André Manhiça | Radialista e Apresentador | A Odisseia da Voz que Encantou uma Nação | T1 E47

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Well ladies and gentlemen, welcome once again

to your favorite

podcast,

and

today, the

19th, it's now

12:40 in national territory, and we're going to

start our

podcast with the

man who has been dominating the microphones for

almost 30 years, Mr. André Manissa. Mr.

André, how are you? Welcome to our

podcast. Today we're going to do a show, a

show of two wheelchair users, man, we're going to

show off our beauty here for the

whole world. André, welcome, I'm very happy to have

you here, and you're a friend, someone I

've

known throughout our

journey, and today I want to

talk about you

and your

world, yes, your

experiences, and

here we are, you who dominate the microphone,

man, pass it to you. Hey, ah, it's

also a pleasure to be here. I've been

following several guests who have

already been here, so there are more than

40 or so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, nice. It's a

new platform, right? And I think these are the

current trends in podcasts today. For

you, this isn't anything new, what

you've always done. Maybe, but without the

cameras, today this world... So,

exactly

André, starting off like this, how many years

in the entertainment world? Let's see,

I started in '96, and still as a

radio announcer, at Radio Mozambique. As a

radio announcer... no, I didn't start there, I

started at a radio station in Nampula, uh, yes, okay,

in '96, exactly. Okay, continue. When did you

come to Maputo? So, ah,

then I came here... well, because... well,

because I was born in Nampula, but my

parents are from the South, right? My mother is

from Ambana and my father is from Maputo, Manissa, that's why

I'm Manissa, right? Uh-huh, okay,

so it's like two people, two

Mozambicans from the South, met

and had a child there, right? Okay, they were

working there, they... not exactly, exactly.

So, I grew up there and everything, and I

started there, and then, as they were transferred,

my mother

was transferred here, and then I

stayed there for a while, then I had to come, you

understand? It's like that, right? When the parents

are transferred... you arrived here still

young, how old were you when you arrived here?

Ah, I arrived still young, I arrived

very young,

practically I grew up in Nampula, but...

I matured, that's right, so that's when

I started on the radio, right?

When I arrived, I wasn't on the radio yet,

um, no, I wasn't on the radio, right? I was just going

from one place to another. That's when Stuart

met me. Stuart already

knew me because when he came to the police station,

um, I interviewed him, right? Okay, yeah, I

already knew him, right? I already knew Suites and F

Babies and I don't know what happened when they came there, when they came there.

So when I came here, I had

that advantage because I already knew

some famous people, right? So,

Mr. [Name], hey André, are you here?

So, everything's fine, I'm not doing anything, peace, I'm not

on the radio yet. I didn't

even imagine myself on the radio here, Radio Capital, no, so, I'll talk, go there, go there, right? So, he's the one who opened the doors for you, he's the one who made your first appearance like that. Yes, I

still did the tests there, right? It's not easy,

yes, on the radio, on Radio Cidade, yes, Radio

Cidade, but I had already been on a

program on Radio Mozambique, but only,

ah, on a program called Casa Grande, right? I

was just there, but I just stayed there, I didn't

talk, right, um, with Luí.

Well, I don't know,

the assistant there is watching how

things are going and stuff. André has André

Manissa, hand over the prize, and I would hand it over, yeah, that's how

people are, you know? They only see

things afterwards, right? They don't know how

the person, the process, how the process

was, that's why when they say, "Hey,

regarding the process," that's it, I would stay

there, no, I'd say, "Very well, the

winner is so-and-so," and

an assistant would exactly

hand it over, and everyone would be happy. And

on the radio, on the radio, they're not seeing anything, they're just

listening, exactly, I was there, so it was

when,

uh, then I was, I went there to do

some tests and stuff. Hmm, but okay, it's a

process, and then I was at

journalism school doing marketing,

right? Hmm, because I'm a

mid-level technician in Marketing and Advertising, I was

doing the course, then I finished everything, I

had a teacher there who said, "Hey,

you're very extroverted, huh? You don't

want to do radio, do you?" and so on. I said, "Oh yeah,

actually, I already did some tests, I'm still in the

process." Oh, okay, then, that's when he

called, uh, he called there

and, well, received... I was a young man, and I went there, and that's it, and I

got it. You took the test, you got it right away. I took a test,

yeah, and I got it, and I stayed there.

No, I didn't get it right away. It's

tests, there are words in French, English, and everything. The

person has to read and stuff. I took a

test, and that's it. Then I started... I joined

Eco

Estudantil. What happened was that... on

Rádio Cidade, I heard... uh, I was on... it's

Estudantil, isn't it? It's a program where

people go to learn how to do radio, is

n't it? And I was there, I went with the recorder,

and the schools with recorders interviewed

students, sometimes teachers, giving

them time, since they were older, yeah, it was like that. It was

a recorder, you know, I went around with it,

interviewing people,

reports for the

program, and they received it and stuff. Very well,

André, okay here, no, okay here... and the

mentor was Eleotério Gevana, who is

now in the United States, he's

working there, he's there at Voice of America.

So, I did that, what

happens when... how do you

say the leap of faith? Where does it

happen? I was at a birthday party.

From Radio Cidade, uhm, I wasn't doing a

program or anything yet, I was in that

student department, which is for those who are still learning, those who

are there as an

assistant, as someone who still has to

climb some steps, exactly, exactly, so

there was a radio anniversary and I

even forgot it was Saturday or Sunday

and everyone was already there, it was at a

catering factory, there was a

field, a gym, a gym there, yeah, so

everyone was there, I had already forgotten, I wake up,

I'm listening to the radio, we're here at the

field and hey, today is the radio's anniversary, I

grab a bus, I grab a bus and go

there and everything, André, I only just woke up, I woke up

at 11 but I

'm here, so someone had to go

to the radio to close the broadcast, so

they looked at everyone, you're the youngest

there, they said, go, you know, the laziness, the laziness

is what you're going to do, you arrived late, you arrived

late, and who's going to stay there, and we

're celebrating, here we are having fun,

go, you go, you go, you go, oh André,

André, go to the radio, right, close that, you

stay there, you and your colleague who's going to

put on the Music, right? It was Rui Fines,

you go there and, listen, it's only 10 o'clock, and

sometimes, right? Don't exaggerate, they were like, "It's

here yet, it's not quite ready, raw

there," so I went there, to get in the

radio car, they took us there and that's it, it

was late, around 4 pm or so.

So I get there, they put on music, I'm there,

so I started talking, the broadcast was being

listened to there, where all the

colleagues were, where they were, the head of the radio station

Patrício Filipe, and everyone was there, the

good ones too, everyone was there, it was being

listened to there on broadcast, and I arrive at the

radio and then it starts, "Hello, good

afternoon, welcome to this space,

we'll be here until 6 pm, at this time,

4:10 pm, music, entertainment

here on the airwaves of Cidade FM, okay, you're

listening, What ya, let's go now, the

final chords of the

song, let's go now, later, there, a lot,

you know that today is

Cidade FM's anniversary and everyone on that side,

how are you all doing on that side, is

everything alright?" So they were like, "What, wow

André, it's impressive to see you and..."

Listen here at the same time, "Wow, woof woof," and

what happens the next day? A colleague gets sick.

André, can you come here? The colleague

got sick already, right? He's finally here. So, that's how I

started, and never again, never

again. Radio Cidade, yes, then Galiza

Matos stopped doing the program. He

said, "Wow, I'm going to stop doing the program."

André takes over the Terramoto program.

There was a program called Terramoto, which

was the afternoon program on Radio

Cidade, and I took over the program, and from there,

entertainment. So, I like entertainment,

so it's my thing. I

'm very informal. So, from there, it was

always upwards. I've

carried recorders, I've given

awards, I've done everything, and then, yeah, that's

the process. So, it's been

since we arrived here, kid.

The radio was your first job, yeah, it was.

Yes, it was, it was the first, it was the

first. And you're still there, and even

now, right? Yes, and you're still there, yeah.

So, almost 30 years of

career, almost, almost, yeah, almost 30 years of

career, man. All those artists we

're seeing today passed through your shoes, man, I

remember. I've heard testimonies here,

for example, about Mr. Bau, who,

when he was a nobody, would

arrive at the radio station to deliver [something].

Tell me about your

experiences, André, I want to understand.

You saw almost all these

artists who are now established when they

were nothing and nobody.

Yes, many of them.

I can tell you about an episode,

for example, about Bang, right? Bang was

Bang. Yes, he was, he was the man

himself, Bang. When he was about to

start, he called me, André, "Everything

alright? Hey, I'm going to start doing

shows. So I wanted a voice to

do the advertising." Okay, what are you doing?

Where are you now? I'm here in Patrí

Lumumba. Okay, come over here to J Neira.

I'm here then. Okay, okay, what do

you want then? Hey, I'm going to do

shows now, entertainment

shows. So, hey, I want a voice,

let's do your voice." That's where

the introduction to "entertainment

presents" was born. That's where it was born. You understand?

