Here's What Nobody's Telling You About The "Missing Scientists" Cases | Ep. 1768

Beginning in the early 1960s, one after

another, former Nazi scientists and

engineers were targeted for

assassination in an Israeli intelligence

operation called Operation Damocles. The

scientists had taken new jobs developing

rockets for Egypt. And it was very clear

that MSAD, Israel's intelligence agency,

didn't want that program to continue.

So, MSAD agents sent mailbombs,

organized driveby shootings, and in one

case managed to make a prominent arms

dealer named Hines Krug disappear

completely. As the New York Times

reported at the time, quote, "The expert

Dr. Krug, who once held a top post with

a uh Stutgart Research Institute for Jet

Propulsion Physics, disappeared in

Munich on Tuesday, he was last seen

leaving his Munich office for an

appointment." Operation Damocles was

ultimately a successful program. It

terrified Nazi scientists and it

certainly made the idea of working for

Egypt much less appealing. It was also

good practice for MSAD which went on to

conduct many more assassinations of

foreign scientists. Most recently in

Iran just a few years ago uh towards the

end of Trump's first term, MSAD managed

to kill Iran's nuclear scientists using

a remotec controlled AI enabled machine

gun that was hidden in the back of a

pickup truck that was parked on the side

of the freeway.

uh which there it is right there. Uh

Israeli spies program the AI to

compensate for the machine gun's

movement in the back of the pickup truck

as well as the input delay from the

remote operation of the weapon. So when

the scientists drove by, all the MSAD

agent had to do was press the button and

shoot him. And at the time Iran had no

idea what had happened that they assumed

that snipers had been hiding near the

freeway. Initial media reports suggested

that a a gun battle had taken place. And

for their part, the MSAD contributed to

this confusion by blowing up the pickup

truck once the target was dead. Now, we

sometimes hear about these kinds of

operations when they're conducted by our

own intelligence services or

intelligence agencies that work with the

CIA, like the MSAD. That makes sense.

It's effective propaganda that sounds

like you're reading a spy thriller. And

people on our side like to brag about

successful operations. But at the same

time, it's very rare to hear about

similar operations that are conducted by

foreign governments within our borders.

And there's only two possible reasons

for that. Either foreign governments

aren't conducting any assassination

operations on US soil or they're

conducting those operations without

being detected or at least without our

government telling us about them. Now,

especially with the war in Iran

underway, it's not hard to wonder

whether indeed American researchers are

being targeted without the government

telling us. And in recent days, as

you've probably heard, there's a lot of

concern about this possibility. It's

gone mainstream, and now the White House

uh is involved. Watch.

Retired Major General William Neil

McCasslin was last seen in his home in

New Mexico in late February.

>> My husband is missing. Tonight, his case

is at the center of swirling online

conspiracies over the deaths or

disappearances of at least 10 scientists

that have caught the attention of the

White House.

>> I just left the meeting on that subject.

So, pretty serious stuff.

>> An FBI spokesperson now confirms the

bureau is spearheading the effort to

look for connections into the missing

and deceased scientists. So far, there's

no evidence linking the cases. But among

the disappearances fueling speculation

online, Monica Resza, a former NASA

scientist who vanished this past summer

while hiking in California, and Alabama

based anti-gravity researcher Amy

Katherine Escridge, whose death in 2022

was ruled a suicide. Others have ties to

nuclear research, aerospace programs,

and classified projects.

>> That's definitely something I think this

government and administration would deem

work worth worth looking into.

McCasslin's disappearance has drawn a

lot of attention because at one point he

worked inside an Air Force base in Ohio,

long rumored to house extraterrestrial

debris despite repeated Air Force

denials. And his wife wrote on Facebook,

"It seems quite unlikely that he was

taken to extract very dated secrets from

him."

Now, whenever there's a confusing and

alarming story like this, the worst

thing you can do as a media organization

is broadcast a superficial drive by

report. And that's exactly what NBC just

did in that clip we uh played. If you're

going to suggest that shadowy assassins

are taking out American scientists or

might be, then you can't spend 60

seconds on the topic and then move on.

