playing games

with me on social media.

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And enough of him hiding behind

my name. Connect the

screw reader because, look, you're a cunning one,

Donostia, cunning.

But well, today the world,

your followers and my followers

will see who has the truth because that's what it's about. I

'm going to tell you the truth with love, in a good

way and with love. Yes, Eduardo, I'm

going to tell you the truth, and that's why

I'm glad you're here because I'm

going to tell you from the heart,

not just in a friendly way with anyone, from the heart.

And I simply want to

tell you that I feel very happy,

very pleased that you're here because

the moment of truth has arrived, the moment of

truth has arrived, and you have said that you are going to come and

that you are going to show that the primacy of Peter It's

a lie from the church, and you're going to

prove it.

Look, Eduardo Gutiérrez, I'm

going to give you the opportunity—the

opportunity of a lifetime—to

convince those who are here, and those who

follow us through

social media, that you have the truth. But

prove it to me with the Bible, Eduardo

Gutiérrez. With the Bible, you're going to

show me, with the Bible, that the Bible

says that Christ did not leave Peter as the

authority in the church.

And if you don't, the world is

witness that I warned you, Eduardo

Gutiérrez. The world,

the world is witness, Eduardo Gutiérrez,

that I warned you. If you don't do it

today, you're going to be seen as a liar by the world.

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And if you don't want to be seen as a liar,

get your act together because you're not going to play games

with me. This is serious

because this has to do with me. I have

a face like a thug, but it's well managed,

Eduardo Gutiérrez, and you're playing games with me like that

because of that, but here we're going to

play seriously today, like real men. That's what

the Mexican man said, macho man,

even to the point of losing skin, with love. That's

the beauty of it, the beauty of it, with

love, because we are Christians. We do

n't come here to fight in other people's

gloves. I didn't bring gloves; we came here

to share with the word of God.

He thinks one thing, and I think another. He

has one doctrine; I have another. Now,

the moment of truth. If

he has the truth, let him bring it out, block it.

But if I have the truth, today I'm going to

prove everything he's said

about the primacy of Peter. Because that's what

you said, that you talk to me, and I already

know what I'm going to say. Today

you're going to tear down my arguments.

Hello, let's debate, the two of us. I say that

Christ gave the primacy to Peter, he gave

Peter authority over the church, and I

have chapters and verses, and today you're going to

read them yourself from the Reina

Valera Bible

because we're not going to use readers today. You're not going to

use readers today. You can

rest. You Barba

Gutierrez, you're worth it. Calm down, calm down, calm down. No,

sir, no, sir, I don't

know, no, sir. Here today I'm

going to apply it because it's only going to be

for him, because last time Look at

the video, you were glued to the

computer, and I was talking and talking

and you were talking. You're going to read about

your life, and while I was talking,

you were watching, and on Google they were telling you what you

have,

but he approves. I refer you to Garré in the

video, and watch it to see if it's true or

false. So, what

Eduardo Gutierrez has, Eduardo Buzzi

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Eduardo,

I know that this is what he has on the internet,

and if he doesn't have internet, then when you

talk here, nobody hears you on the

internet, Jimenez, the internet site,

so we talk on Skype.

Come here, this microphone, better

raise it,

Eduardo, because I don't just want

the world to see it, I want Eduardo

Gutierrez to see it, because I don't

care about the world, I don't want

Eduardo Gutierrez to see it, and I would do it

because you

can, Eduardo Gutierrez,

so if you're not going to read, you

forgive me, but I'm going to debate with you. You're going to

read because otherwise I won't debate. With

you because I didn't like the lack of

respect last time, when I was

speaking, you were too, no

problem, you've also given that, no

problem at all, so

let's just see things,

Bard Gutierrez, as they are,

and hopefully you will see clearly.

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Eduardo Gutierrez, jump more clearly, we're not

going to talk about another topic, we're going to talk about only one

topic, we're going to talk about the topic of the

primacy of Peter. You simply

tell me which quote I'm going to read to you,

just come, let's leave what

you say to people, hidden from me alone,

since it's a lie that the primacy of

Peter, that's a lie,

prove it to me with the Bible, pass me the

Bible,

I'll read you the quotes.

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How do

you want it?

Well, I do

n't feel calm,

but one condition,

Eduardo, that people know, I want

you to show me, he has hair,

and I want you to show me, you're not going to

talk to me about anything else, you're going to

tell me that it's a lie that Peter is the

primate, that Christ gave primacy to

Peter, that is to say Christ gave him the

authority. Primacy means first

in the church. Authority in the church—

you're going to prove that to me with the Bible,

and then I'm going to prove to you that

Peter does have authority, period. When

we get to that, the whole world will see

who has the truth and who is

lying. Go ahead, but don't go away.

Before I do, I want to ask a question.

I'm going to start by explaining, then you

explain, then I have the right to reply,

right?

This pony explains, and I'll ask, and if you

want, we can simply debate. You

ask me, I answer you. I

ask you, you answer me. That's how we're going to

debate. We're not going to do what

you used to do. Here, the debate is like this,

face to face. First, we

start like this, okay? I ask the good question,

you answer, then

I have the right to reply to what

you answer, right? What

you ask me, I

answer. Yes, you have the right to

reply. Yes, we're going to, but you

give me time to answer, and I give you

time to answer. And people are watching,

exactly how many times one is going to answer? What we're

going to count, math. If I

ask now,

and you... You're going to respond. You have a

time to respond, then I have a

time to reply. If you

reply again, you have two turns, and

then one. So, for example,

you're simply going to say, "This is as simple as that."

Let's go, I understand. What you

want is for that first point, and

then we start the questions.

Okay, you put the primacy. They tell you, "

Peter isn't Peter, he doesn't have authority," and I

can prove to you that Peter doesn't have

authority. It's right here in the Bible. Don't

go off on another topic, don't stray from

the Bible. Let's go with the Bible. It's right here in the Bible.

If you stray from the

Bible and start going around in circles, saying things like, "

Petro himself said this," or "

Petronilo said that," or if you start

going around in circles and bring up another topic,

people are simply going to realize

that you're avoiding the

issue and don't want to do anything.

And then, well, Eduardo, I simply wouldn't

get up with this. I simply

want you to speak to me using the Bible.

Where are you, Eduardo? We've already started, but you're not

paying attention. I'm just talking

about that. He's

learning

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paying attention, that's why I

told him I won't debate with you if you don't read. You're going to

talk to me with the Bible and

prove to me with the Bible that it's a lie

that Peter has authority within

the church. If you manage to expose that, I'll be exposed

as a liar,

but if I demonstrate to you with the Bible

that Peter does have authority, you

should be seen today before the world as the

biggest liar, taking advantage

of Father Toro's work to

grab videos of Thor's father and

refute him when he's alone. Enjoy it like this,

face to face.

And well, you begin. I want to tell you

that I have nothing against

Father Luis Toro because many people

think that I harass him, as he says, that he

uses his videos. He's simply the one who

speaks out against us the most. If

any of you spoke out more than he did, he would

n't have made videos about you. And don't you see, the

important thing isn't the person who speaks,

but what is said. So I want to

make that clear.

Let's begin

well.

Glory to God.

Well, first of all, I want to make it clear

that I come here today from no I'm not here to

deny or reject the idea that Peter, the

apostle Peter, had leadership in the

early years of the church. What I'm here to do

today is refute the false

doctrine of the primacy of Peter because

let me tell you something: leadership and primacy are

not the same thing.

Every single

passage that Luis Toro is going to present

to you today as proof of primacy

will only be proof of leadership. It might

seem the same to you, but it's not. I'm

going to show you, I'm going to

show you well. First, the

Catholic Catechism, number 881, which you

can look up, clearly says, "Speak to me, speak to me

with the Bible."

Eduardo, the catechism isn't right.

Catechism, Catholic doctrine, for example,

the catechism, 424, "Speak to me with the

Bible."

Well, you see, he doesn't want me to

use the catechism, why is that? But let's

give

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that if you don't speak to me, speak to the

Bible, no, and we're going to debate here. We're going to

talk with the Bible, Eduardo Gutiérrez. Okay, let's go. Okay,

first of all, let's see that before

Matthew chapter 16 verse 18, Peter already

had a leadership role among the

apostles. For example, if we go to Matthew

chapter 15 verse 15, and Luis Toro can read it there,

Matthew chapter 15 verse 15, we're going to see

Peter speaking on behalf of the

other apostles. Now, it's important to

understand that the four main

apostles were fishermen: Peter, Andrew,

James, and John his brother. And Peter was the

leader of the fishermen. Therefore,

Peter had the makings of a leader, and there's no

doubt that in the early years of the

church, he was a leader

of the apostles. But that doesn't mean

primacy.

We have to understand that primacy,

first of all, is for life; it lasts a

lifetime. When Pope Francis was elected,

Pope Francis is Pope from birth

until death. He's not Pope for just ten

years, he's not Pope for just fifteen years. You'll

see today, you'll notice today that in all

the Verses that Louis Toro will present to

prove the primacy of Peter, but not a single one will

go beyond Acts chapter 15.

Every time he presents it, it

will be Acts chapter 1, Acts

chapter 2, but it will never, ever, ever go beyond

Acts chapter 15.

It is important that you keep this in

mind because otherwise, the four that

are

in the verses that are there, then he has to

demonstrate today that the primacy of Peter

lasts a lifetime and not just a few

years.

Now we heard him say in a video,

we heard him say in a video that

Jesus was the head of the corner and Peter

was the stone that was under, the

foundation stone. Let's let him read

Peter chapter 2. I'm going to sit down.

