Clemente Carlos | Jornalista & Professor | O Jornalista do Povo Moçambicano 🇲🇿 | T1 Ep 28

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Welcome back to your

favorite podcast! But you can be very bad,

I'm Esmaela SAC, known as

chairman, and we have a

very special guest today, a very

special guest indeed, because he's a guest

chosen

by the audience. What I mean

by that is, of our 27 or 28 episodes that we

already have on air, in the comments there

was always someone there saying, "Please invite this person,

invite this person, invite that person,"

and the person is none other

than Mr. Clemente Carlos Clemente.

Welcome to the podcast! It's an honor to have you

here, and I'm really happy because, well, I didn't even have

time to call yesterday, I'm almost here, and

today we're recording, man! Wow, that's

really special people, and I

thank you for being here.

The audience wants you here, the

audience is very curious to know

about you, to have a space where you can speak

freely, without time limits, without

anything, where we can talk.

And well, I'll start with the following: yesterday,

when we were still doing a small briefing

here about

what we would have special to talk about

with you, those little ones, you didn't have one there,

one of the colleagues said, "Hey,

Clemente Carlos is..." A new Carlos Cardoso,

not only because of the CC but perhaps because of this

approach. The people, according to me, don't say it's

for the people, they think it's the people's journalist.

That's something much more. I

was very happy when I found out about that.

So, man, I'm here to find out a

little more. I already knew you when I

still worked at Miramar when

we did a photo shoot here at the time,

but after that, a lot of things happened

at the other TV station, and now you're there. And I just found out,

colleagues, that you were in

training in the States, where I think you're the

first to have this training.

First, just so I don't get ahead of myself,

but the truth is that the

United States always gives scholarships to journalists at

different times for

different courses, right? And I was invited to the

National Correspondents' Club, which is a

kind of

international correspondent program, is that it? Almost that,

we can say. Actually, it's a

kind of show, it's not a retreat

for journalists, for

international sympathizers who go there to gain some

experience, but rather to experiment.

Thank you for the invitation. Ah, it's a

great honor to be here. I admire your

work a lot. I'm a fan of

Mozambican music, even when I'm

abroad I follow it on YouTube.

Music from Mozambique, and note that

several videos I follow are

made by you. I must say the quality

is superb, congratulations on the work you've been

doing in this area, therefore

entertainment and more. Oh, and also

your team, right?

Very important, you know, an interview

where an interview is about us, is

n't it? And in fact, here we are talking about

the issue of the United States. In

fact, it was an experience in this sense,

a professional description to adopt,

African journalists with more

knowledge. Note that we were only 14

journalists, each from

their respective country. Okay, ma'am, you were the only

representative, well, at least on this

trip, in

this particular program. Oh, there were

14 of us, staying sub-Saharan, talking about us. We

were all there in the

Zambian

Ethiopia media. Well, I think you were

independent journalists, nothing, actually.

The invitation was directly from the

American government, okay? They, look, Clemente, dear,

because they,

as you know, Americans are

attentive people, they don't ignore people, and

through embassy staff they

managed to identify and invite

a series of interviews

and also presented some

work done by members on various

channels where I've been, and they

They liked it and also wanted a journalist

who was English-speaking. The program didn't

benefit from translation work

sometimes because they like the issue of

inclusion. Sometimes programs from the

United States understand the issue

of translation where the journalist may very

well not know how to speak English and have

someone there who can. But this time it wasn't like that,

they wanted someone who really had

mastery of the language. So think that

's also why it was one of the

favorites for this particular project.

That brings up the question of

your English training courses

in your former independent acquaintance, do

you do it for pleasure? How long have you been doing this? How did it

start before journalism? How do you

say English courses?

A very pertinent question. But before,

lately, you provoked Carlos

Cardoso. Look, this provocation from Carlos

Cardoso, I say that I receive it with

some apprehension because it's not necessarily a matter of

fear,

because even though I say I'm not

afraid, I also have a family, of

course. I can be not afraid and say I

'm courageous and face these

political issues, the criticism.

I remember it was a very direct one,

a last thing I saw, a

statement of yours on television, you... I don't

remember why because... But you were the

first to show your face.

Thank you very much. That's why I say that there are

actually double rations here, right? Mix.

On the one hand, I end this, say,

this honor, this nomination that the people have given me,

of being, therefore, a kind of

Carlos Cardoso magazine. In truth, I

'm not at that level because I

confess that, as a journalist, I have a

lot of information that I haven't even spoken about yet.

Why can't I

speak? Ah, we are very

small.

We, ah, journalists, are a class,

especially investigative journalists. I

have friends who do

investigative journalism in the field who know a

lot, just like me, but

my courage doesn't go as far as they have in

doing investigations. And many of them

usually write for

national and international newspapers, and when they

tell their stories, it's in the expectation that I might also

do a post about

these things one day. But I say that we are

small. Unfortunately, we don't have

any kind of protection, we don't have

any kind of security. Therefore, I

avoid talking about certain things. I talk

about what I know won't

cause me so many problems. And even

in this little that I say, there are many people,

my family is afraid, the

public. Sometimes my life... messages No, on

Facebook and other social networks, oh, be

careful, be careful, that's

already a lot for people, but I say that everything I

say doesn't even reach 30% of

Mozambique's problems, the remaining

70%. There are no journalists—I'm not saying there aren't any,

but there's a lot of fear of speaking out,

very seriously, of course,

terrible things that, unfortunately,

some rulers create their own

system if they want to, but it's not, and

unfortunately, it's forbidden to speak. Just to

give an example, you have an armed conflict

in Campo do Gado, and native journalists

on horseback didn't have access

to the conflict zones to be able to

report. But

journalistic work can't have brakes, that's for sure.

Carlos Cardoso, by the way, said in "Ofício

da Verdade" (The Office of Truth), it's forbidden every day.

Imagine the words! So we have to

work, and it's funny that on one of

those occasions, RT Portugal was given to

Mozambique to talk more about

Mozambique, but we know what that

means,

to what extent does the so-called freedom of

expression exist? That's why I say that what

I say is 30%, that's why it doesn't bother them,

I believe I don't bother the system

because I talk about things that are more youthful.

However, I won't stop speaking

because it's also hard for me to see

certain things and not have to speak. For

example, now there's a new

law approved according to which they will build houses

for parliamentarians in September, a

city. Satellite, one thing, spending

money now, the question is,

are parliamentarians the most

vulnerable group in the housing issue? Or do

we have doctors, or teachers, the

police themselves, man,

deputies there with big salaries and

perks? Well, I don't

see the need, that's why

I say, maybe let's

look at other professional groups that are

more of a priority, so to speak of what

someone once said here:

In my personal opinion, those who

are there in the parameter should be there

to serve the public, not to serve,

but that's what happens. This is obvious, and I'm

not afraid to say it. I

say, but I don't know how much money

must be generated there in Parliament, man, it's not a

small amount, man,

perks, houses, everything,

allowances, all that stuff that those

people have, man, for many of them we

see sitting there taking a nap sometimes,

so it's really on this day, that's why

I say there's a kind of... but you were

talking about this law of approval, what did you mean

by housing? What I really wanted to

question is whether this is the most

appropriate group for this, you understand?

But it was also a way of saying that,

on the one hand, positively, this

appointment that the people attribute to me is...

Therefore, a kind of replica—I won't

say a kind of Cardoso because he

's of a different dimension, it's

not that I know the work that

gentleman did, it was great, if it weren't for the fact that I hadn't

learned from life—so I

don't put myself in that category. I'm not

Carlos Cardoso. I'm very far from

being him. As I said, I left behind many things

that I don't even want to talk about because

we're

abroad. You

already have a very high regard,

exactly, and that's where I recognize

this affection that the people

attribute to me, this image, because it's very

good for me to realize that

my tears... After all, it's with... There are

many Mozambicans who identify with it,

who are also worried.

There are many people who don't have the so-called three

meals a day; there are many people who don't have them.

So when we're here talking about

these problems in our country, ah, it

confirms when we talk about corruption.

Why do we have to be afraid to

talk about these things if we are Mozambicans?

If we don't know, if we don't talk, there's no

governance. If we don't talk about corruption, who

will talk? It's the Brazilian. It has to be from

Brazil coming here to talk about Mozambique, or

we rely on those videos that the

Brazilians—I don't know if they are

Brazilians—it's already a system. So, on the

internet, they put the voice of a

Brazilian narrating... hum, did you know

that the former Minister of

Finance stole the money? So

we publish it in our voice,

why can't it be the voice of a

Mozambican

reporting these problems and repercussions?

Man, we all have fears. It

's because this coverage is generalized.

If everyone unanimously spoke about the

problems without fear, they wouldn't harm

anyone.

I say, and this is more than proven: the

people united will never be defeated. Because

here, the chant of "The people in power"

bothered many in power at night,

because they know that that is

the correct math for

change: the union of the people in power.

That has weight, doesn't it? It has weight, but it has weight

when we all say it's real. So, tell me something,

and I was very indignant

with the coverage of some young people

who aspire—I don't know if they aspire tomorrow—

to be rulers and so on, who

treated us as enemies because we

shouted "The people in power."

For example, I have two

Facebook accounts, and I have an account that has a page

on my account. I put photos

of... and many people, I don't know, from the party. I don't know

where she got indignant and I don't know

what some people are trying to say

because it's my Facebook and I

liked that singer. What's the problem

with honoring him on my profile?