It's it's too important for that kind of

treatment. Now, to be clear, this is

obviously a story worth pursuing,

looking into. It's also a story that's

extremely easy for media outlets to mess

up. For the most part, they want the

number of dead or missing scientists to

keep increasing because that creates

more drama. And as a result, they're

they're not doing a deep dive into each

one. Instead, they're making you think

that every single case is equally

suspicious, which just isn't true.

There's a lot of distraction going on

here for one reason or another, and it's

drawing attention away from the cases

that deserve a second look. So today

we're going to go one by one through all

of these cases, all the scientists who

have allegedly been killed or who died

under suspicious circumstances. We'll

talk about everyone who was just

mentioned the NBC report and many

others. And uh we'll we'll do our best

to look at it objectively and figure out

if there might be something going on

here. Um so we'll start with Amy

Escridge because on the surface she's

the most disturbing case. Although when

you dig into it, there are a lot of

issues with the narrative uh that that's

circulating around. So Amy Escridge died

in Huntsville, Al Alabama on June 11th,

2022 at the age of 34. The cause of

death was a gunshot to the head, which

was determined to be suicide. Shortly

before her death in 2020, Escridge

claimed that she was preparing to

present major findings on anti-gravity

research, quote unquote, which has

relevance to UFOs and their propulsion

systems. although she needed approval

from NASA. And to this end, Escridge

started a now defunct website called the

Institute for Exotic Science, which she

said would provide a public-f facing

persona to disclose anti-gravity

technology. Escridge was also involved

in her father's company, Holocron

Engineering, which was supposedly

developing a triangle anti-gravity

craft, although they didn't get very

far. um anti-gravity research for the

record is not an established branch of

science and Escridge had no published

papers in any peer-reviewed publication.

Now, it's not to say that peer review is

the most important thing, but it doesn't

it does make it clear that she was not

an established leading US scientist or

anything like that. Uh now, in any

event, according to Escridge, she was on

the verge of a big breakthrough and

somebody wanted to stop her. uh a month

before her death, according to a UFO

investigator named Frank Milbour.

Escridge reportedly sent a text message

to a friend warning that her life was in

danger. And the alleged text read in

part, "If you see any report that I

killed myself, I most definitely did

not. If you see any report that I

overdosed myself, I most definitely did

not. The dominoes are being lined up all

over again."

Obviously, that's a very conspicuous

thing for somebody to write shortly

before they die of a gunshot wound to

the head. On the one hand, it could

indicate exactly what it says, that this

person was being harassed by people who

wanted her dead. On the other hand, you

need context for a text message like

that because it's also possible that

this woman was simply paranoid and

mentally unwell. And to make that

determination, you need context. Uh

David Wilcock, the paranormal content

creator, also repeatedly said that he

wasn't suicidal. And according to

police, he just shot himself on April

20th when they responded to a residence

uh where he was located. So maybe you

could fold that into this uh overall

story or maybe not. So with that in

mind, uh here's a podcast interview

featuring Escridge several years before

her death in which she talks about um

how a suspicious Lexus pulled up near

her apartment complex. She describes the

apartment complex as low income and says

that a high-end blacked out Lexus is in

an unusual site in the parking lot. And

supposedly this Lexus is part of the

larger plan to harass her. And so you

listen to this carefully and assess her

credibility. Watch.

>> Within 2 minutes of me saying, "Hey, we

should walk over there later and take a

picture of the license plate." We were

still standing there at the window

looking at it, talking about it. And a

Eastern European looking mother with a

black beanie dressed all in black in his

50s or 60s walked out of the apartment

directly across from ours holding a

license plate.

And he opened the trunk of the Lexus and

he took out some tools and he changed

the license plate right in front of our

faces.

And then he walked back to his apartment

and he put the old license plate on the

front patio and went inside,

left it outside. And it was literally

like, "Come get the license plate. I

have more. I have more where this came

from. Come get the license plate." And

then after that, the Lexus started

tailing me. And every time I saw the

Lexus, it had a different license plate.

It would be like Alabama plates, a

different state plate. It would be

random dealer plates, none of which were

local, just like cardboard temporary

dealer plates, none of which were any

local dealers. Every time I saw it, it

was different plates. It would follow me

to the gas station to go get beer. I

would go get beer at the gas station and

that Lexus follows me. And even my ex

called an Uber once.

