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The Global Aesthetics of the Catholic Imagination: Critical Reception of the Catholic Imagination

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good morning oh there we are

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good morning everyone I hope you can

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hear me

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yeah

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it's lovely to see all of you and to

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open the second day of our wonderful

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conference with a paper on Catholic

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women and poetry our paper this morning

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is really going to be in two parts and

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it's going to form something of a

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dialogue

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today Emma Mason and I will both be

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speaking about a neglected and actually

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I think submerged tradition of Catholic

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poetry by women and with me speaking

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first I'll be talking about poetry from

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my own National and cultural context in

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Scotland within a kind of global grammar

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of Catholic devotion and giving brief

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examples of poetry mostly from the early

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to mid 20th century and then after that

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Emma is going to be speaking about

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contemporary poetry by women poets whose

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Aesthetics manifest presence absence

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perception and contemplation

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and once we're finished we'd be very

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very glad to carry on the conversation

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with you and to take questions and talk

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more about your response to what we've

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set out here

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so in many ways a conference paper on

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Catholic women poets might not seem to

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be at least at first especially radical

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or To Tread particularly fresh ground

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however writing and especially poetry by

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Catholic women and from a range of

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cultural contexts has really yet to

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receive the kind of sustained critical

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attention received by the best known

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canonical figures of Catholic creative

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writing and those figures nearly always

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tend to be men

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for example if we were to look up the

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Catholic literary Revival

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that themed period of writing in England

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and France broadly between the mid 19th

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to 20th centuries and we had a look on

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Wikipedia we would find the leading

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exponents of this movement represented

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in the photograph above me whoops I want

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I've gone one too far

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there we go

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that's them

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so here we have George Bernard Shaw

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Hillier Bellic and UK Chesterton all

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looking deep in thought and very very

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serious man dressed in black and of

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course the standard representation of

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this movement in Britain and France as

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predominantly male isn't confined only

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to Wikipedia

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so you had a sneak preview a minute ago

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but here are uh some covers of some

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popular and accessible studies of

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Catholic fiction published in roughly

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the last 40 years on the left we have

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Joseph Pierce's study literally converts

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spiritual inspiration in an age of

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disbelief or unbelief and it's cover

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displaced photographs going clockwise of

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Oscar Wilde

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Hillary bellock again George Bernard

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Shaw who wasn't actually a Catholic

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convert

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and the young Evelyn wall

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and it should be said that alongside a

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photo of GK Chesterton on the back cover

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of this book there's also an image of

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the Catholic English crime writer

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Dorothy Sayers and in another edition of

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the book Edith sitwell features on the

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front cover again with three male

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writers but the overwhelming impression

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here is that the Canon is male centered

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the book in the middle of the slide is

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the important wide-ranging and

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groundbreaking study faithful fictions

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the Catholic novel in British literature

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by Thomas Woodman and this is a really

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important book and for me one of its

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great strengths is that it recognizes

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that British Catholic literature isn't

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homogeneous Woodman explores the work of

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writers from across Britain diligently

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and with a very keen eye always aware of

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historical and cultural nuances at work

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in his writing in their writing and on

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this cover we see a more mature Evelyn

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War than there was on the last cover

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and we also see a Muriel spark a woman

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and then of course Graham green and

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these are three writers that Sparks

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biographer Martin Stannard called a

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grand triumvirate of Catholic convert

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novelists in the 20th century and Below

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them in the final photograph is their

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literary inheritor and actually a very

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fine critic of green David Lodge

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the novelist

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and then on the right hand side the

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final image on the slide you'll see the

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cover of Richard Griffith's 2010 study

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the pen and the cross Catholicism and

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English literature 1850 to 2000 so The

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Usual Suspects are depicted in some

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rather nice line drawings here we've got

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Cardinal Newman possibly Maurice bearing

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you can correct me if I'm wrong

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um David Lodge again Muriel spark once

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more and of course Graham green and then

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in the foreground I'm very pleased to

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see that we have Anna haycraft who wrote

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Under the pen name Alice Thomas Ellis

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and she was a writer of both Welsh and

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Finnish Heritage so she

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um is not uncomplicatedly a part of

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English literature as the book's title

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suggests and then our final writer

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um in the foreground in Repose is Evelyn

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War again so he's he appears on all

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three covers and he kind of wins so

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disappointingly despite being on the

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cover on a haycraft or Alice Thomas

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Ellis

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isn't really discussed at length in this

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book at most she she Garners a couple of