I identify with what he

sings. I'm not afraid of that, and I'm

not afraid to admit

that I'm against corruption, that

I'm against governance.

So if he sings about such problems,

then I identify with him,

I identify with him, I am

also the song "The Young Man Who Lost the

Oil." I am also Innocence because

he lost something in a situation where

we simply want to have a peaceful

demonstration, a peaceful march,

because I was there that day too,

that guy who was the

firstborn and also had to flee, but

I ask what are we going to

judge? Why so much violence against a

group of young people who just want to march

peacefully?

So in this sense, I'm really

surprised when, after a few days, I come

here with speeches of "no, because I

like the state and I don't know what I called it."

Is it a coup d'état? Are we

then saying that our country is already

fragile? A hundred young people are capable

of staging a coup, that's what we're

saying.

All these cuts scattered throughout this

city, throughout this country, can therefore

be threatened by a group of young people without

weapons or anything. I think it's

relevant here; politicians should

think before they speak, because it's a

shame for friendly countries. People are already

hearing this again. Who didn't know that a

hundred young people in a

peaceful demonstration served as a threat to the central government?

Therefore, bringing such a fuss,

I think it's the most ridiculous thing, one

of the most ridiculous things the government has ever

done. And speaking

of the innocent young man who lost his oil, I

think the most correct thing the

president should have done,

as head of government, head of state, and

don't forget that regarding the

police and the army, the President is the

Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces and

defense of our country. It wouldn't have cost him anything to

appear and acknowledge the mistake and

apologize. Look, it was a mistake or an exaggeration,

I apologize, and we will attend to the

young man, give him top-notch care

at the hospital to see if he can get a

prosthesis or some kind of operation,

something. It's not about... At least that would be the

minimum they asked to have done, but

unfortunately nobody did. Turning a

blind eye to this situation, and I'm happy to be

betting on this podcast as an

interviewee where I can really

talk about these problems because we

start talking about who won't do anything

if we don't complain, if we don't cry

our tears, if we don't feel the pain of these

people, who will feel it? That's what I was

saying: Does it have to be a Brazilian,

a Portuguese, an American? Because then

we all start sharing, or what

this American said. But why does it have to be

an American coming to do

a report for VOA, whatever

the channel, and then we share it, and not, "

But you want me rich and you're being badly

governed, you're in trouble, I don't know what?" Why can't it

be us? Why are journalists,

for example, afraid? Oh no, if I

speak tomorrow the system might not

include me, but we don't need to be forced

because no system...

our job is to report the truth. That's not the job of a journalist. The job of a

journalist is to report the truth, to report the facts. That's not the job of a journalist. It's the job of a

journalist to report the truth, to report the

facts. What we call "

watchdog" is a linguistic expression used

to monitor where

public funds are going, where our

money,

the taxes we pay, is going, how

journalists are doing their

investigative work, and to ensure that

the money, oh, by chance, and so on,

the donations from abroad,

are being well spent, the money

from natural resources that I didn't know were

coming from, I've seen, for example, at level

18.

But don't we know how to

consume that

information correctly? Are we paying attention

to the work that gentleman was

doing? Do we share

that work so that more people

can have access to it? We're afraid. It's a

very sad comment that I see on

my page whenever I post something like this:

people say, "I don't

have a lawyer, why do we need one

now?" Do we need a lawyer to

be Mozambican,

or to be a citizen, someone who

participates in the political and

governmental process of their country? Or are you just

an individual, some guy? But a

citizen is someone who participates, who

contributes, not only by paying

taxes but also wanting to know

where that tax goes,

why the road isn't being built, isn't it? It's

all messed up because

this citizen... Why don't we have

public bathing areas? They've already started building

one here and another there, but it doesn't make sense to

build a bathing area here in the city, at the

Museum, or here in Guerra Popular if the

rest of the city doesn't have one. If in

other places, for example, let's say

in the vicinity of the

market park, the student residence, the performance area, there is

n't one near the

State building, talking about somewhat

busy points. If

the neighborhoods don't have them, why don't the neighborhoods

have recreational centers? Why ca

n't the kids in the neighborhood play

basketball like some of the kids here in

the city do? Why can't the kids in the

neighborhood have access to

a school with desks and

electricity like the kids in the city?

After all, aren't we all

concerned? The

wood is burning, they're already leaving here for China,

all that stuff.

Here we are in this poverty.

2023 also has this revolting thing.

We see reports, even in the

cold weather, which is Maputo, I'm not even talking about far away, I

'm talking about here, a kid, even

today, man, hashtag, through

journalists. That's why I get

revolted. At some point, why

Most of us, all of us, but you as

journalists are the ones who bring this up, so the

people can't say everything at once,

but they feel it through you. We trust

you to do this work, right?

But I myself, the people, are the same people

who often give the impression to the

rulers that these rulers are

a blessing in their lives. Because,

for example, if I go to a

march in the countryside,

nobody will run after me,

only the journalists, even though I talk about the

people's problems. But if, I don't know, a

politician is out there in the market walking around,

everyone will go because they're running

after him. What does he have that's so special, a t-

shirt to offer? That's the

big concern. We sell

for very little, very cheaply. Therefore,

the time has come for Mozambicans to have,

in a kind of rally there in the middle

of the people, an opportunity to

interact with the president, with the

governor, with the minister, with the

Secretary General of the Frelimo party, to

ask questions without the secretary. Why is

n't this working, why is

n't that working? There's

interaction, there's an opportunity to

interact with the president. Ask the

president why, for example,

our children are still struggling to this day. They sit on the ground,

why can't we ask

the president this question? It

's easy, because it's just the present,

everyone's waving a little

flag, I don't know what, are we all

happy? Well, it's more or less

in this sense that I get a little

confused sometimes, trying to

understand if the people are really

suffering or if they're doing well. I

'm not saying there's nothing good

to talk about, it's Mozambique, there are few things, of

course, some good things, although few,

that are happening, but the problems

we are facing, so these

good things, that's why we have to

talk about these problems, so we can

reverse them. I called, I

speak, and I will speak here in this space.

It's curious to me

how the children of the rulers

play with money when you have

families sleeping without food. It's

curious to me how the

rulers can travel to Europe and the

United States, stay in hotels,

pay daily wages, therefore, without 200

police officers, and these are the same police officers who

are suffering, some also

members of the army.

It's curious,

but the children of the rulers can

travel wherever they want, spend money,

and nothing happens, and they keep importing

cars... We see them in the cars, we

know who these guys are, they

make videos and post them, they

import cars, so they're very prestigious,

but it's the country where doctors are on strike

because they receive bribes, or because there are several

complaints, or because the hospital doesn't

serve decent food, or because

overtime isn't being paid

properly, but for the children of the

government officials... Oh man, it seems like it's

like a Hollywood inside

Mozambique, nothing can be lacking, nothing can be lacking,

and they're the same children. I

don't understand why, for example, the

president's son can slap an

individual, a family man, and nobody

says anything because people are afraid.

I think he was one of the only people

who publicly criticized the station.

Why does the president have to hit

people?

I don't know, but the day I have the

opportunity to meet that gentleman I'd

like to interview...

When was this humiliation, to be slapped

in the face just for scratching the

car? He's hitting, you know, hitting? Why did

this happen?

And then those security people go

there to threaten the gentleman, threaten the gentleman. He

's not Mozambican, he doesn't pay taxes. The

president, when he said that the

Samikana people were... His boss didn't lie, they

're working for us, we're the ones who

pay for all that, that's why I'm

calling him out in particular, without envy, without

malice. I'm not going to use a popular slogan, I do

n't pay attention when I see a

government official or a government official's son

squandering money like that, I don't pay attention. I can

call you every day, wake up, come to

your studio and do

your work, Eduardo, and then you can

buy a machine, I pay attention, I

take my hat off to you, an

honest worker, because what am I going to pay attention to a

guy who simply does some "Lobos" here, I do

n't know what, makes some contracts with neighbors, hey,

on invoices or the state, steals,

has a shady deal with some friends,

diverts money, public funds? I have

to pay attention to that guy, who would

n't do that if they were in that

academic environment? They don't understand anything, nothing.

I want to see the government official who's going to lift

the kids off the ground. That red one, I'm

going to take my hat off to him, when he passes by I'm going to stand there,

so I'm going to be static, saying "come

here," but I'm not going to be rude to a

guy who I know is part of a group

and is sinking the country, why do

I have to say "come here"?

Nobody has to. What to do?

And then I don't have a lawyer, so why should

two Mozambicans talk about their problems

so we can see if we can solve them? When

this voice is more audible, the resolution

of problems will be faster, man. It's

all explained now. A child who doesn't cry

doesn't get fed, the mother thinks everything is fine.

So we have to cry about our

problems. I do

n't know if you understand, I

understand that some people

also revolt me ​​to see all this, man,

but I don't see, I don't know how

we're going to overcome this.

I ask, for example, now, OK,

local elections are approaching, next month

they're coming up.