He called an Uber.

The Lexus pulled out from the spot

across the parking lot from our

apartment, drove over to our apartment,

and said, "Hey, I'm your Uber here to

pick you up."

The license matched in the Uber app, but

they didn't have an Uber sticker or a

lift sticker.

You can't you can't drive Uber if you

don't have a Uber sticker. Like over the

past, this has been going on for like I

don't know four or five years. And over

the past 12 12 months, it's been like

escalating, escalating, like more

aggressive, more invasive, digging

through my painted, like digging through

my underwear drawer and sexual threats

over the past like 3 to 6 months. And

now I'm like, I have to publish.

I have to publish because like it's only

going to get worse until I publish.

There's no way out of this. There's no

way out of this up situation until I

publish.

So, the problem here is that um really

what she's saying doesn't make much

sense. I mean, there's no logical reason

why somebody would do any of this. If

she's a threat to somebody because of

her research, it doesn't make much sense

for them to send a Lexus and change its

license plates in front of her or

Moonlight as her Uber driver or break

into her house or look through her

underwear drawer. Um she also doesn't

mention any police report or any

surveillance footage or anything. She's

asking us to take her word for all of

this. And you might say, well, the Lexus

driver is trying to intimidate her so

that she doesn't publish her research.

These people are supposedly sinister

enough that they're capable of murdering

her, and yet they held off for several

years,

hoping they could scare her by changing

some license plates around. But if

that's the case, you have to ask, why

didn't she simply publish her

groundbreaking research online? Why did

she feel the need to wait for NASA or

peer review or anything like that? Why

would these shadowy figures allow her to

talk about their pressure campaign

online for years before they took her

out? These are all important questions

and no major news outlets are remotely

interested in answering them. One of the

things you need to be careful about as

you read stories about these scientists

is that a lot of outlets are extremely

sloppy with details. Uh many of them are

probably using AI to generate their

stories.

Um, for example, as you can see here,

the Daily Mail reported, quote,

"Journalist Michael Shelonburgger

testified before a public hearing on

unidentified anomalous phenomena that

Escridge was murdered by a private

aerospace company in the US because she

was involved in the UAP conversation."

Now, when I read that quote, I did a

double take because Michael Shelonberger

is a serious journalist. We site his

work on the show all the time. And if he

did the research and concluded that

Escridge had been murdered by a private

aerospace company, then I'd be very

inclined to at least take that story

seriously. But if you pull up the actual

testimony, Shelonburgger didn't say

anything like that. The attribution is

just completely wrong. It's just not

right. He didn't say anything about

Escridge or how she was supposedly

murdered. In reality, the claim came

from a retired UK intelligence officer

named Frank Milbour who got in touch

with Escridge before her death. He told

investigators that in his view Escridge

was indeed being harassed. In fact, he

claimed that Escridge had been targeted

with a directed energy weapon uh is what

he said. So, so who is Frank Milbour?

Well, he's also the uh source for the

alleged text message where Escridge says

that she's not suicidal. As it turns

out, he's a British paratrooper veteran

and intel officer who claimed that in

the late 1980s, the British special

forces shot down a nonhuman craft in

Northern England. Melbourne, who, you

know, doesn't have firsthand knowledge

of the shootown, but he claims that he

spoke to an uh MI6 officer named cenamed

John and the UK Air Force crew that

fired on the UFOs, which were supposedly

traveling at hypersonic speed. So,

that's where this all comes from. Uh

this is from the Daily Mail. According

to Milbourne, quote, "John said they

were tasked to secure and retrieve the

craft in the north of England. They were

flown in by helicopter. They established

a uh cordon, a perimeter, and they

approached the craft." He didn't

describe the craft. He just said it was

obvious that it was nonhuman, and it was

obvious that there were occupants who

had fled the scene on foot, or whatever

you call it. He said then it became a

task of tracking down these beings to

try to bring them into custody. Part of

the unit was left protecting the craft.

They would have left maybe six to eight

blooning

the craft and others who uh would have

been on foot quad bikes or 4x4s trying

to track down these entities that

escaped from it with helicopter

supporting. He said after that it was

totally passed over. He said scientists

and technicians came in and it was

completely out of our hands. We were

flown away by helicopter and we knew

nothing after that.