I mean, people didn't know him yet. That's

where it starts. This scene, there's good

entertainment presented, and that's where it

started. Bang, you see? So it's one of the

episodes. Then another episode is when

he

says, "André, hey, there's a song here, uh,

who is it? Come over to me and stuff, who is it?" And, well, it's called, it's

called Dama Du Bling, Dama Du

Bling. Ah, that's the name. He, Ah, that's the name

because he really believed in

it, and another one would, so he started

listening to the song, uh, I'm listening, who

has M Style, gives a Du

Bling? I said, well, you, well, with those

lyrics, the girls won't

be upset with that, like, it won't

be an affront to women, women, you

know that women among themselves aren't

very united, ah, they aren't united as they

say, right? Women aren't united, he, well,

you leave it like that, well, leave it, well, it was like that,

he creates things

when something comes up, that's it, that's it,

test it like that, are you sure,

or what, André? Yeah, put it on, put the song on, and

let's see, you'll see it alone, and that's what we

saw, right? Wow, and that's how they met

Dama do Bling. So you understand, right? Uh, there

are several episodes, man, of

artists who came to me, Bau Bau.

Hmm, I've already worked, I was at 9 FM,

which is now 99 FM, and he brought the song, the song,

play this song, I don't know what. And

I played the song, and he wasn't even... I

mean, I didn't even look at him yet, like, he's not

a kid, he's still

a... Yeah, and André, you're the guy who was

exposed to all kinds of music. Everything that

was, before being released, had to be

included in the release of the songs. It

was already done on the radio, yes, yes, yes, it's not

like today with television,

maybe it wasn't as... how was this

YouTube world back then, I don't know... now the

most listened-to music on the radio, right? We didn't

have all these channels we have

today. You were a guy who, for example,

had all the power. You'd

say, "Maybe this

week, maybe I'll give Bau a chance,

this week I'll give a chance to..." Yeah,

style, yeah, everyone came, they had to

give me the songs, André P, to play

because the program had a

crazy audience, the earthquake! It was the program, you

understand? Humberto Luí, for example, he

himself, God knows, he

himself tells the story.

Humberto Luí, he's Cris Sweet Boys,

call me André. Oh, and there's an artist who... he's

undecided

between two songs. Oh, since I know you're

a person with a good ear and all,

you can help him decide which

song he'll make a video for because he wants to

decide. He only has one song for a video.

So he wants to decide which one, which one, right? He's going to have a video.

As an

experiment, you could tell which

song is hitting harder than the one on the

radio. He wants to know exactly which

one will have a video, which one will be the

promotional one. I said okay, tell him

to come to the radio this afternoon, but to me,

he already wanted to talk, calm down, don't say

anything, I'll listen. So, and

suddenly, oh, there's a young man here, okay, let's go

up, Humberto. Okay, Humberto comes in.

Okay, André, Cris

talked to you, I said, yeah, he said yeah, so I wanted

the songs, put them there, so he put on a

song that was a... Back then,

we were moving away from

R&B to hip-hop, kizomba, past, no, not

past, right? We're moving away from that now, it does

n't give that

heart anymore, it doesn't give, it has those

beautiful choruses, songs with "my baby,"

we're moving away from that. You understand a

little bit, OK, so we're going into

kizomba here. OK, but he put

R, OK, very good, that song. Put L, another one,

he, ah, the other one is this one, well,

disappear, go, you're worthless,

disappear, you're worthless,

OK, that one, which one, disappear, it is, yeah,

because that song is like that, that message

is terrible. It's going to stick, that message and it has

an impact, disappear, it has to do with

love and I don't know what, why? Because it

has that message and because it's kizomba,

because we're entering the trend,

yeah, it's this song. I'm sure, I'm sure, it can go. It

was Humberto

Luís, he even told André that

he, Cris, had chosen this one, the

other one, I

understand, and TBI and so on. You understand? So I

said, ah, it's his opinion, right, but I think that one,

and that's it. So, when

they met Humberto Luí, yeah, I was the one who

said that, so yeah, yeah, some

other things, man, I want to see more

stories about these guys, I'm

feeling it. It's good to know, man, you

represent a lot today, man, you're

valuable, man, I have many

stories with Bang, I have many

stories with Bang, and for example, I was

looking at the album and, for example, Deno, okay, hum,

Deno, he, we were a duo, like,

bros, me, Den, me, and Damos, we were like a

trio, but a duo, okay, so there were times when

I was more with him, there were times when

I was more with Den, so then I'd

hang out with him, you know, so the guys back then

walked around with backpacks, back then,

big shirts,

jackets, so Den, who walks around

with his backpack, and Den,

you know, hiding

things,

nothing, my album, I don't know, your album, okay,

very well, and so on, so when he

records the album, releases the album, releases music,

plays on the radio, right?

Hum, let's enjoy it, you, me, you. After all, you were hanging out.

From one side to the other with that

folder. So, you were going to record this, man, and then... it

was the time when Malta was

like, exactly... but he was in the studio, I don't know

what I'm going to say... Den was carrying

that folder around, so one day he says, "Hey André,

Zico talked to me, give it to me,

give it to me, bleia,

just to see if it was before..." He didn't have a

car yet, right? Yeah, I already had a

car, he gave me a ride, and Zico talked

to me about a song... there's a

project of his and stuff, I don't know what. Ah, okay. So, it

was over there in that Carl Marx area

and stuff, we

were all there, okay, I don't

know what, okay, bye. That was more or less

it, that was more or less the end of the day or

what, and that's it, the next day I said, "Ah, you've already

done the project," and we recorded it.

Man, we stayed up until morning recording it... it's

going to be something... and what is this?

What songs are these that you're

recording? You're... he... ah, Z has

a project, then we called, we recorded some

things. And that's when the project came up. After all,

they were going to record "Nova

Família," "Nova Família," "Nova Família,"

exactly in great secrecy.

So I was the one who took Denny to meet

with ZZ. It was all good, it was like, "Okay,

bye, let's record the thing, okay, bye." And

they went to record it, you see? And, and, and, and

many times Bang would

ask, many times, you know, always asking for

opinions, you know, but he asked my

opinion a lot about many things. You understand, even

at the level of shows and also at the level of

music, and also he was going to Zico

enter Bem Entretenimento.

You understand? Yeah, okay, yeah, I think Zico, yeah, I think yeah, since he's now coming out and stuff with that song, and he had already done it, let's go, and he was going to enter, exactly, he was going to enter Nova Família, you understand? So I said, "Hey,

close the deal with him, close the deal with him,"

and I don't know if I'm not mistaken, I was the one who took

him to a meeting he was going to have with

Zico or something similar, to

close the deal with Zico, to form the partnership

there, exactly for Bem Entretenimento,

you see? Yeah, and things like, uh, many,

many. At that time, man, Bang

Entretenimento was... The group,

yes, in terms of the group, in terms of

music, in terms of shows,

energy, entertainment, it was, it was

that... we're talking about the time of the

Yellow Summer, it was happening at that time, right?

Exactly, exactly, it

happened during the Yellow Summer era, yeah, yeah. So, the guys,

I gave a lot of...

I practically had the final

say in closing things, you know,

even for artists like, "What about Bau?"

when Bau came, and so on, and "What about so-and-so?" you know,

so it was very much like that, you know?

So, they had many opinions, they believed

in you, they trusted you,

these partners, because you were the one who was

there for the first time, with the first

ear, you know? And they also sent songs,

many songs from many of

their artists, I listened first and said, "This one's good,

cut this one, don't move forward with this one," you

know, right? Many songs, songs from Lisa, I

sent and listened and said, "Hey, this one

here, you see?" because they trusted, right?

Because of the ear, even now I've heard, of course,

on the radio, yeah, I can see that,

man, I've heard music. I know what

this is, you know all

the songs, man, everyone knows. You know.

My friend, you're right there, you hear, you receive, my exact message, because you can already say, right there, you

're able

to say if this will be a hit, if this won't be a

hit, yeah,

well, I saw it in you, for example, right? I, I

say, "That won't work," you know?

Even now, many songs that are released, I

look at them and I think, "If that's not going to work,"

I usually say, "That song

will be listened to, maybe, a lot, a lot,

danced to,

oh, they'll listen to it once, then they'll throw it in the

trash." You understand, yeah? And why do people do that? Because

I, because I'm very

upfront, you understand, yeah? I can see

that because they, they saw it, because they know

that André, everyone knows that André is

upfront. If something doesn't work, he'll say, "That won't work."

Many new talents,

when they came to the radio, I'd say, "That's going

to the trash" or "That's going to the playlist," right?

So I'd say, "That song is

for the trash, yeah, yeah." So, the

only song that I, that I didn't like,

but then it became a hit, was "Music by Adriles," huh? It's

just a photo, yeah. When I saw

that photo, photo, what a joke, this

photo, photo of What a song in life, oh

no, but the song hit, so I said, "Fi,

here it was proven the opposite, then it

happens, right?" Yeah, yeah. Yes, of course,

positively, even more so, exactly, it was

positive, I said the song hit.

Yeah, okay, and if a song is hitting

and people are liking it, you have to

deliver, right? You're on a radio show, man.

Exactly, that's it, it's nice.

Man, life of a radio host, man. And yeah,

experiences you have in this field,

people you've seen, and you, for

example,

okay, almost 30 years of career as a

radio host, man. You've seen almost all the

phases, the good, the average, the worst,

maybe all the phases of radio. How do

you see, for example, that today the

market is very different, right?

In the past, okay,

radio was almost... It's

mandatory, you have to make a spot that

goes on the radio. I remember, I worked

in an advertising agency back

when there wasn't this digital world.