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paragraphs

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and the great English Catholic poet

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Elizabeth Jennings who I know that Emma

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is going to discuss today isn't there on

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the cover and she merits only a couple

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of paragraphs in the book too despite

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writing so evocatively about Rome it's

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worth reading her while we're here

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actually and being described by her

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publisher Michael Schmidt as the most

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unconditionally loved poet of her

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generation so despite that she receives

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very scant attention in the book

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now it's undoubtedly the case that

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Publishers and not authors have the

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final say about the covers of books and

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there is often of course a commercial

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element to this critical books on

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writers like war and green are still

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very very much in demand and so it makes

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good sense from a marketing perspective

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to show their likenesses on the front

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cover of these multi-author studies

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and I don't show you these covers in

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order to condemn the authors of these

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works and for my own books cover I have

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a photograph of a dedication of the

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crucifix on the orkney islands off the

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North Coast of Scotland and this image

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shows an almost entirely male

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congregation

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and in tracing a history of Scottish

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Catholic writing in my past work I focus

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predominantly on men so I'm Not Innocent

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of the charge of foregrounding a

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tradition of male Catholic writers

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but my intention in displaying these

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covers today

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is to propose that there is a critically

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submerged body of work by Catholic women

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writers especially Catholic women poets

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which is yet to receive proper attention

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uncovering this work and bringing it to

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light in criticism and in brand new

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editions represents something of a sea

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change in attitudes towards writing by

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Catholic women and indeed the new

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Catholic University of America press

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series Catholic women writers edited by

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Bonnie Lander Johnson and Julia metzaros

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is leading the charge in bringing out of

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print works by Catholic women back into

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publication

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now let me just turn to

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the work of some Catholic women

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here we go whose work I'm currently

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reading and working on and who I believe

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are part of an untold story of Catholic

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creative writing in the 20th century

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you'll have noticed that there is one

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woman who appears on the cover of two of

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the books that have been on the slides

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this morning already and that's Muriel

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Spark

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and Spark is a writer who nicely

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troubles the Waters of two easy

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definitions of Catholic writing and

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English for a start she was a convert

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excuse me of mixed Anglican and Jewish

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Heritage and she referred to herself as

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the Gentile duess and she was also

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Scottish from Edinburgh the city in

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which I work

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the photograph on the left I don't know

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if you can make it out is in fact a

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flagstone from the the writers Museum in

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Edinburgh which is situated right next

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door to the school of divinity where I

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work just a few steps away

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and this flagstone bearing Spark's name

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and dates includes the words the

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Transfiguration of the commonplace a

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quotation from perhaps her most famous

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novel the prime of Miss Jean Brodie from

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1961 and also I think a very pithy

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summation of the work of Catholic

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fiction and poetry the Transfiguration

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of the commonplace

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and I've also included a photograph of

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Spark's gravestone here which is on the

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right

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if you look closely you'll see that it

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Bears the words Muriel Spark poeta or of

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course poet in Italian

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and Spark moved to Rome from New York in

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1966 before settling in Tuscany in the

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early 1970s

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where she lived until her death and it's

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in Tuscany that she's buried

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spark is not known as a poet she's the

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very well regarded author of 22 novels

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but she thought of herself this way she

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thought of herself as a poet and her

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poetry still has to be reckoned with

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critically

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moreover despite being as Jared

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Carruthers puts it the superlatively

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successful Scottish author since Robert

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Louis Stevenson another Scottish writer

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and poet who lived a Cosmopolitan life

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around the globe sparked scottishness is

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often ignored or subsumed into the

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broader Canon of English literature

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despite her inclusion and studies of

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Catholic writing like those already

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mentioned her Catholicism sometimes goes

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under appreciated

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Willie mealy rightly observed that

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Spark's poems of Africa can contribute

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to discussions of Scotland's Colonial

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past and certainly her years in Zimbabwe

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from I think 1937 to 1940 then Southern

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Rhodesia and which formed the backdrop

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to many of her short stories and some

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poetry are now the subject quite rightly

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of critical scrutiny and debate and

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critique

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but we shouldn't miss the spiritual

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content of this work

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and other work

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so if we take the poem like Africa

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for example it begins

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let me just wait till the slide loads

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oh

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it's going to be well I'll read it to

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you

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oh thank you

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he is like Africa who's White Flame the

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brilliant Acres lie and all his Nature's

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latitude gives the measure of hit of the

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simile

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his light his Stars his hemisphere Blaze