So, we don't get a description of the

UFO. We're only told that the aliens ran

away and that there was a hot pursuit of

some kind involving quad bikes, like

something out of a movie, and then the

whole thing was just dropped. The

government didn't kill Jon to keep him

quiet or anything like that, so he he

just told all his friends. Put simply,

Frank Milbour has a history of making

unverifiable, outlandish,

Hollywood style claims, and now he's

making another one. He's he's saying

that um this woman was hit with a

mysterious energy beam and harassed and

targeted for assassination.

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Now, on the other hand, there are

disappearances that are obviously worth

a deeper investigation. Consider the

case of 29-year-old Joshua Leblanc. As a

NASA scientist who worked on rockets and

nuclear propulsion last summer, he died

in a car accident. And here's how local

news reported on his death at the time.

Watch.

>> Joshua Leblanc grew up in New Iberia,

but he was working in Huntsville at NASA

as an electrical engineer. His family

reported him missing earlier this week.

His car was found Tuesday afternoon 2

hours away from his home with no signs

of him anywhere.

Joshua Leblon was well known in New

Iberia where he graduated from Catholic

High and later attended and graduated

from UL Lafayette. His family tells me

he last communicated with them at 4:32

a.m. Tuesday. They also told me he never

showed up for a job that he loved that

morning as well. What we do know about

his disappearance is this. Alabama

authorities did track his blue Tesla

Model 3. According to the Tesla car

data, it stopped for 4 hours at the

Huntsville International Airport, which

is about 12 minutes from his apartment.

The data shows his car left the airport,

traveled west on Alabama back roads

before crashing in Florence, Alabama.

Tuesday, 2 p.m., the car was discovered

in a body inside, but the body was found

burned beyond recognition, according to

family members. But the case has only

raised more questions. Leblah's phone,

his personal belongings, and even his

dog were all left behind in his

Huntsville apartment. Family members say

the detour and disappearance don't match

anything Joshua had planned for that

day. And now, they believe he may have

been abducted from his home.

Now, by itself, does any of this

reporting prove or even suggest that

LeBlanc was targeted by an intelligence

agency? No, it doesn't. Nor does it make

much sense for someone to use a Tesla to

kill him since Teslas have cameras that

are constantly recording. And while the

family has their concerns, it's also

possible that they're mistaken. But

given the circumstances, you'd think the

authorities would have investigated and

come up with some kind of explanation

for what LeBlanc was doing and why he

would have left his phone behind.

Normally, it's not hard to figure out

these kinds of basic details, but in

this case, none of those details have

been forthcoming. Maybe now that it's

getting more attention, that that will

change. And then there's another case

NBC mentioned, the disappearance of

68-year-old US Air Force uh Major

General William Neil McCasslin. And this

is where the cases are worth paying more

attention to. Now, unlike Escridge, uh

McCassland had an established scientific

career. According to the New York Post,

he served in senior Pentagon ro roles

involving nuclear science, space

research, and defense initiatives. He

also commanded the Air Force Research

Laboratory at New Mexico's Wright

Patterson Air Force Base where wreckage

from the 1947 Roswell crash was

purportedly shipped. Well, the Air Force

has denied that. During his career,

McCasslin also oversaw research at Los

Alamos National Laboratory in New

Mexico, which was famous for its work

developing the first atomic bomb. And

Congressman Eric Berles of Missouri says

that he had contacted McCasslin

concerning his research into UFOs. And

according to the post, quote, "My

hasselin also appears in the Wikileaks

dump of Hillary Clinton campaign manager

John Podesta's emails. Former Blink 182

singer Tom Delange was in frequent

contact with Podesta regarding UFOs and

identified McCasslin as his insider

source on you uh on alien intel. Leaked

calendar notification showed a meeting

scheduled between Podesta, Delange, and

McCasslin on January 24th, 2016.

Now, on February 27th of this year,

Massland, an experienced hiker, left his

home in Albuquerque without his phone or

prescription glasses. All he took with

him apparently was his wallet and his

hiking boots and a 38 revolver.