You'd go there to record and do voice-overs, and that's how I got to

know this world. I

said here, but there's nothing that comes out of this

agency that doesn't go through the

radio. I had jobs that were... only today, I don't

know... I think... I feel, in a

way, that radio has lost

some value. Hmm... And that today, maybe

radio isn't listened to as much as it

used to be. How do

you feel about this, you being there

working, feeling... What are the changes

you've felt in this business? I

usually say that

radio had its... it had its... it still has it today,

yes, because many

people listen to the radio in their cars.

The way they listen has

changed, right? Radio has to follow the

platforms, it's not like today, for example,

technological ones, you understand? So

radio has to go

after internet users because... what... what... it

already shares a lot with other

types

of platforms, you understand?

YouTube,

social networks, television. Television has always existed,

but there was practically only one

television channel, right? One, two, or

three, and so on. We didn't have all this digital

stuff from recent

times, for example. Yes, and television has gained a

lot of space. Television has covered a lot of

space. And radio, before it was normal for

people to be at home listening to the radio

and not watching television. But now

they are much more into television. But be

aware that not everyone listens to it.

There are urban areas, and as

you move away from the urban area, the closer

radio gets to those people. That's the reason we have

community radio stations and all

that. Exactly, many people

listen to the radio. Now, the more you go into

urban areas, the more it

reaches people. There are more middle-class people

and so on. You have your

smartphones, you have

internet access from internet users on platforms like that.

Nowadays, all that doesn't

transmit there because you know that the person

on

Facebook isn't at home. You

carry a television from one place to

another, right? So, having television, a

television station, television has to go after

internet users on platforms. So, you're

on television, you see, today for example, it

's possible... Listening to Radio Cidade through

listening to the radio online,

exactly on YouTube, Facebook,

all of that, we have a link there, yes, you

have one on the website, it's

possible to listen to Radio

Cidade on websites, but it's

different because

television is different. Television

transmits to, for example,

Facebook. You open the television and it's live, right? It

's television, radio, you know that

radio transmits to social platforms.

It has the

rights, you know, you put music on Facebook,

Instagram, it cuts

certain music that doesn't have rights,

Facebook is automatic. It's different, it's

different from television, yeah man, on

television people are talking, talking,

and now they're not, but it's different now, music is

cut, look, this video was muted, you

know, people who do live streams, they know

this thing, right? That's why even

DJs, back when they did a lot of

those live streams, yeah,

lives, during the time of COVID, all that

stuff, it was necessary to cut the

music right away. Because if you leave a song

for a while, then it's silenced,

it's because of that, they hadn't opened their

minds to, to, to understand part of it,

but yeah, that's exactly it, okay, okay, so Okay, it's

complicated. It's different now, isn't it? I

have a cheat sheet here for you, man, but

another thing, before I get into the cheat sheet,

I want to know how it was, for

example. Okay, besides radio, you also

worked in TV. Yes, I'm a

presenter of radio and

television programs. What do you like more?

Hmm, they're two different things.

On the radio, you have to

refine your voice more; on television, you don't.

So, radio is more comfortable

because on radio you can be shirtless

and stuff doing a

program. On television, I mean, you can't

put your finger in the room, yeah. So,

television is being watched. I couldn't

tell. You were here at the beginning

when you did that voice rehearsal, man. That

's right. Yes, so it

's different. Now, on radio,

you're at ease, right? Hmm, exactly. On

television, you have to

control your gestures. Where does your hand go?

Where does your hand go? And so on television.

This, on television, yeah, VIP area. For

how many years did you present those

programs?

Hmm, I think from 2013 to 2018. Okay, no, it

's 5. 6 or 19 years, I don't know, I've already forgotten, that

once a week, 19 or 20, around

there, yes, once a week, it's like

that VIP area program, and it was

like a talk show, it was a... well, yes,

a J Suarez, like that, yes, it wasn't very common

here in Mozambique yet, right? So,

in recent times, I was the pioneer of that

type of program, right? When I

started doing the program, it was replicated

by several television stations, nowadays we have

many tables, sofas, exactly, and so on,

but uh,

I wasn't the first to bring that

type of program. People have already

forgotten, Celo Domingos... Hum, he already had

that type of talk show with a set,

right? Yes, he did, but a few years ago,

television wasn't

very popular yet, let's say... How so? It was popular,

but it didn't have much expression, like that.

But he already did it, and people have

forgotten a long time ago, right? So, as I had...

I said, okay, what

program can I do? And so, I

usually call it combining the

useful with the unpleasant, right? Yes,

I... I said, "I'm going to

combine the useful with the unpleasant." So I

said, "OK, I had an accident, I don't know what,

so, uh, uh, I'm in a

wheelchair and all that, and I'm an entertainer. I

studied the program here, that type of

talk show, it's a

variety show, an informal conversation, but

presented by someone who has a

knack for comedy, a sense of

humor. That's why you see this type of

program. It's a type of

program that started in the United States

in 1956, right?" So this type of

program is always made by someone

who's a joke guy, a

humor guy, exactly. All these great

presenters of these programs are

guys who do humor shows and, I don't know, who

have that knack, right? Okay, so

if someone has that knack and does that, that's it,

but the rule of this program is that the

person who does this program has a

very strong knack for humor, a real knack for jokes.

I said, "I have that, I've already joked,

I have a program

that gave out awards, MMA, music, but

American, I did that." I

really enjoyed the program, the artists, but always

jokingly, I've always been like that, OK, so

I said, OK, I have this, OK, here's a

table missing, and I'll put it together, you know, useful, unpleasant,

unpleasant, that which I, that I suffered,

and so on. So, the sofa, uh, the rule is, the audience, the

rule of that program, the program's props, and the

audience and the band. You understand,

that's a table,

sofa, or, you know, band, audience, everything

happening there, the audience has to be there

live, watching, live audience, and so on. Okay,

I didn't get an audience, it's not because of the time it was on,

but the band was there,

the program was there. So, in

recent times, I was a pioneer, so other

television stations were like, "Oh, you're doing that,

let's do it too!"

So nowadays we have, nowadays we already

have many, many tables, and... and...

now, when I was talking about the

program I did, um, the MMA

Music Awards, which is through DDB,

Vasco Rocha, right? So, uh, it was

there that

Vasco gave a

great opportunity, you understand? Because I had already

done

television before, I had already done...

And Cacau, we had done television, which is

a program

about a soda brand, a

soda brand, a

Coca-Cola brand, yes, you could say Coca-Cola brand, it's a program called Coca-Cola brand,

you were the presenters,

we were the presenters of the

Coca-Cola brand. So,

Vasco, right? Vasco R knew about this, right? As the

host, he had this

MMA project, André. What about you

doing a program? I still didn't

believe it, right? I thought you were capable of

it, but after that, right?

After the accident,

so I was like, "Ah, I'm capable." I said, "Ah, I do

n't know, I'm in this situation." But

André, you, you're crazy. You're going to do

it then, Vasco? You're going to do it? What do

you think? You're going to do it, man?

You get there and bam, with all this, it

's not a problem, you can do it." So

that was practically your first

challenge after the accident. Yes, yes,

exactly, on television. Yes, he's the one who made me

believe that what's the problem? I don't

know, go there, man, go there, people

say, feel free, show up, man. I said, "Okay,"

I was still frustrated, and no,

I said, "OK." Okay, so that's it,

he gave me that, so it was the

first one, I already forgot where it was, it was in one of

those cinemas, cinemas something, Africa

or whatever, so I went there and said, "Let's go in

with a speech, first about

the situation I was in, and so, but that's where

I went in with a personal

speech, you know, I don't

know what, but I'm here, so I used

the 'Yes I can,' like, yeah, it's a phrase

from Obama,

right? So I said, 'And this...' So the

people... and that's when I started

doing the delivery program, right, this

MMA, and that's where I made fun of a lot of people, I made fun

of dopes, I made fun of Dr.

Mingos, I made fun of everyone, I made fun

of MC Roga, I made fun of everyone, but always

in a joking way because,

you know, that's what identified you, yes,

but I saw the order, I saw the order, but in the

United States, and I saw the

presenters, you know, of the order, I don't know what they

used with the artists. But I always joked, it was in a

sporting way, right, it wasn't out of

malice. It was in a sporting way, some of them..." He got

slapped recently, the thing was, he got

slapped, luckily nobody

went up on stage at that time. Now,

some people got angry, but anyway, that's how it is.

Some took it a little badly, but it's

normal, it's normal that someone... yeah, let's go

back a little bit, I want to understand

a part, you André, when was

your accident? How was it? What car was it in?

Ah yeah, it was mine, it was

in my car, it was... yeah, it was mine, it

was in 2001,

yours, it was mine, E7 2007, hum. Yeah, okay, so how did

I understand a

little bit from what you just said,

your time... let's go, that

time of exile, all that didn't last long,

you had an accident, you were gone for a short

time, then this opportunity to

present MMA came up. No, first it was

going back to the radio, right? Going back to the radio, to

Rádio Cidade, because when I had the

accident I was at Nova

FM, yeah, then I had the accident, so it was kind of on

hold, and then

the director-in-chief of Rádio Cidade,

Patrício Filipe, invited me, André, come on, come on, do

radio, yeah, okay, I went, I went. When

I created a program, actually, I created the

Impulse program, the Impulse program...

uh, that's where I gave it the name, I

created the Impulse program, and that's where I

created a segment that was very successful,

very successful, which was the Top Worst.