Personally, in my personal opinion, this

new candidate who's coming to the party,

for me, was someone I didn't

know, I'd never heard of him,

and suddenly, bam, he's already there, he's been

selected. I would like it to be someone

who has a history,

someone who identifies with him, for

example,

these things already hinder things. For example,

look at the elections now, then there were... After

5 years, during those five years that

passed, the work... we're starting to see

now, style, where are they? They make

little noises in Parliament,

things like that, but activities, things like that, that

we can see palpably... we're

starting to see now, two months before

the elections, maybe, man. I'm making a

point of supporting the Angolan people. I have

great respect for Angolans, a

special hug for someone who is

doing a fabulous job, and in fact, there

are several street performers, for example, the

comedian. He's not necessarily

embracing the political cause, but when the

Angolan people came together to support this

new figure, Liberta da Costa

Júnior, from the opposition, who brought a

much more accessible electoral manifesto

than João Lourenço, who is the

president and therefore won, it was about

entering into the politics of another

country. Each country has its problems,

so it's not

very elegant to talk about other

countries, it's not very elegant.

Therefore, I won't go

into our house of

those elections, but most

of my Angolan friends didn't

identify with the victory. That's all

I can say. I wish I could say

more, but I can't because this is a

matter of courtesy.

However, some artists, like

Gilmar, were right next to

Costa. This is an incredible thing to

see. I'm not saying that the party doesn't

deserve this

ovation, this recognition of glory and honor,

and everything else I'm

saying. The thing is, unfortunately, in this problem

in Mozambique, the parties that brought

independence leave much to be desired, unlike the father, I do

n't know

exactly in South Africa. So, I'm

looking for alternatives now. What I

see in Mr. Big is a cover-up.

You see, for example, singers—I won't

mention names because I didn't know them yet—

most, unfortunately, are

a mindless one. It's not that sometimes it helps

much, that's why it's good to read, it's good

sometimes to get out of Mozambique a little, even if it's just a little trip

to South Africa. Well,

sometimes they travel a bit because

we're not very daring. I'm not talking about

the financial aspect; I know

Mozambique isn't money, so

some Americans even travel, but they can't

lack finances, but we don't

know about their capabilities, and they don't

travel. I say this because it's necessary

to explore other geographies, to have other

cultures to see if it opens up a little. If

I were to mention a list of

singers who have been cowardly in

this political issue, I would be called

envious. Oh, yes, envious, and it's happened

to me several times. They envied the

success of people X, they envied that

person. So I won't mention names,

but I wanted to say the following.

We have great singers here from

the vanguard of our culture who would

therefore be our style ambassadors on

various fronts; however, they are the

first to run away, to tuck their tails

between their legs and disappear. They only

remember the people at shows

when there are festivals, shows

where people have to buy tickets and

put money in their pockets, but when the

people need them... From a spokesperson who says the

government, this isn't all of them, and sometimes

things are obvious, things are

obvious. For example, when

Asa Gaia died, what was the problem with

singers showing up? Tell me, what was the

problem? Does the government even have

a list that says, "Oh, call them, I'm coming!" It

's all ignorance. The government doesn't

have any list because people

are free to express themselves, the so-called

freedom of expression. They don't need to,

for example, show up and say, "For example, it's

just an example, at six o'clock, they don't need to appear, it's

no good, they don't need to say this, they don't

need to say that." But people

can, at some point, show up and say, "

Look, I identify with this

peaceful demonstration, the people weren't

violent, there weren't any weapons."

Therefore, the people can't just do that. And I don't know if you

understand the difference, he's not

demonizing the party, he's not

abusing the government, he's just defining

a right that is enshrined in our

Constitution, article 51, the right to

assembly and demonstration. That's all

we need. For a singer to do the

famous "influence," whatever

name we want to give it, that's what

we need, to say, "No, I

am too." With these people, because I see

an injustice:

the young people were blocked, they were

trampled, they were beaten, and the other one,

therefore in this case the innocent one, ended up

losing the oil, although there were two, there's

another one who also suffered the same situation,

so we need people to

sympathize with this pain.

We are saying that they should leave, they

are from the family, ah, leave your party, the

party is no good, no, that's what we

're saying. The party, for me, is good

for those who are from the family,

for those who sympathize with it, and

we have to respect that. I am

not a party member, but I

am not apolitical, which means that I

participate in the political process of my

country. So I don't have a party, that's why I

say the party. I spoke because there are

good people there, there are people who are even

concerned about doing things that can

improve conditions. But they are few

people, the majority unfortunately use the

party precisely to enrich themselves. It's a

door because if they know who to call, they have

a card, they facilitate several things, so

people prefer to be on that

safe side because this side where we

are is the most difficult, you know, it's the most

difficult to be, therefore, to question the

government, to question the The presidents

sometimes do a live stream, make a video, and the

next day we're making a

video. Contrary to what

the president said, it's not quite what he said.

For example, once I was at

Ilusões Unidas and I said that young people

speak, the next day I did a live stream, we didn't

talk because they talked on Facebook. It's

different, for example, from me speaking in the

Assembly. It's different. I'm not saying it has to

be me to talk about young people, it

's different from young people being invited to the

presidency. Not because the

president has the right to have lunch with the

president, not just talk about young

intellectual critics,

university graduates, masters

trying to discuss with the president, a

guy who has a subject. The president said, "

Whoever has lunch, let's say

young people speak." No, this isn't speaking. We

are not represented by those young people

they released the president to.

Because we are not against any kind of

pejorative language used by the highest

magistrate of our country, but we don't

want young people as president. But we

want the president not to

be afraid to talk to young people who

criticize, not just young people, because if you

told me, for example, the

youth organization on the ground, that youth doesn't

represent all of us, I respect that, it's from the

party, it represents the youth of the

party, I respect that. Now, don't tell me

that that group represents me

because it doesn't,

and I'm not here to denigrate

or speak ill of anyone, but you have to tell the truth.

If they put me, the son of a

government official, to talk about

Mozambican youth, you'll see that you'll have

difficulty. Why? Because he knows that's where he's

from, therefore where he also aspires to

one day arrive, and so on. And he also

knows all the good things he's had throughout

his life came from there. But if you

ask us, the children of... it's just one

example, isn't it? But I'm also part of

this group: children of the unemployed, of the

master, the children of guards, children

of teachers and nurses.

We'll have a different story to

tell you because, first of all, we don't

have any. Some don't have the

political breath, others don't have

hope. Some even have

political inspiration but no hope. There are many

bright young people in the neighborhoods, but they

aren't given opportunities because they are

children of... I tell nobody, nobody

knows us. Inside, in the dances, they are dead young people,

studious young people. Some pulled

for 10 seconds, but they have the head,

wanting to go far, they couldn't get in.

In truth, there are few. Some even

got a degree, but also...

They achieve nothing; some have

degrees and get jobs paying

7,000, 10,000, or 12,000. What is the hope? That's why

when they succeed, they go to

South Africa,

and some, with a bit of luck,

excel. Some are unlucky and end up

suffering xenophobia; they may have

their lives on the verge of losing it,

but they are searching for an Eldorado,

searching for better conditions. But if we

here in Mozambique professionalized

sports in the true sense, tell me, would

n't we have more jobs?

We would invest in the true

sense. Look, young people, universities are

also going to be rubbish. Whoever is good at

basketball, whoever is good at football, whoever is

good,

and we pay their salaries, so on the

one hand they have academic training,

on the other hand they are representing the country.

Because they will be high-performing players, but

we trivialize sports. This place

is becoming a cell, a whole thing. The guy

is only looking for money. When he

wakes up,

money, and nobody cares about

anyone. Instead, in traffic, nobody

respects a grandma crossing the street; they run her

over or almost run her over, they brake and

get indignant. Why is this? Old

man, the city isn't just for buying a

car,

the city belongs to all of us. We have to

respect traffic, we have to

respect pedestrians, just as

we want to be respected when we're in a

car, because once you get out of your

car, pedestrians are too. But

people have an arrogance, a rush to

get to work that sometimes prevents you from even

completing your

journey. Because then, if there are accidents

on the road, you ruin your day and also the day

of the next person who also won't be able to get

to work. It's all about

your car and theirs, precisely because

everyone only thinks about money and the

human aspect starts to disappear. I'll

give you an example from other places where

you're crossing, even if it's not

green for cars, imagine they

stop and respect you, even if it's not

green for them, but they're in a

hurry and everything, but they'll have to because

they understand that human life is more

valuable than my reason. But I

was seeing... Look, let's be more

kind, let's be more loving and compassionate

towards others. But when you're

down,

man, looking around, people are

stressed, man, people are dragging themselves along.

Life is hard, every day is for money, it's

not enough, it's not enough for anything. Everyone

wakes up already stressed, anxious,

stressed, depressed, these are the diseases of the

world. This is all being caused

by that. Clemente, you need a

clear mind, you need a sound mind, focused...

Man, I don't see it, man, few

people can achieve that nowadays,

man. You wake up stressed, already

worried. Oh, life is hard, man. What

you're saying, a graduate, the

salary, etc.,

nothing, man. And one of the things that also

reminds me now, I was here in a conversation,

meeting someone one day, one of the things

he said that really stuck with me, what

happens is that there's no

accountability, man, there's no

accountability. People are going to screw up, they're going to be doing things, they're going to

misspend

public money, all that is going to

happen, but accountability, my

friend, people... In other

places, for example, the level of production,

how was the position made available,

but here, you steal from the people and

become a hero somehow,

people are using... That's why I'm going to

leave it as a

provocation,

ask, for example, the... There are annoying coups

happening in Africa, whether I agree

or not. I'm a person, I had a

Christian upbringing, so you can

imagine that regarding the issue of violence,

I'm against it, right? But as

time goes by, we

start to embrace other philosophies of

thought, and I'm not saying that now I'm

pro-violence, no,

but now I understand why certain

attitudes generate certain reactions. For

example, I agree with the

states themselves, no, I don't agree, but I

identify with the pain of the people

in those countries,

I identify, I identify. You have Alibongo, the last one

here in Gabon, man,

they seized a mountain of money,

no, I'm not talking about the son in his palace,

that one with the son was the video that

came out, the first

president, and they also seized a pile of

banknotes, cash. That's why

at some point you also question the

role of the West when they preach the

issue of Democracy. Oh no, because it has to

be someone who is

democratically elected, up to that point everything is fine, but

you know that there are

electoral frauds, they know very well that

several countries

in sub-Saharan Africa, in particular,

many governments are not following the

so-called democracy.