Now, before leaving at 10:00 a.m., he

spoke to repairmen at his home. His wife

left for a doctor's appointment at 11:00

a.m. 11:10 a.m. to be precise. And by

the time she returned an hour later, he

was missing. Couple hours later, his

wife called 911. Listen,

>> this is April. How may I help you?

>> Hi, April. My name is Susan Wilkerson.

Um, my husband is missing.

>> Okay.

>> And he's It's been about 3 hours and I

have some indication that he must have

planned not to be found. He's left his

phone. He changed his clothes into I

don't know what. I think he's on foot.

All of our cars and bicycles are in the

garage. I left for a doctor's

appointment at about 11:10

and uh he was here at that time

>> at the house and I got back from that at

noon and he was gone. He turned it off

and left it behind which seems kind of

deliberate cuz he's always got his

phone. He has a smartwatch. I don't know

if that's with him or not.

>> Has he ever done this before?

>> Never. nothing even remotely like it.

He's a retired Air Force major general.

He's very responsible, but he's also

facing some medical issues.

>> Do you have any video at your home?

>> No.

>> Has he been diagnosed with any mental um

disorders or anything like that?

Well, we've been seeing a dock for both

physical and mental in terms of anxiety,

short-term memory loss, lack of sleep.

The same doc I went to see today. Other

than saying if his brain and body keep

deteriorating, he didn't want to live

like that. But it seemed to me that was

just a man, I hate how this is going

kind of thing. because I told him, "Yes,

you do. Yes, you do."

>> Okay. We're going to send some deputies

up to talk to you, see if you can search

a little bit and see what's going on.

Okay.

>> Sure.

>> So, he has both mental and physical

issues. He's retired. He's given

indications that he might not want to

continue on with his life. Uh,

tragically, and his his wife believes he

doesn't want to be found, and he left

with a gun. Now, the police dispatched a

helicopter with an infrared scanner to

try to find him, but they said it was

too hot outside for the scanner to be

useful. Quote, "The mountain was just

lit up like a candle." Sheriff said, "We

couldn't differentiate from heat

signatures and the heat from the rocks."

So again, the simplest explanation is

clear. You can easily make the case that

in all likelihood, this elderly man with

mental health problems may have

committed suicide or become

incapacitated while he was on a hike or

attacked by an animal or fallen or any

number of possibilities. There aren't

any indications that he was actively

involved in any high level research or

was on the verge of any kind of

breakthrough at all. What makes this

case interesting is that in a relatively

short period of time, several other

people with connections to national

laboratories basically went missing the

same way. Within around 10 months, they

all disappeared without taking their

cell phones with them. Some of them had

weapons.

So, let's go through those cases.

Starting with 78-year-old Anthony

Chavez, a research and development

engineer who also worked in Los Alamos.

Spent most of his career working on a

dualaxis radiographic hydrodnamic test

facility which is involved in uh nuclear

weapons research.

And Chavez had long retired. He hasn't

been working since 2017. Like McAlin,

Chavez was last seen leaving his home on

foot with his car parked in the

driveway. Unlike Mccasin, Chavez left

behind his wallet. He was reported

missing in May of 2025 and still has not

been located despite an extensive search

for him. And then 3 months after Chavez

disappeared, 48-year-old contractor

Steven Garcia

also went missing. And he disappeared in

pretty much the same way. He was last

seen on August 28th, leaving his home in

Albuquerque at 9:00 a.m. carrying only

his gun, leaving his wallet and his keys

behind. Police said they had some reason

to believe that he may have been a

danger to himself. Watch.

>> This one is chilling to me because as

you said, it echoes Neil McCassen's

disappearance right down to the same.

The same thing, the state of New Mexico.

So Steven Garcia, I mean, he had a top

security clearance at Casey Nese.

>> Is that is that per a source though? A

source said that.

>> This is per a source. Um, yes, per a

source that was close to Garcia. But

look where he worked at KCNC, I mean

they manufacture 80% of non-uclear

components that go into building

military nuclear weapons. And uh I mean

he oversaw tens of millions of dollars

of assets, equipment, some classified,

some not. I mean, we don't know what was

going on in this guy's head, right? The

officials had said that he may have been

a danger to himself. He was seen

carrying a gun. And it sounds crazy, but

between Garcia and General McCasslin, I

have to wonder, and again, I know this

sounds crazy, but it could be an option

here. I mean, is is the government doing

this? Are are they taking out their own

people because of XYZ?