No,

but chapter 2,

but according to others,

if not, first, no,

the other love,

no, no,

also

in the line that we have passionately

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this Pope lantern,

1 Peter 26 to the kingdoms, I will gladly

read it to you

because it is written, after, it is in the

scripture, behold, he laid in Zion a

chosen and precious cornerstone, and whoever

believes in him will not be put to shame

For you believers, the honor is due you,

but for unbelievers, the stone

the builders rejected as the

cornerstone has become a

stumbling block and a rock of offense.

They stumble over it because they do not believe in the

word. This is what they were destined for.

Okay, history says in your videos, and you

can look this up in your videos,

that Peter is the stone that is below, that is,

the stone on which

the church is founded, meaning the

church, and Jesus Christ is only the

head of the corner. But this is

completely false. Let's see in the

scripture, glory to God, which

clearly says in verse 6, "The cornerstone,

chosen and precious, is the chief cornerstone."

He wants you to believe that

the cornerstone is the head of the

corner, but it's not like that.

What is the cornerstone?

The cornerstone, the cornerstone, and we

can see that in Isaiah chapter 28,

verses 16 and 17.

If someone can read it for me,

the first one, the cornerstone, is the

first stone that is laid on the

foundation.

He wants to say, Isaiah 28:16-17, that it is That's why

the Lord says, "Behold,

I lay in Zion

a precious and chosen cornerstone, a

foundation stone that will not

waver.

I will set equity as the measuring line and

righteousness as the leveling line; I will make the hail a barrier,

the refuge of lies, and the waters will

overwhelm the hiding place." Okay, glory to God.

Let's see what the cornerstone is.

The cornerstone is the stone

that is placed in the northwest corner of the

building. When a building was going to be constructed,

a stable foundation was sought. And now

we are going to talk about what the foundation of

the church is. I have sought a stable foundation,

and on that foundation, this time

a first stone was laid. The first stone was

the cornerstone, the cornerstone

that went in the northwest corner. Now,

because Isaiah says, "The kingdom of Valencia will be

more beautiful," because Isaiah says, "I will set a measuring

line and a level," because that cornerstone

was the one that was used to throw a measuring line.

The cornerstone was laid, and then

a measuring line was thrown down to the

corner. From there, a measuring line was thrown to

this corner, to the other, and so on until I return

to the cornerstone. The cornerstone, the

wing that g He guided and leveled the entire

building that was being constructed.

In verse number 7,

he says that Jesus is the

cornerstone, but the cornerstone is not

the first stone. The cornerstone

is the last stone, often placed

in the dome of buildings, and it goes to

that cornerstone. Let's see what it

says in verse 8: "a stone that causes people to stumble and a

rock that makes them fall." I would like

him to explain to you when he comes

how it's possible for us to

stumble over a rock that's up there. He won't be

able to

do that.

He won't be able to do what he wants to

tell you: the invention that Peter is the

stone that was in Jesus Christ is the

stone that was there, and that's completely

false, and he won't be able to prove it with

Scripture. The Bible says very clearly

in verse number 6 that Jesus is the

cornerstone, the first stone that

is placed on the foundation. In verse

number 7, it says that Jesus is the last

stone, the cornerstone, as

he says, that only he is. But he's

eating what Jesus Christ

is also the cornerstone of. Now, not

only that, but He's also the

foundation, and He's the rock that makes things fall.

Let's understand that the rock has to

exist for the building because they have to

exist because of the rocks where

the first stone is laid. The sound

of the cap

and we apologize to the brothers who

follow us through

social media, but if it wasn't the internet, and

that often happens, what are we going to do? But

we're going to continue.

Brother Gutiérrez

continues

speaking about the idea he was

developing.

If you don't know where it cut off, because I'm going to do it

with my... I don't have enough for so

many... no,

that

internet cuts out... no, when we schedule so much

or when we stop... so let's do...

glory to God, good.

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We were in 1 Peter chapter 2

verses 6 to 8. I was

explaining to you that Victor, in his videos and

in the debates he has had on the

subject, has tried to explain that Peter is

the first stone, that is, the one on which

the church is built, and Jesus is the head

of the corner, that is, the last stone that... He

puts it there because he's trying to make it seem like they

're both stones, that is, that Peter

is a stone and that Jesus Christ is a stone.

Now we all know that we are all

stones, but he's talking about

essential stones, right? Now the word of the

Lord says, in the first place, Peter chapter

2, verses 6 through 8, which also

contains the scripture: "And here I lay in Zion

the chief corner stone, found

and precious." And as we already saw in

Isaiah 28, verses 6 and 7,

the first stone that was laid on

the foundation was the corner stone; that

was the first stone of the foundation. That's why

in Ephesians 2:20, "built on

the foundation of the apostles and

prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief

corner stone of 100," and that

foundation, the first stone that is laid,

is Jesus Christ himself. So Jesus Christ

isn't just up there as he

wants to make it seem. Who's going to have to

explain that? In verse 7, it

says what he says: Jesus Christ

is also the chief corner stone, the

last stone that is laid. We can

see that. In Psalm 118, verse 22, it says that

Jesus Christ is the cornerstone. Now,

in verse 8, it clearly states that Jesus Christ

is not only the first stone laid,

the cornerstone, nor is he only the

cornerstone, the last stone

laid. He is also the foundation upon

which that building is constructed. For

example, it says "stone of stumbling and rock

of falling." You can't stumble over

a stone that's above you, unless

Louis thinks we fly or

something, because otherwise we can't

stumble over a stone up there.

We have to stumble

over a stone that's down here.

Now, what was that stone? It was the foundation stone.

In Isaiah 28, verse 17, it says

that the cornerstone is a

stable foundation. That is to say, that stone is on

a foundation that is stable. Let's

understand the growth of a

building: it has to exist within the

building; it can't be

of itself. We see this again in Luke,

chapter

648. Let's look at verse

48; if you can read it for me.

Luke 6:48 says, "

Like a man building

a house, he dug deep and laid the

foundation on rock. When

a flood came, the

torrent broke through the ground and crashed against the house,

but it could not destroy it because it was

well built. It needs

energy. Glory to God."

Luke 6:48 says, "The man who was going to build

his house dug

deep and looked for the foundation, and the foundation

is the rock that pre-exists the

building." Jesus Christ was saying, "

The rocks on which the church is built

in Matthew 16:18 are a rock that

pre-exists." And why does it have to exist?

Let's go to the price.

Let's go to sport. It has to persist.

Ephesians 2:20 says, "built on the

foundation of the apostles and prophets."

Here comes something that needs to be looked at with a

magnifying glass, I don't know, with a magnifying glass,

but like a talker, glory to God. It says, "Calm down, calm down, glory to God, calm down."

And it says that we are

built on whom? On apostles,

but not only apostles, on prophets.

The prophets cannot be built

on Peter because... The prophets

pre-existed Peter chronologically. The

prophets were on earth before

Peter. The prophets are the men

of the Old Testament.

The prophets could not build that

foundation; it could not be placed on a

Petrine rock, that is, on the apostle

Peter. They couldn't because they preceded

Peter. They had to be on a

rock that pre-existed. Now, if you could hear me

read 1 Corinthians 10:4,

and they all drank the same

spiritual drink, they had to be from the

spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was

Christ.

The Bible is speaking of the Old Testament, and they all drank the same

spiritual drink because they had to be from the

spiritual rock that followed them. It

was written on the rocks, that is, the rock on

which the church is built pre-

exists the apostles; it comes before the

Old Testament. We can

also see Deuteronomy 32:4, where it says

that God is the rock. The rock pre-exists. The

rock is not something that occurs for the first

time in the New Testament when Peter

calls Simon Peter as one of his

apostles. The rock pre-exists; he cannot

explain with The Bible, like the prophets,

can be built upon it, but I wo

n't be able to prove it. He won't be able to

prove today that Peter is the rock

below and only Jesus Christ is

the rock above,

because the first of Peter, verse 2, verse 68, is

refuting that. It's saying that

Jesus isn't just the rock above;

Jesus is also the first stone

laid, the cornerstone. Jesus

is also the rock below, that is, the

foundation, because it has to exist. It has to

exist. When you go to

Jerusalem and ask a Jew

where Solomon's Temple was built, they'll

tell you, on the Mount of the

Foundation Rock, or on the cornerstone.

What is the cornerstone for an

Israelite? The rock where Abraham was going to offer

Isaac as a sacrifice. That is,

figuratively, from the Old

Testament, God was saying on

what He would build His temple.

The temple was a figure of the church,

and the temple was built on the

cornerstone. In the temple, and on the

Temple Mount, is the Mount of the

Cornerstone where Abraham went to

sacrifice. Isaac asked, "

Who is this figure of Christ?" That's why I

told him, "You are the Messiah, you

are Isaac, you

are the Savior, but not only that, you

pre-exist, you are the Son of the

living God." And he says, "On this

pre-existing rock I will build my church."

Matthew 16:18 explains very clearly how

Jesus can be the first stone

laid, but he can also be the

foundation rock because that rock pre-exists,

because Jesus was man, but he was also

God, forever and ever. Amen.

Glory to God. Now, this is an interesting

question that I ask the bulls to

answer when he comes, right?

And this is a long topic; I don't know how long

we'll be discussing it. It's a long topic.

He says

that Jesus is the cornerstone and that

Peter is the first stone, that is, the

rock on which the church is built.

How is it possible that Jesus

stands on Peter?