Leomar,

autocracy or dictatorship, however you want to call it,

but it's not democracy, and they know what they're doing. That's why

I say he

started embracing other philosophies,

not that I'm pro-violence, let's make that

clear, but you know this guy...

Look, for example, what

system are we following when we talk about growth? It

's not

this first five years, then the

second five years, then

another guy comes in, maybe from your party, but there has to be a

change.

They change the constitution, they alter a

constitution to allow the four and

hot commanded to further their

own monetary and

Western interests. See, this is my question:

at this moment, when this constitution is

changed to allow this

permissiveness in government, they

say nothing. Meanwhile, when the military

revolts against this situation, then they speak up. So, are

they

happy

with our misery? We make

money from this. Are they

happy with our misery,

man? I think so. It doesn't make sense.

They know that these guys privatized

the mines, for example. Who

owns the mines? We don't even

know the criteria, and we don't know what

the criteria are for having a daughter,

but we do

n't know why. We've been taught

not to question these things while

they and their children go on exploiting things. Go ahead and look, there

are lists of

mine owners, former combatants and their children, or

government officials and their children. It's like

that old saying that all the

children of former combatants have

free access to university, and I don't know what... Now

I ask, don't

the children of non-combatants

have rights? I'm not saying to

despise former combatants, that's not what

I'm saying, but we

know that there

are very few public universities.

If they haven't managed to restore dignity, will

we see what happens to their children?

That's what we have to understand. And

even if we want to

give some honors to

former combatants in a fair way, I

don't see any problem with that. But I'm saying that what's

happening is that some former

combatants' children have already graduated,

what do they do? They don't reject that

place, they sell it. Some combatants'

children don't want to know about school, they've gotten into

drugs, a life of crime, and they don't want to

study. What do they do with those

places? They sell them.

So the question is... Is it really worth

assigning [something]? I have complaints

here from young people who say they paid for

places, therefore, and former combatants, and

that they weren't assigned.

People send these complaints, I

receive texts and tests daily on

my Facebook, people crying, "I paid, but I

was supposed to be

assigned a place just to

keep the combatant afloat, which is

causing trouble."

But how do I even begin to talk about this

problem? It goes to television, it goes to

Facebook, it goes to YouTube. It's also a problem

for me, at the same time I can't expose

the complainant.

But I also have to talk about these things,

like where [something]

starts, my good channel, actually I

have a podcast, but we work on the

English language, it's a continuation of those

classes I was talking about when, by the way,

remembering the question you

initially asked about English classes,

why do I teach English? Because

my way of giving back to the community is

tailored to my needs. It's my way of

helping, we know that one of the

primary things in a curriculum is

English, so I know that many young people

don't know how to speak English, even if they would like to,

but they don't have anyone to study with. What do

I do, of course? I also teach, I

already give private lessons, but I

also teach as a

social responsibility,

to help people, so I use

Facebook, there you can find the

available lessons and learn, and

for me it's an honor. He doesn't know how

happy I am. I called and received a

random message on Facebook, "Look, it's

Clemente, Clemente, how do you address me?

I'm taking

English classes and I'm learning. I had a

test, but because I watched

some of your classes beforehand, I did well. Oh, I got a

good grade because I'm following the classes, this is very

rewarding for me.

Thank you very much. I'm taking your classes

because I want to go to the United States,

I want to go to England, and it's

helping a lot because I'm already understanding

English better through your classes, this

is very rewarding." So that's it, when

I said that I don't get along with all these people, it's

because they're not doing

anything,

they weren't doing anything, but if they

start working to improve

our lives, to make life easier for a

few, then I will actually get along with them,

when we see desks in schools, when we

see good roads, when

we see hospitals that

really work, when we stop thinking that

South Africa is our solution. No, it's not

our solution. Our problem is

corruption. When we eliminate

corruption and actually build

internationally standard hospitals, we'll send

our students to study

abroad and they'll bring back a

perfect society. Therefore, we won't

have this problem. But how can we have a

perfect society if the singers,

musicians, and artists who could talk about this

problem... You know why? They all do it, and

when we talk, they criticize us. Is

n't there anything good

happening in Mozambique? Then they say, "

Find solutions!" This is one of the

biggest lies governments

have come up with in recent times: saying

that young people should find solutions. What solution?

Sitting at a table like this and

discussing solutions? This is worse than a

farce, and I'll explain

why these people invented it. I'll

explain why: they keep all the

money, all the resources, all the

education contracts, for road construction, for

companies, I don't know what, schools,

public or private data, I don't know, the

construction of hospitals, schools—it's

all in their hands. Then they say, "Stop

criticizing, find solutions!"

This is the most stupid thing these

people... I want a government official to

invite me to a debate. I challenge

anyone, whoever it may be, who

invites me to a debate to prove to me

that sitting at a table like this and

young people discussing solutions helps the

country, because I say it doesn't help at

all. This is the worst, and I am therefore one

of the defenders of this philosophy. I want

Americans to wake up to this. It's the

worst of the lies they invented

after privatizing the mines, therefore

the precious stones, after

legalizing abortion, the diversion of

funds and everything else. They appear saying

we have to find solutions without money. They

also want solutions, lend me your

chair for a year, a

loan, and therefore access to these

public funds. In fact, these are our

days. Let us therefore put someone

we trust to manage these

funds. We will have solutions. I do

n't know if you understand now,

we sit at a table and discuss what

solutions we are just having a

conversation and pointing out problems. You're not

saying any solution, clearly

identifying all the problems, but

no solution will come out. It's not that even when

we start naming these so-called

solutions, they take those papers

and put them away. When those, for example...

They've already appeared and said, as a result of the

youth discussion, we're going to build a

school in district x as a result of the

youth solution. Now that the youth

have pointed out the methods, they were much better, or

the military police, whoever it is, we're going to

increase [their numbers] because the youth brought

this as a solution. I don't know if it's

necessary, it's not that it was necessary. Tell me, let's

list the problems. They say the

problems are many, we don't need to

say that. The argument now is that we have to

point out solutions, but what solution

is in money, without power, and everything is

therefore privatized?

Why can the son of a ruler

be in the biggest private school in the

country, have access to English, character,

swimming, basketball, for

example, stories, a

thousand dollars a month, exactly?

How many children does he have?

One is not, most have two, three,

four, they are all the same or of the same

standard,

and mind you,

good students. We go to school by

bus, we see that, we said,

therefore already driving or with a driver,

and

the level of expenses, throwing parties,

inviting girls and so on, and at the

end

of those years, it's not normal to spend money on

a certificate, where a diploma is barely

worth buying, the hell, they come to

deliver it at home, not even here,

but to obtain it they had to buy it

because they have no knowledge

and it is... The same guy they're going to put in

as Minister tomorrow because he's the son of

a big company,

or maybe even one of

these big companies, most of

which are public and even private. Because

even some private companies, to enter the

country, if it's not with their Vale [a Brazilian government agency], they won't

enter. So

I'm not saying that government officials do

n't deserve to have a two-

story house with a pool and everything, that's not what

I'm saying. What I'm saying

is that, knowing that this education is

so bad that they sent their children

to private schools, they should do something to

improve it. That's what I'm saying.

I'm not saying that

the children of government officials studying abroad shouldn't go

to school in a private car or

with a driver, or even drive themselves. That's not what

I'm saying. What I'm

saying is that a

government official's child

studying abroad has the right to all the

luxuries

that come from their father's salary, and not to

scams. Because every time there's a

corruption scheme... But the regression

of the country, for example, the hidden debts, we

all saw the crisis that ensued,

we all paid for it, we are paying for it, we

are paying for it. It is in this sense that I

am... Tell me now what the problem is, you've

already managed to send your son

abroad, what's the problem with your

son taking the bus with us so

that he can learn to be more

empathetic, to be more... It's social; he

also understands the difficulties. When he

returns, he'll know there are

problems, but you don't put your child

inside an illusory and even fictitious box

of luxury. You have people living a life

that doesn't reflect the reality of the

country they're in. That's why we

had this week, this

past week, the son of the president of the

Central African Republic

slapped someone in the face. I don't know if

you'll be able to get this

image and add it to this podcast so

people can see it. He slapped

an employee in the face. So I think he

's a friend of immigration. A Russian slapped a man,

a much older man than

him. The young man, a guy in his 20s or

22s, slapped him. But why? Because

you put people, you have children, in a box

of exaggerated luxury. You know what they

say? No, life is what I'm not going to give

my son. They forget that it was precisely the

life they didn't have that made them

who they are. This is a philosophy that

most of the people in my household, who

was actually the owner of a

school where I worked as an

English teacher, held. This

So, the lady was the owner of the school. She

said what she did was that if he had less [of these things], today

it's the difficulties that I think are

worth your son. That was

it. So you're putting your

son in this little box, so... from me and

tomorrow the guy... Not exactly. And tomorrow the

guy won't have any idea of ​​the difficulties.