>> Now, the Albuquerque facility of the

Kansas City National Security Campus

manufactures most of the non-uclear

components that are used in weapons. At

the same time, a property custodian uh

isn't the most essential employee in

that facility. So, it's not clear to

anyone why he would be a potential

target for any reason. But again, the

similarity of these disappearances is

striking. And then there's another

disappearance to add to the list. The

case of 53-year-old Melissa Cas who also

worked at Los Alamos.

And uh Melissa Casios was not a a UFO

researcher or a nuclear weapons expert.

She was an administrative assistant.

There's no indication one way or another

that she had access to sensitive

information or research at all. She was

last seen in June of 2025 entering her

car in the afternoon after shopping

downtown. She reportedly dropped lunch

off for her daughter before saying she

was going to uh work from home. Um it's

the last site there you can see.

Investigators have since recovered a

pair of shoes that match the ones that

she was wearing. They've also discovered

that her phone has been uh factory

reset. But based on this information, if

we're being honest, there are about 10

million explanations for why she might

be missing. The most likely explanation,

of course, is that she was attacked by a

criminal who had no idea where she

worked. And when that happens, contrary

to what you might see on television,

it's actually not easy for police to

figure out who did it. I think about the

Nancy the Nancy Guthrie case, which is

still unsolved. If the the FBI can't

find out what happened to Nancy Guthrie,

then the odds are low that anyone's

going to be able to track down a random

administrative assistant. People are

much much less safe than we might like

to think. It's one of the reasons we

have the Second Amendment.

But the fact that we have so many people

all of them affiliated with national

laboratories at one point or another all

disappearing in a relatively short frame

frame of time is obviously worth further

investigation. That said, we do have to

acknowledge that

sometimes people die in strange ways.

Sometimes people kill themselves.

Sometimes sometimes people who say they

aren't suicidal and they're not going to

kill themselves do. In fact, that

happens a lot. Uh sometimes they trip

and fall while they're hiking. And

sometimes these people tend to live near

each other and work in the same kinds of

places. Los Alamos alone employs well

over 10,000 staffers. It's not

unreasonable to think that two or three

of them over the course of more than a

year might become suicidal independent

of one another. Recall that after

January 6th, several Capitol police

officers committed suicide. In fact,

within months of January 6, four

officers killed themselves. The media

tried to link that to January 6 itself.

They were claiming that these all

counted towards that day's death toll, a

death toll that was actually just one

Ashley Babbot. Now, in that case, the

attempt to draw a connection was absurd.

Um, is this another example of that sort

of thing of an erroneous connection

being drawn in order to prop up a media

narrative?

In the case of January 6, the m the

media narrative was uh driven by

politics. of course in this case is it's

driven by if it is if it is just a

narrative is it being driven by ratings

by clicks we don't know yet

but let's keep going because there are

more names to get through and I promised

that we would go through this

objectively and just give you all the

facts so we'll continue to do that and

again some of them are worth a closer

look reports that quote NASA materials

engineer Monica Reza who served as

director of the materials processing

group at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory

also remains missing

after disappearing during a hike in

California in June 2025. Reza is one of

four cases that are linked to Los

Angeles County, including Calteex Carl

Grilmare and uh two other Jet Propulsion

Lab experts, Frank Maywald and Michael

David Hicks. So, let's take these in

turns starting with Resa who

incidentally are not worked on projects

that were overseen by Macassent at at

one point. So, the local Fox affiliate

reports that quote, "Reza disappeared

while hiking with a friend near Mount

Waterman in the in the Angelus National

Forest. According to her companion, they

were roughly 30 feet apart when they

made eye contact. She smiled and waved

to indicate that she was fine. Moments

later, when the friend turned around

again, she had vanished." Now, she

disappeared in June of 2025, and her

body still has not been found despite an

extensive search and recovery effort.