Because he's trying to say that

Jesus Christ was built on Peter,

because yes, but he is the first stone, and

Jesus Christ is the last stone.

Jesus Christ is... Based on Peter,

but Peter himself is saying in the

First Gospel of Peter, from verses 6 to 8, no, no, no,

Luis, no,

Jesus Christ is the first stone,

Jesus Christ is the last stone, and

Jesus Christ is the pre-existing rock. To

explain that Jesus himself

in Luke 648 teaches us how to build, it was necessary to excavate

and find a rock,

something that was already there, to be able to

build.

You can't start building on

ground that doesn't have a foundation.

For Jesus to build the church, there had to be

ground that had a

foundation, and what was the foundation? His

divinity,

His pre-existence.

Louis knows very well that "church"

means congregation, assembly of the

saints, and the church doesn't just gather them in

the New Testament.

The men of the Old Testament, a

large part of the church, in the passage of

the Transfiguration, Moses and Elijah, bear

witness to this. In

six days they come to see Jesus

because Jesus was also their savior. How

could the men of the Old Testament be built on Peter? You can't, you can't.

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Now

we're going to truly understand that according to

the Catholic Church, Peter is the Bishop

of Rome, and according to Catholic tradition,

but keeping his life in another city,

Peter begins his primacy in the year 43,

more or less his first bishopric in

Rome, which he goes to Rome around the year 43.

Let's look at the Bible. Now,

the book of

church history, the Book of Acts, is never written. It's

written by Luke, not between

the years 75 and

80. Peter, according to this, was a man from the year

43. Peter died in the year 64, so he would

never have known not only

that Peter never saw the succession of the branches,

but also that he would have known

at least one or two successors of Peter.

But Luke never mentions Rome in the Book of

Acts as an

important city within Christianity. Now,

starting from Acts chapter 15, we're going to

see that he runs out of arguments.

Everything he's going to say today

can be when he comes. Remember,

when he comes,

remember from those 15, if he doesn't He's

going to do absolutely nothing. The book of Acts

has 28

chapters. The only thing he'll be able to

prove today is that Peter had a

leadership, which I support, in the

early years of the church. But in

four years, the whole church grew and

strengthened, and Peter's leadership

disappears from the Bible.

And as I said, I refer to the evidence. Show me

proof when you come after

those 15 years in the Acts of the Apostles, about

Peter liberating the church. He won't be

able to do it.

Now, if he tells me

that the first part was never written,

referring to the second part,

referring to Paul, that's not true

because in the first part, Luke also

talks about Paul,

and Luke talks about other

important men of the church. He talks about how he

supported Gasol and Philip the Evangelist. He

talks about important men of the

church, but Luke never mentioned a

successor of Peter in the book of

Acts. It's as if

he wrote the book of Acts in the year 80

when at

least two successors of Peter had already come and gone.

But he won't be able to provide proof of Peter's

primacy in the Bible. It's a shame he didn't let me.

Read the catechism, right?

But you know that the primacy is

transferred to the Bishop of Rome—

so if a primacy existed in the

Bible, the Bible would have to provide evidence

that this primacy had to be

transferred or was transferred.

As I clearly stated, Acts was written

in the year 75-80. Luke had more than

enough time to have known at least

two successors of Peter, but Luke

said nothing about it,

absolutely nothing.

Now let's understand that three

evangelists

referred to the passage of Peter's confession:

Matthew, the one we

are reading,

Luke, and Mark. All three

agree. This is an argument that cannot be

refuted. All three

agree in referring to the words that

Peter said to Jesus. We already know what he said,

right? Matthew says verse 16.

Now let's read—or rather, our

good friend

Luis Toro is reading for us—

Mark 8:27-30. Let's see that

all three agree in

mentioning what... Peter said to Jesus, "

You are the Christ, the Son of God." (

Mark 8:27-30)

Jesus and his disciples went on to the

towns around Caesarea Philippi. On the

way he asked them, "

Who among men says that

I am?"

Some said John the

Baptist, others Elijah, and still others that one

of the prophets had risen. "But what about you?" he asked. "

Who do you say I am?" Peter

answered, "You are the Christ." Then he warned them not to

tell anyone

about him.

Mark doesn't mention

anything about Peter supposedly

being the rock; that is, Mark doesn't mention what

Jesus said to Peter.

Let's see if he ever has any luck with Luke. (

Luke 9:18-21)

Once, while he was praying alone with

his disciples, he asked him, "

Who do people say that I am?"

Some said John the Baptist,

others Elijah, and still others that one of the prophets of

old has risen. "But what about you?" he asked. "

Who do you say

I am?" Peter answered, "

The Christ." of God,

but he generically commanded them not to

tell this to anyone. He

wasn't lucky with Luke either. Thirteen

evangelists refer to the passage of

Peter's confession. All three

agree in letting us know one thing: "

You are the Christ, the Son of the

living God." But only one of the

three,

Matthew,

wanted us to recount what Jesus

had said to Peter. This is

clear proof that for the early church, that is,

for the biblical writers, the

greatest thing that had happened here in

this passage was not whether Peter was or wasn't Peter,

which we already saw he wasn't,

but that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the

living God. Because it is on that confession

that all Christians enter the

kingdom of God. Everyone here who

considers themselves a Christian considers themselves a

Christian because Jesus is the

Christ, the Son of the living God. No one

here in this room,

nor anyone watching us, considers themselves a Christian for any other reason

than because Jesus is the Christ, the Son

of the living God.

Let's understand

that thirteen evangelists agree

on one thing, but They only mention one, do

the math and examine it closely.

What's

important about this passage is that Jesus

is the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Now, when he comes, he's going to try to

change the narrative, of course,

but he didn't have any luck with Mark,

nor with Luke. He's left with only

Matthew or me. There are three evangelists,

three evangelists who support my position

because Matthew also includes that Jesus

is the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

Only one evangelist supports his theory.

Let's understand that Paul doesn't recognize

a primacy in the church. If we read 1

Corinthians chapter 1 verse 11 and 12,

I read it and it says, "Why are you still being informed

about you, my brothers, by

Chloe's people? There is strife among you." This

means that each of

you says, "I am of Paul," and "I am of

support." Regarding that flaw in Christ,

the Corinthians had problems

knowing who the leader of the church was.

Paul in no way said, "How can

you compare me to the Father?" or "

How dare you compare Paul to the

primacy of the church?" No,

when we read "Praise be to the

Lord," we clearly see

that Paul only gives glory

to Jesus Christ. When we read in

chapter 3, "When this dispute is over,"

verse

22 onward, Paul relies on and affirms that, that is, whether

the world, whether

life or death, whether the present or the future, is

from you, and

you from Christ, and Christ from God.

Let's suppose that now here in this

church there is a discussion about who is the

leader of the Catholic Church. Some say it is

Pope Francis, others say it is

Benedict XVI, and others say it is

Father Luis Toro. What would he

answer to the Toro group? Would Luis

Toro say something like, "

First of all, Jesus Christ is first,

but after Christ, Pope Francis?"

Or was that not Paul's answer? So

I advise you to take a

time machine and give

Paul some lectures. Paul hadn't

realized that there was a primacy. He hadn't realized

that there was a

primacy. So where is the primacy

of Peter

now, for Paul to have... Ephesians 2:20 says there is

no foundation of one man.

Let's go to the excess of 2:20,

glory to God. Let's go to the price of 2:20

and 21. Verse 21 is important; many times

hardly anyone reads it, but there is the key to everything. There is

the key to everything. Let's see, in

science the church is built, because the

Bible does say who the

church is built on. Verse 20 says, "built

on the foundation of the apostles and

prophets, with

Jesus Christ himself as the chief corner stone." He is the stone that

goes in the northwest corner, not the head

of the corner. The angle he means is that

Jesus Christ is the only one in the

church. Now, verse 21 is more important. It does

n't say "in whom," not "in whom." How much will

a Bible bring? He raises his hand, "

Glory to God," quite a lot. Well, in the

first debate with him, very few had it. He

brought it, but now, yes, glory to God. You will be

able to read that it doesn't say "in

whom," "in Peter" doesn't mean "in whom." The

whole building, well coordinated, grows. In

whom does the building grow? That

is

the Bible. They don't say who it is now, or with

these payments, not even the foundation of

one man. Paul, from the foundation of

everything that is the Old

Testament, not only the apostles but also

the prophets like himself, in order to build

the prophets upon Peter. If the prophets

came before Peter, he won't be able to

do it. The only thing he's

going to do today is

show Peter preaching and

converting many people. That's all he's

going to do today, I hope, making

great decisions because Peter was an

undisputed leader, but he didn't have

primacy;

nothing was built upon him. And verse 21

says, "Do not be impatient,"

where it says who someone is. It has

a translation that comes from "in whom," I

believe, not "in whom," but "in one alone." The

whole building, well

coordinated,

grows to make a holy temple

in the Lord. Now he can say that

this is "in whom" is the foundation, but

I understand it's "in whom," so that

when he comes, they don't do what. "

In whom" is a person, and it's not "in

whom," but "in one alone." So now he's going to have to

say that the church

means "on one man." He's going to have to

choose if it's Jesus Christ, that is,

Peter, but the Bible says in verse

21, who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, how much

glory be to the Almighty! And if we haven't

seen that Jesus Christ exists now, the

important question is: does Peter support

Christ? No, but is he part of the body of

Christ

according to Reflection 1:21 onward,

because the church is the body of Christ. Is

n't Peter part of the church? The

church cannot be above Peter

because Peter is within it, unless

he thinks that Peter is not like

Matthew 16:18 says something important and says

the word is above

that rock or below it,

but it cannot be that rock, number 1. But

to make that rock, it has to exist

so that the prophets can be

built upon it. He won't be able to

explain that,

number 2, but you have to persist

because... Luke 6:48 clearly states that

to build a firm house, one must

seek a stable foundation, according to what

Isaiah 28:17 says: "the cornerstone

of a firm foundation." Because Jesus Christ, the

man, was not only man, He was God forever and ever. He was God forever and ever.