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like a Tropic and immense the moon and

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leopard stride his blood and Mark and

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him their opulence

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and hem the muffled Drums of forests in

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form like dreams and manifold links

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Eagle Thorn effect about him their very

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night and emerald

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so melee reads this as a love poem for

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Sparks One Time Suitor Howard Sergeant

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who she fell in love with during the

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1940s melee writes the continent

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represents her lover and all his

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magnificence Sergeant is described as a

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continent a proud wild animal the

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zamfisi river

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this poem comes close to another poem

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anniversary in that both verses draw on

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imagery from Spark's African experiences

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well that's all very well but is this

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really a love poem

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um of romantic love to my eyes at least

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this is divine love or perhaps both

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Divine and romantic love coalesce in

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these lines but me at least Spark's poem

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is a love song to The God who creates

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the vast sacramental Cosmos

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I'll turn now very briefly to two other

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Catholic women poets

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whose work I've been reading recently

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and working on

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if Sparks like Africa draws on her

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experience of the of Zimbabwe then the

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work of Anne scottman creep a hugely

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neglected figure of the so-called 20th

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century Scottish cultural Renaissance

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it's a wholly vernacular work which

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determinedly signals its scottishness

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through its choice of Scots language as

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a vehicle for late modernist spiritual

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contemplation

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Lake spark and Scotland Creek was a

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convert

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but while she found considerable success

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as a writer of children's stories which

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are still in print her poetry in fiction

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for adults is now almost wholly

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forgotten and her husband also a

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literary convert is a better known

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though relatively neglected Scottish

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writer

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and her poem darge Scotland Creek writes

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now for a while said to your deathless

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flesh we heard the biding Bayern the

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high Sky loon and man made like to God

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us letters our Helix we catch inkling of

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the word and see the upstairs room the

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famous supper spread by Christ Jesus by

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wine and bread

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now I can understand if you find this

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language a bit impenetrable it's not

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easy for me and I'm Scottish

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Scotland Creek is deliberately using

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historical uses of Scots language here

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as part of the Scottish nationalist

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drive and to resist what poets saw as

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the cultural imperialism of English in

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the early Decades of the 20th century

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what we have here as a result is

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something that is perhaps outwardly

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quite difficult and is part of that

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modernist project but it's also intimate

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and tender

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the speaker talks about Humanity as sib

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to God's deathless flesh so sib in this

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context is a noun that is applied to the

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relationship between Christ and man

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viewed as a blood tie in the literal

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sense according to the Scots language

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dictionary and her poem ends with the

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sense of humanity our heal it or

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overtaken by Eucharistic vision

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and finally I want to give you a little

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glimpse into another Scottish vernacular

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language poet that now nearly entirely

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forgotten Jessie Annie Anderson

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Anderson's contribution to Scottish

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poetry has only very recently been the

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subject of an article by Charlotte Lord

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our very fine piece and she notes

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Anderson as a prodigious and eclectic

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working-class poet writer magazine

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editor and cultural revivalist of the

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early Decades of the 20th century

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she too was a convert and she wrote in

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Scots

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her poem at Sweet Mary Shrine is a

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lovely example of the richness of her

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Marian oov and it would have been

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published in magazines and periodicals

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she writes I'll sleep me soon

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and tender Ethan they're singing to the

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serest heart that our love yance was

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blython love broke my heart and got

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within he only tried to paint it how

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could love breaks he sort of the heart I

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never saw tahin it I tuck the simple

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eye-fold thing that's been sincerely

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sifted and lay it on sweet Mary Shrine

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and leave her grace to lift it

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and Sparks like Africa she knows the

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Zambezi what she called the seraphic

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River but in Anderson's work we see her

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reflecting gently on the sighing willow

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trees and the tender River Ethan a river

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in the northeast of Scotland which flows

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into the North Sea the river and the

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willow trees singing are singing to a

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heart which is lost love and which the

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speaker offers to Mary for consolation

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and solace

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there's much more to say about poems

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like these underlooked for decades but

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once a very popular feature of much red

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magazines and I'm glad to say now that

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there are burgeoning signs that this

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work is receiving the attention that it

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deserves and is being seen as another

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Rich part of the global Catholic

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literary imaginary I'll pass over to

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Emma now

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hi everyone

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so it's not too echoey

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so I'm uh Emma Mason and as Mark said

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I'm from the University of Warwick I

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work in the English Department there and

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I teach um

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mainly Christian literature and

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philosophy as well

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and I'm going to start with a brief