Now, right away, we should be able to

point out the obvious, which is that

it's extremely unlikely that a CIA

assassin snatched her during this hike.

I mean, if you're going to run an

operation like that, it's probably a

good idea to do it when the target is

alone, not right next to their friend.

So, again, the default assumption here

should be that she fell off a ravine or

or, you know, or something like that. I

mean, that's the AAM's razor. That's the

simplest possible explanation. But the

other missing scientists from Los

Angeles County, uh, scientists are a

little harder to explain away. So here

is Carl Gilmare the Caltech scientist.

He was 67 years old specialized in

astrophysics at the infrared processing

and analysis center on campus. That

center also partners with NASA. Grill

Mayor was a renowned scientist who was

famous for his work on dark matter in

galactic structures as well as for

discovering the existence of water on a

distant exoplanet. A few months ago, uh

he was shot to death on his front porch

in Antelope Valley. Watch

>> the Caltech campus is in mourning

tonight after a renowned astrophysicist

was killed during a carjacking.

>> Carl Grillmeer was described as a

brilliant man, a man who helped us

better understand our own planet and the

vast universe that surround us. CBSLA's

Hunter Sards live at Caltech in Pasadena

with the very latest on this story.

Hunter

>> Juan Susie Carl was known here on this

campus for his humor and for his

creativity. Those I spoke to today said

this is not only a huge loss for loved

ones, it's a huge loss for the entire

field of science.

Shock and sadness on the campus of

Caltech as colleagues mourn the loss of

groundbreaking astrophysicist and

astronomer Carl Gilmeer.

>> We are shocked. This was so unexpected.

Carl was full of life. The 67year-old

killed Sunday in the Analopee Valley

spent decades devoted to understanding

the galaxies, studying the Milky Way,

and making groundbreaking discoveries,

helping scientists better understand our

planet. According to the Los Angeles

Sheriff's Department, they responded

early Monday morning to a shooting in

the town of Lo, southeast of Palmdale.

They say around the same time, reports

of a carjacking eventually led them to

the suspect accused of shooting

Grommyer, who was quickly arrested and

charged with murder and carjacking.

>> Now, the suspect who allegedly shot the

scientist before apparently carjacking

someone has been identified as

29-year-old Freddy Snider. Good luck

finding a picture of him. For some

reason, the authorities haven't released

one. I certainly couldn't find it. Uh if

they did release one, it's hard to find.

According to local reports, Snyder had

been arrested several months earlier for

trespassing on Gilmare's property while

armed with a rifle. And there's still no

official motive. But hearing these

facts, it's hard not to think of the

murder of MIT professor uh Nuno FG

Laurero in front of his home in a Boston

suburb.

As you as you probably remember, a

gunman shot the professor after killing

two students at Brown University. In

that case, it was pretty clear that the

killer was upset that his career was a

failure. and he blamed Brown while also

harboring jealousy for the professor's

success. At the same time, the Brown

shooter did kill himself. So, we don't

have a definitive understanding of his

motive either. And some of these lists

mention Michael David Hicks, who died in

July of 2023. I've seen his name come up

at NewsNation, New York Post, Newsweek,

and other outlets. He was a veteran

researcher at the Jet Propulsion

Laboratory for more than two decades.

There's no indication of how he died

exactly, so uh there's not much to go

on. no cause of death has been released.

For all we know, he might have been hit

by a car or died of a heart attack. A

lot of outlets are adding his name and

picture to other lists of missing or

dead scientists, which tells you

something that a lot of them are trying

to pad the statistics a bit. They're

trying to sell a narrative

that may not be entirely true. And

they're not and many of these outlets

don't really care if it's true or not

because they want the narrative. They

just want the clicks. This is this is

one this is one aspect of the story.

It's why it's worth looking into is the

total breakdown in trust. We can't trust

the news outlets.

You know, we know that we can't trust

who can we trust. Um and so when

something like this happens, it's it's

not clear what the actual facts are and

that's why we're trying to lay them out.

Now, the magazine um Unheard ran its own

deep dive recently into several of these

missing scientists. And while they're

more skeptical about the narrative even

than I am, they did include this

paragraph on the origins of the story,

which is pretty interesting, it's always

important to try to figure out when

everyone's talking about particular

topic where it began exactly. And here's

what they came up with. Quote, "Where

did this narrative even come from?" The

earliest article on this topic is dated

March 22nd, was published in Daily Mail.