Now, the Bible clearly states that

Jesus Christ, but there is also 1 Corinthians

10:4, the rocks that gave them strength in the

desert, which was Jesus Christ. So,

in the time of the prophets, Jesus was already there,

but in the time of the prophets, where

was Peter? He hadn't even

thought of being born.

And today we are going to see Peter, without being

born, being the foundation of people

who were there before him. That is absurd!

That is absurd! Now, we must understand,

right? That Christ is the rock and also the one

built upon

in Matthew 16:18, because he is going to say that

Christ is the one who builds, right? And

builds upon forgiveness. In Matthew

16:18, there are two important declarations: "

You are the Messiah." The builder,

you are our savior, but not only that, you are

the pre-existing rock because you are

the Son of the living God.

So Jesus Christ of Nazareth,

Jesus Christ of Nazareth, is

not only the pre-existing rock, He is

also the one who builds, my beloved. Glory to

God!

Now the church, the church, glory to

God! I know some of you are starting to get

uncomfortable. Calm down, calm down, calm down. It's not too long, is it? It's

my time.

Criticize, judges. What's happening is that

people don't want you to respect

what you've already said. Okay, I never said

that Jesus was the builder and the rock.

Never speak of that argument. He did

n't say that, but he did say the other thing, which

was the others, and even less so others. You're going to be

saying that the nine

prophets couldn't be built

on Peter. You already said that and

repeated it. Now I'm saying how Jesus

builds, right? First, I was saying

why Jesus was the rock.

Now I'm saying how Jesus builds. They

are two completely

different arguments. Please have patience.

Glory to God! Have patience.

Blessed be the Lord! So, Messiah,

builder, Son of God, eternal rock rock

that pre-exists something that Peter cannot

be nor can have, cannot be nor can

have,

then, whether it be the Lord, well, I'll stop

because if you don't listen, I'll stop, calm down,

no, calm down, calm down,

if he doesn't listen, you have to be patient, I

drove 14 hours,

so let's distract ourselves now, let's

base ourselves on the word right now,

well, in the classrooms, don't

worry, I

just don't want to have an advantage because if

he was over there and heard something later,

he can't refute me, I like

real debates,

real

glory, well,

at least I wouldn't like it if

I went to the bathroom and he was talking,

right?

Or maybe not.

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Laughter]

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History, be it the Lord, let's get into

the argument of Petros and Petras,

well, in Matthew 16:18, the Bible uses two different

words, two different words,

two different words, I think that, well,

the same people at all your events

because they always interrupt equally, they are

the same people, things change,

glory to God, well, let's see, Metros and

Petra, I hadn't spoken about it,

well, let's go Let's see, in Matthew

16:18, two different words are used: Peter, that is,

Petros, and rock, that is,

stones. I heard him say

in a video that both mean

stones, but that's not true.

Petras means rock and petro means

stone; they're not the same. A rock is what

comes from a stone.

Nobody would say, "I threw a rock."

No, who can carry a rock? No, I

threw rocks at him, meaning the one I didn't like.

There are two completely

different words here:

Petros means stone and petra

means rock. Now you'll understand that

Petro is masculine

and petras is feminine. He might

say that Jesus spoke in Aramaic, and in

Aramaic, supposedly, there's the same

word for stone and for rock.

First of all, we're not completely

sure that Jesus said that in Aramaic

because Jesus also spoke Hebrew. I'll

prove it to you now in the Bible, for

example. If we read Matthew 27:47, when

Jesus is on the cross, what does he say? And he

is Hebrew. But then, in Mark...

15:34 says today, today is Aramaic according to

Mark. According to Mark, Jesus spoke Aramaic,

but according to Matthew,

Jesus also spoke Hebrew. But

let's suppose he really spoke Aramaic.

Here's a problem that refutes that, and it's that

when the first Christians, that is, the

early Christians,

translated into Greek, they used two

different words.

Therefore, they

understood that Peter wasn't the rock.

Because if you, for example,

listen to a song in English, when you

translate it into Spanish, you translate it

according to what you understand

the song to

convey.

Every single manuscript of the

Gospel of Matthew is

in Greek; there isn't a single

manuscript in Hebrew or

Aramaic. So, every single one of the

early Christians

who translated the Bible into manuscripts

thought what I'm thinking today: that

Jesus didn't say the same thing.

Without Jesus, he didn't mean that Peter was

the rock because Jesus would have said... they would have

translated... and here I tell you that you You

are Peter, and on Peter I know if on

Peter I will build my church, but they didn't

translate it that way.

They translated it as, "And here I saw you, of

objectors, specters, and on Peter, on

these stones I will build my church."

So

glory be to the Lord Peter, that I

truly believe I love. So it's

more than clear, glory to

God. It's extremely clear that

the first Christians understood

that Jesus wasn't referring to Peter

as rock, and that's why they used two

different words. We're almost

finished,

terminal state.

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Now, let's suppose that Peter was the leader

of the whole church. Yes, but he was the leader

of Toriles. He was a terrible leader.

Let's go to Acts chapter 12, verse 17.

Acts 12:17. As I said, the truth is,

Luke wrote the book of Luke from

75 to 80 AD. Let's see

what verse 17 says. It

says, "But he, making

sign to him, 'Be quiet,' counted as though the

Lord had brought him out of prison. He said to

tell this to James and the

brothers, and went out." And he went to another place. This is

the passage, in case you didn't know, that

Peter is freed from prison by the

angel. Imagine now that the Pope walks out

the door of the Vatican and says, "I'm leaving,"

and I didn't say where.

Luke in the year 80 still didn't know

where Peter had gone. What kind of

leader abandons the Church, and the Church did

n't know where the leader was? That is

irrefutable proof that Peter

was indeed a leader because he was an apostle, and

every apostle had authority. But he

wasn't the head of the Church because the

head of the Church couldn't abandon

the Church and not decide where he was going.

Now we see that in Galatians chapter 2,

verses 11 to 14,

we see Peter teaching heresies.

We see Peter teaching heresy, but the

Catholic Church says that the Pope does

n't err in matters of faith. But those in

the know hadn't realized that the

Pope was being misled from chapter 11 onward.

Acts chapter 11 says, "

But when Peter came to Antioch, he

opposed him face to face because he was

condemned." Well, before

some of the messengers from James came, Peter ate with the

Gentiles, but after they came, he

turned back and separated himself because he was

afraid of those of the circumcision. James

was the true leader of the church.

Now, today we can discuss that point

because he also says that he was Peter, not

Japan.

I wish I had time for that.

Well, but we see Peter here being

afraid of Jacob's messengers. Now, verse

15 says, verse 13, sorry, and in their

hypocrisy the other Jews also participated, so that even

Barnabas was led astray by

their hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were

not walking—listen to this—uprightly

according to the truth of the gospel, that is, they were walking

in false doctrines, I said to

Peter in front of everyone, “If you, being

Jews, lived like the Gentiles and not like

Jews, why do you force the Gentiles to

Judaize?” The Pope was forcing the

Gentiles to take water and salt.

Wow, no,

that's not compatible with

Catholic doctrine. It's

not compatible with

Catholic doctrine because here it says that Peter was

forcing the Gentiles to Judaize,

and Paul says that wasn't right. To walk

according to the truth of the gospel, that is, according to

the sound doctrine of the gospel,

but the Catholic Church says that the

Father does not err,

God.

Let's see,

the Bible also says that Peter

categorically states that he was not the leader of the

entire church. Look in Galatians

chapter 2, right where we were,

verse 78.

Galatians chapter two, verses 7 and 8.

Let's see what his

leadership was about, and that's why we see Peter until

chapter 15, because in chapter 15

is where freedom is given to the

Gentiles.

We see that Peter's leadership is until

chapter 15 because until chapter

15 the Jews were the ones who commanded

the entire church.

Let's see, it says verse 6, 778. Excuse me,

before, on the contrary, as you saw,

I had explained well the

gospel of circumcision, for those who don't understand, the one

of the Gentiles, like

Peter, the one of circumcision, for those who do

n't understand, the one of the Jews. That is to say,

Paul had been commissioned by the

apostles, by the college of apostles,

among them was Peter. Go to the

Gentiles to have leadership over the

Gentiles, more like Peter having leadership

over the Jews.

Let's see verse 8. Well, there is something to be done.

It acts in Peter for the apostleship

to the circumcised. It also acts in me

for the Gentiles. Verse 9 says, "And

recognizing the grace that had been

given to me, or with these—look closely at everything—it is clear

that it was Peter, just as they

were considered as Colombians. They

gave to me and Barnabas the right hand as a

sign of fellowship. That is to say, Peter did not

command with just one man. Peter was

part of a college of apostles. It is in

verse number nine of Galatians chapter 2,

the three great pillars of the church.

Here it says it all: first of all,

Cephas, Peter, and John. This college of

apostles

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allowed, let's say, gave power to Paul

over the Gentiles. That is why Paul

rebukes Peter in Galatians 11. Why?