What happened was that

trashy songs were appearing, I said

everyone wanted to sing them. There was a time when everyone wanted to sing,

everyone

wanted a partner, a singer. I said, "What kind of

joke is this?" I created the Top Worst, Top

Trash, man, let's go! And

I even put the worst songs in that Top Worst, it was

like, in that top, the

number one song is the worst, Top Last Like, number one

is the worst, yes, it's like this, number four,

song number four is song X by

singer X, and number one, the worst song

is so-and-so, I already put number, I even put the number

of the thing, the thing, the

father of

Bang, I

already put the song of

Bang's father in the top. He was also a singer, he

sang a song there, PJ, right there, and so on, uh, I

put the song of the puss Kat, there were some

that appeared, P put there, song Well,

what happened was that the group

was

made up of three people, and

I didn't have a Mozambican background. This

group wasn't from

there, it

was made up of Miss Did

and someone else, I already forgot who it was, and

Lena de Sousa, who is now

my boss at the radio station,

Alena Sousa. At that time she was my

colleague, right? So what happened was, I was so

crazy that I would do the show,

put on their music, and she would replace

me. I would leave at 4 pm, she would come in at 4 pm, it was like,

I left and you

finished with her music at the top, then she would come

in. It was like,

OK, I'm working, it's a

game, nothing personal, it was funny, yeah, it was

funny, it wasn't anything personal, nothing personal.

While she was my colleague and

part of that group, and I put the

group's music at the top, worse, it's good,

André, put on these songs, what do you want to sing,

and play here, so, well, I was

funny because of that, right? Because, well,

no, but it wasn't anything personal, it was just

a phase, right? It was a phase. Okay, it

was a phase. Okay, it was the comeback. What I

was saying was, the first return

was to the radio, right? It was after I

was also invited by Vasco to do the

MMA project, yeah, so your

recovery and overcoming process was

quick, it wasn't a long thing. You went straight back, you came back right away, and

yes, yes, it did

n't take long. It was, let's

say, seven months, almost a year, right?

2008 I was already doing the program, right? Since then, I

created the program and did the

program on the radio, yeah, so it was around that time, it

wasn't very long, right? It was good, man, and

after that, a person is

like, yeah,

can I...? Well, our lives

change, man, our lives change completely. That's it,

everything really changes,

yeah, and what has to happen is

that. There are people who say, "

Oh my, what's the deal?" That's it, right? A

person who suffered something like that needs

people who give strength, motivate,

and I had those people, you understand?

So, whoever has that needs someone to

motivate them, needs someone, let's go.

Hey, let's go out! You understand? Let's go!

Imagine someone who used to go out a lot, and

suddenly this happens. The person

is

like, "This happened to me." There has to be

someone who says, "Let's go out! Let's

go to the club, whatever!" You understand? There has to be someone

who motivates the person to say, "And finally,

I can! Yes, yes!" Yeah, that's it, you understand?

So I need to have everyone who has

suffered this, there has to be someone who

motivates the person. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, people, it

's not easy, but we fight, we're here, right?

And hey, you had that person

quickly. It took me about two years for me to

at least be able to go out, to start leaving the

house, to be able to do something else, but

since I started going out, man, my

whole life has

changed, and today here I am talking

to you, man. Go on, who would have thought? Who would have thought? You've

seen it, and you're hosting a

show! You've seen it! Yeah, I'm hosting a

show,

man! But I'm one of the investors,

nothing, man. A great idea, I

can learn from you, hear from you, from

your experience. I know you're a

guy, André, who represents... It's very important for

our culture, especially for music and

entertainment, and I

'm here to pay you

homage, to give you my

recognition while you're still alive. So, I

'm nobody, I have no

authority, nothing, but I bow before you and say that I'm

your fan, I admire your

abilities, your resilience, your

strength. And this thing of you being here,

me being in my position, speaking,

is different, but seeing

someone in the same condition doing it,

man, it's very inspiring, motivating,

inspiring. A few days ago I also had

a

young man here, Anderson, I saw him on Instagram,

yes, he also had a car accident recently,

and he contacted me,

and I also opened up

opportunities for him, I'm also going through that,

I'm in that situation, I

'm in that condition. And if I can

also do good,

share what my

experiences of difficulties were, I will

do it with great pleasure. That's it,

and it's also important to tell

people while they're alive, you understand? Because I was

commenting a few days ago

that there are people, you know, after they've

passed on to another place,

and so on, this happens. Only then do

people start to see,

ah,

after all, after all, I usually say if these

people were to resurrect for a

second, I'd say, "Wow, I was so

important

after all, wow, after all, after all,

I was so important

after all, after all, my whole life is here, after all,

my ceremonies are being held

here, after all, after all, I was like this,

after all, I was so important." You understand, yeah,

people might know, like, yeah, I'm a certain kind of

person, but they don't know the dimension, they do

n't know, I personally

can't look at myself, but there are people who

approach me, say things that I

never thought could be

directed at me, these words, I

think that those who deserve this are

greater people and so on, but we impact in

some way, so it's necessary, it's necessary to

say in life to people, it's necessary to say to

people, but you are, you are, and I don't know,

you are this and that, right, yeah, exactly, even if it's just to

take the person to the steps of the Council,

where funeral ceremonies are held,

to say that your place is also

here in life, they didn't know they were going to have this

tribute, to have this. You understand, saying in life,

me, TS, here at the Steps of the Council, we are

here doing a... A tribute here

at Passo do Conselho, yeah, from the

Municipal Council. You understand, yeah, in life

we ​​are here, you are ISO. You are important,

deserving of this space, you are important

in life now, people later, right? Only the

person doesn't know, that's why when I say, look,

if the person takes a second to see, and...

After all, I didn't know, like, I was

this, right, people, like, people, like,

well, the Gia understand, yeah, they knew who

we are but they didn't imagine. You

understand, yeah, a people. I think we have to

do this while they are alive. If there is

someone you think deserves a

tribute from you, do it while they are alive,

man. It's not worth organizing a

show, organize an event to

honor the person, yeah, and say everything you

want to say to the person, for the

person to hear, man. Do you have an idea for

some radio program this year on B?

You can start doing that, tributes, right?

I think there should be, right? There are many people who

have to hear things, it's not important while they are alive, yeah, well,

another question I

have here, for example, we were talking

about your Impulso program on Rádio Cidade, you

had that musical criticism segment

on Impulso. Yeah, I think that's what it was

already. Okay, so, how do you evaluate

current Mozambican music and music

from the past? Okay, quality and

diversity... how do you think

our evolution has been, André? Well,

from what I've followed, the

evolution... right? From those times when people did

n't pay attention to the

vocal level, the

quality... there was a time when people

just sang, right? They didn't pay much attention to

who had a good voice, who knew how to sing,

who didn't... well, back then it was like that... that was

that time... well, we've changed,

now we've evolved.

Knowing who sings isn't about

trying to deceive us. Those who started a long

time ago and succeeded... we're not against them, everything was fine, that was

that time, they succeeded. I want to

understand, you're a person

capable of doing that filtering

impartially, right? Because that's been

your job since the beginning, man. You're the

guy people believed in,

trusted, who said, "I'm going to give this song a try."

If this guy plays my song, it's

because it's hit; if this guy doesn't play it, it

's trash. Yes, exactly.

So, quickly, people like... like...

bander For example, right? The music

was there, the music was on the radio,

and I hadn't discovered the song, and

nobody was playing it. It's an artist, it's an artist,

nobody... I said, "This song is funny." You

understand? When he was still a band, he was an

artist. If, before people saw him, they knew

he was an artist, the music was there,

yes, so I said, "This song is

funny because the song is funny." I do

n't know what kind of

artist this funny song is, it's

different. I started playing the song, and then

the song made the artist emerge. It gave him

that impulse, that's why I called it "

impulse." Now, talking

about this, right? Evolution, and... well,

we still

need to have an

identity. We have songs, we have

roots music, right? We have

songs, we have classics of Brazilian music, the kind that's

called the music of the Old

Guard, and we have the music of the new generation out

there, right?

And we have

to impose our identity on the music. It's true

that people aren't forbidden from

singing hip hop, I even like hip

hop, hip hop from the past, that's what I mock.

People aren't forbidden from singing

house, piano, and I don't know what, it's like to hit house,

piano, many times I laugh with people

who are singing piano, what if...

We're receiving original

heavy piano tracks, worse now, worse now. It's not like back then

when heavy piano tracks were

n't yet available, it wasn't even

a piano track back then when songs did

n't come here right away. It was easy for

someone with contacts abroad to get

them here, but

not anymore. Now the singer Micano is

singing Amapiano, if we're receiving

original Amapiano tracks now, fast, we

're already here on the phone, we have

fast South African Amapiano tracks from the owners, the

heavy ones from Malta, all those there, it's all good,

and it's H, so what are you going to

compete with? Are you going to

compete with these songs that are coming so

fast? We're in a phase where

things from abroad come right away, are you going to

compete with a song? Are you going to be able to

compete with a South African piano track? No,

so get the identity. I often

say we have many songs

that,

transformed with a new look, aren't

urban and such, younger, cooler,

fresher, they can be our songs because

if you sing, I've already argued, I've already

argued, I've even had heated debates

with people who were imitating with

hard-hitting me. I've already

discussed it, I've already said it, I've already said it, anaconda, I've already

spoken about anaconda back in the day. Ah,

um, what? Are you going to put that in? Since I'm with

Castelo Bravo, what? What? With hard? What do

you want? To imitate even the Angolan accent? You're from Mozambique. You don't have your accent,

you're from

Mozambique, you're from Maputo. You're

from Pemba, you don't have your accent. Do you have an

accent or not? Sing there with

your accent. Why are you

imitating Angolan accents? Are you going to compete

with Angolans? If you don't have their accent when

they sing those

songs and sing that song in the

Angolan way, you're going to compete. So

why do you want to compete? Music arrives

quickly now, why do you want to

compete with the owner of the

accent? You have a Mozambican accent,

sing with a Mozambican accent. I'll

know that this song is from Mozambique,

okay? You can even put some

local language and such in the

song to know if I have a

disco in

Lisbon dancing to a song, you have to know how to

distinguish, you have to know that this song

is from... Angolan, this is Mozambican, and this

song is good, isn't it? People sometimes

get proud, like, "This song doesn't even

sound Mozambican." That's what's a source of pride,

okay? A good song that doesn't sound

Mozambican is a source of pride for

Mozambicans. No way, this

song is nice, it doesn't even sound Mozambican,

what pride is that? I don't

understand this, this song is good. You're

Mozambican, you're saying this?