It notes five missing scientists. Two

days later, a website called The Liberty

Line added another name, expanding the

list to six. According to its exac

account, the website specializes in

Philadelphia sports and whatever else

comes to mind. Right-wing media and

influencers kept adding names until we

reached Escridge with old cases treated

as breaking news. And finally, the story

made its way to Fox News and the White

House briefing room.

Now, what's frustrating about this is

that indeed there are several

disappearances and deaths that are worth

further investigation.

I don't think any reasonable person can

deny that. We simply don't have many

details about deaths that are obviously

suspicious and that involve very high

level scientists, including retired

scientists. But by the same token, no

reasonable person can deny that the

tabloids and even some major media

outlets that function as tabloids are

mainly interested in turning this whole

story into a circus. They're adding

names to the list that obviously don't

belong just so they can create paranoia

and drive clicks. And in the process,

they're distracting from some actual

investigations that need to happen,

particularly investigations into

Leblanc, McCastlin, Chavez, Garcia, and

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Yesterday we talked at some length about

false flag uh the false flag operation

that took place in Charlottesville at

the Unite the Right rally during Trump's

first term. It was well funded,

wellorganized, highly effective. Whole

thing was engineered to give Democrats a

pretext to suspend civil liberties,

which they did. We might choose to

believe that these kinds of operations

don't take place on American soil, but

they do all the time.

At the same time, you'd have to be

willfully blind to think that

intelligence agencies, including

potentially our own, wouldn't want to

make certain people disappear, or at the

very least, they might lie about what

happened to those people. Just the other

day, for example, we were told that two

CIA officers died in a tragic and very

strange car crash in Mexico. Watch.

This is what Mexican authorities say was

a massive drug lab hidden in the woods.

You can see rows of canisters, bags, and

ovens. A rare look inside a secret meth

lab in northern Mexico. But tonight,

what happened after the law enforcement

operation is raising questions about US

involvement in the crackdown. A source

with knowledge of the matter tells NBC

News two CIA officers along with two

Mexican officials died following the

operation this weekend in a car

accident. Mexico's president Claudia

Shanebomb is promising a thorough

investigation.

So, this is like the line from Mission

Impossible about how the US government

will disavow all knowledge if you're

caught or killed. Everyone knows those

CIA agents did not die in a car crash.

But that's the cover story the US

government is going with. And again, it

happens all the time. And for that

reason, we simply cannot be satisfied

with the information we have so far

about these missing or dead scientists.

We don't know what's going on. I would I

it would be nice if I could end this

monologue by saying, "Well, I've gotten

to the bottom of it. Here's what's

really happening." That would make for a

that would make for a better title.

Anyway, gotten to the bottom of this

story. I haven't gotten to the bottom of

it. I don't know. That's my conclusion.

Um and I'll be honest with you that we

need an independent investigation, one

that's not conducted exclusively by the

government into each of those deaths

that I mentioned. Put all the facts out

there. Let us debate the merits of every

single case. Without transparency,

bodies keep piling up. Theories

multiply.

Tabloid articles spiral out of control.

Most of them will be way off the mark.

And in that environment, when an

intelligence agency does take out one of

its targets, no one, even the most

discerning observer, will have any way

of knowing.

That'll do it for the show today. Thanks

for watching. Thanks for listening. Talk

to you on Monday. Have a great weekend.

Godspeed.

>> I do believe that if people have

committed treason against the United

States of America, their statues should

not be in the capital.

>> History is written by the victors. And

since the 1960s, we've been told, mostly

by people whose ancestors didn't even

live here during the war, that the South

committed treason.

But if the Confederates were traitors,

then why was Jefferson Davis never put

on trial for treason?

What were Abraham Lincoln and Andrew

Johnson afraid?

Do they know something they're not

allowed to say today?

It's time for the truth. So, here it is.

Roberty Lee was a military genius and a

man of immense honor. He was beloved by

Americans from the North and South for a

century after the war. This is the real

history of the Civil War.