Because he was meddling in his

territory,

but he was trying to make the

Gentiles do what they do,

and Paul was telling him, 'Hey!' You were

given authority over the Jews, and I was

given authority over the Gentiles.

So the Bible makes it clear every time, in

the passages, verses, chapters—not just talking for the sake of

talking—what

Peter's leadership was. But he did have a leadership role. Yes, yes, I did it right

here. It was the level of the

gospel to the Jews. He was the

leader of the gospel to the Jews.

Glory to God. But he wasn't the leader of the

entire church. He was

n't the leader of the entire church.

No, he wasn't. Praise the Lord.

Right? Let's go on to...

Let's also... Glory to God that Peter was

the most charismatic of all. How many more do I

have? Let's

give you about 10 more to finish up.

11, 5,

5, Okay, calm down, calm down. I told myself

how long I took.

Well, time is limited. Let's go later. I'll have

more time to proceed.

Glory to God. Oh, me too. Me too.

First, let's understand that Peter was the

most charismatic apostle of all. We

see him in the book of Acts,

converting thousands of people with

him. But with this, Romero's church was

a small church, and there is evidence in the

Bible for this. The first piece of evidence is in

Acts, chapter 28, verse... Verses 21 and 22,

and if you can read it, Louis, in this

verse we're going to see that the Jews of

Rome didn't know about Acts 28:21 and 22.

They answered him, "We have not

received any letters from Judea concerning

you, nor have any of the brothers who

came here reported or spoken

anything bad about you. But we would like to hear from you

yourself." You think so? Well, what we know about that

sect is that they are

contradicted everywhere. Okay, what's the deal with this?

Because this moment is so important.

What was the greatest testimony of

conversion from Judaism to Christianity?

Undoubtedly, it was the Apostle Paul. Undoubtedly, he was

the apostle. He paid

because he paid the

men of authority within the people

of Israel. But pay attention: the Christians in

Rome had never told the Jews

about Paul. That makes us see

that the church in Rome was a

small church. If we go to the same book of

Acts, in verse 17, they don't give him anything because they do

n't have time. We're going to see that the

Christians didn't even go out to

receive the Apostle Paul when he came. The

most important part is in Acts

chapter 23. Verse 11 and I'm going to read it between them.

8 23

Verse 11

says

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The following night the

Lord appeared to him and said to Paul, 'Take courage,

Paul, for as a

traveler's certificate goes out, it is necessary that you

testify in Rome also.' Why did he have to

go to Rome if

Rome was pastored by the primate of

the church?

Why did Paul have to write

the letter to the Romans with doctrines as

basic as forgiveness, as the love of

God, as grace, if the church in

Rome was led and pastored by the

primate of the church,

the most charismatic apostle of all,

was in Rome and the Jews hadn't even

heard of Paul?

That's clearly stated in the Bible. Is

n't the church in Rome

the leader of the entire church? Because if the

church in Rome were the leader, it would be the

Vatican of today.

The Jews would have heard of the

great apostle. We'll end the applause

for Brother Eduardo.

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Eduardo, before we begin They

ask if in Greek it was petros, in

Aramaic it was eras, how was sepas,

and in CFI it was the same for

stones and rocks. It's not known why, it's

a dead language.

And I heard it.

Look, I'm going to start from the end. There are

things, the green one, I don't understand. I understand

your situation.

You're like you never studied the

teachings of the Church. I, as a

priest of the Church, have to teach

you. In the Catholic Church, listen to me, the Catholic Church ended with the primacy there in Rome, and Rome wasn't the one that ruled in the time of the apostles. Roman was the center, not the Vatican. Eduardo, that's true, that's true. You're only finding out now

that this is true, and the Catholic Church doesn't teach that.

You teach that by telling

lies to people. But the

Catholic Church, over time, because Rome was the

center of the world, the center of

evangelization, all roads

led to Rome. So the Church sees

that this center is important. It guides, for

example, why am I through the

internet? The internet ended, and why did

I have to stop you? Even using

the internet, because the center for

evangelization today is

the internet, where it can reach the whole

world. So what does someone who

wants to start a movement do? Are they going to start taking out loans? If the

internet is now used to reach

many people, and the church is

universal, then I have to use the

internet so that it reaches everywhere.

But

your ignorance—ignorance isn't

an insult, it's telling you that you were unaware of it. Your ignorance

is making

people believe, because you don't know,

that the church teaches that in the

Acts of the Apostles, perhaps not the

Gospel, it says that the Vatican was in

Rome. That's not what the Bible says,

that's not what the Catholic Church teaches.

Catholicism

today teaches that the Vatican already exists and

that

the seat of the church is there because of its

origins. When the

gospel spread, they clearly saw over

time that Rome was a

strategic location. And after Peter

died—so you know,

Peter died—the church

said, 'Let's find a headquarters, and we'll put the headquarters

in Rome.' That's all, Eduardo. Don't

rack your brains over this. Another

way to do it is by telling people

nonsense that isn't true, but then

the issue is the primacy of Peter. The

primacy...

you're going to read to me why you

made a mistake, and it's signed, and you can't go back. I'm

going to clarify some things.

First, when he took me to

Galatians chapter 2 verse 7, he told me, "

First in the church is James."

That's what he said, and you can rewind the video.

Something that the Bible doesn't say. The Bible

said that he was first, but the Bible

tells us, and he himself is going to read it. And that's why

I want to show you that the cat

is white because I have the hairs in my

hand, and he himself is worth it. I love you. Where it

says, "First James," Galatians 27... I

have the microphone... color... I

have a low sound...

and you're going to observe that he

lied. He read and said, "Here it says that

first was James." There it tells us that

first was James.

That's a lie. I love reading it

well.

I told you, you said, "If you can

rewind videos," and you rewind them if you see that he's saying

lies. If I'm

saying... Lies, you'll

see. I like it when you refute me like this, face to face,

not like this, hiding. When I ca

n't defend myself, who can I

defend myself against? This is where you have to

cover my mouth, right in front of my eyes, and no, I'll

cover your mouth. That's how you cover the mouths of

liars, and with respect

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to the people. And I have to show that

you deceive people by saying that the Bible says that

James comes first.

Read it so you can see that's a lie.

Yes, but if you take away my microphone, you'll

work in oil, because otherwise I'm going to

read whatever you want:

James, Cephas, the same. Which one does it say? It says there,

first, Cephas. Which one is first? No, no,

you said here it says here, it says first

James.

The Bible, how does it say? How can I

say if I read the verse?

Let's see who the liar is. The

whole world is watching the video.

Rewind. The only thing you have to do is

rewind the video and I'll show

Eduardo that I can prove that

the Bible says that it comes first, but like this, like this, like this.

If I cover your mouth,

Matthew chapter Verse 10, you're going to

read it yourself, please. Matthew chapter 10,

disciple. No, he can't show me what it

says because he named James there. At

one point, he named him first. So

he comes to say, "Here the Bible says, '

First James,' no, the Bible says, '

First Peter,'" Matthew 10:1. And you can't

look for me in any of the challenges, or

Eduardo, because that's how I like it, how you

challenge me there when I can't

defend myself. The challenges, cover

Eduardo's mouth. Move from a chapter where it says, "

First James," show me the challenge and I'll keep it,

cover the front mouth, just as

you go there,

also the mouth.

Matthew chapter 10, verse 1 onwards:

Then, calling his

twelve disciples, he gave them authority over

unclean spirits, to

cast them out, and to heal every

sickness and every kind of violence.

These are their names:

first Simon, the magnifying glass, the needle. That's how you

cover

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double,

and how you cover the mouths of those

people who like to talk so that The

rib of another, give it a view and see it

on YouTube, but look how he covers his

mouth, first Simon, and there are no more

numbers, first Simon, and there are no more. If

you show me where it says the first

James, I'll leave and I won't speak anymore.

He took the opportunity to put his

mouth like he did in the video when

I can't defend myself.

You yourself said, there we return to the algae

in Galatians chapter 2. Have patience

as I had with you,

Xalapa chapter 2 verse 7. Do you remember

that he told me that Jesus, I do

n't know if he would do that in Aramaic, no,

Professor Brenda, but that the name in

Aramaic meant stone, rock. Do you

remember that was the first

question I asked him? Yes, now the Balearic,

that when Paul speaks

in Galatians 3, Galatians 27, he tells us that in the

first place and eyebrows of James,

and he doesn't put oil because the period

that he realized and The time he's

explaining what specter that Petra that the

Greek of studying Greek already knows the

Greek what a story of pure lies to

deceive fools

here let's not talk about Petra or Petro

here let's talk about vines which mean

stones rocks the same and as they call

Peter loyal to you yourself however

by your own eyes

in which various seven of chapter two

of Galatians is ok before on the contrary

they saw that I had been entrusted with the

gospel as to Peter the one of the

circumcision follow

then I loved Peter for the apostleship

of the circumcision to all also in my

stick with the Gentiles you are reading

Galatians 27 sure of course follow what you

want the new one now that comes to be more

and if you are good in reading the first two

I like that he clarifies it before if he calls him

Peter but when he is going to name him as

pillars the three pillars that he gave

the three pillars of the church and the

first of James has gone a female

Petros ale does not name vines to tell

Eduardo checkmate checkmate

the web ring coal of earth

but to the tests me I refer you to

his Bible, and that way you shut the mouths of

those who like to talk on the internet at the

expense of others, so that

the priest responds to everything directly.