This song doesn't even sound Mozambican, OK? That's what we

have to deconstruct, we have to get

rid of that, okay? We have to, I've always

said, I've always said, we have to stop

imitating, we can sing, we

can sing hip hop. Okay, but I

have to know that this hip hop is

Mozambican, you understand? Ah, you want to sing

here, mocking, right? Sing, but

you're saying "cuiar me cuiar," you say "

cuar cuar do qu," what is that? It's "bué

bué de quê," man, you speak like that,

our street terms, I don't know, I

fear these songs pass, man, no, we don't

have "maning" because you don't speak "

maning." In the

songs, you're noticing, you prefer to say "

tá me cuiar," "tá me cuiar," what is it? I don't

understand what you're saying. If

the Angolan says "tá-me cuiar," I'll understand,

you understand? But suddenly, going to hear

an Angolan saying, "That song is Manin

singing, fetching ours over there, and it's going to be a

rhythm

there," what people don't understand is that's what

draws attention. It's not if

you sing a song in one of

those styles, but sing in

your own way, with your accent from

Cabo Delgado. But it's not nice, for

example, when a song from your age

values ​​a Chuabo accent, that's nice. Today, a

Quizomba sung in Changana isn't

nice. Nice is nice, like a Portuguese person

putting a little Changana or a

little Chuabo or a little Maua accent, that's

nice, and some do it, some are doing it, some do it.

For example, in the

podcast with Bao, he made a point of

mentioning that, which is when he started

introducing Changana and such into the songs,

the rhythms. So, it didn't work, it didn't work, so what

's the problem? Hmm, it has to

be... We have to impose

our identity in the music. Now,

regarding the rhythms, I only talked about the

message, right, the way we speak.

As for the

rhythms, we have many

traditional rhythms here. That's up to the

producers, you see? The producers are the ones who have

the knowledge of

musicality and production. The

producers have to find these

instruments to insert into the

musical productions, into these club-style musical productions.

If you put in a little

timbila or a

Mozambican instrument or a Mozambican rhythm, they

know how to do it. If I were a

producer, I can't do everything. I

can be creative in the things I

do. I'm creative

on the radio, creative on

television, and in all the things I

do, but also as a producer,

to teach you what you should do

in the music, how you should do it to

give a Mozambican touch to these

modern songs that people are dancing to. You understand? It

's like that. For example, the panza, the

panza was made in a certain way, the panza, the

base of the panza is reggaeton, hum, reggaeton is

that Latin Caribbean rhythm.

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So you understand, and if you look for that, that,

that base, and right? It was OK, at least

do it like Panza, and I consider

Panza our music, you understand? Our

music has that base, that beat, but the

rest is all Amico, the way of speaking, the way

Amico expresses himself in music,

you know, Amico understands. So why

not do that with other rhythms? You understand?

Do that with other rhythms, I think,

wait, let's go, let's

illuminate. If we had to say, for example,

identify, for example, the last

musical style that was born in Mozambique is

Panza Genu, something that came, so

we can even say that this

here, there have been other rhythms that tried, but it

was the one that managed to impose itself, right? We've already

had Bondor, I think it comes from the center,

the rhythm that... We've already had some

rhythms that tried, right? And also a

good initiative, right? But it didn't succeed, right?

But the rhythm that remained, like what

we call the new generation, right? Hmm, but we've been

calling it the New Generation for a long

time, right? It's not that new anymore, OK? But

can you make some jokes? I don't

know if you can laugh at them, we

're already in a phase, OK? Well, it's... it's... it

's the only music, the

only musical rhythm of ours that's from

recent times, and we don't have another one. So

the producers have this ability, you understand, to

take, to create

rhythms, to create styles from

these, I call them copies of some rhythms

from abroad, to create something of our own because that

way we're globalized, right? Well,

we can use some things, but it's not

everything. A person can sing a "

passada" or a kizomba with an Angolan accent,

with Angolan terms. What does that person want? After all,

how are they going to

compete? Are they going to compete with Pérola? If

Pérola, who is Angolan, has that

accent, they're not going to compete with her because

she's natural, her accent is hers. So

sing those songs, but put

musical identity into them. Sing as you are,

with the accent of your area, no problem.

And if you want, put in a little bit of the

languages, some terms from your areas, or

those street things and stuff, maning, yeah, you

see? So, off the top of my head, who do you think is

doing a good

job in this, more or less, heading in

that

direction of identity?

Well, we can't, and we don't need to think too much, do we? I

mean, one of the people

who... There's an identity in the music

we're talking about, where what you use will

show you

it's

exactly Mr. B, that's it. I mean, there are

others, right? The person who is a reference

is Mr. B, who has our identity, has

our rhythm, Mr. B and others,

right,

Lorena, Marlene, and so on. So, and they

're not hitting the mark, I ask, they're

not hitting the mark, they're hitting the mark. So what's

the problem with the

others? They don't need to create the same

rhythm, right? Create these other rhythms, but

put a little bit of Mozambican identity in,

you understand? So that's what's missing, is having Mozambican identity. I can, or whatever you say is what I'll accept because, look, I believe you're a guy who has the competence, the legitimacy to be able to talk about this, that you know, you know how

this industry works, you've been there

from the beginning until now,

backstage, following all of this. So whatever

you tell me, I'll accept it as if it were from

a person with

legitimacy, that this information and

your opinion has value to me, I

mean, it's my opinion, other

opinions, so yours is one that I'll

take into consideration because it's one that...

I value it. I know you're there, you've

always been there, noticing who's

doing what they're doing, how it

evolved, how you

could see the journey of many of these guys, some

who emerged and

others who came out of nowhere, and you're there

following all of that, yes, well, so

this is

something that people should listen to,

because you, for example, the producers,

should pay more attention to these new

things that we can start introducing

into our music. Yes, because what

I see is that, for example, Panza, and there are

few

Panza producers, exactly how many Panza producers?

Panza, when it started, okay, it was called

a bit like Deuta and so on, Zuta Panza, Tucuta

Panza, a fight between those names, okay, it

became Panza, right? Okay, but who were the

Panza producers? Ardiles,

Cuca, let's say Ardiles and

Zico, I mean, two people, around there,

two people,

um, right, in a country, okay, I know the country is

big, maybe in Nampula they don't,

examples of this new generation, you can include,

maybe Hélio Bits, wasn't he already there,

and

then... I don't know how many

years

and I'm liking H Beats because he's

bringing something refreshing, he's

bringing a new vibe to Panza, right?

I've always talked to

Ardiles, okay Ardiles, okay Panza, yeah, good, but

put some things in there, like, evolve a

little, right Panza and so on, and El Beits, well,

when you listen to El Beits, you feel...

I'm not saying that Panza, Ardiles,

or Zic aren't, they aren't, but

El Beits is different, El Beits is

different, so it's also necessary, right, for

the new generation to emerge, the new generation will

bring something different, it's always been like that, it wo

n't stop being like that, those who called themselves the

Old Guard, then this new

generation, in a while, will call

those others the Old Guard, and so on,

right? We're

walking in that direction, you

understand, ladies and gentlemen, an

encyclopedia here at your disposal, Mr.

André Manissa, who has an impartiality,

a peculiar perspective on various

subjects. André Manissa, today you're also an MC,

right, master of ceremonies, yes, yes, well, yeah.

I'm happy because you're also a

guy who stepped out of his comfort zone to

confront things, man. You didn't let this

disability or this

condition

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condition you. There's a light that

guides you, that leads you, you get

lost, right? It's what I

talked about, not having someone to

motivate you. Okay, so these things, these

conversations, are important for

people because, I mean, before,

before I had an accident or

before you had an accident, you also saw

others, I also, before I had an accident, I was there

running around, you know, I also

saw people passing by in

wheelchairs, but I didn't know anything, you understand, I didn't

know anything exactly, and you'll never

know either if one day it will happen or not, okay?

So I saw people passing by, today I thought, "

Ah, that guy is a guy in a

wheelchair, he's passing by," and yeah, you understand? You

'll never know, you didn't know what it was like to

be in that condition. So you

'll never know, so it's not

general knowledge, but it was important information

because it's likely to happen to

anyone at any time, not everyone. Everyone

drives cars, everyone

drives, I don't know what, so we can get

run over, you don't even need to be driving a

car, suffer a fall or anything,

have an accident of this magnitude in a

wheelchair, no, you can't imagine, right?