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extract from a poem by Jennings although

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I will be talking mainly about

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contemporary women who are sort of

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writing now

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um but Jennings was really the poet that

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I started to kind of think about

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Catholic women's poetry

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um

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mainly because she's a really popular

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poet in Britain

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and in America

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she's Catholic most of her work is

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religious and yet nearly all the

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criticism on her up until probably about

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10 years ago treated her completely like

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a secular poet and that was partly

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because the anthologies of her work were

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edited by Michael Schmidt who did say to

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me directly

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I'm not interested in religion I've

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deliberately cut all the religious stuff

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out of her work because I didn't think

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that she would sell if I left it in and

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of course Michael was very supportive of

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me doing my own addition which tried to

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put a lot of that work back but there's

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still quite a lot of work by Jennings

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that's unpublished including a really

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interesting essay called Rome that's in

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them the Jennings archive at Georgetown

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so it's sort of extraordinary that

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somebody that is relatively canonical

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for a poet popular is still not explored

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you know if that if that was somebody

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like even more I doubt there's anything

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that we're going to find by Evelyn Moore

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I mean I hope there is but I I doubt

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there are any boxes of un unknown novels

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in attics anywhere

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so I'm just going to say something

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before we get to listen to our poets

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about

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um

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the way in which academic study has had

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a very mixed relationship with their

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work

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now on the one hand those who work on

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literary historical philosophical and

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Theological questions are now very keen

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to acknowledge women writers and

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thinkers

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on the other hand higher education and

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I'm going to talk about higher education

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in the UK because that's what I know but

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listening to people yesterday it seems

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like it's widespread

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it tends to be very suspicious of

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Christianity

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which it charges with reducing women to

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an uneducated and naive ambassadors of a

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conservative if charitable social agenda

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but since their earliest writing

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Christian women have not just balanced

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compassion with profound intellectual

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and spiritual Insight but see them on a

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Continuum so that's I think part of the

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reason that they are often sidelined

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because there's a sense that their

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intellectual work works together with

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their emotional capacity and literary

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criticism isn't very good at kind of

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seeing

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um intellectual thought and emotion

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together it kind of wants to split them

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off so that there's difficult poetry

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here and there's emotional poetry here

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of course that's not true when you when

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you look at

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um most poetry

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uh so so art and compassion are

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connected and that's why I wanted to

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just quickly put up this um an extract

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from Jennings poem

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um

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Michelangelo's first payeto

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where Jennings identifies our lady as a

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kind of poet figure who joins art

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compassion

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carve a compassion older than you are he

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lies upon your lap

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what can you do but hold him with a

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trust you also fear

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thus Michelangelo saw what a girl may do

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for gods

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it's perhaps difficult to meaningfully

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align the work of Catholic women poets

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given the complexity and Nuance of their

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individual experiences

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however I do see identifying

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characteristics across the modern

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Catholic women but I've been reading in

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the last few years

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the Trinidadian British Vani Anthony

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Ezekiel capaldeo the Mojave Natalie Diaz

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the Australian Anne LV American poets

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Fanny Howe and Anne Carson

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Irish Rasheen Kelly Brazilian Adalia

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Prado Russian Elena Schwartz and British

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Hilary Davis Maria pachella and Sally

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Reed

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as a group Catholic women poets are

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often defined by their confessional

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negotiation of the ostensible strictures

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of the church through Dogma motherhood

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childhood sacraments prayer Nostalgia

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and the body both of themselves the

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Saints our lady and Christ

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the thought I'd like to offer today is

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that what gathers their poetry is a

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refusal of the secularized Scramble for

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Universal explanatory mastery

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this comprises a valuing of

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non-measurable forms of awareness in

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which to perceive spiritual time

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Now by this I mean that many of the

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women that I've just listed reject an

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intellectual imperialism that only

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esteems that which can be objectified or

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measured via money or classification and

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by that I'm thinking some of the

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comments yesterday also about the the

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valuing of um science engineering

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technology over literature and the Arts

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in contrast to that drive in higher

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education to basically make money these

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women find in the poem a language to

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enact presence perception contemplation

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and meditation vision and Faith Often by

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turning to metaphors and light sorry

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they have vision and Faith Often by

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turning to metaphors of light and

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darkness in which to Glimpse not grasp

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discern not master so it's really

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interesting listening to The Poets

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yesterday because so many of them

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talking about light and I was incredibly

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interesting I think many of the women

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that I'm reading are really interested