This guy that we're going to put in

as Minister tomorrow,

and then don't be surprised if he doesn't know what an "

I love" is. What

is an "I love" doing

motorcycle taxis? Because it never went up more,

and unfortunately,

whoever complains about these things is seen as

an enemy because we are training

ourselves to love our

enemy and hate our brother. What

complains about with young people... if you go to

see a... nothing of young people coming from

your art man. Ah, because he doesn't

like a match, I'm not obliged

to like your party.

I'm demanding that the rulers who

left your party come back. To

César... What is César? I'm not

obliged to like your party, I'm not

obliged to show off red, you have

no obligation to

do so. I can simply

choose to be neutral, just as I am on

election day. Who am I going to vote for? I

want to,

and nobody needs to question

why I won't have one of those things they

thought or expected me to do.

Everyone is free. Go ahead, nobody

will stop you. Keep going

- Serramo. Go ahead, nobody

will stop you, but don't come here

bothering us because we are defying

your political expectations. We

are not happy with

how the country is being governed, and

we are raising our voices in this

sense, and nobody has to be more

or less Mozambican based on their

political background. It's just a group, it's

just an organization, it's like

a private company, a private enterprise that

is acting in the country,

and we have no obligation to be,

therefore,

apologists for a one-party system, a

dictatorship in a way, man. That's it. Hey

everyone, turn off the air

conditioning, I'm already scratching a bit

here,

so it's more or less in that sense.

This is my vision for the country to improve,

which we don't call anyone. I

'm not saying that the rulers

shouldn't be rich,

necessarily they should be rich

to talk about being answered with a good

week and a salary. Because they already

receive enough, you know, for a

guy in Mozambique, let's say a lawyer, a

journalist, a teacher, a doctor

receiving between 20 and 60

meticais, man. Yeah, but I wanted you to

understand the following: if with those 20,000

to 60,000 meticais you can send your children out of school with dignity, you can, with some persistence, after I don't know 20 years, have a decent house, like three, I don't know what, man, if you achieved that in the range of 20,000 to 60,000 meticais salary, how can

a government official who receives 200,000 or 300,000

meticais not achieve

this? To say that at the end of the day,

the corruption we have

in Mozambique isn't justified, it's not justified because

they already have the state, they already give them

more than enough to

live,

more than enough, a

salary of 20,000 to 60,000 meticais,

but things get better, and after some

years of hardship, you have a house like

three, I don't know what, it's not enough for anyone, man, even

the salary,

obviously, here and there, it may seem like

a huge sum, even if it goes from 60 to 80

months, you're going from 40 to 60, from 20 to

40, so in those months of live streaming you manage to

do something more, however after 10,

12 years... Wow, three... when dignity do you have?

Reading your little mouse in the backyard is

n't enough for anyone. Now we're

talking about... I think you have 300, 400 bucks, but it

's still not enough.

How am I going to get more

ambition, greed, man, power, as they say, right?

You always want more, okay? Today

you traveled in the same class, tomorrow you wouldn't. Say, "

Tomorrow I'll build a building," ask me.

Can the same people make this statement in

government today? Can they appear publicly

and say, "If I build a building,"

ask me. Today I have a building,

man. You ask where the jail cells come from to have

buildings today, and if you have buildings,

where do you get the money?

Where do our children, the children of the

presidents of our countries, get

money to get on the Forbes list

as the richest in Africa? Money

for you to play with. And it's not a small amount,

man. And now my question is,

can your son stay I don't know how many

nights in Europe in the most expensive hotels?

Your son, then, when you have the money...

Other children have more money than

you had. I don't know, I don't

know, your children are walking around,

don't complain, the hospital lack isn't about

money, the doctor wanted to go

on strike, people we know who have spent their

whole lives working in the public sector,

and this same public sector that they say

whoever wants to get rich doesn't go to the government, they

go to the private sector, but we

understand, people in the government who have

much more money than the private sector, it's

not

really worrying, they gave exemptions, it's a

free trade zone, they consider it that way,

all the money went where do you think, do you really

want to change, they didn't pay, they didn't pay

anything, like

many others, right? There are several, we also

had the case of those classes or some

time you mentioned, some friends only

kept more of what

the bosses of those tax entities, I do

n't know what,

from the car they drive to the mansions they

live in. You go to the

nice neighborhoods, they talk inside, but finding

mansions, man, they are guys, it even gives

tax authorities.

Go, man,

where is the country going? Well,

the country, man, is worrying.

We have to put an end

to this corruption game because

otherwise we won't get anywhere, it

will happen, man,

with 2.2

Billions of dollars, you put it on a

level where Africans will come here

asking for jobs as slaves, just like we

are slaves in South Africa.

This is an issue

to understand, but if you took that

cue stick and you built those roads,

schools, and revitalized those industries,

because in fact,

several industries already existed, they continued

after independence or

all that mess. Several

engineers and technicians were white,

but you would bring everything back, you would resurrect all

those industries. There were few,

man, we have beautiful, beautiful people, we have a

country that is, man, it was our neighbor's.

So if you took that cue stick and you

really invested, it should be invested,

man, you had those Africans,

but you preferred to put them in the pockets of a

bunch of people, people who,

when it's time to be judged, start

here, therefore, being protected,

because a good part of those who pocketed the

money weren't even judged, it's just a facade, it's

only for another part of the

group,

and I ask, when they get out, won't I

recover the money they have?

So, in journalism, there's one

thing I usually say on

television, I usually say that... Crime does

n't pay, but it seems that this

line of thinking of mine is being undermined.

Crime is

paying off. I'm thinking

that I'm going to make that detour, right? A

short time ago, there was a

government entity that also deals with

financial matters; there was a huge financial hole,

but out of nowhere they stopped talking about that

problem. But there was a financial collapse,

because our sinners can research

the big thefts. Some fled

to South Africa, I don't know what.

Let the dust settle. Where to return,

where to divide money with the bosses?

These are the palaces that appear in the

expanding neighborhoods out of nowhere, these

mansions, these cars, and at the end of the day, it's all

vanity, vanity is all vanity, everything

will go wrong because nobody is eternal, one

day we will all leave. Now my

question is, our life here on earth: Was it worth it to have

known Carlos, or

was he just another individual who passed through our lives?

For our life to be worthwhile on

earth, we have to serve. What is

serving? It's being honest, governing,

governing,

giving back to the people what they

want, because in truth all the

wealth that these people are accumulating belongs to the

people. Governing is giving back, facilitating.

You You're a facilitator

for individual enrichment. A scene from the

chain of events: I was talking with some

friends and they were saying that

only guys who already have their

lives made, the businessmen

who have money, should go into government. It's not a problem.

I'd say it even works in some

countries, we know, for example, in the United States, a

big businessman wasn't there to

steal, right? I'd say I'm a

little afraid of that math

because

the rich guys

in Africa...

Even though it has nothing to do with the

government, just guys who don't have much

interest in this political management thing

and all that. We're talking about

countries...

Can you live outside of politics just

fine? It's not tied to any decision,

true freedom, true

democracy. We politicians, for example,

before businessmen, politicians are

here to guarantee

business interests. They'll go into power

to contribute with those quotas, for

example. You have campaigns now

making donations, I don't know what, it's to

facilitate, for example, if you, through

my house,

please,

that tender there, it's for you. You and I

can be businessmen. We're here in the

country with Madeira,

I'm not from the party, you are. If the police

stop us, it's very...

Your path can be cleared very easily at the

leaders' meeting. But not mine, because I'm not

from the party, I'm not in that

vanguard, in that group. The politicians, then,

are... But in this sense, you see many

people rushing to join not because they

really want to serve the people, but

because of these opportunities. Now,

let me explain my philosophy for

governance. If, for example, you told me

if I were president, what would I do?

Point number 1:

fight corruption.

Some people once condemned me for

writing on Facebook: if I were

president, the first thing I would do

is build penitentiaries,

build prisons, given what

happened. It

's a country now in

Latin America, man. The president is young, it

's not Venezuela, man, it's

not what it's like

anymore. The guy, man, built

a penitentiary.

Colombia, it's not Colombia, he doesn't have a prison.

Honduras, neither,

I'll research it. I'll see, but the first

thing he actually did was that: a

penitentiary. Everyone

in the comments is talking, but in my

own thinking, I say the first

thing I see is building a

penitentiary. What's the purpose of doing that?

To turn on the other air conditioning,

at least. One, right? That guy who was really

hitting people, but others can call me. Whatever happens,

I

built the penitentiaries and started

prosecuting people. So I'm showing with the

most B that

whoever wants to follow this example will

have this end. But some friends say, "No,

we're not entrenched, okay? I'm not going to go in right away.

I'm sending people to

jail." I go in and say, "Go ahead, what happened, happened,

but now, bull, go ahead, from now on,

we're going to prosecute

criminals. They won't be able to.

From now on,

we're going to do a thorough check of the

guy's account."