Nobody will imagine, right? You can't

imagine, it's that, that's what... Man, what

I said, I thought

that when I was in this class, when I went to

a rehabilitation center, they weren't going to

teach me how I'm going to

transfer from the wheelchair to the car, how I'm going to get out

of the chair to the toilet, how

I'm going to get dressed. I thought that a

Rehabilitation Center was a place where I would get

organized, even if I was going to get out

of there and walk, even if it was by

limping or something. It's not the place

where they taught me

occupational therapy, physiotherapy, all those things, yeah,

exactly. And as you said,

and that I'm a master of ceremonies, right? Well,

for me it's easy, right? Because I'm a

presenter, I do radio, radio is a

microphone, and master of ceremonies is presenting

things, right? And so on, events and stuff,

but man, it's not just like that. Calm down, for

me it's not, for you, at this stage it can be like that

because you already have...

Naturally, our situation, but I

remember the times I had to

be in this situation in front of

people, yes, yes, yes, it's always a

bit of an award, you know? You see that guy looking at you, wondering

what he's thinking, what he's

doing, until

we overcome that, man, it's a

process, yes, yes, yes, of course, it's that process, it's a

process. Today you

're performing that role of master of

ceremonies in a situation where you're going to run, for

me it's top-notch, man, it's something I admire, that

study, yes, yes, ah, it's different, man, you

know, in that situation, even if

you see a situation there and say, 'Hey, I'm going to

run, I'm going to get there,' you don't run, you do

n't get there, you know

something's happening there at that

moment. You're not going to get there, and how is

another guy who's presenting going to get

there? Exactly. Yes, man, to manage

that environment in that situation, man, top-notch, and I

also want to give a hug to

Vasco for pulling you up at that

moment, man, man, top-notch, man, exactly.

So, uh, I usually say that depending on

the functions, it's not, um, depending on

your functions, right, if you If you have a

situation where you have to stay in a

wheelchair, will you stop doing

that job or not? Well, the luck I had

was that I have a microphone, I can come here and

talk, you know? Now, a footballer... no, a footballer's

career is over. You understand,

you can end your career, you can end

your career now. What

people can do is adapt. It's not

like adapting to doing one thing you can't do anymore, you have to

direct yourself to other

things. That's the ability to overcome,

you see? That's what

people have, because there are people who perhaps

performed a function that they then

said they can no longer do because it was a

condition, you

couldn't, for example, work as a

bricklayer or what? You were a

bricklayer, you climbed those

scaffolds, you were a

painter, you worked at the port, you were a

stevedore, you carried things, sacks from the

ship for I don't know what, and then you can't anymore,

yeah, and now you have to

reinvent yourself, right? That's the

right word, you have to reinvent yourself. Yeah,

but what's important is, right?

Always believe, it's important to have faith and have... Faith

and someone who motivates, there's someone who

motivates, someone who comes on, that's

important, it's important because alone, man, it

's complicated, someone who, hey, hey, who were those people who

did this for you,

give me those names, who were the

people who today, you have to say

that, man, if I am here today, it's also

because you pulled me out, you pulled me up,

ah, I mean in professional terms, right,

in professional terms, you already said

some, Vasco Patrício, right, they called

H, but who was that H who was there all the

time, you were on top of

André, because I believe that in those

moments, even though you were there, we had

more low moments

than H, I, at least in my

recovery phase, yes, I got depressed

easily, uh-huh, yes, yes,

and a lot of people

supported me and gave me strength, from my family, not

outside, the people I talked about, right, who took me around, André,

pull my

wife, my family, I'm talking

about my mother, and my mother gave a lot of

support, you know, man, even today she

supports me, even today, she was always there

with me, she was there, and so on, right? And that's it, right?

Family in general, right? But also

a scene of mine, everything around there. The family

liked to see tears in my

mother's eyes because of me. I say that this

lady... it seems I never tire of causing

misfortune. I don't know, man, if I were the guy in the

family, the most terrible things would happen to me, man.

Just to tell you, before

this accident that gave me a wheelchair, I had

another accident that gave me all these scars.

My jokes, all the jokes, two

years I was in the hospital for

surgeries, so many things, all these scars.

Before that, I was a boy, I

had epilepsy when I was a child, I had

other things, man, and I was like this

after this condition, and I looked at

my mother and I said, "Hey mom, here I am again

giving you something so you'll

suffer like this because of me." Yeah,

I imagine, but mothers are strong, man. Mom,

yes, I imagine, you know, you know,

when you have children. You know, if you

receive a phone call, can you imagine receiving

a phone call telling you something? You

understand? I imagine, I don't know when

they called, before they called, when

exactly when they called, when they called

my mother because... For example, I mean,

I don't know if she heard where, because it

was on the news, on STV, it was on the

news, I don't know if she saw it on the news

or if they called her beforehand. It's very hard, it's very hard.

I don't know how they told her. You understand, yeah, I understand, yeah, it

's terrible. So, it's something like that, besides the

support, right? Besides the support, uh, in the

sense of that motivation that was from

DDB, right? They made a board for me

that all the collaborators signed. I still

have the board today, yeah, all the

collaborators signed the board. Right, right?

That thing about the

ambulance, the ambulance too, and they

took care of a lot of things, right? And the

rest of the people, a lot of people who

supported me, my family, my sister and everything, man,

and all the other people who

supported me, there was also an event, there was an

event at Coconuts,

fundraising, exactly, there was an

event there, a lot of people were there, and so on,

for your treatment, these things, exactly, yeah.

And so, right? I want to thank

all the anonymous people, everyone, and I want to...

Thanking you is very important, and I want to

thank all those anonymous

citizens who,

sometimes I'm in a place

with stairs, two or three steps, and I need support,

and so on. Everyone deserves my

support, yes, and also all the

anonymous citizens out there who always

support me when I'm in a difficult

situation. I want to thank everyone. Long live Mozambique,

man, people of our country!

Exactly, André, something else I

need to know, for example, how it was

for you. I think one of the great

strengths you had in your

most difficult moments was your daughter. Yes,

explain it to me, because in

my case, at least, it was different.

Because the children I had came

later, the children were already born, while they

saw me in this condition. Your case was

different, yes, explain it to me. How was it?

How did you manage to support yourself? How was

your relationship with yourself and your

daughter? Because I know I can

see in you and your spouse that you have

a very strong bond. You can leave

everything to her, yes, and that's even one of the

conditions. So, for you to watch the podcast, it was because... At

this hour I can't, I'm with

my

daughter, so I want to understand this

connection you have. Man, it's like this...

uh, for now, the reason why I

overcame it, right? What happened to me was her, right? It was

the chance, because I... I said, I

thought, I have... I have... I have her... I

have... she's still little and

needs someone. How old was

she when this happened? She wasn't

a year old yet, she was

months old, right? Exactly months... so I... I

said, OK, she's

here, man. What does she need?

She needs me? My... it's not

worth it, I have to be here. You

understand? Yeah, I have to... I have to

stay here, I have to... I have to

be here on Earth, I have to be

here for her. You understand? Yeah, because

she needs, she needs a father. She's a girl. You

understand? Because I usually say

female sex, female sex, male sex, girl

is more sensitive, and... boy, little boy,

then... and... boy is boy, but girl is

susceptible, raz, raz to many things, that's why it

's difficult to see a girl

begging at a traffic light, rarely. Look,

a girl isn't... yeah, she's a little girl. She's

accompanied, she's accompanied. You understand

why? Because there are many

attacks, it's a lot of things. You understand? And

girls always... I used to say, the

popular saying is more about fathers than

mothers, right? Exactly. So I said, no,

she's here. I have to, I have to, I have to

be here to support her. Hmm, yeah, she was... I

usually say she's my

oxygen. You understand? Yeah, she was one of

the main things that made me

say, "I'm not here, I have to

be here, I have to, I have to

overcome this, I have to do things

because she needs me, I have to go after things, I

have to work, I have to do

things because she needs me, I have to do

something, I have to make money, I have to

find sources, I have to because she

needs me, right?" Yeah, yeah, she was a

driving force, she was mine, exactly, she's the one

who made the machine work. Yeah, yeah, it was

her who made me get up. Dad loves

you a lot, huh? Yeah, yeah, so,

daughter... Ah, daughter... P loves you

very much. You saw? Hey, everyone already knows. Yeah, so, yeah, it

was her. I'm happy about that,

man. I see that she's almost 18,

huh? Yeah, she's entering another phase of

her life soon. André, she's

already telling you, "Dad, I have to

move on with my

life," and so on. Yeah, yeah, I can say, I

can say happily or unfortunately.

You understand? Yeah, but it's not happily, but it

's happily happy, but deep down

you're like, no, man. God is like babies, He

works with purpose, man, they

're always our babies. God works with

purpose, nothing is in vain, nothing is by chance, man,

everything has its justification. So, yeah, there

was this episode on the

Costa do Sol, on the Costa do Sol before the

ring road, right? There were only two cars, only

two, and when I filled it up, it was a

full Sunday, man. I also have one of

those. I had it when the singers

had convertibles, yeah, in those

days, convertibles, right? So, there were

convertibles from the cars, she was at the

wheel, and I was there in the middle, oh no, not there, next to her.