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in darkness and the relationship again

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between those two

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as Jennings argued in her 1961 book of

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essays every changing shape mystical

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experience and the making of poems in

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the complexities of poems we find fitful

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Sparks that's her phrase in which to

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find connections between a mystical

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sense of Union with God and a making of

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poems

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that is the making of the poem is a

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search for God

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now the poet Peter O'Leary Echoes this

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in his recent book on religious poetry

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in a secular age called thick and

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dazzling Darkness

24:06

and O'Leary reminds us that any search

24:08

for God takes us into a space of

24:11

darkness and in doing so he draws both

24:14

on God's appearance on Mount Sinai in

24:16

Exodus 20 in which Moses draws near unto

24:19

the thick Darkness where God was and the

24:22

image of the burning bush as a symbol of

24:24

the Visionary imagination

24:27

Jennings and Leary alike move us past

24:29

the facile questions that often

24:31

preoccupy secular critics which is

24:34

mainly does it believe it does a right

24:36

to believe in God or not you know that

24:38

that's all they sort of really want to

24:39

know and if they don't that's the end of

24:41

it and then they can they get to sort of

24:42

like leave it

24:44

behind and so moving us past that kind

24:47

of that question to focus on the ACT and

24:49

process of creation

24:51

um namely the making and thinking of

24:53

poetry and art I think it is is the more

24:56

nuanced question

24:58

um to ask I said there's a very nice

25:00

phrase that the Catholic philosopher and

25:03

poet and Kevin Hart uses where he talks

25:05

about poems uncovering and revealing God

25:08

in order to reveal them in darkness so

25:13

heart is is playing on the kind of sound

25:15

in English between the word reveal and

25:17

reveal

25:20

The Poetry Catholic women are writing

25:22

today encourages a poetic thinking and

25:25

bringing forth of awareness that

25:27

counters the thinking that dominates

25:28

most of the world

25:30

that is a means to an end approach based

25:33

on capital gain individualism

25:35

competition

25:37

overwhelmed by this instrumental thought

25:40

we have become like faulty radios we can

25:44

no longer tune into each other our

25:46

effective signals blocked by the white

25:48

noise of capital

25:50

but many Catholic women poets use

25:52

rhythms pauses and cadences that invite

25:55

the reader to empty themselves of this

25:57

everyday white noise and listen instead

26:00

to the indirect meanings of the poem

26:03

and as such I think that one of the

26:04

things they really offer or they've

26:06

offered me anyway is that they've made

26:08

reading into a process of kenosis a kind

26:11

of weakening of the self before God and

26:13

emptying of

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um

26:15

the anxieties of the self you know I

26:17

think about the sort of Mental Health

26:18

crisis that we have we can again talk to

26:21

the situation in the UK so so many of

26:24

the students are kind of so obsessed

26:25

with their kind of their self

26:28

um which produces a huge amount of

26:30

anxiety and of course very important for

26:31

them to kind of have a sense of self but

26:33

maybe it's sort of become a bit

26:34

overwhelming and that something that

26:36

kind of empties us of this and making

26:38

nothing of ourselves allows us to better

26:41

decipher the glimmer of meanings these

26:44

poems

26:45

um ignite

26:47

select their male interlocutors from

26:49

Gerard money Hopkins to David Jones Toby

26:51

Martinez de las Riveras to Tim Lilburn

26:54

Peter Larkin and John Dean women poets

26:57

reach for Transcendent and imminent

26:59

spiritual experience but women also

27:02

write within a poetic tradition that has

27:04

expected them to take the place of

27:06

patient vulnerable forebearing handmaids

27:09

the thick Divine darkness in which God

27:11

resides this becomes a refuge for them

27:13

in which to think and write away from

27:16

the sheer light of those who seek to

27:18

explain away the mystical and visionary

27:21

the gradations of Darkness from which

27:23

they write help defend a world whose

27:26

spiritual rhythms are disrupted by the

27:28

need for accountancy just as our

27:31

circadian rhythms are fatally disrupted

27:33

by light pollution I sort of very

27:35