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You observe that here he is going to name

Peter

as stones, rocks, vines,

and in the columns of the church there is

someone who is important, he values

verse 9,

and recognizing the grace that

the jewel Cobos had been to me, it is easy to know

in Aramaic so that he doesn't jump around, that he

is behind, that if Petro, that if

small stones, that

big stone, he killed himself with his mouth. In

Aramaic, CFI means rock, period, and it is

the same as stone, and then he comes to

say that those are the columns, but

why doesn't he call him Petros so that you do

n't resemble Lara Payán and here, and why

them, why Paul, because Paul is capable

of putting the Aramaic when he opens Greek,

why don't you just put it there? Eduardo

Gutiérrez puts them in 1 Corinthians

chapter 15, you yourselves He's going to read

verse 5 where he again calls

Peter, not Petra or Petro, that this cat has been talking about for

hours, and only here does

Paul come to shut you up

when in 1 Corinthians chapter 15

verse 5,

when the Bible shows that

Peter has the primacy, and now I'm going to

explain what primacy means so that

you, Eduardo, have chapter 5, verse 5, so

that you keep in mind what

primacy means according to the Catholic Church, not

according to you.

15:5

And then appeared, long ago, the one

whom... and then appeared, long ago, to make

water, petrosus, petra... and then appeared... you need to know...

the rocks, that rock that

you said turned this way and that and that,

saying that

Peter wasn't red, wasn't a rock... but here

the Bible and Paul don't call him

Petras or Petrus in Greek, he calls him

Cephas, so that you stop this noise you're making, so that

people see that what you say is false. You were

deceived, it's not your

fault, it's not your fault, you were deceived.

But if today you want to know the truth, let me

test you. I refer you,

and the Bible says, look, there is

primacy in Peter, observe,

repeat it again so that you, the

hills, and we are going to put Lupita

now, we are going to fall

and the again, 15, 5 again,

and he appeared, he appeared to

whom, he appeared,

no,

and he appeared, he appeared, and then the

twelve, first alone, he appeared,

after he had already appeared to the one to whom

he gave the commission, the primacy of

the church, now he appears to the

twelve, and he didn't appear behind him a

little stone, but he appeared

to Cephas, who himself gave a rock or

stone, which is the same thing, and why didn't he

call it Peter or Peterhof, Petrus, however he wants, because

no, because here the Bible

is showing clearly that Peter

was within the church a leader that

God had placed,

now well,

I want to tell you, Mr. Eduardo,

that everything you said, that Christ

is the rock,

Mr. Eduardo, let the whole world know, that you do

n't believe that alone, Edgardo, you don't believe that alone,

you don't believe that alone. You

believe it, I believe it, and we all believe it. We all

believe Christ is the rock. We have no

problem with that. It's in the Bible. We

believe it. You want to put Christ

wherever you want? Christ can be

below, Christ can be above, Christ

can be everywhere. Christ is from

God and is everywhere without any

problem. We're not going to discuss that. I don't

dispute that. I accept it, Mr.

Eduardo. What you teach, if you do

n't care about the truth, you don't

care about the truth,

but don't bother me. When you

were speaking, Mr. Eduardo, I was

attentive, I was listening to you, and

people are watching, but it doesn't matter,

Mr. Eduardo. If you don't want to know the

truth,

ask me. It does matter to me. What I want is for

the whole world to realize that it's

a false deception of people.

So the Bible comes to show that

Christ is on the rock. Put him above,

put him below, as designed by the Holy

Mother Catholic Church, the most holy

Mother Catholic Church. And he says, "And is

Christ going to be supported on Peter?

Because Peter is on the rock, and then

Christ is going to be above?" So Peter

has to hold up Christ, and Christ is

riding on top of Peter. Put it wherever

you want. What the Holy

Mother Church teaches is that when Christ founded

the Church, he left a leader,

John,

and that leader gave him the task

of governing the Church. He gave

that task of governing the Church

to Simon and changed his name. He

changed it in Aramaic,

if you please, John

142. He didn't change it in Greek, Petros, the

letter. He

changed it in Aramaic so that you all would stop

fighting over the little stone, the earth, the rocks. And that was the

story they filled his

head with, the 142. Listen,

and we don't see it here.

And he brought him to Jesus, and looking at him, Jesus

said, "You are Simon. You are Simon. He was

called, yes,

son of Jonah. You will be called, so you know." He did

n't call him little Peter, little Peter. They

filled his head with that, and he

repeats it like a parrot. It's not his fault, and

he knows why he

uses "Petros" if he's speaking in

Greek. Why does he use a word? In

Aramaic, because so there's no argument,

I can show you where it talks about Peter,

and where it talks about Peter, he can

jump in saying it's a little stone, but I

can show you where it says "at FAL bullets," where it

's "checkmate." He can't say "little stone"

because it's the same thing, and they heard it from

his own lips, only he doesn't believe it.

His problem is, you will be called "rock," rock.

Now, what does he teach the church about? That Peter

is the rock. So Christ has to

kneel before Peter? Don't tell lies.

That's not what the church teaches. The

Catholic Church teaches that the important one in the

life of a Christian is Jesus Christ, not

Peter, not James, not Pamphilus, not

anyone. It's Christ. But that Christ who is so

important that when he founded the

church, he left a father, a leader, a

steward, and he is in charge for us. I

hope, Mr. Eduardo,

gentlemen, when in the church, so that

you understand and don't speak brutalities

in front of people, when the

Catholic Church teaches that Peter is the one

called the Primacy of

Peter,

what you say is respected because it

is One person, but know that you

are slandering by saying that the

Catholic Church believes Peter is the primacy of

Peter because he takes Christ's place.

And why not? No, no, no, no,

Peter is the primacy of Peter because he is first

after Christ. Observe: after

Christ comes Peter, then Matthew,

after Christ. Put him wherever you

want, but for us, the important thing

is Christ. But that Christ left a leader

within the Church, that leader who will

govern, who will direct the Church. That is what we

call primacy because he

read it where Matthew says, "He called twelve

first." That is called primacy: first

Peter, and there is no second or third. There is only

primacy.

The whole world should know that for

us Catholics, primacy is

different from what he was taught. And

here is a Catholic priest

explaining to Catholics and

Protestants what the

Catholic Church teaches: that when it says primacy, it is

because Matthew says, "These are the

names of the apostles." First,

because Christ placed Peter as a leader

within the Church. That is what we

call... Primate, you can call

your cousin first, that's

respected,

but for us, the primate is the one who

is first, in charge of the

Church of Jesus Christ. And we know that the

Church isn't a building; the

Church is, as He Himself said, a

congregation, and there is a leader in that

congregation. Who is He? Who is the

important one in that congregation? Christ.

But after Christ, who will give

orders? Who will guide? Who will

lead?

That's called primacy. He

said it several times, and he said, "And Father

Toro has no way to refute me. There are three

evangelists in my favor:

Matthew,

remember him, and Luke. The heart has no way to prove the

whole thing. The priest

has no way to refute it, to give it to him. But listen to me so

that you know and never again put your

foot in it like this."

Car stuff.

The only one who talks about this is Matthew

because, for Eduardo's knowledge,

Matthew is the only one who writes to the

Jews,

to the Jews who come to convert, who

convert, and he begins to

work with the Jews. That's why you will

see that from the beginning of Jesus Christ,

as Matthew begins, the origin of

Jesus Christ is this way because... He is

speaking to the Jews, he

is speaking to the Jews, everything he

says is to the Jews,

and when he speaks to the Jews, he wants to

show them that

God already had a people

before Christ came, where the

prophets were, where all those people were—

that was the people of God. But now

Christ wants to show the Jews,

through the Gospel of Matthew, that there is

a new people of God, which is the

Old Testament. There was a king, but

now there is a new king. In the Old

Testament, there was one people,

now there is another. And that is why you will

see that Matthew is going to take up what

Isaiah chapter 22, verses 20 to 22 says.

When Matthew takes up the idea, it should be Isaiah 22:

20-22. If you want, do me a favor and I'll save it,

and that's how I like it,

Isaiah 22:20-22, because the only one who

takes it is Matthew, because Matthew is speaking to

the Jews who knew Isaiah, who

knew the previous scriptures, who

knew the history of the people, and

so he comes to show them that if

before there was a king, that king had a

That king had a people, that

king would leave and give the keys to the

steward, and the steward would act in the

king's name. Now in the New

Testament there is a new king, Christ. That

king gives the keys to the steward,

Peter. Today I already knew it, chapter 22,

verses 20 to 22: "On

that day I will call my servant

Eliakim son of Irijah, and the garment was

the robe, and I will follow him

and deliver your power into his hands,

and he will be a father to the inhabitants of

Jerusalem. He will be a father

to the

inhabitants of Jerusalem, to all those who are

subjects of the king. He will be a father

to them. He will be a father to

the inhabitants of Jerusalem. The house

of his desire to play, pardon, he will shut, he will shut,

and no one will open it. And I will fix it like a

nail in the firm place, and he will be a seat

of honor in the house of his Father." And why don't you

read a little further back?

Palmata told me, if not again, verse 22

Again,

2020 to 2220, okay, and I'll put the key to

the house of notices, that's the one I'm

interested in, that he's not interested in reading it,

crazy things are done, let's understand, we

tried, nothing good,

talking, I bat, take, speak to the

Jews and tell him, in the Old

Testament, all Jews knew that the king

gave the keys to the steward

publicly so that the king's subjects

would obey him and take him as a

father, and what no

one can close, what he closes, no

one can open, that's how the people

of Israel did it, why doesn't Mark say it? Because

Mark didn't write to the Jews, why don't they

say Luke? Because he didn't

write to the Jews like Matthew either, so

ignorance is bold, so

he thinks that

Matthew and Mark are in his favor, it's

called ignorance of the scriptures,

and there Jesus Christ is naming Peter

steward, the first after Christ,

after Christ, after the king, how do

we know that Christ is the king, who

gave the key, who had the key, he

had the keys The king

to whom they gave the key, the king to the

steward, and he remained as head of the entire

community, who treated him like a father and

obeyed him, and gave him the key. What did

Jesus give to Peter? "I give you the

keys." What binds, what loosed will be loosed.