So I had my phone, right? I

had my phone, but I didn't have it. The

phone was full, right? It was a

busy Sunday. We were going to do that round trip, going there and

back, or whatever it was, I do

n't know if it was from Pedra or right there,

and then back to the restaurant.

And suddenly my phone

disappeared from my

hand. It was so fast, you know?

They stole it right there, suddenly. I didn't even have my

fingers anymore. But when we were

passing by, during the route, it's Miss

Av. André Manissa, Miss Av. André Manissa, and

then up ahead this happened. When

I did this, they were already chasing

after the thief, tracking the thief,

they snatched the phone. It didn't take long, it

disappeared.

I was here, phone man. Oh, thank you, it did

n't pass. It didn't pass, not a minute passed.

What luck, it was fast. It was crazy. It was

a mess. I

called you, two of them were already there,

and we continued. Because

we almost didn't stop, you know? Because of the

traffic. Okay, we're going slowly, we're going slowly,

two lanes man, yeah, some of us

going there, we're going slowly,

the cars there. We didn't stop, the

phone disappeared and came back, and the phone came back.

No, we didn't stop, the phone... Oh, it

was gone. One of those times, you know,

people would give me

rides, and I'd ask for a lot of rides

because I didn't drive, I'd ask for a lot of

rides

to go to the radio station and stuff, and I'd call a lot, call a lot, it

's all good, Valdimir, rides, it

's bling, it's ble, and it's... Bau, once at

Bau and v briar and I don't know what, and so on and so forth,

and Bau, we've been together and I do

n't know what, we're telling things from the

times, you know, there are many

people who gave me strength, you know, and also,

and who gave me strength too, my

wife, my current wife, who

gave me a lot of strength, you understand, a lot of strength,

she lifted me up a lot, I don't say, I do

n't mean to say, I want her to know that

she lifted me up a lot, a lot,

so my type, yeah, and you

see, I would stay, I would

stay, I want

to understand a part here, a curiosity, in

this part, since you talked about your

wife, I'm curious who conquered whom,

and I can say it was me, right? Like, a

message on Facebook and stuff,

exactly. I sent a message, after

a while, um, she replied, then

I sent another message, like, "Hello, hello, hello, hello," and so on. Um, and that's it, we

started having

a phone conversation and so on. Um, that's what

I was amazed by, was that she

wasn't lazy about picking up the chair,

folding it, I don't know what I could teach her. I was like, "

What?" I was thinking, like, a woman, you know,

always needs a

worker there to help with these

things, and she doesn't have those fancy things. You understand? Yeah, I understand, I know

exactly what you

're talking about. So I said, "Wow,

yes ma'am." So it was one of the things, you know,

that I found admirable, she didn't see you like that, she did

n't see the chair like that, exactly, yeah, yeah,

yeah. So she's one of the people too,

Nelinha, yeah, yeah.

Man, but tell me more, André. Hey, no, but it's that,

no, but it's that, but it's that, no. She

gave me a lot of support, made me believe,

made me think, wow, you understand? It's that you, you start

thinking, you start thinking, like, "Ah, no, no,

not possible, I already, then even get married and

everything, mine

is..." It's possible, we're here, right? It's

possible, yeah, so I was... it's one of the

things I was like, yeah, you know that,

I didn't believe it was possible, even to get married, wow, yeah, I was

really spectacular, yeah, yeah.

So it's like that,

but you don't like to talk much, man, no,

I don't talk, talk. Eh, no, my, this

story, you, this story, you had to

tell it really well, nothing just

on Facebook and

everything, no, I'm not going to say what

I wrote on Facebook, otherwise others will

learn,

otherwise others will learn, they're

tactics, they're tactics, but you've already used them, you're not

going to use them again, man, no, no, I'm

kidding, I'm going to tell you what I

wrote on Facebook, um, what I wrote

was,

ah, it was, how did you start the

conversation, have a good weekend, have a

good weekend. H, I'm like that, you

know what, uh, I'm amazed

when I usually comment on you, but there are

persistent people on Facebook, why do they do that,

um, to women on

Facebook, you understand, um, hello beautiful, I don't know what, you have

ways to start, it's not like that, you know,

these flirts, my

beautiful. She's fed up with "beautiful study" in the

inbox, "beautiful beautiful" Hello beautiful beautiful what? Hello ugly

sends

different things, it's like that, even sends

different things, I sent Hello have a good weekend, that's all.

And the conversation started, then

after a while she replied Hey

thanks and stuff, yeah I said Ah Nice I replied

but after a while, you know that MH

gingam yeah then I started everything

well yeah and the conversation flowed you see, so that's

when we went to the

phone because the conversation I sent was,

hey I can't imagine your image I can't

picture your voice what

your voice must be like, what's that for, to

have a

number how is it how your voice

your voice what must it be like, deep

shrill Ah and my voice I don't know

where Do you understand what number exactly they

learned apram yeah they learned right yeah

so it was like that we already skipped the number you

understand so then it was that

normal conversation you see it's like that

so my you when it starts "beautiful

beautiful every day" and then you When

you send a

message once, for example, I sent "

Hi, have a good weekend" and then stayed quiet. It's

not about insisting, about

sending another message the next day. You can't just send "Hi, you didn't

reply" the next day, you're starting to get annoying. Do you understand?

I sent "Hi, have a good weekend"

and left it at that. If she wants to

reply, she will. If not, it's because she doesn't want to. You can't

insist. If that person doesn't want to,

then the next day... There are people who

send "Hi, I sent you a good

weekend yesterday, you didn't reply,

why?" the next day. That's when a problem starts. She

'll say, "Hey, how toxic," as they say

now, not exactly toxic. Just tell her to get

lost. Do you understand? Now

when you never have patience, there are

others here. "Hi" or "Hello," the

next day "Hi," but "Hi," do you think that if you

send 10 messages in 10 days...

That's the formula, no? If you're pushing her

further away, you're pushing her away, so that's why

I sent and left it at that. You can't keep waving it around,

you're waving it around

like you're beautiful the next day. "Hi,

morning, beautiful," go to her story, go

there, wow, how... You look beautiful.

Yeah, attacking from all sides, this is another

annoying guy, so that's it. Now, the person

who stays quiet, she stays quiet. Who are you

doing? He only sent it once,

let her

see. Charming, lessons, lessons, they should

learn, yeah, lessons, man, they're here,

encyclopedia, they're very annoying. Yeah,

but it was a beautiful ceremony. I remember you

invited me, I went to your wedding, man. It was a

surprise, you filmed, my, I didn't take photos, and man,

and believe me, it was something, man, I

went there too because I was also in a

phase of saying I wanted to do

different things. I didn't photograph

weddings or anything like that, I didn't have that

thing, no, man, they call me grandpa, grandpa, I

even called some of my colleagues, I said I

have this situation, let's go, support me, let's go

together, let's take some

photos, let's give them to you, and I believe, I think it was

one of the weddings I

photographed in the

most natural way possible. Hmm, I

went because I knew you already had other

guys who were doing that thing

too, but it was, I'm going to do it as a

gift, something that is, to contribute

something, your wedding photos, André, I was

there the next day, I think. I

probably only edited one or two photos; the

rest I didn't edit at all. I posted them as is,

and it was one of the posts I made on

my page at the time that got a lot of

likes without sponsoring or anything. They were

super natural wedding photos,

not from a wedding I

went to where I took the bride and groom to a place to do a

photoshoot. Nothing like that, just

natural. It gave me great satisfaction. It was

a good surprise

too. I said, "Wow, then when

you did that montage, that edit,

like, with that song, you know that

song?" I don't know if I knew

that song or not.

Oh, that song of

yours, yes ma'am, I didn't even

remember that scene. Do you remember that? And

we went together, right? Me, you, more than anything, yeah,

when you put that song on.

Then that song is a

nostalgic song, it takes you to

that sentimental side. I always listen to

that song, now when we saw it we were

like, "That song was a terrible surprise."

Actually, when I talked about it, I

already had a car before and after,

when I talked about it, I wanted to remember

something, you showed me that

thing to drive, it's because I... I drive, right?

So you were the first? I didn't know. I was

like, wow, I was watching you

drive, thinking, "Is that even possible?" That's it,

man, there's that thing

I just talked about, motivation,

someone showing you things, telling you, "Yeah, I do

n't know what," you know? Yeah, that day

we went out, we took a ride, we took a ride

with you. I'm showing you, I'm driving

here, I'm watching, I didn't know it was

possible. You understand? There you go, someone has to

show others that it's possible, right?

Okay, out of 20, 10 might believe and go after it and

succeed, right? Others might, "Ah, I'm not even going to

try," but okay, at least you've already achieved

that people, okay, you can see, you

inspired something, right? So you're the one who

showed that, man, I was like, "

Ah, so you can drive after all? I didn't know

I could drive again," you see?

You're the one who showed your life how it changed

after that, man, yeah, then when you

hit our legs, when I ordered that, I do

n't know how I know, man, yeah, and

you're the one who showed me that, yeah, seriously,

if you hadn't shown me, we could say... Ah,

but someone showing what you're still doing, you'd still be

connecting, right? Yeah, you're showing it, yeah,

so I also thank you, my

audience here, and we have to be there for each other, man.

Someone has to motivate. You understand?