We know, for example, our

300,000 doctor's money. Wow, out of nowhere,

some millions fell there, 10 million

came from where? Oh, I have a daughter in

England who's a businesswoman. Let's see

if it actually works. What money did your

daughter have in England? You're cold, and well, we're

not going to do this here. It's not

communism, it's not socialism, but we

also don't want to accept that

people become capitalists with the

people's money. You

understand? I think the police... It

happened. Okay, take that 400, open a

business and go ahead. Have a business

to prosper, otherwise live off

that. 400 now we discover that they did

n't call, it was a contract that was for

a company, let's put the company that has

more merit to deserve to obtain

that contract, that scene of each, that,

that competition, but they

sent it to company B because

company B... that

's the sense I'm talking about,

so you started... accountability,

exactly, start fighting corruption, that's

point number one, number two,

awareness, let's go to schools, let's go

to churches, let's

work with our

teachers, with our pastors, or

mosques with our sheikhs so that they

include

awareness against corruption from a

young age, tell stories of corruption and

how the groups ended up becoming

aware of why the country is like this

and how it could be better, or if the country is

already better, how would it be if I

hadn't followed the right path,

put videos of how the Sheikh

of Dubai managed to transform the desert

into a paradise, and the children will grow up

aspiring to that, no, I want to govern

to make Mozambique come out of

a desert.

Exactly, exactly, that's it, I'm going to

fight, I'm going to fight as if I

were a politician. But I would

fight this, this thing of

only looking at... The American grass...

But we don't know how to get there

because we have many videos and clips,

remembering... I don't know what it is with money,

girls, cars of light... but you're

forgetting to educate your people. When are

we going to have meetings to

show documentaries like the one I

mentioned? For example, about Dubai, how

they transformed it into a desert, or so that

young people grow up

aspiring to transform their country

because they didn't know that it doesn't need a...

no, we've already had... how many presidents,

how many governors, friends... it needs

transformation, so we need to

instill in the minds of young people this thirst for

transformation in an honest,

fair, and equitable way so that tomorrow will

be better. Shaman, if you are... if we

manage to set up a fair government, you don't even

need to steal, why not? Oh, it's

for my son's future, because your

son is doing well

working for all those guys in

Norway, for example, they tighten

taxes, I won't deny it, I see a pile of

taxes. But you have public school, it's

better than private school. You're going to

send your test for what? Probably it

's a business, without logic, like maybe

because it's near home, but no, no. It has

no appeal because it's the public school system that's

beating these

government officials when they go to Europe

for treatment, brother, we go to the

public hospital.

This means it's not impossible, it's

just a matter of political will.

Our intellectuals,

our rulers, are all in this

power association to steal

strategy.

People aspire to be

parliamentarians, ministers, not

governors, they aspire to be president

to steal the big deal there among

themselves, the whole list. But it's wrong, of course.

In this generalization, I'm going to include

some innocent people. I know there are some

innocent people in the system, but they are

very few. I'm talking about

maybe two out of every 100 people who are

honest, and even in one blood group,

we won't find

this scale. Is it

stretched? But will this 1%

change? Of course, then you need to have

a serious government, precisely to

discourage this wave

of corruption. Man, corruption is a crime. You're

wrong, you're stealing from the people, you're

hindering our development. That's why

many friends, a little...

I'm not saying that corruption in the shop

is talking about

human development. When you go to Africa, everyone is already...

They come back, they even forget

Portuguese, they forget to see, they embraced a

Zulu, an embrace in English, they all saw

Africans there, even if they want to

know, when I was studying in

South Africa I met several who didn't come

here, they identified themselves as

classifying themselves, but because they had no

hope, man,

you're paying, "Hey, I have

training, you're paying me

10,000 meticais

and

you expect me to develop?" Attention, attention, in a

country with resources, in a country

with means, but everything is being

diverted to a small group, what am

I talking about? I'm talking about a

guy who leaves university and enters

a government entity

to earn money, you expect that

guy to build something, this complicated guy, he does

n't have money. So how do you

justify that a group of people

can divert billions of dollars? You

don't have money, what am I

saying, man? People studied,

people trained, they

paid properly,

this thing, for example,

minimum wage or meticais, again, pay

close attention

to Termas, pay close attention, let's

take a group of young people who

spent four years in some

private universities. You're taking this group

of young people and you want to pay them below

average. I'll give you just one example: a young man

today, for his wife and child, needs at

least 30,000 (currency unspecified) to

have a minimally decent life.

If we're going to start building while

paying rent, at least 30 minutes, we

have our salaries starting at 8 or

9.

What's happening is that most of

these young people end up not entering

the job market, some are making big profits,

others don't. But what's

really happening is that you're

having what we call a

brain drain. You have a

mass exodus of people going to

South Africa, going to Portugal, and then to Brasília.

Pay attention to the trend in Brazil;

many young people are now

going to Brazil because it's better to

be a YouTuber in Brazil with my university degree

than to work in the Ministry of

Mozambique.

Let's eliminate these people, let's

eliminate these people. They do

n't need to be here demanding things from us in the

hospital corridors. Eliminate these

young people, these doctors. Let's eliminate these young

Titans, let's eliminate them.

Let's pay the police, I could. I'm

here just criticizing the police, but today

I'm going to do the opposite. Today I'm going to ask

them to pay the police. They're

guys who are here to guarantee

our safety, of course, and we're

going to demand more. We have to stop this

nonsense, for example, with the rapid response.

Let's delete it. I have some apprehension, I can't

be too comfortable, but we have to

pay the military, man. Although it's not the

right time to mess with

them, like this thing. So, I'm

not saying Africa is experiencing a wave,

we can't always be mentioning

the military because we're very

sensitive. But

why am I saying this? A samba [person]

has to want to stay in

Mozambique. I can't grow up with

this series [of people] and have to go to Portugal to clean

floors or be a nanny in Portugal. Because in

Portugal...

but between us, it's fair, even a guy

who spent 4 years studying to

work in a public entity... "

It takes 15, 20 thousand years of

massacring your mind to gain

knowledge

because we know there's money, but it's being

diverted. If we didn't have

money, if it were truly a poor country,

then we'd understand, but no, you have

children here, happy day, man. Why are we

taking that money to invest

in what normally matters,

reference hospitals,

schools where you don't need approval

like in other Nordic countries? That's what

I'm talking about, and I

hope people understand

my point because this thing,

we all want to say to Brazil, we all

want to say to the United States, we all want to know,

man, who will stay,

who will stay to transform this country? And

tomorrow, when we return after 40

years, what the hell, because in old age,

man, forget it, we'll want to return to

our country. We're returning, in fact,

to begin with, in the opposite direction,

the kids are moving up, the older ones,

pay attention, this happens all over the world, it

's a normal trend, but

when we return, we find it here,

abroad, it's not as easy as it

seems,

abroad is also costly, so no,

because everyone who travels..." He'll do

well, he'll become a businessman, but not here. He'll only

earn enough to live

abroad, to pay his rent, whether in the

United States or Europe, to pay

his rent, to pay for his children's schooling,

a good education for his children—we're not

denying that—but this same child who

tomorrow might return to

Mozambique, and once here, we'll

find... So what I'm saying is

we need a fair country, equal for

all. If there's poverty, let's all be

poor, but certainly, let it be welcome,

precisely so that we have the

thoughts, the will to live, and to

transform Mozambique. But that won't

happen while

the mindset,

for example, today says that all

hopes, all of that, are always

placed there in Guest, right? Or he wants to

be a project, the latest recent one, more or

less, let's see, but didn't we

have other projects before

that we could trust, saying that

this project will help us, the country will

improve today? That's why all the

hope is there just because it was discovered

that, well, it's going to start working, after

how long, man? And when it starts

working, maybe what you

're saying will be well

distributed, I... When I was doing one of my

reports in the United States,

I interviewed a woman named Molly

Pii, who is in security. She

belongs to the American government, but she's involved in

security and also in

relations with African countries. That's why I

found the interview

very interesting. She said that for

many years the United States

focused its efforts on counterterrorism,

on security,

protection, and so on.

But

now they've discovered that one of the mistakes they

made, and

that has been made in several

countries they've worked in, is that

governments weren't investing in the

distribution of resources.

Development was only reflected in the

cities. This is a report I did

in Washington. It's only reflected in the

cities, and in rural areas there's no

development. So what happens

after a while, with this

discovery, is that

local communities are easily

drawn into terrorism

because someone shows up and makes

a proposal: "I want you to join

my armed group, and

you get 50 a month."

Suddenly, they'll have 50 a month, and

they'll buy a motorcycle or

a car, whether second-hand or not, but they'll

go. Receiving 50,000, man, it's easy

to update this guy because he looks

around and has nothing. His son studies in a

school without desks or anything, his wife is a

domestic worker in the city

earning 4,000. The guy is a guard,

always six, and there's no

recreational center. What I was saying is that the children

have no hope of ever

doing any sport,

no, no hope of a

happy day, of continuous education,

because this is our education system where the

government can't even manage to

copy and paste, it's poorly done.

As I said, I received many

complaints by phone, one complaint about a

book, I think it's from the third grade, where there's

a story. The story talks about a

girl, I think it's Teresa, or the other way around, I might be

mistaken, but the

questionnaire already had the star, but in the

test it said Teresa. But it's not the

questionnaire anymore, where is Teresa? How is

Teresa if the test said... you see this

confusion in the children's heads? And for

a child who doesn't have an older brother

to help with homework, how does

this child answer, for

example, right? Exactly how does

this child answer?

So we can't even copy and

paste, we say, they're useless.