Eduardo, that's all. I'm telling you,

not so you'll believe it.

Ask me if it matters to me. I don't care. I'm saying it so that

people who want to see

the truth can see it, and so that the whole world

knows the truth and realizes that

once a bull is in the

ring, it's difficult to fight.

The barriers are there, otherwise...

So

we continue seeing

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what the primacy

of Peter means for us. What does it mean for us?

You yourself, Eduardo, will read it

first. It means that he called twelve,

twelve,

and that of those twelve, when the twelve were there,

Jesus Christ gave one named Peter the commission

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to work for the others. He says that he

supports three evangelists, Mr. Eduardo.

For your information, I must Tell him that the

primacy of Peter is supported by

three of the Gospels:

Matthew, Luke, and each one speaks of the

primacy of Peter in their own way.

Matthew reads, "

You are Peter, and on this rock I

will build my church." We're not going to

argue about that because he realized it's

back to the rock, to the rock. But

how do we know about the primacy? Because he

gave it to him. How do we know that the

primacy—what you bind, you loose—

is bound. That's what we in the Catholic Church call primacy. You can call it whatever you like. And with all due respect, I'm just explaining what the Catholic Church teaches. Now, Mr. Eduardo, it's

Luke chapter 22, verse 31.

Mr. Eduardo, here I have another source backing me up. It was Luke

chapter 22, verse 31. I was going to show you what

you still don't know, which is the

primacy of Peter. I have proof: the cat

is white. I have the hairs in my hand, and I'm

going to show them to you with a magnifying glass so you can

tell me if they are. White or not, they're

white

because that's how you shut up those

people who talk a lot but don't have

the truth, and they have the truth because they don't show it. They

talk and talk and talk and say, "But I

have proof, primate, here's the

primate." I already showed you that Matthew spoke

of the primate,

first Peter, now Luke 22:31. He

also said to Mr. Edgardo Monetti,

excuse me,

and if you could read a little more

softly, more slowly, I would be

grateful. If you can, and if it's a

favor,

well then, don't be upset

when I take the microphone away.

Relax, on

the 31st, you told me, he

also said a little, that's why I jump

to a verse. He also said, "Mr. Simon,

Simon, behold, Satan has asked to sift you

as wheat."

Mr. Eduardo, can you answer me when he

says "Simon, Simon," to whom is he referring?

To Christ, to Peter? This time, it is,

to this time. I don't want to see him

when I am here. Bardo refers to

Peter,

and second, "has asked" is speaking in the

plural, referring to Peter. And to the

apostles,

know why in the Catholic Church

we speak of the primacy, so that you will

never again tell lies.

Simon, Simon, look, Satan knows who

Satan is. The devil has asked permission

to shake

the apostles, to shake them, like

wheat, wheat to be

sent like wheat that is taken out, to

Councilor Pepa or the pipe, and

one is taken out over there, it is separated, it is divided to

divide them like wheat. We

cannot stop using the magnifying glass.

See the primacy, I have proof. Look how

Eduardo Gutiérrez Verano's mouth is covered

if it is a lie,

but Valero, and if it is true, it stays with you, either you

believe it or you don't believe it,

ask me if I care, but the

whole world must know what is worth

32.

But I have prayed for you, you

can send it to me, but I have prayed

for you for the third time. I am going to read the

word normally, don't abuse me for this. I don't

like to use the magnifying glass because when

you see, you use the magnifying glass to

see things clearly. Eduardo, it is that

when I am not here you speak From the

priest, I will respect everything, and let them do it.

Eduardo Gutiérrez,

the bard Gutiérrez, you talk a lot, and

the world has to realize that

you talk a lot, and that I will shut you up

with the Bible, with the word of

God. Here is the PRI, bad, but I have

prayed for you,

Nieva Rojo Jr. Neither is any pastor anywhere in

the world.

Can you tell me that Jesus Christ wasn't

thinking of Peter as the primate of the

apostles, as the head of the apostles? The

devil asked permission to sift

you like wheat, but

I have prayed for you.

That is called primacy, and let

Gutiérrez know this. If no one has

told him, today a priest has told him, not so that he

believes it, I don't

care, but so that he knows.

And the day he says again that Peter does

n't have the primacy, remember what he

read:

Satan asked permission to sift

you like wheat, but

I have prayed for

you.

Who, who shuts my mouth?

Showing me with the Bible that the

primacy of Peter isn't here, let him

cover it up, let him show me a

chapter verse where it says that's a

lie. Don't tell me, Jesus, no, you

're not in charge of the church,

I prayed for all of you here, there's no

one, you're all equal, it's here in

the church, I don't leave anyone in

charge. The APM, the mouth, it's not that he knows a

lot about the Bible, Eduardo,

the ignorant, they deceive the fools

who follow them and who write, I am my

pastor,

because he grabs the Bible, says mine, how much

nonsense the pastor says, the Lord, that's not how things are,

things are as they are. So,

dear brothers, you

observe that the Bible says that, yes, it says it

in several ways, the devil has

begged, the devil has asked permission to

sift you, plural, as is

done with wheat, but I have prayed for

you

and continue, Lord, in length,

continue with health, chapter, calmly,

I have patience with you, Luke 22,

now if you can read 31 and 32, I

thank you,

the Lord also said, Simon, Simon, and here they will be bound, I am

asked to sift them

like wheat, but iron given by you, that

your faith may fail us, and once returned,

confirm to your brothers what is the task

of Peter,

what is the task of Peter,

confirm,

that is the primacy of Peter, you, but you are going to

confirm in the faith your brothers,

only a blind person, only a

deaf person, only someone

who does not want to hear, who does not care about the

word of God, someone who takes the

Bible to deceive fools,

can say that it is a lie

because here it is about believing Christ,

men, I am going to speak very beautifully, I

can read for many hours,

ask me if I care, I care, it is what

the Bible says, what Christ says, may God help me, I am

not going

and it will be done and the whole world must

know it,

look, I have prayed for you so that your faith does

not fall apart, everything, or

Santiago

Perdomo says, Santiago says, no, Juan says,

Simon says,

prayed for you and you have to strengthen

your brothers, everything you say is

your word, you are respected, but

we are Christians and we believe in

Christ and above all Christ, nobody knows

who those are who stumble over Christ.

You love Him here because not to

stop, not so that He doesn't suffer much.

First of all, from the Gospel of Peter, which he

read to me, chapter 2, verse 9, who are those

who stumble over Christ, who is the

rock that He spoke of, and surely they will stumble. Peter, going

up for him, walking up,

and they will stumble.

The Bible says who are the ones who

stumble, neither those who are up

nor those who are walking. So he stumbled

over a stone. Oh no,

Eduardo Gutiérrez, who stumbles over the

Bible, over the word of God, who

opposes the word of God. Pay attention, I

have proof

after the 8th

and also in the stumbling stone and rock

where they crash, where they crash, just like

this star I'm keeping right now,

where they crash.

Indeed, those who reject the

word stumble,

those who reject the word, like this

man who rejects it even though he is

reading it. He already designated me, that I have to

climb onto the roof, think about me with the

stone.

Ignorance is bold. Here

Peter is speaking that the one who stumbles is one who

encounters the

word and still does not want to believe in the

word, and then the stone of the

builders, in Vangelakos, Sandra,

Christians, they stumble over that stone for

not believing in the word, because they believe the so-called

pastors. It is the one who took

the Bible and He started talking nonsense, and

others followed suit, or like Eduardo, who

opens a channel and starts talking

nonsense, and instead of producing, he's

focused on what video Luiz picks, what

Luis Toro puts out, what the fool produces, and he's

like a fly

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going where the food is to

put what I told you, that's

why he doesn't produce, because he doesn't

realize that I'm preaching the

word of God here, there,

and everywhere, and he's following me around

like a fly.

Ask me if I care, ask, it's

true, that's why I've never said anything, that's why I've

never been bothered, that's why I'm

my friend, that's why I accepted him, that's why I

talk to him, but if it's necessary for

the truth to come out, for the

whole world to know,

and here then is the first one according to

Saint Luke, but not only Matthew, not

only Luke, John,

you are the same Eduardo, John 20, 21, 15,

you're going to see the apostles again, and there's

Peter,

and you're going to see the primacy, that puts him

first, puts him as the head, puts him

As the head of the church, that's what

Peter means in the church, the

primacy, which is what

the Holy Mother

Church teaches, and you should know it, and the

Protestants too. Matthew, I mean John

21 or 15,

John, when they had eaten, said, "

Have they eaten?" He noticed they weren't alone;

everyone was there, the

apostles were there, Christ was there. I

repeat, please

remember to have

respect just once. If he's sensitive, we respect him.

Here I have an assistant.

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John 21:15.

How can he not be sensitive if I'm

making him look more sensitive in front of people? He

's taking off his mask. He has to

be sensitive because the truth hurts, and

miraculously, the neighborhood is evaded,

but not deceived. Deceived, and you hurt,

but deceived me.

After eating, Jesus asked Peter,

after having 20, 21, 15, after

eating,

Jesus asked Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you

love me more than these than these?"