I was really happy to

be there and to be a part of this

scene of yours, to see that we can do this, we can

support each other, man. Anyway, it was great, I really

liked it, but I feel like I have

n't said everything to you yet, man,

you still have a lot to say. And man,

how long have we been

talking for? 1:30 minutes is normal, everything's

fine, 13

minutes, but okay, let's see if I have

one more or not, man. I have another one, yes, the

last one I left for

you, regarding a subject I saw in a

post of yours a while

ago where you

expressed your admiration for TV

Sucesso for the work being

done by the team led by

Gabriel

Júnior. I shared that if it were

n't for you making that post, it would have

been me, for example. Uh-huh, tell me

how you saw that moment, what made you... I

made it come out and say that I'm not going to

assume [what I'm saying], I'm going to say this here because I'm

seeing good things, it's not like that, how do

I want this subject? I touched on the fact that we

can talk a little bit about this, right? Yes,

I shared it a little while ago, right?

Because we

were in that phase

of local elections and so on, so

several TVs had those

specific programs about it,

you understand? So then, it was successful, it was

practically the only one that kept

exploring the subject because

people always wanted to see,

wanted to hear about the subject,

wanted to hear the opinions of the various people. The

success was the TV that continued to

delve into the subject with debates every

day. People practically

only stayed with the one that was successful, it was

successful on this subject of

local elections. And one thing that

amazes me is that Gabriel Júnior, right? I say this, what

is called a partial democrat, that's what it is, that's what it is, you

understand? And this thing about impartiality

is something that defines a lot of journalism,

man, objectivity, impartiality, we all have to

be impartial.

Each one in their own sector. If we're going to be

impartial, right? Each one in their own sector, and so on.

Impartial Democrats, each one

in their own sector, and so on. Let's see, for

example, me, on the radio, I'm

also impartial. When they bring me music, I listen to

the music in an unbiased way. Hmm,

exactly. When I listen to music from

people who, since forever, even sometimes

want to, and so on, André, how about this, I don't know what, let's go have a few drinks? No, no, no,

thank you, I don't want to hear the music.

First, what drinks of what? Have a few drinks of

what? So this music, this music goes to the

trash, it goes to the trash. If the music is going to

play, it will play. Okay, nothing will make

that music play or not,

besides the

music itself, it has to be an audible,

playable song. Okay, the owner won't change

anything, the owner. I usually say, my mother

starts singing, singing jokes, it doesn't

pass on my

program, no, it doesn't pass. I'll say, "Mom,

Mom, yeah, but I'm your son, but this song is

n't good, I can't play this

song, you understand?" My mother sings, I wo

n't play her music if the music is

n't good, audible. If the music is, I

'll play it, it won't depend. If it's because it's

my mother, it won't depend on the product

of what she made. If the music is good, I

'll play my mother's music. My

family doesn't need to play it for other

family members, right? She's already said my

mother, so it's top-notch. So you know, from there down, down

is really

down. The music only plays if the music is

audible, playable, you understand? Being

impartial, that's it. It can't be about

someone playing the music for other reasons. I

feel that lately we've

lost this concept of impartiality,

objectivity. I think we're not

seeing much of this anymore, and maybe that's what

made us cling a little more to

success in recent times. We could

see this difference, a differential that

everyone expects to see because they

were being impartial. They are impartial

now, why? Because Gabriel Júnior, being

a person who is a deputy, uh-huh, of a

party, I'm amazed, I'm not like

I'm amazed because I'm not saying

I'm an admirer of them. Okay, he's an

admirable person because he's impartial, he doesn't mix

things up. In any sector, we can't

mix things up, you understand? Because we

have so many...

Mixed things from the

past, where we are, if we're

working in a place where they

deal with documents or whatever,

we're there, there's a line,

if a family member shows up they can't go

ahead, we have to explain to the

family member that, man, if you're not

pregnant, you don't have priority, you're not elderly, you don't

have priority, exactly, if my

family member,

uh, if my mother isn't, isn't, does

n't have any of those problems, it

's not, well, they have to stay in line, Mom,

because it's a job I'm doing,

people arrive early. You understand? If we're

impartial in all sectors of

entertainment, because what I said is

entertainment, right, delivering music or

playing, about who paid for drinks, not in all

sectors, man, it's going to be something,

a spectacular country, yeah, I also

agree with you, André, I think we

have to rescue those principles, man,

we have to make it clear, for example, there are

principles, there are principles, what you

said. I also think that here on my

program I won't have anyone who one day

won't bring information that I

can add value to someone, that can

serve to inspire or motivate the other

person who is there, if I bring someone here who

All they're going to do is make noise, blah blah blah blah, they're

not going to do anything, just

gossip. I'd be losing my focus.

I don't want that. I want

the program to continue like this, so

we can still be together.

People like problems, but this isn't where you'd

find them. People

like problems, they like problems, they like problems

to go and find... People like

this, right? Well, there are

specific programs for this, to

learn about these things, right? I'm not

against that, right? This is also part of the

entertainment industry, but everyone

defines their own profile, what they're going to do, right?

So, I define my profile, my program

will be about... I want to look for things about

people, that's my program, that's this program,

but with this, it's to perhaps

bring to light less toxic things,

man. I remember we already talked about this, I also had Aires

here on the podcast, one of the things

he said, which I'll

memorize, is that he says that today

entertainment itself is very toxic,

man, it only sells garbage because people

want, like, people don't like

problems, and friend, just say the name, they want,

you see, people like

this, they like problems, they like

problems, that's why I want to do something

different. And now, another

important thing is if you define the

profile of your program, right? Your program, whether it's

television or radio, right? You say, okay, the

program is... I'm going to talk about this, more, that,

artist, this, so-and-so, this, and that,

and the source is important, source, source, you

have to talk, you have to talk about

worthy things that you know... This

here, I'm sure, is from a source, it's

from a source. It's not someone who woke up in the

morning, wrote something, and you're already

promoting it, saying

this and that... Sources? You don't even have sources, it

's a lie. Do you understand? Okay, if you created

a program like this about gossip, about

things, right? In the sense of going to find

reliable sources, right? If you say that this

happened to so-and-so, and I don't know what,

you know because the same thing happened.

You even have a video or someone who

was there. Do you understand? That's how it is.

People want this, they want this, but

you give it a source, you don't say things randomly

like there are many bloggers now, those who

call themselves bloggers

who just replicate things, they don't even want to

know if it's true or not. First,

you have to know if it's true or not. You

heard it where? Oh, is it? Seriously? Okay, now I can, now I can, now I

can post this and

so on. People don't want to know, they want

likes, so I'm the first to talk about this

here. I don't know if it's a lie or not, if it's

true or not, but what matters is that I was the

first to say it. Later we'll

debunk it. Do you understand? Later on, it will all be

disproven, while the likes don't

come back, the likes here don't come back, the

defamation is already gone, you've already defamed

someone, that's the

problem, later on it will all be

disproven. But you've already published things,

you've already tarnished that person's name, and

that's already happened, I know that, that's what's

bad, right? You have to say things, that's fine, but

certainly... Besides, I think that

people who have this power to be in

front of a camera, a microphone, to be an

opinion leader, to be in front of a

television, have to have a bit more

respect for themselves, a bit

more

responsibility, we can't be like this.

Recently, André, I'm commenting

with you, there was this case of those two

presenters on television who were

fighting every day, one because of this, the

other because of that, ugly,

shameful. We can't go through

this, unfortunately it happens all over the

world, right? But no, it doesn't happen like that. I don't think it

happens that way everywhere,

these controversies happen, right?

People used airtime

to respond to other people,

CSO, and now that's something to

take to a program. Oh no. A person ca

n't use a program that has a

profile to talk about this to air

their own dirty laundry, right? To discuss,

no, not to

discuss, anyway, man

André, I have a voucher for you from

Roco

Papas. Oh yeah,

man, this is for people who need to have a

full stomach, man André, man, Roco

Papas is here. Roco Papas is near

Vladimir Lenin. Vladimir Lenin has

those bombs

there. Vladimir L. Hmm, okay, near

that school, the Industrial School, yeah,

turn right there, there's one on the

right or left, turn left, then

walk for a minute, you'll

see a green building there, I think it

's a guesthouse or a hostel,

something down there. Roco Papas, you can

do it, it's actually in the guesthouse, yeah, down, down, down,

down, the rooms

are upstairs

and that's not even there,

man, there's no elevator or anything, but that's

a room thing, no, that's a room up there,

man. Hmm, okay, that

's down here, if you don't want to, you can

leave. No, no, it's

ISO, otherwise you'll get confused, someone will

film you there too. Where you think it

's something else, no, I'm okay. Oh, you have to

go accompanied. No, no, you don't need to, no, you don't

need to, it depends on your

stomach capacity, man. You have the menu back there, see what you

want, they'll make it, yeah, it

depends on your stomach capacity. If

you can handle it for one or two people, that's it. I

thought you were talking about rounds for one or two

people,

okay? It's rounds, right? Okay, yeah, have you

seen this gentleman, man? He's

over 40 years old.

But may God continue to illuminate you,

André, so that you continue to spread this

joy, this happiness, that you can

also emanate this good vibe, man, that you

continue to inspire and

motivate people to say that even if

we are in this condition, it is possible. Oh

man, my life is made of challenges, man.

God only gives heavy weights to those who

can carry them, because yeah, we are theirs. We

are bad, very bad,

man, and that's it,

people, we can't let the

difficulties, the things that are put in

our way, serve as obstacles so

that we can achieve our

goals. We have to overcome this

and

do what they say, right? If God gives you,

make lemonade. So,

we have to adapt

and survive to be able to be here,

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