So what hope does this gentleman

have? He's seeing the age of the passage, he's

reached 40, 45 years old, he has nothing,

then a guy appears saying he'll give 40,000. It's

in this sense that

these waves of

insurgency are prospering, these terrorists are beginning to emerge. It

's a matter of school, he looks like this, of course

we are not here to

encourage this, we are totally

against violence and we don't want to

vehemently discourage it, but there is

adherence to these movements of the

dictator, what the wave is, but as I

said, these are facts, it's happening, it's a

trend. They say that for a long

time countries focused on the

security aspect of having

very well-trained military to

combat terrorists, but they

also discovered that this approach is saying

that governments should be fair, their

respective countries have to divide the

people's money, that's what I was saying.

Excuse me, it's poor. Nobody is

arguing that, but let this poverty

reflect, reflect without everyone, and I say if

the country can really afford more

hospitals, it's sweet, there's a little bit of

hope in wanting to know about

education,

transportation, you understand when you The

inability to perform basic tasks

is where the frustration comes from, that's why

many people, as I was saying, many

people who study abroad simply don't

return. Some of us had that feeling of "no,

I want to contribute to my

country," but contributing doesn't mean

perpetuating corruption here, or "they

made me a party so I can

be someone tomorrow," no, I don't need that path.

We can also contribute, therefore,

through, for example, changing

paradigms, mindsets, we can contribute

through training, through education,

training men

to truly be men of honor, to

respect others, to respect what is

not mine.

This is, government money is not

mine, it belongs to all of us. So if we

can train men, tomorrow we will

have better friends. If we can

train our children to

manage public affairs

equitably, honestly, but also to

improve things one day, but if we

continue with the habit of stealing,

obviously nothing will change and we won't get anywhere.

And this

concern of mine, this fear of mine,

is precisely that our country

will collapse one day due to a lack of

honest men, man. I think

God willing, we won't be able to

overcome this again because

Mozambique is a beautiful country, we

are top people, man. I think

Africa should count countries like

Mozambique, the whole country is full of good people,

man. It's not a dream,

we deserve much more than this.

But I'm saying this because of that thing, right?

That thing,

development, for example, in this city,

before the exploration

outside, man, it's not staying here.

That's what gives large contracts, explorations

for many years

before the province is rich in resources.

This development first reflects

the resources and the workforce. There's a

point we were forgetting when we talked about it, you see, the

issue of training. We don't have to

normalize it by looking for

petroleum engineers and technicians abroad, no, man,

we have to send our own,

we have to take these people, go there and get them. That's

normal. But that's what we're going to do, that's what

will develop. I didn't know that

exporting people to go and train is what we're

going to do, friends, develop

because these kids are from our

community. It's the guy who's going to build. I

am God, he will be building his first

bricklayers,

he will need them. You're hiring people to

work for him, he's creating jobs,

he's going to set up a restaurant,

how many jobs is that opening up? But you

prefer to bring in guys from abroad, they come here and

take our money and do it

in their own countries, or sometimes they even do it right

here, you monster, it's not right here, that's what

we see, for example, we have

all these tourist attractions, for example,

those belong to us, 80%, it's not ours,

and we go there and spend fortunes, man, tourism

is expensive. It's funny that at

some point it's more expensive to be in a

place,

I can breathe a little, I feel a certain

relief. I started seeing these prices,

her tickets in Macaíre, man, it's

fantastic,

after how many years, man, how many years, I

was already hurt from traveling.

How many years, man, honestly, man, I

don't understand how people

can be so blind, imagine,

today we're talking about her, how many

other state-owned companies have gone through

this, they're here with their crazy ideas, that's why

I say I can't understand

how our young people, who are

people who could be with us,

jumping up and down, get

offended by this podcast. It's going to offend a

lot, I've been following this podcast for many years

to be able to censor that. People

are going to talk, there's a lot we've

discussed

here that will bother certain people in the

government or the ruling party. Many

people will feel liberated, I hope it's

an awakening, they will be

successors to those who are

governing today. These are young people who are offended

by this, they are young, I say this because

I see the way

they try to trivialize the discourse

against the discourse of criticism, they

try to trivialize it.

Just to give you an idea, I

received information, like an attempt

to ban the music, it's

someone who is sucking up to someone

who understands these things, so it's a

group of young people with an interest, because why do

you go to the music of the Gaias? They're not

singing the truth, and if they are

singing the truth, why is it that a young person,

for example, is just a provocation? Why does

n't a young person like it, doesn't identify with the Zagaia?

Hey hey hey, I challenge you,

how many young people... JM posted photos,

lost their lives, or how many young people... how many,

by chance, the people can't... it's a slogan

of banditry, it wasn't created, it was only

adopted, as the people in power already said, we have to

make the school the base, through the glue the

people will "Taking power" are words

you hear, but today

you'll receive some here asking if they

agree with the people in power, and you'll

see they'll sweat just to ask this

phrase, always "people in power," you

'll see how they'll sweat,

and that's what I'm talking about, that's

also what prevents development

because we are blocking the minds of

Mozambicans. Amen,

but no, that's what

I was saying, the singers, because

the singers couldn't

freely mourn the death of a colleague

because, if I see myself, therefore, in

this march in Gaia, I'll be blacklisted,

and then I won't have the opportunity to

sing at rallies or

election campaigns, but they were very afraid

with that story of cancellations,

those things, my God, it was never much,

but okay. Well, it was perhaps a way

that the people found to show that the

candidates... Yeah, but I think it wasn't enough, it wasn't enough, it

wasn't enough, for example, you

cancel a singer today,

in March,

a rhythm... You're already there, you do

n't need to tell me much, right? I think it

will also seem like we are

attacking people, but that's not the objective

of this podcast. But it is..." That's what I wanted to

say: you cancel in March and then three or

four months later you come back,

man. Canceling doesn't have a real meaning. It's not

just me unfollowing today because I

'm angry and then following again the next day.

Canceling, man, is realizing that I discovered that what I

called wasn't supporting the people in this

demand for the betterment of the country, so

I got tired of calling. I don't identify with that anymore. That's what canceling means

now. I just canceled today, called, and the

next day I followed again because

that nervousness has passed. That's why

I say I didn't feel much of it, and I'm

not saying we should

stop supporting our singers because of

their political choices. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm

saying is whether canceling is a way

to educate or raise awareness among

artists so that they

identify with the people. And this is

saying that the cancellation should be

such that these people feel

obligated to apologize to the people and

actually embrace our causes because

our causes are legitimate. We

are fighting corruption. If we

were here, for example, spreading

envy... Oh, hate speech is

different, but nobody here is spreading

hate. We are fighting against

corruption; we want our country to

be well-governed, and for that, it's

necessary to talk about the problems it's

facing. So it's more or less in this

sense. Now, the cancellation has to be

such that you have to be explicit. The guy

is refusing to support the people's cause: "I'm

not going to call you, I'm

not going to have the show. Do you need me to

buy your ticket to wait for your

musical career?" So I'm not going to have the

show. That would be a cancellation he would do.

Think about it, reflect on it: "Look, in

fact, I am who I am thanks to these people." Pay

attention: it's not the politicians who make the artist.

Today, if the new talent

who in five years will be a hit

in Mozambique, if he now asks for

political support, not one—I challenge you—

not one politician will help, whether from the

government or whoever. Not one will. "

Look, I have much more than

that, prove it. I

only need 10,000 to record my music."

Not one politician will help. But in

a few years, it's the people who consume this music, who buy the records, who go to the shows, who will make the

singers. But in a few years, it's the people who consume this music,

who buy the records, who go to the

shows, who will make the singers." Ten years have already passed, and he's

a singer, therefore a reference point. He's

going to refuse to defend those who

raised him

because he's afraid the politicians will

cancel him in the end. Who is responsible

for your success? The politicians, game over. Are

you at government rallies and meetings

that they might call?

Okay, the people should

attend your concert, your show is like being

Senna. Okay, but the big pie is going to be given to you by

those companies, those who will

call you, hire you to be an

Ambassador, or to... Let's do a Beats

of your show. It's those companies, but we are

necessarily linked,

necessarily linked.

What I'm saying is, if a singer,

for example,

understands one thing, even if

these large corporations come to support

the show, they will support it from a

structural point of view, from a logistical point of view,

but there are no

shows without ticket sales. The real

money of the shows

also exists in the matter of

merchandising, the issue of publicity, the

advertising that also adds value, but these

companies won't put up their

posters if he doesn't have crowds. At the

end of the day, the strongest guy at the

show, again, is the people.

They'll only put up the posters, they'll only

put up the two. I'll be on

television because they know that... The masses

are focused on your shorts, man. It's

the masses because these same masses are the ones who

return that money to

those companies. Because I go there and see,

for example, a food manufacturing company

sponsoring. I didn't know this

company, but from then on I started buying

food from them.

So even though you need these

corporate guys to give

you logistical structure, you'll always need them

first, both as an artist and

your sponsor. Everyone needs

the people. Or

these big

mobile phone companies, for example, are you going to

tell me that because it's already at the level it

's at, even in buildings on September 25th, it does

n't need the people? Who calls, man?

Who sends messages? Who buys

internet?

So at the end of the day, it's not those

companies that are supporting the

singer, but the people. Because if the people get

angry and turn off all the phones,

that company will go into crisis, and

instead of 2 million for the show, it will

need those two million to get

out of the crisis. That's

my thing, man, it's a

thing with several sides, man. For example, I

can say, okay, I can

think about it in one way. Okay, an artist who... "It's established and

all that, the gas company knows I don't have any

contract with this company

to receive a monthly payment,

but maybe in that month, in the eternal, they wo

n't rely on the box office of that show,

but they will rely on the salary

they receive from that brand. That's what

I was saying, brands aren't

necessarily all linked to the

system. There are several brands from

private entities. There are several

companies that belong to ordinary people. Of

course, they may have a

political interest, as I was saying, in the sense

of

therefore doing something to gain

something. Now, it does

n't mean that, for example, I'm the

most famous singer in Mozambique. Let's

just say, to avoid other names, I'll use

names of others who I know aren't

necessarily in the system. It

says 'people in power,' but it doesn't mean

that tomorrow the company will close, and when

you call, goodbye. It's an irrational fear

that our artists have. That's why

I was saying it's a certain level of

ignorance. The artist is respected;

the more value is given to them, the

more neutral they are, the more respect they get.