No miracle, well, do you

love me more than these? Yes, I

observed that there is a group of IU

who are the apostles and Jesus says to

Peter, "

You love me more than these,"

and they're going to see with Lupita's help

the primacy of Peter. Eduardo says that

primacy means pa pa pa pa pa pa pa pa pa. My

respects, Eduardo, but for the

Catholic Church it doesn't mean that. For

the Catholic Church, primacy means

that Jesus put him as head of the

Church. I have proof,

Simon, he loves me more than these. Here comes

Peter's answer. Peter

answered, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you."

And what does Jesus answer? Go to the homework, what

the Catholic Church teaches. This is

the primacy that Eduardo Gutiérrez still does

n't understand, doesn't grasp. Okay,

then Jesus told him, "Feed my

lambs." There, that's the primacy, a

Peter that Jesus Christ, the one he says is

the way, the truth, and the life, and

that you only have to believe in Christ to

fight because, such an evangelical Christian,

that Christ says, "You are Peter, who I say

loves me, maketo, feed my lambs," and

now he comes to say that it was

James, that it doesn't say there that Peter says it

was James

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have proof, I keep it, that's how it's challenged, that's how it's

repaired, the men who tell lies on the

internet, let them prove to me where it says

that Jesus calls James and said to him,

James loves me more than these, sit down, cover their

mouths, Eduardo Grammy,

chapter and verse where it says

Jesus Christ, that's it,

look Christians, you have to prepare yourself

because otherwise people see the ignorance

of the people and they come and tell lie after lie after lie,

and how many believe him

and his followers, I ask for forgiveness, but it is

necessary that you see that this one who

calls himself a pastor is leading us into error, into

lies, because of the ideas he has,

but not because of what Jesus Christ, the Lord

Simon, says, "He

loves me more than these,

feed my lambs."

Who can tell me that Jesus Christ did

not give Peter the authority to

feed his flock, which is the church,

who no one says is called by anyone, he

neither does

anyone here, it is clear, and if you want to

see that when I speak to you, "feed my lambs" It

refers to the church.

Paul takes it up in Acts 20. You

stay there, I'm going with her, you stay calm.

In Acts 20:

20-8,

where you see that flock,

the

and the tsja, take

care of yourselves and all the

flock. The flock,

feed my flocks, my lambs,

for the Holy Spirit has made you

shepherds, watchmen of the

church of the church. So that

flock of novelty, which is the church of

God, and the church of God has a leader, who is

Jesus Christ.

Eduardo Jardón said, after Christ,

not before Christ, not above

Christ. Eduardo, how does he teach you about telling

lies? Below, that is, Christ is

superior to him. Christ is the owner of the

church. And now Christ entrusts the

church to Peter,

but Peter is not the owner, the owner is

Christ. But Christ, I have proof, he left

Peter in charge, and in case Eduardo doubts it,

Jesus Christ did it a second time.

Jesus asked him again, Simon,

son of John, do you love me?

But he answered, "Yes, Lord." You know I

love you, Jesus said. Take care of my sheep. "My sheep"

means the sheep, not Eduardo

Gutiérrez.

That's the city, he's

the one from Pisto. Peter takes care of

my sheep, and that's why we go

with him.

If we weren't in the church where there's

a leader who takes care of the sheep, take care of my

sheep. When the Bible says something

once, it's important; when it says it twice, it's because it's

very important; and

when it says it three times, it's because it's extremely

important. And here it says it

three times in a row.

It seems like what's the purpose?

Only that Christians of all

times

know that after Christ there is a

shepherd in charge of the whole flock, and that is

him. Now

the modern slaves can come and

say that that shepherd is James,

but without proof, without proof of respect.

Yes,

for the third time Jesus insisted, "Simon,

son of Peter, how much do you love me?" Peter was

saddened because Jesus had

asked him for the third time if he loved him,

and he answered, "Lord, you know, you know

everything, you know that I love you."

Then Jesus said to him, "Feed my sheep." "Of

course," Candila said. "I've said case closed.

It's clear here. I'm just

going to have to give

Mr. Eduardo Gutiérrez a magnifying glass so he

can see it, because he hasn't been able to see it.

I want Mr. Gutiérrez and

all the evangelicals to see that it's

true there is a leader in the church.

He went off on a tangent talking about

Paul, saying that Paul was in

charge of the Gentiles and Peter of the

Jews, and so there was no

authority here, Mr. Fatty.

But in the Catholic Church,

in the Catholic Church it is taught that

Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles. It is

taught. Don't think it's your invention;

the Catholic Church took it from you

because you weren't even born when

the Catholic Church was already teaching it.

And Peter,

the apostle to the Jews—that's not your

invention; it's in the teachings of

Holy Mother Catholic Church. And you know what,

Mr. Eduardo? Have you ever

heard that

within the Catholic Church there is a

feast day for two great apostles who,

despite having died at

different times, are celebrated as the feast of Saint

Peter and Saint Paul, Mr. Eduardo?" You haven't

heard that normally

the feast of Saint James is celebrated, the life of peace of

this one, the feast of that one when he dies,

the feast of those of the

Tuesday of the Christians is celebrated

when they enter, but in this Peter dies

in one era, Paul dies in another era,

but the Church knows

what Eduardo thinks we don't

know,

that Paul was apostle to the Gentiles

and Peter apostle to the Jews, and that

later there were new apostles, friends of the

apocalypse, that were important of two,

Catholics know that and celebrate the

feast of Saint Peter and Saint Paul,

only the Evangelicals who have never

read the history of the Church, nor the

doctrine of the Church, go around saying

we discovered America, which is said to have been

discovered before you were

born, we

already knew that,

but you should know, Mr. Eduardo Gutiérrez

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that when we say that Paul

was apostle to the Gentiles,

the reasons for that, there is no

problem, what we must show is

that the Bible shows the superiority of

Peter

over Paul, the superiority of Peter

over Paul

And you will see that Paul, that

apostle to the Gentiles, he submitted to

the church and he submitted to Peter as well.

The priest said he was going to talk to you about the Acts

of the Apostles from 1 to 15, and he was going to

talk to you about chapter 1, verse by verse, to

see if Clara can handle that. What

the priest is going to talk about is that the prophet was

wrong, he was

wrong, he prophesied and it didn't come true.

But you know what he didn't say?

The priest is going to show you that Saint

Paul didn't just call himself an apostle or something like that.

In the Acts of the Apostles, chapter 13,

verse 2 onwards, Paul has

hands laid on him. He submits to the

authority of the church that existed before

him. The other apostles lay

hands on him and send him off. Acts 13:2 onwards:

One day, while they were celebrating the liturgy

of the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit

said, "Set apart Barnabas and Saul for the

mission I have entrusted to them." So

after they had helped, fasted, and prayed, they

laid hands on them and sent them off.

Here it is. Paul submitted to the

authority; they placed it in his hands, and he

allowed himself to be sent. He was sent, and they

asked him to, and he began to evangelize. He

begins to analyze in chapter 13. In

chapter 15, he was analyzing.

In this chapter 15, you will see

that when Paul begins to evangelize,

Paul

encounters a problem that he cannot

solve, and with Lupita's help, we

will realize that Paul is

convinced that above him there is a

greater authority, and if he can

solve it, he has to go to a

higher authority.

15

Some who had come down from Judea

were teaching the brothers that unless they

circumcised themselves according to the commandment of Moses, they

could not be saved. This fact provoked

a heated discussion between Paul and

Barnabas. Here they are, here they are in action,

the two new apostles who had just been

placed in his hands and appointed to

evangelize, and they encounter a

problem. They don't know what to do.

A heated discussion ensues between

Paul and Barnabas against

them. Because of this, Paul,

Barnabas, and some decided Others went up to

Jerusalem to discuss this matter. When

the apostles were there, and there was a hierarchy,

Paul submitted to the authority. Or did Paul

say, "I don't care about the

apostles anymore. I make decisions here. I do what I want

because I'm an

evangelical Christian"? Paul said, "We can't

solve this. Let's go down, let's go up."

As he said,

they made the decision to end it because

Paul and Barnabas and some of us

went up to Jerusalem. They went up

to Irun, to Eroski, to

Jerusalem, where the headquarters were. They went up to Jerusalem where

the previous apostles were, where there was

a higher hierarchy. They went up, there was a

hierarchy, and Paul had no

problem going. He

continued

to discuss this matter with the

apostles and those in charge, provided

by the church of Antioch with everything

necessary for the journey. They crossed

Phoenicia and Samaria, counting on the

conversion of the pagans and filling

all the brothers with great joy. Upon

arriving in Jerusalem, they were received by

the church, the apostles, and those in charge

and responsible in the

church,

and they were received. Because of them, and now they will

observe that if the problem arises again,

the car and they told them everything

that God had done through

them, but some of the

sect of the Pharisees who had

become believers intervened, saying

that it was necessary to circumcise the

converts and force them to fulfill the

law of Moses.

Then the apostles and the

leaders met. The apostles

and the leaders met there.

The

church met

to examine this matter. After a

long discussion,

after a long discussion, Eduardo

Gutierrez de Coche, after a long discussion, the

same as before

with Paul, after a long discussion, Peter stood up. Who? Who? Who?

Peter stood up. Peter stood up.

Why not James Berlin? Why not James? Why

not? He

can say because James was going

to the bathroom,

and he is respected, and he is respected, but what I

want is for you to see what

the Bible says. It matters less what he says. I do

n't care what the Bible says.

Peter stood up.

Simon loves me more than these.

Feed the