interested in the kind of some of the

27:37

arguments around

27:39

light pollution the fact that you can

27:41

kind of when you look at the Earth from

27:42

space now it's just completely lit up

27:43

all of the time which stops as kind of

27:45

having any actual Darkness to kind of

27:47

reflect in and sort of thinking about

27:49

the sort of you know need for everything

27:51

to be lit up

27:53

um

27:54

and the parallel between that and the

27:56

kind of Enlightenment thinking which

27:57

wants everything to be explained away

27:58

otherwise we can't kind of tolerate it

28:00

and we haven't got any patience for it

28:03

this demand for absolute Clarity at all

28:06

times is redressed by the non-measurable

28:08

forms of awareness Catholic women's

28:10

poetry explores

28:12

for example

28:19

no too far there we go

28:22

in rushing Kelly's poem Easter we hear a

28:26

moment of luminescent renewal through

28:28

remediation on words and the agency they

28:31

Grant

28:32

you yourself are glowing with words they

28:35

move up and down you as if they're alive

28:37

the words bring themselves to me and

28:40

tell my tongue sweetness over and over

28:43

the words are everything with them I'll

28:47

turn water to wine at your wedding

28:50

the glimmer of Kelly's poem gives us an

28:52

image of light made strange by Sally

28:55

Reed in her poem Holy Saturday

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one that confronts our desire to retreat

29:02

into what feels familiar

29:05

when confronted by pain and encourages

29:08

the preparation and reflection needed to

29:10

anticipate the resurrection

29:12

and this is Sally's poem

29:16

this is the way of man to gather up the

29:19

body and shut it in and try uselessly to

29:22

go back to the way things were again

29:24

the Earth is bloodlogged blood feeds

29:27

each thoughtless weed in dark houses

29:30

women's ears are strummed by those last

29:33

cries

29:34

sounds that will not die and have come

29:36

to shape them as dry trees are cupped

29:39

around the Cry of long-spent wind

29:42

the light is strange says one and the

29:45

road is dull to the feet as though a

29:48

covering had been drawn across the sky

29:52

enmeshed in the horror of the

29:53

crucifixion the women who attended the

29:55

cross listen rhythmically to Christ's

29:57

last cries here as they resist the

30:00

attempt to go back to the way things

30:01

were

30:03

Christ's death brings a new kind of

30:05

strange light in which the sky and so

30:08

the heavens feel suddenly withdrawn but

30:11

the light is still there the poem

30:13

creates an abundance of possibilities

30:15

that counter a modern insistence on

30:18

Independent secularity and the Restraint

30:21

of the sacred

30:23

thus for Maria apachella and she's the

30:25

last poet I'll talk about today she is

30:27

also in your volumes of poetry that you

30:30

can scan

30:32

um

30:36

illumination is always accessible we can

30:39

always attempt to elucidate the promise

30:41

of the Divine

30:43

but it is communal moments of sharing in

30:45

everyday experience that make room for

30:48

God

30:49

here is poem 16 from her collection

30:51

sarmody

30:54

was it there

30:57

writ of Illumination where are you on a

31:00

Saturday night

31:02

do I need to wooy with candles why do

31:05

the cynical Thrive I've flung down my

31:08

life like a Turkish rug when will you

31:11

bring me home to your shelter

31:13

let me breakfast in wheat flaked

31:15

gratitude let all my feelings be simple

31:19

painless to share like cigarettes salt

31:22

directions to the black lion

31:26

in linguistic form these images salt

31:29

cigarettes the alcohol that you get when

31:31

you go to the pub the black lion

31:34

are all covenants of friendship and in

31:36

the poem becomes a metaphysics of

31:38

participation

31:41

so to paraphrase Fred moton poetry is

31:45

how we Fellowship

31:47

but without God such covenants can end

31:49

up in harmful protective

31:51

self-definitions that atomizes from each

31:54

other

31:55

with God the poem takes us into a

31:58

thinking of relation where we are

31:59

emptied cannotically of our complex

32:02

worldly selves and drawn into the

32:05

enduring commonality of identity in

32:07

Christ

32:09

asafachella writes at the end of this

32:11

poem

32:12

if you will not answer bandage me in

32:15

blankets of weakness strongly I really

32:19

love that phrase weakness strongly a

32:21

kind of weak a prayer for weakness and

32:24

holy undecidability in the anticipation

32:27

of actually Experiencing God and so kind

32:29

of being filled again so from from that

32:32

state of emptiness to kind of be filled

32:34

so that they're kind of again there's a

32:36

Continuum between these parent

32:39

um binaries light dark weakness and

32:42

strongness emotion intellect that

32:45

produces I think a very non-jewelist

32:47

experience for the reader

32:50

so that's what I've got to say and I

32:52

think now we're going to bring the poets

32:54

up aren't we marked so that they can

32:55

read some of these poems thanks

32:59

thank you

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