Because the government, for example, will...

look, if we mess around, even if it

's our image or what's always in

our rallies, it will turn against us. It's

necessary that... so it's more." In a way, it's about

exerting pressure,

it's more about how you think, that's why

we insist, I don't know if you

understand why we insist that

musicians and artists should be on the

side of the people. We insist because we

know that the more voices,

student voices, prominent voices that

embrace this cause, the greater the fear

they will have, for example, of

continuing with corruption and governance.

Because they know that nobody will

support them, but as long as you have

renowned singers here,

the system simply... So silence implies consent, is

n't that it, in short?

And we need these voices.

Imagine, for example, if we had

20 Clemente Carlos journalists, from the point of view of

criticism of the government, on the 20th, just

journalists who, without any

fear,

embrace this cause, therefore, the fight against

corruption, who speak about these problems.

We would very much like to,

but unfortunately, although there are several

better colleagues who are doing

fabulous work, both on the channel I

work for now, TV Sucesso, and on

other channels, there are also serious ones on TV. Okay, I know I've

already switched off,

besides the work channel,

there are other channels too, there are some

serious ones that... They're doing

fabulous work, some on television.

For example, Professor Lázaro, a real

character, is also a great

investigative journalist. Now, I think he

's in the print media, and I spoke about it here a

short time ago, I don't know what, and also

on television, the radio also has

serious people, but it's a very small number.

If we really had intellectuals speaking

English, problems in a structured way... I

guarantee you that good things would be happening, many

things would be changing, many things

would be changing, but unfortunately, constant dripping wears away the

stone, right?

Perfect, if you continue to

bring up the subject every day, touching on it

today, for example, a week later we

can see the impact of

social media, man. The other day I was watching a video

of a guy who started filming Eduardo

because of that story about the women's

accounts that couldn't pass, and the

next day we were already seeing change,

but it hasn't even started yet, it's already past an hour and soon it'll be

time for

another commitment, time is flying by, but in the

same way, not even by the way we are, the

way we talk, man, like

we talked today, I think it was the first

time, despite that day, but hey, I want to

leave this door open for you, man, the

podcast isn't mine, you can keep it until we... Okay,

all Americans, this "we can"

means what Mozambique can, because

derived from this, no, the space is for us to

make a difference and talk,

converse

without barriers, without anything, to

awaken, to create change, right? These are

our concerns, these are what we

are talking about, this is what we talked about today

in front of the microphones, the cameras, I

believe it's a conversation that... Every day you have

any kind of person you meet who wants to chat, it's a

conversation that ends up

spreading, this kind of conversation isn't a real

conversation, I think it's generally dissatisfaction, man, there's a lot of

dissatisfaction, it's a big part of everyone,

man, the cost of living is getting higher and higher.

This is what really makes people

desperate,

we want to see changes, man, we want

responsible people

who take a stand

and do their jobs

responsibly, and that there is

accountability for those who don't

do it properly.

Pipa is there to represent the people, man, I do

n't think we pay them with

our taxes for all this, they are

there for us, this is something that doesn't work,

man, there are many more people who want to

work, a place

made a mess, something that didn't

work, man, leave the place, that ca

n't be forever,

man, continue there with your jobs, this

posture, this way of

raising your voice, creating this

account,

and let this be very clear, it's not

because we say

we are totally [in favor], that's what

we want, people set

an example, it's for us to have

people in this party that I see today

presenting worthy work, man. It's a

beautiful thing to see, I'll give a few

examples, like, I do

n't know him personally, but from what

we see and hear,

that city is beautiful. The

leader, those who live with him, also

appear, I like it, I see it,

because a man who is there every day

showing his work, today he was at this

meeting, that's what he did, we're seeing the

road there, man, it's happening, we have a

man from the opposition, the gas company in Araújo,

also perfect, man, they do good things, the

work is progressing, man.

We need more people, you

talk about the municipality of Beira, and then, the

man with the position there, man, form

a party there, do something there too,

man, little by little, a candidate, something,

you're going to make

that capital difference, you have the

potential for all of that, we need

people like you, you have a

large legion of followers, man, people

admire your frankness,

so that I position myself politically,

necessarily. Ah, I usually say

the following: Ah, I think the people didn't

know. At some point, they have

n't gotten tired

of the situation we are living in.

When the people are really tired,

we should understand that. I'll give you a

very simple example: look at how

Angolans reacted to the last elections.

That was a sign of a people who were

tired and wanted change.

Unfortunately, the opposition lost

a very close match, but that

sign of the people being tired... ours

isn't tired yet, I don't know,

they're comfortable, although it might

be offensive to some people, like

doctors or whatever. But I'm saying that the

vast majority of people... "Oh no, they're

comfortable." That's another example: look,

for instance, when government officials are

doing live broadcasts communicating with the nation,

look at how much traffic they get. That's a sign

that people are happy. When

people are truly

tired,

things will become empty. I want to see it

empty, it will become empty. That would be a

good sign, that's exactly what I'm

talking about. So, for now, for example, I

organized a peaceful demonstration,

suddenly, and there were about 15

young people there, and we went for Tite, but on Facebook

I received likes without even counting them. I can't believe it,

because I put 5,000 likes, you don't

even have 10%, not even

10%. We were marching,

aliens were there, not extraterrestrials

who came there to like it, no. I know, but

if it's people who liked

that post where "At the Last Minute"... That's why

I say I think it's not at that level yet.

Just look at any little thing, man,

for any little thing, it went to

do that operation, but you need to

understand one thing: while we don't

have documents, between crime, protesting

shouldn't be a problem, man, it is a

problem. You're not committing a crime,

but there are guys there, it's blocked, man, go

home, we don't want it, it doesn't pass, God,

tarot, because we are 15 people, it's

easy to control. I think I already talked

about being based, thank you very much for the invitation, it

was a very... therefore, a

diagram, to have a conversation

with me and Professor Adriano. Basically,

man, it would be a top chat. I think not,

because... because

Adriano...

world villains... They are people that we

are actually putting... Why don't you

put me with someone from the

government? I

would like, in the same way that we are

here on a platform

to discuss with anyone,

I have no problem. The issue is,

my argument is that the government is

being badly governed, that

corruption is rampant, so

anyone who wants to defend this

provocation of mine, come and...

I'm not telling you that Mozambique is

being well governed and that there is no corruption,

for example,

anyone who says otherwise

or wants to defend that, therefore we

are effectively fighting

corruption. Anyone who is

attending

is invited, just contact us,

we'll organize it and the conversation will go ahead. And

I see some defenders of the ruling party,

of some government officials, going on

television sometimes with certain

people with weak arguments,

or some people who are usually a bit

distracted and make a big

show of it, bringing up things like, "

because it sustains, because it employs

young people, it even has jobs, it has teams, I don't

know what, man, let them

come, I

also have data, in the same way

they're going to talk about sustainability, let's talk

about employment. I also have data, I

also have research done some

time ago on this effect, and let's compare the

employment results. I also have

my data,

so let's compare them here to see the

effectiveness. You're not going to give 50 people

who have jobs here to talk about the country,

so I'm

here to cloud the governance of

anyone, the mandate, whoever the

politician is, but I'm here for the truth.

If the people are satisfied, let the people

say so, but the people of Which I'm a part of. As far as

I know, it's frustrated, and this

frustration is what we want to echo

until there's change. Calling you

a capillary action in the cheering section

at lunchtime, man,

a good meal, you can

order, pick it up, or they

do delivery, it's all that, but

at least remember... no, I

confess I hadn't launched yet, I'm

really going to complain about this meal. Hey, that's exactly why,

because I say it's one of the

advantages too. We have commitments,

because I used to ask, "Oh no,

let's have lunch first," but no, we

have some commitments. I was

also like that, from a meeting, I left there, I

rushed here, and you see, my

seriousness here too, because I believe

that if I had attended to other

things, it would have

also upset me, we wouldn't even have

our recording.

Well, people, I hope you enjoyed the

chat,

received something here from this Brilliant Mind. He

's a person who wants to see change, just like

many of us.

He does his job, he raises his voice,

he makes his criticisms, man, it's

his role as a journalist, all of that, and

I think it's for you, our respect,

Clemente, that there are more like you

who can really

make serious change happen. May

the country be better than the lives of its people, may we

be a more

smiling country with better conditions for

all.

So, whether you liked it or not, this is

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see if we can get them to us, like we

did with Clemente. But how about

a chat with you, Egídio? There's no

problem with that,

or maybe the

listeners themselves could help us with

who they'd like to say here, so debate

with me. But I, in particular,

whoever it is, I don't see any

problem. I think they're Mozambican, just like

me. They have one vision, so how is

the country doing? I have another. Yes, I want to

sit down and talk. We

have to finish. It's been almost two

hours of conversation. At least I have other

commitments.

The conversation was interesting.

Until next week.

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